Belly Up to the Bar: Diet Buster Edition

White Russian Milk Shake

(it brings all the boys to the yard, and then gets them white-girl wasted)

All right so I’m sure we’ve all seen the Big Lebowski and are familiar with a classic White Russian*:

  • 1 part coffee liqueur (we all know it’s Kahlúa)
  • 2 parts vodka
  • 1 part heavy cream (variants include half-and-half or whole milk for those watching fat intake…hopefully that doesn’t include any of you)

My school newpsaper editorial staff used to get hammered on these the night before copy was due. Someone would bring in a handle of vodka and a gallon of whole milk and we’d shoot for the Ballmer Peak, and aggressively miss.

As time passed, I realized that a great opportunity was being missed for maximal fat-assery and I set out to combine the deleterious effects of both alcohol and ice cream in (probably not) new and (definitely) exciting ways.

You will need a decent blender, milkshake/malt mixer or food processor for this to work.

Put your Kahlúa coffee liqueur and vodka in the freezer, buy a vanilla ice cream made from a custard base (eggs should be an ingredient). You want it to be a rich, dense ice cream, but not as rich and dense as Häagen-Dazs. I’ve experimented here so you don’t have to, the frozen vodka keeps the densest ice creams so solid they don’t blend, but isn’t able to keep the cheaper air-beaten stuff–like Dryers/Bryers or heaven forefend a 5 quart pail of generic–thick. I’d recommend Double Rainbow or Trader Joe’s house brand (potentially the same thing).

Exact proportions are for suckers here. Put as much ice cream as you want in your blender, add as much coffee liqueur as you prefer and turn the thing on. Add in enough vodka to achieve a Frostee consistency (with a high fat ice cream and very cold vodka it’s more than you’d expect) and serve.

Start or restart your diet the next day.

*jesse.in.mb. would like to extend his sincerest apologies to those triggered by the terms “White,” “Russian,” or “classic” in any combination, as well as those who are lactose or A2 protein intolerant, alcohol intolerant, alcoholics, diabetics, fattasses,  averse to coffee and alcohol in the same place at the same time, or averse to dairy and alcohol in the same place at the same time.

 

Derpetologist’s Spot the Not – Bands with Wacky Names

1. The The

2. Full Throttle Aristotle

3. Barney Rubble and the Cunt Stubble

4. Satanic Clown Orgy

5. Hitler Stole My Potato

6. Gee That’s A Large Beetle I Wonder If It’s Poisonous

7. Iron Prostate

8. Jehovah’s Witness Protection Program

 

Comments

217 responses to “Belly Up to the Bar: Diet Buster Edition”

  1. Florida Man

    Perfect timing. Boys night is coming up and I suggested watch the Big Lebowski and drinking White Russians.

    1. jesse.in.mb

      Fair warning: bathsaltz change the freezing temp for ice cream.

      1. Hyperion

        What is the deal with bath salts? I remember hearing about that and later discovered that my wife has an entire cabinet full of them in her bathroom. All sorts of different flavors like lavender, jasmine, milk and honey… Man, do NOT snort that shit! It burns like fuck and will not get a fly high!

        1. jesse.in.mb

          But they will make you eat someone’s face.

          The contention (bear in mind most of it was news stations trying to whip up a story where one likely was not) was that bath salts (and earlier plant food) were drugs being sold as other things because they looked similar enough to be shipped as such. A bit like how poppers (alkyl nitrites) are sold as leather or VHS head cleaners for plausible deniability.

          1. DenverJ

            VHS? What new technology is this?

      2. Florida Man

        NOW you tell me!

    2. Hyperion

      I fondly remember White Russians. I remember getting smashed on those a few times.

  2. Florida Man

    I’ll go with 5 as the not.

  3. DEG

    I’ll go with 6 as the Not.

  4. Homple

    “White” and “Russians”. How unwoke.

    1. jesse.in.mb

      I APOLOGIZED, sheesh.

    2. DOOMco

      “Heavy”- fatshaming
      “Coffee”- Caffeine allergies are real!!

  5. BakedPenguin

    Sad fact: I had a couple of Anvil (drummer pic in lowest picture) album in my collection as a kid. Metal on metal

    1. BakedPenguin

      Though, in my defense, that’s a cool album cover – especially for the 80’s.

      1. “Cool”? More like brutal! (For the 80s)

    2. Is “metal on metal” anything like “blue painted in blue”?

    3. Viking1865

      If you have not seen the documentary, I recommend it.

    4. peachy rex

      “Metal on metal” violates the rule of tincture. For shame, sir, for shame!

  6. DOOMco

    1 or 6
    *flips coin*
    6 it is.

    1. Gustave Lytton

      It’s not 1. Classic New Wave group. One of their song was used for an M&M’s commercial.

