When I finished my education at the wonderful North Bennet St. School in Boston, I was left to make a few choices on where to pick up my trade in locksmithing. Sixteen states, like New York and Texas, require a license to work in any shop. My home state of Vermont had none, and I moved back to start there. The problems of trying to move to a state, pass the certification, and then wait to receive the license proved too much for my wallet.
The calls for licensing were quickly heard as I entered my career. There was a perception that people were being had by fakes, they were being vastly overcharged in their worst moments. There are companies that use fake addresses and temporary numbers, hoping to make a week’s wages on an unfortunate soul. My coworkers and colleagues wanted to help, genuinely. I don’t think any of them thought their ideas could be used to hurt new entries to the field. Like all other licensing schemes though, that will be the result.
The goal may be noble; an attempt to sort the skilled workers from the non-skilled so the general public doesn’t make a bad choice. The immediate problem is that when this is done by a board of insiders, the door closes, the requirements deviate from that first goal, and no one is allowed in. New York City is probably the worst offender in this way, you need to have two friends in the club invite. Good luck, I’m sure no one would mind losing ‘territory’ to your new business venture. Looking through the requirements, I see nothing about knowing any building or fire codes, no test on practices or skills, but I do see a child support check. How that relates to a skilled technician, I am not sure. Probably for the best that person can’t start in a trade, he owes some money. There’s also a fee and expiration date, because FYTW. The idea that licensing locksmiths in New York has helped the consumer is nonsense, a quick google search says New Yorkers still have problems and accuse several businesses of scamming them.
A better solution would be registration and private certifications. Milton Friedman wrote 55 years ago:
By registration, I mean an arrangement under which individuals are required to list their names in some official register if they engage in certain kinds of activities. There is no provision for denying the right to engage in the activity to anyone who is willing to list his name. He may be charged a fee, either as a registration fee or as a scheme of taxation.
A much less intrusive way to go about the attempt to publicly identifying shady businesses without setting up serious barriers to entry. Registration and certification already exist in private associations.
The Associated Locksmiths Of America has been testing for certification. ALOA’s stated mission is to enhance the professionalism, education and ethics among locksmiths. They have levels of certification. As good as this organization is, ALOA thinks they are not enough and is actively pursuing licensing around the country. They say this is to protect consumers, but the PDF is mostly protectionist. Of course, admitting that this protects locksmiths is the giveaway. To pretend that unlicensed (by ALOA) people are automatically all part of this scamming scourge is ridiculous. To keep locksmith tools out of the hands of the public forces a cost on someone who wants to try their hand in the field. They want the power of the state to ensure that only their locksmiths are allowed to do any business. We may approve of a government register, but I will always oppose government certification and licensing.
This muddying between public certifications and government licensing of a trade is not unique to locksmithing. We all know how important it is to protect the consumer from Sweeny Todd, and dammit, the government is the only way. You can’t be trusted to do any work on your bathroom door lock, and you should be fined for letting your handyman take a crack at it. We should instead be able to find workers that have been trained and have a certification given by a reputable group if we want to.
The trades are chock full of this nonsense. Remember a few years back, when even handymen were required to go through lead and asbestos ‘certification’?
In 2017 the idea that we need the government to tell us if someone is shady or not is absurd. A quick google, Angie’s list, your neighbors – the list is endless.
Nice work, Doom. How about some locksmithing basics in another article? Lock selection, security recommendations and how to get a key cut for the trunk of an old Triumph 🙂
I could probably do that. If you really want a key, you can send me that lock. If it’s open, take it to a shop in town. it might take a few days. $20-50.
I misplaced the key to the lockbox containing my lockpicks.
It’s ironic in it’s own kind of way.
Well, it’s not rain on your wedding day…
The first week of school, maybe that Tuesday, my classmate locked his keys to his motorcycle in the storage area. We were still learning how to identify keys.
Thanks, it’s only OCD that drives the need for a key to a trunk that will likely never be locked.
Is locksmithing worse than other trades when it comes to shadiness? It seems that it would be hard to surpass the scumminess of the traveling ‘storm repair’ people. I know you are pursuing a different career, but what are the prospects for locksmiths? You’ve mentioned opening safes in the past – is that kind of thing part of the job?
