Tuesday Morning Links

You guys deserve a solid links today.  Let’s see if I can deliver or if you’ll have to wait until the afternoon to get them.

It was immoral then. And its immoral now.
The look one deserves if one hasn’t seen Jaws

Those are the links.  Now its time for me to walk away and get on with the rest of my day.  I see a zoo in my immediate future.  And three kids that all want to go in a different direction.  Wish me luck.

Comments

285 responses to “Tuesday Morning Links”

  1. Just a thought not a sermon

    5) I was thinking about Trump’s allegations that Obama tapped his phones, and I’ve come to the conclusion it’s a message to Obama, and has very little to do with the rest of America. That message to Obama is: Stop hanging around D.C. Get out of town. Take your family. Because if you want to stay and watch the shitshow, I’m going to make you *part* of the shitshow.

    1. waffles

      GO HOME AND BE A FAMILY MAN

    2. Suthenboy

      I think you are right. What Obama is up to doesnt make sense to me. There is no shit that Obama can stir up about Trump that wont eventually mean digging deep into Obama’s shenanigans.

      1. Trigger Hippie

        I said right before the inauguration that Obama simply wouldn’t go quietly into the night. His narcissistic ego plus an eager audience of sycophants ready to regurgitate his every musing simply won’t allow him to.

    3. No, I’m pretty sure its because the Obama admin had his phones tapped. The evidence has been out there for some time. Trump just chose that particular moment to go off about it.
      He couldn’t care less if Obama sticks around DC. In fact, the closer Obama is to the WH the better. It gives him a local target to attack.

      1. Viking1865

        The cognitive dissonance on this has been staggering from the jump. People who were a couple weeks ago excitedly telling me how the “intelligence community” had totally spied on the Demon Drumpf and he was gonna be frogmarched any minute now because ZOMG RUSSIANS are now telling me that Drumpf is just being paranoid for suggesting to that he was spied on.

        Like, two weeks ago it was household knowledge that the NSA and CIA had all the dirt on Trump, and it was the story of the week, but now only crazy people believe that Trump was spied on.

      2. John Titor

        Especially the last part. One of the things a lot of people have ignored in breaking down the election is that Obama himself is just as responsible for getting Trump elected as Clinton is. He spent eight years trying to drag the country down a road that most didn’t want to travel, encouraged divisive rhetoric as much as he could, refused to connect Islam with terrorism, played the stereotypical DC elitist passing on his wisdom to the plebs, etc. He could certainly pull in the votes during an election, but both his terms have thoroughly delegitimized that style of governance.

      3. Zero Sum Game

        I’m with you on this one, Sloopy. He chose this time specifically because the media has been throwing out baseless Russia allegations against his entire cabinet and this was its own salvo in distraction politics. He knew that they would scream their heads off and, at least for a few days, stop screaming about shadowy Russians behind every rock and corner.

        I do think he wants Obama out of Washington, but I don’t think it bothers him overmuch either. It is an unprecedented level of dickheadery, at least in my recollection of other administrations.

        1. Bobarian LMD

          Jimmah did meddle some during the early part of the Clinton presidency. He somehow injected himself into the regular NK sabre rattling that occurs every few years.

          Although Clinton, doing what he usually did, jumped out in front of whatever was happening and claimed credit.

      4. Chipwooder

        Yup. Obama gives him a convenient foil and a vehicle by which to rile up his most slavish supporters. Obama is the unifying agent, as Eric Hoffer described in The True Believer.

    4. straffinrun

      “The intelligence agencies are unimpeachable”. It’s like they don’t think we remember what they said in the run up to the Iraq war.

      1. Suthenboy

        Or in the congressional hearings on mass surveillance.

        1. straffinrun

          *I gave the least untruthful answer I could*

          That should be tattooed on his forehead.

        2. Zero Sum Game

          Yeah, this one makes me laugh. Fucking Clapper gets trotted back out, claiming that Obama didn’t order any spying and the media (Dems) cheered. Everyone else cheered when Clapper said that there was no evidence of Russian involvement.

          I’ll cheer when that lying piece of shit is not trotted out for any reason whatsoever. He has no credibility.

          1. straffinrun

            If you want to make a case for white privilege, use that creepy sumbitch.

          2. Chipwooder

            This. How the hell does any media organization cite the words of James Clapper with a straight face?

      2. Zero Sum Game

        Or all of the other world leaders Obama spied on.

        1. Count Potato

          He also spied on U.S. journalists.

      3. Count Potato

        Could some explain why we need all this redundant mess:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Intelligence_Community#Members

        It doesn’t seem intelligent. If I had to guard something, I’d choose a pack of the same breed of dog, over a bunch of different animals.

        1. straffinrun

          Clicking on that just put me on 17 separate lists.

    5. Thymirus

      Disseminating evidence of Obama’s personal involvement in unlawful surveillance might serve as an effective way to disabuse his less fanatical supporters of their misconceptions. It won’t convince rabid leftists, considering their insanity, but moderates may rethink their Democratic advocacy. Or is that too much to hope for?

      1. Chafed

        I’m with you but suspect it’s too much to hope for.

    6. Rufus the Monocled

      I’m curious to see what Potsie is up to. It’s not just Obama hanging around that’s weird, that Holder is speaking about ‘he’s coming’ is just as retarded.

  2. Suthenboy

    The various calls for segregation by black organizations are a bit puzzling to me. The only reason I can think of for them doing it is that none of them have ever seen segregation.

    1. Count Potato

      Yes, I don’t think old black people would support it.

      Also, since most people aren’t black, I don’t see how only teaching CPR to black people could help black people.

    2. Glitterstorm

      We’ve been in a post Jim Crow era for almost 60 years. They’ve never seen it.

  3. “It even goes so far as to lament that in some places under 20% of whites (gasp) voted for Obama in 2008.”

    And presumably, when the Democrats nominated white woman in 2016, these same places gave more votes to the Democrats?

  4. Just a thought not a sermon

    ” But you won’t read about this in the Washington Post. Because the group is York University’s Black Student Alliance that is only offering CPR to black students.”

    To be fair, they’re only offering TRAINING in CPR to black students. It’s not like they would actually refuse CPR to an ailing white student, presumably.

    1. To be fair

      I bet your hair is beautiful, isn’t it?

      1. Noodlez

        Burn!!!!!!!!
        High five.

    2. straffinrun

      I believe you meant the Heimlich maneuver. Cough it up, White boy.

    3. Rufus the Monocled

      I see a Seinfeld-Newman scene…for blacks.

    4. Rufus the Monocled

      To be fair nothing. Imagine if they offered courses to just ‘whites.’

      Irish need not apply.

    5. leonadasiv

      Meh, I’m OK with this. It’s a black advocacy group, so I get them only wanting to provide training to blacks. I think what really upsets most people about this is how it is not seen as fiercely racist, whereas you can’t even have a white advocacy group without being called a Nazi.

      1. Rufus the Monocled

        Yeh. That’s another way to look at it.

    1. Sure, she pleads guilty to poisoning his “cereal, energy drinks and even whipped cream” – but guess what the headline focuses on?