      *checks date*

      10 fing years ago and that was a revival then! Pass me another drink.

      1. DOOMco

        *tosses beer*

      2. I remember looking The The up about 10 years ago. Their website had a countdown timer to when George W. Bush would be leaving the White House.

        What a bunch of wankers.

        1. Festus

          Yeah but that ONE song they did was kind of a masterpiece.

  7. R C Dean

    Exact proportions are for suckers

    *faints*

    1. DOOMco

      we call that power napping, and I took one last Sunday.

  8. quincy

    6

  9. DOOMco

    On a musical note, I think this might make for a decent song in the glibertariat.
    hm, that word looks wrong.

    1. Heroic Mulatto

      I’ve never hated Millennials more than I do now.

      1. DOOMco

        good, it’s working.

      2. John Titor

        To be fair, if the older generations don’t hate us, are we really doing our job?

        1. But Enough About Me

          I don’t hate you, my son.

    2. Hyperion

      I don’t think I’ve ever said this before, but I for some reason approve of the government killing everyone in that video.

      1. DOOMco

        The party does look terrible. You think anyone knows how to sharpen a chainsaw there?

        1. Festus

          No, they take it to a shop and pay some maroon twenty bucks to do it for them, run on home and promptly try to cut a rock with it. The Maroon comes out better every time in this scenario.

        2. Lachowsky

          I’ll admit to this. I was raised on a farm. I live on my own small farm now. Professionally, I am an industrial electrician. I can weld. I work on all my own equipment. I have a wood shop and do some decent amature woodworking. I know how to fix damn near anything, from farm equipment to industrial machines and I can’t sharpen a chainsaw properly to save my life. I pay my neighbor to sharpen my chains about once a year, right before firewood cutting season.

          1. DOOMco

            I was that “neighbor”, to my dad. It took me a bit, but I got the hang of it.
            I’m only starting to learn to weld. The old car is helping a ton.

    3. westernsloper

      What the hell is the matter with you? That was totally unnecessary.

      1. DOOMco

        HA!
        I’m enjoying this far too much.
        eventually though, no one will click my links.
        some of my stuff is good.

    4. Gilmore

      Why are their teeth green?

      1. DOOMco

        kale?

    5. “decent”?

      Yeah, I think we’re all indecent here.

    6. Gilmore

      If people need to wash that experience out of their brain, try this

    7. Akira

      I think this is a better glibertarian theme song:

      https://youtu.be/QHYwprmWMfY?t=34

      1. DOOMco

        X10

    8. Festus

      Is it wrong-think to want to lick that chick’s armpits? She’s kinda chubby but…

  10. Coffee, booze, and ice cream? What’s not to like?

    1. jesse.in.mb

      Fitting into your pants the next day?

      1. There’s no accounting for sudden pant-shrinkage, it’s a mystery of the universe.

        1. Joke’s on you! I don’t even wear pants!

          1. Scottish, eh?

        2. Gustave Lytton

          Try turning the dryer heat down on your cottons.

      2. DOOMco

        what if it’s the only thing making them fit??

      3. Suthenboy

        If done properly you don’t need to fit in your pants

    2. Heroic Mulatto

      Coffee, booze, and ice cream? What’s not to like?

      As if you needed more proof that Riven is a holographic danceroid.

      Her comments are merely the result of an algorithm, people.

      1. I want that skirt, and I wouldn’t wear leggings with it.

        1. Heroic Mulatto

          You’ll wear what you’re programmed to.

          1. Yes, sir!

          2. Heroic Mulatto

            Riven 2.0

          3. Needs fewer clothes. Lol

          4. I thought Riven was Myst 2.0.

        2. But Enough About Me

          Hmmmm, I dunno — the leggings kinda make it for me . . .

  11. Hyperion

    I’m not really liking this Johnny Walker’s Black Label so much. The Chivas Regal I had recently was a lot better, imho. This stuff is a little rough. Oh well, maybe I shouldn’t have considered $$. I need to see if I can trade a case of this stuff for some really good Rum, the Brazilians seem to love it for whatever reason.

    1. I’ve tried all the way up to Johnny Walker blue and the only one that was palatable was the green label to me. Sadly, moar money doesn’t always mean moar/better flavor

      1. Hyperion

        Yeah, I won’t buy again. I need some advice on some scotch that is not more than $50 and is at least as good as Chivas. I could have bought some bourban for $35 or less that’s smoother than this. I’m a novice with whiskey.

        1. Florida Man

          Find bar that does scotch flights. That way you can try four or eight side by side.

          1. This is excellent advice. Whiskey and scotch flights are probably the most economical way to try new brands and labels.