There are a lot of shady people, unfortunately. It’s based on the fact that people get locked out of their house or car, freak out, and call someone without checking. A lot of people will claim a very cheap service call, say $19. they get there, say that your kwikset lock is”high security” and needs to be drilled open. then they charge closer to $500 for that and putting a new kwikset lock($12-20 retail) in. It’s 1 am, you just got back from the airport, what can you do but pay?
as for the industry, each shop is different, and some make a lot of money. Mine wasn’t and I was getting close to a cap. I would make more going to a industrial setting, like a college or a hospital. Some companies only work on commercial, some focus on safe entry. Automotive can be expensive to get into, but you have a good ROI.
my shop was mixed residential and commercial. We had some contracts with some towns, but our largest customers were property management for apartments.
Oh, that first part times a billion. There’s a whole industry of shafting people locked out of houses and cars. It’s been going on since the yellow pages days.
My wife got locked out while I was out of town. Luckily she called me first, and I was able to get a hold of our locksmith. There were high-security locks that would have been drilled and replaced with “whatever”. One call to our locksmith and he was able to drive out with a key.
It pays to find a good locksmith before you need one. Like the saying goes, “When did Moses build the Ark? Before Pearl Harbor!”
I would make more going to a industrial setting, like a college or a hospital.
I was surprised when I got to my current hospital (much bigger than my previous one). We have a full-time locksmith on staff. Of course, we have something like 170 outside entrances and nearly 9 miles of corridors; nobody knows how many interior locking doors we have, but its in the hundreds.
It’s a lot of upkeep, and it’s a lot cheaper to hire a locksmith or two than have to try to get one there when something breaks. Colleges usually have 5-10, depending on the size. They sometimes wear a few hats, as general maintenance or some HVAC.
So the custodian’s keyring could double as a boat anchor?
I have one of five electronic lock “key-cards” that will open every electronic lock in the building except one. When we had an inpatient psych unit, it even opened those doors ( checked, just out of curiosity). The one door I can’t get into is the one to our pharmacy, for some reason. When I was at another hospital, I discovered that the transplant docs had changed the locks on the door to the transplant department and my key didn’t work. It was education for them in just exactly whose fucking hospital it was (hint: not theirs)
A lot of our locks are double – electronic and hard-keyed. Most of the staff doesn’t even carry a hard key, just their key card. My offices are hard-keyed only (lots of top-secret stuff in there *eyeroll*), but there’s probably five or six copies of the key floating around. I carry two hard-keys: one for each of my offices.
The electronic access to that pharmacy is probably kept to as few as possible for auditing. electronic in general has been so great for security. The more levels of master keying you do to a physical lock, the easier it is to pick open, or for a key that shouldn’t work in it to work by accident (cross-keying). On our end, we’re starting to see electronic locks with audit trails on things like cabinet locks for hospitals.
The one door I can’t get into is the one to our pharmacy, for some reason.
I am surprised you don’t know that one, RC. That’s a Fed Reg under the Controlled Substances act. Only pharmacy trained and licensed staff (read: you ain’t a pharmacist nor a pharm tech) around pharmacy stores.
I remember I went to the pharmacy one time at my old hospital because I had to ask the clinical pharmacist on duty a very specific question about Xigris, and they wouldn’t let me into the dispensary. Period. Full Stop. End of Story. I had to wait until he could get to me.
The rationale is the fewest people allowed access to pharmacy stores (and scheduled stuff is also double locked at all times unless actually administered) allows for the easiest to pinpoint should internal pharmacy shrinkage be occurring, and taking a shift inventory and audit for a large hospital pharmacy, even automated, would be a daunting task.
Or, what Groovus said.
Oh, I knew why.
Geez, try to slip in a little humor around here, and you get the Code of Federal Regulations quoted at you.
We have three safes in the pharmacy for Schedule 1 goodies. They wouldn’t give me the combinations for those, either. For some reason.
Geez, try to slip in a little humor around here, and you get the Code of Federal Regulations quoted at you.