      Anti-Irish bigots.

      1. Suthenboy

        Her being on the lam in Mehico?

    2. Just a thought not a sermon

      Sounds like she replaced the blue moons with blue balls.

      1. “Pink hearts
        Yellow Moons
        Orange stars
        Green clovers
        Blue diamonds
        and Purple horseshoes”
        IIRC.

        1. I’m surprised some retarded ass consumer advocacy group hasn’t come out and demanded they change them from blue diamonds because it might be confused with viagra and then you’d end up with kids hooked on the stuff walking around with boners all day in elementary school.

          1. Suthenboy

            “Walking around with boners all day”

            *Thinks back on school days*

            How is that any different than the current situation?

    3. leonadasiv

      *Checks bowl of cereal* good thing I picked the fruit loops today.

    4. Bobarian LMD

      Looks like the work…

      *Dons Sunglasses*

      of a cereal killer.

      1. *narrows gaze*

  5. U.S. Republicans unveil plan to dismantle Obamacare, critics pounce

    “Today marks an important step toward restoring healthcare choices and affordability back to the American people,” the White House said in a statement, adding Trump looked forward to working with Congress on replacing Obamacare.

    Republicans condemn Obamacare as government overreach, and Trump has called it a “disaster.”

    Critics complained about the penalty the law charged those who refused to buy insurance. The Republican proposal would repeal that penalty immediately.

    Congressional Democrats denounced the Republican plan, saying it would hurt Americans by requiring them to pay more for healthcare, to the benefit of insurers.

    Obamacare is popular in many states, even some controlled by Republicans. It has brought health insurance coverage to about 20 million previously uninsured Americans, although premium increases have angered some.

    1. Viking1865

      Is it longer than a page?

    2. Chipwooder

      Obamacare is popular in many states, even some controlled by Republicans

      Oh, bullshit. Individual elements of Obamacare are popular in some places, but in few of them is the entire rancid package as a whole popular.

    3. Chafed

      Apparently it’s bad to have a plan that makes consumers pay more for insurance but only if the other side makes you do it.

    4. Brochettaward

      Republicans really are fucking worthless.

  6. John Titor

    Say what you want about War of the Worlds, those tripod designs were bloody fantastic.

    1. Count Potato

      This one, which also had It also had tripodal spacecraft, is far superior:

      http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0046534/

      1. John Titor

        Naw, no legs (admittedly this was limitations of the special effects technology), goofy alien design (not that the Spielberg design was better). Heat ray was good though.

        1. Count Potato

          They didn’t? I haven’t seen it in a long time.

          http://www.gratispdf.nl/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/awarworlds-593×1024.jpg

          1. John Titor

            They’re like manta-ray ship things. I like the 1953 movie more than the modern remake, but the designs are a little too 50s cheese for me. Spielberg’s tripod is pretty much exactly what I imagined when I read the book as a kid, but more terrifying.

  7. PieInTheSKy

    I mean Jaws isn’t exactly Piranha 3D, but it ain’t bad

    1. Mike Schmidt

      Sharknado is the far superior film

  8. Just a thought not a sermon

    This Slate article made me laugh and laugh.

    He’s not only cutting essential services, but the environmental justice program is on the table.

    Oh noes!

    I think my favorite part is how the article lists various ways the EPA has failed to address environmental programs in minority neighborhoods for decades, and that’s why cutting the EPA budget is going to worsen the environment in those neighborhoods.

      1. The phrase is “Women, Minorities Hardest Hit.”

      2. Agent Cooper

        Slate? Slate?

        Ugh.

    1. PieInTheSKy

      To be fare can you do anything without disproportionately hurting minorities?

      Environmental justice office…

      1. You could bomb a Brooks Brothers store. That wouldn’t disproportionately hurt minorities.

        Or a Lynyrd Skynyrd concert at a county fair.

        1. PieInTheSKy

          But… but … the bombing would release stuff in the atmosphere and that hurts minorities worse than someone being blown up.

          1. PieInTheSKy

            To be fair I’m kinda reaching here … Have to think of something better.

        2. Chipwooder

          Brooks Brothers, Lululemon, Williams Sonoma, the audience at a performance of Hamilton, etc.

      2. Mr Lizard

        Orbital bombardments?

        1. That is your answer to everything!!!!

          1. UnCivilServant

            When all you have is an exterminatus button…

      3. To be fare can you do anything without disproportionately hurting minorities?

        Some food for thought.

        1. PieInTheSKy

          Spelling shaming is not OK, not all people are privileged.

          1. Bobarian LMD

            To be fare…

            Ask not for whom the toll booth tolls, it tolls for thee!

    2. PieInTheSKy

      I could never understand this uncritical view of “any regulation is good regulation ” by some. Even if they really thing something needs regulating, it is obvious there are better and worse ways of going about it. You very often could get the same effect with less bureaucracy or economic damage. But that does not even enter thought. Its more regulation for the sake of regulation, no regulation can be undone no mater how bad etc. All regulations have good intentions therefore are good, all who oppose them have bad intentions therefore are bad. Or something.

      1. UnCivilServant

        I’ve had a less than fully productive debate with people who were of the honest opinion that if the food inspectors were done away with, restaurants would be deliberately poisoning their customers to save a buck.

        They failed to grasp the counter-argument that any business owner who did that would be out of business and out a lot more than the cost of not poisoning the people who paid him.

      2. Viking1865

        I could never understand this uncritical view of “any regulation is good regulation ” by some.

        IMO your average rank and file prog, who sneers at going to church, substitutes government for god. Asking a prog to do a cost benefit calculation for regulation is like asking a snake handling Pentecostal to do a cost benefit analysis on religious strictures.

        There will never, ever, ever be enough regulation. This is is the intellectual movement that, at the final extremity, will send people to death camps because owning chickens and selling the eggs to the other people in your poor ass village is engaging in capitalist exploitation.

        1. robc

          I think the Pentecostal could handle it just fine: Soul >>> Life, so the risk of death is nothing compared to the value of the eternal soul.

      3. straffinrun

        “Government regulations” certainly sounds like a misnomer. The don’t really regulate government, do they.

  9. Byron York: The information vacuum deep inside the Trump Russia controversy

    Put aside, for a moment, the raging controversies over this or that aspect of Donald Trump, the Russians and the election. And then ask: What do we know about the allegation at the heart of the matter: Did Trump, his campaign aides or his associates collude with Russians to influence the 2016 campaign?

    The answer is, we know nothing. After all the investigating, after all the talk, after all the yelling — the public knows nothing. There may be people at the highest levels of U.S. government secrecy who know the answer, but even that is not clear at the moment.

    The most definitive statement of the current situation came Sunday on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” James Clapper, the former director of national intelligence, admitted that he does not know of any evidence that proves collusion, or even points toward collusion.

    1. Suthenboy

      The entire premise is absurd. If the Ruskies hacked our election (no one seems to know what ‘hacked’ actually means) then why did Hillary win the popular election? Wouldn’t the popular election be easier to manipulate while the electoral college nearly impossible?

