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Grammar Nazis are like shamans – always hated and outcast until they are desperately needed.
There have been several recent stories about the Oakhurst Dairy case, which was decided by a debate over the so-called ‘Oxford comma,’ which English professors are supposedly charmingly obsessed with, but which is too arcane for normal citizens to understand.
As a former college English teacher who moved into a profession in which I frequently deal with the often-incomprehensible intricacies of labor law (i.e. construction management), I am here to disabuse you of the notion that it is the grammar rules, and not labor law itself, that suffer from being over-arcane.
The case involves rules governing which labor classifications do and don’t get overtime pay, and hinges on whether, in the text of the law detailing overtime exemptions for various dairy workers, the phrase “for shipment or distribution” modifies the word “packing” or whether “packing for shipment” and “distribution” are two different items in a list of trades exempted from overtime rules. If the former, those who distribute the dairy’s products are not exempt from overtime rules, only those who pack are. If the latter then those who drive the trucks are exempt, too. The union, unsurprisingly, argued the latter and prevailed upon appeal (meaning overtime pay for distribution, but not for packing).
Exemptions of this kind are common in fields where work comes in surges rather than being predictable day-by-day.
The most-publicized rationale behind the decision was that since there is a comma before “packing,” “packing” could be the final item in the series, modified by the rest of the clause, since that’s how you would interpret the sentence if this comma were an ‘Oxford comma,’ i.e. a ‘serial comma’ preceding the final item in a list, so that the last item is “packing for shipment or distribution.”
Presumably, there’s follow-up logic that says “and since there’s controversy over the ‘Oxford comma’ the rule is ambiguous and per state law ambiguities are to resolve in the employee’s favor.”
But while the different varieties of comma (such as serial vs. parenthetical, the two that are relevant here) have superficial resemblance (i.e. they use the same mark on the page), their functions are entirely different, and they should not be confused, any more than the ‘th’ in “fathom” should be confused with the ‘th’ in “Chatham” (pronounced “Chat-ham”).
This may seem a pedestrian observation, but it is just such a confusion that underlies the wrong decision in this case.
The recent article by A. Barton Hinkle, for example, which I link above, eagerly utilizes amusing examples of misused parenthetical commas to show how ambiguity in commas can seriously affect meaning (if one doesn’t know the context and/or is a little dim), such as ““When @LouiseMensch reported on the FISA tap, she included details that implicated Putin’s own daughters, Carter Page and Paul Manafort.”
If we pretend that the comma after ‘daughters’ is a parenthetical comma, rather than a serial comma, it sounds like the sentence is saying that Carter Page and Paul Manafort are Putin’s daughters.
While these examples can be fun, they don’t have anything to do with serial commas, which don’t impact meaning. The “Putin’s daughters” example is one in which a serial comma could be read as a parenthetical comma – if one doesn’t know anything at all about the context of the sentence. It is the structure of the sentence, not the lack of the comma, that creates that ambiguity.
The ‘Oxford comma,’ as it’s known to stuffy people who wear tweed, is specifically a superfluous serial comma added after the penultimate member of a series: “the flag is red, white, and blue.” The comma after ‘white’ is the ‘Oxford comma’ and is now considered by many to be over-fussy as it pointlessly doubles the function of the conjunction. “The flag is red, white and blue” is in no way less clear, and while style guides of the 1950s encouraged comma usage (“when in doubt, do”), style guides of the 1990s did the opposite (“when in doubt, don’t”).
Regardless of how you feel about the ‘Oxford comma’ and whether it is acceptable to omit it, the reason the jury in the Oakhurst Dairy case decided wrongly is that the real grammatical requirement is that no matter how long or complex the series is the final member of the series grammatically requires a conjunction. “The flag is red, white, blue” is ungrammatical, as is the union’s interpretation of the clause that is at issue in the lawsuit.
