Work has been a bear already (and not in a good way), so I’m gonna keep it short and sweet. When I was but a wee lad and unwise in the way of manly men my mother was a HUGE fan of Magnum PI. At the time I thought she just found the show compelling. Hindsight being 20/20, I realize now that Tom Selleck is a retro bit of beefcake who liked his shorts short, his women thicc and his cars very red.
I am retroactively horrified that she was so insistent I’d go outside and play during summer break when it was on.
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Did anyone ever figure out why Tom Selleck and Burt Reynolds are twins?
Because the universe t’would implode elders it not so.
s/elders/were
This is not within the scope of Manly Monday’s mandate, but we’d be happy to give you a guest shot at the spot provided you have sexy pics of both
I’m afraid this would fall under some sort of cultural appropriation should I actually attempt this.
meh, if I don’t get run out on a rail for the link under “thicc” I’m not sure anyone will have problems with you doing a comparative hairy actors of the ’70s and ’80s studies.
F65.2
Malingering?
No way. Burt is great an all, but Tom is superior in every way. Plus, he argued for gun rights on Rosie O’Donnell’s show.
But Burt was Gator McKlusky which is way cooler than being Magnum PI.
This is a quality TS movie and they do a shooting competition in homage.
http://m.imdb.com/title/tt0102744/
I’d like to see Maggie Q down under, iykwim.
I love Quigley Down Under. BTW, Tom and I were both born on January 29th.
I saw your question about Pro Libertate a couple of days ago– SF said in an older thread that his medical issues are taking a lot out of him to spend time here, but he’s still kicking.
Meant to post this sooner but never seemed to be on at the approximate same time.
I hate to hear he is unwell. PL is one of my favorite commenters.
Same here. I wish Groovus would come around more also.
I was wondering about ProL. I saw him on the other site a couple of times right before I came over here. He’s one the posters I remember best from over there when I first started lurking back in 2007.
Thank you for the info. I think of him very often and hope he is doing well. Cancer is the gift that just keeps giving and even when you think you’ve beaten it somehow it manages to come right back at you. I take one day at a time and for the last 2-3 weeks have had more good days than bad. But I’ve been through good periods before and I’ve learned that it never lasts.
Tom and I were both born on January 29th
Ack, me too.
Trifecta!
That movie was great. Some people would ask how to spell my last name, but after that movie came out, they’d say: “is it spelled like Quigley down under?”
Even better: he was also a USC Trojan. I remember seeing him at a volleyball game in the gym USC played in.
Any movie with Alan Rickman and Laura San Giacomo’s boobs has to be great.
Rickman has a great role. Definitely check it out if you like westerns, although I guess its technically a southern since it takes place in Australia.
Definitely will. We always struggle finding a good movie we haven’t seen.
I watched Ballad of a Soldier again over the weekend. Alternatively you could watch The Cranes are Flying which is excellent.
If you want something in English, I recently watched Emperor of the North; Ernest Borgnine is always worth a watch.
Cool. Thanks for the ideas!
Emperor of the North
EB in the most anti-McHale’s Navy role imaginable.
“You got no class kid… that’s something nobody can teach ya, not even A No. 1”
Just Shoot Me! definitely had me jonesing for a hefty dose of LSG on my boyhood tongue, but I first remember her from Under Suspicion starring Liam Neeson. She didn’t even really show much of anything there but it was still one of the movies I most often enjoyed…er, remembering as a wee lad.
Nina was my favorite character but Maya was a definate bonus. A double bonus you might say.
Oh, you need to see LSG in Sex, Lies and Videotape.
I like the sound of that:)
Giacomo fee na-né !
Young Burt looked a helluva lot like young Marlin.
I thought about watching Magnum but found out they kill him off and then bring him back as a ghost. Pass.
Haha, I haven’t seen a full episode since I was maybe 8, I don’t remember much of the show.
It was cool for what it was.
I like having procedurals on in the background. It’s something I can enjoys paying half attention to. I keep meaning to check if it’s on Amazon or something.
Bones was on when I went for a drink with dad. It’s super distracting. I’ve never watched a single episode, but that black chick is so my thing. It’s funny, watching entire episodes play out silently and thinking No, there’s no way these attractive people are okay with these gruesome tableaus.
It was. If you put it in context of Soviet-style three network choice, and you watched what you were handed by the networks, Magnum was an entirely entertaining half hour of fluff.
