Greetings once again, boils and ghouls, and welcome to the final regular installment of Reviews You’ll Never Use. I regret to announce that the column will be ending as a recurring piece, though may reappear now and again in the future.
Our topic tonight is a film that I followed with some interest through its development, The Boy. Often with horror films, writers and/or directors will have a short film, a treatment, or sometimes even a fully finished movie (though usually badly in need of editing), but cannot get distribution. It’s a fairly common phenomenon that affects most low-budget filmmakers when they’re just getting started. Such was the case with director Craig William Macneill. The Boy was only his second full-length feature as a director, and I recall reading some years ago about how he was trying to drum up financing to turn his short, Henley, into a full-fledged movie. The concept he outlined was to do a trilogy, following the life of a serial killer through early childhood, into young adulthood, and then as an older man. I thought it was an interesting idea, and looked forward to the first installment. Certainly the whole, “what makes a serial killer tick” shtick has been done before – even Rob Zombie took his reboot of Halloween in that direction (though for my money, nothing has yet topped the excellent Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer). However, it had never been done over the course of three films (unless you count the trials and tribble-ations of Anakin Skywalker). Eventually, the movie saw the light of day due in large part to Chiller Films, which is part of that horror-dedicated cable channel I mentioned a couple of weeks ago.
Truth be told, that was a few years back, and I’d kind of forgotten about the whole thing until recently when I saw it for sale on the cheap at Movie Trading Company. So I brought that bastard home & popped it in the ye olde Blu-Ray player. And an hour and forty-five minutes later, I awoke with a start as something finally fucking happened at the end of the movie.
So let’s get this out of the way right off the bat: the director, bless his heart, had more brains and artistic chutzpah than your average trash low-budget horror filmmaker and didn’t want to do another throw-away slasher. Okay, cool, I get it, more power to you. But I think he goes a bit off the rails in trying just so damned hard to make you take this film seriously, and to not lurch into being a stereotypical horror film. Camera angles are static, the background sounds are exaggerated for effect (with no background music through the entirety, except what characters play on their stereo), and there are just too many cock-tease moments before the final payoff.
We open in 1989, at a crappy roadside motel run by David Morse, and his troubled son, Jared Breeze. The motel is clearly dying, and Morse has taken counsel of despair and despondency. He does pay his son a quarter per carcass to keep roadkill scraped up off the highway, I suppose to make the place less creepy-seeming to passersby. Breeze is stultified by this life, never interacting with other children except when the increasingly scarce guests happen to have their own crotch-fruit. His father, though going through the motions, seems to have checked out of having any sort of vitality, and his mother ran off years ago with one of the guests.
Eventually, curiosity gets the best of him, and instead of simply waiting for the highway to provide his income, he decides in true capitalist fashion to go out and make shit happen. So he seeds the middle of the road with potato chips & chicken feed, to draw animals that will then be hit by cars. This plan goes slightly awry when Rainn Wilson (I always hated that fucking first name) hits a deer and totals his car, causing him to have to stay at the motel. The titular Boy grows close to Rainn over a number of days, though the reluctant guest gives plenty of clues to us in the audience that he may not be a wholesome person. Another couple with a little boy stop in, and Breeze disables their car so that they’ll stay an extra day (and almost drowns their son while playing in the swimming pool). Our little protagonist (antagonist?) displays unusual behaviors, such as stealing Rainn’s dead wife’s ashes and looming over the guests in their beds at night.
By the end of the film, he’s managed to coerce Rainn into chasing him through a junkyard where he laid a tarp over a deep pit, trapping a severely wounded Rainn presumably for forced boy-on-man sex at a later date. He also cops a feel off a drunk girl at a prom party that has rented out a few of the motel rooms. The boys at the party kick his ass pretty bad, and his drunk father only yells at him for having disturbed the guests. So Breeze takes things into his own hands, waits until everyone is passed out asleep, and burns the fucking motel to the ground while everyone screams inside.