Yes, passing up the chance to correct a hospital lawyer, whether you needed or not, was too good to resist. *chuckles*
That, and I remember being really pissed off, because I didn’t want to be stuck in the hallway, and the roly-poly rat faced pharm tech-ette seemed to take great joy in making me wait.
Xigris, by the by, is a particularly nasty little drug, complete with its very own little, “If we give this, you CANNOT SUE US AT ALL,” protocol and patient consent and release form because it was a therapy of last resort (nuclear level clot buster), and killed about 48% of patients. And it was pulled off the market in 2011, just for a time reference.
the roly-poly rat faced pharm tech-ette seemed to take great joy in making me wait
Funny how hospital staff seem to enjoy taking the piss out of doctors. Can’t imagine why. As far as I am concerned, doctors are practically people.
As far as I am concerned, doctors are practically people.
Meh. Mythbusters already ruled this one, “MYTH!” Thanks aside, you are not the first to buy into this longstanding legend whose origin is lost to the mist of time.
We keep hoping we’ll be conferred Personhood someday.
The one door I can’t get into is the one to our pharmacy, for some reason.
Fuckwits in the DEA don’t want to you to get opioids to alter your brain chemistry in a way they disapprove of.
a key for the trunk of an old Triumph
Universal, works on the ignition and trunk of any british car.
Wasn’t sure if it was gonna be that or this.
In 2017 the idea that we need the government to tell us if someone is shady or not is absurd. A quick google, Angie’s list, your neighbors – the list is endless.
This, although it’s not without it’s own perils. Remember the mom-and-pop pizza shop in Indiana that dared say they would refuse to cater to a gay wedding? Proggies around the world hurried to Yelp to log bad reviews of the place, even though they’d never been there, nor ate their food, nor had even heard of the place the day before.
Yeah, I will say that most people will not review something positively, but everyone who had a bad experience shares it. This skews the average. When I look for reviews on a place, I try to think about the businesses side of that 1 star review. “Oh no, you had to wait a whole 3 minutes in line?”
Yes, exactly. As long as there are a bunch of reviews, I can usually get a pretty good feel for the place. My wife and I were looking at some reviews on Trip Advisor the other day and laughing about what people would dock stars for. “It was a fantastic hotel with a great location, great people, great food, but I’m giving it only 2 stars because the poolside music was too loud”.
When I’m checking a place out, I’ll always read through the lowest reviews first. I usually find that they tell me more about the reviewer then the item they’re reviewing. But since there’s less of them, I can read through them faster. And if there are no legitimate bad reviews, I’ll usually trust in the place.
Appropriate.
*Glances at wall of law licenses in office, peruses grossly inflated pay package, nods*
Not sure I’m seeing the problem.
* SLAP *
I am the Libertarian’s licensed slapper.
Wanna se my license?
No, I trust you. Just please stop slapping me.
Ya know, that is supposed to say Glibertarian’s …
* SELF SLAP *
Here lemme help you with that….I gots RC’s back.
An ALOA CML will get you a good size paycheck. Safe techs make more than welders. I mostly have a problem making the certification board a government agency.
I’m pleased to live in a state that doesn’t criminalize simple possession of lockpicking tools.
Although, if you have them and someone can prove you have criminal intent, that’s a paddlin’.
In most places, cops don’t seem to care unless they catch you in an alley at 1am. Texas will throw you in a cage though.
It’s sad seeing the industry want to take the lockpicks away from you though.
Well, average lay-people having lockpicks and accompanying knowledge sort of encroaches on their territory. I don’t begrudge them too much. I’ll just quietly keep them to myself in my giant purse.
What got me interested initially is this scene from what might be the greatest 90’s movie of all time–and constantly locking myself out of places. I’ve climbed in so many windows…
I’ve climbed in so many windows…
Yes, go on . . . .
*cues bow-chicka-wow-wow soundtrack*
I’ve climbed in so many windows…
Go on…
I would absolutely like to learn how to do it. As a yute, I worked at a car dealership and got pretty adept at opening cars, but that’s not nearly as cool as picking locks.
