Expecting your favorite barbarian sodomite? Not today, ladies! I kicked his happy ass to the curb* and we’re going to be talking about the most American of pastimes: Shooting shit! You need a dose of some good old fashioned testosterone up in this joint, and Vhyrus is filling your prescription weekly. This post was originally going to be part 2 of my get home bag series, but it’s now become the premiere post of Firearm Fridays. So sit down and start reading, and don’t mind that itching under your blouse… that’s just all the hair this gun talk is putting on your chest. This week I have a long, boring post in which I show off my guns and talk about how much of gun nerd I am. I promise future posts will be a bit lighter.
You’ll recall in part 1 we discussed a basic functional layout for a get home bag, of which the primary element is a long gun. For the sake of clarity (if not brevity), I did not go into great detail about the possible choices for a defensive rifle. There are literally hundreds, if not thousands, of different long guns available for purchase on the market. Some of these naturally lend themselves to a combat or defensive role more readily than others, while some are less obvious but have a few benefits that may outweigh their shortcomings in certain situations. We’re now going down the rabbit hole into hardcore ammosexuality to take a look at the various types of guns, their advantages and disadvantages, and what would make a good weapon for your particular case. SVD (that’s Standard Vhyrus Disclaimer, which is cool cause it’s also the name of a sniper rifle) that this is entirely based on my opinion and that I am a moron so you should stop reading and ignore everything I have to say.
I am going to organize these guns by tiers. Tier 1 guns are the absolute most effective in terms of overall capability. They are usually based around a proven military design and many are well known throughout the world. Barring any legal or financial obstacles, this should be the gun you want. Tier 2 guns lack either the firepower or the dexterity of tier 1 weapons, but make up for it in other ways. Tier 2 guns are still extremely effective, just not as much as tier 1. Tier 3 guns are guns that are picked because they are legal or more practical in places tier 1 and 2 guns are not. In this tier are the non self loading firearms. These guns usually have reduced capacity and rate of fire, but are still decent weapons in their own right, and some make up their shortcomings with excellent knockdown power and/or accuracy. Tier 3 guns are definitely compromises, but with training they can be wielded with great success. Tier 4 guns are not recommended except for very limited conditions. These weapons are hunting type rifles or WW1 or 2 era surplus rifles. They are simply too slow, too large, and too heavy to be effective. Mind you, these guns will still put a bullet on target, and they are generally the most accurate of the 4 tiers, but their disadvantages are numerous. Avoid if possible. One final note: I will avoid naming brands as anything other than examples, unless a specific model of gun does something special or noteworthy, in which case I will call it out for consideration.
We will start with the best possible choices, the tier 1 guns. The two most obvious, and by far the most common, are the AR 15 and the AK 47. The AR 15 is the civilian version of the M4 and M16 in use by the US and other various militaries since the 1960s. It is commonly chambered in 5.56×45, also called .223 remington. While 5.56 and .223 are not technically interchangeable, any AR made in the last 15 years will be able to shoot both so you can ignore the distinction. The primary advantages of the AR include light weight, low price, enhanced accuracy, commonly available parts and ammo, excellent ergonomics and extremely modular design. Disadvantages include a difficult cleaning, many small parts during field stripping, and a non folding stock. The AK refers to a number of semi automatic clones of the Russian AK 47 in service throughout the world. It can be found in the armories of just about every banana republic and tin pot dictator from Castro to Kim Jong. AKs are commonly chambered in 7.62×39, henceforth referred to as 7.62S. Advantages of the AK are a robust, simple design, ease of maintenance, available folding stock, and an abundance of inexpensive ammo. Disadvantages include reduced accuracy, higher weight, awkward controls, and a lack of customization. A decent AK is now also slightly more expensive than a base model AR currently.
The main difference between these guns primarily lies in their common calibers. The 5.56 is a very small, fast round. It uses kinetic energy over weight to inflict most of its damage. This gives the AR a very flat trajectory and long range. It also gives the AR one other distinct advantage: it can penetrate all but the highest level body armor using 55 grain M193 rounds, which are commonly available under the Federal ammunition brand. It is the only common semi automatic caliber I am aware of capable of doing this. While this advantage would be highly situational in use, it is still worth considering. The 7.62S round used by the AK is much larger and slower. It has more drop at longer ranges and slightly more recoil. As a result it is not considered useful past 300 yards. It does, however, possess superior wounding capabilities at close range compared to the 5.56. With this in mind, I offer this recommendation: If armor penetration, extreme accuracy, or long range effectiveness are of critical importance to you, the 5.56 is the better caliber. If close range performance is your most important factor, 7.62S is what you want. If you want 7.62S performance in an AR, there are conversions which allow you to shoot it from an AR platform using special magazines, or you can look into 300 blackout, which is specifically designed to feed in an AR platform. This is a bit outside the realm of this article so I will let you do your own research into those options if you are so inclined.
A whole article (hell a whole book) could be written about the various different calibers and options available for the AR platform, so I will add one final note about twist rate and move on. The most common barrel twist rates available for the 5.56 are 1:9, 1:8, and 1:7. This refers to the number of rotations a bullet in the barrel makes while travelling down the barrel. 1:9 means one rotation every 9 inches, 1:8 means one rotation in 8 inches, etc. The tighter the barrel, the heavier a projectile it will adequately stabilize, but a twist rate too high will over spin a lighter bullet and cause poor accuracy. Most military barrels are 1:7, and most higher end ARs are as well, but I actually recommend a 1:8 twist. A 1:7 will allow you to stabilize 70 and even 80 grain projectiles, but most people never shoot anything heavier than 62 grains. A 1:8 will allow you to stabilize everything between 40 and 80 grains, with the sweet spot right around 60 grains. This will allow you to shoot essentially every commercially available load for the AR with at least reasonable accuracy. This matter is still hotly debated, and I encourage you to research more, but I have noticed that many of the newest ARs are coming with 1:8 barrels from the factory so I believe this idea is catching on. A few years ago you would have been hard pressed to find any 1:8 barrels and now they are sold on almost every gun website.
While the AR and AK will give you the best bang for the buck in terms of an affordable lead slinger, there is another class of rifles I feel deserve mentioning, because these offer something a bit extra for those inclined. I am referring to bullpup rifles. A bullpup rifle is a rifle that moves the action behind the trigger, where the stock would be. On most rifles the stock is just a useless piece of wood or plastic to rest your shoulder on, but bullpups actually use that space to house the working components. The result is a gun with a full length barrel that is 20% shorter than a traditional rifle. This makes the bullpups the shortest rifles legally available without an NFA tax stamp. They are usually as short or shorter than an AK with the stock folded, yet they are always ready to go. They excel if you have to get in and out of vehicles or work in cramped hallways and doorways due to their small size. There are some drawbacks, however. Bullpups can be a little ergonomically awkward, requiring some extra training to master. They are generally not ambidextrous, although there are exceptions. They are also not cheap. While a base model AR can be had for as little as $400, the cheapest bullpups start at $1000 and go up past $2000. I am personally a huge proponent of bullpup rifles, and if you have the money I definitely recommend at least swinging by a gun store and checking a few out.