        2. I’m Here To Help

          If you are looking for a good, mellow scotch that isn’t too smokey, go with Dalwhinnie. If you like a bit more peppery and smokey, I really like the Talisker Distiller’s edition (don’t go with the regular Talisker – it is very medicinal). If you are willing to spend more, the 18 year old Oban is wonderful – “smooth as the sweat down an angel’s thigh” according to my wife…

          1. Hyperion

            Thanks!

          2. I’m glad I’m not the only person who’s had a “medicinal” experience with scotch.

            I tried one (don’t remember the brand) several weeks back and it had a very mediciney aftertaste that made me wonder why you all rave about scotch/whisk(e)y.

          3. I’m Here To Help

            Some are worse than others. There are some that are very smooth. Others not so much. I’m not a fan of the medicinal ones or the overly smokey/peaty ones. The Dalwhinnie is probably the least medicinal single malt I’ve tried…

          4. RegicidalManiac

            That was my experience with Oban 18 as well.

            So good…

        3. KSuellington

          Dude, go Irish. You can find Redbreast 12 for about 50 bucks. It is immeasurably better than JW Black. Or try Jameson Caskmate for about 28 bucks a bottle.

          1. Hyperion

            Thank you too! I don’t even mind paying $50 for a good bottle of liquor, but if it’s more than that, I need some good endorsement as to why.

          2. Get vodka.

            Hell, I’m cheap enough to buy the bulk stuff for mixed drinks, and I’ve even added a bit of vanilla extract if I want a flavored vodka. Of course, that changes the color of the vodka….

          3. Hyperion

            I love vodka and am well educated in it. For the best vodka at the best price, I would advise Tito’s. I have a lot of vintage vodkas in my cabinet, but for everyday, Tito’s is the best. Also love gin, but whiskey’s, I’m a novice.

        4. Viking1865

          The Scotch I keep on the bar, based entirely on my loveof WEB Griffin’s books, is the Famous Grouse. But I am not really a big Scotch fan.

          I just polished off a plate of scrambled eggs after sitting in my yard with a book and a couple tall strong Dark and Stormys.

          1. R C Dean

            Their Black Grouse is a little smokier, but either works for mixing.

        5. R C Dean

          Dewars’s is a little My First Scotch, but their Scratched Cask has a little more meat on its bones. Worth a try.

        6. RegicidalManiac

          In the ~$50 range, I really like Highland Park 12 year. A bit of brine, a bit of smoke, plenty of malt. Altogether delicious.

          It’s usually a little more than $50 but not more than 5 or 6 bucks.

          1. Hyperion

            Thanks, I will check tomorrow for that at my local store.

    2. Suthenboy

      I did a little reading regarding scotch aficionados. They all said that money does not enter into it. Pick the one you like the best. Somewhere I found a list of top 100. None of the top 10 were pricey.

      Personally I like Bulliet

      1. Florida Man

        I really like Bulliet’s Rye.

        1. westernsloper

          Amen. And thanks to whoever here that first recommended that.

        2. Tacit Rainbow

          Especially good in a Manhattan.

        3. Shpip

          If Bulleit is still farming their rye out to MGP, you can get the exact same stuff cheaper with other labels on it. George Dickel’s rye comes to mind, as does Puckett’s Branch (ABC house brand) or Darby’s (ditto for Total Wine).
          Even for a mass-produced product, it’s pretty good stuff. Typically 95% rye in the mash, bottled at 90 proof.

      2. Hyperion

        Do you have the list? I bought a case of this stuff because my son-in-laws to the far south really like it for some reason and it’s super expensive there. So I’ve been sending down a few bottles at a time. I mean they do get me some good rum whenever I ask. But I mean even the decent 7 year aged rum I can get from there for $20 is better than this.

        1. Suthenboy

          That was a few years ago. I don’t see it now but if you google top scotch you a lot of hits/ lists

          1. Hyperion

            I’ll see if the local store has Bulliet. I was looking this afternoon and they had a lot of scotch and blended and I’m so not knowledgeable that I decided to just pull a bottle of this JW out of my closet and give it a try. Should have bought another bottle of Chivas, that is actually pretty tasty in my opinion.

    1. Tacit Rainbow

      All Ska bands go to hell when they die /Cause we all suck and no one even stops to wonder why

  12. Suthenboy

    Listening to rant by dan bongino. Liberals hate non-elite Americans. Don’t look beyond that for reasons because there aren’t any.

    No shit Dan. Obama told us that non-stop for 8 years.

    1. Suthenboy

      I would add that they also hate the country and the ideas it is founded on

    2. Akira

      “Liberals hate non-elite Americans.”

      But you better believe that “liberals” are absolutely flabbergasted when said non-elite Americans don’t vote for them, and they’ll come up with the wackiest conspiracy theories (move over, Alex Jones) in order to avoid taking a look in the mirror.