Lol–so many of my *own* windows, I guess I should have clarified.
I haven’t gotten to automotive lockpicking yet. I hear it’s a whole other thing.
Nah, don’t wreck it for us.
Back in the day, it was more brute force to open a car – usually a slim jim would do it. You just had to be careful not to fuck up the wiring harnesses. It was actually pretty easy.
Rake, torque tool. For most locks, it’s pretty easy. I opened a few here at work with some bent paper clips and apparently impressed some people. Now they’re scared of me.
Sure. Now they are.
Hey, it’s been a few years since that unfortunate penis incident, and we’ve had turnover.
unfortunate penis incident
What was unfortunate, the penis, or the incident?
What was unfortunate, the penis, or the incident?
Yes.
I lived on my friends couch for a bit in VT. We’d go to the bar, I’d leave early. I would end up picking my way into the apartment more often than I’d like to admit.
this scene from what might be the greatest 90’s movie
Alternatively you could just squeeze through the bars.
I lol’d. Haven’t seen that one before.
Are any of those cheap sets on Amazon any good? I thought about getting one that comes with the clear practice lock just for fun. I’ve opened locks before by making my own pick tool. It helps if you have a decent workshop and know how a tumbler works but having to make the tools can really slow down the process.
My practice lock had an incidious flaw – the first tumbler to bind was near the front and set low, so that trying to reach the next tumbler to bind would always knock it out of position.
I can’t find the specific set I got on Amazon, but yes. My set was cheap and I still have a lot of learning to do on them before I get more advanced tools.
In the old lockpicking forum I used to frequent, a lot of the hobbyists there made their own tools when they graduated from their beginner sets. Apparently the big industrial street sweeper brush bristles are highly sought after, so, the more you know, I guess!
Every locksmith has their own brand and type they prefer. I have used a few off amazon and found them to be fine. I like HPC for a brand. If you’re in a state that has no regulation, a shop in town may be willing to sell you a set.
You don’t need some crazy 20 piece set. I usually carry less than four. A rake pick as a go-to(top), a double half-ball (bottom) , a full double ball (snowman) for double sided auto locks, and a hook pick. A few tension wrenches, I usually just bend flat steel, and that’s it.
someone can prove you have criminal intent…
I was gonna ask how you go about doing that, but then pictured the line from Dirty Harry…
“DoomCo standing naked in an alley at midnight with his lockpicks and a hardon ain’t out collecting for Goodwill”
I cut keys on the side and I totally skirt regulation at all levels.
Are you talking about locks?
Yep. I made my own bump keys and have a key cutter at home. I can do most locks now.
Key bumping is a skill, man. I can pick a lock pretty quickly, but a coworker of mine could bump some things that seemed impossible.
Yeah it takes a LOT of practice. Especially if you have shitty keys.
He was a lot better when he used a piece of wood to hit the key. I don’t know if that was from the softness of the wood, but it seemed to make a huge difference.
Less rebound. Kind of like using a deadblow hammer.
makes sense, the other thing we used was the backside of a screwdriver.
Hmm I’m gonna have to try that
I actually have a cute little deadblow hammer that came with a set of bump keys. It’s a tiny rubber mallet head mounted on a flat spring handle.
It works as well as a screwdriver handle.
Thank you to my editor. This place is great, I appreciate it.
Do you have a posting license. How do I know that this article is to spec and doesn’t have fake news?
Licensing is a big problem for people leaving the military. Elizabeth Warren (yes, I know) is trying to get credentials for service member so they don’t have to go through the dog and pony show of credentialing. Of course she’s missing the larger point that the problem is made by local politicians and has more to do with protectionism than health and safety.
I think Warren knows exactly what she’s doing: it’s never about helping the general public, it’s about hewing out little voter blocs.
Isn’t it weird how close some people get to the right answer? She’s almost there, but can’t not let gov’t be the solution.
So we are supposed to believe Doom chose CO to practice his profession due to its licensing requirements and not other, um, recreational activities?
Interesting article.
