*1950’s PSA announcer voice* Are you worried about the threat of violence due to local or global sociopolitical destabilization caused by natural or man-made catastrophic events? Do you feel your current daily equipment loadout or everyday carry would be insufficient when responding to a large, agitated populace or large scale terrorist attack? Are you simply bored and have too much money and need an excuse to purchase more guns? Sounds like you need a Get-Home-Bag!™ In this installment, NRA certified* tier mall ninja Vhyrus will show you how to make your GHB (or ‘force multiplier package’ for all you operators out there) using affordable, off the shelf items available to most of us courtesy of free market capitalism.
Now, before I begin, I want to start out with a few assumptions that I have made in composing this article. First, I assume you live in an area where you can legally purchase long arms and store them in some manner in your vehicle at all times. So, this article is basically void outside of North America (and CA, NY, and the rest of the slave states). Second, I assume you are able bodied enough to carry about 40 pounds of equipment and function while doing so. If that is not the case you may need to scale back your gear according to your ability.
If you are new to guns or not much of a gun person, this article is definitely made for you. I tried to explain the more esoteric points as clearly as possible. Those of you into guns may find this article a bit oversimplified, and for that I apologize. I also want to add that much of this is based on my opinion. Well researched opinion, mind you, but opinion nonetheless. This kit as I describe it certainly will get the job done, but certain specific details may be up for debate among some of the more ballistically inclined among you. Feel free to tell me how stupid I am in the comments.
So, what is a get home bag? Put simply, it is an emergency battle kit that will allow you to defend yourself if a serious SHTF situation were to occur while you were not home. This kit is not designed to protect or defend against normal criminal activity, such as a carjacker or mugger. That is what your pistol is for. I mean, you DO carry a pistol, don’t you? This is more designed along the lines of a major violent riot, large scale natural disaster, zombie apocalypse, etc. It is designed to be a self contained unit that you can grab from your vehicle in case you need to bail out and hoof it due to impassable roads or other quickly developing events. A GHB is not a bug out bag per se, although it could be part of a bug out bag if designed properly. I am going to go over the simplest form of the GHB, which is a rifle or shotgun, ammo, and body armor. Also, many of the items I will describe in this kit are not one size fits all. Depending on your local environment and laws, your bag may be very different from the one I show in this article. For example, if you live in a high population urban area, you will be more interested in a gun that can shoot quickly and accurately and hold a lot of ammo, whereas if you live out in bumfuck Iowa, you may want to ditch the body armor entirely for food and water, and carry a gun that holds fewer rounds but allows for longer range shots and more power. In part 2 of this series (yes, there is a part 2. Strap in fuckers, we’re just getting started) I will go into more detail on different guns for different situations and what works best for your area. This article is going to focus on a budget minded approach, so I am going to illustrate the cheapest way to implement a GHB. If you have a lot of disposable income and want to go crazy, then there is absolutely nothing wrong with buying a 2000 dollar trunk gun and a grand worth of ultra lightweight body armor. The kit I have put together is what I would consider to be the minimum necessary for a decent kit.
The first and most important part of your get home bag is a gun. Depending on your budget and situation, this may be the only part of your GHB, in which case it simply becomes a get home gun. Slap some ammo in it, throw it behind your seat, and you’re good to go. I recommend more than that in most cases, but at least it’s a good start. There are literally dozens, if not hundreds, of viable guns you could use for a trunk gun, and as I mentioned I intend to go into more detail in a separate article. If you’re pressed for time and want a TL;DR version, then the short answer is to buy an AR-15, which is what I ended up using for my kit. My initial idea was to purchase what I consider to be (at least in theory) the best get home gun currently on the market, the Kel-Tec SU-16CA. The SU-16 is essentially what you would get if you forced an AK to dress up like an AR. It is a piston driven, side charging rifle that takes AR15 magazines. It is lightweight, simple to operate, inexpensive, and has a few little features that make it unique amongst it’s peers. There are many different models, but the one we will focus on is the CA model. The CA model has 2 features in particular that are extremely useful for our purposes: It can fold in half for compact storage, and it can hold a 30 round magazine in the stock. This makes it the perfect grab and go rifle. The other great thing about this rifle is that it lacks features that would cause it to be classified as an assault rifle in the less free states, which should make it easier to acquire and carry in those second amendment challenged locations.
So, with my ideal rifle picked out, I set out to purchase one. The problem is, I can’t fucking find one! Right now it appears that the only model commonly available is the C model, which has an AK like underfolding stock. While handy and compact, it also gets rid of the magazine storage, which is kind of the whole point of the damn gun. The A and B models are also available, but the A has an 18 inch barrel which makes it harder to store and carry, and the B model has a pencil barrel, which makes it slightly lighter but also makes it much less capable of prolonged firing. Then there is the price. Right now these guns are running about $500-$600 new. While not expensive, currently you can get a brand name base model AR15 for as low as $400 and change, and the AR is a much better platform overall compared to anything kel-tec makes. The other nice thing about an AR is that they can be separated into two halves which allows very compact storage, even more compact than a folded SU-16. The only issue is that an AR does not have magazine storage in the buttstock. Fortunately, someone else took care of that since there are several options currently available that allow you to keep a magazine on the stock of the gun ready to go. The one I purchased is made by Blackhawk, but I actually recommend the Condor version. The straps on the Blackhawk one that I purchased are only designed for use with a GI type collapsible stock, so if you have a magpul one you will have to buy different straps like I did. The condor one comes with longer straps that will better fit different stocks, and it is cheaper.
