Part 3: Taking the Reins
A Mann with a Plan
Through the mid-19th century, a group of educational reformers led by Horace Mann became interested in the Prussian model of education. The Prussians had slowly evolved away from the religious teaching proposed by Luther in the 16th century and had embraced a system tailored to individual students. The contemporary Prussian system was largely secular, and de-emphasized religious learning in favor of secular skills such as mathematics and drafting.
Horace Mann, the father of the public school, worked to secularize the public schools established in Massachusetts. He preferred that children be taught in a soft manner by female teachers, and without corporal punishment. Replacing catechisms with books of nature, geography, and government, Mann wanted children to be exposed to an education that was like “the warming sun and the refreshing rain.” In his eyes, the schools were to “purify the [teaching] environment” and “purge it from alienating influences.” This softer, more generic system in the mold of the Prussian system aimed to expose children to the love of learning rather than the rote memorization and recitation characteristic of the religious schools of the time. Mann believed that learning and literacy should engage the imagination, and allow for open minds, but the existing structures of learning were not amenable to either.
Bible Wars and Misdemeanors
With Mann’s growing public school system and a competing Catholic parochial system, a tension was created between the nativist Protestant elites, who were supporting these growing public schools across the nation, and the immigrant Catholic peasants, who were being supported by the Catholic Church’s parochial schools. The 1869 Cincinnati Bible Wars were endemic of the tension between the entrenched Protestant majority and the growing Catholic presence in urban areas. The Cincinnati Bible Wars started as a proposal from F. W. Rauch, a Catholic member of the Cincinnati School Board, to combine the public schools with the Catholic parochial schools in Cincinnati. An alternative proposal prohibited the reading of religious books, including the Bible in Cincinnati public schools. This proposal passed the School Board on a divided vote, and ignited a three-year court battle between the Catholics and the Protestants as to whether the King James Bible was sectarian or not. As the court battle was concluding in 1870 (in favor of the Bible being taught in school), the New York Times and Harper’s Weekly expressed the Protestant populist opinion that the Catholics were holding religious study ransom in order to dip their hands into the “public education” coffers.
In 1875, the tension boiled over when Congressman James G. Blaine proposed what would be known as the Blaine Amendment. This Constitutional amendment would have halted any public funding, lands, or other assistance from going to Catholic parochial schools, and would force the Bible to be taught in the Protestant public schools. There had been quite the buildup to this proposal, including President Grant speaking about the need for education in a representative form of government so that the tyrant of “priestcraft” could not control them. Blaine feared that the growing parochial schools would lead to the abolishment of the “non-sectarian public school,” which would breed ignorance. This seems odd when viewed from the secularized modern day, but at the time, Catholic schools were seen to be an encroaching sectarian force, breeding intolerance and bigotry. Generic Protestantism was seen as nonsectarian. Senator Morill wrote that schools were “all but universal now, and tending to become more and more so, are likely to leaven the whole lump and [make] national unity not only possible, but probable . . . Religion will tend to mold together the great majority of our people, as it is distinctively Protestant.” No statement better summed up the view of the Protestant elites than that.
When the Blaine Amendment failed to pass the Senate, these crusaders couldn’t just quit, they had to continue! Catholics and Protestants were continuously clashing about schooling, to the point of Teddy Roosevelt’s proclamation in 1893 that “[w]e have the right to demand that every man, native born or foreign born, shall in American public life act merely as an American” (a clear shot across the Catholic immigrants’ bow), and Woodrow Wilson saying “our problem is not merely to help the students to adjust themselves to world life . . . [but] to make them as unlike their fathers as we can.”
There was a full blown populist push from the nativist Protestants, especially the Social Darwinist Progressives, to Americanize and Protestantize the Catholic peasants, and the best way to do it was a one-two punch of compelling attendance at public school and providing a Protestant education at those public schools. One of the best examples of the compulsory education laws passed during this era was passed in Oregon in 1922. This law would be challenged in 1925 in Pierce v. Society of Sisters. The Act “requires every parent, guardian, or other person having control or charge or custody of a child between 8 and 16 years to send him ‘to a public school for the period of time a public school shall be held during the current year’ in the district where the child resides; and failure so to do is declared a misdemeanor.”
