Dean Obeidallah is an insufferable prick.
On Monday, CNN published a strident op-ed by the failed lawyer, turned failed stand-up comic, turned C-list media pundit condemning Bill Maher for having Milo Yiannopoulos as a guest on his HBO show. Now, I wholeheartedly agree with libertarian sex goddess Lucy Steigerwald that Milo Yiannopoulous merely is a stupid man’s version of Christopher Hitchens, but the mendaciousness on display when Obeidallah lists the litany of supposed sins committed by Yiannopoulos is breathtaking and warrants comment.
In Obeidallah’s spit-flecked and stentorian denunciation, he charges Maher with failing to “ask [Yiannopoulous] about his anti-Semitic comment that ‘Jews run the media,’ … [ask] why Yiannopoulos wore a Nazi Iron Cross when he was younger … [and inquire about] his demonization of transgender people as, in essence, sexual predators?” Never mind the fact that the first and third charge are merely Obeidallah presenting intentionally provocative statements intended as shock humor out of context, is he not cognizant of the fact that labeling every instance of a symbol that has represented Germany since 1813, (as well as having been appropriated as a fairly innocuous symbol in surfer culture) as “Neo-Nazi” is equivalent to labeling all people wearing fashion keffiyeh as radical Islamist Hamas sympathizers?
Ironically, only a day later, CNN would include the following graphic accompanying its latest attempt to foment a moral panic:
Context is key, indeed!
Obeidallah’s sanctimonious posturing is particularly galling considering the fact that in December of 2013, while a guest on Melissa Harris-Perry’s MSNBC show, he cracked a series of tasteless jokes mocking the fact that Mitt Romeny’s adoptive grandson, Kieran Romney, is ethnically African-American. When challenged over the racially-charged humor, while Harris-Perry delivered what appeared to be a sincere and heartfelt apology, all Obeidallah could muster up was a self-defensive non-apology, in which he managed to portray himself as the victim of false outrage by conservative “wing-nuts” who, in not having the super-secret decoder ring issued to all progressives, failed to realize that humor stemming from an observation that Kieran was essentially and forever different from the rest of his adoptive family due to his race was in fact a wry political statement as to the “lack of racial diversity we see at the Republican National Convention.” Which is why, of course, he referred the child as a “prop” in a mock apology to Kieran for comments made during the broadcast.
As I mentioned earlier, Dean Obeidallah is an insufferable prick.
In further evidence of his martyrdom at the feet of humorless conservative scolds, in his 2013 article for the Daily Beast, Obeidallah wrote:
Here’s the thing: As a comedian, I always try to be funny. It doesn’t always work and I have told jokes that offended people. And I can assure you that in the future I will offend even more people even though that was not my intention. Not only is comedy subjective, but so are sensibilities about when a comedian has “crossed the line.”
In fact, being attacked by right-wing publications for my jokes is nothing new to me. I even wrote an article about that just a few months ago for The Daily Beast titled “The Tea Party’s War on Comedy” about right-wing media outlets lashing out a joke I tweeted. But here’s the reality: We can expect to see even more of this outrage by both the left and the right going forward. Our collective self-righteous anger keeps escalating. Perhaps it’s because of the hyper-partisan times we live in. Or maybe it’s due to social media or the media’s desperate need for content. Perhaps it’s just payback by each side for the last time one of their own was attacked. Regardless of the reason, in time, it will only get worse.
Despite Obeidallah’s 2013 attempt at ‘a pox on both your houses’ appeal to ethos, in 2017, we see no such attempt at nuance, no such reminders of the inherent subjectivity of comedy when Yiannopolous appeared, along with another comedian (Larry Wilmore), on an intentionally comedic political talk-show hosted by a comedian (Maher). Instead, Obeidallah waxed stentorian when he proclaimed:
[S]tunningly, at the end of the interview, Maher seemed to be doing his best to make Yiannopoulos’ hateful views more acceptable. Maher concluded the interview by reading “provocative” jokes the late comedian Joan Rivers had made and saying she was still considered a “national treasure.”
His point appeared to be that if some people gave another comedian a pass, then why shouldn’t we do the same with Yiannopoulos? Well, the reasons are obvious: Rivers was actually a comedian, while Yiannopoulos is a political pundit who writes for Bretitbart.com
Did you get that? Obeidallah and Rivers have permission to be provocative, as they are card-carrying comedians, but humorist and raconteur Yiannopoulos doesn’t as he is a mere “political pundit” for Badthink.com.
Are you fucking kidding me, you insufferable prick?