I don’t want to bash this movie. It was ambitious, to do a slow-burn think piece as your first big horror film, and that takes both guts and some level of thinking above and beyond what most hacks in this field are capable of. So I applaud Mr. Macneill for that. I would much rather someone make this attempt and not quite succeed than give in to the siren song of doing Friday the 13th Part Eleventy. The problem is, up until the end, the entire fucking thing is nothing but an hour and thirty minutes of atmosphere and set-up, and by the time you finally get to the payoff, it’s too damned late. Nobody cares anymore. Shit fucking fire, I’d fallen asleep in my (admittedly very comfortable) Lay-Z-Boy. The vanishingly few non-superhero films that are being made anymore should find their strength in being the opposite of Fortress Mouse and its motto of “There Is No Such Thing As Too Many Overwrought CGI Battles”. These movies should take their time with pace, and rely on solid performances and writing to build engagement with the characters and situations. And this film does that. Both Morse and little Jared turn in quite good renditions of their bleak characters, never going into absurd “look how awful our lives are” hyperbole. But it does it too fucking much. At this point, I realize I’m starting to sound like a crank, but it really is like Goldilocks stealing the porridge from those fucking pedobears. Just because some things are too much one way, and you quite rightly realize that a correction is in order, doesn’t mean that you necessarily go a full 100 mph in the exact opposite direction until you hit a wall. It’s okay to go partway. Just the tip. It won’t make you gay, and you never have to tell anyone else about it if you don’t want to.
Anyway, I think Macneill has promise. My criticisms are harsher because I perceive the film to have so much more potential than what was realized. There’s honestly a really good movie lurking in their editing room somewhere, and that’s nothing to sneeze at considering what most young auteur horror directors crank out. This one just doesn’t quite rise to the occasion.
I typically read a lot of other reviews online to try and help focus my own sense of how I view the films I write about, and also to make sure my criticisms aren’t solidly addressed by some aspect that I might have just plain missed. I found one that seems to echo my thoughts entirely, only better written.
Weighing in at 105 minutes, “The Boy” traps itself in a corner by giving its sights, sounds, and story so much room to breathe that the suspense ratchet cannot retain its tightness. The movie has more time than it needs to get where it wants to go, giving excess duration free reign to defuse dread with unfulfilled setups and unnecessary asides.
Preach it. I award this film two Pretty Marines and one Cat out of three possible of the former, and two possible of the latter.
I do consider myself warned ’bout this film – thanks Thunderlizard.
I was hoping it would be a post on Oshima’s Boy, a very disturbing movie in its own way.
Where the fuck are Groovus, Sarcasmic, and John? They to good for this place?
Groovus was here at the start.
Thanks ROBC, it sounds like he is a busy man from his posts at the other site.
I’ve spotted sarc in the not too distant past over at TSTSNBN. John, I have not seen a peep out of him for months. Maybe they got into the ultimate war over skinny chicks who look like 10 year old boys vs super chubsters and both perished in the battle?
Ya the John typos were excellent. The half wit insults and mind reading was top notch too. Im sure he found several fatty chick sites and went thru the wormhole.
I’m at the place of the before times nearly every (week)day – and yeah, he’s vanished. I kind of miss the old misanthrope.
I really expected John to come over here. Not sure what happened. He and I used to get into some big fights over his war mongering BS, but outside of that, we got along ok most of the time. He wasn’t Tulpa or anything. I mean we’re all Tulpa now, but…
I was kind of hoping we could get Agile Cyborg to migrate over. Nothing better than reading Agile Cyborg rants and wondering If I’m too stoned to appreciate AC, or too sober?
Agile is sort of a strange guy, you know, in case everyone hasn’t figured that out yet. I like the guy’s writing. But I remember one time I asked him what his Steam user name was because I wanted to invite him as a friend so we could discuss a game we were both playing, he said something to the effect of ‘Sorry man, I can’t tell you, I do drugs’. That was sort of weird. But doing a lot of drugs makes you paranoid, so someone told me.
Remember this moment when
people getyou can’t understand why people would get nostalgic for living under the communism.~~~self edit faerie :(~~~
What you talkin bout, Jesse? Real communism has never been tried yet.
I spotted John a few weeks ago in the Reason derp-pool and threw out a comment in his thread about how the water in this pool was so much better without Tony and Shriek pissing in it, but he didn’t seem to take the hint.
Um, I don’t have an author bio boycott…. I really do like guns almost as much as your mom.