While this specific law may have been struck down, more generic compulsory education laws thrived through the late 19th and early 20th centuries. The State had taken control of education, and children would be getting a generic Protestant education steeped in American Protestant morals and ethics. Those who had the power to effectively object, like Alfred Roncovieri, were simply swept out of the way in the push to Americanize and Protestantize the immigrant Catholics. While a disdain for Catholics was not the only motivation behind compulsory education, it was certainly a driving force for much of the upheaval around education at the turn of the 20th century. In the words of Richard Niece, “The original purposes for compulsory education were three-fold: (1) to teach the skills essential to exist within and contribute to an industrialized nation . . . (2) to instill the youth with social skills and moral values; and (3) to Americanize the children of immigrants who had settled in this country. This third purpose seems, in retrospect, to have been the most sacred to the early proponents of compulsory education.”
The first and only time in history the Prussian model of anything was considered “softer”.
You know who else wanted to adopt Prussian institutions in his/her fatherland?
Heidi Klum?
Adolphus Busch?
Frederick Usinger?
Hohenzollerns?
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Upper Merion Township, PA?
*opera applause*
Peter III of Russia?
George Washington?
That stood out for me too, because my understanding is that the rigid organization of the schools (set schedules, desks in orderly rows, utter deference to the teacher) is the “Prussian” aspect, the purpose of which is to prepare students to be good factory workers, or good soldiers, i.e. good little cogs in the machine.
A common misconception…actually the Prussians were known as the first hippies, they were total flower children who pretended to be aggressive and militaristic to scare people off.
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+1 Old Fritz
Trashman, if you read this, would you mind addressing it? I have the same question. This sort of “drive by” history lesson approach has been enjoyable thus far.
Two things: First, I think the Prussian model was seen as more compassionate because it segmented children by age, letting the younger children come up to speed at their own pace, rather than the “one room schoolhouse” method of having all the children in the same room.
Second, the shift from rote memorization and recitation (readin, ritin, rithmetic) to more holistic learning (art, music, home ec) softened the school experience.
In essence, Mann had a vision of professional teachers, motherly types who help kids embrace their innate love of learning, rather than a stern authority figure like a nun or a father. IMO, Mann saw discipline and softness as complementary, not mutually exclusive.
I’ve been waiting for this quote to show up, since it sums up the progressive view of education nicely:
“In our dream we have limitless resources, and the people yield themselves with perfect docility to our molding hand. The present educational conventions fade from our minds; and, unhampered by tradition, we work our own good will upon a grateful and responsive rural folk. We shall not try to make these people or any of their children into philosophers or men of learning or of science. We are not to raise up among them authors, orators, poets, or men of letters. We shall not search for embryo great artists, painters, musicians. Nor will we cherish even the humbler ambition to raise up from among them lawyers, doctors, preachers, statesmen, of whom we now have ample supply.”
– Rev. Frederick T. Gates, Business Advisor to John D. Rockefeller Sr., 1913
“We want to be in charge of sheep.”
What noble intentions.
Ralph Wolf and Sam Sheepdog have a sad.
So if I’m reading this right, the Protestants believed that Catholic schools were religious, but Protestant teachings in school were secular?
More that the Catholics were primitive knuckle-draggers who taught their children to be irresponsible, sinning foot soldiers of the pope, while protestantism elevated people spiritually and intellectually to be more godlike and better citizens. I got this attitude first hand from my New England protestant relations when I converted to Catholicism in my 20’s.
I would be curious to compare Catholic school teachings and methods from the late 19th century with those of present day.
Needz moar rulerz across the knuckles?
I think current Catholic education has moved on from just enough learnin’ to go through the Catechism(?)
More priests, more paddlings.
WHATEVER YOU DO, IF YOU ARE AT WORK, DO NOT GOOGLE CATHOLIC SCHOOL PADDLING WITH SAFE SEARCH TURNED OFF!!!!
I got my son certified in SCUBA when he was ten, the youngest they would allow.
