Thursday Morning Links

The Astros won the home run derby last night. God, it was brutal to watch those guys throwing meatballs up there. But a win is a win.  Hey, speaking of wins, the Twins won too (see, I pay attention!).  But there were bigger things happening in the sports world. Like Tim Tebow going yard on his first day after moving up to high-A ball. An umpire did something good for a change. And the Rockets signed CP3 in what many pundits are calling a serious move against the Warriors for control of the west. I think its a bit premature to call it anything but shoring up an inadequate backcourt partner for Harden, but I’ll let the talking heads go apeshit like they always do with a big signing like this.

That’s really it. You guys will be getting (teaser alert!) a foreign sports ball update in a bit, so I won’t dive into anything else.  Which brings us to…the links!

Susan Rice

Poor Susan Rice. If it weren’t for racism and sexism, she’d have nothing to worry about.  Well, nothing except for the crimes she’s potentially committed by unlawfully getting the names of American citizens swept up in so-called terrorism investigations and leaking them all over the place in an attempt to smear political opponents in an attempt to influence elections. Poor gal. I hope she’s able to make it through the klan rally intelligence committee hearing without incident.

New York Times editors don’t like getting laid off. I guess they don’t understand how markets work…which would explain the overwhelming majority of their financial and economy pieces for the last decade or so.

Its been a little while since I linked to one, but Victor Davis Hanson is back, baby! And he’s on fire.

Woman to be deported. I will post without further comment because I want to know your reactions. But I might dive into the comments.

The Catholic Church still has a sex abuse issue. This time its going to the highest levels short of the Holy Father himself.

Herpes victim

Florida might have solved a herpes problem! Unfortunately, for many Floridians and Spring breakers, its not going to do them any good.

An appeal to millennials. Or an indictment of them. Take your pick.

That’s it for me. Go out there and give ’em hell today!

Comments

532 responses to “Thursday Morning Links”

  1. Lachowsky

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/28/lavoy-finicum-oregon-standoff-fbi-agent-charged-lying

    I remember when Finicum was first shot that there were rumors that his vehicle was fired upon before reaching the initial roadblock, and that is why he tried to flee in the first place.  The FBI officer here is being charged with felonies relating to lying about discharging his firearm.  Apparently he told the investigators that he didn’t shoot when in fact he had.  I wonder if he didn’t fire at Finicum prematurely, inciting Finicum to flee.  The shooting was declared legal, so it looks bad when there was a legal shooting, yet one of the officers felt the need to lie about discharging his firearm.  Something stinks. 

    1. Pat

      Watch the videos. They straight up murdered the guy.

      1. Lachowsky

        I agree. However, the shooting was determined to be justified by the authorities. If the shooting was determined to be justified, then why did the FBI agent lie about firing his weapon? FBI agents don’t lie to investigators for no reason. They lie because they have something to hide.

        1. WTF

          So he’s going to jail for lying to investigators, right? Because that’s what happens when peasants “lie” to the FBI.

          1. Lachowsky

            I certainly.hope so. I also hope that the legitimacy of the rational behind the shooting of Finicum is reexamined since there is now new evidence about the behavior of the FBI agents who killed him.

            I also hope for world peace and a libertarian society. I will start shitting in one hand and casting my hopes in the other now. I have a good idea about which hand will fill up first.

          2. Fatty Bolger

            He was actually killed by state troopers, not FBI agents.

          3. Fatty Bolger

            Martha Stewart got 5 months, plus two years probation, so I would expect no less in this case.

            But who are we kidding? Odds are that he won’t go to jail.

    2. PieInTheSKy

      He was an evil right wing extremist who got what was coming to him. Details are irrelevant.

  2. MikeS

    From the deportation story

    However, it’s not clear why police arrested her rather than just issue a citation, as officers often do when someone is found driving without a license

    A few paragraphs later:

    Police Lt. Frank Hart said the officer checked Montes’ name on her vehicle’s computer and found “an outstanding failure-to-appear warrant

    You’re right, it’s not clear.

    1. If I was in Mexico and got pulled over for no license plate, handed them my consular ID (useless) and they turned up an outstanding warrant, I can safely say I’d be in jail.

      I’m not always a big believer in telling people that if they don’t want any trouble, then don’t break the law. But in this case I feel ok saying it to this dumbass. Show up for your court dates in the first place, idiot.

      1. Brett L

        How about we split the difference? Cops shouldn’t be stopping people for missing license plates (absent a stolen vehicle report fitting the description) and small mechanical failures. But, yes, she was here illegally for 14 years. Although I propose we should have a 10 years squatter policy on immigration. If you can keep away from the cops and La Migra for 10 years, here’s a green card.

        1. Old Man With Candy

          Invoke the doctrine of adverse possession.

          1. {|}===[|}:;:;:;:;:;:;:>

            Which is fine as to real property, but I don’t see extending that to citizenship – which is purely a creation of statute.

        2. But she didn’t. She had an order from 2003 that she chose to ignore. And our government chose to ignore those orders for 8 years.
          Sorry, but she’s got to go. And we have to end this anchor baby citizenship policy and the family link lottery it results in for the baby’s entire family.
          Once we do that, we can establish a much more open legal immigration system where people can come here and work…without getting all sorts of welfare.

          1. Brett L

            Well, I think she exhausted all her legal ways to stay in the country in 2003. A previous version of the comment mentioned that it might not save this particular woman, but I had to work and come back.

          2. I’ve always been in favor of limiting birthright citizenship to persons who have at least one citizen parent at birth. Anyone else has to apply as a foreigner. I don’t care if they were whelped on our soil, they’re still citizens of their parents’ home countries

          3. Juice

            Interesting how immigration gets so many “libertarians” interested in enforcing laws for victimless crimes.

            Sorry, but she’s got to go.

            Why? Who has she harmed?

          4. She harmed the people in line to come here by jumping over them. She harmed the people whose kids got less education money allocated to them because hers did. She harmed the people who have to pay more for health care if she went and had hers in a hospital without insurance and didn’t pay.
            I assume at some time during her least decade and a half here, she became aware of our immigration policies and was in a position to become a legal resident alien. She chose not to. She fucked over every person still waiting on the other side of the border to get here the right way.

          5. mr simple

            She harmed the people in line to come here by jumping over them.
            It’s a terrible system that needs to be reformed and nothing she did hurt anyone’s place in line.

            She harmed the people whose kids got less education money allocated to them because hers did.
            That’s not how money is allocated in the US and how it is allocated is mostly retarded. We should get rid of public school. She or her husband also probably paid property taxes, among other taxes, that go to paying for school.

            She harmed the people who have to pay more for health care if she went and had hers in a hospital without insurance and didn’t pay.
            We don’t know how she got medical care for herself or her family, but cost shifting due to emergency room use greatly pales in comparison to the cost shifting due to government insurance programs.

            I’m not that upset about her being arrested as there was a warrant out for her arrest, but neither am I upset about people ignoring onerous and harmful laws. You just do so with the knowledge that you might have to face the consequences.

          6. But when taken in aggregate, all the fence- and line-jumpers do affect the place of those waiting. Because all of the illegals here prevent us from ramping up our legal programs that will fill our immigration needs just fine if allowed to ebb and flow as the market does the same.
            And I’d much rather have a robust legal immigration system as opposed to millions of people scamming on various fake IDs, wrecking cars without insurance and just assuming their next alias, collecting welfare benefits from my tax dollars and spreading third world lifestyle and values because they live in the shadows rather than being a part of our open society.

          7. mr simple

            Fair enough. I’m just saying it’s a symptom of a larger problem that is caused by the government, through immigration policy and welfare policy, which should be our focus. These people are just reacting to the situation in the way they see is best. I’d say even if she is deported, she ended up better off than if she would have stayed; I can’t really say compared to attempting legal immigration.

          8. R C Dean

            Why? Who has she harmed?

            I find it highly unlikely that she has paid more taxes than she and her offspring have consumed. I don’t know her situation, but I think the odds are (based on my anecdotal observation of illegal aliens less than 90 miles from the border for over ten years now) that she has a fake ID and has been collecting various forms of welfare (Medicaid, food stamps) and tax funded services (schools, who knows what else).

          9. wdalasio

            Wait, nobody told me Shika was following everyone over here!

          10. No, Juice brings up a good point.
            And I think his views and those of me and a few others in here show the various views on immigration that exist along the libertarian spectrum. What’s sad is when people pull out the “you can’t be a libertarian unless you’re for totally open borders” card and refuse to admit there are multiple sides to the issue.

          11. wdalasio

            people pull out the “you can’t be a libertarian unless you’re for totally open borders” card

            which is what incurred the bit of snark on my part.

          12. {|}===[|}:;:;:;:;:;:;:>

            Collectively, the people of the United States by trespassing against our property. Common law trespass does not require knowledge or intent, the act itself is the harm. She was not granted license to enter and therefore we are, collectively, justified in using force to remove her.

          13. R C Dean

            For those of you seeking (technical) legal justification for the “US” to claim trespassing on “US” property, our property rights are “fee title” (short for “fief title”), not alloidal title, so the US as the sovereign maintains residual property rights in everything within its borders.

          14. {|}===[|}:;:;:;:;:;:;:>

            Is it weird that I wish we continued Livery of Seisin?

          15. Count Potato

            “And our government chose to ignore those orders for 8 years.”

            That’s the other part of the problem.

        3. R C Dean

          If you can keep away from the cops and La Migra for 10 years, here’s a green card.

          You get more of what you reward . . . .

          You are aware that illegals who are here for extended periods have fake (often stolen) IDs?

      2. stilljustcarol

        I’m not really very open minded about this kind of thing because my daughter was hit and seriously injured by a drunk illegal when she was sixteen. On top of the injuries the car she had saved up for was totaled and of course I didn’t have full coverage on it because it was an older POS that wasn’t worth full coverage but meant everything to her. But the illegal ended up just fine because he walked right out of the hospital when nobody was looking and was never seen again. I could write one hell of a rant but I will spare you all. The lady in the story is in the country illegally driving without a license or a tag and I’m supposed to feel sorry for her? Not going to happen. I don’t believe in the whole “birthright citizenship” thing either. I don’t think it is unreasonable for the cop to have ran her name under the circumstances (no license) and I don’t even know why this is a story.

        1. The Sleeper

          But doesn’t it make you feel bad that this is happening to her?

          1. {|}===[|}:;:;:;:;:;:;:>

            No . . . but, of course, I’m fueled by cofveve and hatred.

          2. stilljustcarol

            No, it really doesn’t.

      3. KSuellington

        You would likely not go to jail in Mexico for that. You would pay the “fine” directly to the cops involved. They make it very convenient there.

      4. wdalasio

        Show up for your court dates in the first place, idiot.

        As much as I sympathize with this woman, I have to agree with this. I’ve been told that the argument that they are violating the law just by being here illegally is not legitimate because, well, immigration laws aren’t really important laws anyway and these were otherwise law-abiding people. And okay, I can kinda sorta sympathize with that. Now, we’re getting told we need to give these people a pass on other laws because, if we don’t, they might get deported. Well, yeah, of course, if they’re breaking these other laws, pretty clearly they aren’t law-abiding people.

    2. leonadasiv

      That was my thought.

      As for the whole situation. I’d rather not Depot her if she had three kids who stay.

      1. MikeS

        “When she failed to appear before an immigration judge in November 2003, she was issued a final order of removal,”

        He said it was hard to explain to the couple’s 9-year-old son why his mom wasn’t coming back Monday night to tuck him into bed.

        She has at least one anchor baby. She’s not going anywhere.

      2. I’d rather not Depot her if she had three kids who stay.

        I’d be willing to bet she’s been standing in front of the Depot on her own at many times through the last several years.

        1. *narrows gaze*

    3. Hyperion

      Yes, this is the critical part:

      “Police Lt. Frank Hart said the officer checked Montes’ name on her vehicle’s computer and found “an outstanding failure-to-appear warrant, issued through the Department of Homeland Security.” She was arrested for driving without a license and booked into the Deer Park jail.”

      You see, after she failed to appear, she forgot protocol. The protocol is after you fail to appear, you change to your 3rd or 4th alias. Duh! Dumb illegal gets deported, news at 11.

  3. ChipsnSalsa

    Woman to be deported. I will post without further comment because I want to know your reactions. But I might dive into the comments.

    Having a “failure to appear” warrant come up on when you get pulled over sounds like you may get arrested. Did she “fail to appear” because she knew she was in the country illegally?

    1. The point in a failure to appear to warrant is they very much want to “find out what’s going on” (as Trump put it).

      I mean, if you’re legally in the country but are accused of being illegal, you naturally refuse to dignify a deportation hearing with your presence, because undoubtedly the whole thing will be cleared up and they’ll send an apology for inconveniencing you. It’s not like you have to worry about the summons or anything. /sarc

    2. Drake

      Yep. Big “meh” from me. I had to sit through traffic court last week for hours while the judge entered bench warrants for people who decided not to show up for their DUI arrests.

    3. ArchieBunker

      They came for me once because I forgot to pay a seatbelt ticket. Most failure to appears are nonsense like that.

    4. The Sleeper

      She showed her Mexican Consular Card, which doesn’t necessarily mean she was in the country legally, and the article didn’t mention her immigration status one way or the other. We also don’t know how serious the charge related to the failure to appear warrant is or was.

    5. Count Potato

      Yes.

      “When she failed to appear before an immigration judge in November 2003, she was issued a final order of removal,” ICE spokesman Gregory Palmore said in the statement, adding that she is now in federal custody pending deportation. She does not appear to have been charged with a crime since her illegal crossing.

