From the Staff: By popular demand (or at least a couple of vague questions about it) we will be presenting a (somewhere between weekly and sporadically) column on the soccer, or football as most of the world calls it. Also, to keep it really interesting, we will also include Australian Rules Football and Rugby Football. First up is…
Euro Futbol! And a lesson in Spanish tax compliance.
It’s silly season in European football. Sillier than normal so far, because thanks to a new TV deal, Premier League clubs have more money than ever, and they’re spending it left and right. Manchester City spent £35 million to replace a keeper they bought for £17 million last season (after it took about 3 games to realize he sucked). Outside of England, not much is going on, though there are lots of big money rumors. Makes sense, because the transfer window (the period during which player transfers are allowed to take place) doesn’t start until July 1.
Even though it’s mid-June, the first qualifying round for the UEFA Champions League starts in a week, featuring teams from countries where you could probably get onto a top division club if you wanted to.
Champions League, First Qualifying Round (First games June 27/28, second games July 4/5)
Víkingur (Faroe Islands) v Trepça ’89 (Kosovo)
Hibernians (Malta) v FCI Tallinn (Estonia)
Alashkert (Armenia) v FC Santa Coloma (Andorra)
The New Saints (Wales) v Europa (Gibraltar)
Linfield (Northern Ireland) v La Fiorita (San Marino)
Expect each of the victors to lose to bigger opponents in the Second Qualifying Round.
Since not much is going on, we’ll go to an actual libertarian subject: Taxes. More specifically, the Spanish government prosecutions of Lionel Messi, Neymar, Cristiano Ronaldo, and possibly Jose Mourinho for tax evasion.
Under Spanish law, individuals who spend 183 days or more in a year in Spain are considered to be residents for tax purposes. Since footballers would naturally spend more than 183 days a year in Spain, they became residents for tax purposes (even if their true home was elsewhere), and thus owed Spanish tax on their worldwide income.
In 2005, the Spanish government approved Royal Decree 687/2005, which allowed a foreign resident who has relocated to Spain from another country the choice of being taxed as a Spanish resident or non-Spanish resident. The choice was valid for five years. By choosing to be taxed as a non-Spanish resident, such individuals could avoid Spanish tax on their worldwide income, paying Spanish tax only on income actually earned in Spain. This came to be known as the “Beckham Law” because the first foreign individual to take advantage of it was David Beckham, after his move from Manchester United to Real Madrid.
What all of this meant was that such individuals would not pay Spanish tax on their non-Spanish derived income and would pay a 24% tax rate on their Spanish income, as compared to the 24 to 43% progressive rate paid by Spanish residents. The law also disallowed deductions, meaning it was only applicable to higher net-worth individuals.
In November 2009, the Spanish government reversed the law, and individuals entering Spain after January 1, 2010 would not be able to benefit from the law. The law was fully repealed by 2014. Higher net worth individuals, of course, looked for ways to reduce their tax burdens.
Lionel Messi, who had entered Spain before he law had taken effect, was the first to face prosecution for tax evasion (or tax fraud, according to Spanish authorities). According to the Spanish prosecutors, Messi and his father had used companies in Belize and Uruguay to sell his image rights, thus hiding the income from Spanish authorities. Messi and his father were thus accused of hiding €4.1 million in income from Spain as a result. Messi ended up paying €5.1 million in back taxes, was convicted of tax fraud and sentenced to 21 months in prison (suspended, because all Spanish prison sentences under 2 years are automatically suspended where the individual does not have a prior record) and paid another €1.7 million in fines.
Neymar’s case has less to do with taxes and more to do with an outright fraud case, though taxes do play a part. When Neymar moved from FC Santos to Barcelona, the transfer fee was a reported €17.1 million. At the time, 40% of the ownership of Neymar was in the hands of DIS Esporte, a Brazilian investment group. As such, they were entitled to 40% of the fee, or €6.8 million. The accusation, however, is that an additional €40 million fee was classified as a wage instead of a transfer fee. This had the effect of reducing Barcelona’s tax burden (for which they’ve already paid a €5.5 million fine) and potentially defrauding DIS of an additional 40% cut from that €40 million. Like Messi, Neymar is unlikely to see prison even when he’s convicted.