Magnum was extra cool because not only was his character, but Tom Selleck himself very low-key about his beefcake status.
It was an hour format show.
Yeah, but Jesse’s only half paying attention.
Was it? Hmm, I guess with commercial breaks it probably only came down to 40 minutes. Because I watched a few episodes on demand for nostalgia sake and they were short.
Yeah, lots of commercials in that show because ut was so popular.
No, that’s Big Pussy.
I just mostly know it for the Archer Terms of Rampagement reference.
At the time I thought she just found the show compelling. Hindsight being 20/20, I realize now that Tom Selleck is a retro bit of beefcake who liked his shorts short, his women thicc and his cars very red.
Fun fact, a former coworker claimed to be a bikini model in the 80s and had a cameo on that show. I never followed up on her claim for veracity, but her story seemed plausible and she admitted her cameo was so small it was almost not noteworthy.
“[H]is cars very red.”
And we all know what that means.
It was Robin Master’s car, Magnum had to ask permission to use it, like a cuck.
Hawt.
That actually made Magnum kind of interesting. He lived the usual unrealistically glamorous lifestyle for a private dick, but yet he was essentially couch-surfing and his entire lifestyle amounted to mooching off the Masters’ estate. Legally, he was a homeless, unemployed drifter that didn’t even have a car. He was just temporarily crashing in the guest house.
Humphrey Bogart’s Sam Spade isn’t very glamorous. Alfred Hitchcock’s Family Plot was on over the weekend, and Bruce Dern’s sleuthing is decidedly unglamorous.
You’re right. I guess I’m thinking in the more modern parlance where cops or private dicks have mysteriously glamorous lifestyles, high-design condos or apartments with dazzling city or ocean views, hot cars, hot women etc.
True.
My fav private dick is Jim Rockford – who is kind of the opposite of the modern view.
I was a member of the Rockford Files Fan Club in high school. We were so cool.
After a couple episodes I couldnt help but wonder what the hell Robin did that warranted a former Navy SEAL and Wiggins to guard his stately Hawaiian manor.
Higgins, goddamnit! HIGGINS! I’m embarrassed to say, but I never actually found out and I kind of refuse to google it, did it turn out that Higgins was in fact the elusive Robin Masters?
I don’t think he is/was. Refuse to Google as well.
The show always flirted with that being the reality but never confirmed it until the final episode.
Higgins-being-Robin was Magnum’s theory later in the show, even though in the very first episode he explains to Higgins he’s staying in the guest house because Robin asked him to.
Meh. Im gonna roll with Wiggins being a drug dealer.
Higgins is revealed at the end to be Robin Masters, but he wasn’t originally intended to be so there were lots of plot holes about it. It was kind of more of a running joke that they went with than one that actually is meant to make sense.
Look how much money Cuomo made on piddling book sales. Masters was a bestselling author, must have been rolling in it. Keeping a washed up SEAL and former MI6 agent (no spoilers!) on staff would be beer money.
Now I’m reminded of Throw Momma From the Train, where Billy Crystal’s ex-wife (Capt. Janeway) becomes a successful writer living in Hawaii.
If by asking permission, you mean outrun Apollo and Zeus.
Archer: Hang on, true story. Operation CIA? That movie’s basically why I became a secret agent in the first place!
Burt Reynolds: Really? That movie was just… godawful.
Archer: What’s awful is I almost punched you!
Burt Reynolds: [chuckles] No, you didn’t.
I much prefer older Tom Selleck to younger Tom Selleck. Think Boston Legal vs Magnum PI. Young Selleck kind of skeeves me out a little, in fact.
I like cartoon Tom Selleck in “Meet the Robinsons”.
It’s true what they say. Gentlemen prefer blondes
But gentlemen marry brunettes.
Hey now, I married a blonde.
Oh. Ok.
And now he’s on a cop-fellating show.
My ex-wife informs me, per that show, that he has adopted my mannerisms and were it not for his work and dye job we would bear more than a passing resemblance.
Could’ve been worse. She could’ve had you stay inside and play.
IT’S ABOUT TIME THOMAS MAGNUM WAS RECOGNIZED.
Remember Mac!
Bill Nye once again be totally all about the science.
*Apologies in advance to Jesse for dropping this abomination on his Manly Monday*
No, go with the irony angle, it will work.
The universe seems to be obsessed with completely obliterating my childhood and making me a cynical, bitter fuck.
