Welcome once more to my magnificent nightmare.
I will devote this installment to the prog’s views on science and the environment.
His response to this article on failed Earth Day predictions:
Don’t forget to pack a wife.
The problem with your “ridiculous predictions” article, is that most of them AREN’T ridiculous, and actually have more than a grain of truth in them. For instance there IS a worldwide hunger and famine epidemic all across Africa and Asia, much of which is caused by extreme droughts and desertification caused by climate change. Thousands of people die every day from starvation and famine on this planet. That’s not even debatable. Many of these are just general statements….like number 3 saying we need toconserve our resources or face possible extinction. That’s a factual, true, logical statement. There is no arguing that using all our resources would lead to extinction. For instance if we had no fresh water, or couldn’t grow crops…we would die. This is not ridiculous or untrue. People DO die from air pollution, all the time, cancer rates have been increasing for decades due to increased exposure, asthma is at an all time high. These are all problems caused by the environment in which we live. Most of the rest of these are just unsubstantiated claims made in no official scientific capacity or have no specific time frame attached to them. So quite frankly, I call bullshit on ALL of those. None of them are ridiculous and most of them are mere logical statements of fact.
No attempt made to rebut any of the claims, just lots of hand-waving.
His response to the skeptic’s case against climate change:
Have you ever felt giant teeth crushing your pelvis?
On the climate change thing; The common misconception among deniers is that climate change science is coming from the government, which is just about as accurate as saying vaccination science is coming from the government, or evolutionary science is coming from the government. Just because the government accepts the widely researched scientific concensus on a subject and adopts policy to reflect that, does not at all mean that information is coming from “the government”. Climate change has been widely researched since the 1970s, and ALL of the effects that were widely discussed then ARE happening now. We are seeing climate change happening, as predicted decades ago. The official position of EVERY government in the entire world has accepted the fact that not only is climate change real, but is being greatly exacerbated by human activity. The ironic thing is that everyone that claims that this is all an agenda of the government’s of all the world’s nations is somehow rooted in some evil grab for power, when in fact the only entity fighting against the science is the most powerful corporations in human history. In fact literally every single source that refutes climate science can be traced back to the most wealthy and monied and nefarious interests in known history, big oil and coal. Literally every single source, there is not one credible source that refutes AGW that is not linked to the most monied interests of all. The very small amount of credible peer review scientists that actually do deny AGW, don’t even deny It at all, they simply speculate that it may not be as bad as it has been thought to be, or that the amount of it being influenced by man is up for debate. But there is literally not one single credible scientific source in the entire world that flat out denies AGW. It IS happening, we see it in the strange weather extremes, the shifting on animal migratory patterns, breeding habits, growth patterns of fungi and plants. These are not things that have an agenda. Because I am out in nature all the time and speak with a multitude of biologists and nature hobbyists of all kinds and EVERY single one of them agrees that these changes are happening exactly as predicted, I have no reason whatsoever to even for a moment consider that oil lobbyists are right.
Note how he fails to address any of the claims made. I originally sent him a video version instead of text because I didn’t think he was capable of reading it all.
A response to this video on food irradiation (or, for those who prefer to read):
(Food not pictured.)
On food irradiation….Like everything else conservatives support the misinformation is coming directly from lobbyists and the corporations that seek to profit off of the ignorance of the public. Just like climate change denial, the ONLY studies that are saying food irradiation is safe is the lobbyists and companies paying for the studies in their favor in the first place. You would be hard pressed to find any legitimate scientist or biologist that would advise eating food that has been exposed to radiation. The real problem of course, is the corporate factory farms and fast food restaurants using substandard practices and cleaning procedures to process their food. Almost all the major food poisoning outbreaks of the last few years have come from these large scale agri-businesses and fast food restaurants improperly handling the product or knowingly using tainted water or meat. Much like the recent cancerous cows recall. You know which farms very rarely if ever cause any of these kinds of problems? Small family owned farms, that have caring people and proper oversight running them. Irradiating all of the food to stop food poisoning is trading in one problem for another. Small levels of radiation in some carrots or a hamburger probably aren’t a big deal, but if EVERYTHING you ate was exposed to radiation eventually it would have very adverse and widespread effects. And that’s not even up for debate.