Cristiano Ronaldo, who moved from Manchester United to Real Madrid in 2009, is now facing a similar fate to Messi. Ronaldo’s lawyers claim that, since he entered the country before the termination of the law, he had the right to protection under the Beckham Law. Ronaldo, according to Spanish prosecutors, was paid €153 million in December 2014 – just before the full repeal of the Beckham Law – for image rights for a future time period, 2015 to 2020, where the Beckham Law would not be in effect and the tax burden would be higher. Ronaldo fully paid his required taxes on that amount. Again, like Messi and Neymar, he’s unlikely to face prison even if convicted.
And now this week, Jose Mourinho has been accused of a similar fraud, with Spanish prosecutors accusing him of evading €3.3 million in taxes between 2011 and 2012.
But back to Ronaldo, this has him fed up with Spain, and there are rumors abound that he could be headed back to England and Manchester United for a ridiculous sum (£175 million plus £60 million rated goalkeeper David de Gea according to one rumor). Outside of very famed clubs (Barcelona, Madrid, Paris St. Germain), players are seemingly starting to become more interested in heading to England (or Monaco) than to Spain and France, because of the tax burdens their footballing income create.
I’ll try to end every one of these columns with a footballing quote. This one comes from the greatest manager in football history, Bill Shankly. On football and on the Merseyside derby.
I’ve seen supporters on Merseyside going to the ground together, one wearing red and white and the other blue and white, which is unusual elsewhere. You get families in Liverpool in which half support Liverpool and the other half Everton. They support rival teams but they have the same temperament and they know each other. They are unique in the sense that their rivalry is so great but there is no real aggro between them. This is quite amazing.
I am not saying they love each other. Oh, no. Football is not a matter of life and death … it’s much more important than that. And it’s more important to them than that. But I’ve never seen a fight at a derby game. Shouting and bawling … yes. But they don’t fight each other. And that says a lot for them.
There’s a lot more players involved, by the way, but these are the three biggest stars in Spanish football (and possibly in worldwide football) with the biggest numbers. Angel di Maria paid a 2 million euro fine this week (though he’s playing in Paris now) for the same thing. There are other multiple other players whom the authorities are going after for lesser amounts.
So is Spain trying to do a “1970s Sweden” and chase away all high earning talent that has the ability to leave?
When charged with tax evasion, do soccer players suddenly throw themselves to the ground and writhe in pain?
lol.
*applause*
ANNOUNCER: “Taaaaaaax breeeeeeek!”
Alternate joke: “Goooooooooo directly to jail!”
“Ausstralian rules football”
The goal is actually a web woven by a giant spider. Not only do you have to get the ball in the web, but you have to get it out again before you get eaten.”
Crikey!
The spider is probably Shelob’s cousin Sheila.
By the way, when J. R. R. Tolkien was about 4, he got bitten by a South African tarantula (or baboon spider?) – leading to one of literature’s great debates – did this experience influence his later work?
“He *swore* he didn’t have a spider phobia and the experience had nothing to do with the man-eating giant spiders in *The Hobbit,* the even more giant and even more man-eating spider in *Lord of the Rings,* or the unholy eldritch spider from outside creation that plunged the world into darkness and made literal Satan scream like a little kid in the Silmarillion. Very few people believe him.”
Phobias are irrational fears. Being afraid of spiders the size of a house is the height of rationality.
Meh. I have a .45 caliber rifle for that. The one that scares me is 1/4″ long and nocturnal.
Also, it’s real.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_recluse_spider
Fuck fiddlebacks. I found three of the assholes last time I cleaned my attic.
I decided to spend the weekend at my parents and fogged the place.
And lives in your house. Where you sleep.
Creepy little fuckers.
Yeah? See, now it’s gonna bug me until I fog mine again. I have a few bombs in the garage left over from last time.
*shudder*
I used to have a spider phobia. Tucson is just covered up in spiders, too – every tarantula ever invented, it seems, wolf spiders which grow to ridiculous sizes and are fast (and jumpy, as in can jump a looong way), etc. Oddly, moving to Tucson cured me of my spider phobia.
Because when you have as many scorpions as we do, spiders aren’t so scary any more.
One of many reasons I love winter. Snow takes care of so many more problems than it causes.
Oh hell yeah. I hate bugs.
+1 cleansing power of -20
Nice.
This should help rein in the drop bear population.
It’s not a ball. It’s a platypus egg.
I would love to see all four of them do jail time, just because.
Mourinho for sure.
He and Chelsea should have been banned for what they did to Anders Frisk.
Sepp Herberger is the greatest manager of all time. And he had some great quotes, too.
Man, what’s this pinko Commie shit doing on a libertarian site? For shame.