What, you used to watch this guy’s show?
I just found out I’ve been confusing Bill Nye and Beakman’s World. I didn’t even know Beakman’s World was a thing until five minutes ago. I thought Bill Nye had a guy in a rat suit in his cast of characters.
Ugh, the hell is Beakman’s World?
After some Googling, I can determine I didn’t miss much not growing up with cable.
Something I’m certain I’ll be wishing is around for my someday children when they’re watching programs extolling how great and preferable transgender people are.
Pat Nguyen the Science Otherkin?
Pffft. Yeah right. By the time your someday children are watching said programs, you’ll be streaming exclusively.
Dora the Gender Explorer.
I keep saying, it’s swinging in the other direction. In a decade or two this period is not going to be looked at fondly.
It constantly swings back and forth. Every couple of decades the narrative switches from the Progressives to the SoCons.
That’s a good point, actually. I already am. Hulu ftw. And who knows, maybe I’ll luck out and civil society will collapse in the next decade, taking the public school system with it. One can hope!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKUOB8MN4Kc
See, universe thought it could get me with Smurfs and Turtles. But no, until they fuck up live action Robotech I stay strong!
“*Anime being made into a live action Hollywood movie* better be good!”
Oh god. Someone make sure Pan isn’t near sharp objects or rope when it comes out.
Why would you infringe on his right to die, John?
His punishment must be more severe.
Speaking of severe punishment, there was this with the following:
Red Dwarf has already called the appropriate punishment for me.
I am frankly shocked GitS did as well as it’s done, and apparently, it bombed. Just not as badly as I expected. Did anyone here see Lucy? Dear God in heaven, that movie was a travesty. Well, that’s the vibe I’ve gotten from the GitS trailers, and not just because ScarJo. I fully expect this film also stuffs its head up its own ass and then proceeds to pummel its ass-head-stuffedness into a coma.
You got some ‘splainin to do.
Which reminds me that Lured is well worth a watch, if you only remember Lucy as the zany, aging ditz from the 50s onward.
I’m not all cultured and shit like y’all. The Lucy I’m talking about was ScarJo’s abomination in 2014. She ends up a thumb drive. I shit you not at all. No, it doesn’t get any better in the telling. Just remember: Lucy is a thumb drive, a literal, actual USB thumb drive.
Thumb drive of note
We just watched Lucy the other week. Yes, the ending was stupid and the whole brain capacity plot line was weird but I still thought it was a fun movie. I have a thing for Johansson though.
DON’T WE ALL. It’s partly why I have a vendetta for her dumb movies, because goddamn do I want to love her.
Under the Skin is supposed to be terrific. It’s one I’ve been putting off because I’m not into horror movies. But I like the premise and I like the style, from what I’ve heard.
Try Val Lewton’s stuff from the 40s, like Cat People or The Seventh Victim. The horror, for the most part, is what you imagine it to be, with a minimum of gore.
(Lewton didn’t have the budget for gore.)
So, not much different than Her? (Which I also didn’t watch.)
Hey, there’s “good” and there’s “not fucked up”. The Johannsen GitS is not good by any measure. But they didn’t fuck it up. It was at least about the things it needed to be, and it feed fanboys/paid homage (fuck, I still don’t know if it was pandering or genuine respect) to the original, and to Mamoru Oshii.
Likewise, new Power Rangers movie isn’t good but it’s about Power Rangers. Compared to Transformers, which is about some dumb humans and also the US military, with robots guest starring. Or Smurfs in modern day New York, because of course when we were kids and watching them what we really hated was how they had their own setting.
Parenthetically, He-Man already fucked it up in the 80s with live version, so any remake can either be as bad or an improvement.
Enjoyed GitS a lot myself – although in the back of my mind always comparing it to movie/series. Still haven’t read the manga, but the Standalone Complex shows are the high watermark that’s pretty much unbeatable.
Glad that they modified the villain from the original flick and they took the characters in some nice arcs while still keeping a few of the classic original setpieces.
That said, I did find this interesting. As mentioned previously, Japanese folks care much less about “whitewashing” and ScarJo seems to be everyone’s favorite part of the movie over there.
Somebody has to learn about TekWar.
I just thought of something. What if Nye is pulling an ICP? What if in a few years he comes out and goes “JUST KIDDING! CLIMATE SCIENCE IS BULLSHIT ALONG WITH EVERY OTHER THING I’VE TALKED ABOUT IN THE LAST 10 YEARS AND YOU MORONS FELL FOR IT!”