In the end, I used a gun I already owned rather than buying a new gun, which obviously saves a ton of money. If you have a gun that could fit the role of a trunk or get home gun and you’d rather not buy another one then perhaps your existing gun could simply be modified to suit your needs. The gun I have is a side charging AR which uses a Bear Creek Arsenal side charging upper. Currently these are a ridiculously low price, and if you are at all interested in making a side charging AR, I highly recommend getting one. If there is an interest from the commentariat, I can also write up a short piece on assembling your own AR. Getting back to the topic at hand, I picked a side charging AR for several reasons. First, a side charging AR is simpler than a standard AR, as the charging handle pulls triple duty as a forward assist and a shell deflector. It also gets rid of the god awful charging handle on a mil spec AR. The barrel is a mid length 1:7 twist, although if I could do it again I would make it a 1:8 twist. I will go into barrel twist in the rifle article, but if buying an AR try to get a 1:8 twist barrel. Failing that, the 1:7 twist is best for all around defensive use.
The two accessories I highly recommending adding to any fighting rifle are a sling and an optic. For slings, 2 point slings are better for moving, but 1 point slings are better for fighting. Magpul makes a convertible unit called the MS3 sling that I like very much, or you could make your own like mine but it will probably be better just to buy one pre-made. If you want to stay cheap and simple just go with a 2 point sling. For optics, this largely depends on your local environment, but it is hard to go wrong with simple red dot. For a good cheap red dot look no farther than the Bushnell TRS-25. I have 2 of these and they have never let me down. They can put up with the recoil of my VEPR 12 which had broken the other 2 red dots I tried on it within minutes, so you can be sure they will work. I wouldn’t go scuba diving with it or run it over with a train, but for normal use it should hold. I would also recommend iron sights as a backup. This may sound redundant but a lot of less expensive ARs do not come with any sights at all so you have to buy them. Remember, you want to keep this setup inexpensive in case it gets stolen from your car or wrecked in a crash, or you have to throw it in a lake for some reason. Now all you need are magazines and ammo. For my GHB, I used Magpul Pmags. The gen 3 pmags come with snap on dust covers that take the pressure off the feed lips, so you can load them up, snap on the covers, and store them worry free for years. Note that gen 3 pmags don’t fit in the stock mag pouch mentioned earlier, so you’ll need to buy 1 or 2 gen 2 or GI steel mags to fit in the pouch. Finally, ammo. To keep it simple and cheap you’ll want to go down to Walmart or your local gun shop and pick up some m193 made by federal. This is the same stuff the military uses, so it’s nice and strong. It’s also very affordable. How many magazines you carry is up to you. I have 5 30 round mags ready to go in my kit.
The second major part of the bag is the body armor. I may also write a short article about body armor if people are interested, but the general idea is that there are levels of body armor from 2a to 4. The higher the level the more calibers the armor will stop. Everything below level 3 is only rated for handguns, not rifles. The advantage of lower level armor is that it is cheaper and lighter, but soft armor will not only not stop rifles; if you do get hit with a handgun, even if it doesn’t penetrate, it is going to ring your bell something awful. There’s no point stopping a handgun round if it knocks the wind out of you so badly that the bad guy can just walk up and pop you in the head while you’re rolling around on the ground. Level 3 and 4 armor plates are solid plates, either ceramic or steel. They are much heavier, but they can take multiple rifle hits without failing. Not only that, but because they don’t deform when hit, they won’t transfer the energy of the round into you like a Chuck Norris roundhouse kick, which means you will actually be able to react and either fight back or find cover. The minimum I recommend are level 3 plates. The ones in my kit are level 3+, which is not an industry standard but came up because certain commercially available rifle rounds (hint: I mentioned them back in the last paragraph) can actually penetrate level 3 armor at closer ranges. 3+ are slightly beefier but they can protect against everything not explicitly armor piercing. The company I recommend is AR500 armor. You can get a set of 3+ plates and a carrier for around $300 from them, which is a very reasonable price. Body armor prices have come down drastically in the last 10 years or so to the point that they are truly affordable, so there is no reason not to have a set. For guys, you want a rounded front plate, girls should have a flat front plate. Rear plate can be flat to save money.
Last, but not least, you need a bag to keep everything in. This part is trickier than it sounds. The most important thing is you want a bag that does NOT look like a gun bag. You do not want anyone to think there is anything valuable in the bag. It also should be something that you can transport easily, which means it should have a shoulder strap and/or backpack straps. If you plan on using an AR broken down you will need a minimum of 25 inches in the bag for the upper. If you get something like an AK with a folding stock, you will need about 28 inches, and if you plan on keeping the AR together, you’ll need about 33 inches. At first I bought a bag online with the intention of keeping the AR broken down into two halves and putting it together when needed. The bag I bought turned out to be too small. I was able to fit everything, but it was an extremely tight fit and it wouldn’t zip up completely. Frustrated, I decided to solve the problem the way I normally do: Drive to Wal-Mart and walk around the aisles until I find something that works. And find something I definitely did. I ended up with a 32 inch duffel bag. It’s larger than I originally planned, but it allows me to keep the AR as a whole unit ready to go and it has plenty of room for other things even after I put the gun and plate carrier in the bag. It also has a shoulder strap and backpack straps that tuck into a little pouch when not in use. It kind of looks like a large gym bag or maybe a bag full of laundry, which is exactly what I want people who see it to think. It was also less than 30 bucks. I don’t expect it to be super durable but it should hold up for it’s intended purposes. Remember most of this stuff is only designed to work for a few hours or days tops. None of this is intended to be a long term solution (except maybe the gun itself).