I started a Twitter page called @ScarletAndGlib if any Glibs want to join in and tweet college football this fall. I thought it would be a good place to meet, without shitting up the threads here. It has a certain tOSU bias, sure, but I would prefer a more general college ? hangout. Live tweet games, college football whiparound, libertarian hangout. Fuck Michigan.
I would participate, but I’m a UVA alum and not a masochist.
I was just thinking today I might write a weekly college football preview for this site if they would take it.
Part of it would be to intentionally ignore the BigInt.
Send your pitch to the submissions link!
I will, I just thought of it this morning. I have two months to get it worked out.
Id join in if youre looking for help
Probably.
So it will get there right after your second Single Land Tax post and just in time for the Championship game?
I got a New Testament post in.
The land tax one is hard. My motivation is weak on it.
Finish it. I have a satirical rebuttal for it that I want to submit, but it won’t make sense until at least part 2 of your land tax is out.
Rubbing everyone’s noses in how right you are isn’t motivation enough? I mean, some of these ne’er-do-wells prefer tariffs, for crying out loud!
I’m being facetious, of course. Write at your own leisure. I was just looking forward to your piece. I like the idea of it and I’m always into reading another perspective.
How about a cfb saturday thread? Then 1000 comments of trash talking commentary?
Better have the longer section of your article, probably above the links, be pics of the cheerleaders…
I was thinking a food/drink section.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3HebsWpZ1Q
I like the guy who gets thumped on the ear.
Appropriate:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2b0GNwuNMDc
Accurate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07mBfR8erMY
Canadian special forces sniper takes out Taliban soldier from over two miles away.
Reading fail: ISIS soldier.
The furthest sniper kill by an American was a Taliban soldier.
I don’t think so.
Damn, that’s an unbelievable shot.
Wow. I have to hand it to the Canukistanis – them boys can shoot. Three of the five longest confirmed kills on record.
Markshmanship is highly valued in Canadian Forces. In WW1, we sent in our troops with an unreliable, overlong, finicky weapon absolutely unsuited for trench warfare but, by God, it was accurate, and marksmen kept it despite Lee-Enfield’s superiority in every other area.
Everybody brought their target rifles to that party. Some – like the U.S. Marines and the Canadians could use them to their potential. Others (Frenchies, cough, cough) couldn’t.
Wait, we bagging on Lebel? It was a revolutionary weapon, whose main flaw was that it started a generational change in rifles, which meant it was surpassed by later developed models, but was already built in too large a number to ditch when the shooting started.
Ross rifle may have been the worst weapon mass-issued to any army of the war. “Our rifle has issues in muddy conditions, but is otherwise fine – let’s arm tens of thousand and send them into Flanders!”
When your budget is as low as ours you learn to make your ammunition count.
“One shot – one kill is not a high fighting standard for our soldiers to strive to achieve – it is a budgetary guideline!”
That is interesting. Most people are not aware of what firearms are capable of.
A buddy of mine used to shoot a McMillan in 50BMG. His club competed shooting 12″ bulls eyes at 1, 1.5, and 2 miles. Of course those are paper, not moving and dont shoot back. Still a remarkable feat.
Hats off to Mr. Canadian Sniper.
Is the spotter there to confirm or is he like a sniper caddy?
More like a caddy crossed with a math professor. The spotter finds the target, analyses the current conditions, distance to target, etc. and advises on the proper adjustments that need to be made to the snipers scope and such to allow the sniper to make the shot.
The spotter is pretty critical. Double-checks windspeed and distance/elevation, the calcs for adjusting the hold and (probably most importantly), splits the “glassing” duty with the sniper to minimize eye fatigue and increase target acquisition. I think (depending on the army/unit) they can be snipers, too.
In Marine Scout Sniper platoons, both the shooter and the spotter are qualified snipers. According to a friend who was a Scout Sniper platoon leader, some spotters end up spotting permanently, other platoons choose to rotate snipers and spotters periodically.
I failed to mention…they were shooting rail guns, not hand held rifles. He could easily put 5 inside the bullseye at 1 mile.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GkH8PmXYLI
Pfft, I could wipe out a whole grid square with a railgun!
to me that seems basically like a drag race. It has absolutely nothing to do with personal skill and everything to do with the design, engineering, and preparation leading up to the match.
NTTAWWT
Have you ever seen a drag driver miss a shift?
At what? Their job at Starbucks?
I’ve often described benchrest as “competitive handloading.”