As noted above, we are being asked to take the phrase ‘for shipment and distribution’ as a modifier of ‘packing.’ That means we can remove that element of the sentence and the sentence itself will remain grammatical. Here is the sentence if we remove that modifier:
“The canning, processing, preserving, freezing, drying, marketing, storing, packing of agricultural produce. . .”
vs. the not-ungrammatical
“The canning, processing, preserving, freezing, drying, marketing, storing, packing or distribution of agricultural produce. . . .”
While ambiguities are to be construed in favor of the employee, I see no ambiguity here. If there were an ‘and’ or ‘or’ between ‘storing’ and ‘packing’ then it would not be ambiguous whether you use the ‘Oxford comma’ or not: “The canning, processing, preserving, freezing, drying, marketing, storing, or packing for shipment or distribution of agricultural produce. . . .” This version also lacks the ‘Oxford comma,’ yet somehow manages to be perfectly unambiguous in the packing being “for shipment or distribution.”
Because it’s about the conjunction, not the comma. The ‘Oxford comma,’ like Communism, is a red herring.
But as with so many things, the whole stupid debate could be avoided by simply getting the government out of the equation. My understanding is that Maine has a style guide for laws explicitly stating that they don’t use the ‘Oxford comma,’ yet this standard isn’t applied consistently, so the courts couldn’t use it. Legislators are not motivated by pragmatism (or competence), their decisions don’t have to pass the workability test, and they will not be held accountable for their failures. In politics, it is about the gesture, not the result. A law was made mandating overtime pay universally, and then myriad exceptions had to be carved out of it because, as the Devil once said, “one law for the Lion and the Ox is Tyranny.”
Even in a collective bargaining situation, had the Dairy simply been able to negotiate directly with the union without a body of poorly written but ‘well-intended’ legislation to try to interpret, hundreds of thousands if not millions in legal fees could have been saved, and perhaps even distributed to the workers by way of resolving the negotiations.
In fact, absent the labor laws the points in dispute would likely have been directly and explicitly negotiated, rather than silently passed over because both parties thought they understood a pre-existing regulation and so never discussed it.
But I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for the lawyers and legislators to decide that repealing these regulations would be a ‘pragmatic’ development.
“The ‘Oxford comma,’ as it’s known to stuffy people who wear tweed”
You son of a bitch. What do you have against tweed, now?
Indeed. Why, just the other day I heard that everybody tweeds now – including our very own President! I heartily applaud this return to the height of Victorian fashion.
I have a need for tweed
I have a need to *narrows gaze*
Trump tweeded again last night about his parents, the Queen of England and Josef Stalin.
Oxford tweet?
Some of my best friends have been stuffy people who wear tweed – no value judgment implied. We’re all accepted here.
Understood. But, you seemingly lumped oxford comma proponents, tweed connoisseurs, and stuffy people in the same category.
(FYI- oxford comma to the face)
I did. I was actually thinking of one or two specific tweed-wearing English professors with soda-pop-bottle glasses and fixations on book binding techniques. An unfair act of othering done in the name of humor. I’m sure there are plenty of fast-and-loose party animals who love tweed.
See: Professor Dave Jennings
*quietly moves aside her book press, sewing frame, bone folder, and awl*
Also, good article. I found it to be entertaining, informative, and concise.
“We tolerate everyone, even the intolerable.”
As apparently are a multitude of fat girls on dating sites.
Don’t ask me how I know.
Is your user name on match.com ‘Oxford Comma’?
I’m not a chubby chaser.
Hey man, chef don’t judge.
Most people think scooters are cool but would never want to be seen on one.. They tend to be the ones denying they do it… Is there a parallel here? or just a misplaced comma?
No.
Now let us never speak of this again.
I still don’t get the aversion to being seen on a scooter. I’d quite enjoy having an old school Lambretta or The Vespa Sting rode in Quadrophenia.
Now a Honda Elite or a piece of shit Pugh from the 80s is a different story. But there were some scooters that were works of art.
those who distribute the dairy’s products
Spectator I: I think it was “Blessed are the cheesemakers”.
Mrs. Gregory: Aha, what’s so special about the cheesemakers?