My general comment on action movies: cut 1 car chase and use a fraction of the money to hire a good writer.
today in cultural enrichment
UK: Islamic State jihadi who emailed PM’s office threatening to “wage jihad” got job on Crossrail railway project
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/06/uk-islamic-state-jihadi-who-emailed-pms-office-threatening-to-wage-jihad-got-job-on-crossrail-railway-project
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An Islamic State fanatic emailed the Prime Minister’s office threatening to “wage jihad” before being given a job guarding the Crossrail project, a court heard today.
Shamim Ahmed, 24, who once threatened to blow up a bookshop for selling the Charlie Hebdo magazine, wagged his finger at Judge John Bevan QC and warned him: “Give me 20 years, I will come out the enemy.”
Ahmed had sent death threats to staff at The French Bookshop in South Kensington on January 17, 2015 with the subheading: “Protect your neck while you are still alive.”
The former security guard accused the bookshop of selling the satirical magazine “against Muslims” just days after the massacre and said they would face ‘major retaliation’ if they continued to stock it.
He then made two threatening phone calls to the shop on 22 January, telling the owner: “I’m going to come and stab you, I’m going to come right away and blow up the shop: I’m not afraid of the police, I’m a Muslim.”
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If the asshole had tried this bullshit in Italy, he’d be in prison for a long time if he was lucky and put on a slow boat to Libya if he was not. This is why you never hear about jihad attacks in Italy.
Sounds about right. PC extremism for the win!
Fucking pussies.
What’s the problem? The fellow was just saying that, if he didn’t get his way, he’d just wage a journey of personal and spiritual growth.
/UK government
Yet more proof that Trump is a traitor and must be impeached.
The kid with the antlers? I saw it too. They have reindeer in Russia. Total collusion.
today in govt efficiency
New York City Has Taken 7.5 Years and $2 Million to Build a 400-Square-Foot Public Bathroom
https://heatst.com/life/new-york-city-has-taken-7-5-years-and-2-million-to-build-a-400-square-foot-public-bathroom/
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Urban development is one of those areas where a perfect shit storm of fiscal mismanagement can quickly appear while the politicians responsible just shrug their shoulders and say, “Well, that’s just the way things work.”
That was basically the reaction of New York City Councilman David Greenfield after he mentioned the $2 million price tag for a new 400-square-foot public bathroom in a park in his district.
“Government sucks at development,” Greenfield said during a Crain’s New York event on Wednesday.
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Well, at least he’s honest for once.
Is there some reason governments cant do fixed bid contracts?
How on earth are they supposed to get kickbacks and pay off the unions if they do that?
No, but the incentives of all involved are to spend as much as possible for as long as possible while building as little as possible.
It’s totally not cool if you’re the only poor gubmint stiff not driving around in a new Cayenne as your 3rd car. People would gossip and cause our leaders to not be respected.
I remember this hotel we built in Beaver Creek, in the late 90’s. There was a bonus, to be shared with all employees and subcontractors, if the project was finished ahead of times, and a penalty if it was behind.
Surely, public works programs have the same incentives in the contacts?
Sometimes they do, in New Jersey anyway. You can tell which ones have the bonus/penalty built in because the contractors knock them out shockingly fast compared to the usual pace.
The yokel part of Brooklyn SMDH.
not from the contractor’s perspective. or perhaps ‘the union’s’
Well hey, at least the specs that are approved are 7.5 years old. So not the latest water flow restrictive devices, LED lighting, etc. Those upgrades will be approved in another 7.5 years…
Huh. Nothing left to cut for NYC either. I guess it’s not just a federal problem. If we only taxed the rich more, this would all work out.
are white people doing the black thing now, and just taking normal names like “Ryan”, and misspelling them to be cool?
Sara is a black name?
how are you pronouncing it?
throat-warbler-mangrove?
needs more apostrophes
Yeah, the proper Anglo name is Sarah, duh!
What’s the problem?
God help their children.
Why?
they’re going to end up like a rainy holiday
Ah, wordplay.
oh, BORING. He’s named “Walter”. which sounds pretty wet at least.
Middle name Sobchak, punk.