I want to believe.
Nobody’s that good of an actor
Nye drank a gallon of kool-aide. Like the others of his ilk he doesnt believe a goddamned word he says. There isnt anything he wouldn’t do to up his ratings with the cocktail party crowd.
What “ilk”? He is a fucking kid’s TV host. We might as well be asking the dude from Blues Clues about climate change.
The problem is, people–including scientists–kept asking him to be a public, familiar face for their efforts to get kids interested in their projects and operations. And he has allowed these publicity gestures to go to his head; and at this point he actually, honestly believes he is a scientist. This is clear. That is his delusion.
Bill Nye believes about climate change, astronomy, evolution, etc. exactly what every other layman thinks–he defers to what he believes is the consensus among scientists. It’s a perfectly reasonable thing to do; less reasonable is to overestimate your own ability to understand what the fuck they are talking about. And he is like your typical urban prog “science” aficionado on steroids in that respect.
What “ilk”?
“Science advocate”, i.e. relatively minor players in their field who manage to present pop culture science in a way that’s appealing to the masses. It turns them into self-aggrandizing pricks who think they can just spew their opinion on any subject and it’s correct (see Neil Degrasse Tyson’s historical illiteracy for examples).
This is a pretty good article tracing it all back to Sagan, who his modern descendants have taken all his style but none of his substance.
This is true, but there are distinctions.
A scientist–a real scientist–has two potential jobs: research and pedagogy. A “popularizer” has several potential jobs: entertainment; piquing the interest of kids; giving the public a sub-introductory rundown of a scientific issue; making the public more informed or appreciative of science in general; and so forth.
Richard Feynman is a household name for his affable personality, but he was first and foremost a genuine giant in his field of research, and secondarily an excellent pedagogue for academic students of physics, and only beyond that a skilled popularizer. There are other, less prominent examples of this in physics and other fields, too. Some scientists are “famous” (especially in the YouTube era) among students for their skilled pedagogy but not really research distinguished.
Carl Sagan was not particularly distinguished in either. He was very skilled and even reasonably (by no means completely) accurate as a popularizer. Neil DeGrasse Tyson is a real scientist in that he has a Ph.D. in his field, but he is an intellectually lazy, self-important sack of shit who is a genius at media instinct and not much else.
Bill Nye is not any of this. He is not a scientist, period. He has no Ph.D. or even a Masters. He has no expertise. He has done no scientific research and (when presented with this fact) appears to not even know what science is. He is a children’s TV actor on a program about science. He wears a lab coat to “do science” like the woman who plays the Chief from Carmen Sandiego carries a magnifying glass to investigate crime. He is a man of perhaps slightly above average intelligence who has allowed himself to sink into deep delusion about this matter.
BTW I had read the article a couple days ago and followed all its link trails, too. Pretty insightful stuff.
“What if Nye is pulling an ICP?”
Can you elaborate on what it means to “pull an ICP”?
I presume trolling the world with your ignorance of magnets or something. I don’t really follow those folks, but they seem to make a lot of misfit and hard-luck kids feel like they have a loving community in the world so I am all for them.
Insane Clown Posse is (was?) a group of shock rappers that dressed like murderous clowns and sang about really vulgar shit. They had some very cryptic stuff but they were very adamant they were only going to put out a set number of albums (I think it was 8) and then they would reveal their ‘secret’. Well at the end of their last CD on their last track they came out and literally said “Fooled you! We were rapping about Christianity the whole time! We love God and Jesus and we hope you will too!” Not sure if anyone actually believed them at that point but they said it nonetheless.
Selleck is one of the few actors that helped me to pretend that not all actors are gay. Not that there is anything wrong with gay, but Christ, cant we have one?
Oh, and John Wayne. And William Smith. And Jack Palance. Ricardo Montalban.
Ok, never mind.
Tom Hardy?
*snerk*
He’s as straight as Liberace and Tab Hunter put together.
“But asked if he’d ever had any sexual relations with other men, the broody actor said: ‘As a boy? Of course I have. I’m an actor for ****’s sake.”
Go ahead, smash my fantasy.
Oh. Well, I withdraw my previous comment. Still one hell of an actor though.
Man, everyone’s gay once in a while! It’s Hollywood.
– Sgt. Lincoln Osiris
This quote is fucking platinum.