On our first real dive trip we were to meet up with some other divers. He was a little nervous about being around older, more experienced divers. On the drive there I assured him it was a good bunch of people and he would like them, but I gave him one warning as we drove into the parking lot of the meeting place:
“Whatever you do try not to laugh or stare at Tony’s (STEVE SMITH lookalike) Unibrow”
My son sat there staring straight ahead and then a smirk began to spread across his face slowly. Half laughing he muttered “Goddammit Dad”.
+1 plaid skirt
Well, that stops 50,000,000 hits on Japanese sites…
I got my son certified in SCUBA when he was ten, the youngest they would allow.
Leni Riefenstahl had to lie and say she was only 50 when she learned SCUBA; in fact she was 70.
So, tarran, are you saying it was a triumph of willpower?
Crap. Ted not Tarran. Derp.
I believe the distinction is not that they believed Protestantism was secular, but that it was not sectarian. In other words, this is a predominantly Protestant country, so things which accord with that are fine, but anything which might cut against that gain is Not Okay. Catholics cause schisms in our society because they aren’t like us.
And how much that’s changed depends on if you consider Progressivism a religion.
Incidentally, I have a question…
How did you restrain yourself from stabbing Ernie repeatedly with paperclips from your paperclip and then dumping his bloody semi-conscious body into one of your pigeon coops so that they could finish the job that time he ate cookies in your bed?
Poor Bert. He was never the same after he came back from ‘Nam.
Damn. There was supposed to be a picthere.
*Standing ovation*
I thought it was in Korea he got all messed up. I heard that’s where he started brainwashing Lee HArvey Oswald to kill Kennedy.
The remarkable thing is that public schools still to this day continue to be used to promote the religious doctrines of those who are in control of the state. In MA in the late 1700’s it was their flavor of protestant congregationalism. Today it’s the primitive animistic religion of the greens. And tomorrow, it will be another religion – maybe transhumanism or snake-handling. Who knows?
What’s “diversity”, chopped liver?
maybe transhumanism
I read that as trshmnsterism and wondered if this series was leading up to something.
Great series. Please think about continuing the discussion beyond part 4.
HELLO. I AM HERE.
With an appropriate avatar, no less. Color me impressed.
I don’t see a cert, how can we be sure it’s him?
*Bends over, unzips pants*
GAH! It’s him! It’s him!
I’d post the scene from Half Baked where he has to show them his ass to prove his identity, but I can’t link it from here.
+1 Black-ass
I assed you a question…how’s it going?
I don’t get it. The peach is clearly libertarian, but what does it have to do with tax preparation?
Somewhat tangential, but this blogger has some revealing information on the relationship (or lack thereof) between spending and results in the Connecticut schools.
http://manhattancontrarian.com/blog/2017/2/10/connecticut-in-the-grip-of-the-school-funding-fallacy
I like that blog.
IIRC the Montessori schools started about the turn of the century. I’m curious as to how they fit into this tangled web of competing ideologies and religions.
Montessori schools were pretty much hated by everybody – since they were from the get go aimed at the very poor whose children were thought to be not worthy of being taught.
For those who are unfamiliar with her system, she observed that children did most of their learning via play, and she tried to develop an educational approach that took advantage of this.
In the modern system, they have identified different types of skills and the sequence with which childre acquire them (eg. oral language development, motor control, reading etc). And they have developed materials that encourage the sort of play to teach particular skills. The children essentially are given toys/tasks that are intended to take them to the next level of development in these areas. And the classrooms have multiple age groups within them so that the older kids teach the younger ones.
It was intended to be cheap, accessible to the poor and downtrodden, and to develop free thinkers. Thus it is reviled by educational professionals who want children to be dependent and inculcated with whatever orthodoxy the professionals are loyal to.
I have some experience with the modern incarnation. At least with this particular school, it left a sour taste in my mouth, although I can see the attraction of the method.
My son, Aspie type, was lost in the environment. His lack of focus, or rather his inability to ignore distractions, prevented him from getting the most out of it. The school was not accommodating in the least, as their method was “obviously” the best method and my wife and I were pretty much unenlightened heathen. I found them to be as inflexible as the other choices, just in their own way.