Gregory: Well, obviously it’s not meant to be taken literally; it refers to any manufacturers of dairy products.
Bah. Far from being superfluous, the Oxford comma is a logical use of the comma as a delimiter for the entire list/objects/whatever rather than delimiter except between the last two entries. Enough exceptions in English usage and writing as it is. Use the Oxford comma, put the period after the ending quotation marks, and single space after a sentence ending period.
The people who oppose the Oxford comma are the same people that don’t understand when a semi-colon is appropriate. Peasants.
But, I presume from your example, does not comprise the set of those who do not understand when a colon is appropriate?
2 out of 3
/Chicago Manual of Style
BARBARIAN!
You are an illiterate savage.
Isn’t this entirely dependent upon whether the text is actually being quoted? For example…
Gustave proclaimed, “use the Oxford comma, put the period after the ending quotation marks, and single space after a sentence ending period.” Nearby, a group of pudgy nymphs clad in horn rimmed glasses and clutching NPR tote bags swooned over his decree.
It’s a British thing.
But Brits are freaks who use single quote marks instead of double, which gets confusing when you have words with apostrophes.
And they confuse their commas and decimal points in numbers. Backward country.
Yep. In some style manuals, you would write: “use the Oxford comma, put the period after the ending quotation marks, and single space after a sentence ending period”.
If quoting a whole sentence, why would you leave the termination of the sentence out of the quote? If quoting a question, would the question mark be inside or outside of the quote? Switching between the two changes who is making the inquiry and thus the tone of the line. So do question marks get different rules from periods when they terminate a sentence quote depending upon factors ignored for periods?
I agree. But that’s the style I learned in Australia and I can tell you that most history journals published in Britain have the punctuation outside the quotation marks. And, to correct my mistake above, they use ‘ rather than “.
I noticed the British predeliction for starting at the wrong quote density. It’s a quibble that’s easier to adapt to than some of these other mistakes.
*wrong quote depth, not density.
It pains me to lack the time today to wade into this topic. I will simply leave it at this before returning to the salt mines:
Use the Oxford comma,
Yes.
put the period after the ending quotation marks,
Yes. There should be nothing inside quotation marks that isn’t a straight cut-n-paste. Even if what is being quoted is the end of the sentence, there’s no need to carry its period over.
and single space after a sentence ending period.
Nope. The double space enhances readability.
“Yes. There should be nothing inside quotation marks that isn’t a straight cut-n-paste. Even if what is being quoted is the end of the sentence, there’s no need to carry its period over.”
What about when there’s more than one sentence in the quote? I should truncate the last sentence’s terminator for the sake of your rule?
If you are quoting an entire sentence or paragraph, then a different format applies.
You indent (preferably, on both the right and left margins) the entire quote. In that case, the period goes inside the quotation marks, because you have set off the quote to show that it is a standalone excerpt, rather than something inserted into a longer sentence.
I was thinking of quoting the last phrase of a sentence, as the last phrase of my sentence, in which case the original period is superfluous.
What sort of writing do you do? My main scene is fiction, where the vast majority of quotes represent dialog and as such it is downright common to have multiple sentences in an inline quote. Different content could require a different ruleset.
That explains it. My writing is mostly legal/business/technical. When I quote something, its from another document. Fiction writing, where you are quoting dialogue, is definitely a different ruleset.
More than 25 words? Block quote…
the one rule that seems to be left out of a lot of English/writing-intensive classes =
– “Say something interesting; failing that, say something true”
Also =
– learn to thread you retard
“There should be nothing inside quotation marks that isn’t a straight cut-n-paste.”
I tried to sell a tax deed once. The landowner’s lawyer drew it up. The judge took one look at it and refused to sign it. The property description on the deed was argle bargle and the owner’s lawyer had ‘corrected’ it on the tax deed. The judge explained that he had no way of knowing that what I was selling was the same thing that I had bought. That made perfect sense to me but the lawyer was puzzled. I offered to draw it up.
I scratched it out on a napkin with a sharpie or something and handed it over to my lawyer’s secretary. “Please write that up exactly the way I wrote it. Don’t change anything.”