Hmm… some No True Scotsmen and question-begging. And of course, deflection. Note also that he has not the faintest idea of how food irradiation works. But that doesn’t stop him from having an opinion on it.
At the time of our correspondence, I was working as a process engineer in a food packaging factory. I tried in vain to explain to him that most plastic food packaging is exposed to radiation during its manufacture. The process is called electronic cross-linking. The plastic is “cooked” with a beam of electrons which makes the plastic tougher. While the radiation released by this process can be harmful without proper shielding, the plastic is harmless. It does not become radioactive.
Worrying about irradiated food is just as stupid as worrying that cooking food in a microwave will make it radioactive.
I also tried to explain to him that the smoke detectors in his house contain the radioactive isotope americium 241, which releases alpha and gamma radiation as it decays.
It was no use. Like guns, radiation and nuclear energy are just an evil totems for progs.
For instance there IS a worldwide hunger and famine epidemic all across Africa and Asia, much of which is caused by extreme droughts and desertification caused by climate change.
Nope.
DAMMIT.
Personally, I think you are #2…IYKWIM.
Thanks to innovations by Borlaug and other members of the Green Revolution food production in Africa has never been higher. Grain production has doubled or tripled in some places. So much famine.
But it’s climate change what’s driving them wars.
Yes, Africa was totally peaceful, a veritable Eden, before 1980.
Hrm. Interesting at the summit.
I at this point have nothing interesting to say.
I’m so fascinating.
Evansville… Indiana? I’m in Indy, just on the lookout for local libertarians.
Do we know the same derpy people? I think we might.
They all pretty much sound alike to me.
I freaking love science… when it agrees with muh feelz. That pretty much sums it up.
Does your friend avoid cross country flights and bananas?
Can I just say that I would have got first post, but for derp-induced writer’s block?
It’s funny because about an hour and a half ago, I had almost the same conversation about irradiation with a derpmonger here in the office.
The whole running out of resources/famine thing is more complicated than most people think. The population is not just growing everywhere, all the time. In some places it’s growing, in other places (such as Russia) it’s stable or declining. However, as time goes on we use less land to feed more people. While it is true that famine is now caused mostly by human activity, that human activity consists of people acting like assholes by fighting wars and running dictatorships, not so much by damage to the environment.
Well, and the issue of distribution in general.
That’s why we need redistribution /prog
I have never worked for an agri-business, have a degree in nuclear engineering and support food irradiation.
So, idiot progs straw man busted.
What a retard that dude is. Opinions on food irradiation are a surefire way to sort out the idiots who can’t be bothered to understand how something works from people who actually give a shit.
Check out this guy. He thinks he sooo radon!
It couldn’t be that having warring factions arguing over land and weak, corrupt governments would result in a lack of farming.
I knew a guy who was afraid of microwaves. Convincing him it was safe was like talking to a wall.
It’s way worse when it’s your mom. She used to yell at us if we looked at the microwave, because radiation bombarding our eyeballs or some batshit.
My great grandmother insisted all light fixtures always have a bulb in them so the electricity wouldn’t pour out and electrify us.
That’s awesome. I’m going to use that.
My girlfriend’s mother forbade her from listening to the radio on long car trips because it would drain the battery while they were driving and strand them.
When I first got my degree in electrical engineering with an RF focus, I would tell people I was a microwave engineer. The novelty of having to explain that I didn’t fix kitchen appliances soon wore off.
The awesomeness or microwaving a microwave microwaving a toaster.
and a bunch of other stuff.
Dunno how long it’s been for you, but i haven’t received that one. Only raised eyebrows and “oooohhhhh microwave” types of reactions.
I have received “so you pilot trains?” a handful of times at parties.
Admittedly, I’m getting old.
*shakes cane at kids on lawn*
Out of curiosity, what are you working on? I haven’t been active in the field for a few years but I still like to find out what people are doing.