      Anyway, I once spent the night in jail, and they impounded my car (which was a huge expensive PITA) for having a suspended license. I had pleaded not guilty to a traffic ticket, but they sent the notice of my court date to the wrong address. So after I didn’t show up. They suspended my license for not paying the fine on that date.

      1. Pat

        That’ll teach you to get your mail at the wrong address, buddy.

        1. Juice

          They do that shit on purpose. I’ve heard about this happening many times.

    6. Hyperion

      She failed to change to one her backup aliases after failing to appear. She’s actually running around with her real ID on her. /derp

    7. First they came for the illegal aliens. But I said nothing because I was here legally.
      Then….oh, that’s it. The end.

      1. bacon-magic

        LOL

    8. Q Continuum

      Couldn’t care less about this woman. She didn’t show up for her immigration hearing 14 years ago and figured she wouldn’t face any consequences since the authorities were too stupid and/or incompetent. That may indeed have been the case all those years, but the chickens are now coming home to roost. Time to face the music. Stop acting like a pathetic victim. Notice how hard the article tries to shut down logic and invoke emotion, that right there is a good indication that there’s no reasonable leg to stand on. Sorry lady, you got pulled over and had outstanding warrants. You’re gonna get fucked just like I would, your kid would and all the other peasants would.

  4. Possible Bigfoot ‘Hoots’ Recorded by Campers in Humboldt Redwoods State Park

    Listen closely. Did you hear it? Listen closelyer.

    That faint hooting sound may be the call of the elusive Sasquatch.

    At least that’s what one YouTuber and a Bigfoot expert are claiming after the above video surfaced last week. The video, uploaded on June 21, claims to show a family listening to mysterious sounds echoing through Humboldt Redwoods State Park.

    “Me and my family went on a family camping trip along Eel River in one of the state parks,” the description reads. “Around 12:40 a.m. we heard this howling that might as well be a Bigfoot call.”

    1. ChipsnSalsa

      damnit couldn’t even get the first bigfoot story in on the thread.

      anywhooo…

      DON’T JUDGE STEVE SMITHS ORGASM NOISE!

      1. It’s a public service tracking the movements of our world famous rapesquatch.

    2. Chipping Pioneer

      STEVE SMITH GIVE HOOT.
      STEVE SMITH NOT POLLUTE.

      JUST RAPE.

      1. Schnirt Gurgleburger

        That can’t be true. STEVE SMITH RAPE JUICE is known EPA hazard.

      2. Enough About Palin

        STEVE SMITH GIVE HOOT.
        STEVE SMITH RAPE POOP-CHUTE.

        1. WTF

          HOOT! HOOT! HOOT! HOOT! HOOT! HOOT! HOOT! HOOT! HOOT!

  5. ChipsnSalsa

    Didn’t know STEVE was a mountain biker, everyone has their hobbies.

    The other bikers will be riding fast this weekend.

    1. ChipsnSalsa

      -never SF your links

    2. The Elite Elite

      Nice link.

    3. Mustang

      I don’t think the link works.

      The real insult to the people who have their lives defending freedom of the press is the fact that you’re shitting all over their graves pushing your political agenda. It’s even more insulting that you drag them through the mud to try and defend yourself. If you’ve got to stand on piles of the dead (*cough* collectivists *cough*) to get support then go fuck yourself.

    4. Password gl1b
      1. straffinrun

        “They are trying to take an honest mistake and turn it into the norm.”

        Honest mistake? Funny how these honest mistakes never go in Trump’s favor.

        1. spqr2008

          If they had any goodwill left, after sucking up to the Ivy League left in Obama’s admin, people might forgive them. That goodwill is long gone, and the treatment of “the Deplorables” by the media has been such that I don’t blame anyone for not trusting a word they say.

          1. straffinrun

            They’re even hated by those whose water they’re carrying. That’s an amazing trick. Stupid and will probably bankrupt them, but amazing nonetheless.

    5. wdalasio

      My answer to these guys is simple. If you guys had done your jobs honestly, Trump’s bullying would fall on deaf ears. Trump plays the anti-media card because it works. But, it works because you’ve earned the public’s contempt and disgust. You’ve played the role of political operatives for decades now. The public knows you aren’t giving them the whole truth. The public knows that you push the narrative over honest coverage. The public knows that this isn’t the result of “honest mistakes”.

      1. AlexinCT

        How dare you point out that doing the dnc’s dirty work and trying to make it impossible for the new administration to work properly by telling lie after lie, and exaggerating everything in a negative way damaged their credibility?

        Off to the reeducation camp with people like you!

  6. Just a thought not a sermon

    I have seen a number of things over the past couple weeks about how cruel Republican efforts to change/reform/whatever Obamacare are, how 22 million people will lose coverage or whatever. But nowhere have I seen a point I made back in December: since Obamacare started, rises in US life expectancy have stalled for the first time since the 1930s. Gradually increasing life spans had almost become a demographic law—and all that’s been squandered. Let me re-run my original Thought Not Sermon:

    1. Just a thought not a sermon

      273 (Vol. 1) (Part 1 of 2) I’ve noticed a lot of hysteria in the Washington Post, Slate, etc., about the upcoming (hopefully) repeal of Obamacare. The general tenor seems to be about what a backwards step our health care system will take. But I also couldn’t help but notice this recent article on how US life expectancy fell in 2015 for the first time in 23 years. If Obamacare is so great, shouldn’t life expectancy be rising? I mean, what more basic health indicator is there than life expectancy?

    2. Just a thought not a sermon

      (Part 2 of 2) But you know what? One year might be a statistical anomaly. So I went to the CDC to find older statistics. It took a little digging, but this CDC publication has statistics going back to 2000 (check the table on page 34).

      Now according to Wikipedia, Obamacare took effect in March 2010, with most major provisions in place by 2014. Between 2010 and 2015, US life expectancy at birth went all the way from 78.7 to 78.8 (one entire month), with, as noted, a slight drop in 2015.

      Better or worse than prior to 2010? Much worse. From 2000 to 2005, it went from 76.8 to 77.6 (nearly a year). From 2005 to 2010, US LE went from 77.6 to 78.7 (more than a year!).

      So on this most fundamental of health indicators, we’ve gone into reverse under Obamacare.

    3. Pat

      Listen, shitlord, do you want people to have health care, or do you want them to live longer lives and have better health outcomes?

    4. ArchieBunker

      Is there evidence that that’s the fault of ACA?

      1. Just a thought not a sermon

        Not really, this is simply my theory. However, it seems suspicious to me that we get decades of rising life expectancy, with only occasional one year aberrations, and as soon as Obamacare comes into effect, that general rise in life expectancy ends.

        Maybe it would have ended anyway. Maybe Obamacare actually kept life expectancy from falling.

        But I doubt it.

        1. WTF

          I think a relevant point is that while more people have coverage, that due to the skyrocketing cost of deductables they don’t have care, because they cannot afford the out-of-pocket expenses and so put off treatment as long as they possibly can.

        2. ArchieBunker

          I tend to agree. I think WTF hit the nail on the head below. Been screaming for years that health insurance is not the same thing as healthcare.

    5. Rufus the Monocled

      The 22 million figure is too neat and being used too much. Strikes me as ‘1%’ and ‘97% consensus.’ Yah, probably accurate on some level but likely fails to consider many factors and variables to explain that figure.

      1. WTF

        I think a good part of that figure is people who are currently forced to buy coverage going back to choosing not to buy it once it is no longer mandatory.

        1. Grumbletarian

          Silly, if the government tells me I have to carry a brick around everywhere I go, and then later they tell me I don’t have to anymore, so I decide to put the brick down and walk away, THAT MEANS I’VE LOST MY BRICK!

          1. wchipperdove

            By God, I’m stealing this.

    6. Hyperion

      What the leftards are worried about is that the GOP will save the ACA from crashing and burning. Oddly, the same thing I’m worried about, but for a different reason. They want it to crash and burn so they can get single payer. I want it to crash and burn so that Democrats get blamed and there’s never another attempt at government run healthcare.

    7. Viking1865

      I tend to think the stall is more due to the obesity chickens coming home to roost.

      1. Enough About Palin

        People are fat in this country. While I wait for the bus home from work, tons of people pass me on their way to the Twins games. Most of them are fat. My boss had a business meeting with some executives from India. When asked what they thought of America, on Indian said, “The people here are a little bulky.”

  7. Emilia Clarke wants her ‘Game of Thrones’ role to empower women
    The Mother of Dragons wants to send an important message to her co-actresses working in Hollywood.

    It took #Emilia Clarke a while before she realized that she was treated differently while on the set of HBO’s “#Game of Thrones” where she plays the fan favorite character of Daenerys Targaryen. During her interview with Rolling Stone, the actress frankly said working in a male-dominated industry like Hollywood is “like dealing with racism” and actresses are being treated unfairly for being women.

    The 30-year-old English actress admitted that she has been getting this treatment since she joined the popular fantasy series in 2011. But despite her personal experiences, Clarke is still grateful that her “Game of Thrones” character allows her to send an important message to women from all walks of life.

    She even added that going nude in front of the camera does not stop her from promoting feminism.

    1. “She even added that going nude in front of the camera does not stop her from promoting feminism.”

      The only thing which would stop her from promoting feminism is if she said that living human beings had the right not to be deprived of life without due process of law.

      1. JD

        Or coming out as a Trump supporter and getting blackballed from Hollywood.

    2. My reaction: shut up and dance, monkey.

      1. Brett L

        RACIST!

    3. Rufus the Monocled

      Honey, Joan of Arc won in battle and was burned at the stake. If that didn’t get women moving, nothing well.

    4. WTF

      Last season’s GoT girl-power crap was starting to turn me off to the series, unfortunately, it looks like they may double down on it it this year.

      1. Somalian Road Corporation

        What, you don’t care for Daenerys’ posturing or the Sand Snakes and their incredibly well-written and thought-out coup of Dorne?

        (I still rather like Daenerys’ musical theme, though.)

        1. WTF

          I also didn’t care for the part where even a 10-year old girl is more upstanding and courageous than male leaders in the North in their fifties, or how Sansa, who was a shallow twit for most of the series is suddenly a more capable and competent leader and commander than Jon Snow, who was trained for such things his entire life and has actual combat command experience. I could go on, but why bother?

          1. {|}===[|}:;:;:;:;:;:;:>

            They totally ruined the Sansa/Baelish plot.

          2. WTF

            They really did.

          3. {|}===[|}:;:;:;:;:;:;:>

            Which is a shame, because Baelish/Sansa is really the most interesting thing going on in the books I think.

      2. Rasilio

        Well it’s not really like there are any men left alive.

        Hell at this point the great houses are pretty much exterminated unless they want to go with matrillenial inheritance.

        There are no living male heirs capable of producing offspring for Targareyon, Stark, Greyjoy, Martell, and Tyrell, The Lannisters only have Jamie who is pretty old and theoretically unable to be an heir because of his oath, for Barratheon there is Gendry but not sure anyone would recognize his claim and that only leaves the Tullys and Arryn’s although their heirs are basically under control of others.

        1. WTF

          Hell at this point the great houses are pretty much exterminated unless they want to go with matrillenial inheritance.

          Hell, it worked for Henry Tudor. And the Wars of the Roses provide a loose basis for elements of the story anyway.

    5. The Last American Hero

      What sort of empowerment message? That if you are lucky enough to be born a princess, sold into sex slavery to a barbarian warlord, and have dragons, you can lead the tribe across the sea to get slaughtered in foreign lands so you can one day fuck your handsome cousin?

    6. mr simple

      So between this and the DailyMail articles all I can find is her saying she felt she was treated differently because she’s a woman with no specifics. Did people open doors for her and try not to swear around her? Did they tell her to shut up and get naked and make them a sandwich? Or is this all an attempt to get publicity for herself and maybe the show?

      1. Number.6

        A woman who has no “specifics”?

        These euphemisms. Dayam, they’re getting oblique.

      2. R C Dean

        she felt she was treated differently because she’s a woman

        Why can’t I assume she was treated better because she’s a woman?

        1. WTF

          You should assume that if you have any sense of reality.

      3. Somalian Road Corporation

        She’s only an incredibly attractive woman who was also a multimillionaire before 30 and who is a lead character of one of the most popular pieces of media in the world right now, beloved by many. So, of course, you see, she’s very oppressed.

        1. WTF

          I’m sure I can handle just a bit of that oppression.

  8. What Do Feminists Owe Right-Wing Women?

    That’s what’s so baffling about these calls to shield female reactionaries from misogyny. Of course it’s antifeminist to mock a woman’s looks; no feminist I know would do that. But defending the ideologically abhorrent from sexism is an understandably low priority. It feels generous enough not to take back their right to vote.

    If you’re a “conservative feminist” who enables sex predators and thinks other women should be forced to give birth, like Conway, or even a vaguely pro-woman, risk-averse, market-friendly “feminist,” like Taylor Swift, good luck rallying women to your side by paying lip service to “empowerment.” To quote British suffragette Emmeline Pankhurst, it’s “deeds, not words” that matter. What do we owe women who are geniuses at self-promotion, but refuse to stand up for other women on life-or-death issues like health care, reproductive rights, and violence against women? Not much. But they’re welcome to keep suing men like Ailes.

    1. Just a thought not a sermon

      “If you’re a “conservative feminist” who enables sex predators”

      But enough about Hillary.

      1. straffinrun

        Now that “The Slopes” have been protected by SCOTUS, anyone wanna start “Sex Predators” with me? I can play the kazoo.

