When upon returning from a vacation to visit my wife’s family in the Far East a friend of mine asked me what I saw in Hong Kong. I replied, “A shit load of Chinese people”, and assumed the matter was settled.
However, that friend then clarified that he was referring to what I witnessed about government and society from a libertarian perspective. Unfortunately for you, dear reader, that answer is much longer, and not nearly as pithy.
Economics 101
Ask any educated person about the economy of Hong Kong, and one of the things they are likely to bring up is the fabled commitment to laissez-faire capitalism, with a minimal social safety net. Your gallant author first encountered this when exchanging money at the airport. The HK notes came from multiple different banks. The Hong Kong Monetary Authority has a legal arrangement with three different banks to issue their own notes, all of which are accepted as legal tender for government purposes. The HKMA also prints its own notes, which help to keep the system balanced. Banks are leery of overprinting in part due to their contract with the HKMA, and in part because if they were to do so, the government-issued currency might begin to drive their own out of circulation.
Both personal and corporate income taxes are exceptionally low, and there is no automatic withholding.
Interestingly, I saw very few police officers. There mostly seemed to be private security everywhere. There were entire days with not a single cop to be found. The ones I did see were mostly on motorcycles, or driving large Mercedes paddy-wagons.
The permitting process for businesses also appears remarkably cavalier, from an American perspective. Across the street from the apartment we stayed in, what was an empty storefront turned into, by the time we left, an open and fully functional retail store. I mentioned this to our host, and asked him about the process he went through when opening his own business. He replied that the entire effort amounts to one afternoon of paperwork, which took him about four hours to complete. Essentially, the government wants to know, 1) who you are, 2) what you’re selling, 3) who your co-owners and investors are, and 4) where to find you in case someone files a claim or complaint of some sort. Safety inspections and permitting of the sort we as Americans are used to is largely handled through the landlord-tenant contractual relationship. Please note that there are a bevy of laws governing worker safety, permissible employment conditions, etc., it’s just that the government seems more interested in investigating breeches of these laws and awarding compensation/assessing penalties after a violation has occurred, and less interested in preemptive inspections and permitting.
Landlords have a great deal of both responsibility and power due to the hands-off nature of local government, and the extreme lack of space. The latter ensures that prices remain high for their room, and the former means a lack of heaving zoning regulation. While I did notice some areas being more industrial than others, by and large there doesn’t appear to be much top-down instruction on what can be built where. Apartment blocks and stores are not only side-by-side everywhere, but are usually found in the same building. Many of the blocks had stores ranging from small general shops and restaurants to full-sized supermarkets taking up their bottom few stories.
Libertarian Problems
More worryingly from a libertarian perspective, is the government’s attempt to mitigate the land shortage with massive housing subsidies. I was told by our host that half of the apartment dwellers in Hong Kong have to get some sort of subsidy from the government to afford their apartments. This seems to be the largest government intervention in the marketplace.
There is a minimum wage law, but it was passed for the first time in 2010, and remains relatively low, at the rough equivalent of $4.19 USD/hr.
Taxis are heavily regulated. The color of the taxi determines which part of the city and region it is allowed to operate in. My trip was in 2012, and so predated widespread use of ride-sharing platforms. I would be interested to see how that has changed the landscape. Despite the odd geographic restrictions, the taxies were all extremely cheap by American standards.
There are increasingly strident pollution controls. This is another item that I asked about specifically, and was informed that up through the 80s, pollution was getting out of hand, and they began to pass laws on emissions and dumping waste into the bay. Our host seemed pleased about it, and told me that the city is a much better place to live now that there is not nearly as much smog and the water isn’t full of trash.
They also have a combination public/private health care system. Individuals largely purchase catastrophic insurance, and use cash for most smaller medical purchases. There are several designated hospitals heavily subsidized by the government who take in and treat the public for a minimal, token payment.