That said, I’m perfectly willing to crib from their work when building my own handloads, so there you go. *tips glass to benchresters*
shooting rail guns
*thinks about my heavily modified gauss rifle in Fallout 4…*
*thinks about closing tags correctly…*
:HAIL EDIT FAIRY!!:
The spotter is there is nod and agree when the sniper starts telling stories in the bar.
“No shit, there I was…”
I am always impressed by people who are consistent long-range shooters. My range for taking a shot at an animal runs out around 300 yards or so, and I have a sub-MOA .300 Win Mag. And I won’t take a shot (at any distance) at a moving animal. I think the last animal I shot on the move was a bobcat (strolling) at about 80 yards or so.
Same here RC. I mostly shoot iron sights and my eyes aren’t what they used to be. The last deer I shot was 40 yards and walking slowly. .375 Winchester in a ’94 standing with the rifle leaning on a tree. I am just not the shot I used to be.
I have a nice Ruger no.1 in 7mmRem Mag that can easily take targets at 1000 yds but it mostly stays in the safe. I just shoot it for fun. I wouldn’t take a shot at a critter outside 300 yds.
I’m crap over iron sights with a rifle, and oddly good with them on a pistol. Love me a red-dot when I’m not using a scope on my rifles. The best thing about red-dot sights, IMO, is that you can shoot them with both eyes open and the scope disappears and all you see is a red dot floating where the bullet will hit. I’ve got a low-magnification ACOG on my M1A, and I can do the same thing with it (can’t recall how much magnification it has – 3x?, but it can be kinda weird).
The .300 is a pig to carry. Its a Remington Sendero model with a heavy barrel (fluted, which probably took a pound off of it) that is 26″ long, maybe 28″, if memory serves. They don’t do the heavy barrels any more, I don’t think. .300s use relatively slow powder (hence, the long barrel), but that means they aren’t picky about the ammo you feed them and the recoil is quite managable (especially when the rifle weighs a ton like mine). My longest successful shot with it was around 450 yards, at a feral hog. My best day at the range was 10 shots in a row inside of a quarter – the gun is a better shot than I am, by a mile. I usually clock in at 1.5 – 2 inch groups off my hunting sticks at 100 yards.
“…the gun is a better shot than I am,…”
*sigh*
Yep.
I suppose it just about had to be a .50 BMG rifle. I wonder how high he had to hold, and the angle the bullet was going when it hit.
Well, here’s a rough estimation of the drop. Yeah, he would be aiming pretty damned high.
Over 600 feet of bullet drop? Holy shit. And traveling at roughly a 45 degree angle at the end.
Not sure if that is the ammo he used. But yeah, that’s about the limit for .50 cal. Any farther and they’ll need more aerodynamic bullets or wings on them.
Or be the bullet from the Korn video (to silly to link).
True. It was the only .50 option on the calculator, which is why I said it was a rough estimate.
Even if its half that, its still “holy shit” in my book. I’ve never taken a shot that I had to hold more than a foot high, and for most of my shooting, the drop is barely enough to even worry about with the .300 ( around 5″ at 300 yards with the ammo I shoot and my scope sighted in).
Well now I want a Tac-50. Thanks, CS.
I wonder if the bullet had ‘Sorry boot dat’ written on it.
I’ve never seen a fight at a derby game. Shouting and bawling … yes. But they don’t fight each other. And that says a lot for them.
I’ve always liked the joke that England is known for two sports, football, a gentlemen’s game played by hooligans, and rugby, a hooligan’s game played by gentlemen.
That is so true. Aussie Rules falls on the rugby side of that too – and the umpires let a lot of pushing and shoving go, because it’s all playful. I think soccer would be improved by not punishing every slightest touch or narrowed gaze.
The one thing I like about Aussie Rules (and generally for rugby as well) is you can absolutely not make contact with an official or verbally assault them. There was a Rules player back in the 1980s who banged heads with an official (it wasn’t a full on headbutt) and got 20 games (the season then was 22 games long).
Yeah, I think that should go without saying. But 20 games?! Wow. In soccer that would get you maybe 5 games.
Should go without saying but the way players mill around officials in soccer, basketball, NFL I’ve never seen happen in Aussie Rules, rugby, or league.
The NFL will let them jaw a little from a distance but if they get in a ref’s face, they will get tossed out.
Good point. And they may get fined, but it’s pretty rare to be suspended?
