The casual observer would, ehm… observe that late stage communism in Romania was not exactly Utopia. A good percent of the urban population lived in cramped concrete apartment blocks that were not quite heated in winter, water – especially of the hot variety – and electricity were not guaranteed, the lines were enormous for all basic goods, and shortage was the order of the day. Of course the leaders of the proletariat did not live in such conditions. They took over the villas of the pre-communism wealthy or middle class, and built a few more. It is quite understandable. After all, it is hard work, building equality; they deserved a better living standard then the hoi-polloi. Some animals more equal than others, you see.
Shortage was the norm and queuing for hours was part of the social fabric. Good stuff, a friendly lefty will tell you. Got out of the house (the house was depressing anyway) socialized, met interesting people. And by interesting I mean hungry and bored. Obesity was less of a problem, the old commie diet works wonders. People had complex social rules for queuing. If you were lucky you found out in advance which store was about to get something. If you noticed a line, you sometimes joined it without actually knowing what it is for; there must be something to buy there. After standing in line you would ask the person in front what they had. In all lines you hoped that whatever was sold would not be finished before your turn. There was a standard shout of “Don’t give too much to one person so there is enough for all”. Anecdotally, in University we would shout that when going by the door of a room where a professor was grading exams.
If you wanted gas for your car, you had to stay at least overnight in line. Someone had to sleep in the car, otherwise you would lose your spot. Well this meant that least you had a car, which was not easy, so you were in your own fashion a petty bourgeois. If you happen to be caught with more than a few liters of cooking oil or a few kilos of flour, you would be shamed on public TV for the goddamn hoarder and wrecker you were. There is plenty they would say, if not for the hoarders, the greedy ones who do not care for their fellow man.
The stories are literally endless. Well not literally literally, but as close to it as possible. Also the jokes, though I feel a lot of them are repeated through European communist nations, so I won’t put any here. I was always fascinated as a kid by how the bread you could buy in stores was never fresh, always a day old. Maybe this way people ate less of it. This carried over after communism in a way. I was fairly young back then, but after bread shortage was no longer a thing, I noticed my parent always overbought bread and would usually throw away quite a bit, because there was some residual fear of running out of bread. Buy 3 just in case, we don’t want to run out of bread.
There was secret police and the fear of nightmarish jail for any dissent. People rarely trusted neighbors, even family, due to fear of them actually being an informant. This fear was not unfounded, after communism it was found that many were in fact informers and many ratted on their brothers and cousins and parents. This created a general atmosphere of distrust among people that I think still persists.
With all of that, you may wonder, how the hell there is still nostalgia about those times? How are there people who say it was better back then? Well it is not a simple thing. These things rarely are.
One of the ones that usually accounts for some nostalgia was youth. Back then people were young and healthy and now they are old and sometimes sick. Discomfort was easier on a young body. Hell when I was a university student I would holiday in accommodations I quite turn my nose at now. We were a bunch of young people, had some food to eat and cheap booze to drink, it was all needed. Back in the communist days, there was not much food and crap vodka and wine, but a young couple lets say would need little more. The apartment was cold but they warmed each other, wink wink. Life seemed good enough.
Another reason would be that radical change is hard on some. Communist life, as it was, was what people grew up with and were used to. The change was maybe too much for some. Further more, human memory is a fickle creature. People may selectively remember the better times, and selectively compare to the worst things the get now.
Of course, among the stronger reasons it is quite simple. Envy. Basic human envy sprinkled with some resentment here and there. Many did not have it worse back than in absolute terms, but had it the same or better in relative terms to others. Everyone was poor, many poorer than you.
This especially applies to the less than competent who do not do as well in a society were some level of competence matter. Why should they have less money just because they are less productive? They will say back than everyone had a job. Yes, they did. And most didn’t do much at it. Communism lasted as long as it did because of the few people who did their best out of principal. My father was one of such. But it was disastrous because these people were a minority.
