If a law is broken in a forest, and there’s no cop around to see it, was it really broken? But what if the cop sees it, but you slip him some cash to go away?
Question: are the words freedom and liberty synonymous? I will probably use them interchangeably but that may be wrong. Anyway… The post at hand.
Romania, as other countries like it, has many things in insufficient supply. Scarcity, after all, is the norm. One of the things not lacking, however, is legislation. We have a bunch of that and it’s mostly stupid. Well, that is harsh, but at the very least contradictory, unclear, or just plain, well… dumb. What else is abundant is corruption and government incompetence. These might as well be national sports like Oina (similar to baseball, but better). So the default MO of many people is simply ignoring the laws they don’t like. One can say the law is irrelevant without enforcement, as rules become but suggestions. But is it really irrelevant, or is there something deeper going on there?
Does corruption or government incompetence in fact aid freedom? Can you be free in practice – de facto – but not de jure – in the eyes of the law? Well yes… and no. Yes, as in for many this may be true, no as in not for all and it is a bad way of going about things.
As long as bad laws exist, if agents of the state decide to fuck with you, they can. You run into someone with a chip-on-shoulder situation, or the occasional example must be set, or fine/arrest quotas must be met. Police and prosecutors in many countries have the occasional urge to look good in the press by showing how the fight lawlessness, get results, and the like. This does not affect most of us. But what if you are the one in a thousand or million who gets the dubious honour of being the example set?
Remember a case a while ago where a bunch of guys in the US were visited by the cops for posting reviews on an escort site? Lizzie NB reported upon it. Well, many people probably used escort forums throughout the country without much issue – until a dozen or so unlucky bastards had the cops come to their door.
Corruption can help freedom a lot if you are well connected or well off enough to afford the cost of bribes. But if you are not, no freedom for you. And if one is connected enough, it can go beyond the understanding of freedom in a libertarian sense and go towards a freedom from consequence even if your actions violate others’ rights and liberty. Getting away with rape and murder is not really liberty.
In Romania, outside the big cities, things are controlled by the political machine of some party or other, led by “local barons.” It is not an exaggerated term; they control everything and nothing moves in their area without their say so. If you have a good job in Bucharest, corruption can aid your freedom. If you live in Teleorman County, the situation is different. Although, if you don’t want to start a business, make money, and you pay deference to the High Lord, you are pretty much left alone to your own devices. If subsistence agriculture and moonshine is the life for you, great.
As an anecdote, as a high school and university student in Romania, one of the freedoms I perceived at the time – a more innocent period where I cared nothing of politics, philosophy, ethics, law, and other things that burden the human mind – was that the internet was cheap, fast, and torrents were abundant. The government and your friendly neighbourhood ISP gave not one damn of copyright, so we could literally pirate everything – movies, books, music, software. Now, I do not want to go in discussions of IP, copyright, the ethics of internet piracy. Suffice to say is that if you were a broke Romanian student, you would have done the same. Look into yourselves; you know it to be so. But the perceived freedom of the mighty bittorrent is not so important any more as one becomes older and wiser. Or at the very least older.
Being outside the law carries risks beyond dealing with agents of the state, for which you cannot seek redress, by being exposed to underworld violence, shoddy products, unreliable contracts, and much more. The problem in countries like fair Romania is that sometimes laws are bad enough that there is little choice but trying to avoid them.
Romania is a country with fairly low freedom in principle but somewhat higher in practice. Taxes and economic regulations are quite firmly on the high side of how these things go. But they are also routinely ignored. The so called underground economy thrives. You pay many a tradesman under the table. You can buy many things without paying the VAT.
Romania has high taxes, and they are inconsistently applied. Being able to avoid high taxes is not the precisely same as not being highly taxed. The end result may be similar on some level, but you are breaking the laws, are liable for punishment, and doing things under the table leaves little recourse if something goes wrong.
Many rent property or work jobs without any proper forms – with the risks implied in not having a contract or some sort of clear deal. High taxation discourages this. So you have some added freedom if you don’t making a contract, but you lose the benefits of the contract.