OK, just checked. The player was Phil Carman and he was a pretty big name (IOW they weren’t dumping on a no name). He got 16 weeks for contact with the umpire and 4 weeks for punching an opposing player in the same episode.
Yes! I have emerged from rucks and mauls that become fist-fights with biting and gouging. The first thing anyone said to the ref was “excuse me, sir”.
Yeah… “shut up and listen to the sir!” seemed to be a common rebuke from our captain when we played bitter rivals.
Soccer would be improved by handing out lots of yellow cards for diving.
(Fuck you, Arjen Robben.)
Longer version:
“Soccer is a gentleman’s game played by thugs. Rugby league is a thug’s game played by thugs. Rugby Union is a thug’s game played by gentlemen.”
I have tried to learn the difference between league and union but it didn’t sink in. I think one has the scrum and the other one doesn’t?
ALL WILL BE REVEALED IN NEXT WEEK’S THRILLING INSTALLMENT.
The glory of union will be revealed for all to see! And some words about league.
League is far superior to union, which is a punt fest.
If american football were banned in the US, I think we could replace it with rugby league and everyone would continue on just fine.
The US Rugby League team is ranked #10 in the world and will be playing in the 2017 World Cup.
League is for people who are afraid of too much physical contact – “Ewwww, a ruck, I might get my hair mussed!!!!”
Me neither. And the damn Olympics put n rugby 8’s – which to me is just practice designed to make the scrum run more and force the backs to stick their heads in a ruck once in a while.
Rugby 7s.
And league is now playing 9s which is even more odd. A full strength union team is 15 which they cut to 7 and a full strength league team is 13 which they cut to 9.
If the number isn’t 15, it’s practice to me and I quickly lose interest.
Currently listening
Endorsements:
– “What a wonderful soundtrack to listen to whilst studying the many facts and uses of seaweed.”
– “Great for sculpting the wrinkles on the chubby hands of a dwarf. Thank you”
– “damn this is sick. it reminds me of a command and conquer soundtrack.”
– “no this is not good”
Endorsements continued:
-“My nephew came in the room, stopped in front of the speakers, then he said, “Man, that is fleek!” I told him to go outside and play with the grizzly bear that’s been raiding Uncle Billy’s chicken coop.”
-“time stopped at the top, but I slowly crawled down on my hands and knees. its the receding dreams that carry through to the other side in flickers. living forever repeating over and over 10,000 years exponentially until infinite. but I remember what God has shown me.”
Fans of ambient music are such drama-queens.
Its not like the music is providing any drama.
I like a lot of it. Eno/orb/vangelis/to Aphex etc.
but its very popular with posturing-intellectual types who like to assert that unless you’re constantly transcending your material form and becoming conscious of the 11th dimension via this particular piece of music then well you just don’t get it. its like, “Mate, all he did was turn the reverb knob way up”
For your entertainment, gentleman
https://twitter.com/Jenn_Abrams/status/877578460310286336
This is what happens when you add the voice over of an old documentary about mental illness onto video of SJWs
http://www.barstoolsports.com/boston/wake-up-with-kristina-mikheeva/
Rejoice at this posterior
Ooooh, saving that for later. Maybe while sipping a little scotch. Some things need to be enjoyed classily.
A touch skinny, a little light on top…but I’d be graciously willing to overlook all that.
How about Gaelic Football? GAA Senior Football championship is currently going on. Watching the Ulster Semi-Finals this Saturday, Monaghan Vs. Down.
Gotta love rooting for a team that gives you an excuse to yell, “GO DOWN!”
You should include hurling.
Hurling looks painful. My shins have phantom pains when I watch it.
I saw a Gaelic/Aussie mash-up recently. Apparently they are very similar so they do a yearly event.
Yeah, I think they call it international rules. Aussie football has ball shaped more like a Rugby ball and Gaelic’s is round and looks like a Volleyball. I think the Aussie field is round? I’ve never seen the combination game and I don’t know as much about Aussie Football, but I’d like to check them out.
Yes, footy is played on cricket grounds with an oblong ball. For the mashup they use the Gaelic ball on the Aussie grounds and mix up other rules and so forth.
The Aussie field is usually an oval, which isn’t surprising, since it’s often played on cricket grounds.