A good number of the ones who did the jobs did reasonably well after communism. The others not so much and were nostalgic, it was better back then. They had the same pay for little work as the guy who did all the work. Sometimes more because he spent the time not working mingling, making connections, joining the Party, ratting out colleagues to the secret police, that sort of thing. My father always refused to join the Communist Party which cost him quite a bit back then. I have to admit, as a kindergartner I was a Falcon of the Fatherland, but never got the chance to be a Pioneer and join the party on account of my age.
My father is an electronic engineer and worked in a factory that designed and produced industrial automation devices. Back then the workers got better pay than the engineers, more access to holiday accommodations, better apartments and extra rations. So they felt good. After communism when engineer pay rose above worker pay, they had, led by the union, a strike before the factory, screaming we do all the work, we don’t need engineers, fire all the engineers. The competent engineers left the still government owned factory by themselves in time, and it closed down. Before my father left a group of assembly workers asked him respectfully about maybe staying to keep the factory going. He reminded them of their strikes, and they realized their mistake. But it was a bit late for that. Others did not, and took small anticipated pensions and are now fairly poor, bitter and talking about how it was better back then. Even with their current poverty they probably have the same amount of goods, but now there are so many things in stores they cannot afford. Empty stores of communism did not have this effect.
Off course, a lot of people are much poorer then they would be if an actual free market reform took place instead of the government dominated crony capitalism system we have in this country. Started by Mister Iliescu, may he rot in Hell, who wanted to replace the old system with something called socialism with a human face. Which meant the right people get all the wealth and power, mostly the ones who had it before. Still, the new system did lead to development and allowed some actually get a better life. But it did take some effort.
I feel sorry in a way for a lot of Romanians, because they were educated in communism and kept that kind of thinking. Many were kept poorer by the system and the government, it was not fully their fault. It never is. Humans do adapt to circumstances. But then again, they voted for the system in great numbers- no vote rigging needed – and expected things to happen by themselves. On the other hand there were plenty of people who did not believe all the communist indoctrination and did change their thinking after ’89. And a lot of them willfully did not and became hateful instead. While in communism they took only the “to each according to his need” part, skipped the work part, and spend time trying to climb the hierarchy while being snitches. So my sorry feelings are ambivalent to say the least. Heartless libertarian such as I am.
re: alt text, pic #2:
Sitting on the teacher’s lap?
I’m guessing the one holding the flag, looking askance, with that devil-may-care forehead lock of hair.
If you’re talking about the one in the back, I think he’s a Pioneer. The kid in front of him, looking sideways, would be my bet.
I meant the little guy in the front row with the flag, lower left corner of the photo.
I’ll guess the baby-faced one in the floppy hat with his head turned to our left. Because maybe he’s looking at the older girl in pigtails and that seems like a Glib thing to do
That road goes to one place. The only variable is how fast you drive down the road.
What is so remarkable is that western Europe watched it happen in the east, learned nothing and are now driving down that same road. I’ve said it before and I will again: the vast majority of misery in the world is self-inflicted.
Now driving the same road?
They cheerfully careened down that road in the 70s, and then had to backpedal. Thatcher didn’t come to power because It Was Her Turn, or to shatter any glass ceilings, she came to power because goddamn gravediggers went on strike and city council started storing bodies.
As Claire Berlinski put it in her Thatcher biography, “the usual response is – yes, but there weren’t that many bodies…”
Yep, people don’t realize how close places like France and Italy were to having communist governments installed right after the Second World War even without the Soviets trying to puppet them. Europe’s been going this way since the 1920s, it’s just been a slower process because its been an institutional rot instead of a violent revolution.
They were going to be duly elected according to the morons that think this was a good thing. Of course, with a lot of help from the USSR which wanted to always help the little guy…
Galags for all!
Hey man, in the 70s, commies were decapitating bankers with bicycle bombs parked by the side of the road in Germany. Fun times.
You are right, but it seems to have more widespread social acceptance now. I dont keep up with politics over there very closely but my impression is that they are inching ever closer in fits and starts.