Prostitution and any and all drugs are illegal, with little chance of decriminalization any time soon. The subject is not even being talked about. But you can access all the illegal drugs and/or escorts you wish (at least of the female variety, no idea of other genders). But you do all this while breaking laws and risking punishment. You can easily buy drugs in Romania, but often they are bad merchandise from shady dealers and there’s nothing to do about it if you get screwed. So yes, there is some added freedom, but not in the real sense of buying quality weed from a trusted merchant in the open.
Prostitution is quite abundant, with plenty of good choices at reasonable prices (not to advertise, mind you), but with all the implied risks from being in the underworld, many dangers for clients, more for escorts. And the cops are sometimes worse than the pimps for the safety of a woman in the trade.
Liberty in hiding just isn’t the same, constantly looking over your shoulder, jumping barriers that should not be there. Maybe it is better than nothing, but less than ideal. De facto liberty can be fickle, undependable, erratic, and inconsistent. It may give you a false sense of security, believing things will not change. But you never know when the inspector you bribed changes his mind or is replaced by another. Maybe you will bribe that one as well, maybe not. Maybe you will be picked as an example for the press of cracking down on offenders.
Another point is what is the long term effect? Can people learn to like liberty and want it in the open, or does being able to avoid laws reduce the incentive to actually go through the process of changing the laws? Will people want more liberty or become complacent with what they have? But enough with the questions.
The internet in recent times allows some more avoiding of consequences of being outside the law. One example is the previously mentioned prostitution forums. They can help clients identify bad service and escorts identify violent customers. In can help escorts escape pimps, get better work, etc. It is, of course, just a small band-aid on a large wound, but it may help some a little. But long term, no matter how much internet, cryptocurrency and whatever, it is not substitute for a small government respecting liberty. It is just what we got.
So … liberty… how do you like yours?
Primul!
There is a difference and, as libertarians, we should consider it. The best definition of the difference between Liberty and Freedom is this: The slave is Free to disobey his master, but he is not at Liberty to do so.
One need not have been Romainian to do this…
I was gonna say…
Actually about 90% of this article could have Romania crossed out and America written over it and still be 100% accurate.
I am trying to come up with 10% that was specific to Romania.
The ‘local barons’ is pretty Romania specific I think.
You have never lived in Eastern Kentucky, have you?
I haven’t either, but small town mayors in general probably apply.
That was my first thought. I’m Pulaski County Kentucky Sheriff Adams and Sheriff Gilmore (they alternated back and forth from election to election) could have easily been described as “barons”. I had the great good luck of being the daughter of a man who stayed in both or their good graces.
You haven’t met a Louisiana Sheriff, have you?
+1 Boss Hogg?
or an Arkansas sheriff
(immediately contemplates NY city-council)
not really
Probably the amount of underground economy activity and compliance. I still can’t believe there are some people report use-taxes if you have that in your state. But then again, the spying and prying eyes of the US gov is much more extensive and compliance by institutions is very high.
I am not trying to write everything Romania specific, just some examples and annecdotes are.romanian. The spirit of the post is as a general question
This goes back to the one truth I learned when I visited Europe: Nowhere on earth is vastly different from anywhere else. This is especially true among first world nations.
Well I would not want to generalize to much would I?
Is there a statute of limitations on digital piracy?
No idea. You a cop?
Nope. Closest I came was interviewing for a computer forensics examiner post. But I didn’t want to have to see and testify about child porn, so that was not the job for me.
“No problem. We’re interviewing fifty other people for that position.”
Good post. I’ve heard a couple of libertarians say that they prefer the state of liberty in countries that are high corruption/low legal liberty. Those countries never see liberty’s potential maximized, because while your personal freedom might be high depending on what you’re doing, it’s all based on pure caprice — and the flip side, of course, is that if the state’s agents do something horrible to you, corruption works to their benefit. Legal liberty matters — that is why even imperfectly free on paper countries with low corruption do better than places like Romania or many Latin American countries.