Now let’s discuss tier 2 weapons. These are guns that offer some sort of compromise or trade vs the tier 1 guns. This is a rather large category so I will have to break it into sections. The first set of guns in this tier are what I call the featureless or ranch rifles. These are guns that have the same basic function as an AR or AK but look more like a traditional hunting rifle. The two most common are the Ruger mini 14 and the Kel Tec SU 16 that I mentioned in the first article. Both of these guns shoot the 5.56 cartridge (Ruger also makes a version called the mini 30 that shoots 7.62S). The Ruger takes proprietary magazines while the SU-16 takes AR magazines. The Kel Tec has the added bonus of folding in half. These guns are less intimidating and/or conspicuous than the assault rifles** in tier 1, but they shoot just as fast and hit just as hard. They lack some of the features of the assault rifles, such a pistol grips or muzzle brakes, which means they can skirt some of the more onerous assault weapons bans in the less free states. If you want the most firepower but you live in a ban state, a gun like this is your best option. If you are on a budget you can also look for a SKS. These guns are a cousin of the AK and shoot the same round, but they feed from 10 round internal magazines and can be reloaded with stripper clips. You can usually get them from around $400 – $500. The trade off is that these guns will not have the level of aftermarket accessories and magazines available to them. You may have to pay more to get what you want, if they even offer it at all, and the controls are generally less user friendly on these guns. Some of these guns can also be fairly pricey for what you get, especially the Rugers. Also, if you are picking these to get around assault weapons bans then you are probably limited to 10 round magazines which makes these guns a bit of a weak choice. With so few rounds a larger caliber may be more desirable.
The next set of guns up for discussion are short barreled rifles or SBRs. These are rifles (usually ARs or AKs although there are others available) which have a barrel shorter than 16 inches. These rifles can be extremely light and compact, taking up no more space than a laptop, yet still able to give a high rate of firepower in a controllable package. In theory, these are the best of both worlds: the size of a large pistol, the firepower of a rifle. So why are they not tier 1 guns? Well, for one thing they’re almost illegal. In fact they are illegal in some places. Even where they are not banned by state law, they are heavily regulated by federal law. In order to make or buy one, you must go through a lengthy registration process and pay a $200 tax per gun for the privilege to have one. You have to keep this paperwork with the gun wherever it goes. You cannot allow anyone not authorized to possess it to use it or even have access to it outside of your direct supervision, and you must file paperwork with the ATF if you plan on taking it across state lines. That’s every time you cross state lines, not just once. Oh, and it usually takes 6 to 12 months for the feds to approve your application. In short, it is the definition of a pain in the ass. This alone should make you think twice about going this route.
If you look at an AR SBR (the easiest one to make) you are not even saving any space. Because an AR stock does not fold, even an AR SBR with a 10 inch barrel is going to be roughly the same length as a bullpup, but a bullpup doesn’t come with a suitcase of red tape and you are not compromising your barrel length. Furthermore, because the gun has a short barrel, you are significantly hindering your firepower. In general, the shorter the barrel, the less velocity you produce. Reduced velocity equals reduced power, which means your rifle isn’t hitting like a rifle. In fact it is this reason that I do not recommend using any short barreled AR weapon chambered in 5.56. 5.56 is a very velocity dependent cartridge and using short barrels cuts too much velocity off the round for it to work effectively. There are commercially available rounds that are effective out of a 10 inch barrel but that is beyond the purview of this article so I leave it to you to do your research if you want to go that route. The only SBR I can comfortably recommend is an AK SBR with a folding stock. It is small enough to actually gain significant movement and concealment but still large enough to hit with authority. You are still going to pay out of the ass for it and have a suitcase of paperwork to haul around, and God forbid if the thing gets stolen out of your car.
So, if SBRs are out, what can you do? Well, there is another option. It is called the AK pistol. You see, we have kind of screwed up gun laws in America. If you take an AK and chop the barrel down, that’s a short barreled rifle, but if you chop the barrel down AND take the stock off, that’s a handgun. Makes total sense, doesn’t it? With an AK pistol, you can run a single point sling off the back of the gun and use the sling as a stabilization point, kind of like a reverse stock. This gives you a nice small gun with lots of maneuverability and plenty of power. The downside is that an AK pistol is simply not as stable as a rifle. The stock adds a lot to the accuracy of a gun, and your follow up shots are definitely going to be slower and less consistent. AR pistols also exist but because the problems with AR SBRs extend to AR pistols I would not recommend them either. If you want maximum concealment and maximum firepower, this is the only way to roll.
Or is it? You see, there is a third way. A company called SB Tactical makes something called an arm brace. Here is a picture of it on my AR pistol:
Now, you are probably thinking “Gee Vhyrus, that looks an awful lot like a stock.” Why, yes it does! Despite this, the ATF has ruled that this thing is not a stock and can be placed on any pistol without making it a SBR. I am not going to sugar coat it: this thing is the definition of ‘grey area’. Up until very recently, the ATF publicly stated that if you had one of these on a gun you could not legally touch it to your shoulder or you would be making a short barreled rifle. They backed off of this very shaky and nigh indefensible stance in the last few weeks, but being the arbitrary and capricious motherfuckers that they are, they could change their mind at any moment. Still, as of this writing, there is nothing explicitly forbidding you from equipping a brace to your pistol and using it like a short little stock. I have used one of these, and while it is short it is definitely usable, especially if you’re wearing a plate carrier. The only way to really get the most out of it is to put one on a folding stock tube so you can get the smallest possible package, otherwise you might as well just get a bullpup. This adds about $200 – $300 to the price of the gun but you are getting an almost SBR with none of the SBR legal entanglements. The brace comes with it’s own legal baggage though, so you have to weigh the pros and cons. FWIW, if you’re dead set on a SBR I would go with a AK pistol equipped with a brace on a folding tube. You can get a Yugo M92 with the brace and 3 mags for about $650 right now and then you would need to do a little work to add in the folding mechanism.