I’m a material characterisation expert and senior design engineer in the R&D group of a component supplier to the telecommunications industry. Engineering plastics, composites, and materials that you could characterise as “really poor conductor” round out the physics side of things, while the rest is computational full-wave solves.
No formal “microwave engineering” programme/specialisation was available at my U, I’m just one of those sick fucks that turned out to be a electromagnetics and vector calculus fetishist during undergrad, so I just stuck with it, and it unlocked opportunities. I was dangerously close once to getting stuck with a supporting role in an interdivision welfare effort in terms of design resources for another division that gets revenue from MIL-SPEC bullshit, but thankfully that died and the other division got their own dedicated design engineer. The handful of meetings I had with those polyester-dressed fucks were horrible and I’m really glad I’m not trapped in that world. Could have easily happened in an alternate reality though – BAE Systems is one of the largest employers in the state.
I’ve got some side action going that I hope one day can go fully independent, but my employer is extremely flexible and pretty atypical.
Cool. I was an antenna/filter guy with some radio design as well. Eventually worked my way over to manufacturing and test. I hated the military side where it was just throw money at it until it works. I wanted the challenge of shipping 10K units and making a dollar in a commercial market.
I enjoyed the black magic aspect of RF engineering. Nothing ever performs as modeled and no test equipment gives you exact results. You’re always fighting the limitations of real-world physics.
Nothing ever performs as modeled
That’s unpossible, I’m told that simulations = settled science. Simulators are smart, like a computer.
I once modeled the global climate with pspice, true story.
“On the climate change thing; The common misconception among deniers is that climate change science is coming from the government”
Well, this person is not even close to accurate with that very generalized statement. Sloppy writing and logic. A lot of the funding going into climate change science is coming from government. And the scope of that has just spread and infested everything. I mean if you really want some grant money, just say that your study is dedicated to solving climate change. Doesn’t matter what the study is about, it can be anything, as long as the study is dedicated to fighting climate change, that’s your ticket.
Yup, replace “accepts” with “finances” and it is spot-on. I wonder if he thinks studies financed by oil companies don’t tend to reflect the goals of oil companies.
Does being a professional grant writer mean you’re a government employee? Because that argument can be applied to far more research than just climate.
I truly do wish food irradiation would catch on. It’s gross but I love raw eggs with a splash of Tabasco but eating them that way now is pretty risky.
I’ve known plenty of people who eat raw eggs. Mostly workout fanatics who do it for the protein. I find it sort of gross. I like eggs, but I cook them.
If I want something raw, slippery, and drowned in tobasco, I’ll order up some oysters.
Mmm… oysters.
OMG. Dude, stop it. Wife and I have been eating a couple dozen at a local bar every weekend. They’re so good. It’s only Tuesday and now I want some! I checked the local market and they don’t have any right now, or I’d get some to shuck at home. Damnit!
I drink raw egg out of the blender regularly; have done for maybe the last 7 or 8 years.
I think I’ve had one incident where I had a problem, and really, I can’t even be sure it was the egg. It wasn’t particularly epic either. Note, I choose factory eggs, not free range.
Well it’s obvious that the blending kills the bacteria by breaking them into smaller pieces.
SCIENCE
NO YOU IDIOT
IT MEANS FACTORY FARMERS ARE SECRETLY IRRADIATING EGGS WITHOUT TELLING US ! ! !
I dust all my eggs with plutonium. For safety.
Fool! That doesn’t work, you need tritium!
I ended up with salmonella about ten years ago and the doc strongly suspected it was the eggs but, you’re right, who knows for sure?
Well, my anecdote isn’t necessarily more legitimate than your anecdote, so YMMV.
Recently got a Sous Vide machine. One of the things you can do with it is make perfect boiled eggs, or do your own pasteurizing if you want to eat your free range eggs raw.
Which machine did you get?
Gourmia GSV550 9 Qt Sous Vide Water Oven Cooker with Digital Timer and Temperature controls.
Just done steaks so far, but does them great.
Ribeye that cuts with a fork.