I’ve been a player and fan of soccer all my life and I do find it funny that people who are not fans have to go to such lengths to prove how much they hate it (see many comments above). It’s not for everyone but why make such a big deal out of it? I personally find American football to be an absolute snooze fest (2 second running play, stand around for 2 minutes, 4 second passing play, 5 minutes of commercials etc.) and don’t even get me started on baseball. However, I certainly don’t need to clutch my pearls and throw myself on the ground and have a tantrum about how boring it is anytime anyone mentions it. It’s definitely some kind of cultural signaling.
PS: That’s not to say that I don’t absolutely HATE the injury faking. Worst part of the sport and needs to be punished much more harshly and consistently.
I played for about 15 years and rarely watched it even then. I’ve thought about taking it up again, though, because it’s so damn fun to play.
There has to be an indoor league you can join nearby?
I enjoy Soccer just fine and try to make all my home team’s home games, but I admit I’ve made snide comments about it, usually to people implying that Soccer is obviously superior to Football, more sophisticated somehow, Americans are idiots because we call it “Soccer”, etc… You gotta admit, Soccer fans, especially non-Americans and American hipster-fans (talk about cultural signaling), enjoy talking sh!t about American sports and Football especially.
Agreed. Hipsters and yuppies have ruined the sport for everyone
For sure. Signaling of any type raises my hackles. Watch a sport if you like it, don’t if you don’t. People have to drag politics and their own stupidity into everything.
Americans are idiots because we call it “Soccer”
This one drives me crazy. The word soccer is short for association football, in order to distinguish from rugby football.
Soccer and Rugby are thus the shorthand ways of identifying the two forms of football. Both words are of British origin.
Using “football” only makes sense in countries that don’t play Rugby, Aussie Rules or American.
And “soccer” became unfashionable in England only because it has snooty public-school connotations.
Started,supposedly, as a counter to rugger, for rugby, and part of the long tradition of British slang/nicknames that don’t make sense.
Preggers and champers have a similar pedigree.
George Will: “Football combines the two worst aspects of American society: violence & committee meetings.”
I can only speak for my own comment, but it was a joke. I don’t hate soccer. I don’t love it; I pretty much only watch around WC time, but I don’t hate it.
Maybe we just get defensive about “our” sports. Sometimes I get a little rankled about people dissing the NBA, I’ll admit.
Eh, it’s because soccer is more of a cultural divide in the US than it is in other countries. Rich white liberals are more apt to have their kids play soccer (it’s European!) than football (ermagawd- concussions!) or baseball (American jingoism!).
I played soccer when I was growing-up and use to play after college, too. My dad use to play soccer semi-professionally in Italy, so for me it was never associated with rich white liberals- it was associated with the immigrant communities of Poles, Greeks, and Italians around where I grew-up. I watch it when I can, but I still like football, too.
Sport is sport and there are a lot of good games to watch, except hockey, which is just soccer on ice (oh, our off-sides has a line!). Come at me!
ಠ_ಠ
I’m gonna assume that was a weak attempt at humor.
Yes, very weak
*puts gloves back on, picks up stick*
OK….this time.
Perhaps, but it’s true (and I say this as a newborn hockey fan.)
There are only two sports – American football and European football. Everything else is either a variation on one of the above, or else not a real sport.
I think hockey and lacrosse are closer to each other than the other sports.
I agree with you.
You’re very smart.
See also hurling, shinty,
They are, but both hockey and lacrosse are basically full-contact soccer with sticks. One up, the other on the rocks…
Correction: there are only two sports association football and rugby. They were one game until they broke from one another over ‘hacking’ and the use of hands. American football is a variant of ruby (American football originally forbade forward passing, just like rugby), therefore making American football the nephew of association football. Think about that
They are variation of the same sport.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSJRIKuNJBA&t=2s
Skip ahead to 3:50
“Gymnastics is not a sport because Romanians are good at it.”
Rich white liberals are more apt to have their kids play soccer
They play lacrosse.
I find it to be a regional thing, but lacrosse does generally smack of WASPiness.
the association of lacrosse with snooty, WASP private schools is a very very old and no-longer particularly true cliche
for many years the best talent in the sport came from Long Island, Rockland county, + upstate NY. all places where you had fairly low-income, modest white working class people with immigrant backgrounds. Not exactly deerfield and andover. There have always been some snooty schools which have produced a lot of talent, but the bulk come from places where the sport just has a very long history.
basically as the sport got more competitive, and players got bigger and faster, the WASP element got pushed out and the farm boys and ‘kids who might have played college football 30 years ago’ took over.
these days the sport is growing so fast that talent comes from all over the place. a lot more canadians as well (they were always present, but only at schools like SU or other upstate areas; now you find them on every team)
I remember from my elementary school days in Maryland it was big with all the snooty private schools. I played soccer personally, like a good upper middle class shitlord spawn.