The amount of cognitive dissonance possessed by Obeidallah to claim that only comedians who meet certain unnamed criteria can make jokes about sensitive topics but Yiannopoulus cannot as he writes op-eds for Brietbart surpasses Graham’s Number in magnitude. One has to marvel that the fact that Obeidallah’s sneer as he wrote the term “political pundit” is so evident that, like the the Greenhouses of Almería, it can be seen from space. When typing out those sentences, did Obeidallah forget that his day job is working the cable TV news circuit as a token progressive Muslim talking-head? Did Obeidallah forget that he was writing an op-ed for CNN? Did Obeidallah forget that he has his own political talk radio show on SiriusXM? The hypocrisy astounds. Yet, there is a simple explanation for it. It is the same reason that Yiannopoulus is currently being castigated for saying the same things that Allen Ginsberg said decades ago:
GINSBERG: Well, then you must excuse me if I don’t adopt the submissive attitude you wish. I got on the air and said that when I was young I was approached by an older man and I don’t think it did me any harm. And that I like younger boys and I think that probably almost everybody has an inclination that is erotic toward younger people, including younger boys.
LOFTON: How young were the boys?
GINSBERG: In my case, I’d say fourteen, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen.
LOFTON: That you had sex with?
GINSBERG: No, unfortunately I haven’t had the chance. [laughs] No, I’m talking about my desires. I’m being frank and candid. And I’m also saying that if anyone was frank and candid, you’d probably find that in anybody’s breast. (Harpers, “When Worlds Collide” Jan, 1990)
Four years after this interview, Ginsberg wrote an essay explaining that he became a card-carrying member of the pedophile advocacy group NAMBLA, “in defense of free speech.” An agitator acting and speaking outrageously “in defense of free speech” sounds familiar, doesn’t it? But the simple fact remains that Yiannopoulus was recently forced to fall upon his own sword whereas Ginsberg remains in the American imagination as a Puckish merry trickster whose poems (“I saw the best minds of my generation … who bit detectives in the neck and shrieked with delight in policecars for committing no crime but their own wild cooking pederasty and intoxication”) are treated with reverence by the academy is because Ginsberg was a communist sympathizer cum progressive leftist and Yiannopoulus isn’t. In the minds of individuals like Obeidallah, it’s a very simple calculus: his progressive compatriots are to be forgiven all failings as their intentions are righteous and pure, whereas, conservatives, libertarians, etc. are always assumed to be acting and speaking in bad faith as their intentions are evil and corrupt. One wonders how Obeidallah rationalizes Joan Rivers’ interview of Reza Farahan, full of frank humor about race, religion, and homosexuality, where Melissa Rivers described her mother as a “fiscally conservative, socially liberal Republican.” In what way does Rivers’ status as a comedian allow Obeidallah to forgive her jokes like “[I’m a Republican] because I work very hard for my money and I don’t care if you’ve got 19 children – use condoms! I’ll pay for your first four children, that’s it!”? In Obeidallah’s Manichean worldview, didn’t Rivers play for the same “team” that Yiannopoulus represents? At the end of his 2013 article, despite spilling some token digital ink bemoaning the negative effect these “hyper-partisan times we live in” have upon humor, Obeidallah ended with this utterly obnoxious cri de coeur:
And let me also be clear to the self-appointed right-wing pundits: I will never stop calling out the wrongs and hypocrisy of the right. Be it citing Jesus’ name to justify slashing programs that help the less fortunate, demonizing Muslims or gays for political gain, or trying to disenfranchise minority voters with voter ID laws. And for those jokes and comments, I can assure you, I will never apologize.
Remember, this came only 2 paragraphs after he wrote “We can expect to see even more of this outrage by both the left and the right going forward. Our collective self-righteous anger keeps escalating. Perhaps it’s because of the hyper-partisan times we live in.” How dull one must be to not grasp the conflict between these two sentiments! Indeed, taking into account all of Obeidallah’s self-contradictory statements, one is forced to conclude that either he suffers from early dementia or that he is utterly without any sort of intellectual honesty or moral scruples.
So we are left with the spectacle of Yiannopoulus being pilloried for the same sins of both Ginsburg and Obeidallah. It’s not even the blatant double-standard of how Yiannopoulus has been treated so poorly due to his perceived political views that rankles so much; it’s the complete and all-consuming self-righteousness of progressives like Obeidallah and his ilk as they bemoan their treatment at the hands of “humorless” conservatives, yet still deign to deliver angry philipics when someone who is not a progressive leftist attempts to do as they did. You see, in Obeidallah’s worldview, only people with the proper views can be certified comedians, and thus, given license to poke at sacred cows. Thus, Yiannopoulus is a filthy pedophile, whereas, George Takei merely has wickedly mischevious sense of humor. In Obediallah’s worldview, Felix “PewDiePie” Kjellberg is a vicious anti-Semite, but Trevor Noah merely makes wry observations on “Zionism.” In Obediallah’s worldview, taking style tips from an anti-Semitic mass murderer and pedophile is merely fashion, but wearing a surfer’s necklace is irrefutable evidence that Yiannopoulus hold allegiance to an ideology that would see him placed in a death camp with both a pink and yellow triangle sewn to his blue and white striped prisoner’s pyjamas.