There is one last thing I added to my bag: a cable lock. The purpose of this is twofold. First is to discourage theft in case my car is broken into. I basically lock the gun to the car and thread the cable through the plate carrier. If they tried hard they could get the plates, but the gun isn’t going anywhere without a set of bolt cutters. This is not just for regular smash and grab, though. Depending on how far away from your car you are when something happens, you may not be the first person to get to your bag. The last thing you want is your own gun used against you. If you live in a rural area you can probably skip this, but it does make it a little less likely to be stolen.
Now that we have our kit laid out, let’s do a quick cost estimate so far:
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- Rifle: $500
- Body Armor: $300
- Bag: $30
- Magazines: $50
- Optic, ammo, accessories: $120
- Grand Total: $1000
So there you go, one basic GHB for a grand. Not a bad deal if you ask me. Remember that this is a minimum budget based on my specific needs. If you need a 2 person kit or you have some of the items already purchased, this is going to change the amount you need to spend.
Once you start assembling your kit, you can’t just throw everything in your trunk and forget about it. Test your gun with the magazines you plan on using and the ammo you plan on carrying. Make sure the gun is 100% reliable. Sight in the optic, adjust the sling to your desired length. Wear the plate carrier with the plates in, and make sure it is adjusted and fits well. Clean the gun before you put the kit away, and make sure you take it out every 6 to 12 months and make sure everything is still working. Inspect the gun, mags, ammo, etc. That’s it! You’re now ready to fight the fascist capitalist pigs! I mean smash the patriarchy! Wait, which site am I on again? Oh fuck! Uh, I mean *reads notes* protect yourself from violent antifa mobs and other catastrophic events. There we go. Hopefully you learned something from this article…. aside from the fact that I have crippling paranoia, that is! *Laughter, studio applause, end credits*
*Not Really
Alternate tickle text: “Where we take a rare glimpse into the crippling paranoia gripping the mind of Vhyrus”
Being paranoid doesnt mean people aren’t after you. Paranoia is a kind of fear and fear serves an important function.
This article reminds me of John’s epic pants-shitting over body armor. Good memories.
Without ever reading it I am going to take a wild guess at the argument: Body armor implies intent to be shot at which would only occur during commission of violent felonies, ergo purchasing body armor is de facto premeditated assault/murder/armed robbery/insurrection. Did I get close?
Eerily so
Nope, it started at the basic premise of body armour protecting criminals, negating the utility of firearms, then he went full retard and claimed it was voiding his Second Amendment rights as a result.
Well that’s an…. unusual argument.
Close, but his freakout was weirder than that.
Classic John, complete with insults.
My favourite John argument I ever had was when I got him to say that he thinks living in 19th century America with slavery is preferable to living in modern day America in terms of general freedom…then he freaked out when I said he was fine with slavery. Someone (I think it was Irish, RIP) pointed out “John is the reason why you can say “Republicans want to put you back in chains” and they’ll believe you.”
He’d always talk himself into an untenable position and then, realizing that he cannot reconcile his argument, immediately resort to name calling and accusations of arguing in bad faith.
He’s obviously intelligent, but man does he have some serious insecurities going on.
Yep. The last dumb argument I had with him (shortly before the mass exodus actually) was over Reason bias, specifically he was annoyed that Reason doesn’t spend more time criticizing Islam. That in itself is something that you can argue for, but he turned it into “Reason will criticize and shit all over Christian beliefs and any other religion but not Islam and you’re an SJW if you disagree with me.” The guy will take any reasonable position and crank it to 11 because as soon as you challenge him he goes full amygdala hijack.
For ProL, SugarFree said on here a while ago that he was still above ground but his treatment/medical issues meant he didn’t have the strength for our shenanigans.
Uhhh, Irish is figuratively dead or literally dead?
Figuratively. Irish won’t die until the world is safe for the White Race™.
Then I expect he will live a long time.
Anyone know about Pro Libertate? I thought he had the same cancer that Joe Biden’s son did but I could be mis-remembering.
He lives/lived in Chicago, so death by stray bullet is always in play.
Irish, not ProL. ProL is another FloridaMan, IIRC.
Crap that was supposed to be down below.
How the hell did this one end up here? Was supposed to be under my earlier comment.
^^ that’s pretty stupid, however
That thread was was one of my favorite John moments.
I kept going back to it all day and would post some trolling comment, and John would immediately reply with a wall of text and outrage.
Good times.