Drugs are still strictly illegal, and cigarettes have half their pack taken up with big health warnings and pictures of lung cancer. On the upside, you can walk down the street drinking beer, and as long as you aren’t drunk, it isn’t an issue. I was flabbergasted to find this out, because I hadn’t seen anyone doing it, and immediately purchased a beer so I could walk around drinking it. People still looked at me askance, as apparently it’s considered somewhat uncouth to drink in outside like that, instead of keeping it in the bar.
All in all, I was greatly concerned to hear that even a government and populace that embrace the minarchist concept could not bring themselves to embrace a free market in medical care or housing, still viewing both as “essential services” that must be provided to people whether they can afford it or not, and that no free market solution was found to the pollution issue.
In Closing…
While there are many fun stories, your intrepid author will leave you with two amusing anecdotes.
First, there are, at my best guess, one hundred billion 7-11s and Circle Ks in Hong Kong. Really, you can’t throw a rock without hitting at least two of them. They seem to not compete with themselves due to population density. However, everyone refers to the Circle K as the “O-K store”. I tried telling a few people that it is actually Circle K, but most don’t know the word “circle”, however they do recognize “OK” in English.
Finally, their beer is awful. It’s nothing but an endless procession of weak light lagers and pilsners. While in the 7-11 at the base of my apartment block, I was scanning the beer cooler when suddenly I saw a type of Guinness that I had never seen before, called Foreign Extra Stout. My face lit up, and when I turned to take the beer to the cashier, I noticed her sniggering. I knew already that this cashier spoke fairly good English, so I asked her why she had laughed at me. She explained that she was just watching my head scanning the rows of beer, waiting for me to find that one, which she knew I would purchase. Apparently the Chinaman has an inveterate hatred of bold flavors and dark beers, and won’t touch the Guinness, but they keep one stack of them for the white people who come in. I told her I was proud to live up to this particular stereotype!
All those words, when you could have just shown the slides from your vacation!
I’ll make another post just about the funny/weird shit that happened, particularly in the combined hotel/club we stayed at in mainland China.
Your video isn’t as far off as one may think.
Now why did I think that was going to be Jackie Chan….
A nice article, Thunder Lizard!
If you got in a taxi in one area to go to another area, did you have to change taxis at the regional boundary?
Good question. No, I believe the color coding applies to where they are allowed to pick people up.
Needs moar waifu.
Well, that didn’t fucking work.
Just use your imagination.
Sez you…worked just fine for me!
I think someone adorable probably fixed it for me.
3D is pig disgusting.
2D is love. 2D is life.
Oh thank god this is two hours. I only need to stop masturbating to click “replay” twice before I finish.
Box of Wheaties in the cupboard. Never mind. I’ll make you a fried egg.
I could go for a fried duck egg and a side of kimchi right now!
I went to Hong Kong for work in 2014 and made many similar observations. A few things of particular note (to me) that Gojira didn’t mention.
I feel like kind of a dick when I say, this part, but it was kind of the main thing for the first few days every time I went outside. The place stinks. Sort of like rotting garbage, but not exactly. And most of the food had some weird aftertaste that haunted me for weeks after the trip. Someone told me that the odor might have been the stinky tofu that is apparently a popular street food.
Now this interesting parts. I was very impressed with the bamboo scaffolding they use. For pretty much everything, even big skyscrapers.
The mix of uses is pretty interesting. I was in Hong Kong proper, staying at a fairly nice hotel. If you went one block in one direction, there was a street full of plumbing fixture stores. In another was what seemed best described as “whore street”. Or old women recycling cardboard. Two blocks and you were in a fancy shopping area, crammed full of people.
I was working at a tradeshow/convention thing at the convention center. Unlike most such places in the US, there were no union dicks not allowing you to move your own stuff. And the people working there for the setup and takedown had these awesome and hilarious ladders that they could walk around while straddling the top. Seemed safe enough, but I can’t imagine OSHA approving of that.
Unfortunately, I was horrendously jet-lagged and didn’t get to do as much as I’d hoped. I finally made it to the higher parts of the island on the last day there and immediately felt better getting above the heat, humidity and smell a bit. One of the more striking things to me about Hong Kong is how, although it’s one of the densest cities in the world, most of the land is actually mountainous park land.