Eh, there’s some truth to that, and it’s evolving in that direction, but in many areas it’s still mainly a prep school sport.
That’s in this country anyway. It never was a snooty sport in Canada.
I grew up in the Catskills, and Long Island has always had a connotation of upper-middle class to me.
You should spend more time on the LIRR
Depends on where on Long Island you’re talking about.
I don’t know how anyone who isn’t at least upper middle class can afford to live there anymore. My grandpa’s house is a small (1400 sf) Cape Cod in Massapequa Park, built in 1954 (he’s the only owner it’s ever had), and it’s valued at close to a half million.
Really? Most of the comments are about spiders, rugby, and snipers. This is about as civil a discussion I’ve ever seen about soccer.
Personally I can’t muster a single fuck to give about any sport, at least when it comes to watching rather than participating, so I stick to the spiders and snipers. Sports fans tend to get, well, fanatical about their particular sports. I’ve never seen the soccer bashing as being more out of line than any other bashing. Granted my eyes tend to glaze over and I spend most of my time fighting off sleep when sports discussions are taking place, so maybe I’ve missed something.
This crew is definitely more civil than most; just trying bringing soccer up on any sports forum not specifically geared to soccer. The hand-wringing, tantrum-throwing and name-calling is epic. Not that I care, I just find it interesting more than anything. People bashing the sport isn’t going to make me like it less.
Like I said, I find talking about sports incredibly dull, so I have no clue what would go on at a forum dedicated to sports. I was taking exception to the saying most comments were bashing on it.
I dislike soccer more than most other sports, but that is personal to me and I don’t blame the sport a whole for my dislike, and then extrapolate that everyone else should have the same tastes that I do. No one else was forced to sit through my sister’s terrible games for years on end.
Saying that most comments *here* were bashing on it.
Fair enough.
Well, sports fans are the worst thing about sports.
I had a sig for a while on a couple of sports forums that read:
Conference homers are the lowest form of fandom. That is why the SEC has so many of them.
I forgot about it and it almost got me banned when I posted on the Miss St forum. I thought it was hilarious that they thought it was directed at them. Which means it probably was.
I can’t watch pro soccer because the players act like a bunch of pussies, and that just kills it for me.
I’m a post-casual baseball fan, and I think the game is in need of some alterations:
1) Outlaw defensive shifts. Add lines in the infield to create defensive zones. You can move anywhere you want in your zone, but none of this “3rd baseman in short, shortstop over the 2nd base bag, 2nd baseman in the 4-hole, 1st baseman on his bag, etc. You want to stop a left-hand pull hitter from line driving you, bring your right fielder way in and take your chances.
2) De-juice baseball equipment. Let’s make bats a little bigger and thicker – it’s one of the reasons they break more often than in the old days. Let’s make the ball a little harder to hit out. Let’s move some of these fences back. I’d like to see more balls in play and fewer 20 homer guys. In the old days, a light-hitting shortstop could be a star; now he’s just a specialist.
3) Speed the motherfucking game up. The pitcher looks in. The catcher goes through the signs. The pitcher shakes them all off. Time called. There’s a conference on the mound. The batter steps out, fucks with his gloves for a good minute. Pitcher throws to first, no play. Ball goes back. Pitcher holds ball over his head, faking a throw over. Skipper comes out. FUCK!
4) Overhaul radio broadcasts. This has nothing to do with the game itself, but HOLY SHIT baseball on radio is atrocious. Maybe it’s better in other markets – we get Astros games down here and they are godawful. There’s long stretches of dead air. The announcers sound bored and also sound boring. They never update the score. In the age of the podcast, there’s no reason the game can’t be presented like one. Sure, there will be times where straight play-by-play will be called for, but all the rest of that time could be much better utilized. More guests, with an emphasis on the guest. The way they do it now, they’ll interrupt the interview to describe something rather mundane, like a pop fly in the infield. I’m thinking a baseball broadcast should use a three-man booth: a host, a play-by-play guy, and a color guy.
1) Outlaw defensive shifts. Add lines in the infield to create defensive zones. You can move anywhere you want in your zone, but none of this “3rd baseman in short, shortstop over the 2nd base bag, 2nd baseman in the 4-hole, 1st baseman on his bag, etc. You want to stop a left-hand pull hitter from line driving you, bring your right fielder way in and take your chances.