Lol. Ok… that doesn’t sound like a half-bad time, at all.
i don’t think that’s exactly right, i think it was that it erases the possibility of a “self-defense” argument.
if you’re arming up for a gunfight, it means you think conflict is imminent but that you still have time to flee. by choosing to wear the stuff it implies that you are willfully ignoring the threat and choosing to engage when there are alternatives not to, thus loading yourself with all sorts of potential liability exposure.
its not so much ‘logical’ as it is a lawyerly argument that presumes that a person will always want to consider the legal consequences rather than the immediate material ones.
sometimes John was making reasonable points…. but his general dickishness + inability to acknowledge equally-valid, alternative forms of reasoning tended to undermine them
That’s an interesting angle, but flawed like a mutha. It’s a bit like saying that wearing a seatbelt demonstrates your intent to drive recklessly.
Also, should I get a rifle with one of those black things that goes up?
I prefer the black things that go down, or out, or sideways, but up is fine too if that’s how you roll. Chef don’t judge.
FDE is the new black.
But how did this make you love Antifa? I don’t get it.
And I don’t know how threading works.
It was my attempt at humor. In all fairness I was hospitalized the day after writing this so I really didn’t get to edit it very well. I actually submitted it while in the hospital so there may be traces of morphine and agonizing pain here and there.
What did you have? Surgery? Or was some object lodged where it shouldn’t have been? Used to hear the funniest shit from this guy that worked the weekend ER duty after getting a nursing degree because, according to him, IT was going to be taken over by the Indian invasion horde.
Without getting too detailed, my small intestine tries to kill me sometimes. It has failed so far, but not for lack of trying.
The SU-16CA doesn’t have the thing that goes up.
In fact, the “CA” means it’s California legal.
I have one somewhere in the safe. It’s meh.
SPLC: Libertarian Hate Group reveals plans to kill peaceful anti-Trump protesters!
You forgot “Extremist”
*1950’s PSA announcer voice* Reminds me of this:
DON’T DATE ROBOTS!
I was more going for this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgA0WdtpFlg
My favorites are the Conelrad alerts.
I use them for our Halloween display.
the Foxhound logo a requirement too?
What a fucking nerd.
Only if a large cardboard box is part of your kit.
“EES THERE SOMEBODY THERE?”
You’ll know what I mean…once you get inside the box.
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Where’s the cyanide pills to avoid capture? Where are the protocols for looting and pillaging the weak in a post-Apocalyptic Darwinian struggle? Where’s the catheters and adult diapers for warriors on the go?
It’s clear to me that you haven’t really thought this through. For shame!
Real men line their jeans with trash bags which lets the shit and piss run out without soiling. Do you even recce bro?
*adjusts always-in catheters*
Up your game bro!
“recce”… that is very…Commonwealth. You ain’t one of them Canadians, is ya?!
*spits on flannel shirt*
/furiously takes notes while planning next Amazon bulk purchase
This one time…while I was working for Best Buy…
But seriously, this old lady was wearing loose pants and she didn’t leave the entryway area while her adult son shopped for a TV. As he’s finishing up in the cashier line, she does this weird…wiggling/squirming thing… And by the time her son gets over to her, there it is… A brown trout right on the ground. Rolled right out of her pants…somehow.
He just looked at us, looked at the turd, looked back at us, “Sorry…” And then they left.
They left??? NOT OK.
I would have scooped it up in a plastic bag and sent it with them. Insisted they take it, in fact.
Yeah. They just left. And there wasn’t one damn thing any of us could do about it.
Let me guess. Some corporate policy to close the store for hazmat?
LOOSE STOOL!
I watched a girl piss her pants all the way from the front bathroom to the produce section at Wal Mart. Young girl, high school/college age. Her friend was filming so I am guessing some kind of fucked up dare. I thought it was mildly humorous if gross. My GF lost her shit though.
“Mildly humorous if gross” sums it up for me, as well.
Did you film your GF losing her shit? Did she also lose it all the way from the front bathroom to the produce section? 😛
Not literally, you goof… that was a different time.
…and just like that I’ve said too much.
Hahaha! Well, when you’ve got to go…
Two comments (neither are arguments, just observations).
1) I’m not quite sold on body armor. It seems like you’re taking a somewhat heavy weight cost for what would be rather extreme circumstances. The chance of you encountering an armed militia seems really low. You’re either going to encounter rock-weilding thugs who are outclassed by your AR, or rogue cops with access to armor piercing rounds.
I’m thinking that I may prefer more food/water over armor in a GHB.
2) what are everyone’s thoughts on a console safe in the car for a pistol? I’m a bit leery about leaving a weapon in the car, even if it’s cable locked to the frame. I’ve had a car broken into before, and it was turned over from top to bottom. Only thing he didn’t take was the loose change.
1) It depends on your environment. I live in a highly populated urban area, which means lots of windows to take pot shots from. Also, unless the police are specifically armed with AP rounds, which is not likely for first responders or even most SWAT units, the 3+ will stop both 855 and 193, which would be the two most likely rifle rounds encountered. You are taking a movement and weight penalty (steel plates like this add about 20-30 pounds, which is a lot) but I am a fat ass to begin with so I am not going anywhere in a hurry. If you’re a waifish little ninja and you live in a less populated environment then by all means ditch the plates for some soft armor (or no armor) and carry more mags or a big first aid kit. I am planning on writing more articles in this vein where we can discuss the particulars in more detail. This was just a general baseline bag to get started.
2) Anything can be defeated if given enough time and the right tools. The cable lock is to defend against both quick smash and grabs that are common in polite society as well as a large unorganized mob that would form should such a destablizing event actually occur. Neither one should have enough time/desire to defeat the lock nor would they generally have bolt cutters or hacksaws needed to get the gun. A locked glovebox would stop probably 90% of most attacks.