        1. It’s “The Slants” you racist. They’re all chink- and jap-american. I don’t think there’s a gook to be found in their lineup, so don’t call them Slopes.

          1. straffinrun

            *Hearty Laugh* Some serious subconscious bias in me. Someone flail me.

          2. Yusef drives a Kia

            Excellent Pedantry /Racist!

    2. Drake

      To me, feminism means fighting for the rights of all women, especially those without power.

      To me, feminism is just communism with tits.

      1. The Elite Elite

        Giving that feminism has its roots in Marxist ideology, you wouldn’t be wrong.

        1. Count Potato

          It didn’t. That came later.

          1. The Elite Elite

            At work, so I don’t have a lot of time to look at various links to find a really good one, but a quick browse on this seems to be a nice start on the matter.

          2. Count Potato

            The Seneca Falls Convention, which happened at the beginning of first-wave feminism, was in 1848. Their Declaration of Sentiments argued women have a god-given right to private property and individual liberty. Meanwhile, Marx published The Communist Manifesto only a few months earlier. So I doubt any of its participants had ever even heard of Marx, much less read him.

            Betty Friedan, who was often credited with starting second-wave feminism, wasn’t even born until 1921.

            However, there were Marxist feminists way before Friedan. So that article’s claim “These ideas were later developed into the modern feminist movement by left wing activist, Betty Friedan” is rather false.

          3. wdalasio

            It seems a bit odd to try to characterize a modern movement by its antecedents 170 years ago.

          4. Count Potato

            I’m not. Third-wave feminism is nothing like first-wave feminism. The point is that feminism originally did not have its roots in Marxist ideology.

          5. wdalasio

            But if its nothing like first-wave feminism, the absence of Marxism in first-wave feminism says nothing about the roots of modern feminism.

      2. The Sleeper

        That’s really what it has become.
        Equal-opportunity is dead, favored now by equality of outcome, with nary a thought as to the consequences of where that leads.

    3. “To quote British suffragette Emmeline Pankhurst, it’s “deeds, not words” that matter. ”

      Does this genius even know how to use Wikipedia?

      “In 1926 Pankhurst joined the Conservative Party and two years later ran as a candidate for Parliament in Whitechapel and St George’s. Her transformation from a fiery supporter of the [Independent Labor Party] and window-smashing radical to an official Conservative Party member surprised many people. She replied succinctly: “My war experience and my experience on the other side of the Atlantic have changed my views considerably.””

      1. “other side of the Atlantic” probably meant Canada.

        “As a result of her many trips to North America, Pankhurst became fond of Canada, stating in an interview that “there seems to be more equality between men and women [there] than in any other country I know.””

        1. (She was also a strong anticommunist)

        2. Rufus the Monocled

          What a fucken idiot.

          No there isn’t.

    4. leonadasiv

      Femenisim truly is the movement of women.

      1. ChipsnSalsa

        bowel movement?

    5. PieInTheSKy

      Of course it’s antifeminist to mock a woman’s looks;

      I find this silly. I think people can mock anyone looks, male female or other-kin if they are so inclined. It has nothing to do with any politics

      1. straffinrun

        My new campaign is titled “Stop Ugly Pig Shaming”. Hey, I’m here to defend you. Why the anger?

      2. The Last American Hero

        Look, a woman only has 2 choices in this world – body shaming or victim of the Male Gaze. It’s a tough gig.

        1. AlexinCT

          GIGGITY!

    6. Count Potato

      Considering that Elizabeth Cady Stanton’s husband was the co-founder of the Republican party, and it was the Democrats who largely opposed suffrage. I would say feminists owe right-wing women more than they owe left-wing women.

      1. R C Dean

        I never cease to be amazed at the dividends being paid by the Dem/Marxist “march through the institutions”. The media and academia both relentless propagate the lie that suffrage and civil rights legislation (never mind the Confederacy) were both Dem projects opposed by Repubs, instead of the other way around. Probably 95% of the public, including, amazingly, Republicans, believe a version of history that is not only false, but 180 degrees opposed to reality.

        1. Count Potato

          I remember when that movie Lincoln came out, people said they were surprised he was a Republican. And these were people who were born and went to school in the U.S.

          1. Number.6

            Those whose knowledge extends that far are still subject to the “Southern Strategy” lie, that claims somehow that all Republicans and Democrats ‘switched places’, which is why the Republicans are all redneck, pro-slavery KKK members.

            So, most of those who know Lincoln was a Republican, thinks that means he’s one of today’s Democrats.

    7. SugarFree

      a vaguely pro-woman, risk-averse, market-friendly “feminist,” like Taylor Swift

      And she’s blonde and thin and so fuck her.

      1. WTF

        Well, if you insist…

        1. Rasilio

          and then she’ll write a song about you

    8. mr simple

      Of course it’s antifeminist to mock a woman’s looks; no feminist I know would do that.

      *cough*bullshit*cough*

      1. WTF

        Only if the woman has an “R” after her name, or otherwise goes against left-wing orthodoxy.
        But then they claim that these women aren’t really authentic women.

        1. mr simple

          That’s true. Republicans are only old, white men, so if a woman or minority is a Republican, which you are if you are not a socialist, means you are an old, white man and therefore it is ok to mock your looks or be racist towards you. QED

  9. Just a thought not a sermon

    “the Rockets signed CP3 in what many pundits are calling a serious move against the Warriors”

    Well, he is fluent in over 6,000,000 forms of communication.

    1. Oh.

      *narrows gaze*

      1. AlexinCT

        Love that movie!

    2. The Last American Hero

      Yes, but he can’t jump, isn’t especially tall, and his movement is stiff.

    3. Number.6

      “Some two-bit outfit almost got them, but they bopped their way past.”

  10. straffinrun

    University of Maryland Police Called Over ‘Noose’ That Turned Out to Be Plastic Wrap

    The department noted that “preliminary investigation reveals that this type of material is used to contain and protect loose items during transport,” but said that officers would continue the investigation “out of an abundance of caution.”

    1. They really need to start prosecuting these false alarms and hysterics.

      1. straffinrun

        Could’ve killed a tortoise if it made its way to the ocean. Why do you hate tortoises?

        1. Bobarian LMD

          Why would a tortoise be in the ocean?

    2. Pat

      SPLC: close enough.

    3. Just a thought not a sermon

      I wonder how many other of these nooses have actually been just left over pieces of rope or plastic wrap after shipping large items.

      1. Chipwooder

        Or the remnants of Japanese lanterns

    4. In other words, campus cops have fuck all to do in the summertime except pad their overtime pay.

      1. SugarFree

        Kind of like the grounds crew, who keep ripping out perfectly good trees and shrubs and then planting new ones in the same place a couple of weeks later.

  11. Spartan Dad

    http://deadline.com/2017/06/new-york-times-editors-decry-humiliating-layoffs-1202121627/
    After this restructuring, we will continue to invest far more in editing than any of our competitors do. That is because we value meticulous editing.

    That was really funny. It would be even funnier if Palin ends up owning the Gray Lady. Very unlikely but the prog meltdown would come close to election night.

    1. Drake

      How many editors do you need? Can’t the reporters use spellcheck?

      1. Mookman

        You don’t necessarily need a choice of 23 different editors while children are hungry in this country.

      2. thom

        You’d think, but I definitely think the cutbacks in copy editors in traditional media has been noticeable. You see things that never would have made it to print 20 years ago.

    2. I thought it was interesting too.

    3. JD

      I was getting low on my delicious supply of prog tears, so thanks!

    4. Rufus the Monocled

      And now Palin goes in for the kill.

      One could hope.

      I’m pretty sure she wasn’t the only one who feels she was mistreated. If only they’d step up and all file!

  12. Drake

    Claire McCaskill very own “Russiagate” scandal deepens.

    Used Undisclosed Foundation to Pay for Dinner at Russian Ambassador’s House

    1. leonadasiv

      There is so much to this story this is coming why she chose to n finally disclose the existence of the foundation earlier.

      —came as part of an attempt to distance herself from investments in an opioid manufacturer.

      McCaskill said the investments were listed as part of her personal holdings by mistake, and that they actually belonged to the foundation. The senator announced she was spearheading an investigation into the opioid industry weeks earlier

      Seems totally above board to me

  13. Drake

    Pretty good breakdown of the Burlington College / Jane Sanders scandal. I suspect Bernie will get sucked into it but never charged.

    1. straffinrun

      The college’s enrollment figures and donations didn’t improve significantly, President Jane was forced out in 2011 with a hefty severance, and the school declared bankruptcy and shuttered in 2016, largely from the burden of debt saddled upon it from the land purchase, which chairman of the board Yves Bradley called “crushing.”

      She got while the gettin’ was good.

  14. Pat

    US woman shoots boyfriend in YouTube stunt

    A Minnesota woman has been charged over the fatal shooting of her boyfriend, in what authorities say was a social media stunt gone wrong.

    Monalisa Perez, 19, was booked into county jail after shooting at Pedro Ruiz as he held a book to his chest, believing it would stop the bullet.

    The couple’s three-year-old child and nearly 30 onlookers watched as she fired the fatal bullet into his chest.

    1. Drake

      I saw that story yesterday and assumed that she missed the book and hit him. He really thought a book would stop a .50 cal Desert Eagle? That’s an extra degree of stupidity. Perhaps a stunt that should have been tested somewhere safe first?

      1. {|}===[|}:;:;:;:;:;:;:>

        How thick was the book? It might stop a .50AE thickness depending, not that I wouldn’t test it first or do it without a vest on.

        1. R C Dean

          Judging by what the round does to wood (30 seconds in), I’m thinking there’s no book that would stop it.

          1. R C Dean

            Krep. Forgot teh link.

          2. {|}===[|}:;:;:;:;:;:;:>

            I think I linked this before.The sectional density of a book is greater than chipboard, which is what they’re using. That said, my bet for penetration at 1ft from the muzzle of 50AE would probably be the entirely of A.R.S. title 13 printed. Might stop it if it was edge bound after about 14 inches, obviously that’s a very thick book.

            I kind of want to test this now, know anyone with a .50 AE?

    2. leonadasiv

      As someone said yesterday, if you date a stupid enough guy it’s easy to make his murder look like an accident.

    3. Pope Jimbo

      Doh, I should have read the comments before posting my story on this. But mine has video of the chuckleheads.

      The story I read said that they guy showed her some other book that had stopped the bullet. That is why she thought it would work.

    4. WTF

      When I was a teenager my hunting buddies and I wondered whether a fairly thick phone book would stop a 12 ga. rifled slug. So we set one up against the backstop at the gun range and shot it. Even as idiot teenagers we knew enough not to do something so stupid as to hold the damn thing.

      1. Drake

        Websites like Box o Truth have demonstrated that bullets stop when they feel like it.

        1. WTF

          Yeah, the phone book didn’t even come close to stopping the slug.

    5. Rufus the Monocled

      It’s people like this that makes people want more gun control.

      1. Chipping Pioneer

        What we need is common sense book control.

        1. 0x90

          What we need want is common sense book control.

  15. Drake

    So maybe Trump was right. It does look like votes by non-citizens cost him the popular vote.

    1. Pat

      I have it on the authority of Ron Bailey that fraudulent voting literally doesn’t exist. L-I-T-E-R-A-L-L-Y.

    2. But don’t you dare go looking for evidence of vote fraud, because nobody’s been convicted, and nevermind those people who were, that’s just isolated incidents.

      /The response I still get.

      1. Grumbletarian

        Meanwhile the investigation into Trump’s collusion with Putin needs to go on turning over every stone on earth despite having found no proof yet.

    3. The Elite Elite

      You’re assuming all those votes didn’t go to him, shitlord!

      1. WTF

        Trump is well-loved by illegal aliens.

    4. FreeSociety

      From the article:

      The bombshell was this: “Noncitizen votes likely gave Senate Democrats the pivotal 60th vote needed to overcome filibusters in order to pass health care reform and other Obama administration priorities in the 111th Congress.”

      Regardless of whether or not one single illegal voted in the election, this is absolutely true. The way congressional seats are apportioned means that the mere presence of millions of illegals in California gives them an extra 5 (Democrat) seats in Congress.

      1. WTF

        It is just insane that illegals count for purposes of representation in congress. They are not here legally, they are not entitled to representation.

    5. {|}===[|}:;:;:;:;:;:;:>

      So when do we actually start seeing voter IDs going into effect?

      1. kbolino

        Some states already have it, don’t they?

        1. {|}===[|}:;:;:;:;:;:;:>

          I’m not really sure actually. I’ve go this nebulous sense that those passed have been struck down or defanged under the reconstruction statutes or as discriminatory in terms of equal protection.

  16. Pat

    He was cited for walking without an ID. He wants the officer off the force

    A man stopped by a North Florida cop and cited for walking without an ID and threatened with jail said this week he would like to see the officer kicked off the force.

    Devonte Shipman, 21, of Jacksonville said this Sheriff’s Officer J.S. Bolen deserves to be disciplined with suspension or firing after Bolen threatened to put him in jail after a jaywalking stop.

    He could have shot you and they wouldn’t have pulled him off the force. Lotsa luck.

    1. ChipsnSalsa

      I thought, ‘How can it be a crime if you see it done so often?’”

      officers discretion, my friend.

    2. straffinrun

      How many people that get harassed by people working for the government for no good reason actually come to the conclusion that giving government more power is a bad thing?

    3. Brett L

      I’m sure once he’s followed around and harrassed cited by deputies for his every individual crime, he’ll learn to shut the fuck up and take it.