Dean, if you do perchance come across this article, I recommend that after reading it you enter your bathroom. I would ask that you take the time to look at yourself in the mirror. Really look at yourself. After marveling over your close resemblance to Casey Kasem, I want you to look yourself in the eyes and come to the acceptance that you are the reason Donald J. Trump is President of the United States. I want you to know, deep down in your bones, that it is an incontrovertible truth that it was the sublime hypocrisy displayed by you and your fellow progressive hatchet-men in the media that drove this nation to elect an amoral demagogue. I want you to see your face as the realization creeps across it that the current political situation is a result of the utter contempt that you have expressed towards those whom you’ve deemed as evil merely because they do not subscribe to your economic and societal views. I want you to see your eyes mist and your brow furrow in anguish as it dawns upon you that the zealous self-righteousness of you and your fellow progressives, in which you believe it acceptable to slander a perceived ideological enemy through hyperbolic sound-bites disseminated through a compliant, yet mercurial, media, has produced an equal and opposite reaction to which you now find your most beloved shibboleths tossed on the trash-heap. And, finally, when you accept that the state of affairs is over in which one could be excused of even the most vile behavior if they were your ideological kinsmen, while even the most milquetoast of peccadilloes of others were excoriated with a fury that rivaled anything found in Johnathan Edward’s Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God, if you have even a modicum of self-dignity, you will reach for your medicine cabinet, take your DOVO, pause for a moment as the cold steel is pressed against the flesh of your neck, and slide the blade from left to right.
And you’ll have no one to blame but yourself, you insufferable prick.
Look mate, if you say he’s a fuck then he’s a fuck. No argument from my scaly ass
He’s a fuck.
Yo LIZ!
Looks like our slither lord has emerged from his heat rock to join our merry band.
It’s not entirely his fault – we did unplug it.
Holy sweet Jesus. That. Was. Awesome.
I imagine any introspection dude performs end with dude concluding, “Nah, derp harder.”
It’s so frustrating. He manages to be able to formulate these thoughts “Perhaps it’s because of the hyper-partisan times we live in. Or maybe it’s due to social media or the media’s desperate need for content. Perhaps it’s just payback by each side for the last time one of their own was attacked. Regardless of the reason, in time, it will only get worse,” yet, he still manages to be the smarmiest MSNBC uber alles dickhead on the planet.
It’s like if you handed him a fully annotated guide on how to take a piss and he still urinates all over himself.
Self-awareness is a vanishingly rare virtue in some circles. How does this guy even have a profitable job as a writer? He should thank God for the hyper partisan times we live in and social media’s desperate need for content. In a sane society, he’d be insufferable AND homeless.
He must be taking the piss.
On his brand-spanking new Toms shoes.
And well written.
*standing O
FIne work, Mistuh Mulatto!
Glad you liked it!
HM, putting the, “dank,” in danke schoen.
Well done!
Dean needs to eat a loaf of fecal matter.
You’re a helluva writer, HM. That last segment was sick.
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This is better than Thicc Thursday.
Let’s not say anything too crazy. This was a helluva damn fine piece, one of the best I’ve ever seen, but, well, so was Thicc Thursday
Sorry, I really blew my wad there…
And so soon after the last post. I didn’t know my refractory period could even be that short
Meh, I don’t really have yellow fever, and besides, 99.41% of the internet is purely dedicated to men and women undressed. Actually interesting political commentary is in short supply.
DeanO is aiming for the holy grail sought by every budding thought cop out there: Power and scolding for me and no equal and opposite reaction from my enemies. It’s why all attempts at controlling peaceful interaction among free individuals inevitably ends up with contradictions and, finally, violence. I get to do what I want, but you don’t. Fuck off.
That was a solid beat down. wow.
“Fuck with your soul like ether
(Will) Teach you the king you know you
(Not) “God’s son” across the belly
(Lose) I prove you lost already”
Holy shit! HM just ended this dude!
Funny you mention that, I had this cued up to use in another post.
Har! Love that guy.