On the other end of the spectrum are the .308 rifles. These are semi automatic military rifles of usually cold war origin chambered in .308 winchester or 7.62×51 (also called 7.62 NATO). The 308 is a considerably more capable round than 5.56 or 7.62S. It flies farther and hits harder. There are many effective guns chambered in this caliber that make excellent defensive rifles. The AR-10, M14, SCAR, FAL, CETME, HK91, and their derivatives are all available and reliable systems. I would never feel outgunned with one of these in my hands. The drawbacks are primarily related to size and weight. A 308 is simply overkill for most situations. Most people do not need an 800 yard effective range in a defensive rifle, and the additional power is wasted. Recoil is increased significantly over 5.56 or 7.62S. Furthermore, a 308 is going to be larger and heavier than an intermediate caliber rifle, and the ammo is larger and heavier as well which means you won’t carry as much. These guns also have reduced capacity compared to the tier 1 rifles, with magazine capacity typically around 20 rounds. 308 is also twice as expensive as 5.56, and the guns are usually more expensive as well. If you live in a ban state and are limited to 10 round magazines then it would actually make sense to go with 308 since you need all the power you can get to make up for the lack of capacity, but otherwise it’s a lot of unnecessary weight.
The final type of guns in this tier are semi auto 12 gauge shotguns. A shotgun is a very versatile and capable platform, able to shoot many different kinds of ammo to fill various roles and can adapt to many different scenarios quickly. In terms of close range lethality, there is absolutely nothing more powerful than a semi automatic shotgun loaded with buckshot. Each trigger pull sends nine 9mm sized shots at your target, and you could easily empty 10 rounds out of a modern shotgun in less than 3 seconds, making a semi auto shotgun as powerful as a full auto mp5. Using slugs, a shotgun can make hits at 100 and even 200 yards with practice. Ammo is plentiful and readily available, and can be changed at will to suit your particular needs. Sounds like an excellent platform, so what are the drawbacks? There is a reason the shotgun is a niche weapons in all modern militaries. Shotguns are large and heavy, for one. Secondly, ammo capacity is severely limited. The average tube fed shotgun has a maximum capacity of about 9 rounds, and even magazine fed shotguns usually top out at 10 unless you use heavy and expensive drums. Recoil is punishing, especially with slugs. Reliability can be hit and miss with certain loads or models. Reloading is slow, especially with tube fed guns. Ammo is large and heavy, which means you will be able to carry less. Accuracy is considerably diminished over rifles, and range is greatly reduced. Groups at 100 yards will be around 6 inches with slugs, and will most likely require some holdover to get on target. Buckshot is essentially useless beyond 50 yards.
Now we get into tier 3 guns, which includes pump and lever guns, and pistol caliber carbines. Pistol caliber carbines (henceforth abbreviated at PCCs) are rifles that shoot handgun rounds. 9mm is the most common, but you can get PCCs in just about every popular autoloading caliber, including 40, 45, and 10mm. PCCs can use either proprietary magazines or feed from commonly available handgun mags. GLOCK mags are the most common. Obviously one immediate advantage is that your rifle and pistol can use the same round and the same magazines interchangeably, which greatly simplifies your loadout. Also PCCs tend to be light with almost zero recoil. The disadvantages of a PCC lie in their ammo. To be blunt, pistol rounds suck. They are low power, have poor penetration, poor ballistics, and poor range. 200 yards is a stretch for a PCC and would require significant hold over. Not only that, but because of our barrel length laws, a PCC is going to be roughly the same size as a full size AR or AK. You aren’t gaining any advantage size wise but you are taking a real firepower hit. These guns are usually subject to the same assault weapons bans that the rifles have, so you aren’t winning on that front either. The only major advantage is magazine commonality, and that is a lot to pay for a relatively minor advantage. Unless you are extremely recoil sensitive I would not go for a PCC as my first choice.
There are two notable exceptions to this that I must mention. Two specific PCCs get a pass into tier 2 due to their design. The first one is the Kel Tec Sub 2000. The Sub 2k is a PCC chambered in 9 or 40 that takes mags from one of several major handgun brands. What makes the S2K unique is that it can fold completely in half without tools and deploy in seconds. This gives you a gun no wider than a standard laptop that can deliver rounds on target and then fold back up into a small backpack. You are still dealing with a PCC so range and firepower are limited, but it’s extremely low weight and folding ability are enough to put it above the rest. If you have to pick a true PCC, pick that one. The second gun that moves up a slot is the FN PS90. The PS90 is the duck billed platypus of the gun world. It is neither a rifle nor PCC but it shares characteristics of both. The centerpiece of the PS90 is the 5.7×28 round. It is designed like a shrunk down 5.56 cartridge, so while technically a handgun round it has similar ballistics to a rifle. It is effective out to around 200 yards with minimal drop. The gun itself is a bullpup design which keeps the size to the minimum allowed by law. What makes it really stand out is that the proprietary magazines can hold 50 rounds, almost double the standard capacity of an AR or AK. The rounds themselves are very small and light which means you can carry more. A standard loadout consists of only 2 or 3 full magazines vs the 4 or 5 needed for an AR. Ammo and mags are somewhat pricey and you aren’t going to find them at your local walmart, but it is definitely one to look into if you have the money.
The other half of the tier 3 guns are lever/pump action firearms. These are manually operated firearms usually fed from a tube under the barrel, although some do use detachable magazines. If you’ve ever seen an old west movie, you have probably seen a lever action. These are chambered in older rimmed calibers like 357, 30-30, 44, 45-70, or 45 LC. They are simple steel guns with wood stocks and basic sights. Some have been modernized and can mount a scope or a red dot. They are very light, simple, and reliable firearms. Their greatest asset is that they are not semi auto so they can get around even the most restrictive firearms laws in the US. Since they are not scary black assault rifles there is a very good chance that most people that would normally get agitated from the sight of a rifle would ignore or discount a simple cowboy gun like a lever action. Make no mistake, though. These are serious guns. They fire fast and hit hard. They have the added bonus of being chambered in revolver calibers, so if you carry a revolver you only need to carry 1 type of ammo for both. A 357 or 44 magnum out of a 16 inch barrel is no joke, and will do a real number on whatever you hit. Range is limited by ballistics but 100 – 200 yard shots should not be too much trouble for most calibers. The downsides are the obviously low rate of fire and low capacity, as well as outdated cartridges. No lever action is going to keep up with a semi auto, and rounds must be hand loaded individually. If you do get a lever action, I strongly recommend getting one with a side loading gate which will greatly decrease your reloading times. Rossi makes a very affordable version in many calibers. If this is the best you are able to get, train hard with it and learn what it can and cannot do. As for shotguns, pump action is much more common than lever action, though both do exist. Manual shotguns have the same drawbacks as semi auto shotguns but a slower fire rate. Their reliability is much better, however. The main advantage to pump shotguns are their low price and accessibility. Many people already have a pump shotgun they can simply put a shorter barrel on, and those that don’t can pick up a simple 12 gauge for as little as $200 brand new. Many police still carry 12 gauge pumps as their long gun, so they definitely have their uses as defensive weapons. If you want simple, reliable, and cheap, you can’t do much better than a 12 gauge.