Thanks for this. In my experience, the place that most people balk at accepting libertarianism as their political lord and savior is economics. It’s so deeply built into the minds of people on both sides of the aisle that the economy simply can’t function, or at least can’t function as well, without top to bottom state intervention of some kind, that people can’t even wrap their minds around any alternative. More articles on econ and the specific ways in which government actually muddies things up would be highly beneficial. This is an excellent, real-world example of that.
Thank you.
I’ve always been of the mindset that the tradesmen themselves have organization to set up ethics, training, standards and certification. Gov’t need not apply.
The market doesn’t provide monopolies, but government is there to address that failure.
But remember what Adam Smith had to say on the subject.
“People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices.”
It’s watchers bearing watching all the way down.
Not a story about locksmith licensing per se, but the vault where I used to work failed to open on a certain Monday morning. Our lock people sent out their safe cracker. After two days drilling exploratory holes and tinkering with the mechanism, he admitted he couldn’t get it unlatched. So corporate called in a concrete cutting company to drill a person-breadth hole through the 18″ wall.
Did they write a testimonial for the vault company?
But were they licensed?
Some of those vaults still use mechanical time locks. god damn.
There are some things that just aren’t going to be opened.
This was one. Three timepieces. The closer that day had the bright idea to jam a letter opener into the reset switch because they couldn’t get it to latch, or something. I’m still not sure what she was trying to accomplish.
“hi our safe (or door) won’t open.”
“was it doing anything odd yesterday/last time it was used?”
“oh it’s been getting worse for months.”
“…”
Disappointing, the whole “cutting” thing.
Sounds to me like the right tool for the job would have been some C-4.
I wish. That whole week was a goddamn mess. I wanted to dynamite the whole building by the end of it.
I tried to find a picture of my hand covered in graphite powder for the article, but couldn’t.
Please don’t use graphite on locks, it’s super messy and really only makes it worse.
OT – Why are comments disabled on the logo contest article?
Yeah, I was going to ask – at least you can still comment on the other…
I sent them a logo last week and never heard from anyone, I wanna ask if I need to resubmit. Of course them holding a logo design contest after I already sent them one seems kind of unnecessary, or it says something about my submission that I’d rather not dwell on.
Ther’re required by law, need 3 entries before they can pick yours.
…articles?
Right on doomco, good article. I own a locksmith business here in SF and can echo most of what you say. Here in California at least it is not as bad as NY and other places for licensing. Basically licensing is a joke here, just pay your fee and they run a background check and give you a license. You don’t need to prove any skills at all. Just another way for the state to take your money. Yelp (even tho I have some serious issues with them) and other online reviewing will give you a much better idea of who you are hiring.
Also, he is correct about scam locksmiths. Here it is a ring of Israelis and Russians. They put out hundreds of listings on google (used to do it with the phone book too) that have local phone numbers and fake addresses. You are really calling a phone center in. Florida or NY. They send out a scammer who will try and rob you blind for shitty work. Just last week I called back an old lady a few hours after she left me a message because I was slammed with jobs. The scammer had already gotten to her and charged her 1200 for a 200 buck job. I tried to get her to have her credit card company rescind the charge. I hate those ass holes robbing people. I have a number of insane locksmith stories.
If you ever head out to SF doomco hit me up. Cheers!
Good to see ya here! The scam stories suck, but I really don’t think there’s much the gov can do. It’s fraud, I suppose, and I tell people to put a stop payment on checks, or go through the credit card company to get that cash back.
The biggest problem we had was scammers trying to sneak in on our name. people would come in to complain we ripped them off. We can’t even find a record of them in our system. So we ask when they called, and it’d be several hours after we closed. We didn’t have the people to run 24/7, I don’t know if you do or not.
We had to get involved a lot to try to get them their money back.
Agreed, there is not much the government can do aside from prosecuting the fraudsters. They seem to have trouble even handling that, surprise, surprise.
Yeah, I also had one of the scammers steal my address a few years back on google maps. Took me a few months to get them to fix it. I hate those rat bastards.
When I get out to SF, I’ll have to get a drink with you.
There should be an easier way to get control on google. the way they sell ads to them suck.