Keep your sodding coffee in a proper copper coffee pot
And spot me lobbing teapots at your poncy rotten coffee shop
Coffee clots, nodding off–lost the plot, sodding off
Need some caffeine, tannin, and a Battenberg to top it off!
Dayum – withering.
That girl is intoxicatingly pretty.
Better even than today’s thiccies.
Let’s petition her to be next week’s model. Thicc Thursday: Ladies of Liberty
You just made me click on her. I’m probably on a list now.
I GIS’d because I’m a creep, but all I found were sarong-tying guides. Maybe not sarongs, but whatever.
That’s just sarong of you.
I clicked too. I didn’t know it would lead me to the Hamas national anthem. I was going to claim false advertising and then I paid closer attention to her wrap.
The link literally said, in Arabic, ‘Death to the Jews’, what did you expect 2 midgets twerking?
But you’ll give us that. You monster.
Oh well. I can’t even imagine how many lists we’re on now.
See you at the camp, bacon!
Man, that was some take down about a guy I never heard of.
I see HM went with the “Insufferable prick” label for the guy who is the bigger “insufferable prick” rather than labeling the guy who is getting screwed by hypocrites “a loathsome troll”. I have a feeling HM had a certain coiffed writer in mind as he delivered this blow.
Well deserved too.
It’s strange to see criticism directed to the proper targets for once.
No kidding. Getting a dopamine hit without the kneeling in an alley part is a rare joy.
Good of him to deliver a blow on Gilmore. :-p
That’s a lot of words.
OT?: Judge: Women can go topless in Fort Collins
New soviet man sees nothing special about female pec region.
Speak for yourself. 😉
It’s never any hot chicks that take advantage of those laws
Why buy the cow when you can get the curdled, sour milk for free?
That is mostly true. Those girls are in dark places with sticky floors and want dollar bills put in their g-strings. They are the smart ones.
*Shoves fiver into protester’s panty string*
Oh yeah, baby. Put in on! Put in on!
Wash your hands. Immediately.
A year ago
“DENVER — A judge dismissed a lawsuit Tuesday by a credit union that serves Colorado’s marijuana businesses that was seeking federal approval.
“U.S. District Judge R. Brooke Jackson said federal law prohibits marijuana and that giving approval to Fourth Corner Credit Union would be breaking the law.”
In my experience the places that make female toplessness legal see no increase in female toplessness. People are already practicing the social norms that they are comfortable with then lawmakers attempt to write those into law. The ‘You’re not the boss of me!’ crowd then rebels and go out of their way to violate those norms. *Yawn* I’ve seen it a hundred times.
It’s almost like rational people don’t base every decision regarding their behavior or what they find socially acceptable on whether or not the government tells them it’s ok to do it.
Thread jacking for a moment: did any of you play Planescape: Torment waaaay back in the day? If you didn’t, it was a text-heavy click-based Baldur’s Gate-style RPG by Black Isle Studios from 1998 or so. Loads of dialogue and exploration and puzzle-solving and mystery-building. One of the greatest RPGs of all time.
Well, a lot of the original developers got together a few years ago and Kickstarted a spiritual sequel, Tides of Numenara, emulating the same general substance and style of Torment but with an all-new setting and story with a conversation-driven plot. Worth looking into if you’re into that sort of thing.
Yes, and my wife and I have been watching it with great interest!
I got it early as a KS backer and have enjoyed the hell out of the last several hours. It doesn’t do the hackneyed karma thing a lot of RPGs like to do. I’m not actually sure what it does. There’s a “tides” system (hence, Tides) that roughly tracks how you interact with the world and characters. You can pursue different archetypes, in other words, based on your decisions. And supposedly it plays a huge influence in how your story progresses. I haven’t gotten far enough into the main plot, mainly because I can’t stop stopping and talking with NPCs, but it’s been three years in the works and the lead developer insists the reason it took so long is because the plotting of the game consumed so much time. I hope so, but in the meantime the nostalgia for Planescape has me hooked.
Sounds fantastic. The last time I played an RPG that reminded me of the witty humor of Planescape was Divinity: Original Sin, which is also a fantastic game. If you take the talent for it on one of your two mains, you can even talk to the animals (and many of them are hilarious).
*bookmarked*, thanks!
As a recommendation, play it with a friend (it can be two-player). It’s even more fun. My wife and I had a blast on several play-throughs doing different things.
The world needs an Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magick Obscura sequel, desperately.
Jayzus, I remember that as a demo on a PC Gamer issue maybe fifteen years ago.
Great game.
I only played through it once. My character was basically MacGyver played by Frodo Baggins.
After I get my Darklands sequel.
Arcanum is one of those games, kind of like the original Fallout, where the combat mechanics are hilariously broken.
