By: Anon Anon
A group of grown men stand around in an otherwise empty schoolhouse. Out in public, you wouldn’t be able to spot them as cohorts. They rarely wear their uniforms out in public, and they come from every walk of life. Some have dirty hands and torn dungarees. Some have meticulous spectacles and Italian loafers. In here, standing under a trifecta of flags, standing in the anonymity of their uniforms, this paramilitary squad happily show off enough pins, dangly medals, and patches to make a third world dictator lift an eyebrow.
Once everything is in place, the youth squad is led in. The boys have their own uniforms. They are a little bit different from the men’s. But a little bit the same, too. The men stand ready when the youth come in. Patriarchal traditions are passed on best when men present a united front, and these men look prepared and competent.
Ritual. Uniformity. Ceremony. Sacrifice. Brotherhood.
These are ideas that have always motivated boys, sometimes to gleeful bloodshed. Knowing this, these are the ideas that these men use to mold the minds of the youth. The ceremony starts. The rituals begin. A flag is saluted, allegiance is pledged, prayers are invoked, oaths are repeated. Next, a new round of indecipherable pins are given to select youth who have shown sufficient vigor. The youth are split by age and led apart. Small cliques are easier to control than large groups.
What authoritarian Hellhole is this? A Hitler Youth rally? A Southeast Asian secret police meeting? Some African boy-army training? No, this is America. Trump’s America. And it is happening right under your noses.
It’s your local Cub Scouts. Please buy popcorn.
Today, I am one of those men. A few decades ago, I was one of those boys. Somewhere in between I picked up Heinlein, filed my first income tax return, and decided I was going to teach myself economics by reading the stilted English of a few peculiar Austrian authors.
How’s that for some cognitive dissonance? Paramilitarist on the streets, libertarian between the sheets. I was raised Catholic, so I know how to hold two mutually exclusive ideas in my head at the same time.
But really, there isn’t any dissonance. Scouting as a youth was good for me. Scouting was something I chose to do. When I said the pledge every week, it was because I chose to. When I humped a backpack through a downpour with my best friends, it was because I chose to. When I connected with the other scouts and made a community, it was because I chose to. When I had a personal crisis and leaned on my Scoutmasters, the way any boy should lean on his father, it’s because I chose to.
And those Scoutmasters made a choice to be the man in my life when I needed it. The father that Mother Nature gave me wasn’t good for much more than introducing me to occult rock and teaching me the value of cynicism. A boy should have more than that out of a father. Fortunately, I had a very peculiar volunteer community that gave me what I needed.
Then I went to college and grad school. I focused on me, not a community. That’s OK. That’s what college is for. My engineering classes hammered home some libertarian facts – bridges fall if you design them wrong and no one can argue them back up. An A really is an A. At the same time, my autodidactic education was directed more to some classic libertarian past times. I read Rothbard and Hayek and Smith and Rand. I made friends with progressives for the first time. I learned that I wasn’t really a political conservative after all. I started voting strategically in local elections and writing in “Fuck You” for national elections. I rolled my eyes at the pledge and stayed silent when they played the National Anthem at hockey games.
I thought I was an individualist. I knew how to shoot and do laundry and cook and all those things Heinlein said to do except that bit about the sonnet. Sure, most of those skills I learned in scouting. But that was behind me. It was a ghost of a memory that only rattled a few chains when I used those skills. I had a small handful of good, deep, solid friendships with people who didn’t agree with me on anything political. I was my own man, living in the city but apart from any real community. I knew I was standing on my own beliefs and I didn’t need anyone with me. I was a libertarian. I was a lone wolf.
What a jackass.
After school, I moved to a new city, took up a new job, and got to know a few people. A very few people. I mostly lived my life alone with just my wife and later a cat and two small humans. I spent all my time in my apartment or in the office. I didn’t spend much time with anyone else. I barely knew anyone I didn’t work with. Which is OK, because I’m an individualist, I told myself. Over, and over, and over again. I almost believed it.
