Weird Wednesday: Conspiracy Edition

Have you ever noticed that the video for The Power Station’s 1985 hit cover of “Get It On (Bang a Gong)” features planes flying at low altitude near The World Trade Center towers?

Or that The Power Station was a supergroup composed of Robert Palmer, two of the haircuts from Duran Duran, and Tony Thompson, the extremely bored drummer from Chic?

Or that “Get It On (Bang a Gong)” was originally recorded by T. Rex, short for Tyrannosaurus Rex, which is a type of dinosaur, much like the entire concept of a “supergroup” or “Duran Duran?”

Or that Duran Duran took its name from Barbarella, a movie released two full years before the 1971 debut of “Get It On (Bang a Gong)?”

Or that Marc Bolan, leader singer of T. Rex and the writer of “Get It On (Bang a Gong),” died while a passenger in a Mini 1275GT, a car featured nowhere in the video for The Power Station’s 1985 hit cover of “Get It On (Bang a Gong)?”

 

Or that an anagram* for acronym for “Get It On (Bang a Gong)” is BAGGIO, the name of an Italian former professional soccerball player Dino Baggio, who was born in 1971, the same year that “Get It On (Bang a Gong)” was a hit for T. Rex? And that “dino” is a common short way of saying “dinosaur,” of which I will remind you T. Rex was a type of?

I think, given all these facts, any reasonable person can only conclude that 9/11 never happened.

*As pointed out by the quick-witted and handsome Florida Man

Comments

255 responses to “Weird Wednesday: Conspiracy Edition”

  1. Vhyrus

    That is some solid prog logic. You could teach law at Harvard with a mind like that.

  2. Florida Man

    I watched the zero-g strip scene in Barbarella and that’s as far as I got.

    1. Festus

      Mid-Sixties Jane was hotter than a pancake skillet. Just think, Jerry Brown got to bed, wed and divorce that AND become twice-Governor of California ( the curlicue on the cone). Fucken Jerry. Imma start wearing love-beads and preaching Marxism before the arthritis finally puts me on crutches if I can bag some prime Jane Fonda ass!

  3. BakedPenguin

    I concur.

    *drinks colloidal silver*

    1. jesse.in.mb

      Are you blue?

      1. BakedPenguin

        I don’t know why I was expecting this.

      2. You should have linked to this.

          1. And god bless Eurovision for introducing it to us.

        1. SQWRLZ

          I was expecting this

          1. dbleagle

            I was thinking of the classic.

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqZHdjoxPP8

            But the young Leann Rimes nailed it as well.

    2. Hyperion

      Dude, that’s so meh now. The plutonium powder is all the rage now. You put it in soup.

  4. F. Stupidity Jr.

    Nothing melts steel. Nothing. All the metal we use is found naturally in sheets and beams.

    And of course, to topple a building, the steel beams would have to melt completely, like into molten form. Just damaging steel won’t do the trick.

    1. Number.6

      Poor old Rosie O’Donnell’s plastic, deformed personality might at least have some self-awareness.

  5. Number.6

    Marc Bolan, whose last performance was reputed to be “Tie a yellow mini round the old oak tree?

    Too soon?

    1. Marc Bolan’s widow was Gloria Jones, singer of the original version of “Tainted Love”.

  6. Florida Man

    SF, have you actually watched Theodore Rex? I need to know how bad it really is.

    1. SugarFree

      I have, but it was a long time ago. I remember it was basically ALF as an action movie. Pretty horrible.

      Maybe Gojira will review it for us.

      (Cross promotional synergy!)

      1. Florida Man

        I hope so. I’m compelled to watch terrible movies.

        *hides copy of Resident evil: final chapter*

        1. Pan Zagloba

          Pls no speak ill of Resident Evil. Only series where lead actress gets hotter with each passing movie.

          1. John Titor

            Ah yes, “Actress Welfare because I’m Banging the Director: The Series.”

          2. Juvenile Bluster

            I thought that was Transformers.

          3. Florida Man

            Zing!

          4. John Titor

            Resident Evil’s a lot more transparent about it because she’s married to him and it’s the only real work she’s gotten for over a decade now.

          5. He got a role for his wife in a movie?

            That’s certainly nepotism, but reducing marriage to “banging” – I’m not sure about that.

          6. John Titor

            They were banging for the first couple movies, then got married about halfway through the series, then kept making movies. She is only there, and her character only exists, because she is banging the director. Anyone competent would have cut the character, or at least changed the lead to some better by now.

          7. Pan Zagloba

            She’s been a lead actress in the series since before they married, and series is profitable, so it’s a bit more than welfare for wifey.

            but yes, at age 42, she’s going beyond Holywood acceptable lifespan for Action Girl, so work is drying up. And that was supposedly last RE movie. I didn’t see it because, while I’m fond of those movies, it doesn’t extend to paying for them, so until Netflix gets it…

          8. Gilmore

            Michael Bay says there are 14 future ‘Transformers’ movies already written

            That sounds like a threat

          9. That’s certainly nepotism, but reducing marriage to “banging” – I’m not sure about that.

            Blame the catechism. Marriage is about banging and spitting out kids like a Pez dispenser.

          10. Let’s take a look at the ol’ Catechism:

            IN BRIEF

            1659 St. Paul said: “Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the Church. . . . This is a great mystery, and I mean in reference to Christ and the Church” (Eph 5:25, 32).

            1660 The marriage covenant, by which a man and a woman form with each other an intimate communion of life and love, has been founded and endowed with its own special laws by the Creator. By its very nature it is ordered to the good of the couple, as well as to the generation and education of children. Christ the Lord raised marriage between the baptized to the dignity of a sacrament (cf. CIC, can. 1055 § 1; cf. GS 48 § 1).

            1661 The sacrament of Matrimony signifies the union of Christ and the Church. It gives spouses the grace to love each other with the love with which Christ has loved his Church; the grace of the sacrament thus perfects the human love of the spouses, strengthens their indissoluble unity, and sanctifies them on the way to eternal life (cf. Council of Trent: DS 1799).

            1662 Marriage is based on the consent of the contracting parties, that is, on their will to give themselves, each to the other, mutually and definitively, in order to live a covenant of faithful and fruitful love.