How many exotic romance options?
Just kidding, loved Planescape and have had my eye on this one too.
Dean Obeidallah seems like a right insufferable prick to me.
You have a way with words, HM. I’m enthralled by your wit, your candor, and most especially your way with cutting remarks.
And just to help it on its way up in Google results: What an insufferable prick Dean Obeidallah is.
Did someone say insufferable prick? Because all I heard was Dean Obeidallah.
You know who else is an insufferable prick?
Dean Obeidallah.
So many insufferable pricks. But that Dean Obeidallah is way up there.
BTW, yesterday you asked why Sargon was banned from twitter. I found 2 main theories floating out there. He criticized an EU official over Islam. He posted a picture of a white guy sucking a black guys dick. I dunno. Either one should win him a prize and not a ban.
Yeah, I suspect that I’ve figured out what Sargon’s game is. He does low-level ToS violations to get him temp bans, but get all the pundits talking about him, which increases his subscriber base and hurts Twitter because lots of people are getting ready to jump ship on Twitter anyway.
If so, bravo for strategizing with your base, sir.
Sargon responds.
Those are mini-bans from a few weeks ago – Bacon-Magic posted it below – apparently a faked DM/PM re: kiddie porn.
I’m not the first to observe that Dean Obeidallah is an insufferable prick, though I may have been the first to explicitly publish it.
Very good article HM. Not to mention that Dean Obeidallah is unable to do a basic google search. The picture of the Iron Cross in the picture is clearly a First World War model even in a cursory glance of the poor image.
What makes you think he was interested in knowing its true provenience? All it was to him was a prop that enable him to smear Yiannopoulos with one of the most vile slurs possible.
I didn’t see where he accused Milo of being a former commenter of TSTMNBN.
I keed.
You do make a valid observation.
I read that, and thought, “well there you go = some reasonable, sensible writing from TakiMag!….. I’m sure the comments won’t INSTANTLY TURN THIS INTO SOME RACIST THING, WILL THEY?”
lol just kidding, i actually made a mental guesstimate “within 3 comments, someone’s going to say, “BUT NEGROES”‘…. and VOILA =
ZSG the other day was saying something along the lines of, “most of the comments-racism you find on youtube is really part of a larger Meme-baiting war…etc”
I’m pretty sure Taki comments tho are 100% the real thing. you really can’t top those chaps.
Jesus HM, excellent article. Way better that ANYTHING printed at TSWSNBN in the last…Christ, since the election. Seriously, the hair is not fit to hold your jock. I may be punished for this, but…this MAY have been better than thicc thursday.
Staged harassment and other fake news
Epic take-down, O splendid specimen of indeterminate ethnicity.
(gasp) … i said more or less the same thing a few weeks ago. she beat me by a few months. The funny part is that i meant it as a compliment, she means it as a derogatory 🙂
My making the comparison was to simply say, “people don’t bash milo because he’s bad at polemics…. but because they only like polemics when it offends *other people’s* sensibilities
e.g. so when Hitch sneered at every single religious person in the country, and called them children living in a fairy land who secretly want to live in north korea… why, that’s just *droll* isn’t it?….. (tings champagne flute with cocktail shrimp fork)
….whereas when Milo says things like, “academics and the media who defend Islam from criticism under the label “Islamophobia”, are literally defending the murder of homosexuals and the systematic oppression of women…:
…why, he’s accusing *US* of bigotry??!? HOW DARE HE.
yes, he’s engaged in *lowbrow* polemics. But the mistake Lucy makes is thinking that “highbrow” polemics isn’t still the same thing, merely with a more-intellectual, literary sheen.
Hitchens was a writer who gave speeches; Milo is a speaker who is trying to publish a book.
A clever writer trained in the school of Trotskyite polemics can make retardation seem witty and intelligent.
Normally Hitchens’ accent gave him an advantage with American audiences, but I suppose that doesn’t work against Milo who also has an accent.
An English accent increases your sophistication many fold.
I get the Alexander Hamilton “Federalist Papers” vs. Thomas Paine “Common Sense” thing, yes. Now, I can’t speak for Lucy, but what I mean is that Milo has always seem to be like a child dressed up in Hitchens’ clothes playing “learnèd wit” . I’ve always gotten the sense that Milo’s louche attempt at being a British wit is merely affectation, and not a very good one. The reason Oxford is Oxford is because it produces men who can speak like Hitchens. Had Milo remained at Cambridge, he might have been able to pull off this schtick. Unfortunately, I think that Milo sounded his most reasonable and, consequently, most likeable during his last press conference. It’s sad, but the humility gained at having to defend oneself from being libeled as a pedophile did him some good.