The American Montessori systems (there are 2 IIRC) are pretty dogmatic. Back before she really fell apart, my ex worked at a pretty famous Montessori school here in MA, and we sent our kids there. My daughter did really well. My son, OTOH, hated it and didn’t do very well. Part of the problem was that for two years, he had terrible teachers. The head teacher was a Hindu woman who fucking adored dogmatic and rigid teaching sequences who essentially stopped teaching my son math since he had gotten halfway through his current levels’ worksheets and then gone on strike because he was bored. Her partner was a burned out hippie who seemed to live in a permanent haze. I suspect they put our son in that class because, unlike the paying customers, we were less likely to move are kids out of the school.
My ex was trying to get her certification in one of the systems, and I found the degree of rigidity pretty remarkable. Each teacher had to demonstrate they were using every material in precisely the correct way.
I had a falling out with the administration at this school over a kid who was beating on the other kids (mind you, this was in pre-K). Normally, I would let kids sort it out, but I knew one little girl had gotten a black eye from him and the school had lied to the parents about it. Once they found out I knew, they couldn’t get rid of me or my kid fast enough. Still told the girl’s parents about it.
There’s also the less popular (but gaining traction I think) Reggio Emilia way:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reggio_Emilia_approach
Maria Montessori was Italian, and started her method with retarded children, then applied it to all children. She was probably Catholic, although I don’t remember ever reading it mattering. She believed in scientific pedagogery, although I’m personally unclear on how she defined that other than observing and refining her method to be successful for students.
Should be in reply to Scruffy. Goddamit. I have unlimited power, and I can’t fix my threading mistake.
It was a perfect P. Brooksian reply.
so, like progressives, only with a hairier upper-lip
“Maria Montessori was Italian, and started her method with retarded children”
She started with progressive children? Who knew?
I have it on good authority she would shove a retarded kid’s face between her tits whenever they messed up – or did good. I forget.
I believe in Parliament of Whores, P.J. O’Rourke noted that for his town, the cost of schools could have been used to hire at least MA level academics for each 2-3 students, once you took the buildings, admin and such out.
So… like Somalia?
The numbers are staggering. See my link above. Hartford CT spends just under $20k/student/year. So a typical class of , say, 20 students costs $400,000 a year. Just imagine if you gave that group of parents $400,000 each year to educate their group of kids. You could pay for a teacher AND buy a building in year 1. Years 2 through 12, you pay the teacher, maintain the building and bank the remaining, what, $250k ? You’d have close to $3 million dollars in the bank, to hand each kid $150k when they graduate high school.
Whoa! Whoa! That’s just crazy talk. Who’s going to run HR, let alone contract negotiations? Or determine which textbooks to buy? Or make sure the one teacher school is in full compliance with all state and federal edicts? Or write the grants to do god knows what?
For years, small school districts in my state were encouraged to merge together for economies of scale. Turns out that the costs were actually higher after merging because they had to increase staffing for oversight and increased management layers as well as the proper support staff for a larger district. Oops.
Not to mention gas for the addition buses.
Scott Alexander wrote a very interesting piece earlier this month on “Cost Disease” (following from Tyler Cowan’s bit on the same)
He focuses on the vast cost-inflation of Schools, Healthcare, etc. over the last 40 years.
Its an attempt to sidestep ideological questions between liberals (for whom cost is irrelevant and no amount is ever enough) and conseratives/libertarians (who obviously want to privatize everything and turn children into laborers for their dirty-coal mines). He doesn’t draw any conclusions but simply tries to get everyone to agree what the ‘problem’ is in the first place.
I think he’s actually wrong in chunks of his analysis; but i think its still worth pointing to.
Side note=
i hate the people who comment on his (very good) pieces. Its 1000 people who all think they’re smarter than the other, but none of them seem capable of actually asking/answering simple questions. I suspect half of them are academics.
Authentic Frontier Derp from the comments there:
“You’ve shown me evidence that federal employees are very hard to fire. You haven’t shown me evidence that this causes lots of inefficiency.”
“You’ve shown me evidence that students do their homework. You haven’t shown me evidence that they will stop doing it if you tell them it will no longer be collected or graded.”