I am rather surprised that an Englishman is able to make a story in an English tabloid with that revelation. I would have thought that they would be all, “Come on Tom, you expect us to go to press with that? Give us a story about your meeting the Queen, or some grainy shots of you and your wife on the beach, or something!”
I think he tried to walk the comments back later, but considering England’s defamation laws I’m assuming he didn’t have much of a case for it.
Eastwood?
Lee Marvin? Charles Bronson?
Whoa, and yet Tom Hardy played Charles Bronson, of a sort. Full circle, man.
Different Bronson.
I take it you didn’t see In & Out then?
John Wayne? he was gay for miles, why do you think he walked like that?
The Hell He Was
I think Hyperbole meant Wayne was gay for Vera Miles in The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance.
Robert Mitchum? Of course, he was so effective you could even skip a day.
How about Gary Cooper? Or James Cagney? Or Michael Caine?
Watch North By Northwest. Cooper swishes when he breaths.
Which scene in North By Northwest would that be?
I’m getting a little Quigley here. Has anyone seen my Sharps?
The 45-90? I haven’t seen it.
*makes sure safe is locked*
*gets a fistful of Aussie dynamite*
I think you’re meaning the 45-110, mate.
“sighted to 1200 yards, shoots a bit farther than that”
Actually it is a winchester ’85, but close. I started to have it chambered in 45 basic but with smokeless powder I can make it do anything I want. I dont have a Sharps.
*kicks rock and slinks away*
Selleck won’t judge and neither will I. As long as you can shoot two idiots with one round when they line up, it is all good.
The only one to do true justice to that trick is Deadpool.
Obligatory
Honest Abe: I am not a crook
“A long-lost letter, written by Abraham Lincoln responding to accusations of getting in the way of a corruption investigation, is worth more than $80,000 – and it is now for sale.
“This letter was one of several that were left in an abandoned house and lost for many years. “
Honest Abe.
Remarkably, the guy who found this letter also discovered a $60,0000 letter from Thomas Edison calling Alexander Graham Bell a “dim bulb.”
$60,000
He ‘found’ them, did he?
For the benefit of the guy’s lawyers, let me say that was strictly a joke.
Does it feel in any way bizarre to be jacking off to a man who is selling your mom reverse mortgages? I am not particularly young, and even I think of Mr. Magnum as an old dude.
Wait, the reverse mortgage is not a sexual position?
Manly Monday isn’t about fap material. I believe WordPress cranks your hosting fees up considerably if one posts fappable things. Besides the beauty of film is that it captures a specific moment. I can find Magnum PI-era Tom Selleck attractive without thinking of him as more than an engaging actor in Bluebloods (though he’s aged better than can be expected of someone who did something like 8 seasons of beach drama in a time before obsessive sunblock use)
You don’t really strike me as that naive – surgery (granted, very well done) and dye.
So I played what used to be a fun game…put the words “Emma Watson feminism” in Google News and see what turns up.
By now it’s fairly slim pickings.
“… I have criticized white feminists like Emma Watson for promoting the idea that gender inequality only exists because women haven’t extended a “formal invitation” to men—and not because men benefit immensely from gender inequality. And I still believe that feminism should, at its core, be a revolutionary, intersectional, and unapologetic movement.
“But being a feminist, even a watered-down feminist, comes with repercussions. Even Emma Watson’s conciliatory HeForShe speech, where she spends most of the time talking about all the ways in which men are oppressed, triggered intense backlash.”
“When I first started writing this column, I was careful not to step on any toes. I wanted to be moderate and write articles that everyone would agree with. I wrote about slut-shaming, the stigma around periods, and rape culture. I thought that these topics would be relatively uncontroversial: don’t shame women for having sex, don’t make fun of women for menstruating, and don’t rape women.
“And yet, I received horrible comments from men all over the Internet.”
“When I first started writing this column, I was careful not to step on any toes. I wanted to be moderate and write articles that everyone would agree with. I wrote about
slut-shaming, the stigma around periods, and rape culture.Black single mothers, the high incarceration rate of blacks, and the relative intelligence of blacks versus other races. I thought that these topics would be relatively uncontroversial:don’t shame women for having sex, don’t make fun of women for menstruating, and don’t rape women.Don’t have children you cant or won’t support, don’t commit crimes disproportionately to your overall demographic representation in society, and don’t blame yourself too hard cause you just aren’t as smart as everyone else.“And yet, I received horrible comments from
menblacks all over the Internet.”I dont know what any of that means Eddie. It’s just garbledegarble. And what is this stigma around periods thing? I have been hearing about that more lately. I had a girlfriend who developed a stigma about periods. It might have been because that one time I raised my head up out of her lap with blood dripping off of my chin. Maybe. Anyway, I dont have a thing about periods.