There is one shotgun I feel I should call out as a cut above the rest feature wise. I don’t feel that it’s good enough to be considered a tier 2 weapon, but if you really want a pump shotgun and money is not an issue, I would recommend looking into the Kel Tec KSG. The KSG is a pump action 12 gauge but it is nothing like any other gun on the market. For one, it is a bullpup, which makes it a very compact and handy weapon. You could easily stash one in a large backpack. Secondly, the KSG had dual feed tubes. Fully loaded it holds 15 rounds. That is double the average shotgun and more than even most magazine fed shotguns. Because it feeds from each tube independently, you could do some really clever things like fill one with slugs and one with buckshot, which would allow you to switch back and forth whenever you like. They are considerably more expensive than a standard pump 12 gauge, coming in around 700, but the added features are worth the extra price.
Finally, we’ve reached the bottom of the barrel, tier 4. These guns are simply not recommended for defensive use. They are fine weapons, but they are simply too outdated or outclassed by more modern guns. I am talking about bolt action and single shot rifles and shotguns. These can be hunting weapons or surplus arms from the world wars. They can also be super expensive precision rifles for shooting the wings off a fly at 1000 yards. They come in literally every known caliber and price range, from $100 all the way up to many thousands of dollars. Most are fed from internal magazines, although some do have detachable box mags. They are simple, reliable, and ballistically they can have impressive numbers, but the downsides are just too great. They are slow to load, slow to reload, have very limited capacity, and are not ambidextrous. If you live in a very rural area where shot placement and extreme accuracy are your only considerations, then a bolt gun may be the ticket, but in a defensive situation it would be extremely rare to justify shooting at someone from hundreds of yards away from ambush, which would be the only place a bolt gun would really work. It simply doesn’t make sense.
That about covers it. This was considerably drier than my last post so hopefully it was at least somewhat educational. This is a huge topic but I tried to give the best possible overview of the situation without going too deep into any particular detail. If you have specific questions or want to call me a moron, comment below.
*Not really. I begged them to let me do this and they felt sorry for me.
**I know they’re not really assault rifles. Just let me trigger some progs for a bit.
Way too much fucking text. Like a giant creampie was dropped on the screen or a bukaki circle jerk all aimed right your eyes.
There are pictures in the second half!
It’s like a giant futanari cock came out of the sky and exploded on me in for like 20 minutes.
I’m taking this as a compliment.
Agile Cyborg?
Way too precise and lacking in poetry for Agile, man.
I really like the idea of trying to explain EVERYTHING in terms of hentai porn.
“How does that taste?”
“like my mouth is being tentacle raped by a demon from the 5th dimension who used to be my gym teacher”
That good, eh?
Too much text?
Are you nuts?
It should have been longer.
Expecting your favorite barbarian sodomite
As long as I’m everyone’s favorite…
Always.
I didn’t know Oglaf wrote for Glibertarians.
I’d be giddy if the writer for Oglaf were part of our crew.
Dear Enki, that would be awesome beyond words…
In that case, just for you, Jesse.
*gets laptop charger*
Have you tried Spreed?
I’ll check it out. I am pretty quick, unless I drink. then I end up rereading the last paragraph a few time.
I don’t use it often unless someone sends me a wall of text article and says it’s absolutely essential reading. If I could drop ebooks in it I’d be delighted.
Cool, might have to try that out.
I know the purpose is speed reading, but I wonder if it’s something that could help for coping with vision loss? I’ve known people who stopped reading as much as they got older due to vision issues. With that technique you could make the font absolutely huge.
I have an AR “pistol lol yea right” in 300 Blackout that I love. Just personal preference towards .30 cal that extends to AKs as well. In fact, I would have rather had an AK if one in the same price range was as good of quality as the AR I built. Prefer the “thump” recoil to the “crack” of the .223.
It’s my birthday and I’m going to start drinking. See you Tuesday, Glibs
Arsenal is having a big sale on AK pistols. Check them out.
Happy birthday!
I need to figure out how to post the pics in the teaser block.
You need to make it a featured image and then set the option to hide featured image in the menu of check boxes on the right
on that, I have an article to submit.
Send it to Riven and Banjos and they’ll weigh it against a feather and throw you to crocodiles if it’s heavier. Luckily doc files have very little mass, so you should be fine.
submit@glibertarians.com if I’m not mistaken.
Submit at glibertarians sounds kinda kinky.
Bow-chicka-WOW-wow
I’ll have to remember that now that the required areas to post pictures appeared for me…
Just try to have CC, public domain or personal usage rights to the images you use. pretty please.
Um. that means available/visible on other sites right? Esp. if linking to those pics?
click-through hot-linking to images in your comments which are hosted on other sites is impolite, but not an infringement. Embedding images in a post that you or we don’t own or don’t have a CC or public domain re-use component could be problematic. Photos you’ve taken yourself are obviously your property. And you can embed Instagram or Twitter pics as long as you’re linking to Instagram or Twitter’s frame object and not the jpg file itself because of their TOS (which I read to make sure of) although there’s no guarantee that the poster didn’t poach an image they shouldn’t have, but if they did it’s IG’s headache and if they remove the image for infringement it’ll just be a dead link here.
Currently the only article for which I know I can provide images would be using the cover art from my books. Since the work for hire agreement with the artist means I own those pieces commercially, I can grant the license to display those images associated with the corresponding piece.
All the previous images I’ve personally provided that have been used were the screenshots for the UnCivil Reviews, which fall under Fair Use for review purposes.
Most of the reading I did on copyright and trademark law was so that I could steer clear of problems in my writing. I believe it’s still applies with regards to images.
I don’t want this site (or me, for that matter) to get into legal trouble.
I petitioned the high council to install a plugin that allows us peasants to post images. You’re welcome.
Are you a peasant any longer? You’ve got your own byline.
[Inside Baseball]
There are tiers of insiders, and only some can post images in comments.
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tl;dr … Save this for another time. I was obsessed with the SVD for a long time, I REALLY wanted one. Last I researched, expect to spend around $5k for an authentic Russian import; is that sound about right?
I had a chance to buy one for less than $800 back around 03. If I had a freaking time machine.