A few years go by, the oldest kid comes home from his government school with a blue and gold flier. “I wanna do this,” he says. Three years later, and I’m running the kid’s Cub Scout Pack. I struggled for all of seven minutes trying to decide if putting on the uniform, saying a pledge, and reciting an oath would constitute turning my back on everything I have come to believe.
No, you jackass.
You are a big hairless ape and God made you to function in a community. Didn’t you say you read your Hayek and Smith? And really, this is the ideal libertarian community. There’s no government thug making me say the pledge. There’s no qualified immunity that attaches when I put on my uniform. There’s a couple dozen families that set aside two or three hours every week to come together to form a community. Arts, crafts, and watered-down juice mix are also often involved.
We say our oath because we want to. And it is an oath to ourselves, not to some outside authority figure that lords over us by an accident of birth. We say a pledge to a flag of an imperfect country that, warts and all, is still the greatest engine for freedom devised by man. We don’t pledge to land or a nobility. We have a law, and the only enforcement mechanism is our reputation with our peers. We work together to make a wooden cars and to make a community and to make our youth better men some day.
For me, that’s as libertarian as it gets. Forget the lone wolf crap.
I’m not gonna blow my chance at being the first comment.
but here it is
My dad fucks me
Entirely unexpected. Exceptionally bizarre.
First rate
Erm… OK…
lol. Especially funny while I’m listening to my employees discuss matters here in the office.
… Go on
Does he fuck you? Does he fuck you hard?
*cues Goodbye Horses*
YOU DON’T KNOW WHAT PAIN IS!!!!
OT: WHEN EVERYTHING IS TRANSPHOBIC, NOTHING IS: Activist Says Having ‘Genital Preferences’ In Dating Is Transphobic.
I’m glad they’re finally owning the internal consistency of their idiotic theories.
Conversely, wouldn’t that mean if you’re a
transgenderwhackadoodle who wants to modify/mutilate your wedding tackle, you’re also a bigot?The way I read it, if you’re a person who wants your date to have genitals, you’re a bigot.
I love when progs dive as deep as they can into vastness of their idiotic logic ocean. I mean, obviously this person is stupid, but it is refreshing to hear someone actually using the same logic for their stupid arguments as opposed to the typical distraction and diversion tactics.
Arguing that a lesbian has to have sex with someone who has a penis as long as they identify as a woman is both logically consistent and hilariously retarded. Props to the maker of that video
Freedom toons had this covered back in November.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70czT6tPvcs
That video is quite accurate.
Guess I’m going to have to keep linking this Cotton Ceiling wiki article. No, this is not a joke wiki.
One of my favorite responses to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVS5kGU1Joo
” I was raised Catholic, so I know how to hold two mutually exclusive ideas in my head at the same time.”
That’s how I deal with stuff.
As a former scout myself, I believe that it was one of the big reasons I’m not a simpering snowflake like much of my generation. Also:
“The father that Mother Nature gave me wasn’t good for much more than introducing me to occult rock and teaching me the value of cynicism.”
There are worse alternatives.
There are worse alternatives.
Yeah, like Glitterstorm’s dad.
Our Boy Scout troop had an interesting specialty, though it was not officially acknowledged: demolition.
I’ve never understood the concept that if one considered himself to be an individualist that meant that he had to not participate in any group activity. That’s madness. A free man can choose what groups to belong to and what rules to follow. Groupings build communities; strong communities do not require more government, less government means more individual autonomy (hat tip, Russel Kirk).
I, for one, never made it past webelos (‘we belos your nose’ we use to joke).
“A free man can choose what groups to belong to and what rules to follow”
So much this..
Me either. It’s a pretty poor individual who loses himself in a crowd.
It’s a pretty poor individual who loses himself in a crowd.
I agree with everyone here!
*nervously looks around for acceptance*
I agree with everyone here!
Jesus Christ, bro, do you even libertarian?