She corrected the punctuation and spelling. I sent it back. “Please write this up exactly as I wrote it. Don’t change anything. Don’t correct any spelling or punctuation”.
She did it again, correcting the spelling but not the punctuation. She also corrected one thing in the description (it had the wrong township in the original. She also removed an incorrect spacing. I sent it back.
“Please write this goddamned thing up EXACTLY as I wrote it. Don’t change anything. Leave all of the grammar, punctuation and description mistakes in it. Do not change anything. Nothing. Zero. Leave it exactly as i wrote it”.
She did it again. She was incapable of duplicating what I had written. She simply couldn’t leave the mistakes in. Her boss, my lawyer buddy, also couldn’t understand.
Fuck it. I typed it up myself. The judge held the original deed up next to the deed I wrote, examined it for a few seconds, then signed it. “Ok, now I know you sold what you bought.”
Fucking pedants.
As King, my first edict will be to make all laws that contain commas null and void. Controversy solved. To simplify things, I will do the same to laws that do not contain commas.
But then you would no longer be king.
Nor will I need to be
I think you misunderstand, laws create an executive power, might makes a King. A king does not need laws to be King, he makes the laws. It reminds me of the saying, “If you have to tell people that you’re in charge, then you’re not.”
“I am the law.”
Judge Dredd, is that you?
Thanks for the learned article about grammar and the law with a bonus argument for less government.
Nicely done.
Thanks! And my dad said that lit degree would never pay off.
I don’t think a self-entitled feeling of smug satisfaction counts as “paying off”.
But…but….that’s the main reason I picked my majors…
Different people find value in different things. That’s why universal overtime laws are counterproductive!
The Oxford Comma, combined with other sensible comma usage law permits the reader to discriminate – for example – between the Australian Koala, and the Australian Scumbag Lothario.
“Eats, roots, shoots, and leaves”
vs
“Eats roots, shoots and leaves”
Funny in Commonwealth English, but it gets a lot of vacant stares in US English.
OK, then it is the difference between common courtesy, and an immoral act.
“I helped my uncle Jack, off a horse,” is an entirely different sentence than, “I helped my uncle Jack off a horse.”
Yes, the first sentence deosn’t make sense because of the extra punctuation, and the second, containing a proper noun clearly indicates getting the poor bastard down from a means of transport.
getting the poor bastard down
is an excellent euphemism.
No Uncivil…”helped my uncle Jack off a horse” and “helped my uncle Jack off OF a horse” are two very different things.
Wait which one is the immoral act, to ask the obvious
thrakkorzog is clearly opposed to the artificial insemination of horses.
It’s important to have a meaningful job
I did not suck off a horse!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHOJgs-5Y3s
When you’re milking a bull, it can take a long time to get a gallon.
It’ll take even longer to get the bull to stop following you around the pasture.
Go On
Still short a comma, thrak. Should be:
“I helped my uncle, Jack, off a horse,”
“Brabbins and Fyffe”, a fictional musical duo portrayed by the actual comedy duo Armstrong and Miller, have an exchange describing Fyffe’s illicit drug grow, which he’s endeavoring to hide from the authorities. “As far as Inland Revenue is concerned, Fyffe merely goes through a great deal of rooting powder. Which, coincidentally, is what his product is being called on the clubbing scene.”
This is true – and I did ponder an extended look at that one, but thought it would get too convoluted. Even in the second phrase, “shoots” can be either a verb or a noun. That’s why context, context, context.
The version I always heard in Aus was “eats, roots, and leaves”. Since roots isn’t a verb that makes sense in context in American English, it’s useful to illustrate the “separated by a common language” quote.
The version I remember is ‘Eats shoots and leaves’ vs. ‘Eats, shoots, and leaves’.
‘Eats, shoots, and leaves’
Describes my sex modus operandi.
Don’t forget to wipe your dick on the drapes on your way out.
Mark your territory and all that..
Hence the ‘Australian’ dimension, once you’re aware of their colloquial use of the verb ‘root‘
Bingo.