            “1663 Since marriage establishes the couple in a public state of life in the Church, it is fitting that its celebration be public, in the framework of a liturgical celebration, before the priest (or a witness authorized by the Church), the witnesses, and the assembly of the faithful.

            “1664 Unity, indissolubility, and openness to fertility are essential to marriage. Polygamy is incompatible with the unity of marriage; divorce separates what God has joined together; the refusal of fertility turns married life away from its “supreme gift,” the child (GS 50 § 1).

            “1665 The remarriage of persons divorced from a living, lawful spouse contravenes the plan and law of God as taught by Christ. They are not separated from the Church, but they cannot receive Eucharistic communion. They will lead Christian lives especially by educating their children in the faith.

            “1666 The Christian home is the place where children receive the first proclamation of the faith. For this reason the family home is rightly called “the domestic church,” a community of grace and prayer, a school of human virtues and of Christian charity.”

          11. Irving Thalberg didn’t think Norma Shearer could do The Divorcee, so she had to convince him by doing a sexy photo shoot.

          12. Florida Man

            I’ve watched them all. I even bought the promotional cocktail when I saw RE:7. I’m not proud of that.

      2. Gojira

        Hard pass.

      3. Juvenile Bluster

        Has HDTGM ever done that movie? I can’t remember, but I feel like they probably have.

        1. Yes

          BROUGHT TO YOU BY SQUARESPACE

    2. John Titor

      I watched that stoned in university. The novelty of how stupid it is passes pretty quickly.

      1. Playa Manhattan

        WTF is university?

    3. SugarFree

      “You cannot eat our only suspect!”

      The trailer, set to… what else? Was Not Was.

      1. Florida Man

        …that trailer gave me cancer…

        1. Gojira

          meme

          1. Juice

            I wanted to know how to post images here so I looked at the page source and the URL for that image gave me cancer.

      2. SimonD

        What the hell did I just watch? That was a spoof video, right?

    1. “Murder She Tweeted”

    2. I must say, the Plinkett review of “The Force Awakens” was kind of a let-down.

      1. cyto

        That “cynical comedy takedown” genre must be very difficult to maintain.

        The Filthy Critic was brilliant in his heyday. My favorite movie review line of all time was the opening line from his review of “How The Grinch Stole Christmas”.

        Someone shit under the Christmas tree, and this year it wasn’t me.

        That’s a pretty strong opening.

        But he’s petered away and lost his mojo.

        Similarly, the chronicling of everything problematic over at everything’s a problem is epic.

        Responding to a Jezebel tweet saying “Finally, women do more than giving birth and dying in Star Wars: The Force Awakens” he writes:

        This was a very good point; after all, who can forget Princess Leia doing literally nothing but giving birth and dying in the original trilogy? Remember the controversial “preggers Leia makes cookies barefoot whilst hanging out on Endor waiting for the menfolk to come home” scene? Shockingly retrograde, even for 1983.

        But the site died last summer, after taking down the epic failure, Ghostbusters: Three Women and a Token.

  7. Florida Man

    Or that the acronym for “Get It On (Bang a Gong)” is BAGGIO, the name of an Italian former professional soccerball player Dino Baggio,

    Just noticed a flaw in your analysis. The acronym would be GIOBAG. I will grant you an anagram if the acronym is technically correct.

    1. SugarFree

      Gah! I was reading the song backwards. My brains!

      1. Number.6

        Continental reversal.

      2. BakedPenguin

        Eh, you acronym-ed it the way Bolan sang it.

        1. SugarFree

          There’s been a lot of T. Rex popping up lately. I heard “Jeepster” on the campus radio station and Legion used “Children of the Revolution” in the season finale last week.

          1. BakedPenguin

            I heard “Jeepster” on the campus radio station…

            Ugh. I thought Bang a Gong was a decent song, but Jeepster? Uh, no…

          2. SugarFree

            I mean, it’s no “Telegram Sam.”

          3. BakedPenguin

            Ok, I’m officially triggered.

          4. SIV

            Great song. The Slider was the second record I ever bought. The Bauhaus cover really rocks too.

          5. SIV

            Band A Gong by Blondie

          6. Timeloose

            I have been listening to a lot of T-Rex as well. I got in to them over time once I found so many bands I liked were influenced by them. Love and Rockets, Bauhaus, 80’s shoegaser stuff as well as many of the early 2000’s “the” bands.

    2. leonadasiv

      Call it a anagram acronym.

  8. Gilmore

    (polite applause)

    Robert Palmer’s 1970s solo records (i think all for Island) are all pretty badass.

    the first, Sneakin’ Sally Through the Alley was backed by The Meters, Lowell George, Bernard Purdie on a few tracks, and uncredited Bonnie Raitt on backing vox. The title song is actually played as part of a medley which is considered one of the slicker bits of music the Meters did since Dr John’s Right Place/Wrong Time

    but the other records all have gems on them as well. James Jamerson played on the second one, and Lowell George & Allen Toussaint written-tunes were a consistent feature. It seemed like everyone was sure he was going to blow up and have a huge hit (every record had at least 1 cheesy cover tune), but it never quite happened until the 1980s, and i think people my age had no idea that he had such a funky/soulful back-catalogue .

    1. BakedPenguin

      James Jamerson

      Good bassist.

    2. westernsloper

      Did you learn all this stuff behind a turntable in your Fila track suit? I am lucky if I remember the names of the bands I listened to in the 70s-80s.

      1. Gilmore

        Did you learn all this stuff behind a turntable in your Fila track suit?

        no, i got turned on to The Meters in junior-high by a friend’s older-brother, and i discovered 70s Robert Palmer via tracking down other things they’d played on. I didn’t touch a turntable until after college.

    3. Scruffy Nerfherder

      I actually got to see Palmer back in the 90s when the Power Station got back together for a reunion tour.

      The man was badass.

      1. Gilmore

        all of his 70s Island records had a running theme of “i get so much pussy its crazy

  9. John Titor

    Also, if we’re going to be talking about 9/11 conspiracies, I still think the guys who made Red Alert 2 knew something was up.

  10. Juvenile Bluster

    Jet fuel can’t melt the Mini 1275GT. This conspiracy goes deeper than you think.

  11. Gojira

    FORZA INTER!!!

    1. The Last American Hero

      There were no dinosaurs in the book version. Just a lot of insight into America’s first dictator of the 20th century.