      1. Chipwooder

        And beyond that, if there were any actual evidence of any Russian collusion with Trump, it would have been broadcast far and wide a long time ago. Why would the bureaucrats and Dem operatives who despise Trump sit on such information if it existed?

      2. Count Potato

        Another thing, is that why would the Russians prefer Trump over Hillary, and her stupid reset button? Obama was very soft on Russia. The Democrats even laughed at Romney for saying that they were a concern.

        1. UnCivilServant

          The one thing that would make it rational for the Russians to not want Hillary was the idea that she wanted war with Russia. But the people who believe the Russians meddled in the election don’t believe that her foreign policy would lead to war with Russia.

          1. Count Potato

            True, she did say she wanted to impose a no fly zone over Syria.

        2. JaimeRoberto

          Furthermore, if you were pro-Russia, you would be anti-fracking and anti-pipeline. Democrats are more likely to take those positions.

      3. Agent Cooper

        No the divide in votes (say in California) is too large overall. You’d have to fraudulently swing 3 million or so votes. The key would be to just leverage a few key areas (MIchigan, Wisconsin) and have the EC votes go to Trump instead of Clinton — less votes to turn. Nevertheless, I don’t believe any of this happened.

        The media still can’t get outside of their bubble to see that a lot of people were just that fed up to vote for him.

        1. Count Potato

          Even if the Russians were responsible. And that’s a big “if”. The wikileaks were too inside baseball. Anyone who follows politics that closely already knew that the DNC was in the tank for Hillary and Podesta was a sleazeball. So I doubt it affected anyone’s vote.

  10. Denial ain’t just a river in Egypt.

    The Middlebury professor who got injured in a mob attack speaks out against the attackers, but adds this:

    “To people who wish to spin this story as one about what’s wrong with elite colleges and universities, you are mistaken. Please instead consider this as a metaphor for what is wrong with our country, and on that, Charles Murray and I would agree. This was the saddest day of my life. We have got to do better by those who feel and are marginalized. Our 230-year constitutional democracy depends on it, especially when our current President is blind to the evils he has unleashed.”

    h/t Rico Suave at the other site

    1. PieInTheSKy

      the evils he has unleashed – antifa?

    2. straffinrun

      “I would like to call upon America to be more careful with its trust … and prevent those … because of short-sightedness and still others out of self-interest, from falsely using the struggle for peace and for social justice to lead you down a false road. Because they are trying to weaken you; they are trying to disarm your strong and magnificent country in the face of this fearful threat. … I call upon you: ordinary working men of America … do not let yourselves become weak.”
      — Alexander Solzhenitsyn
      June 30, 1975

    3. leonadasiv

      She is right about our current president unleashing hate, and that hate being what broke her neck. It’s just that she overlooks that the hate is by people who hate the president and anyone who disagrees with them.

      1. Rufus the Monocled

        How did Trump ‘unleash hate’ that culminated into their violent behaviour?

        And fuck her.

        1. Rufus the Monocled

          By that, by coming up with that bull shit in trying to pin this on some level to Trump. Everyone is their own moral and intellectual agency. To suggest a person they perceive to be spreading hate *helped* caused this is grotesque. It makes me want to pull her hair….but I won’t. Because I’m not an idiot.

          1. Listen, shitlord. These people are too stupid to have agency. That’s why we must always elect people from their political side of the aisle. The alternative is them always reacting with violence when they don’t get their way. So its better to placate them than to tell them to grow up and to throw them in prison when they riot.

            -what I think a lot of academics really believe about the left.

        2. leonadasiv

          It was a joke. I meant he unleashed hate in a Pandora’s Box kinda way. His election caused hateful people to begin to riot. I was trying to emphasise the way the responsibility for actions is passed from the instigator (rioters) to the object of their rage (Trump).

          I can see why it didn’t read that way.

          1. Rufus the Monocled

            Ha!. You’re right! Thanks.

    4. We have got to do better by those who feel and are marginalized. Our 230-year constitutional democracy depends on it, especially when our current President is blind to the evils he has unleashed.”

      You can’t condemn these violent thugs without also condemning President Trump for running for office. After all, what other purpose was there for it but to incite violence from radical leftists?

      I bet she’s a big fan of Shikha Dalmia’s twitter feed.

      1. Zero Sum Game

        I bet she’s a big fan of Shikha Dalmia’s twitter feed.

        I’m not sure how anyone could be. Every time I open it, this is all I see.

        1. Count Potato

          LOL

    5. Just Say’n

      She had to add virtue signaling at the end, otherwise the little Maoists would come back to finish her off. If Trump’s Education Department would just start de-funding these universities, I would happily wear a MAGA hat and praise Cheetos Mussolini.

  11. Kevin Drum: Trump Really Did Win 28% of the Latino Vote

    Trump received 46 percent of the popular vote in 2016 compared to 47 percent for Romney in 2012. That’s a loss of one percentage point. However, the exit poll for the white vote is based on a large, widely distributed sample, so it’s pretty reliable—and it shows that Trump lost two points of the white vote compared to Romney. This means that Trump must have gained roughly one point among all the other groups in order to come out only one point behind in the overall vote.

    So if Trump gained one point among the non-white vote, the only way he could have done substantially worse than 28 percent among Latinos is if he did substantially better among blacks and Asians. It’s the only way the arithmetic works. How likely is that?

    1. Chipwooder

      Media types tend not to realize that illegal immigration really isn’t a motivating issue for many Latinos who are second generation or further removed from the old country. I have an old friend from Texas whose ancestry is Mexican, but his ancestors have been Texans since the 19th century. A prospective member of La Raza, he ain’t. Except for his skin color and name, he’s a typical Texas good ol’ boy who lives for hunting, football, and big ass pickup trucks.

  12. Trigger Hippie

    http://m.myleaderpaper.com/mobile/columns/patrick_martin/why-not-allow-guns-in-legislative-gallery/article_d8401124-f948-11e6-a8de-c7c43216c24a.html

    “There is at least one freedom-loving brand new representative who sees this inequity for what it is. That would be state Rep. Nick Schroer (R-O’Fallon), a St. Charles County rep who pre-filed House Bill 96 before he had even been sworn in this year.
    Schroer’s bill would make business owners who post “No guns allowed” signs on their doors responsible for the safety of gun owners forced to leave their pieces outside. Should something happen to them inside that might have been prevented by their iron, they could sue the prissy pants off those who posted the signs.”

    Okay. I have a problem with this sentiment. First and foremost, you, nobody else, is ultimately responsible for your own protection. That includes making the decision to frequent a business who’s owner doesn’t wish to have firearms on their property. Don’t like it? Don’t shop there. Trying to hold the business owner liable seems to be another example of forced public accommodation.

    Am I off base here?

    1. Viking1865

      Nope. But this is sort of a rising movement on the Right: make them play by their own rules. If we have to have forced public accommodations, if Connie Christian Baker has to bake a gay wedding cake, then Paul the Proggy Coffee Shop owner can suck it up and tolerate my sidearm.

      1. Jimbo

        Exactly. Play by their rules until it leaves their anus bloody.