  13. Hyperion

    Not sure if this is old news, but I’m one of those weird people for the old world that work all day on weekdays. Apparently, the courts struck down that horrible legislation on required hobbyists with small drones to register then with the FAA. Occasionally they get one wrong. I’m sure it’s an accident when they do.

    1. DOOMco

      I work all day tomorrow. Sunday is up in the air.

      1. Hyperion

        My work isn’t really predictable, but it’s typically around 40 hours. And my clients are pretty cool about that, but there’s no guarantee. I am on emergency call 24/7. Haven’t had an app go down hard in more than 3 years. I get paid by the hour, but I do not like overtime and do not get overtime pay. I’ll still take what i have, no complaints.

        1. Lachowsky

          40 hours. Maybe one of these days. I’ve been doing 50-90 since 2006. One day, I’m gonna quit. When my farm becomes profitable, I’m done with formal employment.

  14. AceDroman

    Derpetologist’s Spot the Not – Bands with Wacky Names

    Surprised to see Anal Cunt left off the list.

    1. coax

      With a side of Bloody Vomit Bukkake.

    2. RegicidalManiac

      One of the best parts of the Penny Arcade podcast was when they mentioned Anal Cunt.

      “Yeah, but you’re opening for Anal Cunt. Where does that put you?”

      1. AceDroman

        I was always more of an Excerementory  Grindfuckers fan

  15. np

    > White Russian Milk Shake
    > 1 part heavy cream (variants include half-and-half or whole milk

    Can we squeeze milk from Russian bride?

  16. Real band names –

    Squirrel Nut Zippers

    Pop Will Eat Itself

    Free Hot Lunch

    The Rock Bottom Remainders

    Pzychobitch

    Tommy Dorsey and his Orchestra

    1. quincy

      Richard Cheese & Lounge Against the Machine

      1. He’s great.

    2. Juvenile Bluster

      I still listen to Squirrel Nut Zippers on occasion.

      Still love this song

    3. Me first and the gimme gimmes.

        1. Festus

          The Four Food Groups Of The Apocalypse. Real band, check out “Crock-pot”. That’s my brother on the guitar.

  17. Best band name:
    Jiggle the Handle

  18. But Enough About Me

    In a similar vein, I give you the CoCo No-no:

    2 parts coconut rum
    2 parts coconut ice cream
    2 parts pineapple juice
    1 part coconut milk
    (optional) 1 part vodka

    Blend together. Serve “boat drink” style with a straw and one of those stupid little umbrellas. Or not.

    I’ve gotten absolutely pasted on these. They go down sooooooooo easily . . .

    1. Weird question. When you say coconut ice cream… Do you mean a coconut-milk based ice cream, or just a regular coconut flavored dairy ice cream?

      1. np

        That’s interesting. I would like to try non-dairy coconut ice cream. I assume it would probably taste like sweetened, cold coconut butter, assuming the ice cream uses only coconut milk and fat (and maybe some pectin or gums as binders)

        1. This is the brand I’ve seen, but I’m not sure what their ingredient list is like.

          1. jesse.in.mb

            This one’s the one we have. Some of the So Delicious products don’t say soy free on them and taste like the garbage you’d expect from a soy based dairy replacement, but the soy free ones are tasty. There’s something slightly missing from the ice cream experience, but it’s worth trying.

            There’s a local place that does small batch ice creams and their coconut base samoas ice cream is bomb diggity.

          2. Oh my gosh… That sounds amazing. Do want the coconut samoa ice cream T_T

      2. But Enough About Me

        Coconut-flavoured ice cream. Never had one made from (or containing significant amounts of) coconut milk. I bet that’d be tasty, if possible.

        1. I vote for Talenti’s coconut gelato, then.

          1. But Enough About Me

            That oughta work!

  19. westernsloper

    *jesse.in.mb. would like to extend his sincerest apologies to those triggered by the terms “White,” “Russian,” or “classic” in any combination, as well as those who are lactose or A2 protein intolerant, alcohol intolerant, alcoholics, diabetics, fattasses, averse to coffee and alcohol in the same place at the same time, or averse to dairy and alcohol in the same place at the same time.

    Are any of those worthy of protected class status?

    The not, guessing 5.

    1. jesse.in.mb

      Just pre-existing conditions I suppose.

  20. AceDroman

    Simple black and tan for me: Bass and Guinness. Washed down with some fine indica.

    1. R C Dean

      A fine plan, Ace.

      1. AceDroman

        The wife and I have since switched to a moderately price bottle of cab sauv. More indica, also broke out the Uno deck and been beating that ass all over the porch.