When I was looking at Sous Vide about a year ago, there was nothing at that price point.
I was looking at an immersible, like an Anova.
Speaking of climate change…Everton Football Club recently announced plans to build a new stadium on the Mersey River. Today a university researcher warned that this could be a bad idea: “As a researcher in sustainable business models, surely spending £300m on a waterfront stadium is a significant risk in terms of sea level rise?…Recent research has shown that by the year 2100 sea levels could rise by two metres. That is only 83 years into the proposed stadium’s 200-year lease.”
Full article here: http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/bramley-moore-stadium-global-warming-12808366
Warning: delayed auto-start video.
“every single source that refutes climate science can be traced back to the most wealthy and monied and nefarious interests in known history”
Well, there is no money at all in jumping on the climate change train, so at least that one is a totally valid point with no bias at all.
“Note how he fails to address any of the claims made. I originally sent him a video version instead of text because I didn’t think he was capable of reading it all.”
Well, he isn’t capable of writing at all, that much has been demonstrated.
Is this guy named Tony? The “arguments” appear to be the same.
He’s even less articulate than Tony.
It is just a coincidence that all parrots say ‘polly want a cracker’.
“I have no reason whatsoever to even for a moment consider that oil lobbyists are right.”
This is absurd. First of all, if energy companies… big oil if you want, were to see viable opportunities in wind or solar, or whatever, they would be the first in on it. They are not out to kill the planet or engage in some meaningless suppression of alternative energy sources, they’re out to make a profit, which is what companies have to do to survive. And right now, wind and solar is not profitable and has to be heavily subsidized by tax payers. The oil companies are making your life better, dummy. Without oil, we’d be back to the dark ages in no time at all. Civilization would collapse. Forget about your iphone and your AC, and your Prius, you’re not going to be able to afford any of that without evil oil.
I really cannot wait until some of these luddite idiots attack the pipeline and get themselves brought up on terrorism charges, which is exactly what they will deserve.
Shorter version: It’s far easier for me to win my argument if I deny my opponents any credibility whatsoever.
“I really cannot wait until some of these luddite idiots attack the pipeline ”
Morning links yesterday.
The little ol’ company I work for (ok, not that little) tried to get into making and selling wind turbines. There just wasn’t any money in it and the return on investment is also pretty terrible for the consumer. But hey, pet project of the owner, so we went for it.
That product lasted about two years before being shut down.
“There just wasn’t any money in it”
Which, when translated to the general public means ‘you can’t afford it’.
I recently discovered that the reason solar panels have been popping up around me is because The People’s Republic of Maryland passed a law* a few years ago to punish the utilities for not being “green” enough. So our electricity rates went up in order to subsidize select homes getting solar panels. Nothing was done to deal with the costs of handling power being fed back into the grid, nor maintenance of the solar panels, nor accounting for their depreciation and replacement, nor offsetting the environmental cost of manufacturing the solar panels. It’s basically the epitome of “green” policy: make everything more expensive and execute a poorly thought-out plan in the most shortsighted way possible.
* = The law is called the Empower Maryland Act, which is about as aptly named as the Affordable Care Act
On the climate change thing; The common misconception among deniers is that climate change science is coming from the government, which is just about as accurate as saying vaccination science is coming from the government, or evolutionary science is coming from the government. Just because the government accepts the widely researched scientific concensus on a subject and adopts policy to reflect that, does not at all mean that information is coming from “the government”.
Waitaminnit! I thought science would die without government funding.
Which is it?
“Good” science will die without government funding. “Bad” science is funded by evil corporations with unlimited funds. The government must continue to fund the “good” science because at this point the “bad” science has so much more funding. From the evil corporations.
everyone knows corporations are 20TT in debt.
Well, that’s what I’ve been hearing. But the truth is that there’s plenty of funding from private sources, but those sources are sort of picky about what they’re going to fund. If you have promising research to cure bone cancer, you’re going to get funding. If you want to study the mating habits of the rare New Guinea tree snail, then you might get funding, but if you don’t, science will survive.