I think Milo is about to release a glitterbomb on his antagonists. He knows mass media/brand marketing better than his competition, they won’t even know what’s coming.
Don’t misunderstand me = i completely agree.
But the essence of what they’re doing – Polemics – isn’t any different whether its done ‘elegantly’ or whether its done ‘crassly’
Its a form of argument, and a *legitimate* form of argument.
The pundit class want to believe that somehow its “ok’ when the right people (the well educated, the artful, the anointed) do it….
…. but inexcusable when the proles do.
And its just made worse by the fact that he (milo) dares point fingers at *them*?
(*i also note = the media had their own love/hate relationship with Hitch depending on *who* he was skewering.Kissinger is a war criminal?? YAY. When he was shitting on the Clintons? BOOOO. Religious people are children? YAY!! The Iraq War maybe is justified? BOOOO; its seen as very polite to praise him as a great intellectual now that he’s been permanently shut-up, but when he was alive many of these same people were often of mixed opinions about his value)
I agree. And Common Sense was much more popular and effective than the Federalist Papers.
I wouldn’t write Milo off as dumb, though. He knows what he’s doing. He’s specifically trying to appeal to a younger audience than Hitchens reached. His youth and devil-may-care attitude along with the antics and flamboyant dress create exactly the kind of character that appeals to youths. The left has used the exact same prototype persona a ridiculous number of times in the past, which is probably why they’re so pissed at him specifically. Because they know it is working and everything they try to do to stop him ends up empowering him to reach more people.
Oh, I don’t think Milo is dumb at all, he is very cunning. Although, he is nowhere nearly as well-read as The Hitch or any of the other classic Brit Wits he attempts to emulate.
And as far as his audience, I’ll just say that we are all stupid from 18 to 30.
Yep, it’s all an extension of the discussion I started the other day in links about what the “alt right” really is and why it doesn’t really exist.
Once you recognize the prototype, you see that Milo is a golden god of the meme wars. He’s everything they aspire to be. But it’s clever of him to harness the younger generation because those are usually the ones the left suck up to so well and indoctrinate. And they love counter-culture heroes, so that is what he became.
It is my sincerest hope that more of us recognize what this movement is, because when the troops come home from the meme wars, they’re going to want more substantial, intellectual fare. And we can give that to them.
“when the troops come home from the meme wars, they’re going to want more substantial, intellectual fare. And we can give that to them.”
This is an extremely important point, in my mind. Dissatisfaction is growing on both sides of the aisle as people are beginning to accept that the traditional labels and party alignments are nothing more than con men in different clothes playing the same game. Libertarianism is a very viable alternative that has common ground on both sides, but most people have a distorted view of what we are because of our recent track record of presidential candidates and the smear campaign against people like the Koch brothers. If we can fix these PR issues, there will be lots of opportunities to recruit new converts in the coming years.
I plan on writing an article about whether or not we are seeing the beginning of either, depending on how you reckon it, the 6th or 7th Party System. There have been huge ideological shifts in both parties, but I don’t want to give up the lede just yet.
Yep, in the terminology of the chans, the LP may well be too “cucked” to capture this generation. Our homeland is the embodiment of that. CATO is right out. Too stuffy and boring for most young adults. Libertarians in suits disturb them, and it doesn’t help that CATO has gone hard-line on open borders (without the requisite drop in entitlements needed to help the country sustain more immigration).
CATO sent Alex Nowrasteh to talk to Tucker Carlson about open borders, and while a lot of libertarians proclaimed his appearance as a “win”, I think Carlson managed to make him look like an absolute asshole. When Carlson sounds more libertarian in his questioning than an actual libertarian. 🙁
HM- Looking forward to it!
ZSG-Agreed. No self-respecting libertarian could have seen that interview as a win. It’s a reflection of how little exposure libertarian viewpoints receive in the media that even showing up to the dance counts as scoring. I think this was the hill that a certain other site was trying so hard to capture, but one thing (of many) that they failed to realize was that you can’t appeal to people by watering down your beliefs to accommodate theirs, especially if the reason that they’re potentially shopping around for alternatives is precisely because they are beginning to question those beliefs. You have got to come to the table with a fully-formed, nuanced, systematic alternative to those beliefs and you’ve got to defend it passionately and logically, full-throated and without equivocation. Sure, you can speak the LANGUAGE of the disaffected groups in order to communicate more tangibly, but you’ve got to be firm in your convictions and let the ideals speak for themselves. People are willing to listen, but you’ve got to say something worth saying, and damn it you’ve got to have the balls to fight for it.