    2. Lachowsky

      I’m sitting in my carport, listening to arkansas losing to Texas A&M and drinking Busch light. I’m not as fancy as most of these guys.

  21. np

    If Kurt Cobain were resurrected in a post-apocalyptic cybernetic future, this is the song I imagine would be playing as he emerges in his new body.

  22. Gustave Lytton

    GINger ale for me tonight. Early start tomorrow to go to Raleigh. Going to visit Mt. Airy and the Carolinas Aviation Museum on Sunday I think.

    1. Juvenile Bluster

      You’re visiting Mayberry!

      1. Gustave Lytton

        Darn skippy! That’s why I’m going. Too bad Snappy Lunch is closed on Sundays. So is Lexington BBQ.

        1. Juvenile Bluster

          Used to live near there (Greensboro). Andy Griffith is still on TV every afternoon (and my in-laws, who live there, still watch it every day). Love Mt Airy, both as Mayberry and it’s a nice little town anyways.

          Personal BBQ recommendation; Little Richard’s. I *think* the one in Mt Airy is the same thing that’s in Winston-Salem; there are two “Original” locations (in Winston-Salem and in Wallburg) and four locations elsewhere, including in Mt Airy.

          1. Gustave Lytton

            Might have to give it a go. Depends on how soon I get going in the morning to hit Charlotte and have enough time for the museum and N106US (Miracle on the Hudson A320).

  23. Juvenile Bluster

    This is the greatest thing of all time.. They deserve a medal for that.

    1. DOOMco

      holy crap

    2. But Enough About Me

      It’s awesome. And sounds strangely like some of the bollocks I had to read during undergrad.

    3. John Titor

      This is one of the reason’s Shermer’s still in my good books.

      1. AlmightyJB

        I like Shermer even though I find his evolutionary ethics arguments unconvincing. He’s a smart guy though.

    4. From the Internet Wayback Machine

      “Abstract: Anatomical penises may exist, but as pre-operative transgendered women also have anatomical penises, the penis vis-à-vis maleness is an incoherent construct. We argue that the conceptual penis is better understood not as an anatomical organ but as a social construct isomorphic to performative toxic masculinity. Through detailed poststructuralist discursive criticism and the example of climate change, this paper will challenge the prevailing and damaging social trope that penises are best understood as the male sexual organ and reassign it a more fitting role as a type of masculine performance.”

      Perhaps the progs can explain why this is scientifically wrong…without being “transphobic” or “sexist.”

      1. commodious spittoon

        It’s wrong because wrongthinkful people cynically manufactured it to embarrass goodthinkful people. If a goodthinkful person had written it, there’d be nothing to defend.

    5. Here’s their list of editorial staff

      To be clear, they *claim* all these profs are on their staff – I don’t know if this is true.

      1. (click the line that says “Editorial Board”)

    6. westernsloper

      #IFuckingLoveScience

    7. Chafed

      Fantastic! I’m impressed they could produce that much gibberish.

  24. I’m Here To Help

    I have a weakness for boat drinks. My drink of the evening:

    1 part vodka
    1 part coconut rum
    1 part passion fruit liqueur
    Pineapple juice
    splash of maraschino cherry juice

    And yes, I have a small umbrella in it…

  25. Timeloose

    I’m going with 6 for the not. Iron Prostate is a great name.

    Drinking Pimms #1 and ginger beer. It feels like summer today.

    1. Gustave Lytton

      excellent!

  26. Timeloose

    Sitting in the front porch with the wife listening to Hot Freaks by GBV.

  27. Heroic Mulatto

    After years of training in Sendo, I have finally developed my Stand: Cool Cat.

    1. John Titor

      Stand Power: Makes every woman within a six hundred meter radius thicc.

      OH MY GAWD.

    2. Festus

      That’s like flicking water on a cats ass to me. GOOD LORD I don’t like that music.

  28. commodious spittoon

    Now I’m wishing I’d hit up the MVD earlier in the week. I hand-mixed a no-shit short ton of concrete yesterday (25 80lb bags), after backfilling and tamping a three-foot trench. Today I got rid of the rest of the dirt. Nothing like a couple beers for the ache. But this state is Nazi about license enforcement.

  29. trshmnstr

    I’m having a Sam Adams Porch Rocker… not half bad!

  30. Tacit Rainbow

    The Not: Satanic Clown Orgy

    It’s a festival better known as “Gathering of the Juggalos”, not a band.

    1. It’s called the [name of political party I don’t like] National Convention.

      1. Tacit Rainbow
  31. Akira

    “White Russians”

    Are these Russians going to interfere with my erection?

    1. quincy

      Looking through the mail order bride catalog, probably yes.

  32. Slammer

    “Don’t be fatuous, Jesse”

    1. AlmightyJB

      Why not?