For some reason I’ve been reminded of “Logo Writer” – a desktop interpretor for the logo programing language that was on the green-screen computers at an elementary-level school I attended. We mostly used it to draw pictures by setting commands for the turtle on the screen. I’m pretty sure it could do a lot more, but I was six or seven at the time.
I don’t know why I’m thinking about it.
I also don’t know why this was a response.
Begin concussion protocol.
Right 37
Forward 9999
I’m trying to remember if the turtle would wrap around the edges of the screen. I think it just popped up exactly opposite where it departed and kept going.
Yo! It’s the green machine
Gonna rock the town without bein’ seen
Have you ever seen a turtle get down?
Slammin’ Jammin’ to the new swing sound
The only other country that I’ve even been in that I don’t feel more free in than I do in the US, is Canada. As far as I know, there are no other countries that are as police state like as here. I’m sure there are, in the Middle East and Asia, I just haven’t been there.
/Tulpa shits pants
My sample size is smaller, I’ve only been in the US and the UK. In the UK I felt less free and less safe.
You ever been to Europe? You break a petty law there you have to pay the cops on fucking sight or you go to jail. No trial, no representation, give me the money or you’re fucked.
Not yet. Probably later this year or next. In South America, everyone breaks the petty vice laws and no one gives a fucking shit. Unless like I said earlier, you get pulled over and you get a choice between giving the cop 50 or go to court and pay 4 times that. Also most places I’ve been down there, although drugs and prostitution are illegal, you see it openly on the streets and the cops pay no attention to it at all. It’s not like here where I cannot drink a beer in public without a bunch of yellow tape surrounding me.
I get what you’re saying, but you’re neglecting the other side of that coin. Try walking around with a pistol on your hip in South America. Also, try getting someone to give a shit if a dude drags you into an alley and takes your wallet and phone, or if someone . You may be more free in some areas but much less free in others.
*If someone screws you on a craigslist deal* is what I wanted to put there in the middle.
I don’t live there so not worried about gun rights. But if you think no one has guns, you’re way off. Almost no one has a legal gun.
Also, you avoid areas where there are muggings going on. It’s not as safe from petty crime anywhere down there as it is here, but if you’re with the locals, you’re fairly safe. I’ve never really felt unsafe down there. People do get their cell phones or cameras snatched. But even here in Baltimore, it’s well known that you keep your phone in your pocket because it happens all the time in broad daylight. It’s a lot like here, you stay out of bad neighborhoods as a first rule.
I don’t know. I’ve felt pretty good in Aus/NZ/Singapore/HK – but all for slightly different reasons. I’ve read about issues with political speech vs other speech in some of those countries – and I know the gun availability issues – but for general purposes they all felt pretty good.
UK – I have a nostalgia for a period I never saw – just read about periods decades before I visited – that’ll probably never be there again – and that’s really freaking sad.
But imperfectly free on paper + many bad laws + low corruption = you are fucked because you have no options.
That formula also likely implies there is less of an underground economy so you won’t be able to depend on going outside the law as another option to the bribe-your-local-cop route.
It’s also likely because of low corruption that such a place is stable. Any place that can at least economically trudge along, have a relatively financially prudent government, means the inertia for fucking people over–legally–is high. Western and Northern Europe comes to mind.
It’s not really controversial to say (hence, I’ll say it) – a legal architecture built from unenforced and/or unenforceable laws, applied arbitrarily, is highly corrosive to order and liberty. Furthermore, it erodes confidence and and adherence in “good” laws, because just about everyone is *already* a scofflaw.
3 felonies a day.
True, but I think that there’s a fundamental difference between being an ‘accidental’ felon who just happens to run afoul a bunch of ridiculous laws in your day to day life, and a more generic scofflaw whose life is somewhat constructed around flouting known laws, based on the probability of being caught; malum in se.
In Romania, are there some laws that are considered “more serious” than others to a) the government and b) the people? I’d imagine the government might try to crack down harder on murderers than prostitutes, but they might be just as finicky there as well. Is there an understanding that “break some laws, no one cares; break others, risky but doable; break others, they will crack down on you?”