      1. Yeah. He may as well go ahead and move far away lest he end up in a swamp somewhere compliments of this cop’s “brothers”.

  17. Pat

    Child Marriage in the U.S. Is Still Happening Today

    The problem of child marriage in the U.S. may be less widespread than in other parts of the world, but the fact that it’s happening at all is an issue that needs to be addressed. Fraidy Reiss, founder of Unchained at Last, a nonprofit that claims to be the only organization in the country helping girls and women escape forced marriages and rebuild their lives, spoke to CBS News earlier this year and argued: “We cannot solve the child marriage problem globally if we don’t first solve it here in the United States.”

    A report published by Pew Research Center last year found that around 57,800 American minors between the ages of 15 and 17 were married as of 2014 and that child marriage is most common in the southern states—West Virginia and Texas had the highest rates in the country. But it’s not just the numbers that are troubling, it’s also the law itself. Almost every state allows those under 18 to marry under certain circumstances, and at the time of Pew’s report, there were 27 states in which there was no limit to how young a child could marry if a judge authorized the marriage.

    Oh dear.

    Wait until they find out that child brides are correlated with a certain demographic cohort…

    1. ChipsnSalsa

      People in West Virginia?

    2. Just a thought not a sermon

      My step-brother moved into the cabin near my grandparents house in Izard County, Arkansas, for a few months during a tough time in his twenties. He rather shocked the family when he showed up with a sixteen-year old girlfriend at a family dinner. When family members spoke to him privately about it later, he protested that he had no choice but to date high school students because all the young women in the county out of high school were already married.

      We were all relieved when he moved back to Nashville later that year.

      1. Lachowsky

        I live not far from Izard county. In my pot smoking days, that area was the source of most of my weed. I have bought weed from honest to god hillbillies.

      2. Brasidas

        That’s a place in the state where lots of people you meet are from. Everyone born there GTFOs as soon as possible.

        Beautiful place, just nothing there but trees and hills.

    3. PieInTheSKy

      We cannot solve the child marriage problem globally if we don’t first solve it here in the United States. – you will not solve shit globally irrespective

    4. leonadasiv

      So most of the “certain criteria” I’ve heard is when a girl gets pregnant and there is a shotgun style wedding. It happens too the girl across the street from me, when I was 17. I’m sure these people have looked at v the data and seen that single motherhood and absentee fathers are much better than the hottie of having kids get married. They make it sound like kids see being sold can into slavery.

    5. Great balls of fire! I didn’t think that happened anymore.

      1. Brett L

        First cousin, too. Was he down with Allah, or are they just as backwards as he was?

    6. Old Man With Candy

      Hindus love their child brides.

    7. Big Chief

      I was 17 when I married my girlfriend, who had just turned 18. Obviously a big mistake because 38 years later we’re still happily married.

      This is the problem with most laws, in that they are one size fits all. I didn’t read the entire article, but from the first few paragraphs it seems to be stating that the flexibility in the law in most states that allows for different treatment based on the individuals involved is a bad thing. That’s crap. Allowing for some flexibility in rules like that is good and should be encouraged, especially in an important area of life.

      1. FreeSociety

        I got married at 22 and some of my friends and family were appalled that I got married so young. Many of those same people are now receiving fertility treatments or are just plain aggravated by how hard it’s proven for them to start having kids in their late 30’s and early 40s.

      2. Big Chief

        Having read the article, that’s what it’s doing. “I got married at 17 and it was bad, so no one should get married at 17.” Projection is a powerful tool.

    1. straffinrun

      “If you work as a midwife [you] must be able to perform abortions, otherwise you have to do something else. It is the same for priests who do not want to perform same-sex marriages,” Lofven said.

      We set precedent by doing something immoral in the past, so we can use that precedent now. Solid logic.

      1. Just a thought not a sermon

        “If you work as a midwife [you] must be able to perform abortions, ”

        Wha? Is this just a Swedish thing, or is this true in the US too? Don’t you have to have, you know, a medical degree to perform abortions?

        1. Drake

          I’m not sure what the educational requirements are to become a licensed midwife in Sweden. But this sure seems like a case of the government instilling obedience by forcing people to perform the most immoral acts imaginable in order to keep their livelihoods.

          1. leonadasiv

            Something freedom something conscience.

          2. FreeSociety

            Same with doctors in most of Europe. A doctor friend of mine in the Netherlands is vehemently opposed to late term abortions that are not medically justified, but she was legally required to perform them just to become a doctor. She actually took some grief counseling after the fact.

            Policies like this are meant to ensure that only certain species of goodthinkers are allowed to work in that profession.

    2. Florida Man

      Bout time. I can’t wait to get pork sliders at the Jewish deli.

    1. PieInTheSKy

      Meh I think it’s mostly trolling than politicizing old ‘arry

      1. The writer of the novels herself has made them very political, if only in retrospect.

        People ruin everything.

        1. Rasilio

          Problem for her is her novels don’t actually support her politics. The actual political message of the novels is that with few exceptions power attracts the most venal and corrupt individuals and the only ones you can trust with power are those who acquire accidentially without ever having sought it

          1. Fatty Bolger

            Exactly what I thought when I was reading them. And I thought it was a remarkable and valuable thing to find in a series so popular with children. I don’t care what her personal politics are now, those books have a strong anti-authoritarian and almost libertarian streak in them, and they will still be exposing kids to those ideas long after she’s gone.

    2. There is one thing more pathetic – Harry Potter. I think the consensus was if you removed the character, the outcome of the stories was the same.

      1. Mookman

        Yeah. At the end of the day, he was a pretty weak character who wasn’t particularly skilled at anything, had a lot of good luck (I believe at one point a good luck potion was actually introduced…) and help from more talented wizards. Still, growing up reading those books was damn exciting for a lot of people, myself included. Definitely helped a lot of kids who probably didn’t think they were capable of it read hundreds of pages at a time and is certainly better than burying one’s head in a phone for hours on end.

        1. It’s that last part I don’t really get. The last time I read one of them was while staying out of the way at a christmas preparation event (it was eventually going to be wrapped for someone else). The only thing I can say in its favor is that it was an easy read since I finished the volume in that afternoon. But it was both unengaging and unmemorable. I can’t even remember which one it was. (I only finished it because I couldn’t leave where I was and anything else would cause trouble as I tripped over people.)

          1. Mookman

            Young kids definitely were/are more likely to enjoy them. I knew adults who read them also and imagine that part of the appeal was the fact that they were not very challenging; it was a good break but you didn’t have to turn your brain off completely. I think a strength/weakness of the book was things just kept appearing as part of the wizarding world and it was difficult to anticipate what would happen next. Some of it was certainly laziness on Rowling’s part but some of it was fun also. The last bit might be projection on my part. Until then, I had not read anything as long as the longest Harry Potter books, nor did I really want to. After that I definitely sought out more to read on my own beyond what I had to read for school. I just imagine others had similar experiences.

        2. Lachowsky

          I was just about the right age for the books when they started coming out. I read them all and enjoyed them, but I got nothing political from them. It’s just a fantasy story.

        3. commodious spittoon

          You know who else was pretty daft but managed to luck into a great deal of power by virtue of smarter, more talented people…

          1. Pope Francis?

          2. WTF

            Barack Obama?

          3. MikeS

            Milli Vanilli?

      2. Grummun

        The Potter character himself makes it clear more than once that his successes would not have been possible without the assistance he received, and in some cases, his unlikely success (I’m thinking Goblet of Fire, here) was due to the antagonist setting Potter up for success, just to put him is position for ultimate defeat later. Hermione is always portrayed as the more diligent and gifted student, with limited exceptions, but Rowling makes a point of developing Potter’s skill as the series runs on, such that by the end he’s an above-average wizard. In the end, though, it’s Potter’s strength of will and leadership, not his magical skills, that make him the lead character (despite a lot of whining, the books were written to adolescents). That, and some magical mumbo jumbo that literally makes Potter the only character that can effectively defeat the big V for good.

        As for politics in the books, the “top men” of both the “good” guys (the Ministry) and the bad guys are self-serving authoritarians, and no friends of liberty. There’s a running subplot about Hermione attempting to “liberate” the house elves from their hereditary servitude, which the elves themselves, with only one exception, resist vigorously. I read this as a criticism of “I know what’s good for you” types denying the agency of some oppressed group, and forcing “help” onto them, whether they like it or not. I got a strong vibe of individualism through the whole series, I think it’s probably a fairly liberty-friendly read for young minds, Rowling’s personal politics notwithstanding.

    3. Pat

      In all fairness, hasn’t it mostly been JK Rowling herself that’s done that?

      1. spqr2008

        Fair points, Pat and UCS. I enjoyed the article for its brutal takedown of the class system of Rowling’s Potterverse.

      2. Waterfall Insurance

        Things like Dumbledore being gay were not actually in the books but the unforgivable curses or whatever they were called were based off an amnesty international list. Lots of little things that don’t draw attention to themselves but the more you know about the authors political leanings the more you can see in the books.

        1. The Last American Hero

          The problem isn’t the books, it Rowling flapping her jaws.

          The unforgivable curses do one of 3 things – torture, complete domination over someone’s will, and instant death. These are all pretty NAP compliant, and could have turned up in a libertarian fantasy novel.

          The rub is when JK starts drawing connections to BOOSH as Voldemort for torturing people but turns a blind eye to Obama for outsourcing it is where the silliness starts.

          Oh, and Trump isn’t Voldemort – he’s Cormac McLaggen – a kid from an important family that kicked Harry’s ass in Quidditch and tried to grope Hermione on a date “McLaggen ended up driving her crazy by talking about himself excessively, boasting about his Quidditch abilities, and being too forward romantically.” to quote a wiki.

    1. PieInTheSKy

      Maybe they have better luck with sex slaves

    2. leonadasiv

      Isis retirement plan only consists of 72 virgins, and there’s no employer matching.

    3. Atanarjuat

      Am I missing something? Why would they be allowed to return?

      1. WTF

        Because Europe.

      2. Fatty Bolger

        It’s right there in the suicide pact.

  18. Pat

    Drug raid in The Villages retirement community nets evidence of golf cart ‘chop shop’

    Five people are being held in a Florida jail on drug-related charges in connection with a SWAT-team raid in The Villages retirement community that turned up evidence of a possible “chop shop” operation for stolen golf cars.

    1. Drake

      The Florida Man and Woman pictures are worth the click.

      1. ChipsnSalsa

        absolutely, pure Florida right there.

        1. Pure, distilled essence of Florida.

    2. straffinrun

      Gone in 60 seconds 2: Did I Leave the Iron On?

    3. Brett L

      How do these people never have clothes on? Did the cops really go in and snatch these people while they were sleeping?

      1. I thought you were in Florida. Isn’t there an undress code for that state?

    4. Chipwooder

      Next raid will be at Del Boca Vista, Phase II

      1. JD

        +1 astronaut pen

  19. Old Man With Candy

    Poor gal. I hope she’s able to make it through the klan rally intelligence committee hearing without incident.

    No worries, she was smart and had all the evidence sent to the Obama Library, where it’s under seal for five years. That’s a remarkable dodge for hiding evidence. The next time I get subpoenaed for document production, I’m sending them to the Obama Library. “Sorry, I don’t have them. Ask Obama in five years.”

    1. I don’t think that’s gonna fly when the DOJ prosecutors demand them.

      1. Old Man With Candy

        Here’s how it goes:

        DoJ subpoenas her for production. She doesn’t have the documents. Dead end.

        Then DoJ subpoenas Obama Library. They cite the five year law. DoJ pushes. It goes to court. Five years of litigation ensue, because the Library is nothing but lawyers. Rice skates.

        1. WTF

          Trump can get around the five year law by declaring the documents to be de-classified, as is his right as President. Don’t know if he will, though.

          1. Old Man With Candy

            It’s not an issue of classification, there’s actually laws making presidential documents hideable for 5 years.

          2. WTF

            The law only shields them from FOIA, not from subpoena or from congressional scrutiny.

        2. kbolino

          Then DoJ subpoenas Obama Library. They cite the five year law.

          The five year law only applies to public disclosure under FOIA. The government can get its hands on the records at any time by subpoena, administrative order, or Congressional demand.

          1. R C Dean

            The punchline is, the only records that get the five year FOIA moratorium are by definition records that are still the property of and under the control of the US government. You don’t even need to subpoena them if these records are covered by the moratorium, you just go take them. The moratorium has nothing to do with Presidential Libraries. The letter turning down the initial request is gibberish, but that’s par for the course when the government wants to blow off a FOIA request.

          2. kbolino

            The Obama administration was not known for its rigid adherence to the letter of the law. No doubt they hope to do exactly what OMWC says and stonewall until time is up (and who knows, maybe they’ll find some new way to stonewall after that). The problem is that SCOTUS is not in their hands and is unlikely to grant their wishes, even if the lower courts do.

  20. straffinrun

    SLOW DOWN ON THE LINKS! I’M DRINKING HERE!

    1. ChipsnSalsa

      There’s a beverage here, man.

      1. straffinrun

        Chips and Salsa and beers? Tempted to dox you myself.

        1. Count Potato

          Collusion with a white russian needs to be investigated?

  21. PieInTheSKy

    Sticky situations: cyanoacrylate exposures reported to a poison control system.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28535077

    apparently gluing a person’s eyes shut as a prank is a rare cause of superglue exposure

  22. ChipsnSalsa

    Is the turtle picture taking a bong hit?

    1. Michael

      Existence, not evidence. Whatever. Enjoy the stupidity either way.

    2. straffinrun

      I’ve never seen a punchable foot before.