I kind of thought Rainn Wilson was the fat chick from Wilson Phillips getting into acting.
I guess I’ll have to hold on for one more day.
No, that was that fat chick, Rebel Wilson. I can’t keep up with these fat Wilsons.
“The Fat Wilsons” would be an excellent name for a band.
Carnie says hi.
With a Tim Allen look -alike as lead singer…
The Fat Johnsons would be even better
this story is best enjoyed while listening to the Benny Hill chase music
Professor who teaches class bashing capitalism earns $170,000 annually
https://www.thecollegefix.com/post/33571/
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Erik Olin Wright, the well-heeled professor who teaches the graduate-level course, rakes a sweet annual salary of $170,000 per year. …
The tenured, capitalism-hating professor’s annual salary of $170,000 is $116,111 greater than the household income of a typical Wisconsin family and in the top 2 percent of all Americans.
While an average middle-class family in Wisconsin survives on $4,491 per month (before taxes), the Marxist professor enjoys a cushy monthly income of $14,166.
Wright, who grew up in Berkeley, Calif., has spent more than three decades at the taxpayer-funded University of Wisconsin.
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Well, you see, he’s NOT a capitalist, he’s a necessary enlightened one who is going to guide the way to wisdom for the poor unwashed. You ignorant deplorable, you didn’t build that!
As much of a jackass the guy is, it’s still hard to top the bald socialist French president spending $11k a month on haircuts.
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/07/14/486003503/frances-socialist-president-pays-nearly-11-000-a-month-for-haircuts
To be fair, I think he said that no one needs to earn millions. Just do the math, you could spend 11k a month on haircuts… I really have no idea why anyone would want to do that unless they’re getting a lot of extra bonuses with that haircut, I mean, that is one ugly mofo and the hair is not helping. But you ‘could’ spend that if you were only making 20K a month, which would be a lot less than millions.
But don’t worry, their new totally not a socialist president is going to right the ship.
Pfft 170k? What a lazy fuck. I make that much in three days!
*Note to IRS: that’s a joke; I get paid weakly.
“this story is best enjoyed while listening to the Benny Hill chase music”
FYI, It’s ‘Yakety Sax’.
random thought
What is the point of polygraph tests? They very people the tests are intended to find (spies, criminals) are exactly the sort of people most likely to pass the test because they can lie confidently.
Wiki sez infamous CIA mole Aldrich Ames passed the test with flying colors.
according to “The Wire”, they’re mostly used as leverage against suspects/witnesses to try and extract confessions or more information
…. and when they have a shallow case, as shitty-evidence which will probably get thrown out. I don’t know whether anyone still uses them. Reason did an article about the issue a few years back.
Many US gov agencies and the US military intel still use them. 2 guys in my class got tested today.
lol
i can’t find the story Reason wrote. most of the things i find are about how the govt tries to make it a crime to ‘tell people how to beat it’.
they probably linked to some 3rd party article which went over the history of why they’re so shit, and i’m conflating the 2.
The wiki article on polygraphs has some real gems. Some dingdong from the CIA said something like “polygraphs work on Americans because we are raised to tell the truth, unlike the godless Chinese.”
I knew a guy who used to work for the CIA and he was always bragging about how easy it is to beat one and how many times he’s done it. That was 20+ years ago and I’m sure the tech has improved a lot. But I don’t think the guy was lying. He was around 80 years old and was a pretty straight up guy. Used to tell us some amazing war WW2 stories.
Even if the tech is better, the same things are being measured: blood pressure, heart rate, how sweaty your palms are, etc. There’s talk of using MRI scans on the brain because supposedly different areas of the brain are active when a person is lying. Since that would be crazy expensive, I don’t see it happening anytime soon.
Meanwhile, Wonder Leaker can tweet at the president of Iran and not a damn thing happens.
yet on the flip side plain hold honest people who should pass with flying colors fail the polygraph because they get scared or nervous.
it really is total pseudo science garbage
Pseudoscientific CYA for the agencies using them, and it does help with busting the dumb crooks. A half a tab of Xanax or a tack in your shoe can easily help you beat them.
There’s a reason pretty much no legit courts accepts them as evidence.