Also “shoots” as a euphemism is a stretch in Australian. The joke works here, but not there if it’s worded like that.
Nice:)
a hog roots around in a verby kinda way
And cheerleaders root for their teams.
I’m sorry but this article is not particularly clear. Having re-read it several times I still can’t tell if the author believes that the law exempts delivery drivers from overtime requirements or not.
Yeah – I did suspect the last bit got a little convoluted. For the record, I don’t think they are exempted.
I hunted down the the original statute text, and the whole comma debate is clearly a canard.
Laws are not written to proper grammatical rules, and looking at the actual law rather than the sentences formed by article writers, I do agree that the exclusion was for packers, not drivers.
I’m arguing that both are excluded.
Maybe the central theme here really is simply that the law is strikingly unclear, comma or not, and they were correct to find in favor of the union.
I’m curious – how are you reading this as exempting the packers but not the drivers?
Drivers are discussed under Clause K. Clause F. deals with the packing plant. Having a sub-component of Clause F. refer to a profession expressly discussed later in the same section just doesn’t fit with the overall structure of the section.
Ah – see I took that as special carve-out distinguishing drivers who are “subject to the provisions of 49 United States Code, Section 31502 as amended or to regulations adopted pursuant to that section, who is governed by the applicable provisions of federal law with respect to payment of overtime,” and for whom a federal regulation trumps the state one.
The overall structure of the section covers such disparate trades as auto mechanics, mariners, and public employees. The one clause (F) covers all the dairy workers (including drivers in my opinion, but only drivers who are delivering dairy products), and then Clause K applies to non-hourly drivers who are already covered by the federal regulation.
But the fundamental point stands: this law is stupidly complicated and would be unnecessary if overtime regs were done away with.
The real problem is this:
This phrase:
The canning, processing, preserving, freezing, drying, marketing, storing, packing for shipment or distribution of:
Pretty clearly means that packing for shipment and distribution are separate things. A comma before the “or” would have made it more clear, but if you really want the clause to say that distribution is not separate from packing for shipment, then you need another “or”
The canning, processing, preserving, freezing, drying, marketing, storing, or packing for shipment or distribution of:
My bacon chessburger will be just as tasty regardless.
If you have a bacon chessburger can you also have a McFisch sandwich?
Took me second:)
The case involves rules governing which labor classifications do and don’t get overtime pay, and hinges on whether, in the text of the law detailing overtime exemptions
I dont think the comma is the essence of the problem here
But grammar is always fun. Yup.
It’s not, but it’s the more interesting debate if only because we already know the probable opinion of the entire glibertariat.
*on the issue of labor laws.
I tend to interpret things like this they way i find it more favorable…
The whole problem would be prevented if laws were written in Lojban.
With understanding that Goedel has some say in the level of preventiveness.
I doubt your conjecture can be proven.
A real language would be better. Replacing one invented by Top Men with another one invented by Top Men would not be any good.
I am not sure the LLG qualifies as Top Men.
Given where natural languages come from…
People?
Or are you making some sort of Snow Crash “true natural language” argument?
Never read “Snow Crash” Don’t understand the reference.
UNPOSSIBLE.
Internet nerd on a libertarian site (I know I know. You aren’t a libertarian) claims not to know what Snow Crash is…
Does not compute.
I believe it’s a book. I haven’t read it.
It’s a good book. I’d say you would like it, but I think we all know that’s probably not true.
Juanita’s research showed that the ancient Sumerian ur-language allowed brain function to be ‘programmed’ using audio stimuli in conjunction with a DNA altering virus. Sumerian culture was organized around these programs (known as me) which were administered by priests to the populace. Enki, a figure of legend, developed a counter-virus (known as the nam-shub of Enki) which when delivered stopped the Sumerian language from being processed by the brain and led to the development of other, less literal languages, giving birth to the Babel myth.
Description of a subplot within the novel. I was making a reference to the ur-language.
If you’re going to go that far, you may as well move to writing laws in a completely context free grammar and remove all uncertainties.