For instance if we had no fresh water, or couldn’t grow crops…we would die. This is not ridiculous or untrue
Which part? The part about how water is gone forever once it goes swirling down the toilet bowl?
That is ridiculous.
Why are we going to run out of water? The guy is making wild speculations here with nothing to back them up. BECAUSE CLIMATE CHANGE is not a compelling argument.
Only the left would worry about running out of something that literally falls from the sky.
Obligatory: “if you put communists in charge of the desert, then there would soon be a shortage of sand”
The ice caps melting and the sea level rising = less water
That’s science, right there.
This person is well-trained. He must have gotten a lot of Scooby snacks.
“People DO die from air pollution, all the time, cancer rates have been increasing for decades…”
Would like to see a cite for that. I thought the general trend (in North America anyway) is they’ve levelled off and have done so for decades. There have been increases in some types of cancer but the overall trend points to a decline; or at least mortality rates due to cancer have improved quite a bit.
http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/cd-mc/cancer/css-ssc-summary-resume-eng.php
https://www.cancer.org/latest-news/cancer-facts-and-figures-death-rate-down-25-since-1991.html
Something tells me this guy would scream violence is on the rise despite the fact it isn’t and is on a downward trend for decades.
Also. Which studies from the 1970s does he refer to that have proved prescient I wonder?
The truth is, for this doomsday Medieval, is times have never been better for the human species and this is an irrefutable fact.
The rest is just too damned insipid to break down. I’ve learned it’s not worth engaging people who say ‘denier’ because the quality of the discussion is already set. Plus it only points to the fact these people don’t know shit about what they speak of. They say a lot of things like he did but where it goes….nobody knows. It’s shitty sophistry.
I also found the ‘cancer rates has been increasing for decades’ statement, interesting. Where is he getting this data from? How many decades are we talking about? But the most important question is, how does this relate to avg age of death in first world countries? People less than a hundred years ago didn’t live long enough to get cancer. Now you have lots of people living into their 80s, 90s, and even past 100. Is this mostly in older people? You live long enough with no kind of regenerative medicine, and you’ll probably get cancer. If we’re talking about young healthy people here, I’d be interested in seeing this data.
Where is he getting this data from?
His cancerous ass.
yeah, I’ve often thought the same thing. We’re finally getting to live into years never thought possible.
We also very recently developed was to detect lots of cancer. I assume a lot of people way back may have had cancer, and even died from it, with no one ever knowing. they blame old age or a failing whatever organ.
I am not a doctor. maybe I’m way off here.
“We also very recently developed was to detect lots of cancer.”
Good point, DOOMco. Diagnostic equipment has improved far faster than cures. People were probably dying from completely undiagnosed cancer not long ago. Now they’re seeing it at levels not possible just a decade ago. That alone would account for increasing diagnosis. But also is decreasing mortality.
Not wrong in terms of, say, comparing 1800s deaths to modern ones (‘death from brain cancer’ didn’t exactly appear on a lot of death certificates) but it’s also the fact that a great deal of other, historically more deadly diseases have been neutralized or are treatable. With life expectancy constantly increasing, the likelihood of developing cancer increases due to basic probability. Cancer rates have increased specifically because it’s one of the few things that can actually kill you.
Also, mortality from cancer increases as we age. A population with an average mortality of 82 will get cancer a lot more than one with an average mortality of 62.
Oops. Sorry, I skipped over the fact that you made that exact point in your post.
Let’s see… hasty generalization, affirming the consequent, and begging the question. A fine collection of logical fallacies.
Derpy,
Has your prog friend’s head exploded yet?
Am explosion would require that something actually occupied the space between his ears. Implosion is far more likely.
I’ve known plenty of people who eat raw eggs. Mostly workout fanatics who do it for the protein. I find it sort of gross. I like eggs, but I cook them.
I used to put raw eggs in protein shakes; for years and years. I suffered no ill effects.
So my electricity bill showed up today, and it is double what I used to pay.
I think it’s my roommates computer that he just leaves on far too often. What’s the thing called that monitors that consumption at the outlet?