Lol, that’s one of the things my old friend told us, is that he could take a 5mg valium and beat one every time, as only one technique. But he seemed to have some pretty indepth knowledge of how the machines worked and now anyone could beat one with the right technique. He said that him and his old CIA buds would made a game out of it.
Sorry, not really Germaine: did you every read any of the Stainless Steel Rat books? That was the first place I encountered how easy polygraphs were to beat. It brought back a memory i had forgotten.
*Wipes away single manly tear*
Geeze, you and me both, next you will tell me you were an avid fan of Bill The Galactic Hero.
No, I haven’t read them. The first I ever heard about that was from the guy I was writing about. He liked to tell those old stories, but either the guy was the best bullshitter I have ever seen, or he was 100% telling the truth. I believe the latter. I know 100% sure he served during WW2 and his stories were too amazing to not be true. Plus he had a box full of medals including 2 purple hearts. I miss that fucker. There’s not many people like that left today.
Hah, one of the Stainless Steel Rat books was the first sci-fi book I ever read. Found a hardcopy somebody had obviously lost when I was a little kid (1st-2nd grade), and my parents said I could keep it.
There’s a very good reason.
You don’t want to employ shitty liars.
Someone’s trying to outstage the thiccness? You can’t outstage the thiccness!
Welcome to Alternet, home of the best damn wha-about-isms in the world
The Massive Hypocrisy of Republicans’ Response to the Alexandria Shootings
Even after Trump’s rise and an epidemic of right-wing violence, the GOP twists a tragedy to its own purposes.
http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/epidemic-right-wing-violence
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The alleged gunman — who was killed by police at the scene — is James Hodgkinson, 66, from Belleville, Illinois. He is reported to have volunteered for Bernie Sanders’ presidential campaign in 2016. The alleged shooter also has a criminal record that includes charges of domestic violence. On social media and in public, Hodgkinson was also highly critical of President Donald Trump and the Republican Party. Immediately after the shooting, Sanders issued a statement and spoke on the Senate floor, disavowing Hodgkinson’s actions and condemning political violence.
In the aftermath of a horrible event such as today’s shooting in Alexandria, it is easy to focus on the singular act, as opposed to the broader context within which it took place.
President Trump is a plutocratic authoritarian whose leadership style and personal brand are centered upon violent, predatory masculinity. Such behavior by a president helps set the mood for a nation.
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The right-wing echo chamber has also long reverberated with threats of gun violence — against former President Barack Obama in particular and Democrats or liberals in general.
Ultimately, political violence by the left in today’s America is noteworthy precisely because it is so unusual. White conservatives are eager to embrace any opportunity to present themselves as angels and victims. The tragic shooting in Alexandria has offered them another chance to obey the old political edict: Whatever you are guilty of, accuse the other side of being worse.
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Go on…
See, people think “He’s on the far left! And belonged to a group called “TERMINATE THE GOP”! and he was obsessed about politics!” and then they just JUMP from there to some assumption that “And that’s why he shot members of the GOP!”
Whereas the real logic? Is = “TRUMP IS A DUDE. HE IS A DUDE. ERGO = HE DID IT BECAUSE TRUMP MADE HIS DUDE FEELS ALL WRONG”
QED
“an epidemic of right-wing violence”
This is becoming the big lie. I see it all the time and people take it as true, yet its not.
the word “epidemic” is always the give-away
“President Trump is a plutocratic authoritarian whose leadership style and personal brand are centered upon violent, predatory masculinity. Such behavior by a president helps set the mood for a nation”
I don’t know how everyone else functions, but the leadership style and personal brand of a president doesn’t do much of anything that affects my mood.
“Alleged” gunman? He was shot dead in a gun battle. His actions are not allegations , they are fact.
a great sci-fi author you’ve probably never heard of:
from wiki:
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Edward Page Mitchell (1852–1927) was an American editorial and short story writer for The Sun, a daily newspaper in New York City. He became that newspaper’s editor in 1897, succeeding Charles Anderson Dana. Mitchell was recognized as a major figure in the early development of the science fiction genre.