On a side note, are there any non-government enforcers there who try to make sure certain deeds don’t go unpunished? How are any such groups viewed by both public and government?
It’s exactly the same way in America. Everyone speeds here, everyone jaywalks, plenty of people pirate digital media, etc. No one cares. Lots of people buy and use drugs illegally, drink underage, hire hookers, etc. as well. Most of the time no problem, but occasionally you get stung hard. Things like murder, rape, robbery, are no go and they will go after you for it every time.
Not arguing that, just like I don’t argue there isn’t corruption in America (*cough* Clinton *cough*). The corruption just sounds to be a worse problem in Romania and I wondered if Pie had some insights on it.
Off course murder and some other laws are taken much more seriously. I think in general the more people think deep down a law is right the more it will be respected or enforced
You would think it would be smooth sailing from there to “maybe we have too many laws”.
*shrugs*
I would think this a lot as a libertarian for whatever good that does me. Sadly thinking is not strong with many
I have seen more than a few people make this argument against weed legalization, e.g.: Don’t decriminalize, it’s better and cheaper having Tyrone the weed guy roll up to my house every Tuesday.
Prime example is the ‘legal’ weed dealers in Colorado, Cali, etc. They are floating is a semi legal bubble between state and fed law. There are also their consumers who choose between buying legal regulated and taxed, and therfore more expensive, weed. They may make the purchase illegally with little chance of prosecution, but the fact remains that they run a risk anyway. The legal vendors have to operate with a knowledge that any time uncle fed wants to haul them off under RICO laws and imprison them for a long period any time they choose.
Yea but tyrone can get in real trouble.
This is true, but for him the risk is worth the reward. The buyer can get in trouble just as easily after Tyrone gets pinched and turns CI on his former customers.
Then we start doing business with Jerome.
The problem is, even after “legalization”, Tyrone can still be busted for selling weed or using it in illegal circumstances, or giving it to his friend who is 20.
It’s slightly better, but on the flip side. You’ve removed the impetus for full or at least, much more real decriminalization. Regulation creates its own inertia.
..actually the circumstances for illegality after legalization is much more than that.
Good article.
I break many laws here in the U.S. I do it routinely with little risk, but there is risk. I would much prefer that the laws I break didn’t exist in the first place. Knowingly breaking the law is something of a burden, even if the risk of being caught is small and the law I am breaking is immoral. It puts a small guilt on my conscience that I would rather not exist. Laws should be moral, specific, and few in number.
I personally not only have no problem breaking bad laws but I take pleasure in it. The only thing stopping me from breaking a bad law is the consequences. For example, in Arizona you cannot legally conceal carry into a place that serves alcohol if they have a no guns sign. The penalty? A small fine. I do it all the goddamn time and I smile about it. You also cannot possess certain types of firearms which are very easily assembled out of legal parts without an expensive and difficult to obtain tax stamp. The penalty for that? 10 to 25 years in federal prison. Not worth the squeeze.
Prof. Bernardo de la Paz smiles
A guy I work with bought an AR pistol a few years ago. He is kind of a gun guy, but is pretty ignorant of the law. He is pretty much a Fudd. I have argued gun rights with him many times.
Anyway, he had a few other ARs that he had bought or built up at his house, so he decides to take the stock off one and put it on the pistol. He thought that was pretty cool, so he took it out and shot it over the weekend. He comes to work Monday, and tells me about it.
His jaw about hit the floor when I explained the risk he took when he constructed, transported, and operated an NFA item and what the penalty for that is.
He said, “Do you mean to tell me that I was at risk for the same penalty as someone who built a machine gun?”
Yep.
He has begin to come around a little more to the idea of gun rights and the 2A being an absolute.
I truly believe that if someone got on mainstream television and showed the difference between an AR pistol and a short barreled rifle, those laws would be gone within a year.
Wishful thinking.
Take a look at the demographics of TV audiences.
Old and dying?
Pretty much, and the audiences are tiny too, when you look at viewing figures.
That’s why you break into their homes and demonstrate it to them live.
I disagree. It would be more likely that the Progressives would be screeching to ban short-barreled rifles too.