  33. AlmightyJB

    I prefer the Russian Qualuude to the White Russian.

    https://www.thespruce.com/russian-qualude-recipes-761158

  34. Shpip

    It’s a New York Sour night for me. Mrs. Shpip is making Shrimp Tchefuncte, which I’ll pair with a zippy Saint-Véran. Enjoy y’all’s weekend.

    1. Gilmore

      You had me up until the red wine part.

      1. Shpip

        So leave it out. I just happened to have a half-glass worth of decent red around, so I New Yawked my standard whiskey sour. Rye works splendidly in these, though I’m using Beam Bonded (a product which, along with Basil Hayden’s and Booker’s, is proof positive that even Beam can make good stuff if you hold a gun to their heads wave dollars at them).

  35. DenverJ

    Long time listener, first time caller. Is it wrong that I find Louise Mensch doable?

    1. AlmightyJB

      Not at all. Would it be worth having to interact with her though?

      1. DenverJ

        Depends on what you mean by “interact”.

        1. Festus

          “Duct-Tape Dream Date”?

  36. Gilmore

    Was this mentioned earlier? It might have been apropos in the previous chinstroking “Do people want liberty” thread =

    Forbes = Libertarianism Needs To Become More Realistic

    h/t = Instapundit, who linked to it with the comment “PISH POSH = I regard myself as a Heinleinian libertarian, a philosophy that, among other things, accepts that most people don’t value liberty as much as I do.” Not sure what that means. I’ve never bothered trying to decode Heinlein’s politics tho i’ve seen him referenced here a few times. I read starship troopers back in the 1990s and, unlike say, Hoffer or Emerson, didn’t leave me with very-deep-libertarian thoughts, fwiw.

    I do not recognize the author, who – according to the blog title – is an economist of some sort, i guess.
    (looks up = “ associate director and senior economist in the West Chester office of Moody’s Analytics“.)

    1. John Titor

      Starship Troopers is not from Heinlein’s libertarian reading phase, it’s from his ‘how do we have a society without a draft and/or one that doesn’t descend into communism?’ phase. It’s more about the role of the military in a ‘liberty oriented’ civilization than anything else.

      1. Viking1865

        Starship Troopers is much more about war and soldiers then it is political philosophy. The only thing it really addresses, and it’s not a new idea, is the idea that voluntary military service as is a good a test for civic virtue as exists.

        It’s an absolutely fantastic book, but I think way too many people muddle Verhoevens’s movie when they think about it, which is annoying.

        1. I think it’s a warning to the environmentalists not to ban insecticides.

    2. DOOMco

      reading now.

      1. Gilmore

        Today’s utopian libertarians imagine smaller government to be a tremendously powerful force that would bring about popular results

        Who are these people, and where are they?

        no, really. Even the Bleeding Heart Libertarians (spits) are pretty crusty and cynical when it comes down to it.

        I’ve hardly met a self-described libertarian in my life that expressed any great optimism about the popularity or overnight success of pro-liberty policies; i think the general case is more “people will probably hate it, but as time passes, greater freedom and more-dynamic wealth generation will create myriad tangible benefits”

        1. DOOMco

          I would say I was very optimistic for a while.
          I think now it’s entirely a moral stance. And I think “chaotic” is the moral choice. I do not care what really comes from a small gov, so long as rights are still respected.

          best guess for an optimist might be julie borowski or Petersen? at least listening to most of their stuff.

    3. SimonD

      It doesn’t surprise me that the author works for Moody’s. It does seem to have a pro-government bias in its work (considering it’s supposed to be mathematical analysis).

      1. Gilmore

        Moodys rates all kinds of debt; corporate, muni, sovereign, GSE, treasury, etc. I don’t think, without knowing what specific area a guy focuses on, you could make any generalizations about any institutional pro-govt bias.

        1. Nice rating company you’ve got there. Shame if something happened to it.

        2. SimonD

          It was a generalization from seeing Moody’s articles over the years. (my degree is in a similar field, so I read their articles regularly). There isn’t anything specific to which I can attest. It just seems that if an analysis of theirs can be used for a political purpose, they tend to favor the pro-government position more often than not.

    4. John Titor

      His entire theory rests effectively on an argumentum ad populum that because the majority of people have not created a libertarian state now, ergo it is not a desirable state at all. There’s at least some merit to recognizing the reality that libertarian ideals are not popular ones at present time in the context of a democratic state, but pretending that an appeal to the masses is some substantial proof of libertarianism’s failure to be ‘realistic’ is not an adequate criticism.

      And this:

      Realistic libertarianism would unabashedly accept limits of markets, and embrace in rhetoric, theory, and practice the first order importance of quality government, which on many margins trumps small government.