    3. leonadasiv

      All these fools have been focused on treaties and philosophical musings on mortality, when all we needed for world Peace was socks!!

      1. Rufus the Monocled

        I was going to say until I was pulled away…

        #socksforpeace

        #socksstopterrorismnow!

        1. Bobarian LMD

          He’s sooooo dreamy!

          An international socks symbol!

    4. 0x90

      Linked this image yesterday, but it’s too great not to link again.

  23. PieInTheSKy

    3-D printer builds house for $10,000 – and it will last for 175 years

    http://www.thelondoneconomic.com/property/3-d-printer-builds-house-10000-will-last-175-years/29/06/

    1. leonadasiv

      170 years? How environmentally unfriendly. Humans should stop innovating and just die already.

    2. straffinrun

      Graham Walker
      June 29, 2017 at 11:24 am
      Reply
      All very well, and $10,000 sounds cheap, but when everything is made by machine and the only people with any money are the people who own the machines, there’ll be nobody with any money to buy the things being made. People need to wake up.

      The only comment and it’s made by an idiot.

      1. It’s becoming a common sentiment though, so we need to take it seriously.
        Zuckerberg and Musk have both been touting the UBI lately because they are afraid all of the people who lose jobs that will be replaced by robots, computers and 3D printers are not going to find something else to do.
        They literally think people will not adapt and retrain themselves to do something where demand exists. Even though that idiotic mentality has been disproven every time there has been a shift in workplace priorities and there have been technological leaps.

        1. hate_speech

          I’ve been reading Economics in One Lesson this week at work (my last day is tomorrow, don’t judge me!), and I’m shocked / depressed at how many of the arguments he addresses in there are shit we’re having to address now. In this case, the idea that technological improvements are going to make us all poorer. People never fucking learn. We’re all doomed.

        2. KibbledKristen

          Who will make the buggy whips???? WHO???

          1. Number.6

            There will *always* be some demand for buggy whips, KK. If only in British boarding schools and in select basements.

      2. Pat

        Literal Luddism and they probably don’t even realize it.

        1. Rufus the Monocled

          Probably?

          They don’t realize it.

          This is the side that thinks itself on the ‘right side of history’ on every issue and warn everyone about the dangers of ‘repeating history’ and lessons not learned.

          The ultimate projection.

      3. Certified Public Asshat

        What we truly need are more poorly built suburban McMansions with infrastructure we will never be able to maintain.

    3. Scruffy Nerfherder

      Yeah…. no. That’s a bunch of hyped up bullshit. You still have to plumb and wire the thing, and there’s no rebar. I need rebar in my concrete walls.

      1. Can it lay down the paste around rebar and conduit?

        1. Scruffy Nerfherder

          It appears from the video that they are laying some minimal reinforcement in as the printing process proceeds but it’s not really rebar. Rebar needs to be fully embedded in the concrete in order to provide the tensile strength to the concrete. Helical fibers work as well, but I doubt you could efficiently extrude the mix with the fibers in it.

        2. Can’t they “print” the conduit directly into the walls? And if they build them with a honeycomb structure, the rebar may be unnecessary.
          The plumbing is a different story, as is stringing the wiring. But the structure of a 3D printed house may negate the conduit by design.

          1. Tundra

            It strikes me that they could print the runs for the conduit as well as the PEX. The demo house is one level and only 409 sq feet, so the runs would be minimal.

          2. Scruffy Nerfherder

            You could potentially print the conduit. I would have concerns about the abrasion to the wiring as the walls of the printed conduit would most definitely not be smooth.

            Concrete has very limited tensile strength and relatively high compressive strength. Rebar has high tensile strength and is embedded in to the concrete to transfer some of that property to the concrete. Without it, you generally have to keep concrete under load compression (post tensioned, load bearing walls) to give them stability and strength.

          3. spqr2008

            So there might be a market for a weasel bot, that merely drags a high power sander/smoother behind it? Or can we actually use a member of the ferret family to handle that?

      2. MikeS

        Rebar wouldn’t be necessary. I wonder if the electrical and plumbing could be laid out while the thing is printing the house. It’s an interesting concept.

        1. Pat

          For $10k, I’d be happy to run PVC or metal conduit on the interior walls to wire it up. For a bit of perspective, a factory-built “manufactured home” (i.e., trailer) sells for $70k and up.

          1. MikeS

            That’s what I was thinking. This could be an especially good way to do storage buildings, garages or shelters for the upcoming zombie apocalypse.

          2. Scruffy Nerfherder

            This method is a possibility for small enclosures as demonstrated. The low structural strength of the wall design prevents it from being used on larger buildings.

          3. Pat

            Could still replace a lot of shitty tenement housing on the cheap though. Especially in the developing world where mud huts and tin shacks are the norm.

          4. Scruffy Nerfherder

            That would be my thought.

          5. Scruffy Nerfherder

            Although you undoubtably need a high quality, controlled concrete mix which is typically not available in third world countries.

          6. spqr2008

            Although, as a charity organization, a NGO that merely helped enforce compliance with local companies in the product quality as well as supporting the technical side of the printers would assist with that, and probably be able to do more good for more people in the developing world than many current charities.

        2. Scruffy Nerfherder

          Almost all fiber is not a substitute for rebar. Fiber is typically used to control plastic shrinkage and reduce the cracks associated with that. It does nothing to increase the overall tensile strength of the concrete or the structural integrity. Helical steel fibers are potentially an exception but they are notoriously difficult to work with because they tend to clump and do not flow well.

    4. Certified Public Asshat

      Although the house is a cosy 409 square feet it has all the essential fittings, including a kitchen, living room, bedroom and bathroom.

      Oh, another tiny house.

    5. Suthenboy

      10K? That is in Russia. Anyone price concrete in the US lately?

    1. Brett L

      We should go fund me for a bunch of white headscarves for her.

  24. Count Potato
    1. Drake

      They are remaking Overboard? Was the CGI technology not good enough on the first one? Are there absolutely no original scripts or stories available?

    2. Chipwooder

      They’re remaking Overboard? Oh come on……that movie doesn’t work without Kurt Russell

      1. Juvenile Bluster

        I’m shocked they’re remaking that movie. He took advantage of a woman who’d been through trauma! He probably raped her! The scumbag!

        1. Chipwooder

          That’s why you need Kurt Russell. The plot hinges on you sympathizing with this guy despite the fact that he actually does something rather awful. I don’t think many actors can pull off the loveable rogue bit like our favorite Hollywood libertarian.

          1. Juvenile Bluster

            Ryan Reynolds?

          2. Chipwooder

            Probably, although I’m not a huge fan. Deadpool was that kind of character, but in a kind of smarmy way.

          3. Drake

            Maybe they’ll make him a real unredeemed rapist shitlord – that would be funny.

          4. The Last American Hero

            Swayze could have back in his day.

          5. Waterfall Insurance

            The male lead is Hispanic so there is one possible sympathy pathway and modernization. Kurt Russell’s character seemed to much like a trump voter for modern sensibilities. Also Chris Pratt and Emma Stone would have been better choices but I’m sure they both have better things to do. At least in terms of pay.

        2. CPRM

          It’s all good, cuz they genderswapped and Anna’s character is the rapist, so cool now.

          1. Somalian Road Corporation

            Oh, I thought you were joking, then I refreshed. I keep forgetting that it’s the Secret Nazi President’s world now, and we’re just living in it.

            Given the inherent problematic nature of the original ’80s film, no matter how much fun it was as a movie, this is a worthy upgrade to the tale.

          2. CPRM

            and, she’s doing to a minority latino. So woke.

          3. WTF

            Oh, good God.

          4. wdalasio

            Oh, dear fucking God. They are actually saying that it was “problematic” when a man did to a woman but totes cool when the roles are reversed.

            Is the bulk of humanity really this blazingly stupid? Or is it just a segment?

    3. Tundra

      Eeek. That’s no ‘Goldie Hawn in her prime’ replacement.

      1. Chipwooder

        Nope. Goldie, even in her 40s (she was 42 in Overboard) had the body to look slender without looking skeletal and emaciated. Anna Farris….does not. Not nearly as pretty a face, either.

    4. KibbledKristen

      I like her husband.

  25. Pope Jimbo

    For those of you speculating yesterday, it was a Desert Eagle that the dumb guy was shot with.

    1. Chipwooder

      Bullet Tooth Tony?

  26. SMOD or Supervolcano?

    Yellowstone Supervolcano Earthquake Swarm Reaches 878 Events in Just Two Weeks

    Over 800 earthquakes have now been recorded at Yellowstone supervolcano over the last two weeks, with the ongoing swarm taking place on the western edge of the National Park.

    But there is virtually no risk of the volcano erupting, the United States Geological Survey (USGS) currently lists the volcano alert level as normal and the aviation color, which lists the potential risk to fights, is at green.

    The current earthquake swarm began on June 12. A week later, the USGS put out a statement to say that 464 earthquakes had been recorded, with the largest being magnitude 4.4 “This is the highest number of earthquakes at Yellowstone within a single week in the past five years,” it said.

    1. Pat

      If it touches off the ring of fire I might end up with beach side property. It’s as good a way to get rich as any, just sayin’.

    2. Mustang

      You’ll have to excuse me if I believe the opposite of what the USGS says. We’re all doomed.

    3. ChipsnSalsa

      Both, just to make sure.

      1. I like your thinking.

  27. Juvenile Bluster

    Good morning glibs! Everyone can use a good nutpunch on a Thursday morning, right?

    Expert testifies SWAT Leader was wrong to order fatal assault

    Dude was shot by a sniper while holding his 4 year old son. It’s a fucking miracle the kid wasn’t killed.

    And, of course, this is just the civil lawsuit. Already been declared a good shoot. In fact, the SWAT Commander’s been promoted to Police Chief.

    The chief said Thomas had been controlling, belligerent and hostile toward police, although he acknowledged that at no time during the evening did Thomas threaten officers, himself or the child.

    No firearms were found in the house, and Thomas was not armed.

    Police had been called to his home that night because he was drunk, had argued with his mother and had grabbed a cellphone out of her hand while she was calling 911. The decision was to arrest him for misdemeanor domestic-violence assault.

    Zaro said Thomas’ erratic actions that night “left him no choice” but to authorize deadly force.

    They also shot the family dog, but that goes without saying in these kinds of cases.

    1. Pat

      Sounds like Ruby Ridge part deux.

      1. straffinrun

        Jinx. *Shoots dog*

    2. leonadasiv

      Zaro said Thomas’ erratic actions that night “left him no choice” but to authorize deadly force

      Call me crazy but I feel like a four year old could muster more problem solving creativity this this POS who seems to only have two solutions, submit it deadly force.

      1. Chipwooder

        I particularly liked the bit where shithead admits that, despite being in command of SWAT, he rarely did any actual training for the role.

        And by “liked” I meant “was infuriated”.

        1. Scruffy Nerfherder

          In a rational world, he would have immediately resigned out of shame at a minimum. Instead, they exhibit what appears to be a complete lack of remorse for murdering him.

    3. straffinrun

      Makes you wonder if Hollywood will ever get around to making a feature length “Ruby Ridge”.

      1. Juvenile Bluster

        If they ever did make a Ruby Ridge film, Randy Weaver and Kevin Harris would be the villains.

        1. Chipwooder

          Indeed – probably make him a Klansman with swastika flags hanging on his walls.

        2. straffinrun

          Good shoot. Even typing that made me a little queasy.

    4. Chipwooder

      Gah….another damned outlet that won’t let you copy and paste. Anyway, this bit….

      SWAT officers said they had to slug Thomas to get him to let go of the child, who was yelling “Daddy! Daddy!” Thomas’ last words were “Don’t hurt my boy” before he bled to death

      …is just about the worst thing I’ve ever read in my life. Our heroes in blue, shooting a man holding his son, then punching him while his son screams for his dad while dad bleeds to death.

      I’m sure that will leave no lasting psychological scars on that youngster’s brain.

      1. Lachowsky

        That infuriates me. I turned a little red and my eyes watered a bit when reading that. (I have a 5 year old son)

        1. Chipwooder

          Same here – 9 year old in my case. He grabbed his son after hearing an explosion? No shit, that’s what ANY father would do.

    5. Scruffy Nerfherder

      Jesus. Every single one of those cops needs to go to prison for that.

    6. Chipwooder

      And, like clockwork, there are reprehensible comments. What the fuck is wrong with these people that they see nothing wrong here????

      1. Tundra

        Chip, the guy was belligerent AND hostile! Toward the cops!!

        1. Lachowsky

          That, is the greatest crime of all.

        2. Pat

          Nice personality combination: hostile AND intolerant.

          1. Chipwooder

            If I hear any more shit outta you, I’m gonna bust you in your fucking head, and I’ll put you back in that fucking hole, and I’ll stick your head in the fucking toilet bowl, and I’m gonna make it stay there!

      2. Viking1865

        I’ve said it before, and I will say it again: It is terrifying to recognize that these bad cops are every fucking where, and that it only takes one bad situation for you to end up shot to death for no good reason. It’s far more comforting to believe that every single police shooting is justified, because that means the pig eyed thugs with 5 different weapons on their belts are good guys who only hurt bad guys.

        Kind of a Stockholm Syndrome thing.

  28. Ken Shultz

    Police Lt. Frank Hart said the officer checked Montes’ name on her vehicle’s computer and found “an outstanding failure-to-appear warrant, issued through the Department of Homeland Security.” She was arrested for driving without a license and booked into the Deer Park jail.