Well, you can measure the current he’s pulling with an amprobe as a rough tool to estimate his consumption.
A sledgehammer?
I kill it every time I find it on. he does the same thing with his PS4. I want to play hockey, try to turn it on, only to find it just wake up in the middle of final fantasy. I quit without saving because FYTW.
Change his character features or name.
*evil cackle*
Classic passive aggressive move! I’m so happy I don’t have roommates any more…
hey, I’ve tried reminding him enough times.
Next time he forgets to lock the place (4 times so far) I’m taking his computer to my room and pretending we got robbed.
The roommate thing never worked out well for me. Maybe I was just bad choosing roommates. But it was always something like ‘hey man, we need groceries, so I need your half of the grocery money’, followed by ‘Oh maaannn, wow, I’m a little short this month…’.
I doubt it’s a computer. Does he have it on auto sleep mode when it’s idle? I notice that my electric bill is less when my wife’s traveling because she for some reason has to wash clothes every day. I wait until there’s actually a hamper full of clothes. She also likes to mess with the thermostat all of the time, or just turn it off. I’ll come home from the office in summer and it will be 85 inside and then I have to turn the AC on because I’ve been in an air-conditioned office all day. Pay attention to some of you roommates other habits besides computer and you’ll probably find what’s doing it.
this is my first place with in unit washer dryer. that could be some too.
he sometimes puts it to sleep, but usually it’s all just on.
A single washer/dryer program will use more power than a PC in a day, even if it’s mining bitcoins.
.. the PC .. we ALL know (now) that a washer/dryer has insufficient floating-point capabilities for bitcoin mining
The bleach ruins the transactions.
The lice hate the sugar.
“it’s delicious.”
we did use it pretty heavily in our first week. I’ll try to cut some power use at the PC side, and see what happens. the washer is now in a normal use range.
The first week, we all washed everything.
In perspective, a PC probably uses less than about $2 of electricity a day.
That’s your likely culprit, the W&D.
Biggest single power user in a home is typically the hot water heater (if electric) and between hot showers and using hot cycle on the washer, can add up to a lot of electricity.
But equally, just add up the wattage of his psu in the pc, and the wattage for the screen(s).
They brand I’ve heard of is the Kill-A-Watt.
it’s in my amazon cart, waiting on next months bill. It could be all explained by that heavy washer dryer use.
Look at it this way. That washer-dryer is probably a doubled-up (240V) circuit. It’s probably fused for 20A. Now, for most of the wash cycle, it won’t be pulling 20A, so assume it averages 10A thru’ the whole cycle. A cycle, including drying is what? 75 minutes? Round up to 90. That’s 1.5x10AH. 15AH.
PC/Console – when running. 300W PSU and a screen or TV? Assume TV. Maybe 500W, probably less. Totals 0.8AH.
Orders of magnitude difference in power use. Save the money on the Kill-A-Watt and buy another game on Steam.
I think his PSU is a 750, but your point stands.
*runs to steam store*
Actually, I screwed up. 10A at 240V is (of course) twice as much power consumption as 10A at 120V.
The use of Ah instead of Wh is misleading. The dryer running for 90 minutes at 10A/240V will draw 3.6kWh of energy. If you run it 16 times a month (four loads each weekend), that’s about 58 kWh. A somewhat modern computer (ca. 5 years old or newer) will draw drastically less power while idle. Suppose it spends 20% of the time drawing full power at 500W, and the remaining 80% of the time in idle/standby drawing no more than 50W, for an average power draw of 140W. There are 720 hours in the average month, so the energy usage for the month would be about 118kWh.
Under these assumptions, the computer uses about twice as much energy as the dryer during a month. But, at $0.12/kWh, the computer only accounts for about $14. It’s probably something else.
Footnote: the above is actually a simplification ignoring the inefficiencies of the devices mentioned and just looking at their power draw at the tap, i.e. what you will be billed for. Also, computer PSU power ratings are misleading. A 750W PSU should never actually draw 750W for any period of time since that is the absolute maximum rating. The general rule is to target 50-75% of the maximum rating at full draw, so 375 to about 560W for the 750W PSU.