      Reveals that he doesn’t seem to get that the fundamental libertarian position is that these governments are not ‘quality government’, regardless of how many people believe them to be the case. He’s effectively arguing we accept the antithesis in order to make libertarianism ‘realistic’.

      1. Gilmore

        pretending that an appeal to the masses is some substantial proof of libertarianism’s failure to be ‘realistic’ is not an adequate criticism.

        yep, that’s basically the same conclusion i came to.

    5. Gilmore

      Having now read his argument….

      I think its pretty shit.

      Its pretty shit even as a conceptual economic exercise. Its shallow and relies on shitty proxies.

      He basically says, =

      “look at how US-states compete for the population = given the relative freedom people have for trading among ‘governments’, if people actually WANTED liberty, they’d choose the most economically liberal, small-govt states that promised the greatest liberty. They dont = ergo, people don’t like liberty, so shut up and take your big Govt”

      he only barely looks at reasons why this proxy might be appropriate or not.

      I think a far better source for data would be something like how consumers behave on the internet, or in other areas where you have far more freedom to choose, and where there’s greater volume of choice and range of choice which would reflect popular feelings towards free-markets and their respective benefits vs. regulated and rationed services. I think the fact that many ‘average people’ dislike the idea of govt stepping in to tax and regulate the internet is a sign that people are more-skeptical of govt interference than he suggests.

      I think you could probably come up with a half-dozen other similar proxies to build a case; the ‘where do people live’ thing is far too tied up in other macroeconomic and cultural factors that make ‘trading’ between states far less liquid.

      1. Viking1865

        “look at how US-states compete for the population = given the relative freedom people have for trading among ‘governments’, if people actually WANTED liberty, they’d choose the most economically liberal, small-govt states that promised the greatest liberty. They dont = ergo, people don’t like liberty, so shut up and take your big Govt”

        They do though. Look at the growth of TX vs the stagnation of CA. Look at FL, full of Yankee .gov retirees leveraging their fat pensions in a low tax, low reg state. Look at how many people in the DC area choose VA over MD. Look at the PA side of Philly versus the NJ side. Pretty much anywhere you have the option of living in a more economically free, low tax state, the population trends in that direction.

        1. Gilmore

          he address most of those things in his piece =

          Libertarians can also point states like Texas that have small governments and are experiencing fast population growth. But it’s useful to look at how small their governments actually are. Texas, along with much of the south, strongly embraces crony capitalism. The Cato Institute ranks Texas 28th for overall freedom. It’s hardly is Randian land of self-sufficiency and small government.

          New Hampshire actually ranks highest for overall freedom according to Cato Institute’s ranking. And population there is growing slower than the U.S. overall despite the “Free State Project”, which tries to convince libertarians to move there.

          Obviously he doesn’t really provide a big data set and do lots of cross referencing movement between-states and intra-state…. i think the issue is more complex than either your or his M.O. for looking at it.

          I think there are probably things to learn in how people relocate within the US, but i’m not sure its actually a fantastic proxy for how open to libertarian ideas the US population is.

          1. Viking1865

            Well I’m not sure that Cato’s ranking is the end all be all of libertarianism. I think when it comes to functionally libertarianish legal climates, Texas is top 10, and arguably top 5.

            Low tax and low regulation crony capitalism is also preferable to heavily taxed and regulated crony capitalism. Sort of a tallest midget kind of thing.

            i’m not sure its actually a fantastic proxy for how open to libertarian ideas the US population is.

            As always with libertarian ideas, 80% of the country has libertarian convictions on some issues. It’s just that only 3% or so of the country is libertarian on everything. 4 out of 5 people love free speech, and 4 out of 5 people love low taxes. But ending the WOD, dismantling the welfare state, circumvallating DC and filling it with water, shooting any slimy bureaucrat that tries to escape? These are not going to be anywhere near majority support.

    6. westernsloper

      Instead, people want quality of life, economic growth, and good government. All three of these can be helped on some margins by utilizing market forces, deregulating, and increasing freedom. Libertarianism should focus on these margins, and accept that the all-too-popular vision of radical freedom and minimal government at all costs is not wanted by enough people to actually matter.

      Good points. People go where work is available. (economic growth) and places that have more people always have more government. I think a person would always choose more freedom over more government if work was available. I might be an idiot though.

      PS I really liked Pie’s thoughts on the subject as well.

      I was pissed off about something I saw in my po-dunk community the other day and looked up their website. I read the “town” charter. It was surprisingly libertarian imho. They are growing the government though and I am not seeing very much population growth to justify it. I might need to start voicing some opinion at meetings.

    7. Some parts of libertarianism might get more popular with better implementation and better marketing. Other parts would be rejected, under current conditions, because they’re unpopular no matter how cleverly and efficiently presented.