    She was arrested because of a failure-to-appear warrant issued through Homeland Security, then the change isn’t with the local police department. The change is that Homeland Security is putting bench warrants out for immigrants who fail to appear for their hearings.

    All that stuff about racial profiling is crap. She had an immigration hearing with a judge in 2003, and she didn’t show up for it. They put out a bench warrant. It has nothing to do with the judgement of the officer that enforced the warrant.

    “We’re asking for what the law says,” said Cesar Espinosa, executive director of FIEL. “If you present ID, you just get a ticket.”

    They’ve got a big-eyed bunny with sad eyes, and they’re gonna use it to sell their favorite causes, but if this case goes to the Supreme Court, her lawyer better come up with a better argument than that being an illegal alien renders you invulnerable to bench warrants.

    You have to show up for your court dates–no apologies.

    1. Juvenile Bluster

      No matter how innocent you are, always show up to court dates. Also, always answer a lawsuit, no matter how frivolous it is.

      Because if you fail to do so it WILL bite you in the ass. And it will bite very hard.

      1. Chipwooder

        Also, don’t bring a bag of pot with you like the idiot son of my wife’s friend, who went to court for a moving violation summons and got himself arrested for possession after having to empty his pockets at the metal detector on the way in.

        1. Ken Shultz

          That’s the story behind one of the greatest Ska songs of all time

          54-46 Was my Number

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhH1Lxv-8sA

          uy goes to jail to visit a friend. They bust him for pot possession on the way in. He says he was framed. Why would a Rude Boy bring marijuana to a jailhouse? I wouldn’t do something like that!!!

          1. Atanarjuat

            I always loved that song, and didn’t really know the story behind it. Maybe because I can’t understand his, or any Jamaican’s, accent. Great soulful singer though. Probably a dumb question: what makes it ska?

  29. Pope Jimbo

    Why aren’t there more stories like this?

    Great story about two gals playing olympic hockey. One adopted sister is playing for Korea, the other for the USA.

    1. Tundra

      Excellent. Thanks for linking, Holiness!

    2. Supporting corrupt organizations like the IOC?

      Such a shameful display.

      1. straffinrun

        Did you just accuse the IOC of Hooking?

        1. 2 minutes in the box. Feel shame.

    3. The Other Kevin

      I play on a sled hockey team in Chicago. Two of my teammates are going to play for the USA in the upcoming Paralympics in Korea. I’ve been practicing with them this summer. It’s still kind of surreal playing with guys who are among the best in the world. And wow are they good.

      1. Tundra

        Hey Kevin. A good friend of mine plays in a league here. I know he travels for tournaments, so you guys have probably skated against each other. It’s a great sport – I’ve seen a few games and you guys are beasts!

  30. TripodKat

    “Woman to be deported. I will post without further comment because I want to know your reactions. But I might dive into the comments.”

    As far as I can tell, the officer did everything right. He pulled her over for missing a license plate, not because she was darker-skinned. She failed to produce a drivers license, which is, in my opinion, a perfectly reasonable thing to require all drivers to have since driving is potentially dangerous. Then, he arrested her because she had a warrant outstanding, not because of the drivers license issue. The interest groups out there are trying to say that he arrested her because she failed to produce a drivers license because racism, which is obviously false.

    Then, on top of that, it turns out that the warrant was for failing to appear in court over her arrest for illegally crossing the border. As far as I can tell, she broke at least 4 laws. She can cry all she wants, and it definitely sucks for her family, but why, when you’re here illegally, would you drive around without a front license plate? Why would you not secure a drivers license?

    There’s a separate issue here about our immigration policy as a whole, but that is besides the point.

    As far as I can tell, its a justifiable deportation. We all have to live by the same laws, even if they suck and need to be changed. She shouldn’t get preferential treatment because of the feelz. Its insulting to immigrants that actually went through the labyrinth of proper channels.

  31. Ken Shultz

    P.S. I’m not sure I buy that stuff in the article about Miranda rights either. It’s unclear that she wasn’t read her Miranda rights, but then she wasn’t arrested on suspicion of a crime. She was taken in to custody because she skipped a hearing.

    If a judge orders you to appear in court, it doesn’t necessarily mean you’ve committed a crime, that you’re being accused of a crime, or that you were a party to a crime. They do that with witnesses, too. Medical records professionals sometimes have to go to court to swear that the records were handled in the normal course of business to the best of their knowledge. Usually signing a prepared affidavit is enough, but sometimes they want you to appear and testify to that under oath in front of a jury. If you don’t show up on the court date, the judge will issue a bench warrant. It doesn’t mean you’ve been the party to a crime, that charges are pending against you or anything like that. It may not even be in a criminal case–it may be a doctor getting sued for malpractice.

    If I failed to show up to testify, and the police took me into custody because of a bench warrant, why would they need to read me my Miranda rights? I’m not necessarily being charged with a crime, suspected of a crime, . . .

    There are very few situations in which coercion is necessary in a libertarian society, but compelling people to appear in front of a judge for various reasons is one of them–whether it’s compelling testimony or to face charges. There is no justice system without that. The government cannot protect the rights of individuals without that.

    1. R C Dean

      Even if she wasn’t Mirandized, that just means that they can’t introduce any of her statements after she should have been Mirandized. I think they can probably deport her without a confession, so its another big nothingburger stuffed with red herring.

  32. Count Potato

    “OPC Executive Manager Jane Martin says given that 27 per cent of Australian children are overweight or obese, it’s “shocking” manufacturers deliberately create pester power to boost sales.
    “Children are naturally drawn to fun, colourful characters on food packaging in the supermarket, and food companies are fully aware of this. They know that children have an incredible amount of power over what their parents buy,” said Ms Martin. She says the Federal Government needs to extend and strengthen existing junk food marketing regulations to restrict the use of cartoons of products targeting children.”

    http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/latest-news/call-to-ban-cartoons-on-kids-junk-food/news-story/53905f9e245eef1501137107e2c654c5

    Because children buy their own food?

    1. Juvenile Bluster

      No, pester power! Parents are helpless against it when their kids whine! What do you expect, for the parents to say “no”?

      1. I know plenty of parents for whom that is the default.

        1. TripodKat

          Its only a matter of time till CPS can take your children from you for such a high offense as saying “no.”

          1. R C Dean

            Hell, in England, CPS will take your kid and pull his life support if you have the temerity to try and take him overseas, with your own money, for medical treatment.

          2. Somalian Road Corporation

            Or if you support UKIP. Compare and contrast with the (non)reaction to Rotherham, Rochdale, etc.

    2. Suthenboy

      “They know that children have an incredible amount of power over what their parents buy,”

      I dont think the problem is what they think it is.

  33. Juvenile Bluster

    Latest casualty of the Illinois budget: They’re going to stop selling Powerball and Mega Millions tickets cuz they can’t pay off the prizes.

    1. Ken Shultz

      I’ve gotta give them credit for that. Maybe there’s hope!

      Not being able to afford to do things hasn’t stopped them in the past.

      1. straffinrun

        Get them a printing press.

    2. Pat

      Only the fucking government could fuck up running a numbers game. The mob never went broke and their payout odds were astronomically better.

      1. Urthona

        That’s what was cracking me up. The lottery only pays out a fraction of what it collects.

        Humorous.

    3. TripodKat

      Really?! The lottery is one of the lowest-odds gambling schemes ever created! This scheme should be a net positive at all times for the state government. Idiots.

      1. Brasidas

        I think Illinois is at over 100% of revenue going to court ordered payments.

        Lottery, road repairs, and the power bill are not included.

      2. Lachowsky

        no kidding. How can you not collect millions, have one lucky fellow collect many less millions and collect taxes on the less millions not paid out and still not turn a profit. Fucking idiots.

    4. The Other Kevin

      I heard this on the radio today. The official in the report said they need to have funds allocated to run the lottery. I took that to mean, printing tickets and doing the admin stuff, all of which needs to have money budgeted.

  34. straffinrun

    Donald Trump says journalists are “fake.” But the president has told untruths nearly every day.

    The irony? Trump himself has told dozens of uncorrected falsehoods since taking office. PolitiFact has seven pages of false statements made by Trump, most or all of which the president has not corrected. The Times writes Trump has told a falsehood, or outright lie, nearly every day of his young presidency. BuzzFeed News has a list of high-profile examples from the first few months of Trump’s presidency.

    From the headline to the bottom line, then entire thing is a tu quoque. Sophistry for the win.

    1. Ken Shultz

      The other possibility is that they believe their own lies.

      They think the president is lying because he doesn’t believe the fake news that they believe themselves.

      1. straffinrun

        The “But” in the headline kind of precludes that possibility.

        1. Lachowsky

          I support _______, but.

          it means you don’t actually support _____.

    2. The Elite Elite

      Mic.com? Referencing Buzzfeed News as a legit source? Yeah, this shit isn’t to be taken seriously.

    3. Suthenboy

      Buzzfeed and Politifact.

      Well, that settles it.

  35. CPRM

    For those of you were talking about it in the SF post last night, *Batteries Not Included is on Netflix right now.

    1. straffinrun

      You know what had batteries not included? *I fully apologize in advance for this NSFW*

  36. Hyperion

    Not sure if anyone posted this or not, if so I didn’t see it. But when you’re playing with high caliber guns, maybe a little research is a good idea?

    Woman shoots boyfriend in Youtube stunt gone wrong

    1. Lachowsky

      I think you are either 3rd or 4th posting that. That said,

      Boyfriend is dumber than a wheelbarrow full of hammers. As least shoot the book first without yourself behind it to test your hypothesis.

      1. Hyperion

        That’s sort of what I meant by ‘research’.

      2. Fatty Bolger

        He supposedly did. But it’s still stupid as shit.

    2. Pat

      You miss one links thread around here and it’s brutal.

      1. commodious spittoon

        Sentenced to death by stupid youtube stunt.

    3. Ken Shultz

      As part of a young couple’s quest for YouTube fame, a 19-year-old woman shot at a book her boyfriend was holding against his chest, killing him at close range outside their northwestern Minnesota home.

      . . . .

      Ruiz held up the book — described by County Attorney James Brue as a hardcover encyclopedia — and Perez pulled the trigger on a .50-caliber Desert Eagle pistol, trying to see whether the bullet would go through, according to the criminal complaint.

      Take 1: I hate it when people talk about “Darwin awards”. It seems so insensitive. So I won’t talk about the Darwin award here. Because that would be wrong . . . to talk about the Darwin award. No one should even mention the phrase “Darwin award”.

      P.S. Darwin award? Shouldn’t even mention “Darwin award”.

      Take 2: Where’s the mens rea?

      Don’t need it in manslaughter cases? Maybe, maybe not. Depends on the judgement of the jury–as well it should.

      Seems like the remedy is civil, not criminal, to me.

      1. Hyperion

        Is there a ‘stupid’ law? I guess not, we can’t build that many prisons.

      2. Atanarjuat

        No, if I’m not mistaken, a candidate for Darwin award must remove his or her genes from circulation, so must be killed before having children. In the story it says they have a 3 year old and the shooter was also pregnant.

    4. hate_speech

      Is this the new Man in Oregon Dies Peacefully article?

      1. leonadasiv

        The real question is: did his girlfriend tell him Trump had been impeached before she shot him?

        1. hate_speech

          He sounds like the kind of guy who would believe getting shot would somehow lead to Trump’s impeachment.

    5. I also heard a guy in Oregon died peacefully when people told him Trump had been removed from office.

      1. hate_speech

        Link or GTFO.

  37. Pat

    14 arrested in New Jersey welfare fraud investigation

    LAKEWOOD, N.J. — Nearly 15 people have been arrested in raids over two days in a New Jersey community in connection with an ongoing investigation that has so far exposed about $2 million in alleged public-assistance fraud in the town.

    Six people were arrested Tuesday night in Lakewood, N.J., a community of about 101,000, nearly 38 miles southeast of Trenton, the state capital. The arrests follow the federal and state raids of four homes and arrests of eight people Monday on charges of stealing $1.3 million in public assistance over the last few years.

    1. creech

      I guess that 6 plus 8 is “nearly fifteen” but why not be precise? Maybe the reporter’s calculator on his iPhone wasn’t working?

      1. Pope Jimbo

        I’m still having a hard time visualizing how many people were involved. Won’t some smart journalo convert that number into some unit I can understand like “bathtubs of rope”?

        1. Fathoms per orbit.

  38. commodious spittoon

    Handcuffed man drowns after falling from Missouri state trooper’s boat. The officer pleads guilty… to a “boating violation.” The brave man faces a possible six months in jail.

    “It would have been a hung jury, or he would have gotten off,” Craig said. Special prosecutor William Camm Seay interviewed locals about their stance on the case and arrived at the same concerns.

    “I had a great fear of a mistrial and just seating a jury,” Seay told the Star. Instead, Seay agreed to offer a drastically reduced plea deal. Instead of facing involuntary manslaughter charges, Piercy would plead guilty to a misdemeanor boating violation, a slap on the wrist that could result in a maximum six months behind bars.

    1. Juvenile Bluster

      Morgan County’s population hovers just above 20,000. During an inquest jury on the cause of Ellingson’s death, a juror told the Kansas City Star that the criminal trial should be held outside Morgan County because the local courts ran on a “good ole boy system.” And Piercy was reportedly well-known in the small community.

      “That whole town’s been tainted,” Craig said. “His wife’s a teacher, he was on the school board, he was a cop.”

      The Ellingsons wanted to move the case to Kansas City, or closer to their home near Des Moines, Iowa, but the case was locked into Piercy’s hometown venue, where they worried Piercy would walk free.