      1. SugarFree

        Billy and the Cloneasaurus?

  12. AlmightyJB

    I’m sorry only T. REX did Get It On. No one else. So basically your theory is shot to hell right out of the gate.

    1. SugarFree

      Don’t gaslight me, bro.

  13. AlmightyJB

    For HM. Some Robert Palmer.

    https://youtu.be/anIdxLD_Vf0

    1. The Last American Hero

      I heard a conspiracy theory that the chicks in that video were dudes.

      1. AlmightyJB

        Still would

  14. westernsloper

    I think, given all these facts, any reasonable person can only conclude that 9/11 never happened.

    MY ASS1!!11! It proves Dino Baggio did it. Where is the bastard?

    1. SugarFree

      “Retired” I think we all know what that means.

      1. westernsloper

        Retired in 1999 two years before 9/11. Just enough time to plan it. After this pure evil:

        Baggio committed a foul on Gianluca Zambrotta, and was shown a controversial straight red card by referee Stefano Farina. In protest, Baggio made the “money sign” towards the referee, and subsequently spat on the ground close to Farina.[2] Baggio was criticised for his behaviour, and was handed a two match ban, in addition to being fined 20 million lire, by his club, for the gesture.

        Attitude problem and looks Saudi to me. They are lucky he did not pull a cord on a suicide vest on the field. He is the mastermind.

        1. Hyperion

          Well, most people do not even know that Paul McCartney is the true anti-Christ. But the facts are all right there.

  15. Jefe Hayek

    Duran Duran was awesome. Just letting you folks know

    1. Gilmore

      i was reading about Warren Cuccurullo the other day, and it seemed kind of sad that the guy saved Duran Duran from self-destruction, only to have them diss him when they finally had their reunion tour. Especially given that he wrote the only real hit song they had in the 1990s (Ordinary World)

      And to bring the subject full circle … here is Warren Cuccurullo offering his take on 9-11 and its connection to pornography

      1. You should do an Eddie-style six part write up of his life and accomplishments. Titled “Of course I’ll introduce you to Warren” of course.

        1. Gilmore

          i think “Zappa to Duran-Duran” is a weird career leap, but not the craziest thing ever. Everyone who played for zappa was A+ talent to begin with.

      2. westernsloper

        Warren seems to be an interesting fellow.

  16. Pan Zagloba

    French idea of horror? Badly prepared food: Cannibal film Raw is not meant to make you sick, says Julia Ducournau

    Many of the headlines about French cannibal film Raw over the past few months have focused on people fainting and being given sick bags.

    “That’s a shame,” sighs its director Julia Ducournau as she glances at a recent article about a screening in Los Angeles.

    “It clearly doesn’t do justice for my movie, which is not a barf fest. I think it’s very reductive.”
    ….
    The first horror film Ducournau ever saw was The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, Tobe Hooper’s 1974 shocker about a family of cannibals.

    She was six years old.

    “My parents took me to a dinner party and put me in the bedroom in front of cartoons. I changed channels and saw a part of the movie. But I didn’t know what I was looking at.”

    She admits she “got bored” and didn’t see the film’s most disturbing scenes. Seeing it years later as a teenager, it had a “traumatic effect” on her.

      1. Rufus the Monocled

        That’s an under statement.

        1. DenverJ

          I’d practice cannibalism on her, if you know what I mean…

          1. Pomp

            If she was a tranny, you’d eat her bone?

          2. westernsloper

            I think the proper terminology is, “gobble the hog”.

          3. DenverJ

            That’s not what I meant. Not even close. What is wrong with you people?

          4. DenverJ

            Also, link from real clear science about canabalism.

  17. Jefe Hayek

    Minority Neighborhoods Have Higher Auto Insurance Premiums Than White Communities With The Same Risk

    Surprisingly, this isn’t even accurate and the methodology doesn’t include theft, vandalism, or fraud.

    Hmm, wonder why the did that??? The comments are gold, as always

    1. mikey

      WTF. Jalopnik just getting more and more political. Are they trying to be ESPN? I used to got there everyday for irreverent car shit. Particularly,about weird stuff that I thought no one else liked. NO\ow I stop by once in awhile, see something like this (or Uber bashing) and leave. Hmmmm. Sounds a bit familiar.

      1. Jefe Hayek

        Their Uber bashing is so transparent it kills me.

        UBER DRIVER CAUGHT SELLING HEROIN (at home…drove for Uber once…2 years ago)

        But yeah, Jalopnik and their new Foxtrot Alpha writer have taken the politics up about 10 notches. As with ESPN, the people yelling stick to sports aren’t saying that because they think politics aren’t important, it’s that they realize the people at ESPN and Jalopnik are simply out of their depth. No one wants to be preached to by people dumber than themselves

    2. westernsloper

      ShiftKnob28 Ryan Felton 4/05/17 4:23pm Doesn’t really surprise me, and it’s never going to change. It’s the same as the gender wage gap. Women who are just as qualified as men and most likely smarter, will be paid less.

      Comment approved by Elizabeth Warren.
      (great link last post)

      ~~~magic edit fairy~~~

      1. westernsloper

        tag fail, use your imagination

        1. DenverJ

          I’m not going to enact your labor for you, slaver.

      2. westernsloper

        Thanks magic edit fairy!

    3. AlmightyJB

      I blame Hit n Run

    4. Rhywun

      Heard that on the news, immediately thought “fake news”.

  18. Hyperion

    I think you’re onto something there, but I have no idea what it is. This is really a different side of SugarFree.

    1. Gilmore

      That’s just what they want you to think

  19. Rufus the Monocled

    GRANDE CENTRO CAMPISTI DINO BAGGIO!

    1. quincy

      Illuminati confirmed.

    1. westernsloper

      Thanks. I will be playing that every time I make dinner right before I put it on the plate.

  20. Hyperion

    *making fresh salsa*

    1. JaimeRoberto

      Is that like making guacamole? https://youtu.be/vIc726aBKL0

      1. Hyperion

        No, there’s no avocado in it. But like with guac, you don’t cook it. Cooked salsa is an abomination. It’s also not pico de gallo despite having some of the same ingredients.

        1. JaimeRoberto

          Oh, I thought it was a euphemism for something else.