Progs will always screech about everything, but the people in the middle who don’t really care about guns but may own a handgun or a bolt action rifle will get red pilled. If you say ‘short barreled rifle’, ‘sawed off shotgun’, or ‘silencer’ to most people they start seeing action movie sequences in their head, but if you were to actually say “look, this gun is completely legal, but if I change one part on it, now it’s a short barreled rifle and highly restricted” they would say “Wow, that is a stupid and pointless law.” And they would no longer support it.
Most counties in South America are like that as well. Everything is illegal just like here in Murika, but no one cares including the cops, unless they need another $20 that you give them to leave you alone.
I’m reminded of my friend who has visited Cambodia several times. You can get drugs, girls, and go speeding as much as you like – provided you are ready to bribe the cops if you get in trouble. He loves it there – very “frontier-like” in many ways – including the shooting of fully automatic Soviet weapons – but according to him it’s hard to make a living there if you are a foreigner; for example, you won’t be able to easily buy property to start a business with. And the corruption is so high that every business transaction requires different levels of bribes.
The one weakness we have as Americans is that we do not understand that bribery and corruption is a way of life for most of the rest of the world and not some dark shadowy thing that we read about occasionally in the papers.
I have a hard time mixing the abstract understanding that it happens with the practical expectation in meatspace.
Also, we see bribes as something with large dollar values attached rather than the small retail transactions that practicality says they are. Personally if offered a real-world bribe, I’d be offended that someone thought my price was that low. Consequently I also assume that others have similarly high standards where the potential punishment is worth the price tag while failing to internalize the fact that the odds of punishment are infinitesimal.
We aren’t very good at barter – and very bad at bartering with corrupt officials.
How are we going to be sure that the goods are assessed at their proper market rate?
More seriously, barter and haggling both don’t sit well with me.
I once tried selling stuff on eBay, and I set the price tag at a price point where I thought it would move. After it did sell, I felt cheated because of this innate feeling that no one would buy it unless they knew they were paying less than what it was worth.
Nevermind it was a spare copy of a book I had no intention of reading and had never taken out of the original package and got for free, I still felt like I was cheated.
I spent time in Southern Asia and was just horrible at haggling in the street for stuff. I know damn well I got ripped off every time. If they used real money, I would have been pretty upset.
My buddy ran a business in Thailand for about 6 years (a dive shop/SCUBA training/underwater tour-guide). When he got “successful” enough, he was told he basically had to sell 50% of his business to the local magistrate’s cronies, or else be in violation of the law and simply have his shit seized.
from the way he told the story, he was clear it was sort of their opening gambit in what was normally a multi-year dance where you just bribed your way through the bullshit until you could afford to bribe someone even higher up the food chain.
But he was tired of that shit. So he ended up burning his own place to the ground (and destroying all the equipment he’d invested in) and skipping out of the country on a midnight flight.
pretty cool story.
I love it when arson is the answer.
+1 Thief (the movie that is)
Great movie that.
Years of D&D experience have taught me that arson is always the answer. You just have to reframe the question and it becomes obvious.
It certainly is after you reach 5th level.
Fireball is just overkill, you can achieve the same effect with an grease cantirp and a fire bag.
Was he insured?
Truth be told i feel fairly free in some respects in Romania as long as I am healthy and don’t need any healtcare from that 10% payroll tax i pay for gov healthcare and as long as I dont want to start a business or consume quality drugs – i am an alcohol guy. But i also feel this is an ilusion. If i get in a trafic accident outside a big city with a connected guy through no faultbof my own i get my ass kicked and can be found guiltty. In bucharest i am fairly.ok, have some money and some connections in case of problems. But it is a nad way of going about things. And may are not as fortunate.
Then again there may be some truth in american.movies about the city guy who gets in trouble in butfuck appalachia
No offense to people from that fine town
I’ve heard the gay bars there are magnificent.
You thinking about that movie Deliverance? It’s more like that documentary The Wild and Wonderful Whites of West Virginia. In fact it’s exactly like that in rural parts of Appalachia. At least it was the last time I was there, which is about 20 years ago.