Most uncertainties. You can’t remove all. While lojban wouldn’t really be my first choice, it does fit the qualification.
You’ve solved the ambiguity problem of context-free grammars? Fantastic! Where did you publish your results?
I think Caput Lupinum is an anagram of Kurt Gödel.
Sorry, my dry sarcasm doesn’t come across very well in text formats.
https://wiki.erfworld.com/TBFGK_27:11
Something like that, but without the sophistication.
Reminds me of one of my favorite Einstein quotes:
“As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain; and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality.”
People who refuse to use the Oxford comma are barbarians.
Fuck, you, and fuck, off.
I see what you did there…
All I can say is this: I’ll BE a serial killer if I have to read this piece again. My head hurts.
Also, this: A tweet regarding United Airlines new motto:
Missing comma outrage in 3,2,1…
Reginald Denny would be the more appropriate analog, because he was dragged from his seat and beaten. King was just beaten.
I thought he was dragged out if his car then beaten?
His truck. And there was a seat in the truck…
If you meant King – he got out of the car under his own power.
*Fd’A puts gun barrel in mouth*
Really? We need to use a different type of cleaning solution so you stop doing that.
*checks latest thread*
uh huh, yeah, ok…
*goes back to youtube videos of earwax removal*
Yeah, as someone that studied Electrical and Aerospace Engineering and then went on to write software for a living after getting bored doing that, I never got people that would spend all that time on this sort of stuff. What’s the point? When do we start debating how many Angels can dance on pinheads? 🙂
FWIW I get the argument. It’s just that as a recovering engineer, I take the position of “Just make it clear already. Great, let’s move on.”
To be honest, the reason I spent so much time on it is that I had almost no respect whatsoever for people who got English degrees and didn’t learn English grammar, as frustrating and dry as I’ve always found grammar. When I decided to go for the PhD, almost none of my cohort was coherent on grammar – doctoral students in English. So I doubled down and made grammar and history of the language something of a specialty.
Oddly enough, my thesis got into some of these, and I do find nitpicky arcane medieval arguments weirdly interesting. The argument over how many angels fit on the head of a pin is actually a reductio ad absurdum of the argument that non-physical things don’t exist (i.e. “oh yeah? Then tell me where the angels are, hmmm? How big are they, smart guy?”).
Being non-physical, you would have to first show that they can be said to dance before determining a “how many per unit area” quantity
Now we’re talking!
More power to you then sir. it does strike me as odd. I can’t see anyone getting a degree in engineering without doing the math and physics, unless its a degree in social engineering. And we all know how well that shit has worked out for all of us…
Being an English major without knowing proper English grammar sounds almost incredulous to me, but then again, I can’t say I am surprised. While I and the two other engineering major master candidates spent practically every evening studying, my liberal arts roomy spent his exploring the bars in town…
These days getting a grad degree in lit seems to be more about being ‘woke’ than about understanding the language and literature. Most don’t even read anything older than Jonathan Swift, and really going at all before 1800 is a stretch for most.
Those few of us who did Medieval and Ren would shake our heads, saying “how can you claim to be an expert in T. S. Eliot when you don’t know a damn thing about Medieval literature?”
Yeah, I am starting to worry about the value of education these days. Costs have gone up, but I find too often that the people attending try to get the least value for their expenditure, mostly focusing – as you point out – on meaningless virtue signaling than actually learning anything that leads to prospective employment that pays, let alone, pays well. That they likely look down on people like you that took this stuff seriously, and then, for not valuing the social justice nonsense more than actually learning the stuff you are supposed to, is what galls me.
Maybe I am just too old and fixated on actually doing productive things and taking pride in that, but this SJW shit smacks of a rebirth of the hippy culture, only with somewhat better hygiene.
You and me both – there was a real divide between “early periods” people and “modern” people, and the “modern” people really thought they were the intellectual heavy hitters, and those of us who studied early periods were like people stuck in second grade, or something.