      If the author could perhaps go into a bit more detail which utopians he has a problem with, and what specific things could be done to make things more libertarian like he wants, we might have something.

      But saying “be practical” is something anyone can do. You don’t even have to work for Moody’s.

      1. He (or the editor) has a photo of Ron Paul with the caption “not a realistic libertarian.”

        Take that, 2008 Ron Paul campaign!

        Meanwhile, Rand is adopting a somewhat more pragmatic approach, but nothing in the article about if it could work.

        Of course, I don’t know if Rand’s approach will work, but they’re not paying me to say it will or won’t.

  37. quincy

    What’s the proper etiquette when random assholes rape somebody on your property?

    1. trshmnstr

      Shoot, Shovel, Shut Up

      1. trshmnstr

        In all seriousness, call the EMT and ask the cops to tag along to get information from you.

        1. RegicidalManiac

          Exactly this.

          Unless you come across it in progress. In that case, definitely exercise whatever level of force you deem necessary to stop the ongoing grievous harm to life and limb (I’m a big fan of 77 grains of lead at 2700 feet per second for this) and THEN call 911.

    2. RegicidalManiac

      I would think that proper etiquette includes some high velocity lead poisoning for the lucky chaps.

    3. quincy

      I don’t own a gun, and wasn’t there went it happened. Do I send a card? Make a generous donation to her GoFund Me? What?

      1. RegicidalManiac

        One of those conditions is definitely more easily remedied than the other. I know where you can buy a gun, I’m less sure about where to buy a time machine.

        Overall, I’d guess that an offer of a friendly ear and a mug of “warm drink of her choice” would be in order. Maybe make the offer in a card?

        1. quincy

          A strange man chumming up to her is just what she needs.

          1. RegicidalManiac

            Point. Probably still better than no response at all, though the card or a letter in general might be your most reasonable “Sorry that happened on my property, please don’t think I’m coming on to you, let me know if I can help” sort of response.

            Not that I’m rolling in life experience on that front myself.

          2. quincy

            I’m getting a lawyer.

  38. Festus

    White Russians are an excellent bridge between “I was playing Pool with my friends” and “What city is this, again?”

  39. Hyperion

    I love this song. Probably posted it before, but I keep thinking about making a libertarian game and using this as part of the soundtrack.

    I Like to Rock

    1. Festus

      They were BIG in Canada when I was a shaver. One of the first albums that I bought with my own money was the “Live” album. Good’un!

      1. Festus

        Mid-Seventies they used a chromed cannon as a prop during their concerts. “BOOM!” True bit – my roommate used to hang around in Montreal bars and met Miles Goodwin on numerous occasions. Said he was very cool but excitable.

      2. Hyperion

        That song is incredible, and also like ‘she’s a roller’ or whatever. And as far as Canada goes, I’m a huge RUSH fan. Although I did see them with Styx and Styx live made them look like girl scouts.

        1. Festus

          I saw Rush and Van Halen on succesive nights in 1980. I liked the music better at the Rush concert but we had floor seats for Van Halen. I’ll never forget the chick that stood on her chair beside me and got knocked unconscious by a frisbee. It was one of those late 70’s ones that looked like a platter. When we got home we told my buddy’s parents that there were big kids at the show that made us smoke joints and such-what-not! They fed us some sammiches and everyone went to bed.

  40. RegicidalManiac

    Working my way through Return of the King as a continuation from last weekend. Probably going to break out Left Hand’s nitro Scotch ale (“Highlander”) for the charge of the Rohirrim, but until then it’s Hendrick’s and Fever Tree tonic water.

    1. RegicidalManiac

      Dammit, Left Hand’s nitro Scotch ale is called “Braveheart.”

      Dumbass.

    2. I love the way Tolkien wrote a bestselling trilogy with the love story stuck in an appendix.

      1. RegicidalManiac

        That’s the best way to handle a love story in a fantasy epic. Putting it in the meat of the story distracts from the epic nature of the tale.

        1. Hey, who am I to argue with success?

  41. Festus

    Just started pulling garden posts in my yard. Why the fuck did I have to be so anal about bashing them into the ground? They’ve been doing their duty for fifteen years but now I am older and feebler. Fuck 37 year-old Festus, fuck him in his eat-hole.

    1. jesse.in.mb

      Time travel and orifice rape? What a weird combination!

      1. Festus

        Dude, there are thirty of them. The ones that don’t pull out like a recalcistrant molar have to be broken off at the stem. I stapled stucco wire to them, just for fun!

        1. jesse.in.mb

          I’m just saying you’re at the literal heart of the time travel and rape genre here.

          1. Festus

            Sumpin’s better then nothing, I suppose.