I was in a very rural part of KY one night with some friends, including a guy from NY and a couple of local guys. We stopped at this little store in the middle of nowhere to get some beer, a few old guys sitting around on the porch in front. The guy from NY was in the back of the store getting some beer and the guy at the counter asked me where that fucker is from. ‘He talks funny, he from Boston or something?’. The whole ‘we don’t take kindly stuff’, not making this up. But it’s not like they were going to shoot the guy or anything, they just think North Easteners are assholes.
“It’s OK, he ain’t here to steal your niggers.”
“they just think North Easteners are assholes”
They are mostly right.
I was going to object to your statement because I was born and raised in New Jersey, but I can’t because I was born and raised in New Jersey.
Massholes?
I was in a very rural part of KY one night with some friends
We stopped at this little store in the middle of nowhere to get some beer
Not THAT rural, if it was wet.
While it is changing, the KY wet/dry map is predominantly dry outside anything that resembles a city.
“rural” = not midtown manhattan?
*sniff* Microaggressing shitlord…..
5 years out of date, but you see my point.
http://mediad.publicbroadcasting.net/p/wuky/files/styles/x_large/public/201207/WetDry%20Map_1.jpg
There we quite a few wet counties that had stores right on the borders of dry counties, in very rural areas. They did quite well in that thinking. Never heard of anyone ever getting busted for buying booze and hauling over the county line. I lived in a dry county down there for a few years and everyone did it. Not many people went to the few bootleggers around since they could just drive across the county line and buy anything they wanted legally.
Do you want to give me the county this occurred in, I am still questioning the “very rural” part. Although, say the north edge of Christian county might apply (But it wouldn’t be there, as Hopkins county has a bunch of wet cities).
Looking at the 2012 wet/dry map, I would call 5 wet counties “very” rural, and might consider for a few others.
I had friends who lived in Spencer County whose directions to their house included, “when you see the kid playing the banjo, keep going, its another mile.” It was accurate, but they were still 20 minutes from Louisville, so I wouldn’t use the “very”.
Well, take a drive through Rowan and Lewis country and the surrounding counties there and then tell me how much of it you think is very rural. Or if you aren’t up for that, and want to take my word, I can tell you that 20 years ago, it was more than 90% very rural.
I will give you those, although Morehead is a college town, so no surprise it is moist. Plus it has a freakin interstate running thru it, so you arent really middle of nowhere (although I64 in that part of the state is pretty damn close) . Vanceburg probably doesnt qualify as city-like. But the whole counties aren’t wet, so you would have to be in town. But, yeah, I will accept it.
But Ohio was just across the river, not that far to Portsmouth.
Yeah, I know the area pretty well. One thing I can tell you about Lewis County though, as far as I could tell, the entire county was wet. I see the map shows it as dry with wet city, but I don’t think that was enforced at all. But Lewis and Rowan Counties as well as all the other surrounding counties are complete wilderness outside of the 2 small cities and that interstate you speak of.
I was born in Portsmouth, so it’s also fairly familiar to me, (:
Wherever we were that night, it was in one of two mentioned counties in the middle of nowhere. So may be that the guy didn’t have a license for beer but was selling it anyway.
Come to think of it now, two of the guys with us lived in that area, I had been working on a construction project with them over in the Ohio. I think we were out of beer and instead of having to drive 20 miles, the guy told us there was a store near his house that we could buy beer at. It’s been more than 20 years ago, so my memory is not that clear on it, especially considering my level of inebriation at the time, but I am 100% positive that it happened.
I grew up in a county like that (Marion County, Arkansas). They had what we called the ‘extra profit for restaurants rule’. The county was dry, unless you ran a ‘private club’. So if a restaurant owner wanted to sell booze, he would register (and pay the county, I’m sure) as a private club, and charge an extra five bucks as a ‘membership fee’. (the best of the clubs would include a free drink as part of the fee).
However, since you couldn’t buy alcohol at a store, there were liquor stores right across the state line in Missouri. It was a very rural area, so those were closer than the nearest town that had a store that sold beer.