Mitchell wrote fiction about a man rendered invisible by scientific means (“The Crystal Man”, published in 1881) before H.G. Wells’s The Invisible Man, wrote about a time-travel machine (“The Clock that Went Backward”) before Wells’s The Time Machine, wrote about faster-than-light travel (“The Tachypomp”; now perhaps his best-known work) in 1874, a thinking computer and a cyborg in 1879 (“The Ablest Man in the World”), and also wrote the earliest known stories about matter transmission or teleportation (“The Man without a Body”, 1877) and a superior mutant (“Old Squids and Little Speller”). “Exchanging Their Souls” (1877) is one of the earliest fictional accounts of mind transfer. Mitchell retired in 1926, a year before dying of a cerebral hemorrhage.
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So you’re saying Wells was a crook? Well, he was a Progressive. It checks out.
Oh. My. God. Now
that’s a fine piece of assthatsa spicyah meatball!ALRIGHT YOU MOTHERFUCKERS WHO’S THE BABE
A pig in a popular children’s movie?
A trifle
I think I’d give a testicle to father a baby by her.
That’s not a great forfeiture, but god damn you all, I’d be happy trying.
There was some talk about Mormons today that I wish I had been able to chime in on. My path from Latter-day Saint to Latter-day Ain’t had a few gems.
I suppose the weirdest experience was when I was 13 or so and my mom had left the church for her childhood religion of Episcopalianism, which is the American branch of the Church of England which was founded because the pope wouldn’t let Henry VIII divorce his 4th wife. She showed me a cartoon, narrated by a guy that sounded like yokel Leonard Nimoy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3BqLZ8UoZk
The cartoon breathlessly explained how just how crazy and awful Mormon Space Christianity is, as compared to the perfectly sensible talking snake and rising from the dead regular Christianity. This was about 5 years after I had decided Mormonism was nonsense as based on the fact there was zero archaeological evidence for any of the events described in the Book of Mormon.
No matter. I still had to go church for the next 2 years. I could pick either the Mormon Church or the I Can’t Believe It’s Not Catholicism one. I usually went to the second one because my mom would bribe me with Taco Bell.
In the end, I was victorious. I read the Bible cover to cover when I was 15 and convinced my parents there was no longer anything I could learn from going to church, so they stopped forcing me to go. By the time the noticed me reading things like The Age of Reason, my parents basically figured there was no point on pushing religion on me. They took it well though. I refrained from criticizing religion around them, and in return, they bought me Life of Brian for my birthday when I was 18. Fast forward to age 26, they’re cool with me spending Christmas Eve getting drunk and watching Planet of the Apes.
How I hated church. I spend 40 hours a week sitting in a chair and listening to someone talk, and then I my day off I have to spend another 3 hours sitting on a bench and listening to someone talk.
On the plus side, at least I never wasted any time being a missionary. From various lapsed Mormons I have talked to, it mostly involves spending 2 years wearing a suit everyday and feeling guilty about masturbating. Oh yeah, and the magic underwear.
I became a much happier man when I chose to be entertained by stupidity rather than suffer from it.
So you suffered from the religious derp as a child also? I was constantly tortured by fundy protestants for almost my entire childhood. In Particular, Baptists of the southern variety, and their crazier cousins, Pentecostals. Did you know that if you ever even touch alcohol or if you don’t get a haircut, you’re going to hell and you’re going to hell anyway, because? And there was no escape until I got old enough that I could just refuse to be forced to go attend this batshit insane bullshit and finally moved out on my own. I tell people some of the crazy fucking shit I experienced and they don’t even believe me. Yeah, well you have to be there. And yet, I still defend these folks because they have to leave me alone now and they haven’t tried or even said they’re going to blow me up. Stay away from me, you loons, and it’s all cool.
Hell isn’t a thing in Mormonism. The closest thing is Spirit Prison. Yes, that’s the actual name. Mormons are not good at creative names.
I’ve heard stories of kids being threatened with being disowned for not going on a mission or jumping through some other Mormon hoop, but in general it appears that they accept that the ones that stay will compensate for the ones that leave with that famous Mormon fertility. One of my Mormon cousins has 8 kids. That cousin’s father has 4 kids and 16 grandkids.