I enjoyed how that was slipped in as a “source”
“Surf Nazis Must Die” or “Ilsa-She Wolf of the SS” Which is the definitive Naz-ploitation movie? Discuss.
Never seen the latter one.
I did recently see clips from this film, which appears to be…. well, aiming to add to the genre.
Damn HM.
This site is reminding me of something I noticed throughout my professional life. Whenever the team was about to lose one the key members everyone was all “What do we do now? [so and so] is the only one with the project’s history/knowledge/skills. We’re in big trouble and things will never be the same!” However, the empty slot meant several junior folks got promoted/assigned additional responsibility and guess what? After a couple weeks nobody missed the old guy – his dominating presence had been hiding the talents of the junior members who it truns out were even better than folks thought and they brought new insights and ideas as well.
Turns out Virginia’s batch of deplorables didn’t need the “pros”.
I get what you’re saying, but I’ve also seen the opposite- where the wheels start falling off the bus as technical comptence and experience goes out the door and the remaining/replacements aren’t up to snuff.
I’m glad you liked the article, mikey!
yeah, but HM = HE’S A POET, and that makes it different
Duh. It’s called “poetic license”, and since a license is just the state stealing your rights so they can sell them back to you later, that just proves that the “right” to free speech is only for those with state-approved political beliefs or artistic sensibilities.
You know who else is a poet?
Ogma?
*makes note to never get on HM’s bad side*
Thanks, HM. That was a blast to read!
Well done, HM. that was nice. I need to go get a glass of scotch and then read it again, more slowly.
I think you really nailed a point that so few seem to grasp (esp on TSTSNBN)
….namely, that the so-called “trump apologism” or the “defending Milo” (at least from folks like me) often had little-to-nothing to do with the merits of either of those characters, but was really about disgust with the intellectual-dishonesty and hypocrisy of the pundit class….
e.g. the same types of people who weeks before the election had been pearl clutching over “What will happen if the yokels don’t concede!?!”… were within days of the election rushing to argue that the Electoral College was in fact an anachronism held over from Slave-owning times, and should be abolished. etc.
Thanks, I’m glad you enjoyed it.
I have no idea who this guy is, but man, do I pity him.
Excellent rant, righteous fury is a much better response than, say, effeminate mealy-mouthed moaning and social signalling.
me either. I’ve seen his name floating around, and would have guessed, “the kind of person who shows up on discussion-panels on MSNBC”, but otherwise was blissfully ignorant of his contributions to public discourse.
Nazi Iron Cross
I know people who don’t like jazz, and they don’t like the blues, yet for some reason, I play this record and they go, “I like this what’s this”
*its my scotch-drinking music.
lol
this was not meant as a reply. but whatever. it wasn’t meant as anything
Hey Gilmore
You didn’t give me time to thank you for the scotch music link before you took your comment down. It’s a keeper.
Today we salute you, Richmond, California, City Council, for your unanimous vote in favor of impeaching Donald Trump.
+ 1⬆⬆⬆⬆1 Graham’s number
This article marks its *second* use in a proof.
Well, shit. Those rendered as proper Knuth’s arrows when I was typing it.
I’m smiling from ear to ear.
Bravo, HM. That was the literary equivalent of Beethoven playing Through the Fire and Flames.
That was really excellent. Even better than the time you shit down Asawin Suebsaeng’s neck on H&R, and he slinked away, saying nothing else, with a satisfied belly full of warm faeces.
Speaking of the
insufferable prickdevil! Did you catch this?*jazz hands*
Whaaaaa? Is this made up?
No, I gather she was either detained or arrested by some cop while trying to get closer to Mike Pence that the cop felt she should.
You have no idea how badly I wish there were video of this. hahahah
“”why do guards, suddenly appear…. any time…. you are near….. sort of like me, they’re paid to be, clooooose to yuuuuuuuuu”
Asawin Suebsaeng
@swin24
I had to yell at the cop not to touch her as he was threatening her for breaching a Mike Pence security perimeter
Asawin Suebsaeng
@swin24
(She just wanted to get to the casino. Anyway, follow #ff @ENBrown
So much drama. I hope she gets help w/ her gambling problem
Makes you wonder if she realizes that acting like that isn’t helping us in any way. Drunk, maybe?
“”Its not about YOU!!!“”
/someone somewhere
Actually i thought the funny part was the girlish reaction by “Subwang” (can’t be bothered to type his name) where he’s all like, “And I yelled like, STOP at the cop for like, thinking he was doing his job… because everyone knows, BYSTANDERS YELLING AT POLICE OFFICERS ALWAYS CALMS A SITUATION DOWN AND IMPROVES THINGS”
it was like he had to slip some self-back-patting on his role in ‘Fighting the Man’, because Twitter
Not that anyone will read this now, but the funniest part of this? The most recent post on TSTWNBN is “Stop Belittling the Holocaust With Your Stupid Nazi Analogies “
I missed this and I wish to see it. Gimme.