Its been sanitized and legitimized. The usual suspect have washed it clean and have made it actually sound noble. The dark shit and the fact that the road always ends in the same spot, never ever, gets brought up by those trying to recruit…
The libertarian argument can only win if you successfully frame it in terms of morality and justice. The left is really good at making their ideas feel just and good, so average people naturally gravitate towards them.
So the libertarian argument has a snowballs chance in hell… somehow i’m okay with that
What’s just about stealing from productive people? What they do is bank on people’s envy, and then, lend the veneer of legitimacy to that theft by wrapping it in nonsense that can make it sound like what they are doing is noble.
What you stated is a fact. That makes you fascist to progs. Feel, Alex, feel!
It’s not stealing if they have more!
And if you have a badge.
I called debbie’s office to ask why she used a robotic voice. Office person says not discussing at this time and would relay my concern
https://mobile.twitter.com/FiveRights/status/870676342156791809
Well, you complain about communism now Pie, but is it better to live as human cattle for your vampire overlords? IS IT?!?!
Someone didn’t get to jump on Churchill’s belly.
Well the vampires give us better wine. It is good for the blood
Hilariously, in Yugoslavia this became true only after (supposed) fall of Communist party.
Romania had a more demented leader. Tito was not that bad compared with ol Nick. And there was some private enterprise there.
Your Communists were not real Communists anyway. Just a bunch of pro-Western revisionists.
It’s actually remarkable how even a small degree of non-government economy led to relatively better living conditions in the Eastern Bloc. I traveled through Romania to Bulgaria in 1990. Romania, which probably had the craziest commie government in Europe [let’s ignore Albania for a moment], looked much poorer than even Bulgaria.
Yes. It’s just weird – the big, huge, enormous thing Yugoslavia did in early 50s was roll back agrarian reform. People could own the land – they just couldn’t sublet it. If you had a family large and industrious enough, you could work a good parcel of land, harvest the produce, sell it at the farmer’s market and keep the proceeds (minus taxes, of course).
Then , they even allowed people to run their own business. You could be a private baker, or storekeeper, or cobbler. Profit all you like.
Result – a society head and shoulders above Eastern Block when it came to living standards. Fuck, there was even a thriving (though small-scale) trade, from people buying jeans and records in Trieste and offloading them in Budapest or Bucharest in exchange for food and booze.
I remember the History of Marxism book which described Yugoslavia as a country that was wholly Revisionist. Also why I will hate Milosevic forever – there was no need for the civil war, and the country was on the cusp of transitioning to market economy and probably getting into EEC as a mechanism to keep it from fragmenting.
I spoke with a Serbian taxi driver one time and asked him what he thought of the communists. After he spat on the ground in disgust, he said “They were all peasants. Ignorant peasants with axes to grind. The top leaders put them in charge of the bureaucracies because the leaders knew they would be grateful and ruthless.”
That is a pretty universal story. I have heard nearly identical stories from every commie country.
Hell, Maduro is living proof of that.
Although hopefully not for long.
Lots of misery and death will come before any significant chance for change happens there… Old guard communists play for keeps, and body count to stay in power usually doesn’t face them much.
To paraphrase Gen’l Buck Turgidson, the human element may have failed us, here, but it’s not fair to condemn an entire philosophy on account of a few slip-ups.
+1 Mineshaft Gap
A few million slip ups give or take. Depending on the breaks
love that “World Targets in Megadeaths” binder
“Proud Independent” Matthew Dowd of ABC has news for you.
We all need to pitch in and do our part like Comrade Stakhanov!
Funneling money to cronies/bureaucrats/kleptocrats while not doing anything for the climate is working together?
“I will work harder.” – Boxer
Seems like every boxer says that after they lose.
That Boxer never lost, but she was ‘punch-drunk’.
Good for her, taking it on the chin like that.
When fighting southpaw proves to be an ineffective, losing stategy, the only thing to do is double-down and REALLY fight southpaw.