I should point out that I knew the owner of a little store in the middle of nowhere, literally in very rural KY, and you could buy beer at his store. It wasn’t legal or anything, but you could do it.
But probably not if you were some damn yankee though. The owner was black, btw. He might have laughed at #6’s comment. And he might not have.
On my map above, see Cumberland County. Its the only totally dry county landlocked but totally dry counties. The store was a dozen miles outside the county seat. That was why people bought beer from the local bootlegger.
My maternal ancestors are all from Cumberland County KY, I went to a family reunion once. It was eye opening.
Ditto. Which means we are related.
No seriously, I am related (usually about 14 different ways) to every single person to have ever set foot in Cumberland County.
Everyone in Indiana is from either Prestonsburg or Paintsville, KY and are descended from someone who was married to their cousin. This is a fact.
Its also the only county in KY without a train track.
It is also where the German filmmaker got punched filming the funeral of the kid who shot his sister while playing with a pistol.
Bad english, The one who got shot had the funeral, not the one doing the shooting. But whatever.
May have been the case that night, because I can’t really tell you what county we were in, but I gave you the general area above. The guy may have been selling illegal beer, I don’t really know, but it also may be we were in a wet county.
My Cousin Vinny is not a documentary.
What does happen is speed traps targeting out of state license plates. Out of staters wont be showing up for the court date, but just sending in a check.
I have to admit i kinda like that movie
You should, it is a great movie.
Try driving around the country with Duval County tags in the 80’s. I want to thank all of those state police for their courteous escort through their wonderful states.
Gah. I meant Dade County, of course.
might as well be national sports like Oina (similar to baseball, but better)
The players actually get to hit each other with that club?
I have a little extra free time today, so what the hell.
I really liked Gilmore’s point about the main failing of progs being the inability to understand spontaneous order/decentralization. It kind of fits in with the corruption thing. Corruption is a powerful form of decentralization. Maybe progs conflate the two, hence their hatred. It also fits in with my larger framework of derp being the result of a lack of curiosity.
My road article got me thinking about communist infrastructure. By prog logic, the best roads should have been in communist countries. The tentative title is “If you build it, they will die: the staggering death toll of communist infrastructure.”
My main example
Look that canal from the Danube to the Black sea had to be built. For that you have to break a few kulacks. He danube bucharest canal was next to make bucharest a port. But
ol Nicky C got some led.poisoning before it was done
I hate phone commenting shitty keyboard and no spellcheck
My additional example is the recurring “Russian Roads” examples from english russia
My favorite monument to the wonders of communist planning and engineering is the Aral Sea.
The main thing I have noted about progs as of late, and I mean in the last decade as of late, is that they seem to think that the solution to every problem involves legislation. Seriously, no matter how great or trivial the perceived problem is, they go straight to legislation as the solution. Boggles the fucking mind.
it is doubtful that all of the writers involved in the project were unaware of the brutality or actual living conditions present in the camp
That kinda reminds me of a thought I had awhile back while reading Eugene Genovese’s The Question: much as I’d want to kill the prison guards, the people I’d really want to brutalize would be the intellectuals and court historians who write glowingly about the wonders of communism.
+1 asshat shoved into a burlap sack and beaten with an axe handle for 10 minutes
In response to Bill de Blasio’s tweet, “We’re going to raise the floor on the cost of a pack of cigarettes from 10.50 to $13 — the highest price in the country.”, Iowahawk responds, “You should call it the Eric Garner Memorial Choke Hold & Organized Crime Enhancement Act of 2017.”
He’s been in fine form since he returned.
Iowahawk continues to be awesome.
One of the small number of people able to fit wit into 140 characters.
My favorite quip from him:
The job of the press is to cover the news….with a pillow until it stops moving.
Worst on all this is that as a romanian who grew up in all this i hate bribing. Just dont like it. And if i wanna start a small business it is required. I will need a partner to handle bribes.