Shoot, in the early 90’s you could buy HKs for less than a hundred bucks, plus shipping. And cases of Czechoslovakian stockpiled ammo basically just for shipping costs. Granted, every tenth round was a misfire, but whada ya gonna do.
Maybe sk? I don’t speak Russian
Last year I shot a local precision rifle match, and one of the shooters was running an SVD. Original PSO-1 scope and everything. He didn’t do very well, but scored a ton of cool points.
I know this one is really long. I promise future ones won’t be. Think of this as a general gun primer for future episodes.
I’m disappointed you didn’t consider any of the Scout rifles for tier 2/3. Those all tend to be available even in the slave states.
If a bolt gun is legal then a lever action is legal and a lever action with a side gate will whoop the shit out of any bolt gun for practical use.
My stripper clips and my removable magazine Ruger scout disagree with you.
I am biased against bolt guns cause I am left handed and they are racist against me. A very small number of relatively expensive and specialized guns might be better on the reload but your split times with the lever are going to be much lower.
Ruger makes the scout in lefty! Agree on the split times, but I think sustained you’re better off having a magazine easier to top off.
Also, we should hit the range this weekend. My old lady is out of town for the holidays.
Im down. Just tell me when.
This is why left handed people should be in camps.
And if we’re going to talk practical… name a lever action that a modern army kept in use after the transition to bolt actions.
That had more to do with the ballistics of the Spitzer bullet that would not work in a lever action due to the tubular magazine. In terms of speed a lever beats a bolt every day of the week. Considering how brutishly overpowered the military cartridges of the early 20th century were you could argue that a lever gun in 30 30 would actually have been superior.
We ditched the levers for the Krag because it is difficult to lie prone and work the lever. Oddly, most people assume a prone position when they are being shot at.
I see no mention of phased plasma rifles, or powered enforcer armor. This article is nonsense!
Oh don’t worry, I got something for your scaly ass.
I don’t know how practical they are, but those Black Aces DT firearm “shotguns” look pretty damn fun to shoot.
I am going to talk about those, probably next week.
Don’t if if it’s something you want to get too far into, but at least a couple sentences on the legal side of its design would be cool for this audience. It’s an interesting case study.
That’s pretty cool Vhyrus, but it’s not RUSSIAN SPACE SHOTGUN cool.
SPOILERS! I plan on doing a space guns episode among others.
It’s not one of these either.
HARP project
I mean don’t real libertarians when they have to shoot someone, shoot them into space?
Oh, shit fuck.
HARP project
Military has been talking about going to something with a little more punch for some time like a 6.8. My SR716 .308 recoil is surprising tame. Much better than you would have from a bolt action. Still need optics for it. Looking at something like this.
http://www.vortexoptics.com/product/vortex-viper-pst-2-5-10×44-riflescope-with-ebr-1-mrad-reticle
I might explore modern military calibers at some point, but it is my understanding (from research not experience) that 6.8 is hot garbage. 6.5 creedmore or grendel on the other hand is a spicy meat a ball.
I honestly don’t know much about the 6.8 but this guy seemed to get some decent performance out of the round.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ammoland.com/2014/07/6-8-remington-spc-round/amp/
My dad gave me a bolt action shotgun. I haven’t shot it because the magazine costs almost as much as the gun is worth and It didn’t come with one.
You could always bobble load it, especially for hunting.
True but the joy of a bolt action is racking it back for another load. I have no idea why that’s so satisfying.
I have a bolt action 410 my dad gave me when I was a kid. It was a great gun for young ones. Still fun to shoot.
Ok, I read it. This is actually quality stuff and I am a moderate level gun nerd.
” It is commonly chambered in 5.56×45, also called .223 remington. While 5.56 and .223 are not technically interchangeable, any AR made in the last 15 years will be able to shoot both so you can ignore the distinction. ”
I appreciate this; while I knew there was a difference between the two, I never really knew how/when the difference really matter. I thought that if it was chambered for 5.56, it was safe to shoot .223, but not necessary vice-versa. That true?
This is true, although it is generally a moot point for modern firearms. 5.56 and .223 have essentially the same dimensions but different pressures. If the gun is marked as 5.56 you can shoot anything through it. If it is marked .223 remington then you can only shoot .223 remington. Some of the import guns screw this up though so check online or with the manufacturer/importer, but in general a modern gun will handle 5.56.
good to know!
I have also heard that. It must be from some tolerance or clearance in the ejector?
That makes me thing of .357. I know you shouldn’t put 357 in a 38, but is that because it won’t fit? or because it will break/blow up?
A properly made .38 will not allow the cylinder to close with a properly sized .357 in it. Notice I said ‘properly’. In other words it is possible in rare instances to get them in there.
The real scary one is 300 Blackout in a 5.56. It will chamber but the gun will explode when you pull the trigger.
fuck, that sounds terrible.
This is why I stay away from wheel guns and wildcats.
It would blow up. Actually have to be careful shooting +P ammo out of older guns. Much older.
“I know you shouldn’t put 357 in a 38, but is that because it won’t fit? or because it will break/blow up?”
It wont fit. The chamber isnt long enough.
That is true. I shoot both from my Colt AR with no issues. There may be instances where a .223 can’t handle a 5.56 so always best to check manufactures instructions. Same deal with 7.62 and .308. my SR716 shoots both but should always check.
Article about the .223 v 5.56
https://www.google.com/amp/s/bearingarms.com/bob-o/2011/02/15/223-remington-vs-556-nato-what-you-dont-know-could-hurt-you/amp/
7.62 vice .308 is only an issue when reloading.
A 7.62 NATO spec brass has thicker walls and therefore a smaller chamber; which means slightly less powder to get the right chamber pressure.
If you’re hand-loading, then you have to load to the different specs.
The external measurements are the same.
Ive heard the same thing with .308 and 7.62 NATO. Something about manufacturing tolerances and chamber pressures, IIRC.
This is a really murky one because most places including wikipedia says they are interchangeable but a guy online did a test and 7.62 NATO brass actually has different internal dimension than .308 brass. My understanding is that it should not matter unless you are a reloader but I haven’t done enough research on that to say with any real confidence.
I think this is the article I’m thinking about (it has been a few years). They’re saying not to use .308 in a 7.62 chambered gun.
Fulton Armory has a similar article.
NATO generally proofs higher than SAMMI. I know my SCAR eats everything but in any battle rifle 308 vs 7.62 won’t make any difference.
5.56 runs at a higher pressure, and has a different neck geometry. Firing .223 in a 5.56 chamber is fine. Firing 5.56 in a .223 chamber may give you issues with failure-to-extract/eject from stuck or sticking cases. It won’t kaboom! the gun, but you can have reliability issues.