Alcohol is also a Romper Room no-no for LDS. Anecdotally, my brother, my sister and me were all raised Mormon and all of us drink now. I held out the longest. Didn’t touch a drop til I was 21, and that was because it was my birthday and my favorite restaurant (Long John Silver’s) had burned down. As I surveyed the charred ruins, I muttered “fuck it, it’s time” and made a b-line to the nearest supermarket and bought the cheapest wine they had. The story of what happened next is an epic one which I may share at another time. That story is part of my secret stash.
Here’s the official line on Spirit Prison:
http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Spirit_Prison
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In Latter-day Saint doctrine the “spirit prison” is both a condition and a place within the postearthly spirit world. One “imprisons” himself or herself through unbelief or through willful disobedience of God. In such circumstances, one’s opportunities in the afterlife will be limited.
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Limited opportunities?! Oooh, I’m really scared now. Those limited opportunities include being forced to wander the earth as a ghost, which doesn’t sound so bad actually.
Like I said- lame.
Well, at least they allowed for you guys to get infinite pussy. Getting any pussy except for one marriage forever, would also send you to the eternal hell with the fundies.
That’s weird, I still fucking love Long John Silvers and the only ones in Maryland are places you do not go to or are so far West I can’t go there.
I shared one of my epic religioderp stories on Reason once. It was my first experience when my Baptist church was having a revival or whatever the fuck they called it and we visited a rural Pentacostal Church. Holy fucking mother of derp. I think that actually freaked some people the fuck out or they didn’t believe it, but it’s all too true.
I’ll have to repost it here when the topic comes up again. I definitely will never forget that.
I had Sister in law who attended BYU, and by her accounts the SLC sorority chicks were you’re standard sorority chicks partying chicks getting shitfaced . The non-Utah Sorority Chicks were a buzzkill trying to be more Mormon than thee.
OT:
About 1,000 people have been killed in jihad attacks during the first half of this year’s Ramadan. Some deplorable wrote:
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The death toll in the first 14 days of holiest month for Muslims has reached a grim milestone: more than 70 attacks in 21 predominantly Muslim countries have yielded an estimated 1,003 fatalities and 1,036 injuries.
With more than half of the month leftover, this year’s Ramadan is already the bloodiest in recent memory, far surpassing the 421 deaths and 729 injuries that took place during the same period in 2016, considered the deadliest Ramadan in years.
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If they keep it up, they’re going to pass up both Chicago and Baltimore.
So how is it that we’ve not yet figured out that you just have to let these people keep busy killing each other?
You know? Seriously. I’m so over America deciding that it’s our job to fix the planet. When the fuck did that even happen? Sheet WWIII when we decided that everyone else couldn’t be trusted to keep the peace so we will?
Seriously, can we stop already, with spending more on our military than the next three countries combined?
I mean, America’s great and all: the bestest ever actually. But why is the Sunni/Shia conflict any of our business? Seriously, if ISIS controlled the equivalent of WWI Turkey, would it affect us at all? I mean, at all? Even a little bit?
The Sunni are like 90% of the Islamic world, just go with them. Get our troops out of the area. Things will happen; innocent and guilty people will both die, just like now. But maybe, maybe, if the West stopped interfering, these people would have an incentive to figure out peace?
There are basic 3 rules for getting involved in foreign civil wars:
1. Don’t.
2. Failing 1, pick a side.
3. Make sure your side wins.
There is no point in fighting a war just hard enough not to lose.
Exactly. We were warned against foreign intervention; apparently the founding fathers never imagined that they would need to record, for posterity, the advice that, if you’re in a war, you should try to win it.
“There is no point in fighting a war just hard enough not to lose.”
See: Vietnamese Civil War; American involvement in…
“When the fuck did that even happen?”
I don’t even know, Denver. But as far as I know, we’ve been fucking around in the middle east since the 50s. I’m not sure what good has come of it. I’d like for someone to actually try to convince me how it’s been anything other than a total disaster.
Our policy should be ‘Don’t fuck with us and we’ll leave you alone. If you do decide to fuck with us, we will fuck you up without mercy and we’re not bluffing’. I don’t think there’s anyone in power today who agrees with that besides Rand Paul or Amash or Massie. The Democrats are total war mongers now even if it’s the GOP who are doing it.