    2. I agree, TH. People who don’t want to patronize these businesses, don’t have to. If they do, they should comply with the owner’s rules. And if when on the premises, they are in a situation where they wish they’d brought their gun, well, they had fair warning that wasn’t an option.

      Sometimes a property owner’s carelessness gets so extreme that he might be legitimately held accountable for crime on his premises, but normally the onus of the crime should just be on the criminal.

    3. Suthenboy

      You aren’t off base at all. I would add that this spiteful measure also violates private property rights. If Joe Shmoe doesnt want me carrying on his property he should have that say.

    4. I think you can still carry in the Virginia legislature’s galleries. Texas too, IIRC.

      1. Viking1865

        We had a proggy freakout because a legislator accidentally left his gun in a meeting room. A NoVA proggy legislator found it and tried to make it a “LOL RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNERSHIP AMIRIGHT?!?!!” moment. It failed, because guns are cool and half the liberals in this country agree that they are, so the hoplophobes are completely marginalized.

        1. Zero Sum Game

          No children around… guns don’t just go off on their own, not even a problem worth considering. Idiots.

          1. Viking1865

            No children around

            Eh, I mean we do seat the legislators from the NoVA, so there are mentally fragile people running around for sure.

            The woman who found the gun

            “My Northern Virginia heart went pitter-patter,” Sen. Jennifer T. Wexton, D-Loudoun, said of her discovery in an interview Thursday.

            Ick! It’s scary!

            If Trump wants my vote in 2020, he will get it if he builds a big beautiful wall alongside I66.

          2. Fuck that. It needs to be just south of Potomac Mills and go all the way out to Warrenton.

          3. Chipwooder

            I wish we could force Maryland to annex Fairfax, Loudon, and Prince William counties.

          4. trshmnstr

            he will get it if he builds a big beautiful wall alongside I66.

            Let’s at least carve out the battlefield, nobody lives there and it’s a nice reminder of a simpler time!

            *cries self-interested tears at the prospect of being locked into a walled DC city-state*

      2. Chipwooder

        I’m sure you can since that piece of shit Joe Morrisey never faced charges for waving an AK around during the GA session a couple of years ago in an attempt to drum up support for gun control.

    5. leonadasiv

      I agree, however there is an aspect where business will socialize security costs onto local police forces, which they ought to provide for themselves. Also, by asking Patrons to disarm, I think it could be argued that these business are assuming some responsibility for said patrons protection.

    6. robc

      I like the KY rule on those signs. They have no legal meaning. If someone carries on your property AND you happen to notice, you can ask them to leave and if they dont, then they are trespassing. But it has nothing to do with the firearm/sign.

      For those that argue different, from a somewhat valid (except I am about to destroy it) libertarian position, my counterargument is that my weapon is on my body, which is MY property, so it isn’t on the business owners property. So there is no property rights issue.

      1. Jimbo

        Don’t bring sex into a gun thread. SMDH!

      2. trshmnstr

        he will get it if he builds a big beautiful wall alongside I66.

        Let’s at least carve out the battlefield, nobody lives there and it’s a nice reminder of a simpler time!

        *cries self-interested tears at the prospect of being locked into a walled DC city-state*

        1. trshmnstr

          dafuq? How did this reply end up here?

    7. Count Potato

      I agree. It’s a stupid law. A private business should be allowed to prohibit whatever they want on their own property. That being said, I don’t see how putting up a “No Guns Allowed” sign could accomplish anything good. It’s not going to prevent crime. And it might discourage business from gun owners.

    8. Agent Cooper

      It’s Republican-brand government overreach.

  13. Volkswagen’s Driverless Creation is Everything That Scares People About Autonomous Cars

    Bland. Featureless. Personalized but not romantic or stirring in any sense of the word. The act of being driven, rather than driving one’s self. A wheeled computer, which would abide by every dictate of the ruling authorities, built with the sole purpose of carting your sorry butt around to places you’re obligated to visit. No off-roading abilities.

    All of these characteristics likely jibe with the features certain car enthusiasts despise about autonomous vehicles. To them, it’s an automotive version of the creamless coffee flavored with artificial sweetener that appears in Orwell’s 1984. It does the trick — it gets you around, in this case — but it does so without passion, without involvement, without enjoyment. To this crowd, each autonomous concept and Level 2 driver’s aid brings us a step closer to a future foretold in the 1981 Rush song Red Barchetta. A future where certain classes of vehicles — perhaps all human-driven vehicles — are outlawed out of concern for public safety.

    Thunderbird? Firebird? No. Sedric.

    1. Pope Jimbo

      Are you trying to lure John here? Get him ranting about how no true manly man would ever let his car drive himself?

      By the way, has John posted here yet?

      1. Not that I’m aware of…

        1. Juvenile Bluster

          Thank f*ck for that.

          1. I probably agree with John on more things than I would care to admit. But his argumentative style – pedantic and the sudden turns to nastiness – were tiresome. He “wins” his arguments by continuing them until the other party walks away in frustration.

          2. Juvenile Bluster

            I was generally fine with him (and agreed with him on more things than not) for the longest time. But he’s gotten more and more annoyingly argumentative, and his whole “HOW DARE YOU SAY THIS IS A FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION ISSUE AND NOT A FREEDOM OF RELIGION ISSUE” about gay cakes was way over the top.

          3. straffinrun

            His strenuous defense of pizzagate dropped my estimation of him a few notches.

          4. Juvenile Bluster

            Wait, he defended Pizzagate? Don’t remember that.

          5. Viking1865

            His strenuous defense of pizzagate dropped my estimation of him a few notches.

            I mean, would I be surprised if Pizzagate was true?

            Yes.

            But would I be shocked?

            No.

          6. straffinrun

            When it first broke, he was saying something along the lines of, “Did you read what those emails say? It’s clear as day.” If you want, I could search for it, but hopefully someone remembers the thread.

          7. straffinrun

            Here’s the thread. That took a while to find. Damn, John posts a lot.

          8. straffinrun

            John: There is no way that email is anything other than what it seems. Does it alone prove Podesta guilty of a crime? No it does not because it doesn’t say he actually went to the party and did anything. It is, however, pretty compelling evidence that he is. And certainly compelling enough to justify the police investigating whether he is.

          9. Pope Jimbo

            I didn’t have too many issues with John, but you are right about him just dialing the argument up to 11 and then declaring victory when the other person walks away.

            The issue that bothered me the most was his insistence that all driverless cars were evil and that anyone who wanted one was a commie.

            I still wouldn’t lump him in with the other trolls though. He was a couple notches above that.

          10. Bobarian LMD

            It is all a matter of the subject with John, though. The one that really got me was body armor.

            John went frickin insane. Because we can all have guns, nobody should be allowed body armor.

            For probably six hours.

            You could drop in to the thread anywhere and post another turd bomb and John would respond in 15 minutes.

          11. John Titor

            I have no problem with John’s arguments, and a lot of them actually promote discussion. The problem is that he’s a cunt. As soon as you disagree with him strongly he just cranks himself up to 11 and starts freaking out about how stupid you are and all that. He seems to think shouting down opponents is a winning strategy, when in reality it actually makes him come off way worse.