I’d like to go back sometime. But maybe in the winter. And definitely not for less than a week on a non-stop flight.
Hong Kong was awesome…I had a capitalist boner the whole time.
Banks are leery of overprinting in part due to their contract with the HKMA, and in part because if they were to do so, the government-issued currency might begin to drive their own out of circulation.
Do you have any literature or links to share on this? Or is this derived exclusively from innuendo / interpersonal communication? I would like to read about it. My understanding (from the Monetary Authority’s own site) The only HKMA-produced currency in bank note form you can get is the HK$10 denomination; I’ve never seen a larger bank note generated by any entity other than the 3 chartered issuing banks.
Both personal and corporate income taxes are exceptionally low, and there is no automatic withholding.
For most established, long-term employees, there is in fact a withholding scheme called the MPF. Under force of law, the employer and employee are expected to match a compulsory contribution of salaries. Further reading. MPF in some ways is a large gift to the financial sector, since it is essentially compulsory. That being said, if you are a payor into MPF and are able to clearly demonstrate that you have set up domicile and made your future “permanent” life outside of Hong Kong, you can have your wittheld MPF funds remitted back to you, giving it a bit of a stench of being “your money” as strange as that concept may be. At this point, the MPF isn’t a complete shit sandwich like the US Social Security “trust fund” scheme, and I would take it over the Social Security scheme in a New York minute.
Interestingly, I saw very few police officers. There mostly seemed to be private security everywhere. There were entire days with not a single cop to be found.
I guess from my point of view, it really depends on your experience and happenstance. Like you, I’ve had experiences where there were no cops, and it may depend on what district you inhabit and/or the time of the day. I’m by no means a regular visitor to NYC, but anecdotally I don’t recall seeing any beat cops whatsoever. Last November in HK, I did see more beat cops in the Wong Tai Sin district where I spent most of my time. Hong Kong police have very stable and prestegious jobs, and always need to conform to a basic physical fitness test. As far as I can tell, there are no waivers for fat fucks or too-short people.
Landlords have a great deal of both responsibility and power due to the hands-off nature of local government, and the extreme lack of space. The latter ensures that prices remain high for their room, and the former means a lack of heaving zoning regulation.
Anecdotally, it’s also worth mentioning that due to the cartelised nature of property holdings owners – the city is substantially run at the behest of property monopolists, there is a not uncommon situation of a lessor requiring the tenant to furnish their books/ profit & loss sheets to the tenant. Watch out boutique owners, if you have a business model that latches and becomes profitable, don’t be surprised if your next lease renewal offsets some of your expected profits. Oops!
Also, it’s my understanding that it’s illegal to inhabit most commercial/industrial buildings in a residential manner due to ostensible safety concerns, but crackdowns are rare. I am personally supportive of looking the other way and think it is necessary, since there is a real housing shortage. The property developers do not open up affordable housing very willingly due to the price premium of land itself – just check out the obscene cost to acquire a virtual rabbit hutch. Due to the land shortage, the solution to create more domiciles involves building more “up” than outward sprawl. Consequently, it is extremely difficult to allocate new land for developments, sometimes involves land reclamation, and the property developers are extremely influential on the allocation choices.
More worryingly from a libertarian perspective, is the government’s attempt to mitigate the land shortage with massive housing subsidies. I was told by our host that half of the apartment dwellers in Hong Kong have to get some sort of subsidy from the government to afford their apartments. This seems to be the largest government intervention in the marketplace.
There’s more to it than subsidy. Many of the housing estates are completely public, and there is definitely a housing shortage (not just in terms of the public, public-private Home Ownership Scheme, and purely private housing estates.) Arguably the public housing scheme has greatly benefitted the poor, and helped them raise their standard of living. Never the less, there’s still a pervasive elitist stigma in some circles, of being looked down upon if a person has been raised by a family domiciled in a public housing flat. Some regard flat ownership in purely private housing estates to be sort of the pinnacle of social status, even though the effective square footage per dollar is low due to various quasi-fraudulent property developer presentation schemes (i.e. the advertisement of unusable square footage and some common area spaces are presented as usable flat square footage).