Yes. The reason countries like Japan are so peaceful today is because they know what it is like to be on the receiving end of strategic bombing and mechanized warfare, with dozens of cities in ruins and millions of casualties.
People are often jerks until they get their asses kicked.
I was reading the other day that the Pentagon was asking for, and i believe got, authorization to move move more troops into Afghanistan. We invaded Afghanistan when i was in the 8th grade. I turned 30 last week. Is this shit ever going to end. There’s no way to know what the objective over there even is because the war has no definable objectives. We just spend money and lives with no end in sight.
That’s crazy, dude. So, I’m older; i remember yelling at the TV to President Bush that he didn’t have the authority to declare war.
I was unemployed and drunk, so sleeping very late, on 9/11.
Huh. There is an entire generation of adults who have never known a time when the USA wasn’t at war.
Drugs: what’s for dinner.
No, no matter who is president. Trump was actually the only guy who even talked about anything more peaceful in decades and both the left and what there is left of the right media, crucified him over it. The military industrial complex is too powerful. Have you ever been to NOVA? It’s the most opulently wealthy place I have even been in my life and I’m pretty well traveled. The 4 most wealthiest counties in the country are in VA and MD near DC. It’s like NOVA is Panem for real. Now we have 2 forever wars on our hands. The war on terror and the war on drugs. Both of which are terrors in their own right.
I was hopeful Trump was sincere with his talk about not intervening in foreign affairs. I want us out of every conflict that we are currently mired in. Trump may have been sincere, but something changed after he got into office. The deep state sounds like a kooky conspiracy nut term, but i believe in it. There are powerful groups of bureaucrats who pull the strings in Washington. They are unelected and unaccountable and self-serving.
I think a big part of why its this way is because of how much our Fed Gov tries to do. A President is in charge of such a huge organization that there is now way to micromanage it to suit his tastes. There is too much. All a president can do is gather information to act on from his advisers. All his advisers can do is gather information from the bureaucrats to form their opinions. The bureaucrats can make up what the hell ever they want to make their own particular issue seem all important and vital and necessary.
Hell, we were fucking around in Afghanistan when I was in eighth grade, and I turned 50 last year. We were helping the mujahedeen rebel against the Soviets.
That’s where we should build a wall. Just enclose the entire country and let them kill each other. I don’t think they make anything the world can’t live without.
derp
you may already be aware of this guy Fleccas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dqz-r30_e48
he strikes me as a derp-miner of your caliber
I think I saw him once on a Rebel Media video. Good stuff, many thanks.
I believe his first 15mins of fame were trying to hand out cans of pepsi @ the Berkeley riots.
since then he’s expanded his “trolling protestors” repertoire
Some things really are because of the Iraq War, and much of the violence between Muslims is ultimately a function of that war.
There are only a couple of dots to connect.
Dot One: when Al Qaeda in Iraq broke with Al Qaeda and became ISIS, it was over the issue of Al Qaeda in Iraq targeting Shia. Osama bin Laden was very much against that, and his break with Zarqawi and Al Qaeda in Iraq was over the issue of them targeting Shia civilians. After the break is more or less when AQI became ISIS.
Dot Two: Zarqawi and AQI would have been nothing without the U.S. invasion of Iraq. They only came to prominence as a huge part of the insurgency.
One might argue that when the Arab Spring came to Syria, there would have been inter-Muslim violence anyway, but all the minority religions (including Christians) were backing Assad in the hope of stability. If AQI (which became ISIS) hadn’t been fully operational when the Arab Spring came to Syria and scared the shit out of Iran, they probably wouldn’t have suddenly become suddenly operation and prolific without having coalesced around the insurgency in Iraq and resistance to American occupation.
The civil war we were worried about breaking out if we withdrew happened anyway–it rose up against our presence there as well as our withdrawal. The Pottery Barn rule Colin Powell warned us about is in full effect. This problem wasn’t only foreseeable; it was also foreseen. The reasons not to topple Saddam Hussein in 1991 were still excellent reasons not to topple Saddam Hussein in 2003.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz1Jwyxd4tE
I assume this is just a teaser for the forthcoming = “History of the World, In Dots“
It’s also a coloring book.