What answer gets me into cocktail parties?
Where you claim to actually be a liberaltarian.
Say something about how bad some person is while exercising some constitutional right and then mention, as an aside, that what they are doing is actually protected by the Constitution. Then start selling out on core issues in order to appease your ‘betters’, until you just basically defending the right of people to hail an Uber, while people are being censored by the government. Finally, you have to declare ‘Libertarian moment!’ over the most benign things. Cocktail parties are sure to follow
To be sure
+ Rico Suave
A beautiful mane of hair won’t hurt, either.
To me, individualism is more about how you perceive others, rather than about how you perceive yourself.
I was kicked out of Brownies for fighting.
Cat fight meow
Groupings build communities; strong communities do not require more government, less government means more individual autonomy (hat tip, Russel Kirk).
I’d probably take it further than that. I’d argue the strongest communities are those engaged in voluntarily. I don’t think it’s happenstance that the profusion of civil society described by de Tocqueville happened when America was barely governed at all. And I don’t think it’s just a happenstance that the decline of civil society described in pieces like “Bowling Alone” took place once the government expanded in the 30s-40s.
+1 Red Dawn
The one with the Rooskis and the Cubans, or the one with the Norks?
The one with Lea Thompson, of course.
+1 picknic basket of explosives
-1 k. I’m not a gud spellier
Per Mark Twain, it’s a poor intellect that can only find one way to spell a word…
Always the correct answer. Jeez.
Even if you travel back in time and get felt up by your Mom.
I was a miscreant Scout along with my friends. We threw hatchets, played with fire, drank, camped in unsafe places, and generally were a bunch of rowdy teenagers in the woods. I feel that I benefited from that.
The Scout troop I was in as a kid was the one where the courts sent juvenile delinquents for their community service. Capture the flag games at night were full contact.
So, What did you do that got you sent there?
My parents thought that I needed outdoor activity and the “good influence” of the Boy Scouts.
Another memory surfaces: yup, we played full contact capture the flag also. I recall exactly zero adult supervision during these contests.
I suppose we technically had adult supervision. If you count the 18-20 year old assistant scoutmasters as adults. And if you count them being a team in capture the flag as supervision.
We played kill the carrier or “smear the queer” as we called it.
Ours too. British Bulldog was rougher than rugby.
Same here. I was in Scouts until I was probably 16 (driver’s license + car = social life in small town Texas). Many good life lessons learned.
Yes. Scouts was basically just anarchy in the woods with a lot more fire.
You’re lucky. My Girl Scout troop met in the school library. In Vermont. Like, outdoor survival heaven. But nope. School library.
In Camp Fire Girls, we actually learned about camp fires.
Imagine if you were in Scouts and Bill Nye was the leader…
Who wants their penis removed… with SCIENCE?!
If by science you mean rat trap, I’m way ahead of you.
We would have bound and gagged him somewhere along the Appalachian trail and left him for Steve Smith.
Our Scoutmaster was a Vietnam-Era helicopter pilot who routinely threatened to break our knees just like he and his buddies did to the Viet Cong.
I had a boss like that. Awesome guy. Any time you complained he would be like “Have you ever been shot? How about blown up with a hand grenade? No? Then shut the fuck up and work!”
My style…
Your lack of inclusion of trans-issues in this narrative sounds extremely othering and dismissive of other people’s lived experiences. reporting your troop to authorities
“I was raised Catholic, so I know how to hold two mutually exclusive ideas in my head at the same time.”
Like?
He was referring to the Trinity, of course. How God can be three distinct entities while still being one singular God.
Always assume the best
I’ve argued the trinity makes Christianity a polytheistic religion instead of monotheistic, but just to stir the pot.
Except nobody actually really understands the fucking doctrine of the trinity.
It’s not that difficult to understand.
Watch and learn.
Ahhh, I wish my Sunday school nuns had explained it like that.
Sabellianism.