I’m not sure about where you are, but most car break-ins around me take the whole car. So leaving anything in it is a bad idea.
I have never had a car stolen but I have had items stolen out of my cars many times. If they take the whole car you’re boned either way but my experience has been more petty theft than GTA. A car is difficult to hide and draws a lot of attention when stolen, but the stereo or laptop out of the backseat is a totally different story.
I knew that my car was vulnerable to being broken into. No tint, a sticky lock on one door (it would stick open at times), and direct access to the trunk from the cabin. As a result, I never kept anything valuable in there. The fool still ran off with my dry cleaning! I hope he had fun with my $25 clearance slacks and button downs.
The sticky lock reminds of another funny quirk of the car. When it got below freezing, something in the latch mechanism of the front passenger door would seize, resulting in the door flying open when I went around a turn. Fun times! Especially when it was cold and snowy!
when I was a teen, I was driving my mom’s old Datsun and rounded a curve on a mountain road — the latch on the hood gave and the hood flew up. I thought I was gonna crash through the barrier and roll off the cliff. But luckily I was able to see enough in the crack beneath it to get to a pullout.
I’m not Vhyrus and have no answers to offer, but 2) reminded me of a funny story. About ten years ago my neighbor’s minivan was stolen from the lot outside of our building. The cops were surprisingly quick in finding it. The officer that called him informed him that it was dumped in a pretty nasty hood about ten blocks away and arranged to meet there. I went with him to recover it. When we got there, we found it in shambles – completely ransacked on the inside and missing the catalytic converter. The thieves took a stack of CDs, the stereo and a relatively new baby seat. Fortunately for my neighbor, they left behind the $800 in cash that his wife forgot to grab when she parked that night. Why did they leave it behind, you ask? It was stashed inside of a book.
OMG SO RACISM CANT EVEN
it would have been even better if the book were “The Bell Curve”
*polite applause*
What about the Creedence?
We didn’t hold out hope for the tape deck. Or the credence.
I know someone who used to smuggle large amounts of cash across international borders by simply leaving it in a crumpled, grease-stained brown paper bag on the dash of his car. He made it through every checkpoint. Never caught.
I have a safe. It’s a good idea. Except if the entire safe gets stolen.
Yeah… if the safe is portable at all, there’s no reason not to take the whole damn thing and crack it open later at the criminal’s leisure.
My armor is pretty light.
Also, in hand to hand, you only really have to protect your head. Wanna punch me in the ribs? Go right ahead.
Go for a good steel lockbox that can be mounted to the car. Those cable locks aren’t very secure. It would be the rare thief that would take the time and have the tools to get in one of those.
2.) I travel a lot with guns, and I really don’t like leaving them in the car. Everyone in the competitive shooting circuit knows someone (usually two or three someones) who’s had their car broken into at the motel.
Kel-Tec is infamous for putting cool concept guns out there – and then not manufacturing them in any volume for a decade or so.
My theory is they make exactly enough for Oleg Volk to photograph with naked models.
Haven’t heard that name in a few years. I met Oleg through a friend and did some shooting with him. Nice guy.
My Dad just bought an RDB. That thing is the tits, but not reliable enough for a bug-out gun IMO.
So how do you like the size of that 3 moa dot Vhyrus? I’ve been looking at this 6 moa. Never owned a red dot but my intuition tells is rather sacrifice some precision for aquisition for short range situations.
http://www.vanceoutdoors.com/products2.cfm/ID/152726/name/vortex-optics-viper-red-dot-(6-moa)
For rifles my general rule of thumb is to use the smallest dot you can see. A smaller dot allows you to aim smaller and occludes less of the target. A big dot would help slightly at close ranges but it destroys your long range abilities, and the difference between a 3 moa and a 6 moa dot below 100 yards is negligible. Where a large dot shines is for a shotgun, because a large dot more closely approximates the shot spread on the target, so if at 5 yards a 6 moa dot covers a fist sized area then that’s the spread you’re going to get. At 25 yards its more like a pie size area, and so on.
Well I was looking to put it on my 870 so sounds like that would work ok. Wasn’t aware the size difference below 100 yards was so small.
My eyes aren’t the best which was another reason I was looking at the 6.
You may also look into a green dot instead of a red one, since green is more easily recognized by the human eye. They are usually more expensive though, failing that there are some low power fixed optics that I have tried that work very nicely.
My buddy has one that you can switch colors on which I thought was cool. His is a 2 moa.
Be careful with some of those because many of them are of dubious quality. I bought a very highly rated 50 dollar red/green dot off of amazon that literally fell apart after 2 magazines on my VEPR 12. The company sent me a replacement which promptly did the same thing. The TRS 25 I mentioned in the article only cost me 10 bucks more but I have taken the gun out on multiple sessions with point of aim movement so far. The cheapest ones I would look at are primary arms or vortex.
I like the TRS-25 as well, but If you’re willing to spend a little more, take a look at the holosun red dots.
They have something that is basically comparable to an aimpoint micro in durability and features, but at a third of the price. It can literally stay on for 5 years on a single CR2032 coin cell.
MOA is an angular measurement and is basically 1″ at 100y. At 25y, 6moa would be 1.5″.