          12. Scruffy Nerfherder

            Bingo. John’s pretty smart. And for all his accusations of everyone else being Asperger’s, I think he’s on the spectrum. He argues like an Aspie. It’s condescending and grating.

          13. I have an arsenal of cat butts ready if he, or anyone else tries that crap here. Disagree all you want – but start the wall of text, and raving insults that murder a thread … KITTEH HINEY.

          14. Chipwooder

            Yup. I’m on the same side as John on more issues than the opposite side, and he can have compelling arguments, but the guy can never back down in the slightest no matter what the counterargument is. When he’s proven to be wrong, he just digs in and will never concede anything.

            FWIW, I’m completely on his side on autonomous vehicles, at least as it’s usually envisioned. If I don’t have control of my vehicle, then someone else does. That means they have control of my movements. I find that revolting.

          15. Scruffy Nerfherder

            Swissie, you just hate well-reasoned opinions and that’s because you’re a socialist at heart (did I mention you’re probably an idiot?)

            *readies anti-cat-butt missile defense system*

          16. *stands to applaud Scruffy*

          17. John Titor

            Disagree all you want – but start the wall of text, and raving insults that murder a thread

            Well if he wants to do that he can just go over to the Other Site and argue with Tony, PB and Dan O., who seem to be in ascendancy.

          18. Chipwooder

            Well, of course they’re in ascendency, they’re the TRUE libertarians. Just ask them.

      2. John Titor

        He seems to think you need to be invited to come here. He might figure it out eventually, but he seems to be having fun yelling at trolls and chemjeff on the other site.

        1. Francisco d’Anconia

          Do nothing to alter his belief.

    2. Suthenboy

      Where in hell would one find streets smooth enough to drive that thing on? The wheel guards would be torn off inside of 100 yards around here.

      1. UnCivilServant

        The same is true here – winter rips up the roads on an annual basis.

    3. Thymirus

      Here’s footage of a real car to counteract the painful sight of that monstrosity:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT3rbwXUXKo

      1. Tundra

        Ahhhhhh. Much better, now.

        Thanks!

        1. Thymirus

          Here’s an additional video (the soundtrack will arouse you):

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_yX8KkESmM

          1. Thymirus

            How about Italian AND American?

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r79BXCZii4

            Skip to 0:25 for the music.

          2. Tundra

            Mama mia! Now that’s a spicy meatball!

        1. Thymirus

          That’s incredible. The closest of my own experiences to that is when some guy in one of the earlier Challenger Hellcats decided to floor it on the highway from his tame, calm cruise (I was the second car behind him, and watched him break loose). It wasn’t stock, not even close. The sound was heavenly.

          1. That’s Chris Chow’s car – a quarter mile run can be seen here
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1moBIuDipg

    4. Michael

      That looks like the ideal conveyance for mobile revolutionary struggle sessions.

    5. Scruffy Nerfherder

      It looks like a robot turd.

    6. Mainer

      It’s simple. Cars are freedom. Progs hate freedom. That’s why they love trains. Autonomous cars are just trains by another name.

  14. Thymirus

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/03/07/thaad-deployment-threat-stokes-us-tensions-with-beijing-moscow.html

    THAAD deployment threat stokes US tensions with Beijing, Moscow

    The U.S. decision to send equipment needed to set up a controversial missile defense system in South Korea is likely to add to tensions with Beijing and Moscow, countries that have spoken out in the past about deploying the system.

    China said Tuesday it would take measures against the U.S. missile system deployed in South Korea, and that the U.S. and Seoul would bear the consequences.

    “China firmly opposes the deployment of THAAD,” Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang said. “We will definitely be taking necessary measures to safeguard our own security interest. All consequences entailed from that will be borne by the U.S. and (South Korea). We once again strongly urge the relevant sides to stop the process of deployment and refrain from going further down that wrong path.”

    Lou Yuan, an outspoken, retired Chinese general, wrote in the Global Times, a state-run paper, that the Chinese military “could conduct a surgical hard-kill operation that would destroy the target, paralyzing it and making it unable to hit back,” The New York Times reported.

    1. “We forbid you to defend yourself against anyone!”

      Sod off, China.

      1. Thymirus

        You lay off, you mean meanie libertard meanie-face! *Strokes own crotch.* China. Mmm!

        /Thomas Friedman.

  15. Viking1865

    We have got to do better by those who feel and are marginalized.

    I think this kind of shit is the craziest thing about the Left nowadays.

    You have Hollywood. You have the mass media. You have pop culture. You have the academy. You have the (enormous, giant, far reaching) bureaucracy. You have the public school systems. You have every single fucking thing under your control.

    But you still wanna wrap yourself in the mantle of fighting the oppressor?

    In an alternate timeline where Hillary! is POTUS, a drone strike vaporizes some kind of right wing group of kooks in the Mountain West, and the Left cheers how the plucky underdog federal government has vanquished the Dark Network of Global Oppression that is 9 toothless Klansman in a trailer in Idaho.

    1. Suthenboy

      Revolutions can never end comrade.

    2. Bob Boberson

      Somewhat off topic but your post made me recall a conversation I had with an LEO acquaintance recently. While I think your average small town cop generally leans right in their politics, they are ready to freak the fuck out over the sovereign citizens movement. Like the spector of mooslim terrorizers, they see the SCM as a vast network of sophisticated conspirators that will attack the police station Red Dawn style at any moment rather than a loose affiliation of weirdos. While most of the cops I know are very anti-clinton they sure seem ready and willing to be used by the left to root out the phantom militias.

    3. Mainer

      Obama was fighting The Man, doncha know. It’s alway 1968.

  16. Pope Jimbo

    In some good news Minnesoda once again voted against conforming to the Fed’s Real ID requirements.

    My state senator Warren Limmer voted against it for the right reasons (“why give the Feds more power?”).

    I am crossing my fingers and hoping that we have a showdown with the Feds and the TSA about this next year about whether they would try telling a bunch of citizens that they can’t travel because they don’t have the right type of ID.

  17. Thymirus

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/06/house-republicans-release-obamacare-replacement-bill.html

    House Republicans release long-awaited ObamaCare replacement bill

    House Republicans on Monday evening released the text of their long-awaited ObamaCare replacement bill, proposing to eliminate the various taxes and penalties tied to the original legislation while still preserving certain patient protections.

    Aiming to deliver on their signature campaign promise after several election cycles trying to reclaim control of Washington, majority Republicans unveiled what they call the American Health Care Act. The sweeping legislation would repeal ObamaCare’s taxes along with the so-called individual and employer mandates – which imposed fines for not buying and offering insurance, respectively.

    It also would repeal the Affordable Care Act’s subsidies, replacing them with tax credits for consumers.

    However, Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., said the bill “looks like ObamaCare Lite to me … It’s going to have to be better.”

    1. Juvenile Bluster

      It’s a shitty bill that keeps around everything bad about Obamacare, just calls it different things.

      The GOP was perfectly willing to vote on a full repeal of Obamacare when they knew it would get vetoed. Now that they control both the legislative and executive branches, they give us this steaming pile of shit.