You got us there…if only Catholics had given some attention to the defense of Trinitarian!
doctrine
I noticed you went with the low hanging fruit and avoided the coup de grace rock paradox!
I wasn’t being insulting. I was saying those were the mutually exclusive ideas.
I get the Trinity. I’ve read Aquinas.
That’s not exclusive to Catholics. I mean, the Lutheran church we attend is NAMED Trinity.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQLfgaUoQCw
Saint Patrick tries to explain the Trinity. Courtesy of some Luthern comedy thing.
Punch line – I’m actually Catholic, not Lutheran, but the wife is the more devout of us and she hates the Catholic Church.
Which is kind of funny, as I’ve discovered that the differences between Catholicism and Lutheranism (at least the Missouri Synod variety we attend) are minute.
The video is still funny and explains the Trinity along with some the heresies that most Christian churches do not accept.
I knew a stripper named Trinity.
But was she holey?
Like God CAN make a rock so heavy he can’t lift it…and then he lifts it anyways.
I prefer “Can God make a burrito so hot, even He can’t eat it?”
Thank God we have The Fusionist here to tell us that Catholic dogma is completely coherent and not in any way self contradictory.
I was just asking for some examples and evidence of the author’s claim.
I’m the author. I was referring to the contradiction between the Jesus-centric communication path with the Father found in, eg, John 14, and the organization-centric communication path with the Father that the Catholic Church sticks to. My read of the Gospels is that Jesus ended the authority of hierarchical organizations in matters of faith, and the Catholic Church is first and foremost a hierarchical organization that is nominally interested in matters of faith.
Also, isn’t it the stereotype that all Italian Catholic mothers follow the “I love you, that’s why I make you so miserable” school of parenting?
(I filled in Anon Anon as the first and last name of the submission field of the form, and the publisher used that instead of my log in handle – probably to protect my anonymity since it wasn’t clear what my preference was. I usually prefer to read the comments here instead of contribute, but since you asked directly I wanted to give you an answer.)
Thank you for the reply – I won’t bore you with Matt 16:18, but without some kind of organization, how does the Christian community take disputes to the Church and expel unrepentant wrondgoers (Matthew 15:17, 1 Cor 5:1-13)?
18:17 not 15:17
To answer your direct question, a social organization doesn’t need hierarchy to decide to exile someone from the group. A church led by a first (or many firsts) among equals is still a church capable of kicking someone out.
About Matthew 16:18, I don’t think 16:22-23 immediately after it are consistent with a reading of 16:18 that is vesting in Peter a perpetual office that includes infallibility.
But in any case, I don’t claim to have all the answers. That’s why I left the Church but don’t suggest anyone else is in error for being in it.
Thank you for the thoughtful reply!
I did some scouting when I was a young man. It was a good time, and I concur with the authors conclusions. Voluntary groups, especially ones that teach important life skills seem to be disappearing. I don’t know what the numbers are for scouting recruits are today but they probably aren’t great and that’s kinda sad. The self-reliance and group bonding are healthy things for young people to experience.
Everybody is a rapist now, so kids can’t go outside without a blood relative chaperone, soon to be government assigned chaperone.
Too true, why I as I was walking to my car this morning a wild rapist assaulted me. And that’s in the city. In the woods I would imagine that STEVE SMITH is just running rampant
My wife is a city girl and gets nervous when we go out in the woods. “What if someone is out here?” She ask. I say “we live in a city with a million idiots and you’re worried we’re going to run into a psycho in the middle of the forest?”
But, but… it’s reassuring to know that your murder will likely be witnessed by apathetic bystanders.
*Checks round is chambered for the 937th time today – puts Glock back in IWB holster*
Yeah, what if?
Depends on the pack, I imagine. My son’s Cub Scout pack is thriving – they have so many Bear Cubs that they had to split it into two dens. I’d suggest that’s because we kind of do what we want. Other than adhering to the requirements for pins and belt loops, we pretty much ignore any guidance from national and just try to do fun things for the boys.