      Also, the cop’s attorney says he’ll withdraw the plea if there’s any jail time. Which there won’t be.

      Someone explain to me how this at a minimum isn’t criminally negligent homicide (rhetorical)

      1. Lachowsky

        It’s not criminally negligent homicide because-

        the local courts ran on a “good ole boy system.” And Piercy was reportedly well-known in the small community.

        “That whole town’s been tainted,” Craig said. “His wife’s a teacher, he was on the school board, he was a cop.”

      2. Viking1865

        “The family also reached a $9 million settlement with the state of Missouri in November 2016.”

        Oh man, if my kid was murdered by a cop, and then you kicked me 9 million bucks, I know what some of that money would go to.

        1. Lachowsky

          Something akin to a killdozer?

          1. Viking1865

            More like a quiet professional.

            Like, what if you went to a casino in Vegas that was owned by gentlemen of Sicilian extraction, and you had a quiet word with an out of town businessman in a bar, and then went to the casino and very stupidly lost 150,000 dollars at the tables, on camera and everything.

          2. Number.6

            +6000 cold greenbacks

      3. R C Dean

        So transfer the fucking trial to another jurisdiction. Hell, that should be mandatory for any trial of a cop – the prosecutors and judges have, at a minimum, an appearance of conflict of interest with a local cop.

    2. Chipwooder

      Tell me that guy doesn’t look like a straight from central casting brutal meathead of a cop.

    3. Juvenile Bluster

      Oh, and I can’t find if the officer in question was ever disciplined, but I do see that they disciplined another officer for calling out the lies in the case. http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article23756080.html

      There *are* good cops out there. They are very few. This is an example of what happens to them.

    4. “When a bachelorette party passed on a nearby boat, the passengers threw Ellingson a life ring “but they didn’t know my son was handcuffed,” Craig said. “Piercy didn’t say he was handcuffed.”

      “The women told investigators that they screamed at Piercy to extend a pole to Ellingson, which he did “but he knew he was handcuffed,” Craig said.

      “Piercy did not call a supervisor for help until an hour after Ellingson drowned.”

      This guy should be a U. S. Senator.

      1. R C Dean

        which he did “but he knew he was handcuffed,”

        To me, that elevates it from negligence/manslaughter to some degree of murder. There’s an element of contemptuous intent in extending a pole to a drowning man who is handcuffed that leaves a very bad taste in my mouth.

        Fucking Christ on a cracker, why didn’t he jump in and rescue the guy, or tell the others present that he needed someone to go in after him?

        1. 0x90

          I’m going with: because just prior, he’d threatened to drown the guy, and was not eager to have him tell that tale.

  39. xenophon

    Socialism is literally evil:

    http://www.newser.com/story/244938/parents-lose-last-court-fight-to-save-their-baby.html

    If the parents have the means to try an experimental treatment, why should a court be able to block that?

  40. xenophon

    “After we were compared to dogs urinating on fire hydrants when we edited stories, in an internal report that called for the elimination of “low-value editing” and made it all but clear which stages of editing this referred to — so much so that it became a running joke among the copy desks for months (“How’s the low-value editing going in your section today?”) — along with the report’s implication that copy editing was merely finding “easily identifiable errors, such as spelling and grammar mistakes”;”

    As a professional copy editor of nearly 15 years’ experience, not urinating on the writers is Editing 101. I mean, it’s been at least 12 or 13 years since I’ve witnessed or participated in any sort of authorial micturition. Crazy that the Gray Lady has fallen so far.

      1. xenophon

        Si si–gracias

    1. Suthenboy

      Why do people think the grey lady has fallen? Doesn’t that imply that it was once a bastion of journalistic integrity?

      1. Q Continuum

        Maybe 100 years ago…

  41. Q Continuum

    I have such a tremendous amount of respect for Sharyl Attkisson. She torched any chance she had of getting invited to teh cocktale partiez and has become a media pariah because SHE TELLS THE FUCKING TRUTH. One of a dying breed of true journalists that actually give a shit about ethics, standards and truth. Also important: I have no idea who she voted for or if she even voted. She could be a rabid partisan progressive in her private life, but she checks it at the door when she goes in to work.

    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/06/28/attkisson_well-funded_actors_manipulating_news_trust_your_cognitive_dissonance.html

    1. straffinrun

      She’s right. The media is such a pile of used condoms scattered across a hooker’s floor that even Chinese gymnast couldn’t cross it without slicking his soles. Faces caked with makeup, reading off teleprompters. Writers linking to articles citing other articles based on acid dreams.

      1. straffinrun

        Maybe time for bed. Fuck the media.

      2. Stinky Wizzleteats

        OK, the used condom/Chinese gymnast thing-I’m going to have to steal that.

    2. Suthenboy

      Linked on that page: CNN reporter demanding an end to fake news then in the same screed claims Trump wants dictatorial power.

      In answer to someones question earlier: I think they believe their own bullshit. The guy even has TDS face.

      1. Count Potato

        TDS Face?

        1. Suthenboy

          I have seen it a few times now on reporters. Bug eyes, Fear mixed with panic while screeching about TrumPutin murdering babies.

          This really is something to see. Nearly half of the country has gone insane.

        2. Q Continuum

          Much, much worse than an O-face.

  42. The Late P Brooks

    As part of a young couple’s quest for YouTube fame, a 19-year-old woman shot at a book her boyfriend was holding against his chest, killing him at close range outside their northwestern Minnesota home.

    This gives me an idea. I want to know if an anvil dropped on somebody’s head will bounce off harmlessly. Which one of you intrepid science lovers would like to assist me in this inquiry?

    1. I would but I’m too busy trying to figure out if a cork blocking the muzzle will cause my shotgun to blow up in my face and make me look like Al Jolsen.

      1. Stinky Wizzleteats

        He’s currently a corpse so quite possibly yes.

        1. *opera applause*

    2. Number.6

      Or dropping an outhouse down the side of a cliff, and just as it’s about to hit the ground, you step out, thereby saving yourself.

    3. Pope Jimbo

      C’mon Brooks. Everyone knows it won’t bounce harmlessly off a person’s head.

      The consensus of scientists has told us that it will compress a person into a springlike object and then the person will walk funny for about a hundred yards afterwards.

  43. Q Continuum

    Ummm…. this really should have happened in Florida instead of Minnesoda. I feel bad that the guy died, but this really should be a candidate for a Darwin award.

    http://www.newser.com/story/244970/teen-kills-boyfriend-when-stunt-goes-wrong-cops.html

    PS: A *.50 cal* handgun? Did she shoot him with a fucking Desert Eagle?

    1. Q Continuum

      DAMMIT BROOKS!

    2. Jesus. That’s like the fifth guy that’s happened to this week. Don’t these people read the fucking news?

      1. Q Continuum

        Oddly enough they all have the same name. Quite a coincidence.

    3. Stinky Wizzleteats

      Googled it and you called it correctly. Can’t get much stupider but RIP anyway.

    4. Count Potato

      Someone should at least try it with a 500 Wyoming to mix it up a bit.

      1. Q Continuum

        .50 BMG from point blank. I’m totes sure a phone book would stop that.

        1. Number.6

          I could totally imagine some moron out there with a S&W 500 revolver pulling that shit, a .50 BMG less so. That would require a special, special kind of stupid.

          Getting Hathcocked from 4ft away would totally suck.

        2. Count Potato

          OK, .50 BMG, but it has to be a derringer.

          1. Suthenboy

            I remember that Elmer Keith re-chambered a standard bolt action rifle in 50BMG. He hung it on the wall in his shop. One day a guy was there hanging around to bullshit and noticed the rifle. He begged Keith to let him shoot it so they took it out back and the guy popped one off. Of course it knocked him flat on his ass. After the guy put his teeth and eyeballs back in he said “Goddamn! How can you stand to shoot that?”

            Keith – “Oh, I am not stupid enough to shoot the thing. It’s just a conversation piece.”

          2. Count Potato

            LOL

  44. The Late P Brooks

    I would but I’m too busy trying to figure out if a cork blocking the muzzle will cause my shotgun to blow up in my face and make me look like Al Jolsen.

    After you let me drop the anvil on you, I’ll be happy to stick my fingers (like Moe eye-gouging Curly) in the barrels of your coach gun so it blows up in your face.

  45. commodious spittoon

    Kelly “All Mexicans Scrub Toilet Bowls” Osbourne took to Twitter to blast Starbucks for toilet-related mishap: SHAME on U @Starbucks #PissedMyOwnPants in this location because UR shameful employees refused to let me use the [toilet.] I have piss in my shoe

    Starbucks, helpfully, issued a statement: “We are working to follow up with Ms. Osbourne to clarify any confusion. There simply is no restroom in this store, and inquiring customers are typically directed to a store a few blocks away,” a rep for Starbucks told Page Six on Monday. “We sincerely apologize for any misunderstanding and hope to welcome Ms. Osbourne back for a beverage on us very soon!”

    1. Q Continuum

      I’m guessing she was intoxicated on something…

      1. Wait…an Osbourne, intoxicated?!?!

    2. Stinky Wizzleteats

      Classy, classy lady.

    3. Pat

      Time was you might just keep a thing like that to yourself to avoid public embarrassment, even if the store did refuse to let you use their bathroom.

      Now you just look like a fucking moron as well as a pants pisser.

  46. Count Potato

    “Remy: People Will Die!”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXWhbUUE4ko

    1. Q Continuum

      That is the first time I’ve heard about this!

    1. Hyperion

      No worries, Merkel will take them all.

    1. KibbledKristen

      At this point I’m just sitting back and enjoying watching them eat themselves.

      And Bruno Mars is a cool dude. He talked about living in a shack in the garden where his father worked, and how much he loved it and what a great time that was in his life. He appreciates shit.

  47. Enough About Palin

    Woman to be deported. I will post without further comment because I want to know your reactions. But I might dive into the comments.

    I had a bench warrant for Failure to Appear for about three years. But unlike this woman, I wasn’t stupid enough to drive.

    1. Ken Shultz

      I drove around without registration in the South Bay (Los Angeles) for two years.

      It pissed off the cop who lived down the street so bad, he had my truck towed out of my driveway on Christmas eve.

      What’s that John Wooden said, “If you don’t have time to do it right, how will you find the time to do it twice”?

      There’s also, “You can’t get blood from a stone”.

      1. WTF

        So the cop trespassed onto your property and literally stole your car. Without repercussion, of course.

  48. The Late P Brooks

    Bleeding from her whatever

    em>President Trump on Thursday assailed the television host Mika Brzezinski in unusually personal and vulgar terms, the latest of a string of escalating attacks by the president on the national news media.

    Shortly before 9 a.m., as Ms. Brzezinski’s MSNBC show “Morning Joe” was ending, Mr. Trump used Twitter to taunt Ms. Brzezinski and her co-host, Joe Scarborough, referring to them as “low I.Q. Crazy Mika, along with Psycho Joe” and saying that at one point Ms. Brzezinski was “bleeding badly from a face-lift.’’

    Excellent. “Low IQ crazy Mika” you say? I think the truth is (or should be) an unassailable defense. I’d say Joke is more of a ventriloquist’s dummy than a psycho, but I won’t quibble.

    1. Hyperion

      He should have used Mika ‘Chickenlegs’ Brzezinski

    2. The fact that she was immediately ready with the “made for small hands” cheerios picture pretty much proves his point.

  49. The Late P Brooks

    Also- Trump fucked up by not referring to it as a “botched” facelift.

  50. Ayn Random Variation

    So the Knicks drafted a guard in the second round who was accused of participating in a college gang rape. No trial, much less a conviction.
    So on the Knicks blog I frequent, one of the older (over 60) posters made a comment about being accused doesn’t mean you did it.
    So out came the SJWs …misogynist, rape apologist, etc. Naturally the thing quickly escalated into a lunch mob and the guy got banned.
    I don’t like the poster, as he has very trolly tendecies, but I stood up for him after I found out he was banned. I tried to explain that he wasn’t a rape apologist-meaning I tried to explain what words mean.
    So I noticed that my next post had an “under moderation” note on it. I seem to have made it through the moderation thing though, even though it was a strongly worded post.

    Anyway, I wanted to share cause where else can I talk about this stuff?

    1. Ayn Random Variation

      Oh, the post that really set me off was where a poster said that even the DA said the guy raped her, so he must be guilty.

    2. Naturally the thing quickly escalated into a lunch mob and the guy got banned.

      The others were hungry for justice, apparently.

      1. JD

        Paging Swiss.

      2. *strongly narrows gaze*

    3. Chipwooder

      Was it Posting and Toasting? If so, I’m not surprised. The SB Nation/Vox crowd slants heavily to the SJW side.

  51. The Late P Brooks

    Anyway, I wanted to share cause where else can I talk about this stuff?

    The clouds are always there to listen.

    1. *shakes fist at sky*

  52. Suthenboy

    I see Rush Limbaugh stole the analogy of Trump being the guy with the laser pointer and the press being the crazed terrier chasing the spot around the floor. I dont remember who used that…yesterday?…day before?….but he changed the terrier to a cat. I am fairly sure our forums are read by a lot of people and some of the stuff we say gets picked up. Maybe.

    When you have to talk for hours every day I suppose youh ave to have researchers out looking for stuff to talk about.

    1. Suthenboy

      Also I dont think there are rich sources lying all around the innertubes. There are precious few places where you can find things worth reading that aren’t copyrighted. Now, if you are looking for derp we are awash in that, but insightful or interesting? Not so much.