.223 barrels are often made more cheaply than 5.56 barrels, and they manage that by performing less quality control. This can produce chambers that are bored using worn tooling, making a chamber even tighter.
Trust the barrel markings and the manufacturer.
5.56 will usually run a few feet per second faster than the same .223 ammunition from the manufacturer.
A more complete description
The 5.56 has thicker, softer brass and develops markedly higher pressure (military brass is a bitch to reload). It is made that way because military chambers are oversized so that the gun will still function with mud and grit in it. Some of the civilian .223 guns had a difficult time handling the higher pressures and the brass would stick in them. I dont recall hearing of any failures to hold pressure but they would gum up and stick pretty bad. Also, shooting the thinner, harder .223 brass in oversized chambers would split and sometimes jam. I think most guns have gravitated towards the middle and so has the .223 brass.
Just to screw with you all some more, I will note the existence of .223 Wylde. To my knowledge there are no cartridges with this designation but it refers to the dimensions of the chamber. The reason you cannot shoot 5.56 from .223 is the case neck is a slightly different length. This plus the aforementioned higher pressures from NATO spec ammo leaves the cartridge partly unsupported resulting in a Glock-like kaboom. 5.56 spec achieves higher velocities due to the pressure difference resulting in a projectile with greater kinetic energy. The .223 round however, has ever so slightly tighter tolerances and because its traditionally a varmit round, is typically made with better components than bulk NATO spec ammo. This results in a flatter, more predictable trajectory.
The Wylde chamber is a hybrid chamber that allows you not only to safely shoot both, but also exploit the respective advantages of both rounds in the same weapon.
very informative. I had no idea there were other companies making lever guns.
There is something kind of fun about having a lever gun and revolver, with one ammo pile in the middle. makes me thing of camp.
Lever guns have been making a real comeback thanks to the whole cowboy action scene.
Go BFG9000 or go home.
It’s so hard to get nowadays though.
D-D-DOOM still exists? Oooooohhhhhh Godddddddd . . .
Where can I find such wonderfulness?
Decent gaming PC or one of the recent consoles.
Also the intro was the most absurdly metal thing of 2016.
{Salivating}
I’ll see youse folks in a few weeks . . . 8p
I’m not dead yet!
DOOM 2016 is spectacular and you should totally get it.
Humble Store has it for 50% off, is totally legit storefront and part of the proceeds goes to charity of your choice. What’s not to like?
“Exxxxxxxcellent, Smithers!”
On a budget I decided to build a 1000 yard rifle because why not. I got the Cabela special Savage 10TSR in 6.5 creedmoor. About $500 on sale. Then I bought an Athlon Argos 8-34 56mm for $400 and put the last $100 into a Harris bipod. The scope of a first focal plane which I wanted because…. well I just wanted it. Was hitting 1000 yards first day with factory ammo. I’m going to mess with the load for more accuracy. I’d like a suppressor. What ever happened to that bill in congress for suppressor?
Congress would rather play hot potato with healthcare right now. A topic for another day, but a plague on both your house and senate says I.
If you are shooting at 1000 yards a suppressor wont do you any good.
There is so much to this I dont know if I want to start. Y’all will end up with a wall of text.
Y’all will end up with a wall of text.
You will make Ken’s day.
I want the suppressor for different reasons. Mostly because I don’t like the noise or dealing with neighbors. I’ve heard they can act like a muzzle break which makes sense to me so I don’t see any downside.
OMG, they’re letting Vhyrus post here now. This place is going to hell in a hand basket!
“A small selection of the author’s firearms.”
And 3 and one half toes.
Nice autonomous killing machines.
Dammit I forgot to crop my giant hairy feet out of that one. Oh well, those of you with unique fetishes get a little bonus this week.
Hey, I did say ‘Nice autonomous killing machines’, (: If you ever need a smartass who never misses an opportunity, I’m available. Oh, who am I kidding, those are a dime a dozen around there.
Whoever said you can’t beat your kids is just wrong. Wrong wrong wrong. Your kids need a beating, those bratty kids in the street need a beating, and my kids really, really need a beating. And if you don’t like it, you probably need one too. Now I’m going to walk my kids to get some ice cream and I hope they survive the trip.
This. Folks may get carried away and do harm to their children, but properly administered corporal punishment associates pain and poor behavior before the kids have developed enough foresight to create that association on their own.
I was spanked when I was a kid. I turned out all right.
I was spanked and otherwise abused as a kid, but that was mostly ’cause my Dad was an A-hole. Apparently he’s drooling into his cornflakes these days and doesn’t remember shit.
Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy. Not that I’m bitter or anything, but the rest of the family had to spend decades re-building the wreckage that selfish jackwit created.
John Ringo goes into quite a lot of detail re: weapons and ammo in the Dark Tide Rising mini-series. Lots of fun. Of course the focus there is taking someone down in as few shots as possible (zombie plague – so .45/7.62 better than 9mm/5.56)….and what kind of pistol actually fires underwater.
They’ll all fire, they just wont be super useful unless they’re firing a drag stabilized dart of some kind.
Sorry – phrasing – they specifically have a debate about glock vs. sig or something like that in the first book. He winds up having to shoot a shark while diving to cut some cables.
So, interestingly enough, I actually did research on this because I am terrified of sharks and love guns. If you shoot a normal pistol underwater and you’re within 10 feet of it without ear protection it will blow your eardrums clean out. A guy made a special underwater silencer for a glock which he uses to kill lionfish in Florida.
Not surprising. There are TONS of safety regulations in place on a ship when you have divers working over the side.
Can’t the vibrations from sonar pings technically rupture your lungs?
That’s the least of your problems – trust me..
I don’t know how strong sonar pings are, but I know you can fire a gun underwater with plugged ears and suffer no harm or discomfort, so unless a ping is exponentially stronger than a gunshot I’m going to guess that is an urban legend.
Let’s just say…you need ear plugs if you’re on the ship and pinging.
The amount of energy a sonar array can deliver is greater than a gunshot. It wouldn’t surprise me that it would do severe damage to your guts if they were pinging at a resonant frequency of something inside you.
Mumbles, is that you?
There are more than a few videos of people shooting various guns underwater on youtube.
What is critical underwater is speed. Over about 2200 fps the shock causes the bullets to disintegrate. A heavy, slow bullet is best. Shotgun slugs, large caliber rifle (45/70, 375 winchester etc) large caliber pistol will be effective at surprising distances (20 ft or so)
Anything over that speed is wasted effort. Even a 50BMG will barely penetrate a few feet before coming apart.
Almost every modern gun will work underwater, but the bullet will only go about 3 feet. And if we are talking maximum efficiency, 22LR, aim for the eyeball. You can kill anything on earth with a 22 to the eye socket.