I was never a scout myself, but I’m glad he does it. Anything that gets him out of the house occasionally is OK by me – when I was his age, I was freely roaming the neighborhood all day every day, but of course no children do that anymore. Even if I pushed him out of the house, there would be no other kids to play with because they’re all closed up in their houses on their PS4s, too.
A co-worker told me that his kids, aged 13 and 10, aren’t allowed to play outside without an adult present. How can you play, inside or out, with an adult present? The first time I told my granddaughter that I was taking her to the woods she looked at me like I’d gone absolutely batshit crazy. We had a ten minute conversation that consisted solely of, “We’re going to the woods?” “Yep, the woods.” “The woods?” “Yes, the woods.” I thinking scouting programs are good for kids. My son was a scout and my grandson was a Young Marine and is now in Navy JROTC.
Navy?!
smh
That is what is available at his high school. I’m pretty sure he will follow in his Dad’s footsteps and join the Marines after college.
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I like that “rant” is an official topic at Glibs.
It’s they only way we could get most of you hoi polloi to contribute and remain accurate in our labeling.
Even when I was a youngin’ I thought there was something “dweeby” about the Boy Scouts. Or maybe it’s because none of my older brothers participated in Scouting.
I went to a few meetups via my best friend – to see how far his little wooden car ran on a track – but it just wasn’t my thing.
Of course I was the kind of kid who also hated Sunday school, church gatherings, family gatherings, school, or anything where I was forced to associate with people that I, by my nature, disliked.
And look where that attitude has brought you.
Here.
I’ve known at least 7 eagle scouts in my life thus far. Not a single damn one of them could survive 2 hours in the woods alone. One and all they are aspy super dorks. YMMV
*checks Eagle Scout badge*
Can’t disagree, Negroni.
This is why I stopped at star. that and I turned 15 and found my penis.
Where had you left it?
It was there all along, waiting, silently, ready for the day I would realize it’s beauty and potential. It’s been faithful to me ever since, although it does have a mind of it’s own sometimes.
Late bloomer, huh?
Scouting has changed over the years, admittedly.
I was mildly enraged when I read a newer edition of the Handbook and there was a whole section on what to do if you think someone inappropriately touched you during a wrestling match. Yet, the section on how to properly take a dump in the woods was gone.
True story: I didn’t know how to take a shit in the woods until well after I became an adult, information I definitely could have used during my scouting years.
First lesson, this is poison ivy….
Oh no, THAT one was literally lesson 0 in the boy scout manual. I am pretty sure it was explained to me on my very first day.
Second lesson is don’t use white toilet paper during deer season.
“Its not white for long!”
Unless of course you’re in to that sort of thing.
I never was a scout, but I have an old copy of a “Handbook For Boys” (or some similar title) that used to belong to my father. While some of it is outdated, it’s chock full of generally useful information, such as how to chop trees, tie knots, etc.
I spent my teens and 20s doing lots of outdoorsy stuff. never met a single Eagle Scout in NOLS or Outward Bound or rock climbing or whatever (disclosure = i was a cub scout, but i was in it for the cover of legitimacy it provided to activities like “starting fires and playing with knives”).
I did meet a number of middle-manager ‘former Eagle scouts’ in the business world. They seemed to be instinctively “organization-people” who liked to join clubs. Ace Toastmasters. etc.
I think “misapplied formatting” should be included with “bad threading” and “broken links” to be properly Me’d
When they were preparing the press kits for the movie Wild at Heart, each actor involved had lengthy bios about their credits, achievements, lifestyles, etc.