          Met her at the Mercado
          She was buying avocados
          Man… she really turned me on

          She reached for my pepper
          I grabbed her tomatoes
          And I knew, it wouldn’t be very long

          Guacamole! GUACAMOLE!
          Guacamole! GUACAMOLE!
          We’d me making Guacamole all night long

          1. Viking1865

            Reckless Kelly does a great cover of that tune off their live album “Reckless Kelly Was Here”

  21. Fatty Bolger

    Wow. Wow. I mean, just, WOW! I can’t believe what I just read. “Quick-witted” and “Florida man” in the same sentence? Mind. Blown.

  22. DenverJ

    Not sure if this link will work, it might be the mobile link, but, basically, the guy is mad because Trump won’t use “human rights” as an excuse to involve the US in yet another Mideast war, in Syria. I mean, humanitarian wars have worked out so well the last 20 yrs…
    Progs claim to be peacenicks, but they know that war is the health of the state.

    1. Mike Schmidt

      “He seems to have a view that he’s the president of the United States and it’s the job of the president of the United States to protect the interests of the American people — and the interests of the American people come ahead of the interests of citizens of other countries,” said Paul J. Saunders, the executive director of the Center for the National Interest in Washington.

      How dare he!! That son of a bitch!!!!11!!!11

      1. Lackadaisical

        The best part is that he works for something called “Center for the National Interest”… but is against our pursuing the national interest.

    2. Akira

      “Progs claim to be peacenicks, but they know that war is the health of the state.”

      It was a huge disappointment and a huge political turning point for me when I realized this. When I was in high school and the Iraq War was in full swing, I described myself as an actual communist and vowed to vote Democrat as soon as I was older. As I got older and encountered such things as taxes, I moved away from the left, then I took a hard turn for libertarianism when Ron Paul ran in ’08. Anyway, what little shreds of respect I had for the left were blown away when Mr. Nobel Peace Prize tried to extend the Iraq War, then started several new wars of his own.

      Lefties never really were against war; they just wanted to poopoo the Republicans over something. Hell, they turned out in droves last November to vote for Hillary Clinton, a woman who supported every war of her entire career.

      1. Hyperion

        I pointed out to a few progs that Hillary is a war monger neocon. An undeniable fact. They seemed astounded that I could make such a claim. I invited them to look at her record and her rhetoric. Well, they never came back to challenge me on that.

        It’s ok when they do it.

        1. Viking1865

          I once had a prog shrug and explain to me that it was totally necessary for her to vote for all those wars, because if she voted against them then the Republicans would label her as a hippie. Because that’s the real threat: that she would lose an election.

          Which she did. To a warthog faced buffoon who took up politics as a hobby and spent half the money she did.

          She
          Will
          Never
          Be
          President.

          1. Hyperion

            She
            Will
            Never
            Be
            President

            Them is some sweet words, right there.

        2. DenverJ

          Actually, it’s just more of the progressive deflection. Republicans (other than bush the minor) are remarkably less prone to starting wars (also forget McCain and whatever his butt buddy’s name is).
          Historically, the Democrats are very interventionist, and have started many more wars than Republicans have.
          I will leave it to the reader to decide if the civil war was caused by the Dems or the Lincolnists.

          1. Hyperion

            “also forget McCain and whatever his butt buddy’s name is”

            Lindsey Graham. Both big fans of Hillary. Neocons stick together.

          2. “I will leave it to the reader to decide if the civil war was caused by the Dems or the Lincolnists.”

            I think that depends.

            If you think Lincoln was legitimately concerned about the spread of slavery and that the Confederate states split off because they wanted to perpetuate and extend slavery, then that would make the Confederates the aggressors, that is, the ones who wanted to spread the evil rather than contain it.

            If you think the whole slavery thing was exaggerated – “lol there was no slave power conspiracy, slavery was on the way out, etc.” – or if you think slavery was a cover for big tariffs or whatever the anti-Lincoln thing is, then the North would be the aggressors for freaking out over secession which can be a perfectly valid took for self-determination.

            I think the Confederates, judging from their own actions and declarations, wanted to have a country run in the interests of slavery, and if the U. S. couldn’t be that country, they’d make their own country.

          3. Hyperion

            So, ‘Eddie’, is it true that Lincoln said something to the effect of ‘If I could end the war without freeing a single slave, I would do so’? You seem to be an active researcher of American history, so just wondering if that’s true or just something made up.

          4. Yes, it’s true.

            And Lincoln was sincere, even though he delayed the punch line: At the time of the letter he had *already* decided to free the slaves in the Confederate states, as a war measure.

            But he ran in 1860 on a platform of leaving slavery alone where it existed, but keeping it from spreading.

            So for him to change his mind required new circumstances – like a war. A war persisting longer than most people thought.

          5. Hyperion

            And yet he’s held up by progressives as the greatest (and therefore most progressive) president of all time. And yet it seems clear that he wasn’t so interested in ending slavery, but in keeping the power of a united nation intact.

          6. And there’s the story, which is too good to check but I’ve seen it cited a lot, that Lincoln wanted proslavery Unionists to support him, so he wanted God on his side but he *had* to have Kentucky, a border state for which both sides were contending.

            And bear in mind that the Emancipation Proclamation didn’t occur in a vacuum. Slaves were escaping North, and Congress had passed emancipationist measures. So Lincoln was in a fluid situation. And the Confederates were courting foreign powers.

            If the Civil War was just two gangs of slavers shooting at each other, the European powers could lean to the Confederacy with a good conscience, since both sides were guilty. But if the North took up the cause of abolition, then that would be embarrassing to the European powers whose populations were to a great extent antislavery.

          7. I was thinking of doing an article on this – Lincoln expected that, if contained, slavery would die out over a couple generations. The Confederate leaders often thought this too, which is why they seceded.

            Lincoln was a gradualist (to the irritation of abolitionists) but he was certainly antislavery and he sincerely believed his policies would hurt slavery, and many of his enemies thought the same.

          8. But yeah, when the war started he thought the one key issue was preserving the Union.

            In that sense the Confederates did abolitionists a favor because they prolonged the war to the extent that the feds began adopting antislavery measures to hurt the Confederate war machine.

            Not to mention that once Lincoln issued his Proclamation, he had a really awesome recruiting took for black people, and there were lots of whites who were happy to see black people enjoying the right to get shot in the war and take the burden somewhat off the whites.