And we would grouse about “you know, we actually had to learn Latin, and earlier forms of English, and lots of history and context, where you’re essentially just monetizing your reading hobby.”
Interestingly, far and a away the most intelligent member of my cohort was a conservative Christian woman who also did Medieval stuff and who also was treated dismissively by the SJWs. The smug ignorance of most of my colleagues was a major factor in my decision to switch careers.
Someone who, not someone that, unless you’re neuter. :-p
Damn, I thought this was about Future.
Carry on.
Off topic:
I’ve thought this before, but there’s no way Trump keeps Spicer on now as Press Secretary, does he?
Is this in reference to the false outrage from the ‘Assad is literally worse than Hitler’ comment?
That.
I know some of it was false outrage… but man, it is a really fucking dumb thing to say. And then double down on.
(It’s also the same thing that David Simon said last week, but that’s another story)
I call it false outrage because rather than go after the obvious argument (e.g: no Assad is by every metric not worse than Hitler) I am hearing things like “OH MY GOD SPICER SAID JEWS AREN’T PEOPLE! HE MENTIONED HITLER DURING PASSOVER!” In other words, derp.
Oh, I agree.
And what pisses me off is that the false narrative becomes the overwhelming one and it becomes easier for others to ignore. The real narrative is there, and there’s no reason *not* to use it because it’s fucking awful. But idiots gonna idiot.
In the principals, not principles department today:
This Is How Many Stingray Devices Exist in Trump’s America
An exclusive Vocativ survey of official documents revealed just how many of these surveillance gadgets the president has at his disposal
I bet there’s at least one device out there that hadn’t yet been deployed in Obama’s America. Thus Trump’s America is demonstrably worse. Duh.
It’s actually a good article once you get past the click-baity headline and subhead.
(because i still can’t thread properly)
A rule that seems to be left out of a lot of English/writing-intensive classes =
– “Say something interesting; failing that, say something true”
I don’t think anyone has ever read something and said afterward, “Wow. That was really well-edited”
Have you read things that are badly edited?
On another board, one of the posters insists on using an I instead of the 1, as well as using asterisks for reasons known only to him. Multiple people have complained about it, but the asshole shows no signs of changing.
I don’t think anyone has ever read something and said afterward, “Wow. That was really well-edited”
I have, more or less. It helps when you see the crap early draft, and then see it cleaned up.
Agreed, especially when checking scopes for capital projects (and many other business documents).
I’m amazed at how needlessly wordy and unclear many documents in the corporate/business world are.
Another cop video. Mayor and Police Chief getting ready to do press conference.
http://nbc4i.com/2017/04/11/city-of-columbus-holds-news-conference-to-discuss-officer-involved-incident/
Let’s see if I can guess the sequence of events that will follow, starting now:
1. Mayor and Police Chief say that the officer’s actions were unacceptable. Officer put on paid leave.
2. Prosecutor brings case before Grand Jury, who decline to indict
3. Police Chief fires officer after internal investigation
4. Union appeals termination
5. Arbitrator says termination was too harsh a punishment. Officer is given job back, with full back pay
Same ol’, same ol’
Forgot about #6, which is, of course, City reaches settlement with victim, taxpayers pay
I hate hate hate the term “officer-involved”.
This is what passes for controversial in the minds of the MSM
Dez Bryant just ain’t woke, y’all.
The link I couldn’t, um, link.
This is all I have to say.
https://drawception.com/panel/drawing/WHYz3336/eats-shoots-and-leaves/
At the risk of being fatuous, I have serious reservations about wages and work rules being set by government functionaries who have in all likelihood never had a real job.
They aren’t. They are set by Union functionaries that have in all likelihood never had a real job.
Indeed.
^ This. Show me a union functionary, and I’ll show you someone who persistently failed to master the trade they represent. All of the ones I’ve met are also morbidly obese, for some reason.
This is all too confusing. Just tell me who I need to be mad at.
Lawyers and Legislators. They write confusing shit, which makes them pricks. That is what I gleaned. But, my punctuation, might be, well, shit also.