And then there was David Lynch, whose bio read:
David Lynch
Eagle Scout
Missoula, Montana
Eagle has become something to check off on the college app list. My troop was old school, you made Eagle after actually completing the requirements to task, condition, and standard. Scoutmaster was a retired O6, he didn’t fuck with “ok, that’s good enough” for badges. You did every requirement, to perfection, or you failed and had to retake in a month. We had 50 or so kids, and we had around 3 active Eagles at any moment. They also ran it the way it should be run: Scoutmasters are to advise, guide, and mentor, the boys should be running the meetings, planning trips, etc. My troop was basically run like a military unit. We had an HQ patrol, three line patrols, and an entry patrol that processed incoming Cub Scouts for six months before they moved to a line patrol. Your patrol leader actually ran his patrol, and reported to the Senior Patrol Leader. Camping trips the adults would literally just drive. The boys made camp, ran the planned activities, and did everything else.
If anyone is interested in Scouting for your boy, go to a few different meetings of different troops. If there’s a bunch of 14 year old Eagle Scouts, if the adults are running the whole meeting and they bring a generator to the camping trips, it’s a shitty troop. There’s still good ones out there, but you gotta look for them. Making Eagle in legit fashion takes years. If the Troop Leader is bragging about all his kids make Eagle in 18 months, its bullshit. It’s exactly an example of snowflake/1st place trophies for all mentality. I was a damn good Scout for the three years I did it, and I has only about halfway to making Life.
My older brother is an Eagle scout and I beg to differ.
I’ve know two others – one got a Bronze Star in Afghanistan, in a horrible place, and the other will even risk STEVE SMITH country when camping.
Guess we just knew different Scouts.
I never made it past Star – job, girls, car…that ended that. Of course, I joined the #$%&ing Army a few years later. I never want to sleep in a tent the rest of my days.
I hear you. Tent is too much luxury. Maybe a poncho liner if you don’t feel like roughing it?
Only kidding. It took a couple years for me to want to go to the beach again.
Also a Star and then dropped out after entered the teenage rebellion years. What a dumbshit I was (and am).
Stay classy, New York Times.
http://dailycaller.com/2017/04/23/nyt-tiptoes-around-feelings-of-people-who-mutilate-little-girls/
“The Boy Scouts of America’s regional council in Kansas City released a statement Tuesday distancing itself from a former troop leader charged with sexually abusing a teenage boy.”
http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article145353389.html
I generally am not a joiner (my wife tried forever to get me to join the Masons for whatever reason), but I do enjoy being involved in the Marine Corps League. I’m really not an outgoing sort, so it’s nice to have at least one group of people I feel comfortable around because of a shared association and experiences.
“(my wife tried forever to get me to join the Masons for whatever reason)”
She’s looking out for your interests…if things on this planet go badly, Masons will have preferred spots on the escape vessel…oops, I’ve said too much already.
Got bad news for you, Heaven’s Gate already grabbed the best seats.
Look, it’s 1/3 Masons, 1/3 Opus Dei, and the remaining 1/3 of the seats…you can guess (((who))) gets those.
Lol, you stupid fucks. You really think Xenu is gonna let escape pods get away like the Empire did the one carrying R2-D2 and C3PO? Nope. Best bet is to sit tight, go clear and leave when you’re allowed to.
There’s a reason I took a job with a rocket manufacturer. Hint: It’s not the 401k.
The pension?
The pocket-sized, vibrating models your coworkers gave you to display on your desk?
The penison?
Giant flame spurting phallic symbols?
So why is the pope requiring people to join the Knights of Columbus instead?!?!?
Is this some sort of cruel hoax?!?!
Because it’s really just a front for the Knights Templar. Deus Vult, motherfucker!
The Knights of Columbus is the alternative to the Freemasons. The history between the Catholic Church and the Freemasons (primarily the continental version) is not good, to put it mildly.
– 1 Jacques de Molay
I think this speaks to a broader point so many non-libertarians don’t get about libertarianism. You don’t have to make your politics your life. I can be in favor of drug legalization, but abhor drug use. I can fight against government interfering with religious organizations and be an atheist. You can value the individual above all else and still see the need for voluntary groups.
To cons and progs, how you want the government to function must align with your personal attitudes on the matter.
Right. Just because I’m against something, doesn’t mean it should be against the law. And just because I have no interest in something, doesn’t mean I don’t think it should be legal.