Someone earned their red wings.
Thanks for helping me with my diet, I probably won’t eat for several days.
The periods thing is apparently men are not allowed to be in anyway grossed out or offended by viscous noxious smelling bloody discharge coming from a woman’s vagina, and that we should happily bathe in their menstrual juices as if it were an exfoliating lotion.
Those lucky fucking translesbians get to play the same card if their chicks don’t swallow.
Meanwhile, most women will react to a man popping a boner as if it’s hilarious, disgusting, immoral, or all three.
Maybe you should just find a less judgmental vet’s office to work at.
Never trust anything that bleeds for three to five days out of the month, but doesn’t die….
Wet t-shirt contest!
Damn it; if only Andrea Dworkin were still alive…
I googled… I wish I hadn’t.
I like to imagine an Agent 47-style hitman behind Watson with a garrote as she reads the word ‘repercussions’.
It always strikes me as unwarranted and retrograde to immediately assume bad faith in people. Like, listen, I get you may have differences with Watson’s tactics, but maybe she’s an earnest soul acting in good faith?
And then I remember that people who take critical theory seriously are fucking monsters for whom punching up isn’t simply an option, it’s a requirement. So of course they’re going to eat their own, because that publish or perish prerogative outdoes, you know, actually achieving anything.
Man, the comments… don’t they get any readers except when (I’m guessing) some MRA/PUA blog links to them?
Jesus, she got shredded.
My dad looks enough like Tom Selleck for the thought of anyone finding Tom Selleck attractive to be disgusting to me. Apparently at the time they were married, my mom got all sorts of high-fives for scoring the Tom Selleck lookalike.
I do like Magnum, P.I., though. I think of it as “that show where Dad runs around in way-too-short shorts,” but I do like it.
I wonder what it’s like to have chest hair. It seems bizarre, even unhealthy. Maybe even immoral. Like these men traded their soul with the devil, and accepted chest hair as the consequence for growing magnificent mustaches.
It sucks, it’s hot and itchy in the summer and I’m pretty sure I only evolved it due to living in northern Ontario.
I never figured you for being hirsute, my red brotha. I guess it does happen, though.
Chest hair seems pretty reasonable; seems like the one of the last places it would “evolve” away. What I have always found unimaginably funny, though, is armpit hair. So weird that there is hair there, in those two silly little tufts isolated from everything. Rather inconvenient place for it, too. But perhaps because of that, it’s my favorite body hair; I have a taste for the absurd. I’d want even more if I could have it.
I have chest and stomach hair and don’t even grow that awesome of a beard. I got royally screwed.
I seen some dudes with an impressive carpet of back hair and not even that crazy amount of chest hair, and barely that much armpit hair at all. It’s funny enough when they have an even carpet all over their torso, like an ape. But it’s even funnier when it’s just that they have a regular lot of back hair, and then they turn around and look from the front like a normal dude with a normal amount of chest hair.
Agreed. 52 and smoove as a baby’s bottom. As Zod intended.
I like it, but mine is surprisingly soft, and guys seem to be delighted by the appearance and then it not feeling like a brillopad. The one downside is that sunscreen seems to get picked up by the hair more than the skin so I get splotchy burns on my chest if I don’t use the spray stuff on it and rub it in. I also learned at some point that a little back hair at the nape of the neck prevents tshirt tags from being irritating. I shaved it once and spent the next few weeks constantly angry at tshirt makers (less of an issue with the printed in tags now).
Whatever. Let’s see what Poppy is up to.
Hi there, I’m Poppy.
I’m pretty sure Poppy is some manifestation of an Elder God, and to witness her true form is to bring madness and despair on oneself.
She’s the cutest manifestation of one that I’ve ever seen.
They warned me Satan would be attractive.
That line has much more impact if you read it in Zapp Brannigan’s voice.
If we can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominos will fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.
STOP EXPLODING YOU COWARDS.
Exactly!