      1. Viking1865

        I will say that I am seeing the grassroots Trump supporters not falling for it. They’re calling Ryan a globalist shill, a cuck, and urging people to support Rand Paul’s plan.

      2. The Elite Elite

        Yup. The Republicans once again show they are completely worthless. Yet another thing to wave in front of the people that constantly scream every election that you absolutely must vote for the Republicans.

  18. straffinrun

    Sources: Wash. Post employee allegedly impersonated ICE agent; guns found at his Md. home

    According to those court documents, Itai Ozderman, 35, impersonated an ICE officer throughout Falls Church, Virginia, on more than one occasion. During those alleged fantasy world skits, police say the five-foot-seven, 160 pound phony federal agent sported a bulletproof vest with an ICE placard and also touted a Baltimore County Police Department badge.

  19. Thymirus

    http://libertyparkpress.com/as-trump-admin-promises-kept-will-president-consider-2a-proposals/

    As Trump Admin Promises Kept, Will President Consider 2A Proposals?

    In his first day on the job, newly-sworn Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke reversed a last-minute Obama administration order to prohibit lead ammunition and sinkers on national wildlife refuges and other federal lands.

    President Donald Trump last week also signed an order reversing an Obama administration rule that had the Social Security Administration providing information on individuals with mental disabilities to the National Instant Background Check System. Even the American Civil Liberties Union and National Alliance on Mental Illness had opposed the Obama requirement.

    Sportsmen are cheering the lead ammunition reversal. But there is more to this than just a win for the so-called “gun lobby.” Here’s what Zinke said when he undid the 11th hour ban announced by Obama’s Interior Secretary Dan Ashe:

    “After reviewing the order and the process by which it was promulgated, I have determined that the order is not mandated by any existing statutory or regulatory requirement and was issued without significant communication, consultation or coordination with affected stakeholders.”

    1. Suthenboy

      New king, new decrees.

    2. “*Even* the American Civil Liberties Union and National Alliance on Mental Illness had opposed the Obama requirement.” [emphasis added]

      Under normal circumstances that should read “the American Civil Liberties Union and National Alliance on Mental Illness *in particular* opposed” etc.

      1. leonadasiv

        Yeah well the second amendment isn’t a civil liberty, but free college is!

      2. Thymirus

        The ACLU’s definitive progressive slant has made them somewhat notorious among gun-rights advocates, and rightly so.

    3. Jefe Hayek

      Really concerned we are going to miss a big opportunity to repeal some of the worst anti-2A legislation. Pretty much aligns with my thoughts on the election right after it happened; lots of bluster, not much concrete.

      1. Thymirus

        I’d start with the NFA.

        1. Jefe Hayek

          Same here, but it’s looking increasingly likely the HPA won’t even make it. Or will have a *very* difficult time.

          Most of the Republicans don’t have the balls to use their majority to its full extent and Trump is barely even conservative, let alone libertarian. So, I’m prepared for 4 years of wishy washy “middle way” bullshit that does nothing for the 2A (or the Constitution as a whole).

      2. Count Potato

        Since most gun laws are local, the most important thing might be the Supreme Court.

    4. trshmnstr

      From the VDH column:
      How odd that the public is now learning that the Left apparently sees identity theft as a minor matter for illegal aliens, though a serious one for citizens.

      This is what makes me rather unsympathetic toward illegals. I worked in a DACA clinic for 4 hours, and I lost count of the number of illegals who had committed identity theft. Not only that, but the clinic wanted us to lie on the forms and pretend the identity theft didn’t happen. It’s one thing to ask for sympathy when you commit a victimless crime, but when you’re stealing grandma’s social security check, you’ve run out all the slack.

  20. Thymirus

    http://listen.sdpb.org/post/constitutional-carry-passes-senate-heads-governor-s-desk

    Constitutional Carry Passes The Senate, Heads To Governor’s Desk

    A bill that establishes constitutional carry in South Dakota now heads to the governor’s desk.

    State Senator Brock Greenfield brought House Bill 10-72 to the full chamber. He says current concealed carry laws create a barrier for law abiding citizens.

    ““It streamlines the situation. It doesn’t require somebody to lease back their guaranteed second amendment right, so long as they’re not subject to any disqualifiers.”

    The senate passed the bill by 23 to 11 votes.

    The South Dakota States Attorneys Association, Sheriffs Association and Police Chiefs association all oppose the bill.

    Governor Dennis Daugaard says he’ll veto any change to South Dakota’s concealed carry law. Lawmakers would need one more vote in the Senate and another 10 in the House to override a veto.

  21. Pope Jimbo

    Prepare your shocked faces my friends.

    Turns out that the ex-chief of staff for Gov. Mumbles, who was then appointed to be in charge of managing the new Vikings stadium, has been caught yet again taking perks from the Vikes.

    She was forced to resign when she got caught using two luxury boxes for “marketing”. If you define marketing as having friends and family and Democratic hacks come to the boxes for free.

    Now it has come out that she jumped the line and bought season tickets for herself and family before anyone else was allowed.

    “I never intended to have been in the front of the line and would have waited to purchase tickets later if I had realized how early in the sales process this was,” Kelm-Helgen said Friday.

    The infuriating part of the scandal isn’t that it occurred, but how inept it was. This gal is such a hack she can’t even cover up her grifting with a simple straw buyer.

    1. straffinrun

      Was there another Viking that ran things the wrong way?

      1. Juvenile Bluster

        Whoever the GM was that traded for Herschel Walker?

      2. One of last giant tusker elephants ‘killed by poachers’

        Satao II, who was said to be around 50 years old, was shot while feeding near the edge of Tsavo national park, Kenya, in late 2016, according to the Tsavo Trust.

        The carcass was found on January 4 during a routine aerial search before its ivory, some 100kg, could be stripped.

        Two weeks later Kenyan Wildlife Service rangers arrested two “notorious” poachers, recovering one AK47 along with 12 poison arrows and three bows, the Trust said.

        They added the gang, believed to be responsible for three other recent elephant deaths in the area, had been “broken for ever”.

        1. damn – thread fail.

          *kicks can down the road*

      3. Pope Jimbo

        Urusai!

        Jim Marshall was my favorite Viking of all time. How dare you say bad things about him? I see him a couple of times out at a bar I frequent when rehydrating after playing basketball. It really is a shame how much his body has broken down.

        Speaking of Vikings, will AP leave or will free agency spank him like one of his kids with a switch?

        1. straffinrun

          Jim was awesome. My all time favorite was Joey Browner. He made Ronnie Lot look like Emma Thompson.

          1. Pope Jimbo

            Joey Browner was fantastic. Except that time that he managed to miss Steve Young twice on that horrible scramble for a TD.

  22. Zero Sum Game

    Wikileaks releases the passphrase for Vault 7 (I linked it last night):

    SplinterItIntoAThousandPiecesAndScatterItIntoTheWinds, a quote from Kennedy about the CIA.

    It is apparently evidence of the CIA’s hacking operations worldwide. Shit just got real.