There is a minimum wage law, but it was passed for the first time in 2010, and remains relatively low, at the rough equivalent of $4.19 USD/hr.
While it was controversial at the time, I view the minimum wage law more cynically as a political gesture to shut up the proles. I also don’t think the minimum wage was a necessary measure, and as is always sort of a temporary measure that gets buried by all broad manner of economic factors.
They also have a combination public/private health care system. Individuals largely purchase catastrophic insurance, and use cash for most smaller medical purchases. There are several designated hospitals heavily subsidized by the government who take in and treat the public for a minimal, token payment.
The public hospitals are becoming increasingly under strain for a variety of reasons – the “anchor baby” pregnant mainlander tourist is an actual ongoing problem, as well as a scapegoat of sorts. Presently, the public hospital system is coping with a flight of talent; many doctors prefer to leave for a private hospital or their own specialty/GP clinic as soon as possible. My point of view is that the public hospital scheme is a practical way to deal with the health needs of the poor in the way of more pressing conventional injuries (broken bones, lacerations, etc.) and sudden illnesses. The queue system for something like tumors and diagnosis of long-term illnesses, and if you can scrape up the money for a private MRI for more immediate results, most people do that. Or you can say fuggit and just pay a quack Chinese herbal medicine “doctor” to stick needles in you, irradiate you with a desk lamp, and tell you to drink a bittersweet broth of herbs that hasn’t endured double blind trials. The Chinese herbal doctors are way cheaper. 🙂
Drugs are still strictly illegal,
It is worth noting that the penalties are much lower than many places like the US. Even if you are caught growing cannabis, the criminal sanctions you face there aren’t really a BFD by comparison with other places. Simple possession is much less likely to become a major problem or life-ruining event. Street drugs are plentiful and pervasive. Just say the simple word “hashish” to one of the south-Asian tailors on Nathan Road, and you’ll have a cheap egg of it within minutes. Full disclosure: hash isn’t my bag, I’ve just witnessed friends make transactions on a few ocassions.
All in all, I was greatly concerned to hear that even a government and populace that embrace the minarchist concept could not bring themselves to embrace a free market in medical care or housing, still viewing both as “essential services” that must be provided to people whether they can afford it or not, and that no free market solution was found to the pollution issue.
My point of view is that anyone with the means will get their high quality immediate medical care at a private clinic, at a price point that is far more attractive than the US for example. If you want results, you buy your way into the private funnel and you will be in good shape. If you are a destitute individual, or are a street/toilet cleaner, it’s entirely possible that you would be utterly fucked without the presence crowded, noisy, slow public hospital choice. I classify their public hospital scheme sort of as a “last thing to get rid of” along with the public housing subsidy. Food and living expense subsidy, when available, are barely a blip on the radar.
Hookay, so I guess I didn’t get the memo that italic hypertext tags don’t function.
Use “em” instead of “i” in your tag.
Thank you! And just to confirm: no way to edit a post?
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A lot of Hong Kong…ians(?) live out in the harbor on their boats, right?
Did you notice any criminal activity (thefts, assaults, etc.)
A lot of Hong Kong…ians(?) live out in the harbor on their boats, right?
The only estimates I have seen put them number of Hong Kongers living on boats in the low thousands. When all is said and done, “boat people” aren’t really much of a fixture/presence anymore.
Did you notice any criminal activity (thefts, assaults, etc.)
I’ve only lived there a total of about 6 months out of the last 8 years, and the most I have seen is the occasional drunken altercation late at night. HK has a pretty low violent crime rate, and the murder rate is extremely low. Criminal triads running protection rackets/shakedowns on business owners and minibus operators is sort of conventional knowledge. Sometimes, like any other place, errant psychopaths will do their thing.