I’d even recommend a 9 moa dot for a shotgun.
Cool. Thanks.
This is just me, but, ignoring price, I’d want a bullpup shotgun and open tritium or the day-glo sights. Buckshot, possibly with a slug chambered.
The main purpose of the bug-out is to break contact and leave the area. Not to stay and fight.
The dot sites need batteries which is a potential fail spot.
Also, I’d forego the armor for more ammo. The real fall back of a scattergun is range and weight of more ammo.
I wouldn’t want to shoot at anything at a distance in this situation, and a bandolier would be sexy.
Part 2 will explore that further, but there are guns that are exactly what you want, and not terribly expensive either. The red dot takes a CR3032 battery, about the size of a quarter. I have a spare one inside my pistol grip, and I also have back up sights in case the red dot shits the bed.
All the bulpup shotguns are fun. All are a bitch to keep fed.
I have an Eotech XPS2. I can”t even remember why now.
I’m married with kids. I don’t have hobbies anymore.
This sure beats reading Chapman.
Damning by faint praise
There’s Trotskyites and British left-wing magazines I’d rather read over Chapman. His ideology is actually the least worst thing about him, his poor writing, sycophancy, and hypocrisy far outshine it.
Chapman is just derivative Krugman. Not long after the TARP bailout he wrote an article, which The Other Site published, saying that the problem with the economy was that interest rates were not artificially low enough and that the government didn’t hemorrhage enough money into the economy. He called for “cheap money”. Good times.
I just picked up a Kel Tec Sub 2000 in 9mm. It can fold and fit in a briefcase with no issues and can be easily stored in a car. Has never jammed even with light reloads. Only major improvement needed was a red dot to replace the peep sights. 30 in a mag with no issues.
In my next installment I am going to go over guns like that in terms of differences in power and ability.
I like it better than an AR for this purpose because it is offers better protection than a pistol, but is much easier concealed. Everything is a trade off.
What hardpoint did you cable lock to? I have no trunk, so it might go by the spare.
By the way, great summary and instructions. We have such a variety of life experiences and competencies on this site.
In my current car there are welded tie down d rings in the trunk that I hooked to. Worst case scenario you may have to drill a hole and install your own eye ring.
I forgot about those. Thanks
I just came here to post about the Sub2k. In .40 cal it has more than enough power to take down the threats one is likely to encounter in the above situations.
I almost bought one instead of building my AR, but I wanted 300 blackout so that’w where I ended up. Plus, it is a closet gun for home protection, so the folding part didn’t really matter at that point
I have an imi .45 uzi that’s pretty sweet.
It must be nice to live in a free state. Someday…
I am actually going to go over guns that are legal in in the commie states that will work in a kit like this. There may be issues with storing one in your car, however if you store it unloaded and locked inoperable it will most likely be legal in most places.
Except in New Jersey, where thinking about your gun while driving carries an automatic two year prison sentence.
Leaving any gun in a car here in NJ is strictly Verboten.
I am allowed to have guns in the car (locked in their cases) on the way to the range and on the way home. Stopping to fuel my car is actually a grey area – not kidding.
Oh fuck, JOIZEY?! sorry buddy you’re on your own. I suggest keeping empty beer bottles and a container of gasoline. You could at least make some molotovs.
Why not take a hint from the morning discussion about pop moletovs in Venezuela, and go with those?
It’s Jersey. Throwing shit would probably make the place smell better.
Gasoline? No poopatov cocktails?
Condolences.
Although IANAL, NJS 2C:39-5c allows unloaded possession of rifles and shotguns with the FID card only. The police won’t know this, expect to need a lawyer, but always bring your FID, and let them argue the exact text of the statue. (remember Nappen defended a person for having a 30+ round mag that only fit a full auto machine gun, and won an argument that the 15 round limit was only for magazines that fit semi automatic firearms).
The travel exemption NJS 2C:39-6g is an exemption to 2C:39-5. If 2C:39-5 isn’t violated, then you don’t need its exemption.
Follow the Logic from 2C:39-5b for handguns… allowed with a permit to carry (Unobtainum for us).
The same phrasing is in 5c. If 5b allows handgun possession with the permit, 5c allows unloaded long gun possession. Remember law is a negative… things need to be forbidden.. 5c does not forbid it if you have the FID.
and yes the grey area “reasonably necessary”… rather like reasonable suspicion, or unreasonable searches.
It’s not so much the law as it is the police will throw you in jail if you have a gun, legally or not.
I like 7″ twist for general use ARs over anything else for 22 cal because if you want to shoot heavier bullets than 68gr or so, you won’t have any stability issues. Some heavier bullets might night stabilize in an 8″, especially in low altitudes and/or cold weather.
You are forgetting the advantages of a high velocity, slightly destabilized bullet.
There aren’t any advantages of an unstable bullet. This is an urban myth that really needs to be put to bed.
1-8 will stabilize anything that fits into a standard AR magazine, from 40 to 80 grain, with 62-77 being optimal, which is exactly the sweet spot for good high end 5.56 ammo. 1-8 will let you shoot any ammo you can grab off the shelf at walmart or any other retailer along with the really good match grade ammo and any military bulk stuff, which is why I recommend it.