          9. awesome recruiting *tool*

          10. DenverJ

            Except one thing, Eddy. The Federal government was created by the independent States, and, as is documented in the Constitution itself, some of those States were slave States.
            We all agree that slavery is immoral.
            But, the slave States who joined the United States had every right to leave that federation after the promises made to them, and embodied in the Constitution, were broken.
            I have no problem with the outcome of the civil war; I take issue with the federal government enforcing it’s will against supposedly free States, because the precedent enabled the idea of Federal supremacy, and spelt the end of Republican government, ironically so considering the names of the political parties involved.

          11. DenverJ

            So, I guess I do have a problem with the outcome of the civil war.

          12. That was a key side effect. That and all the death and maiming and destruction.

            Only a few people actually said before the war, and meant it seriously – “let’s have a lot of bloodshed if that’s what it takes to get rid of slavery.” John Brown, of course, said something similar.

            But most people – I should say most *white* people – were not into that level of sacrifice, even if they disliked slavery.

            When the casualties mounted – unexpectedly for most people – then there was the “not died in vain” factor to get people to keep fighting.

          13. Frank Meyer, the philosopher I admire, said the bad thing about the Civil War is it ended the ambiguity about secession. Before the war, neither the states nor the federal government knew how far they could legitimately go in confronting each other, so state/federal conflicts didn’t go to extremes.

            Now that secession is authoritatively off the table, a key deterrent to federal overreach is abolished.

            Not sure if I fully support Meyer’s idea here, but at least it’s complex and nuanced – you know, like progs say *their* ideas are and conservatives’ ideas aren’t.

          14. Remember that conservatives are “uncomfortable with ambiguity.”

            Meyer’s interpretation of history *relied* on ambiguity as a deterrent for usurpation on either side.

          15. Hyperion

            The federalism thing is interesting, considering modern day happenings with the idea of secession.

            Remember a few years back when TX was talking secession? Progs absolutely shit their pants. Interestingly enough, if there is any state that could probably survive and even thrive after seceding, it’s probably TX.

            And now? CA is going to secede with the full support of all the starry eyed progs!

            They’ll absolutely have to build a wall. Not to keep the rest of us out, but to keep their businesses and and citizens in after they become Venezuela do Norte.

          16. I’d say that secession is a tool, good if used for good, bad if used for bad.

            So splitting off from the British Empire and getting free of King Inbred-soon-to-go-crazy George III, would be good secession.

            Splitting off from the USA because you want a slave republic – not so good.

          17. (recall that the “loyal” colony of Jamaica was about as slave-y as you can get.)

          18. DenverJ

            Eddy: the threading issue, this as close as i can reply.
            I like this subject; I think it’s probably the most important issue in US history, and you seem to know even more than I.
            You should right an article, although so should I, and time is short and you already contribute much more than most.

          19. I’d say that secession is a tool, good if used for good, bad if used for bad.
            So splitting off from the British Empire and getting free of King Inbred-soon-to-go-crazy George III, would be good secession.
            Splitting off from the USA because you want a slave republic – not so good.

            What if you split off because the Federal Government is trying to compel you to kill others who have seceded?

      2. John Titor

        If there wasn’t enough evidence of the left’s complete hypocrisy when it came to war, people bellowing and moaning about ‘Trump having access to nuclear weapons’ while Clinton was openly saying she’d shoot down the planes of a nuclear power (not to mention bomb Russian military installations for her ‘no fly zone’) and was entirely unquestioned about it was the final nail in the coffin.

        1. AlmightyJB

          Well they get all of their news from Derpbook sites that they like. They’re completely ignorant of what’s really going on.

        2. Rufus the Monocled

          I seem to recall, not entirely off topic, some claiming Clinton’s bombing campaign in Kosovo was illegal – The Economist at the time called it as ‘close to altruism’ a government can get in the circumstances.

          War is nothing new to the Clintons.

    3. westernsloper

      Mr. Trump has dispensed with what he considers pointless moralizing and preachy naïveté. He has taken foreign policy to its most realpolitik moment in generations, playing down issues of human rights or democracy that animated his predecessors.

      There is some good spin in those sentences. I only heard sound bites of the news conference on the radio when Trump addressed the chemical attack. He hardly sounded as if he was playing it down. But, good on him for not doing the, “pointless moralizing and preachy naïveté” that was the entire Obama foreign policy. (+ handing Libya to ISIS as well as a good chunk of Iraq and Syria where the idiots actually armed ISIS)

  23. AlmightyJB

    Well, I haven’t gotten any calls. Which is good because I’m really too busy right now to be on this list.

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/04/05/pro-isis-hackers-release-kill-list-with-8786-targets-in-us-uk.html

    1. Hyperion

      Huh, I’m apparently not on the list either. And I am thee fucking infidel and unrepentant eater of bacon and partaker of hedonism and sinful things. Those guys are some real pikers, no?

      1. AlmightyJB

        I’m still trying to figure out how to get a fatwa issued on my ass. It’s not for lack of trying.

        1. mexican sharpshooter

          Have you tried the old lighting a Qur’an on fire on YouTube trick?

          1. Hyperion

            No, that won’t do it. You have to first wrap it in bacon and then piss on it to put in out after it’s too late to do so. Then you go on a rant about camel fuckers. Wow, you guys are some real amateurs.

          2. mexican sharpshooter

            My next suggestion was to draw Mohammed getting ganged banged by a group of pigs.

          3. Hyperion

            Bacon strapons worn by infidels?

          4. mexican sharpshooter

            Bacon strapons? Whatever you are into, cowboy.

          5. SQWRLZ

            Like this?

          6. dbleagle

            From the Onion: Nobody Murdered Because of this Image

            NSFW in fact probably NSFMany

            http://www.theonion.com/article/no-one-murdered-because-of-this-image-29553

    2. John Titor

      I think the chance of any libertarians being on that list is rather low, unless there’s doing some kind of random draw.

      The hackers, known as the United Cyber Caliphate

      Christ guys, learn the lore.

      1. DenverJ

        “cybernetics” smart guy.

      2. Agent Cooper

        I once saw The Christ Guys open for Amy Grant in Poughkeepsie at the Cuneen-Hackett Arts Center.