Boxer always “sticks” to the job, ha ha, glue joke.
The rhetoric around all this has a very obvious tell. Namely, everything said is some vague and vapid proclamation about ‘working together’, ‘America leading’, doom-and-gloom predictions and other such nonsense, but none of these people actually directly address what part of the Paris treaty they find so important and vital.
Because these dumb motherfuckers don’t know anything about it. They’re virtue signalling about a document that, more or less, is only virtue signalling (and funneling some Western money off to third world cronies of course). If you’re even mildly informed about what the actual Paris accord is these people are just standing up and screaming “I’m so goddamn shallow.”
Also, watch Dowd squeal and whine like a child if someone applied his ‘a planet works if nations work together’ to say, demanding European nations cut their social welfare programs and dump the money into their militaries so others aren’t footing their defense bills.
An ‘impartial’ journalist, ladies and gentlemen.
I personally relished reading the Wall Street Journal opinion page today. They were beyond giddy at the fact that the Paris Climate Agreement was dead. If you can read it in incognito, here’s the link: https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-bids-paris-adieu-1496358860
I hope someone replied – “hear, hear comrade”
“Everything for the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state.”
First, the media screamed at me that leaving the Paris sham would be crippling to American businesses. Now, they run stories with complaints from German automakers that they will be at a competitive disadvantage with American automakers because they will have to abide by Paris while Detroit does not.
Make up your damned minds already!
This goes nicely with Pie’s article. Equality it what’s important, even if it means we are all equally miserable.
I know this is almost cliche at this point, but the left doesn’t want to elevate the poor, they want to impoverish the wealthy. Regardless of how the wealthy got that way.
Impoverish wealthy that isnt them
Fify
That’s the only kind of equality that collectivism can deliver, and hence it will deliver just that…
Socialism only works when we’re all socialist together.
The Paris Agreement and the bias among the wealthy and our press in its favor is a perfect microcosm explaining why Trump won the presidential election. You had an agreement that would cost working people jobs and raise their energy costs so that they could pay homage to the rich white liberal religion of Climate Change.
What a disgusting spectacle. His withdrawal made me think about voting for him next time around.
The Paris Agreement is a lot like those feel-good laws that are named after a person who died tragically. Forget about what’s in the law, what kind of monster could be against it? It’s named after a dead child! And what kind of monster could be against a treaty that’s named after the environment? Again, forget about what it actually says.
a planet works if nations work together.
What a maroon.
I hate to tell you this, Matty, but the planet will keep right on spinning, “nations” be damned.
complaints from German automakers that they will be at a competitive disadvantage with American automakers because they will have to abide by Paris while Detroit does not.
The California Air Resources Board sez howdy.
Nothing in the paris agreement was legally binding. they’re assuming that the US *would have* imposed draconian rules as a consequence.
Tremendous essay, Pie!
I really enjoy hearing stories of communism from people who were there, not pampered western fuckheads. I play hockey with a bunch of Russians – there is no better way to get them going than to suggest maybe Bernie Sanders had it right.
Funny how people that actually experienced communism seem to be the ones most opposed to it. Your average new age marxist however, never having seen how that shit really works, and living in the lap of comparable luxury, however, will tell you with absolute certainty that it will cure all the ills of the world…
I’m still waiting for those Antifa assholes to start inviting masses of homeless people to live with them.
A kid I went to high school with came over as a child from Vietnam in the early ’80s. Several of our other classmates on Derpbook are central-casting leftists, and he puts them in their places with regularity. It’s always a fun read.
Obviously, the real problem is that the right people haven’t been in charge. That and true communism hasn’t really been tried. That and the saboteurs and wreckers always ruin everything. And human nature is wrong. And outside imperialist powers corrupt the people. Aside from all that, Communism is perfect.
Here’s a little something to jostle you out of your afternoon doldrums.
OMG that’s the filthiest thing I’ve ever seen!
Ha ha, not really, I think it’s safe.