Yeah, I’m surprised you recommended 55gr m193 ammo for this purpose. If you have the 1:7 (or even 1:8) twist rifle, why not keep ammo that can take advantage of that? Filling your 5 pmags with higher quality rounds shouldn’t be a huge deal?
Or at least have one magazine with some 62gr green tip, and maybe another filled with some 75gr (or higher) ballistic tip stuff?
It’ll all work fine in a pinch, but you have options depending on what you’re facing.
m193 has some unique characteristics. First, it is extremely cheap and easy to get. They literally sell it at walmart. Secondly, m193 will penetrate the average level III plate, something that 855 or any of the match grade stuff will not do. While this is most likely a moot point, any advantage is a good advantage and the ability to nullify the most common plate armor available is one hell of an advantage. It may not stabilize perfectly out of a 1-8, but when you’re in combat the difference between 1 moa and 2 moa is splitting hairs.
I believe both M193 and M855 are made for the US armed forces, and that M855 is designed with a steel core to penetrate light armor and cover, while M193 is meant to be more effective against soft targets. Civilian versions are typically called “XM” 193 and 855 respectively, but manufactured to the same specifications.
At short ranges you’ll probably be equally accurate with either, but when shooting through cover you probably have a better chance with XM855. It’s better stabilized by your 1:7 twist rate, and won’t fragment or change direction as easily when hitting something other than your intended target.
This can obviously also be a liability as well, so why not have both on hand?
full disclosure, I am actually carrying both in my kit, but level III armor will absolutely stop 855 and absolutely will not stop m193.
m855:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2TBoP9Aoow
m193:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMYkEMhPsO8
Advice should be “do more squats”.
This to if you can’t carry the gear.
No mention of socks? Always have an extra pair of socks on hand.
And don’t forget a towel.
It’s the end of the world and you’re worried about fapping?
Well, how do *you* plan to de-stress in a post-apocalyptic scenario?
Ultra-violence.
I’m actually serious. Sweaty socks leads to blisters. Blisters make you hobble home slowly. Hobbling makes you an easy target.
its Grunt 101 yo.
As someone who did a lot of marching in my misspent youth, I concur: having a stash of clean and dry socks is definitely undervalued by people who have never had to hoof it significant distances.
I went hiking without socks on my last vacation. My heels started bleeding at the halfway point.
It was not pleasant.
Robert Pershing Wadlow, the tallest man to ever live, died from a septic blister on his foot caused by an ill-fitting brace. True story.
Don’t forget your foot powder! That shit can cure anything short of cancer.
And in fact apparently causes cancer.
Tavor. That is all.
I want one of those so badly. So what if it has a shitty trigger? It. Is. Awesome.
Unfortunately, it’s expensive as hell and I already have a safe full of guns.
Solution– buy another safe.
Someday, when we’re well and truly settled down forever, I plan to buy a big safe for an even more ridiculous arsenal. I also plan to buy a dozen or more cheap shitty milsurp guns and a pallet of ammo. When SHTF I’ll be able to arm an entire militia out of my closet.
I’ll be the post-apocalyptic ancap Oprah.
“You get a mosin, and you get a mosin, and you get a mosin…”
Oooh oooh!! me! Me!
I remember a couple years back there was joint selling surplus nuggets by the crate. Something like 700 bucks for 30 of em. In hindsight, I should have bought one.
I have 2. They do not have shitty triggers. It’s all damned anti Israeli propaganda!
I’m with Vhyrus. The trigger may be a bit heavy, but I actually like it. Besides, in a close quarters combat situation (exactly what the Tavor was designed for) a little heavier trigger is better than a 2 pound precision hunting trigger.
The X95 has a hugely improved trigger over the older SAR, but even that isn’t too bad. Just really heavy.
The SAR has a trigger guard you can stick your arm through, and is not designed to be a long range precision instrument. Having a long and heavy trigger pull is almost like a safety feature.
The old SAR has an extra spring you can remove that halves the trigger weight. I did it to mine and it’s very nice now. The x95 is still better though.
I wish I could buy an L85A2.
my $2000 GHB would include an AR pistol in 458 SOCOM if it didn’t make my ears bleed and feel like having gone 8 seconds with Aventador just to look at it.
https://www.radicalfirearms.com/product-p/frp10.5-458soc-9fhr-sb15.htm
I read that shooting one of those is like getting punched in the shoulder repeatedly. I have actually heard about people breaking their collapsible AR stocks from the recoil.
It builds character.
You misspelled ‘scar tissue’.
Basically a .45-70 short. Big ass projectile moving slowly. Great for close quarters and blasting through obstacles; designed with shooting through car doors in mind. Expensive ammo and lots of recoil. Fun gun to shoot with a decent amount of recoil for a short action rifle but IMO way to specialized for a SHTF scenario.
I have this one in 45 70. A ton of fun to shoot (although damn expensive ammo). It packs a punch and a half and if you happen to go through Alaskan bush it will take down a grizzly at short or medium range.
https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/mobile/product/41185/redirect
I have no real use for one, but I’d buy a 45-70 rifle if I had some money to burn.
I have that exact gun but in the longer barrel length. You’re absolutely right that it’s the perfect North American guide gun, particularly in Grizzly country. That thing will put hair on your chest with the recoil.
Check out http://www.garrettcartridges.com/ . They sell Magnum ammo that they claim is good for dangerous African game, though I’m not sure I’d trust it over a .458 Win Mag.