    3. SQWRLZ

      Where can you get the full Daesh kill list, without, y’know, logging into a Daesh site?
      I can’t be narcissistic enough to think I’m on it, but… I might be narcissistic enough to think I’m on it cause I liked a FB page called “Fuck Daesh”.

      1. AlmightyJB

        I named all of my children Fuck Daesh.

        1. SQWRLZ

          As a statement and not a directive, I hope.

      2. westernsloper

        I am sure the spooks in the Gubmint will let you know if you are on it. They are here to help!

        1. SQWRLZ

          At zero dark thirty with a whisper-quiet chopper and a head bag with my name on it?
          /tinfoil

    4. Drake

      If I make the list, do you think I’ll finally qualify for a carry permit in New Jersey?

      1. Hyperion

        Jersey, the asshole of the world. At least it’s a reason for us Murlanders to feel good.

  24. AlmightyJB

    Trump arresting record low number of Mexican border crossers.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39505999

    1. Hyperion

      You know, this is one thing that is very interesting. The left are now asking questions like the one from the article:

      Who is going to pay for Trump’s wall?

      These are the same people who have never asked one fucking time in their existence who’s going to pay for something. What a bunch of disingenuous shitheads.

      1. AlmightyJB

        + Shovel ready projects

      2. Fatty Bolger

        These are the same people who told us it didn’t matter how the 2009 stimulus money was spent, right?

      3. thrakkorzog

        These are the same people demanding free college and free health care. Nobody has to pay for it because it is free, duh. Or if anybody is going to pay, it is just going to be the rich. Nevermind that there aren’t nearly enough rich people out there to pay for it, unless you count every family making $50k a year as rich.

        1. Hyperion

          “unless you count every family making $50k a year as rich.”

          Well, that’s it. You may want to lower that number a little. The middle class pays for everything. And that’s all swell for leftists, because socialism cannot succeed without elimination of the middle class. The middle class are the kulaks, wreckers, and hoarders who always ruin it.

          1. Hyperion

            Should have went on to say that socialism also cannot exist without the middle class. It’s an unsolvable problem. Whoever made up that quote about socialism working until you run out of other peoples’ money, nailed it.

        2. westernsloper

          Or if anybody is going to pay, it is just going to be the rich.

          Yes, tax the millionaires Bernie and Hillary said. When Trumphitler gets asked that question he should say, “I am taking a page out of Bernies book, and I have decided we will make the Mexican millionaires pay for the wall”.

          I have a wrinkled ten dollar bill that says they would come back with, “but they are the ones employing the Mexican people. You can’t make them pay for it!”.

    2. DenverJ

      Arrest? I thought Hitler was going to put them in death camps. Damnit, I shoulda voted for Hillary.

    1. thrakkorzog

      If we’re listing conspiracy theories, New Coke was created in order to down play the switch from sugar to HFCS.

      1. That makes sense.

        I drink Pepsi much more often these days, because they have the “sugar based soda”. The “Pepsi 1890” is pretty good, but the ginger version is a little harsh.

        Mt. Dew Black Label is really good.

        I also like Mt. Dew Pitch Black, but it’s hard to find.

      2. Hyperion

        There’s also a coke with stevia. I like it, but my wife thinks it’s an abomination. No doubt it’s healthier for you.

        1. I wasn’t crazy about stevia; it tastes too much like artificial sweetener to me.

          Heck, it took me several tries to get used to actual sugar–it doesn’t taste as sweet as HFCS.

          1. Hyperion

            I like it a lot. It has a sort of spicy and almost licorice like taste to it. I’ve never seen a woman who likes it. But tastes ok to me and zero calories.

          2. SQWRLZ

            stevia *might* induce insulin secretion like other fake sugars.
            Dunno fershur, but I gave up soda anyway.
            I rarely get a Mt Dew to keep driving, but when I do, it’s the full-sugar version.

          3. Hyperion

            I don’t drink soda at all either. A few drinks of it and it just seems sickening sweet. Blech.

          4. SQWRLZ

            Yup, seems almost “crunchy” with the sugar.

          5. SQWRLZ

            Ephedrine (trucker’s buddy) is far superior to caffeine+sugar (Mt Dew), and it temporarily cures asthma!
            Also a great pre-workout.
            But *METHIDEMIC*!
            Legalize ephedrine.

          6. Hyperion

            I agree about ephedrine. And buy the way, it’s legal. You just have to put your name of a list of possible drug dealers to get it, because most people who make it to congress are slaver douchebags.

          7. Hyperion

            Ok, by the way, not ‘buy the way’. Nothing has changed much in the last 500 years. There is no enlightenment. If there ever was one, it’s over. Anything that makes you feel good is a ‘sin’, and you must be punished.

          8. SQWRLZ

            What med, exactly, is ephedrine that you can get OTC with signature now? Not disputing, just interested.

          9. Mike Schmidt

            You can get Sudephed with “Vitamin E” in it if you sign your name and give your addy. And probably your dick size too.

          10. Hyperion

            What med, exactly, is ephedrine that you can get OTC with signature now?

            Claritin D?

          11. Mike Schmidt

            Scroll to the bottom of this page. It lists the medicines that have pseudoephedrine in them

          12. SQWRLZ

            In my 15 year old camping equipment, because of my allergies/asthma, I found *ephedrine* tablets I stowed. I will probably now be prosecuted as a meth dealer because of my possession of pre-manufacture chemicals.

          13. SQWRLZ

            Claritin D = PSEUDOephidrine+Loratidine

          14. SQWRLZ

            I’m talking ephedrine. The real, shit. Now basically outlawed that cures athsma.

          15. Hyperion

            Trust me, that PSEUDOephidrine is the real thing. The other ingredient as far as I can tell is a placebo. If you want real ephedra, just grow it, I’m pretty sure it’s legal.

          16. Mike Schmidt

            Yeah, I’m with Hype. Prety certain teh Truckers Buddy was always PSEUDOephedrine. I may have consumed large amounts of it in college

          17. Mike Schmidt

            According to Difference Between.net there is a diference. It sounds like the pseudo version would be the best one for asthma. But who knows. Here’s the high points of the article:

            1. Ephedrine and Pseudoephedrine are both classified under stimulants that mimic what adrenaline does to the body.
            2. Ephedrine and Pseudoephedrine are both precursors of methamphetamine.
            3. Ephedrine and Pseudoephedrine differ in chemical structure found in its hydroxyl branch. One is a cis and one is trans.
            4. Ephedrine is typically used to counteract orthostatic hypotension while pseudoephedrine is used to decongest nasal passages. Though both have the capacity to increase the blood pressure of patients, ephedrine has a more powerful effect.