Please?
Nyah. Who needs enemies, amirite?
Wow, this is great. Well done HM.
Had I known he was ENB’s roommate (boyfriend?) I would have kept my opinion to myself.
Jesus. It’s like the guy thought he was going to have a friendly boxing match…and then they brought out the bear.
I would have kept my opinion to myself.
I would have lost respect for you if you did.
How would you have known, huh? Is the new social media generation of Zenith questions?
Zen
If I know now of what would have remained unknown, I now know what my response to that unknown is because it is known.
I also know there are known unknowns; that is to say I know there are some things I do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones I don’t know if I don’t know. And if one looks throughout the history of Reason, it is the latter category that tend to be the difficult ones.
I like turtles.
Mu.
Fiancé, I believe.
Yeah, this was building up for a while.
I’m on my third scotch, and your blistering takedown of Suebsaeng (to his face!) was priceless. Somehow i missed it before.
That’s the future Mr Nolan Brown to you.
no kidding?
Well that explains his “I yelled at the cop for touching her. and then i tweeted about it.” thing above. Very noble.
“Trailer park noble”
Unrelated (or partly related)
it looks like robby got a haircut. Its just missing that magic-something. Its probably the backdrop drowning out its radiance.
And, since I’m late to the game, this is as good a place as any to give you a pat on the back for this…verbal ass-kicking tour de force.
Just, really outstanding writing, HM.
Very interesting level headed and relatively neutral article about the possibility of a Trump impeachment and its consequences.
https://medium.com/@IsaacSimpson/if-trump-is-impeached-it-might-be-the-end-of-america-b7a2243399b7#.jlc1zen6q
TLDR:
Trump supporters are not going to stand for it if Trump is impeached even for legitimate reasons. Trump isn’t Nixon. Trump is and always will be David in the David v Goliath story for most Trump supporters. If he is defeated it won’t necessarily mean violence but it could cause the system to lose all legitimacy and collapse. Yay libertarian moment.
I consider the premise too silly to even bother with the subsequent argument.
i can’t even imagine a potential scenario in which a GOP controlled congress would kill the golden goose. and i have a good imagination. but apparently its something someone somewhere thinks needs taking seriously.
I kind of doubt the same congress that gave Bill Clinton a pass for perjury, is going to suddenly decide to indict Trump on non-specific charges. They have to go home to voters that voted for Trump. So unless the Left can produce some Watergate level charges, we’re stuck with him as our president.
Shameless plug; anybody here have Spotify? Do you like guitars? Jangly guitars? Noisy guitars? Powerpop, psychedelic, noise, rock, folk, glam, punk, post-punk, garage, jangle? Then follow my Spotify playlist Jangle Noise. Lots of guitar, acoustic drums, no keyboards.
The Nerves: Hanging on the Telephone
https://youtu.be/emy5mA8Ixtc
Here’s a good one. British powerpop with a punky edge. https://youtu.be/lKuc3faQAEs
From Chicago; it’s Twin Peaks “Sloop Jay D”
https://youtu.be/9SY0LhNonsQ
Jangling guitars. Whistlin’
https://youtu.be/pFlO0I3asb4
I’m watching Anthony Bourdain in Singapore, and it made me think “Ah, Singapore” by Shonen Knife.
https://youtu.be/A3x9D5LP30c
Excellent. I shoulda been over at this site for the last seven years. It is a very good thing to want to read the article before the comments.
Except we’ve only existed for 11 days! 😉
Welcome!
I’m a late adopter. It usually takes a few days for me to get up to speed. Really happy that you guys got this thing going. It rocks hard.
Home run. I wasn’t a premature ejaculator before, but I am now. I only lasted 30 seconds.
“Be it citing Jesus’ name to justify slashing programs that help the less fortunate”
Ok, I’m certainly no scholar of the Christian religion, but I don’t think Jesus advocated using the force of government to extract money from people who are deemed to be excessively rich and giving it to poor people (some of whom are just poor because of laziness, profligacy, or impulsiveness).
Render unto Caesar something something . . . .
I’ve never even heard of this guy until now, but jesus he sounds like the pinnacle of moral bankruptcy. An exemplification of everything that is wrong with mainstream media these days.
I know I’m necro-posting, but I just found this article and want to give some kudos. Wonderfully written. Great job, HM!