Yeah, you really do not want to get shot a few times in the neck, face, or chest area with a 22. You definitely do not have to hit a human in the eye socket to kill them with a 22.
Those fucking skunks, meanwhile…….
And squirrels, especially squirrels… squirrels learning to fly from the trees!
Center mass unless you’re a hell of a shot for any caliber.
Isn’t 22 the most common round used in murder? I feel like I heard that.
Rumour I heard was that a low-powered .22LR round out of a concealable short-barrel pistol was one of the favourite assassination weapons of the Israeli Mossad. Theory was the assassin would walk right up to the target, place the sidearm’s barrel against the temple and pull the trigger. Supposedly the round had enough energy to enter the skull, but not enough to exit the other side, so it’d just bounce around inside, tearing everything up.
No idea how true any of that is. Sounds ugly and effective.
“so it’d just bounce around inside, tearing everything up.”
I’ve heard the same many times, so if you get shot by a 22 in the chest, it might bounce off a rib and then bounce around doing significant organ damage, instead of going straight through you.
This doesn’t really happen.
I heard stories from my first unit from their AFG deployment in 03-04. They’d bring in Taliban casualties who’d been shot in the chest and spend 20 minutes looking for an exit wound before finding it’d come out the sole of his foot. That might be an exaggeration, but I’ve heard a few along those lines.
That is called channeling. High velocity bullet enters the body before it stabilizes. It is wobbling like hell, hits different densities inside the target and you get who the fuck knows. The theory is that it follows a least resistant path but I dont buy that. Too many variables to know.
*originally the 5.56 was designed to do this. The early rifles had slow twist/heavy bullets so that they would not stabilize. When the super-high velocity bullets would hit the target off-perpendicular they were more effective than dumdums. They did a huge amount of damage.
After vietnam the military became obsessed with accuracy (range shooting) and so they fixed that ‘problem’. When we went back to war there were a lot of complaints about how the 5.56 was ineffective, just making pinholes with the stabilized, accurate bullets.
*facepalm*
You have to hit them just right for that. Toss a ball into a round tank so that it strikes the side wall at a very low angle. The ball doesnt bounce it just runs around the inside walls.
Disadvantages include reduced accuracy
I shot an AK once. I couldn’t hit shit. I don’t even think I could have shot myself in the foot with that thing. I wasn’t impressed. Others in the group were fine with it, but it was not for me.
The biggest problem with aks, especially older ones, are the huge quality control issues that you see even among different guns from the same factory. I had a Chinese sis you couldn’t hit shit with, but my current zaastava ak is just as accurate as my ar within 200 yards.
Sks
Fucking phone
I don’t know where that gun was made. The security guys gave us some training on a job in Kurdistan. They were mostly South African fellas and taught to shoot with an AK-47 before they could walk. I know many of them preferred the Serbian and Eastern European models over the Chinese ones. It would be interesting to know how many Kalashnikov’s are spread over this world. They are tucked away in corners everywhere but North America.
According to the World Bank, there’s 75 million in circulation and over 100 million have been produced. They probably don’t count the ones made by gun artisans in Pakistan and other far corners of the world though.
“Gun artisans of Pakistan” reminded me of this Vice documentary.
Ya, that sounds way low. I would guess in the hundreds and hundreds of millions are out there.
Yeah, I only shot a friend’s AK once. Hitting center ring from the first shot though which surprised me. Loved it.
“I shot an AK once. I couldn’t hit shit.”
Bingo. I dont find the AR’s all that great either. Fucking blowback bolts. Where is my M1A?
I did already tell Vhyrus to get off my damned lawn, didnt I?
I have an ar and it is fun to shoot. However, if I want to really enjoy myself, I take out my FAL and my Garand. Those two are my favorite.
Ooooh, my favorite Austrian Psycho-Billy band is having some special promos for their next album. I’ll probably go for the deluxe box.
Anyone want to pick up a special something for their special someone? Check out the bottom of the page 😛
Can that please be a school of economics?
Na na, na na na
Live is Life
How about an awesome 80s cover from either genuine neo-Nazis or master trolls (I don’t think anyone ever figured out how serious that band is). Trigger Warning: very 80s.
You’re not being helpful here, Ted.
*Googles what rhymes with Praxeology.*
Psycho-Billy – like Rock-a-billy but with the horror themes.
Ie. The Creepshow, The HorrorPops, Kitty in a Casket, etc
It’s like some of the best Americana comes from outside the US. (And I’m not bitching about appropriation here).
Awww, so many Zastava AKs. Makes me feel all warm and nostalgic – please tell me they are not total garbage.
Also, annoyingly Tier 4 is what Canadians are allowed to get while jumping through only several hoops. Although, far as I remember (too lazy to check) M1 Garand got grandfathered into the same category as shotguns and bolt action rifles because democracy (seriously, far as I know SKS is restricted, and I can’t think of any big difference other than origin).
Also,
A decent AK is now also slightly more expensive than a base model AR currently.
This hurts my soul. Thank, Obama!
Damn Trump, he should get off his Russian-obeying ass and lift Kalashnikov sanctions…
Damn right. Hundred dollar Russian and Norinco AKs again would be sweet.
So a little more on that. Americans have not figured out how to make AKs. There are a few trying but they think they have to use forged trunnions even though it is a recently known fact that Kalashnikov currently uses cast trunnions without any problems. American companies tried making cast trunnions but they bent after a few dozen rounds. Americans also tried making cast bolts, which you actually cannot do. So yeah, right now the only decent AKs are the expensive arsenals from bulgaria, Romanian WASR 10s and some of the Zastavas.
Some of them are garbage, but that particular one is a M70 B1 with the 1.5mm receiver and the bulged trunnion. It’s like a solid block of lead but it’s a freaking champ. I actually like it better than my bulgarian AK74 which cost twice as much.
You can get Tavors in canada, as well as short barreled shotguns. You don’t have it as bad as you like to let on. You magazine capacity sucks ass though.
Oh I know it could be much worse and luckily looks like Liberals learned their lesson (until they un-learn it). It’s just weird how some semi-auto rifles are OK to own, while others (I.e. SKS aren’t) even though I can’t think of the difference.
Gonna hit the range tomorrow. Gonna talk the Storm 9 and one of the Glocks, maybe the 21 or 22. Might grab the 870 and some slugs. Think I’ll get a sling setup for the 870 this week. Two point convertible to one point.