My engineering classes hammered home some libertarian facts – bridges fall if you design them wrong
That’s just… like… your opinion, man.
I hit Tenderfoot around 12 and decided it wasn’t for me after the third fistfight. I really liked the outdoors aspect, and even then I enjoyed earning badges for accomplishing challenges in a list (Hello, Steam) but I’ve never had the temperament to be in clubs with rules and stuff. I’ve always tended to get INTJ in the Myers-Briggs tests, and to the extent that they’re any more valid than a horoscope it seems to fit. I don’t have a problem with authority per se, but once stuff stops making sense or working well, I make my own plans and do my own thing. My Scout troop was good for stuff like playing Red Rover with a bunch of delinquents from Bowie, but once we got to the part where I was supposed to listen to some skinny idiot just because he “outranked” me, I opted instead to tell him to go fuck himself and carried on with my day. This did not endear me to the Scout Master, his father, and so I parted ways with the organization.
Luckily, my dad got it, being very much the same way, and he took me on the kind of camping trips where you hang out in the woods, drink Jim Beam, and fish all day. Subsequently, I learned more about wilderness survival than I had wearing uncomfortable shorts, along with important camping tips, such as always bringing a corkscrew in case the two chicks in Daisy Dukes at the campsite next to you forgot theirs.
And always bring condoms, because they may well have “forgot” their corkscrew intentionally.
Some survival guides suggest condoms for you emergency kit as water vessels. Pro tip: get non-lubricated. Ask me how I know…
You’re Florida Man. Of course you know.
My dad fucks me
Shreeek? Is that you?
Man runs into burning building twice to save beer, police say
http://www.ajc.com/news/crime–law/man-runs-into-burning-building-twice-save-beer-police-say/UWX6cwO9WbfUu5g4yjYAmJ/
“On his second exit, Casteel carried a pair of Bud Ice beers with him, KELO reported.”
So it wasn’t even good beer?
Anyway, should cops have better things to do than tweet lame memes?
I am presuming that those ‘programs’ are not voluntary? i.e. “sober up, or jail”?
Yes, as someone who would run into a burning building to save cheap beer wouldn’t voluntarily give up drinking. Although he probably should.
I was in the BSA. Never quite got Eagle before giving up (I did get Life though).
I was an atheist, and that made some of it a bit more difficult as I didn’t have any desire to out myself. That would probably have ended my continued association with the organization pretty quickly, as they were not tolerant of such views in my time.
Like you, I think there are some aspects that are good about the organization. Others aren’t so good. It is creepy to recite pledges of allegiance, oaths and the scout law and, among my flyover country deep-red-state troop, I don’t think it was optional.
It does, however, build character. The merit badges could have been more rigorous in my estimation, but I suppose that’s the difficulty in setting attainable goals for kids that aren’t too high but also pose a challenge. The simple fact that scouts are expected to stretch their capabilities is sufficient. I didn’t feel well-supported in patrol leadership by the scout master or his assistants. Maybe they thought I handled my patrol well enough, but I never felt like they paid any attention to that at all. Mine was one of only two in our troop that completed every “unit” (some of which counted towards badges) at summer camp, so there’s that I guess.
First aid, resuscitation, lifeguard training, etc. were all invaluable skills I feel everyone should learn, not just scouts.
The sad thing is, I feel as if the BSA and like-minded organizations will eventually die off and not be replaced by anything better. Even if I don’t agree with some aspects of the program, I do not feel that the current push to force the organization to accept “trans boys” is going to end well. There is already enough fear stoked by allowing gay participants and some of the scandals involving gay scoutmasters in the past. The ever-increasing numbers of helicopter parents already fear every shadow as it is, and stoking the fear of molestation is only going to strangle the organization further. This is why I feel that the social justice brigade is so very damaging to everything it touches. Orgs like the BSA are community-building, so that makes them the enemy to other sorts of “community organizers” who have different objectives than their kids having fun and becoming well-adjusted men in our society.