    2. R C Dean

      He did it again with his comment about Mika Brenziqwerty “bleeding”

      I heard poorly rated @Morning_Joe speaks badly of me (don’t watch anymore). Then how come low I.Q. Crazy Mika, along with Psycho Joe, came..

      …to Mar-a-Lago 3 nights in a row around New Year’s Eve, and insisted on joining me. She was bleeding badly from a face-lift. I said no!

      Chase that laser. CHASE IT!

      1. commodious spittoon

        Yeah, well, there are bills what need passing, and part of getting them passed is advertising to the public their imminent practicality and wisdom. Which isn’t happening when Trump squats on the news cycle and delivers a ropey piss deluge like an incontinent dog. Granted, the media is going to do everything in its power to not report on positive, broadly popular efforts by conservative lawmakers, but JFC dude, you don’t have to softball them headlines right over the plate.

        1. commodious spittoon

          ^eminently

          I always do that.

        2. american socialist

          Who in the media is going to positively advertise GOP legislation?

          If u listen to press a bill essentially Obamacare means mass murder of poor people

        3. Viking1865

          Yeah I remember how Bush’s Social Security reform sailed through due to the media’s honest, unbiased, thoughtful, and restrained reporting on the pros and cons.

          If the GOP had any fucking balls or brains at all they would have passed half a dozen laws already while the media shrieked about Zee Russians.

          1. kbolino

            They don’t have 60 seats in the Senate. There are things they can get done (approve appointments) and things they can’t (pass bills without any Democratic support).

            That doesn’t mean they aren’t a bit feckless, though. A lot of them have angry constituents to answer to, the media having riled them up with empty bullshit.

          2. Q Continuum

            Change the rule to drop legislative filibuster. You know the Dems would have done it already if they could.

          3. kbolino

            I suppose that would be the next step, but I can absolutely see that coming back to bite them in the ass later. Although, as you note, there is no inherent permanence to the thing if they leave it in place for now.

          4. kbolino

            Interestingly enough, my Google search for “what would it take to abolish the filibuster entirely” returned a whole host of left-wing blogs and media outlets gleeful over the potential abolition of the filibuster, and all of them were written well into Trump’s presidency. While I’m sure that is a sword that cuts both ways, I am hesitant to embrace something the left wants so badly.

          5. Viking1865

            So you pass things that have broad support and make the Dems take a stand. Make them filibuster tax cuts. Make them explain to the American people why the government owns 77,000 empty buildings.

  53. The Late P Brooks

    If the NYT says it, you know it’s true

    Medical inflation, which usually rises faster than the general inflation rate, also pushes up Medicaid costs. But Medicaid is not driving that inflation. In fact, compared with privately insured care, Medicaid’s costs have risen more slowly over the past decade and its costs per beneficiary are lower, partly because it has no profit margin.

    Or, perhaps, Medicaid cost are “lower” because the 8000 pound gorilla writing the checks lowballs reimbursement. It has nothing whatsoever to do with “profit margins” real or imagined.

    1. american socialist

      If Medicaid or Medicare reimbursements are lower than health care providers expect they make it up in other areas

      1. WTF

        Which is also why many doctors and dentists will not take many Medicaid patients

  54. KSuellington

    Here in SF they recently came to a compromise in regards to when illegal immigrants can be turned over to ICE. If you now get two violent felonies in the last seven years then you qualify to be turned over. This compromise happened because the ultra progressive wing here wanted absolutely no turn overs of anyone. They also just voted to give illegal immigrants voting rights, but only for school board positions.

    1. leonadasiv

      But you know it’s going to be too expensive to print out separate ballots…

      1. R C Dean

        Hadn’t even thought of that. How can you possibly run an election with some voters only allowed to vote for certain offices on the ballot but not others?

        1. KSuellington

          Hello may I please have the illegal immigrant ballot? Oh, you are out. No problem, just give me a regular one and I will promise only to fill out the positions I am allowed to vote for.

          If you want to see the end game of what the Dems are looking to accomplish this is a great place to look.

          1. Suthenboy

            I recall from 2012 there were serious calls from major dem outlets to have the population of the entire world eligible to vote in American presidential elections. It is pretty obvious that their party contains a fair percentage of people who are actively trying to destroy the country.

          2. KSuellington

            There is no such thing as voter fraud. It’s all merely a ruse to stop black and brown people from voting. Everyone knows that they don’t have IDs. And also we are totally not racist for saying that because we are progressive.

      2. Dr Mossy Lawn

        In our area, school board and budget voting days are on completely separate days.

        1. KSuellington

          Here it is all together.

    2. R C Dean

      They also just voted to give illegal immigrants voting rights, but only for school board positions.

      Naturally, those new registered voters will only vote in school board elections.

      I wonder if ICE could post officers at the door to polling stations to run IDs? I mean, if you know there are illegals with voter registration cards, why not?

      1. KSuellington

        They have put this on the ballot about four times now, and last November it finally passed. I can’t see how it passes Constitutional muster.

        1. kbolino

          I can’t see how it passes Constitutional muster.

          While I have raised this same question, and the modern doctrine of Federal supremacy changes the calculus a bit, it is worth noting that most states did not require citizenship to vote until the early 20th century. It would be a violation of Federal law for a non-citizen to vote in a national election, but I don’t think there is any penalty if a state takes a lax enforcement stance (but that could change, of course).

    3. Q Continuum

      Oh well gee, two whole violent felonies before I have to face any consequences? That means I get the first one for free! Who should I kill…

      1. kbolino

        You’ll still go to prison.

        1. R C Dean

          Not really, no. If you are jailed, ICE can and will come get you. The only way that first felony doesn’t turn into a deportation is if you’re not jailed or imprisoned, and you manage to dodge ICE at the courthouse.

          1. kbolino

            If you can prove me wrong, then do so.

            ICE is a federal agency. Most felonies are not federal crimes, but rather state crimes. ICE gets as much or as little cooperation as a state wants to give it, and a state is a sovereign entity. A municipality, as a subdivision of a state, is answerable to the state, not ICE. If they can refuse to hand over a convict then they can refuse to hand over their records and refuse to admit agents into their prisons. All of these things can have consequences in terms of federal funding and LE reciprocity, but until a court says otherwise, a state can’t be forced to comply.

          2. R C Dean

            until a court says otherwise, a state can’t be forced to comply.

            Fair enough, kbo, but it may not make much difference practically.

            I know for a fact that ICE is intercepting illegals in courthouses without the consent of the municipality or state. Courthouses are open to the public, and states cannot affirmatively prevent federal agents from enforcing federal laws.

            A state might be able to bar ICE from going into jails or prisons to take illegals for deportation (not clear to me, see above on “cannot affirmatively prevent”), but that just means ICE has to wait for the prisoner to be released and pick them up at the exits. Who is a prisoner is not a secret (and cannot be kept secret); ICE can find out who the illegals are that you have jailed. Absent affirmative action by the state to shield a prisoner from ICE, which is a felony under current federal law (“aiding and abetting”), its very difficult to prevent ICE from intercepting and deporting a prisoner on their release.

          3. kbolino

            Agreed on most parts, except:

            ICE can find out who the illegals are that you have jailed

            Can they? If the person is known to ICE already, then yeah I could see that. But if it’s just a name on a docket, how would they know, absent a tip-off from the state or some published attestation to their lack of legal immigration status?

          4. R C Dean

            But if it’s just a name on a docket, how would they know,

            if the illegal has a decent fake ID, they probably wouldn’t. But, ICE has databases and algorithms, I am sure, for checking citizenship and likely for evaluating suspected IDs. I don’t know what kind of info is more or less generally available to law enforcement regarding arrestees – maybe not much. But convicted prisoners? People coming up for trial? Oh, yeah, there is plenty of info on them.

            Not perfect, but if you truly don’t want any first-time felon suspects deported, you’re going to have to release them almost immediately. The longer they are in your system, the more opportunities ICE has to ID and snatch them.

  55. The Late P Brooks

    Speaking of obsession

    Donald Trump has a thing about Barack Obama. Trump is obsessed with Obama. Obama haunts Trump’s dreams.

    ——————

    Obama was a phenomenon. He was elegant and cerebral. He was devoid of personal scandal and drenched in personal erudition. He was a walking, talking rebuttal to white supremacy and the myths of black pathology and inferiority. He was the personification of the possible — a possible future in which legacy power and advantages are redistributed more broadly to all with the gift of talent and the discipline to excel.

    “Leave Obama alooooooooone!”

    Post racial America, brought to you by Barack Obama and Charles Blow.

    1. Suthenboy

      Goddamned cult of personality creeps me the fuck out. I dont think the Jim Jones crowd was as bad as the Obama groupies. Rev. Moon wished he had sycophants like Obama does. I know, same kinds of people = same pattern of behavior.

    2. american socialist

      Wow the delusion is strong

      1. kbolino

        Messiah, President, what’s the difference?

    3. Q Continuum

      NYT Staff: Oh Barack, mmmm…. it’s so big I just can’t fit it all in my mouth!

      1. WTF

        It is fitting that the writer’s name is Blow.

  56. The Late P Brooks

    Bret Stephens, conservative journalist, finds a home.

    If nothing else, Trump has the bully’s cunning to pick on a target more unpopular than he is. And like a bully, he knows that his mark suffers the additional weakness of being susceptible to moral reproach. Institutions with a conscience have a tendency to be weak. They set standards to which they are bound to fall short, and publicly hold themselves to account.

    Preserving — even cultivating — a capacity for shame, they are easily shamed. The shameless, having none, are only too glad to participate in the shaming.

    That’s why it was a mistake of CNN to let the three journalists — veteran reporter Thomas Frank and editors Lex Haris and Eric Lichtblau — responsible for the Scaramucci story go. The political success of Trump’s assault on the press depends on his conflation of mistakes with dishonesty, of fallibility with fakery.

    Welcome to the NYT. Check your self-awareness at the door.

    1. R C Dean

      Institutions with a conscience have a tendency to be weak.

      Well, that excludes the DemOp Media.

      The political success of Trump’s assault on the press depends on his conflation of mistakes with dishonesty

      That only works if Trump is the only one who thinks the press is dishonest. Apparently, that’s not the case. And, at some point, mistakes that all run the same way aren’t mistakes anymore, but are propaganda, a campaign to mislead, or something else that is dishonest.

  57. The Late P Brooks

    Assuming no dishonesties were involved in CNN’s actions, cashiering the journalists does less to uphold the network’s reputation for probity than it does to advance Trump’s work. No news organization is going to pass an infallibility test, and advancing a perception that we should pass such a test merely sets us up for diminishing public regard. Journalistic honesty is better measured through corrections than dismissals.

    That’s a lesson that bears repeating now, as the White House’s media vilification strategy comes to resemble a war on truth itself. I’ve noted elsewhere that Trump’s notion of truth is whatever he can get away with, at any given moment, for any given purpose.

    No serious news organization can stand for it, which is why this president and the press would be destined for an adversarial relationship even if their ideological leanings were more in sync. Call it the clash of epistemologies — truth as a construct of facts versus truth as a collection of wants and wishes. And never the twain shall meet.

    Assuming no dishonesties were involved in CNN’s actions

    this president and the press would be destined for an adversarial relationship even if their ideological leanings were more in sync

    Holy shit, what a load of delusional poppycock.

    1. leonadasiv

      It all makes sense if you just play along with their fantasy land ideas

  58. R C Dean

    He was devoid of personal scandal

    Of course, there is his wife’s promotion and big raise right after he got to the Senate and got a big grant to her employer through. There’s also the rather odd real estate transaction in Chicago where he bought, if memory serves, the neighboring lot to his house for a deep discount. One wonders about the thorough memory-holing of his entire academic career, and the rather odd way that he got a job or two in Chicago, as well.

    and drenched in personal erudition.

    Of, FFS. He never showed the slightest sign of personal erudition that I can recall. You want an erudite pol, look to Mattis for your example.

  59. The Late P Brooks

    He never showed the slightest sign of personal erudition that I can recall.

    Oh, come on. He was a clean, well-spoken negro. A credit to his race.

  60. The Late P Brooks

    Poor, helpless, pathetic Mika

    Look. This is bullying, plain and simple. And, it’s bullying by a powerful man against a woman because of her looks. He also attacked her intelligence and her sanity.
    Condemning Trump for this should not be a political decision. It should be a moral one. We don’t want to live in a society where a powerful man (or any man!) can use his social media following to intimidate or bully a woman. Or anybody. Is it acceptable to bully a reporter with a disability just because the reporter is a man? That’s something we should all be able to agree is not a good thing. And is the sort of thing we need to stand up against because we don’t want our kids growing up in a world in which that sort of thing becomes even marginally acceptable behavior.

    She’s just a victim. It’s not like she has a share in a daily “news” show on the teevee from which she attempts to undermine, denigrate and delegitimize the President. She’s a defenseless little snowflake, melting in the baleful glare of random unprovoked Presidential tweetery.

    1. R C Dean

      bullying by a powerful man against a woman because of her looks

      His sole comment about her looks was that she was bleeding from a facelift. He wasn’t bullying her because of her looks. He was bullying her for being stupid and crazy. Geez.

      the sort of thing we need to stand up against because we don’t want our kids growing up in a world in which that sort of thing becomes even marginally acceptable behavior.

      This kind of thing works better when you aren’t very, very selective about the kind of bullying that bothers you. You morons normalized this kind of crap, so nobody cares if you complain about it now.

      1. kbolino

        Every offense is now defined in terms of a power imbalance, and the real rub is that power is what they say it is. Trump as President? Holds all the power. Obama as President? Still beholden to the power of white supremacy, patriarchy, etc.