And to think I can’t even have my 22 here. Sometimes I think Wisconsin exists solely to debunk the effectiveness of Illinois gun laws. Shoot one for me, JB. *Sobs*
Will do. Found the start for my sling setup. QD swivel mounts.
https://www.gggaz.com/remington-870-quick-detach-front-and-rear-sling-attachments.html
Kids and your fancy thingamajobbers. Get yourself a black powder and feel like a patriot.
Guy I used to work with had a .50 cal muzzleloader. I got to shoot it once. It was fun to shoot. I do need to get one. That’s what originally got me interested in guns. A neighbor of a great uncle of mine made the most beautiful custom flintlocks you’ve ever seen. Sold them worldwide actually. After an afternoon in his shop as a kid, I was hooked. I’ve always loved the aesthetics of a nice gun.
My dad almost made them. Fun as hell to shoot.
Add this to the rear and I have my single point conversion. Just need to find a padded sling that’s not too long.
http://www.blueforcegear.com/universal-wire-loop-w-push-button-socket.html
Can’t have a 22? Jesus.
Japan has a four hundred year tradition of strict gun laws. The end of the Second World War just made it worse.
Years back I started to look into what it took to get a license here. Gave up after about 10 minutes. Figured if the state needs that much info on me and is going to follow me that closely, I’d be safer without one.
Proud owner of at least one from each Tier. All are fun. I like the mechanics of a manual loader and the brutal efficiency of an auto loader.
Speaking of guns… Fuck this kid. Let him rot.
agreed. that was one of the most heinous serial killings of the past few decades.
Be careful what you wish for. They are going to use that to overturn Lopez with that. It is a sneak attack while everyone is looking at that evil kid and wishing him dead.
*clicks link*
Oh, wrong case. I was thinking of Dylan Roof.
Not completely off-topic because GUNZ, but I’m developing (or rather, increasing) a real man-crush on Larry Correia. Not only is he an awesome writer, his latest blog update is essentially
GlibertarianYokeltarian Hive Mind summarized.Among other topics:
I’d say we gotta get him on here, but I doubt he has the time or inclination for it…
I really enjoyed his and Correia Jr.’s long rant on the recent Avengers line, despite my opinion generally being “man, superhero comics are retarded.”
I’m actually cool with that but only if ideally you could find a way to impeach to about six levels down so we get President Mattis. That would be awesome, thanks.
What sane human being doesn’t want President Mattis? He’s basically the only adult in the room right now.
For those interested in the SKS, beware of slam fires.
Slam disasters can ruin your mind.
The ultimate slam disaster
Was a pitcher and also on the tennis team in high school. Recovering from a case of nerves is much harder in singles tennis. That was too bad because Jana seemed like a cool chick. Also, I hated the way Steffi would always run around her backhand.
At least she ended up winning in ’98.
I will try to catch up but first, get off my damned lawn.
*affectionately strokes Winchester 1894*
I love the Winchester ’94 30-30. Have always wanted one.
Get one. Do it.
I have all of the calibers except 25-35 and .356. I want those too. I have 6 in 30-30, 3 in 375 and two in 44mag, one in everything else.
Nothing is as well balanced, carrys as easy, or points so naturally. Even the relatively weak 30-30 is more than enough power to knock down anything in the woods.
Sweet
Am i the only one who fixated on the potentially-ingrown-toenail? I probably am.
Since you brought it up:
I think I might be a mutant because my nails (finger and toe) curve inward and are roughly the same hardness as aircraft grade aluminum. I literally have broken toenail clippers on them. I often have problems with ingrown nails but it is not currently ingrown, at least to the point where it’s painful or infected.
Get some bolt cutters
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+ Gifted Youngster
What would your X-men name be? The Toenailer? Clawfoot? Dr Steeltoe?
Im big fat and hairy with claws. Take a guess.
STEVE SMITH?
Thought he put that in there to give us a visual scale. Those guns are huuge.
So a little context is in order. The Tavor is roughly 27 inches tip to tip. The AR is about 33.
New links are up. Abandon Vhyrus *Ahooooga* Abandon Vhyrus *Ahooooga*
If you want a rifle (and you do, trust me,) and you’re starting from zero, do this.
First, do you have two grand? If so, go to your local merchant of death. Buy yourself a Colt 6920, ten Magpul PMags, two cases of ammo, and a bottle of lube. Load all ten magazines and shoot them up every Saturday for the next six weeks. After that, you’ll be well past needing more advice. At the very least, you’ll have some good questions to ask.
No on the two grand? Can you scrape up a thousand bucks? If so, head to the violence store and get yourself a Ruger 10-22, ten Butler Creek 30-rd. magazines, and 2000 rounds of Federal Automatch .22LR ammo. See above. You can do a hell of a lot of skill building with a reliable semi-auto .22LR.
The important thing isn’t the gun that you own; it’s how frequently you shoot it.
There is a kernel of truth to what you are saying, but honestly if you’re starting from zero I would buy a Ruger AR for $450 and a case of ammo. Colt is over priced and over rated.
I disagree, obviously. So there!
I don’t trust anything Ruger makes, save for the 10-22, the MkII/III/IV pistols, and the RPR if you replace the barrel.
What you’re buying with the Colt, more than anything else, is confidence that it will run, right out of the box.
I can tell by this statement that you are over 40. Modern ARs don’t have to be brand name or expensive to run properly. It used to be this way but things have gotten much better in the last 10 years.
I’m 39 next month.
Modern ARs don’t need to be expensive or brand-name to run, but they do need to be properly built. If you’re starting from a position of zero knowledge, “Buy a Colt 6920,” is a lot easier than going into a bunch of detail on chamber specs, proof testing, magnetic particle inspection, carrier key staking, barrel lining, and dwell time.
All that stuff is probably better for one’s second rifle…
Actually that wouldn’t be a bad topic for an article. I would argue that nowadays Colt is actually less reliable than certain cheaper brands. They have been living off their good name and really letting their QC slide.
This is all too true. You can likely buy mil-spec parts for half the price of a Colt, assemble them with instructions from YouTube and have a better rifle than what Colt currently produces.
Maybe I should get to the range this weekend and break in the Colt. And run some 45 through the Blackhawk.
Congrats on breaking 200, yo.
My Arsenal Saiga SGL-21 (AK) with a skeleton stock and reflex sight is my go-to. Thousands of rounds, no misfires, pretty damn accurate (but pricey).
Then my M1A SOCOM II with a Hogue forward grip. Ostensibly a .308 CQB rifle. Only detractor is the recoil and brain scrambling shock wave: follow up shots are ~vaguely center mass. Springfield has come out with a few better M1As in the last few years with a pistol grip and adjustable stock (goddammit). Still just as expensive, but don’t want to trade in my old one either. Guss I have a savings goal!