Poppy?
https://youtu.be/54DltnHjwHQ
So i’ve been going through the GAO report on how “Right Wing Extremism” is far more deadly than Islamic terror
This is like the 3rd or 4th time i’ve audited the way these “quantifying terror”-exercises are done over an equal # of years.
(e.g. West Point did a report in 2013 on “Right wing Extremism” by a guy named Dr Ari Perliger – ctc.usma.edu/posts/challengers-from-the-sidelines-understanding-americas-violent-far-right ; U Maryland has its “Global Terror Dataset” which tries to track terror trends since the 1970s; the New America foundation – which is connected to Peter Bergen – does their own studies on terror; and this most recent thing is connected to “START” = ‘study of terror and responses to terror’ – a different program also @ U MD but connected to Harvard – start.umd.edu/data-and-tools/start-datasets )
This latest thing (START) used by the GAO is the “US Extremist Crime Dataset”. (ECDS)
The quick summary of “why this is complete shit and should be laughed at/ignored” is mostly the same as previous similar exercises* = its comparing apples/oranges, and trying to purposely ignore “Terror” in favor of some more-expansive “extremism”.
Basically, they’re comparing
– crimes committed by people who may belong to ‘right wing’ groups, or may have been motivated by some racist or homophobic animus* …and which resulted in a fatality.
to
– “acts of terror committed by muslims…. which resulted in a fatality”
this means =
if an Aryan brother shanks someone in jail = 1 Death due to right-wing extremism
if an ISIS inspired dipshit tries to set off a bomb in times square and fails = no entry at all
You can see how the former type of situations – ‘anything with a right-wing-group association’ – would be pretty easy to add up lots of individual deaths. 77% of the incidents they cite are ‘1 person killed’. The few incidents which involve multiple deaths… well, lets just say that most are “problematic”.
e.g. the second most deadly act of Right-Wing violent extremism in their dataset is the Lockheed Martin shooting in 2003. 15 people were shot, 6 were killed. 5 of the 6 were black, so some papers had suggested there was a racist-angle. According to the wiki of the event =
The same basic thing happens the more events you look at. As mentioned in previous thread, they described the 2015 Oregon Umpqua Community College shooting as conducted by a “White supremacist”. Who was half black. And all of his victims were white.
I’m already belaboring this whole thing… but here’s the reason why =
The issue i have here is that this is basically a game being played with taxpayer dollars, and the point of it is to simply try and get the federal govt to divert homeland security money to SPLC/other left-wing causes. That’s basically its all about. But what fucks me off is that they’re literally wasting huge piles of money and time just to cook up this horseshit dataset, and then get the media to wave its bullshit headline conclusions around.
Its basically the same game they played with the “Campus Rape Culture” nonsense. And its a game i think probably happens 100 times a day in different areas of life.
and sorry for this being so long. i realized it was taking too long when i hadn’t even gotten to the “why islamic terror is also wrongly-assessed”-bit yet
At least you summed it up well, I don’t have to go through all the politalk on the GAO report.
None of this surprises me at all, These media outlets have to have some statistic to fall back on, and since 99% of the population will accept it as fact when they find out it’s a government report, and don’t look at how it’s collected, works out well for the narrative.
I also hadn’t even gotten to the part where i questioned the idea that “Racism” is inherently political, much less “right-wing”.
Part of these studies assumptions seems to be that “Group Hatred” is something unique to only one side of the political spectrum. I’ll concede that Neo-nazi groups or the KKK can be called “right wing”, just because i think they’re trivial so who cares. But they go farther and just pretend that every act that has even the most tenuous ‘racial’ angle is therefore “ideological”…which is just idiotic
In addition to the BS way they classify rightwing extremism that you pointed out, even the language they use betrays their bias. “However”. Indeed. Also, that is an interesting date to start the calculation from. Wonder why they chose Sept 12 and not Sept 11?
All of these analyses exclude 9/11 in an attempt to put some kind of ‘normalized perspective’ on the subject of islamic terror. the GTD includes it but only because they go back to the 1970s and the glut of fatal/non-fatal attacks that happened back then helps make it look like 9/11 was just an aberration in a long decline in terrorism.
speaking of which… their preamble in the report makes this point =
Of course, the GTD dataset showed those same groups were responsible for something like 30-40% of all *attacks* during that same period. Its just that the START set only looks at ‘fatalities’, while the GTD included anything that was politically motivated.
I’m sure if white supremacists had somehow killed 3,000+ people in a single event, they’d treat it as an aberration just the same.
/sarc