    1. A Fuggin White Male

      The Autistic Army over at /pol/ is all over it. Biggest revelation so far, in my opinion, is this:

      http://i.imgur.com/X22l2Y7.png

      Basically, the CIA has ways of hacking/stealing data and then making it look like it was someone else that did it. They can steal/hack things and frame someone else for it (Russians????).

  23. The Elite Elite

    You made a mistake in your article. You started listing fantastic Spielberg movies, but then accidentally threw in one of his overrated movies, Jaws, into that list. You might want to replace that with a good movie of his.

    1. Zero Sum Game

      E.T. > Jaws.

      Wasn’t really that great of a film. Pretty much just campy crap to watch these days, but I guess people were legitimately scared by that film.

      1. Idle Hands

        Ugh. ET was great though, can’t endorse anything else in this statement.

      2. The Elite Elite

        I haven’t actually seen E.T. so can’t comment on that, but I agree with the rest of this statement.

      3. Agent Cooper

        Think of the two best scenes in Jaws. The shark isn’t in either one.

        Spielberg turned a pretty trashy novel into a better film. That alone puts it on the list of one of his best for me.

        1. Bobarian LMD

          It is a matter of perspective. If you were in the movie theater in 1975, when Jaws came out, it was ground-breaking.

          It was the first ‘Summer Block-Buster Thrill-Ride’ movie.

          Thank god that the mechanical shark turned out to be a buggy piece of shit. Barely seeing the shark made that movie much better than seeing it.

          The shark coming out of the water while Brody is chumming the water was the biggest thrill I’d ever experienced at 10 year old.

          The movie hasn’t aged well because special effects are sooooo much better now, but better effects would have likely ruined the suspense.

        2. {|}===[|}:;:;:;:;:;:;:>

          If they’re the scenes I’m thinking of they were written by John Milius and not Spielberg, which is why they were good.

        3. I didn’t see the movie until I was older, but the scene where the shark is rolling over and over with the boy in his mouth, while blood shoots into the air, made an impact.

    2. John Titor

      The Elite Elite’s got lifeless eyes, like a doll’s eyes.

    3. Idle Hands

      No. Jaws is big league. You’re fake news.

    4. *narrows gaze*

      1. The Elite Elite

        I thought you only narrowed your gaze for people that said questionable things or bad puns. Didn’t know you did it for someone saying an obvious truth as well.

        1. Lord, deliver me from the temptation to cat butt T E E…

          1. trshmnstr

            Here, have some Limburger, Curly!

    5. Old Man With Candy

      Jaws synopsis: “Look at that big fucking fish bite someone!”

      I suppose if drooling retardation is your lifestyle, you could be entertained by that for two hours.

      1. Someday, we will employ Ludovico’s technique, and you WILL see the movie. Then you will acknowledge the error of your ways.

        1. Old Man With Candy

          I prefer Ludwig. Real horosho.

      2. trshmnstr

        Jaws synopsis: “Look at that big fucking fish bite someone!”

        Cytotoxic, is that you?

    6. Endless Mike

      How did “Amistad” get left off of the list??? One of his best movies, and arguably his most libertarian.

      1. Trigger Hippie

        Racism, obviously.

  24. Juvenile Bluster

    The solution to obesity: wrap junk food in plain paper! I mean, it’s sure to work, right?

    1. It worked with dirty magazines! /sarc

      1. UnCivilServant

        And cigarettes!

        /more sarc

    2. straffinrun

      Dayan and Dolan said they have yet to decide what to do with their share of the prize money, but Schultz said he planned to take holidays that had previously been beyond his means.

      So he wants a dopamine hit from doing something unhealthy like sitting on a beach?

      1. leonadasiv

        Wrap the beach in paper!!!

        Wrap all the things!!

    3. Scruffy Nerfherder

      We’re not supposed to judge fat people but fat is bad. Fat people are great but they’re everything that’s wrong with the world and America in particular. It’s not their fault, but they make bad choices.

      What do we do? The obvious answer is to try to legislate/regulate fat out of existence.

      1. leonadasiv

        You know who else believed they could regular undesirables out of existence…

        1. leonadasiv

          Regulate*

        2. Thymirus

          Does he sport a peculiar mustache, perchance?

          1. leonadasiv

            I don’t know, did Woodrow Wilson have a mustache?

        3. ZARDOZ

          ZARDOZ SPEAKS TO YOU, HIS CHOSEN ONES.

          EXTERMINATORS CAN “REGULATE” BRUTALS OUT OF EXISTENCE.

  25. Rufus the Monocled

    Yeh. I think I’m gonna pass on the Spielberg-Hanks-Streep Democrat alliance.

    What did people around here think of ‘Lincoln’?

    1. WHY AREN’T YOU WORKING?

      1. Rufus the Monocled

        THIS IS WORK!

    2. UnCivilServant

      Does Ford still make that model line?

      1. Bobarian LMD

        Are you not a fan of those weird fucking Matthew McConaughey commercials?

        1. UnCivilServant

          I do not own a TV.

          I do not see very many commercials

          I do not have a clue what you are referencing.

          1. Bobarian LMD

            This

            There are like 20 of these abortions.

    3. PieInTheSKy

      Never been to Nebraska

    4. Chipwooder

      Beautifully made and acted, but dreadfully slow and dull.

    5. Mike Schmidt

      I prefer Mercury

        1. UnCivilServant

          Your car is watermarked.

          1. Thymirus

            It’ll polish right out.

    6. John Titor

      Daniel Day-Lewis tends to class up anything he’s in, so it may be hard to watch on its own merits. Hell, Gangs of New York would have been awful without him, but he manages to make it work.

    7. Rufus the Monocled

      SO DISAPPOINTED IN ALL OF YOU! /wags and points finger furiously.

      Historically, is it more on point?

      1. Agent Cooper

        Not enough Abe/Joshua Speed butt sex.

        1. Bobarian LMD

          Just how much would be enough?

    8. {|}===[|}:;:;:;:;:;:;:>

      It is enjoyable both as a character study and a political thriller. I’ve not read Team of Rivals so I can’t say how close it hauls to the source material, but I do think it paints a fuller picture of Lincoln as a politician – with all that entails – as opposed to some national hero. As far as casting goes I think they did well and the cast is a joy to watch.

  26. Ken Shultz

    About the press and their relationship with Trump, I was taken aback by the “Open Letter to Trump from the U.S. Press Corps” that the White House Press Corps collectively published in the Colombia Journalism Review.

    http://www.cjr.org/covering_trump/trump_white_house_press_corps.php

    They threaten a “unified front” against Trump, etc. It’s like a letter promising all the things they’re going to do to Trump, and then, of course, they’ve actually been doing all the things they threatened to do.

    Everything we see on television about the White House comes from a pool of 30 reporters, who collectively signed an “open letter” promising to work together against Trump. Every report you read from every news organization on the internet or in print about the White House originates from a group of reporters who signed the same “open letter”.

    But you have to be crazy to think the White Houses Press Corps. is anti-Trump. Just crazy!

    You can wiki “white house press corps” and see their names.

    1. Suthenboy

      If he doesnt tow the lion they are going to hate him extra hard? He should give them the finger, extra hard.

    2. Chipwooder

      I’m not sure what this is intended to do other than drive the circus seals of the left to slap their flippers together faster.