No love for the SCAR H?
Yay… a 308 for a CARS worth of money…
Find a lighter and more user friendly battle rifle with similar reliability which also costs less. If you’re looking at .458 ought to consider a 7.62 platform as well.
AR-10
*Mic Drop*
I said lighter and more reliable, not heavier and less reliable. Although, I suppose if we’re talking “similar” there is a case to be had. Outright MBTF though the SCAR wins that.
This isn’t to say that the AR-10 is a bad platform, but it is objectively worse by all metrics (excepting cost) in comparison to the SCAR H. My point is simply that for someone like Raston who is considering using a compromise platform for the marginal improvements over other cartridges that 458 offers, cost is not a critical metric. It is therefore reasonable to provide comparison with better platforms using traditional cartridges that deliver similar energy as a 458.
SCAR H: 7.9 pounds
S&W M&P 10: 7.75 pounds
You just paid 2 thousand dollars to gain a quarter pound. Congratulations.
As far as reliability, I would not argue that an AR 10 is significantly or even noticeably less reliable than a SCAR. I have an AR 10 and I can count on one hand the number of failures I have had with it.
No, I paid that to lose the buffer tube and charging handle while gaining a short throw piston and a pencil thin barrel I can swap without having to buy a new upper. Also, according to S&W’s data it weighs 8.1 lbs. I presume that’s unloaded but who knows.
This page says 7.71
https://snwcdnprod.azureedge.net/sites/default/files/spec-sheets/311308%20-%20Model%20M%26P10.pdf
Your original argument was lighter, more user friendly, and cheaper. Aside from the charging handle, The M&P 10 meets or exceeds the SCAR in all those categories. If you’re going to move the goal posts and start talking about piston over DI, folding stocks, or quick change barrels then yes the SCAR would win, but I could literally buy 3 different ARs for the same price as 1 SCAR, or 1 AR and 3 or 4 different uppers. I will agree that the SCAR is a better gun but it is not 3 times better by any standard.
On this point I wholeheartedly agree. The SCAR is a marginal improvement that is not justified by its cost in almost all instances. I’d say it’s maybe a 0.45x improvement. Setting aside lightness as the sources are in conflict, I still say the SCAR is more user friendly. Come out with me next time around and I’ll try and convince you!
Hell while I’m at it the new Galil in the 308 looks delicious and it’s half the price.
Good job Vhyrus. I think for a non gun enthusiast a bolt action or other single shot type might work too. Much cheaper too.
I’ll go over this in the next article but I would recommend against a bolt action in favor of a lever or pump action. Much faster and simpler to operate.
But I love my Ruger gunsite scout. It’s my favorite gun out of everything I own. I know people love to shit on long eye relief scopes, but I love how that gun handles and shoots.
I’ve wanted one of those for the longest time…
Huh. What timing. Got an email today from Grey Ghost Gear about their Apparition SBR bags. Might have to pull the trigger for one now.
Anyone up for some contrariness?
If I’m on foot in an area of general civil unrest, and I need to get myself home (or somewhere safe, whatever), a rifle is the last thing I want. Any kind of shoulder weapon is gonna mark me as a target, both for the cops and the private-sector assholes. That’s a fight that I don’t want to take on solo.
Rifles are useful for defending a static post, maybe for patrolling the local area in the absence of law enforcement. But for avoiding civil disturbance on my way home, my go-bag is going to contain body armor, spare magazines for my carry pistol, medical gear, and did someone mention dry socks?
A fair point, but a) you can hide the gat in your bag if appearing armed is not in your best interest, and b) having a rifle will generally make people think twice about engaging you, lest you leave them with more holes than they woke up with that morning.
I doubt that B would work against the cops.
It probably also won’t work with the more hardcore freelance thugs, either. They’re gonna see your rifle, and think, “I want that.”
I’d rather stay discreet, right up until I have to do some shooting.
B would not work against police most of the time, which is why there is option A. Some thugs may decide they want your rifle, but if that is the case then either they already have rifles which would mean they don’t really need yours that badly, or they don’t have rifles and you outgun them. In either case making their life hard when they challenge you should hopefully make them realize they lack either the will or the ability to take your shit. If nothing else you should be able to put heads down and GTFO before they can get too serious.
This whole thing is a lot of armchair strategy and it would be difficult if not impossible to stay that one thing would work perfectly every time, but my general philosophy is to have it and not need it than need it and not have it. At the very very worst you could throw the rifle and run in the opposite direction and they will probably take the bait.
True, true. There’s certainly nothing wrong with having a rifle on hand – I usually have an AR in the car when I’m traveling. I just probably wouldn’t take it with me if I had to bail out on foot for some reason.
The ‘gray-man’ approach is a good one. However one thing you miss out on is that a shoulder mounted weapon will be more accurate, and more powerful than any handgun (short of a Freedom Arms, maybe) at city-street distances. If you’re going to avoid close quarters, and nobody will suggest you go house to house hunting antifa, you don’t even lose that much maneverability. There’s a reason the Army’s standard issue is the M4, right?
The truly contrarian approach I think, is to split the difference.
https://fnamerica.com/products/rifles/fn-ps90-standard/
Of course, you may have to sell an orphan to afford ammo and without a giggle-switch it loses a lot if its effectiveness.