          18. SQWRLZ

            This was pre-2004. Ephedrine. Not sure of the efficacy anymore, but probably illegal for me to have.

          19. Hyperion

            Both ephedrine and pseudoephedrine are derived directly from the plant. I’t not like pseudoephedrine is some fake ephedrine.

            You can make a tea from the plant. It’s been used in Chinese medicine for 6000 years.

          20. Hyperion

            “probably illegal for me to have.”

            Where do you live? It is absolutely NOT illegal in the USA.

          21. SQWRLZ

            PS- I’m in Indiana, since you asked Hyp, the METH CAPITAL OF THE F’ING WORLD if you believe it.

          22. Gustave Lytton

            Unless you live in one of those states that requires a prescription to purchase. Gee, what causes healthcare costs to rise again?

          23. SQWRLZ

            OK, I’ll test it over the next 2 days. First day the (10 years expired) ephedrine, and second day the phenylephrine you get OTC no sig I use daily.

          24. SQWRLZ

            phenyl- or pseudo- I am not convinced are suitable alternatives to ephedrine.

          25. Mike Schmidt

            phenylephrine is NOT pseudoephedrine. You are clear on that aren’t you?

            And yes, pre 2004 (very PRE) I was taking pseudoephedrine to stay awake in college.

          26. Mike Schmidt

            From the Wikipedia page on the Ephedra plant

            A wide variety of alkaloid and non-alkaloid compounds have been identified in various species of ephedra. Of the six ephedrine-type ingredients found in ephedra (at concentrations of 0.02-3.4%), the most common are ephedrine and pseudoephedrine,[12] which are the sources of its stimulant and thermogenic effects

          27. SQWRLZ

            Yes, I realize that now. Claritin D (pseudo-) is closer to what fully works. Maybe I’ll get another pack of that to test instead of the (true) OTC Phenyl-.

      3. I also think that Hillary C. does have some serious health issue or issues.

        I think Bill gave her some VD he picked up.

        1. Hyperion

          Yeah, health issues no doubt. And a murderous sociopath unable to feel empathy for anyone, absolutely no doubt.

    2. The real author was the Earl of Sandwich.

      That is, the Earl of Bacon, Lettuce and Tomato Sandwich.

      1. Is that restaurant still around? The sandwiches weren’t bad, but they were expensive.

        Anyway, I claim to be an Oxfordian, but in reality I think that William Shakespeare was a nom de plume used by various authors to avoid being thrown into jail by the government.

        1. I know that Richard II got the players in trouble because the Earl of Essex commissioned a performance as a gesture against Queen Elizabeth…is that what you’re referencing?

          1. thrakkorzog

            Something to keep in mind with Shakespeare’s histories is that a lot of the nobles on the losing sides still kept their titles.

            So while there weren’t any Plantaganets around, there were a lot of nobles whose ancestors fought on the losing side of the War of the Roses, and wouldn’t exactly be thrilled thrilled about their ancestors being depicted as child killers.

          2. Hyperion

            “a lot of the nobles on the losing sides still kept their titles.”

            So nothing much has changed?

          3. There is a theory (related in the video I linked) that Christopher Marlowe faked his own death, moved to Italy, and wrote the Shakespeare “Italian Plays”, because he had been called to present himself in the Star Chamber to explain his atheism.

          4. Aren’t the Star Chamber’s records still available?

          5. No, and anyway I see that the only references to anyone named Marlowe during Elizabeth I’s reign are cases of civil litigation.

          6. He says “Star Chamber”, but it was a Privy Council.

            In early May 1593 several bills were posted about London threatening Protestant refugees from France and the Netherlands who had settled in the city. One of these, the “Dutch church libel”,[29] written in rhymed iambic pentameter, contained allusions to several of Marlowe’s plays and was signed, “Tamburlaine”. On 11 May the Privy Council ordered the arrest of those responsible for the libels. The next day, Marlowe’s colleague Thomas Kyd was arrested. Kyd’s lodgings were searched and a fragment of a heretical tract was found. Kyd asserted that it had belonged to Marlowe, with whom he had been writing “in one chamber” some two years earlier.[30] At that time they had both been working for an aristocratic patron, probably Ferdinando Stanley, Lord Strange.[31] A warrant for Marlowe’s arrest was issued on 18 May, when the Privy Council apparently knew that he might be found staying with Thomas Walsingham, whose father was a first cousin of the late Sir Francis Walsingham, Elizabeth’s principal secretary in the 1580s and a man more deeply involved in state espionage than any other member of the Privy Council.[32] Marlowe duly presented himself on 20 May but, there apparently being no Privy Council meeting on that day, was instructed to “give his daily attendance on their Lordships, until he shall be licensed to the contrary”.[33] On Wednesday 30 May Marlowe was killed.

          7. Some biographers, such as Kuriyama[47] and Downie,[48] nevertheless take the inquest to be a true account of what occurred, but in trying to explain what really happened if the account was not true, others have come up with a variety of murder theories.
            Jealous of her husband Thomas’s relationship with Marlowe, Audrey Walsingham arranged for the playwright to be murdered.[49]
            Sir Walter Raleigh arranged the murder, fearing that under torture Marlowe might incriminate him.[50]
            With Skeres the main player, the murder resulted from attempts by the Earl of Essex to use Marlowe to incriminate Sir Walter Raleigh.[51]
            He was killed on the orders of father and son Lord Burghley and Sir Robert Cecil, who thought that his plays contained Catholic propaganda.[52]
            He was accidentally killed while Frizer and Skeres were pressuring him to pay back money he owed them.[53]
            Marlowe was murdered at the behest of several members of the Privy Council who feared that he might reveal them to be atheists.[54]
            The Queen herself ordered his assassination because of his subversively atheistic behaviour.[55]
            Frizer murdered him because he envied Marlowe’s close relationship with his master Thomas Walsingham and feared the effect that Marlowe’s behaviour might have on Walsingham’s reputation.[56]
            There is even a theory that Marlowe’s death was faked to save him from trial and execution for subversive atheism.[57] However, since there are only written documents on which to base any conclusions, and since it is probable that the most crucial information about his death was never committed to writing at all, it is unlikely that the full circumstances of Marlowe’s death will ever be known.