The best part of the Atlantic article linked earlier:
There actually was an SNL skit portraying Trump supporters as Nazis and KKK members.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg0pO9VG1J8
There are probably at least a few dozen people who fought against actual Nazis who voted for Trump. I wonder if the progs ever think of that.
I wonder if the progs ever think of that.
Since they never think, period, I’m gonna say no.
There actually was an SNL skit portraying Trump supporters as Nazis and KKK members.
Progs remain blissfully unaware that the Nazis were socialists and the KKK were Democrats.
They always deny that about the Nazis, but it’s so easily proven. Just look at their agendas, propaganda, and actions in how they effectively took over private businesses, and how they instituted price and production controls. Classic socialism. There’s nothing inherent in socialism that says you can’t be racist as fuck at the same time.
Um, it’s in their title. National Socialist Party. It’s literally the ‘zi’ part of nazi.
Sure, but that’s easily argued against. It’s just a word in a title, and organizations and countries have been known to use misleading words in their names (eg., “People’s Republic of China”.)
Well I guess we will just have to ask a true Scotsman what he thinks of the matter.
Eh, it probably comes from how Germans pronounce national (more like nah-tsi-oh-nahl than English’s nash-uhn-uhl).
It’s from the party’s name in German Nazional Sozialistische Deutsche Arbeiter Partei – National Socialist German Worker’s Party. Or “Nazis” for short. But they totally weren’t socialists, it’s just a name.
The best part is, no matter how many pieces get written about how the left is browbeating the Deplorables into voting for people like Trump, and that it might be in their long-term best interests to be more gracious and understanding towards people that aren’t like them, the more they’re gonna double down. None of this stuff is ever their fault. Hillary was the best candidate in history, you inbred imbeciles! What’s the matter with Kansas? You shithead racists need to vote for smart people like us!
There are quite a few people in the comments section of WaPo and HuffPo that paraphrase your last line frequently, usually followed by “If you’re so smart how come you keep losing elections?”
Dark money! The Kochs! The Russians! Racism! We won the popular vote! Corporations buying votes! Voter ID laws! Gerrymandering!
Did I miss anything?
I did.
The Patriarchy! Wreckers! Hoarders! Kulaks!
Chaffetz to quite
Good riddance. Could you please take Graham and McCain with you?
C’mon man. Chaffetz isn’t in the same zip code as that sort of assholery.
He’s an unrepentant drug warrior. For me, that puts him in that zip code.
And there you have it
Can we chip money into her campaign now? I can think of no better way of guaranteeing a Trump win.
Judge to NY Daily News: Remove this man’s name and photo.
NY Daily News to judge: No.
Good for them. That’s much better than just ignoring the order.
So … liberty… how do you like yours?
Rare, elusive and hard to get.
You’re in luck!
Here’s a headline from another site:
“Are Trump Fans a Protected Class? Maryland Cops Charge Teens Who Burned Trump Sign With a Hate Crime”
Huh, so the snowflakes are the only ones surprised when their bullshit comes back to bite them in the ass?
In Maryland a Trump voter is almost certainly a minority.
“He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself. ” – Thomas Paine
I can’t laugh when these kinds of things backfire. I’m willing to protect their rights, as stupid as they are.
One could always hope that there’s a learning experience here. But sadly, there no chance of that.
Huh, so the snowflakes are the only ones surprised when their bullshit comes back to bite them in the ass?
This comment, Hyp, together with RC’s Iron Laws, have inspired me to piggy-back the Iron Laws, now re-written as…The Progressive Iron Laws!
1. You get more of what you reward and and even more through taxation.
2. Money and power will always find each other, which is why the Democrats are in favor of campaign finance reform.
3. If everything is a priority, you better get started.
4. The less you know about something, we’ll write a law to mandate participation in said activity.
5. You aren’t free unless you are free to be wrong. Which is good, because we need to eliminate wrong and bad stuff.
6. You today, you tomorrow, you forever, shitlord.
7. Foreseeable consequences are not unintended. And the negative consequences are always unforeseeable, just ask us.
8. Meaning comes from going into hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt to obtain a certificate from a rape stronghold.
I like.