Correction: 720 hours times 140 W is actually about 100 kWh, not 118.
Hm, this is all very confusing. I hope now that our laundry habit is in a normal range, we should see a drop in the bill. Will report.
Does he have a 240V fleshlight?
I’m not planning on finding out.
lol
You can reduce that bill by getting rid of your roommate.
No profit-seeking enterprise ever has the foresight to adapt it business model. They just cling to the old way until they go bust.
In 1904 and 1905, the two eldest brothers, Fred and Charles, came to Detroit where their uncle Albert Fisher had established Standard Wagon Works during the latter part of the 1880s. The brothers found work at the C. R. Wilson Company, a manufacturer of horse-drawn carriage bodies that was beginning to make bodies for the automobile manufacturers. With financing from their uncle, on July 22, 1908 Fred and Charles Fisher established the Fisher Body Company. Their uncle soon wanted out and the brothers obtained the needed funds from Detroit businessman Louis Mendelssohn who became a shareholder and director. Within a short period of time, Charles and Fred Fisher brought their five younger brothers into the business.
Prior to forming the company, Fred Fisher had built the body of the Cadillac Osceola at the C. R. Wilson Company. Starting in 1910, Fisher became the supplier of all closed bodies for Cadillac, and also built for Buick.
In the early years of the company, the Fisher Brothers had to develop new body designs because the “horseless carriage” bodies did not have the strength to withstand the vibration of the new motorcars. By 1913, the Fisher Body Company had the capacity to produce 100,000 cars per year and customers included: Ford, Krit, Chalmers, Cadillac, and Studebaker. Highly successful, they expanded into Canada, setting up a plant in Walkerville, Ontario, and by 1914 their operations had grown to become the world’s largest manufacturer of auto bodies. One reason for their success was the development of interchangeable wooden body parts that did not require hand-fitting, as was the case in the construction of carriages. This required the design of new precision woodworking tools.
To be fair, sometimes wind turbines can be pretty awesome.
Hmm, I imagine one day one of those failures could be catastrophic?
Also, the first one reminded of a scene from Contact.
Those kind of failures happen all the time. Some are even more spectacular.
I’m waiting for one of the ones close to house to throw a vane through an apartment building or similar.
Isn’t nearly all our food exposed to radiation from the sun?
Those are naturally occurring electromagnetic waves, you monster. Totes different!.
Just like with GMOs. If the person doing the GM is a 3rd world peasant in overhauls, GMO GOOD. If it’s a person in a white lab coat working for an evil corporashun, then GMO BAD!
MONNNNNSAAAAAANNNNTTTOOOOOOOOOOO!
Got into an argument with a prog acquaintance over GMOs once. I first ask him where the peer reviewed studies are proving that GMO food is harmful to humans. He of course, had no answer to that, because there’s not any.
Then I started in on corn and other GMOs that were done by primitive humans, not in a lab. Then he sort of blurted out ‘But the way they’re doing it now, it’s unnatural!’. So I said ‘You mean God wouldn’t approve of it, or what? Why does that make it bad’. That was the end of the conversation.
Hey, dude. Those apples you eat? Doesn’t matter which varietal you’re eating.
GMO.
‘But the way they’re doing it now, it’s unnatural!’
I always found the Louis CK bit about someone saying this IN AN AIRPLANE to be hilarious.
“oh you waited on the ground for two hours? then what happened? DID YOU FLY THROUGH THE AIR??”
that one?
The airplane bit from Louis was one of the darkest, funniest scenes that show produced.
“Climate change has been widely researched since the 1970s, and ALL of the effects that were widely discussed then ARE happening now. We are seeing climate change happening, as predicted decades ago.”
Couldn’t be more wrong. We have been seeing climate change for as long as humanity has been on the planet. His premise seems to be that we are just now starting to see it and that it false. Specifically we are not seeing the changes the alarmist predicted. Their predictions, every one of them, were wrong. What we are seeing is change that is statistically compatible with all of the changes we have seen in the past.