Learn to hit the ball the other damn way!
They’re too busy trying to hit the ball out of the park, and you can’t hit it out as easily going the other way. But if the game changes and it’s harder to hit the ball out, hitters will adjust.
And as I have said many times before, shorten the season. The second wild card game (while it has benefited the Orioles) needs to go as well. Let’s play 162 games only to play one more to see who should really advance in the playoffs.
With you on 1 and 3, not so much on 2. The shift is evil.
Minor league games (I go to a few of my hometown AA team’s games every year) have a pitch clock, and it serves its purpose nicely. MLB need this.
I am not a hater, but i think the answer is because it competes with the football season in HS.
So?
Other than kickers, are there any overlap between the two teams at all?
Sports fall into the big old bucket of de gustibus for me. You like playing/watching it, no skin off my nose, whether its cricket, football, NASCAR, or rhythmic gymnastics. Why would I slag something just because its not to my taste?
Do you even shitlord, bro?
Here, I think that comes with the territory. See: New Jersey, trains, etc.
OK, since I was the first one to make a snide comment: while it’s true, I don’t care for soccer, that’s not the reason I mock it. I mock entirely because large numbers of people in this country who talk about soccer do so simply because they think it gives them an air of cosmopolitan (“COSMOS!!1!”) sophistication simply because it remains a primarily foreign sport. That’s why I think so many of them ignore the MLS and yammer on about British or German teams – not because those are better league, but because they don’t bear the stigma of being American. The kind of millennial asshole wearing thick black framed glasses with one of those stupid scarves and skinny jeans. The Elizabeth Warren fan club, in short. They sniff condescendingly about American sports and how vulgar they are, prattle on about “the beautiful game”, insist on European affections like saying pitch and kit and level instead of field and uniform and tied.
It’s the SWPL of sports.
and don’t even get me started on baseball
Oddly enough I don’t think I could watch soccer if I wasn’t already a baseball fan. Both sports at times can drag on but both have appeal in the “anticipation” factor.
Aren’t there at least three kinds of football/rugby type sports in Australia. Some of them popular in certain parts of Australia but not in others. When I was there, I tried to figure out which one was which but totally failed. If one of the future installments could clarify the differences that wold be awesome.
“If one of the future installments could clarify the differences that wold be awesome.”
I believe you will get your wish.
At least 5.
Soccer, Rugby Union, Rugby League, Aussie Rules, and American.
All are played in Australia. I think.
GT recently had a very good defensive lineman that we recruited from down under.
American: very minor sport in Australia with limited media coverage. Sort of on the level of Australian football in the US.
I bet there are more Aussies playing pro American football in the US than there are Americans playing pro Aussie football in Australia.
In January I watched (sort of) an NFL playoff game on (Australian) Fox in Hobart.
Right, but soccer and American football are not exotic for me.
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Thanks. A good explanation.
Yeah, over half the AFL teams are based in Melbourne (The city furthest south on that map)
The first columns for Rugby(ies) & AFL will be explanatory, since while there are a lot of fans of those sports here, we figured there’d be a lot of people having WTF moments, too.
Speaking of soccer and matches that are presently airing… I have to wonder if the German national team is at all interested in competing any more.
Unlike Portugal and Chile, Germany hasn’t brought any of their major stars to this cup. It shows.
And other than the fact they brought their 3rd or 4th-string keeper I haven’t heard the talking heads make much of it.
Why risk injury for Confederations Cup? The cucks of cups.
I remember when Italy played in it; what a disaster. They clearly weren’t into it.
I thought that was the Europa League.
Especially now that CL failures parachute into the EL.
OT. I’m typing up a submission at work instead of the normal afternoon activity this late in the month, that is fuck off around here. For some reason I keep typing in the acronym EHR, but it keep autocorrecting to Her. “I’m with___” keeps coming to mind for some reason.
Riven, I should be done with Part 2 in a bit. I’ll send it your way after I proofread it tonight.
Electronic Health Records? Exception Handler Remover? English History Review?
The first one.
Figured, I recall you mentioning working at a hospital. I assume this is from the health care side, and not the IT side of things? I know both sides have plenty of issues.
I used to work for the insurance company CNA. EVERY time I typed it into Word, it would auto-correct to CAN, even in all caps.
https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Add-edit-or-turn-off-automatic-corrections-bd555e34-7863-4a9d-b15e-a9fdd24b8b16