That’s not a girly pic
I’ll see your Led Zeppelin and raise you Alice Cooper
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46lHQT-_0Ig
Favorite Zepplin tune:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epX8Th4aiMc
Hey, you mistyped the link to “The Immigrant Song”!
Or maybe it’s become [air quotes] “politically incorrect” in the Age of Trump. /sarc
They come from the land of the ice and snow, so they’re obviously not PoC, and therefore it’s racist.
I can see Suthen’s choice, but as a bassist, “Ramble On” is definitely the most fun to play, among a lot of fun songs to play. Jones was talented, and unfairly overshadowed by the large personalities of the other band members.
I like “When the Levee Breaks”, even though it was really only a studio effort. With all the fucking around, I can’t imagine they ever played it live.
That is my favorite. Mississippi Minnie writes a damn good tune.
Memphis Minnie it turns out, but same thing.
Patagonia is pretty icy and snowy. Even though that part of South America is almost exclusively Euro descended, they’re “Hispanic” (whatever the fuck that means) therefore PoC.
Oh yeah, you’re a shitlord.
The cats haven’t complained yet.
Blocked in my country.
Worse sound, but it’s closer to the original form.
I should learn by now not to click on any of the links in this place.
You missed the time me and some other guy had a posting war on The Other Site where we found the most disgusting Bodymod images (I lost because I gave up because I was afraid Reason would legitimately ban us if we filled a thread with pictures of octopus dicks and guys shoving crowbars down their urethra).
Better
OK, the Immigrant Song is the best Zeppelin song to listen to while sober.
BTW, did anyone comment yet on that Kathy Griffin press conference? Because, if not…..HAHAHAHAHAHA
Theodore Darlymple wrote an excellent collection of essays about years 1989-1991 in the countries that DIDN’T immediately toss the commies, and Romania was one of them. He came back from his trip only weeks before Nicolai was overthrown, and so was able to add a coda to it.
The entries on North Korea, Cuba and Vietnam are great on their own, but, with 25 year distance, even better. Cuba was doing OK, North Korea was lunatic even then, and Vietnam was mired in poverty. But, Cuba was looking bewildered at the fall of Soviet sugar daddy, while Vietnam was loosening their economic policies. And then you look at them now…
Also plastic bags did not exist, so each loaf had a label glued directly to the crust which needed to be cut off prior to consumption. I remember this whenever progs float their ideas for bans on plastic shopping bags.
For anyone who wants to participate in the Communist Experience, Polish Institute of National Memory (yes, that’s the name) has published a boardgame called The Lineup. I’ve played it and laughed my heart out. The goods you queue for are gloriously hideous products of Communist industry, there’s never enough, and you soon learn to fuck over everyone else before they fuck you.
Bernie Sanders owns a copy but no one would play him because he kept cheating. Either that or he didn’t get the rules.
Politics in the U.S. were a ton better back then because the disaster that was Eastern Europe effectively bracketed in the Democrats on how far left they could go. You just didn’t go full-commie back then because everyone knew communism sucks. So Republicans and Democrats were not terribly far apart politically – little else in our lives became politicized.
With the Soviets and their client-states gone, the Democrats are free to become unhinged and rocket leftward at full-speed. Either they become irrelevant shortly or we are going to have a civil war.
“But back then a liter of milk was only 1 crown (or lei, or dinar or whatever), now it’s 10 crowns.” This is the common complaint I hear from the inlaws. They seem to forget that often you couldn’t find milk in the store (if it was open), and that they now earn far more money.
That said, the old people do have it hard. They are too old to work, and their pensions haven’t kept up with inflation.
Pie, this was seriously wonderful. SP and I spent much time reading it and shaking our heads- it’s the story that all of our friends who lived under socialist/communist states tell. I’ve always been tempted to get our most virulent leftist friends in the same room with our buds who grew up in the USSR and eastern Europe and watch the fun.
This was excellent. Thanks for sharing your memories Pie.