          8. This is an interesting article for the Marlowe Society:

            Other than A.D. Wraight, who wrongly believed that it was the Court of Star Chamber he was to attend,7 all biographers up to and including Charles Nicholl8 and David Riggs9 seem to have followed William Urry’s10 lead in thinking that “the Court” referred to was the royal one – which it was – but had this wrongly located at Greenwich, when in fact it was at Nonsuch Palace in Surrey.11
            The problem is that there is no record of there having been a meeting of the Privy Council on 18 May and, even though the court had moved from Croydon to Nonsuch before then, none of their meetings were held at Nonsuch before the afternoon of 31 May. All of their meetings over that period (16, 23, 25, 29 and the morning of 31 May) were held in the Star Chamber in Westminster Palace – which may explain Wraight’s mistake.

        2. mexican sharpshooter

          Yes! Theres one in Vegas at Planet Hollywood if I am not mstaken.

        3. The reason I’m an “Oxfordian” is that the Earl of Oxford has a cool theme song.

    3. “Since it could have happened, we are justified in assuming that it did happen.”

    1. AlmightyJB

      Hot

      1. Scruffy Nerfherder
        1. BakedPenguin

          Almost as hot, doing a piece by a composer I like better.

    2. PudPaisley

      Nice one. I love me some Grace Potter. I had the pleasure of seeing Gov’t Mule and Grace play 4 nights in Jamaica on the beach a few months before the album with Paris came out. They were playing all the new songs off the album, and Paris really stuck with me because it was so catchy. I was pissing off all my friends for ending all my sentences with “Ooh la la, la la la la la.” That was also right about the time she switched from hippy barefoot chick on stage to diva. My jaw dropped the first time I see her at the resort with 4-6 inch heels on and a skirt that barely covered her ass. The potty mouthed bass player Catherine Popper was damn sexy too. Good cover of Gold Dust Woman with Grace and Gov’t Mule.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A13tUxH09SI

  25. Hyperion

    Did ya’ll know that Jared Kushner owns the property at 666 Fifth Avenue. 666? You think that’s a coincidence? I think not! The debil has decided that Paul McCartney is not the one, it’s Jared Kushner! Did you also know that he’s the current architect of a prospective peace deal between the Palestinians and the Israelis? But don’t worry! I have this one weird trick you can use to overcome the debil if you just pay for my video series. Make sure your sound is turned up all the way!

  26. Mike Schmidt

    Thanks for the tunes Viking. This showed up in my “You Might Like” links. I had forgotten about this performance.

    Prince, Tom Petty, Steve Winwood, Jeff Lynne and others — “While My Guitar Gently Weeps”

    Prince takes center-stage at about 3:28 and proceeds to put on a guitar clinic. I’m not much of a fan of Prince’s music, but damn. He was a hell of a guitar player.

    1. Agent Cooper

      George’s son’s reaction is the best.

      1. Mike Schmidt

        Yeah. He’s loving it. Even Prince is smiling through most of it. I haven’t seen much Prince, but I don’t remember ever seeing him smile. And his version of a mic drop at the end is great.

    2. Viking1865

      That also popped up for me, then this one popped up.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDs2Bkq6UU4

      George Harrison, Eric Clapton, Jeff Lynne, Ringo Starr, and Phill Collins all together on stage.

      Which then took me to

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDAMRMQr48g

  27. DenverJ

    Quick show off hands: who’s drunk?
    * Raises hand

    1. SQWRLZ

      *sheepishly raises hand*

      1. DenverJ

        A sheepish squirrel? Unacceptable! Raise your drunken furry claw in pride, and exclaim loudly, as do the blondes, “I’m soooo drunk!”

    2. straffinrun

      Hungover count?

      1. DenverJ

        Hangovers are for kids. It’s kinda like how we teach them to walk. I’d explain that, and make it a funny joke, too, excerpt that I’m too buzzed.

      2. SQWRLZ

        I don’t get hungover, for some reason, unless I’m bingeing liquors and wine.

        1. SQWRLZ

          Thank God for Yuengling finally available in Indiana!

      3. thrakkorzog

        Sometimes a kid just has to put his hand on the stove l to notice that stoves are hot.

        My mom tried to keep me away from the stove. But I was a curious kid, so while my mom was distracted cooking Thanksgiving dinner, I saw that as my opportunity to touch the forbidden, and tried grabbing the heating coil. And I ended up with second degree burns on my hands as a reward for being clever and disobeying my mom.

        So as a result I’m kind of a big fan of Chesterton’s Fence.

        The rules are there for a reason, You should at least know why that rule exists before trying to violate them.

  28. SimonD

    OT: App maker locks down customers garage door after bad review.
    https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/04/iot-garage-door-opener-maker-bricks-customers-product-after-bad-review/

    Here is a quote from the app developer. (Note: The developer thought this would DEFUSE the issue with the general public).

    “Ok, save your torches and pitchforks for your elected representatives. This only lack the death treats(sic) now.
    The firing of the customer was never about the Amazon review, just wanted to distance from the toxic individual ASAP.
    Admittedly, not a (sic squared) slickest PR move on my part. Note taken.”

    I can’t wrap my brain around the mindset of an alleged businessman would would ever possibly consider using the term ‘fire the customer’ IN PUBLIC!

    I don’t get it. Maybe someone here can explain it. It sounds like a subset of self-entitled millennial snowflake disease, but it’s hard to tell.

    1. Mike Schmidt

      Elon Musk said he did nothing wrong. End of story.

      P.S. if you ever buy a Tesla, you better not ever criticize Tesla or Musk. Apparently he wouldn’t have a problem locking down your car for being “super rude”

      1. I want to start an auto company that makes cars that no one can hack.

      2. Rufus the Monocled

        So he has a cult going?

  29. Apples and Knives

    Also, the other three haircuts from Duran Duran formed Arcadia at the same time. They had a hit single with “Election Day.” Lyrics: “Pull my shirt off and pray we’re coming up on re-election day.” Re-election day, as in the entire motivation behind the staging of the attacks.