      1. Ken Shultz

        It was meant to protest Trump’s apparent intention, at the time, to deny the White House Press Corps office space within the White House like they’ve enjoyed for a long time.

        That’s in the letter.

        Trump was rightly considering kicking them out of the White House because . . . they all hate him and he won without their help. Hell, Trump won despite them smearing him as a serial sexual assaulter who runs Nuremberg style rallies complete with his own Brownshirts. Trump won without hardly spending any money on advertising. Why should he subject himself to their daily condemnations–and give them space to do so from within the White House?

        That’s why they were pissed.

  27. And a happy birthday to the deceased Rik Mayall
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKfbSHW9uGA

    1. Old Man With Candy

      I’m more of a John Mayall fan.

    2. egould310

      He was a complete bastard! RIP, Prick

    3. ElspethFlashman

      +1 /Pollution . . .

  28. Zero Sum Game

    You guys should really be paying attention to Wikileaks this morning.

    Jointly developed CIA+MI5 malware infests Samsung smart TVs to turn them into covert microphones #Vault7

    There have been other revelations about how they’ve lost control of their hacking arsenal and some of it is out in the wild now.

    I don’t know yet if this is going to be at the level of Snowden, but the choice bits they’ve given so far have been tantalizing.

    1. Zero Sum Game

      Big brother is listening to you, and they got you to buy the telescreen yourself.

    2. straffinrun

      If losing track of firearms and crates filled with cash don’t raise the public’s ire, unfortunately I don’t think they’ll give a shit about this either.

      1. Zero Sum Game

        Losing weapons and cash only has a limited effect on regular people’s lives.

        Losing an entire hacking arsenal means that anyone could be watching you through your webcam, listening to you through your microphone, intercepting all your communications. Your privacy doesn’t exist, and it’s not just the NSA doing it, and there is probably no oversight whatsoever when the CIA does. Other world governments undoubtedly now control the same capabilities and possibly even civilians too.

        1. straffinrun

          Give me the choice between them losing weapons and cash or their hacking capabilities, I’d choose (so would you, I assume) losing the weapons and cash. I’m saying I doubt the public agrees with us, however.

    3. Brochettaward

      But you should totally trust these guys with a secret key to your phones. It will totally stay secret under lock and key!

    4. Haybob

      And the left is worried about the Russians hacking?

    5. Haybob

      I am thoroughly enjoying the liberal meltdown on social media over the health care proposal. The hypocrisy is delicious!!

  29. Zero Sum Game

    CIA steals other groups virus and malware facilitating false flag attacks #Vault7

    So, not only could that supposed hack of the DNC by the Russians be bullshit, it could be a false-flag by our own CIA to put Hillary in the White House. Though Wikileaks has already said that it was a leak, not a hack.

    1. Brochettaward

      Everything the public reports pointed to as evidence of Russian involvement could have been done by random nobodies. The code they pointed to is already available. Doesn’t even have to be the CIA. They’ve still provided no actual evidence of Russian involvement. It’s nothing but take our word for it because we’re great.

      1. Zero Sum Game

        Yep, I’m aware. But considering that the fox itself is telling us that some other fox is the one that ate the chickens, it’s the first place I’d point my finger for culpability now. They were the ones largely involved in claiming that it was a Russian signature all over it.

        Phishing retards could be done by a teenager. Staging the other “evidence” more likely was government involvement. And since the DNC didn’t ask for any help initially, it undoubtedly gave a pretty good window of opportunity to plant everything else to make it look however they wanted.

        Finally, given that there are clearly elements within the CIA working against Trump in the *ominous music* deep state, it makes that outcome even more likely.

    2. Gilmore

      So, not only could that supposed hack of the DNC by the Russians be bullshit, it could be a false-flag by our own CIA to put Hillary in the White House

      No, the “russians do low-level hacking for political-reasons” thing is real.

      Its misleading, not a lie. The misleading part is pretending that what they did w. the DNC was in any way new or special or different or otherwise at all out of the ordinary.

    3. A Fuggin White Male

      I just replied to you above with that.

      This entire batch of wikileaks dumps are big fuggin news, but I can guarantee you the MSM will ignore it.

      1. Jimbo

        I saw it on Fox, but not CNN, ABC…then I stopped looking. I mean, with all the Trump news, who has time for anything else?

  30. Francisco d’Anconia

    You know who else hasn’t seen Jaws?

    1. Rufus the Monocled

      Francisco d’Anconia?

      1. Thymirus

        MATT DAMON?

    2. PieInTheSKy

      Michael Caine?

      1. UnCivilServant

        They still paid him, so why should he bother to watch?

    3. Old Man With Candy

      Anyone with intelligence and taste?

      1. John Titor

        Smile, you son of a bitch.

        1. Zero Sum Game

          *Makes shark fin, pineapple, deep dish pizza, and leaves it in the thread.*

          *Walks away, never looking back.*

          Cool guys don’t look at explosions.

      2. UnCivilServant

        Wait, are you saying sharks don’t have taste buds?

        1. {|}===[|}:;:;:;:;:;:;:>

          Judging by what can be found in their stomachs, I’d say their tastes don’t map well to anything we’d be able to empathize with.

      3. Rufus the Monocled

        Watched ‘Battered Bastards of Baseball’. Awesome. Thanks for the tip!

        1. Old Man With Candy

          Much better than Jaws. See it again and again.

    4. He was disappointed when he found that the movie wasn’t a movie about a loan shark, and that it wasn’t called *Jews.*

      h/t Michael Kinsley

  31. straffinrun

    The ATF had a secret slush fund — financed by cigarette smuggling

    The secret account is at the heart of a federal racketeering lawsuit brought by a collective of tobacco farmers who say they were swindled out of $24 million. A pair of ATF informants received at least $1 million each from that sum, records show.

    *Maybe covered. I can’t be expected to keep up with you maniacs.

  32. commodious spittoon

    Lefty news pundits are desperate to hold on to the “fake news” canard (the canard being that it’s primarily or solely a problem for the conservative media), but it seems only to have caught fire among right-leaning commentators, at least to go by twitter and Facebook. Lefty commenters howl about Trump’s lies or Session’s lies or Bannon’s lies, but they appear to have lost ownership over the fake news censure.

    1. leonadasiv

      Yeah I saw a brief Noah Smith ad making fun of Trump and ‘Fake News’ as an attack on the media, which is exactly is what always was, especially when the traditional media was trying to push it after the election.

  33. Ken Shultz

    Someone just turned me on to this Hillary tweet from October 31, 2016:

    “Computer scientists have apparently uncovered a covert server linking the Trump Organization to a Russian-based bank.”

    —-Hillary Clinton

    Twitter

    https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/793250312119263233

    The tweet goes on to reference that there’s a server registered to Trump Tower that’s “covertly communicating with Russia”.

    What this makes clear to me is that it wasn’t necessary for the NSA, CIA, FBI, or White House to have forwarded this information to the Clinton campaign. All they needed to do was leak it to the press–and the Hillary Clinton campaign would find out about it.

    1. Fake News
      -lib