Why do I suspect that no amount of evidence will ever convince someone so obtuse about how human beings act.
Its a kind of stupid that requires post-graduate education; and/or an autistic fetish for numbers but an obstinate inability to comprehend arguments.
I got into a tiff w/ JayU @ the TSTSNBN not long ago, where i pointed out that his “unit” (households) was so vaguely defined that small differences between categories of them were meaningless
(since the unit itself could be anything from 1-person receiving 1 benefit to 10-people receiving 10)
He just stamped his foot and said, “Show me data that says different!”
It was basically someone saying, “But this amp goes to 11” who gets angry when someone else points out, “but that still says nothing about decibel levels….”
Derpetologist we need you to start writing at least a weekly Derpetologist Report.
Should read Derp Report.
Speaking of the commenters there which i (mostly) hate… one seems to have actually nailed the answer to his open-ended question
Cochrane’s blog post where he wrote the above… and more
Administrative bloat: jobs for idiot nephews and brothers-in-law, and a generator of union dues. In progressive land, that’s called success, not failure.
Related:
“morons” LOL
With better IP laws the Prussians wouldn’t have their methods stolen.
Nice tie-in.
I never heard of Alfred Roncovieri, he sounds interesting.
I couldn’t find a lot by a simply Google search – what did he attempt that was unsuccessful? Or is there a source I missed?
I should ask my brother what type of school he goes to.
I doubt it’s a catholic one.
When I was 13 or so, I had to go through a mental and psychological evaluation because I was in my school’s gifted and talented program. In hindsight, I must give the teachers and admins more credit. They made an honest effort to make public school better for me and I had some really great experiences because of that.
I got the report from the evaluation years later. In the comments section, there was a question about what I would change about the school system. I wrote 2 words: mandatory attendance. That’s my criticism of the whole 12-years-for-everybody system in a nutshell. It’s just far too much time to spend on learning things that are mostly irrelevant or things that are easily learned elsewhere.
If there was an exit test to be done with school, I think I lot of students who otherwise would coast on minimum effort would strive to get out early. I certainly would have, although I’m glad a stayed long enough to be taught by a particularly talented geometry teacher in 9th grade. I struggled with math when I was in school, and he inspired me to get my act together. My sister got a choice of doing what I did or skipping a grade. She chose to skip a grade and then went to summer school so she could graduate even sooner. We both graduated from college. I got an engineering degree and she became a lawyer.
On the one hand, it’s good I stuck things out because I ended up getting paid to get a college degree. On the other hand, it turned out that I am a poor fit for engineering or at least the jobs I got.
When I was in high school, I wanted to be a military linguist, but it seemed silly to turn down a college scholarship. Although I’m 32 now, I happy I went back to my original plan.
The meanderings and wrong turns are what make your life interesting.
Derp =
read this
I attended an “experimental school”, based partly on an older model, and partly on the above.
One of the principles of the above (the Brown Coalition/or CSE model) is that students goal is not to merely ‘attend’; its to achieve mastery in certain disciplines.
How fast or slow one does that… or whether one develops mastery with in-class assistance, or with self-directed study, or by mere-inspiration (because you’re fucking brilliant) is all up to the needs/desires/motivations of the individual students.
I’m biased, given its what i know; but i think it does solve a huge amount of what’s wrong with contemporary education models.
I was in an “experimental” honors program at my public school. I was the dumbest one in the room. Go figure. *picks crayon pieces out of nose*
Voluntary early withdraw from high school was the best thing to happen to my life. I was able to allocate 2 additional years of productive time for myself, with parental sponsorship of course.
You know, there were other bigger Catholic v. Protestant battles:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/04/15/celtic-vs-rangers-the-old-firm-explained/
Ah… here’s hoping for a proper Old Firm battle soon. Someone needs to take Celtic down a peg or three.
When I was in Iraq in the Spring/Summer of 2008, I was lumped in with the 1 and 4 Scots (the Borderers and then the Dragoon Guards). One morning this giant NCO – John Knox(!) – was reading something and chuckling. I asked him what was so funny and he replied “Coach o’ Celtic died last night.” THAT was when I started to see just how deep that whole thing went.