Here’s the problem I have with the gay/trans scoutmaster thing. According to the requirements, you’ve got to be 21 or older to be a scoutmaster, and between 18 and 21 to be an assistant scoutmaster. When I was in, I remember most of the other guys were probably between 10 and 16. Let’s say you’ve got a daughter, she’s a mature 15, and she’s in the girl scouts. How cool are you with her spending the weekend in the woods with a 21-year-old straight man? I mean, it’s been a little while since I was in my 20s, but I’ll tell you right now that betting that 22 year old Bill isn’t gonna wind up in a compromising situation with a svelte 16 year old with piercings and pack-a-day habit would be an easy way to lose that money. It would be foolish to the point of insanity to think that a tent full of raging hormones isn’t gonna take over in that situation.
I mean, the founder of the BSA came up with the whole thing picturing something like Moonrise Kingdom. And while that’s charmingly naive, it’s still naive.
While it is a problem, I suppose there are some solutions to it. One could become a scoutmaster and look after their own kid.
Like anything, sometimes kids will end up wanting something they can’t have for various reasons. It sucks to deny kids opportunities because you don’t want them to end up in bad situations. Even not being religious, I side with the Christians on that one: I think the push to force the scouts to accept trans boys (physically girls, and in my opinion better classed as tomboys until they’re old enough to make real decisions for themselves) is an underhanded effort to destroy the organization.
There is the argument about why have gender based scouting organizations, since at that level (at least until 12-13) it is primarily a cultural and superficial difference, and if the adults behave like adults there should be little conflict.
There was a six year old and eight year old caught having sex in the stairwell of the housing complex I lived in many moons ago. Just because they don’t understand what they’re doing doesn’t mean they won’t do it.
It may only take one rape accusation of a trans “boy” to cause a ripple effect across the country of parents pulling their kids out of the organization if it starts becoming commonplace, ruining it for everyone. Parents don’t want their sons’ lives ruined, and in this country a rape accusation has lasting effects, even if they’re found innocent. Unfortunately, some girls learn from their friends how easy it is to get what they want by alleging abuse.
It’s not the kids’ fault. It’s not even the fault of gay/trans adults. It’s the proggy politics and the fucking powderkeg they’ve turned everything they touch into that is to blame for this. It’s decades of “stranger danger” in a 24-hour news cycle that are to blame. Our society is composed of a lot of people who don’t trust each other very much right now, and it would be a fucking shame were one of the few good things still in existence to help young boys learn how to be men (scouting) ruined because of the shitty politics of adults who should know better.
Bravo! I was a cub scout, a webelos, and partial boyscout(had a shitty troop leader that never took us camping). Many life lessons learned. Voluntarily.
We had exactly one Eagle scout ever in our troop. No-one gave a shit. I was SPL and stopped at First Class.
Punch line: the lone Eagle was arrested at the age of 19 for stabbing his gay lover to death.
But he observed all proper knife safety rules during the act, correct?
Used his official BSA knife.
Hands OMWC knife and says “thank you”.
He maintained his Totin’ Chip proficiency?
I suspect one corner was torn off…
He cut himself during the murder?
Guess I should be glad I didn’t make Eagle or I’d have become a gay murderer too.
We had an Eagle Scout here in Victoria who came back home after his first semester in college and killed his parents and brother.
There is no sugarcoating it – this was an unfortunate incident.
Argh! I be seeing what ya did thar, lad!
Well I hope he lost his Totin’ Chip for that.
Never did scouts since it was a predominantly Mormon/families with disposable income thing where I grew up, and my family wasn’t in either category.
Lots of forced hikes and outdoor activities with family in very rural places, though. That has to count for something.
I enjoyed scouts a lot.
This is probably too late for you to see it but I enjoyed your article. I think it speaks to what more than a few of us have experienced.
Never underestimate my vanity.
Glad you liked it.