I cant take any of the AGW people seriously because I cant find a single one that argues honestly or is not arguing from false premises.
Let’s not forget that in the 70’s, New Scientist and Scientific American were publishing pieces on how mankind will adapt to the coming Ice Age that would cover Northern US and Europe by the middle of the 21st Century.
We are also now told that global warming occurring currently is going to push the next extreme glacial period forward at least hundreds of years…they’re actively claiming they can predict climate models thousands of years down the road. Which is just so insanely stupid. And when they make statements like that with the same degree of confidence that they do everything else…
“e are also now told that global warming occurring currently is going to push the next extreme glacial period forward at least hundreds of years”
Is there any reason that any reasonable person should not be convinced that is a good thing?
Yetis are disappoint.
See ‘unnatural’ comment above, but the claim that you can suddenly predict and factor in modern temperatures to some events thousands of years down the road is just insane bullshit. I can get equally accurate predictions from auguries. Sun activity, impact events and volcanic activity alone completely destroy any attempt to claim to be able to predict the future climate.
I can get equally accurate predictions from a deck of Tarot cards.
When I was a little kid, they had this thing called the ‘Farmer’s Almanac’. And guess what? It predicted that the climate will change! This thing had been around for a couple of hundred years. All of the adult folk I knew back then had gardens and they would rely on this thing for when to plant and harvest stuff. I bet it’s more accurate than all of the climate scientists predictions thus far, although probably not too accurate.
Hang on, I think it’s just the two of us here now. Let’s establish ground rules. Who wants to be Gilmore, and who wants to be Hihn?
huh?
Well, I don’t have a bunch of links, so… I’m Hihn? I don’t feel like Hihn.
you need more (snicker) and BULLY.
Deniers, climate change is real, 97% of scientists agree! *chortle*
Was that good?
By George, I think he’s got it!
Hey Suthen, can I get that gumbo recipe you were telling me about? I think maybe you gave it to me then, but I can’t find it.
Post it in-thread, dude. I need to appropriate someone’s menu for a change. English food’s getting boring.
Cooking with Suthen: a weekly Glibs feature.
Suthen’s Creole Cupboard
Sounds too similar to “Warty’s Basement of Debasement”
Climate change has been widely researched since the 1970s, and ALL of the effects that were widely discussed then ARE happening now
Except, you know, the actual change in temperature. They’ve had to “retrain” the models every few years because the previously predicated values for temperature were significantly above the actual observed temperature once the foretold year came to pass. When you predict on year Y that year Y+5 will be 0.2±0.1°C hotter, but then when year Y+5 actually happens, it’s only 0.05°C hotter, your prediction was wrong. Just because you retrained the model so that it appears to have predicted Y+5 correctly doesn’t mean it did. It also doesn’t lend much credence to your new and improved prediction that year Y+10 will be 0.2±0.1°C hotter…
OT: You had One Job.
You know I don’t get off on diversity quotas and that sort but my god they really do make the PGA tour look like a Harlem block party don’t they.
Yes, but the real lack of diversity, as always, is in ideas.
At least good ones.
Hey Suthen, can I get that gumbo recipe you were telling me about? I think maybe you gave it to me then, but I can’t find it.
1. If you can catch it, throw it in.
2. Repeat step 1.
So it’s a katamari gumbo?
The link photo for this article, gave me an idea. Holy Diver of Derp.
HOLY DIVAH! YOUVE BEEN DOWN TOO LONG IN STUPIDITY!
OH WHATS BECOMING OF MEEEEE!!!
Fuck, at least it’s a decent earworm.
RIDE THE DERPER!
YOU KNOW HE’S NUTZ, BUT YOU CAN TELL HE FEELZ!
LISTEN TO HIS SQUEALZZZZ!!!!
GOTTA GET AWAY
HOLY DIVAH
Here’s a ripe load of derp for you. The TL;DR section is bolded.
“What is a human right, and where does it come from? Can rights be found in nature, inherent in human existence? Are they decreed by the Gods? Those may be common notions, but they are not what any evidence shows.”
Things I have in the absence of government.