When you first think about it, you probably wonder why you would ever want to take a gun into space. After you think about it a little more, though, you probably wonder why you would ever not want to take a gun into space. Thousands of miles from everywhere, in a hostile environment, with no chance of escape or rescue… sounds like exactly the kind of situation to require some ballistic backup. Whether you need to un-stick a broken escape hatch or simply quell an interplanetary mutiny, a gun is a must have for any space faring humanoid. Okay, in all seriousness, some astronaut crews did take a gun into space, at least for a period of time. They weren’t designed for use during the trip, however. Well, most of them weren’t, anyway. They were for use afterwards. The thinking was that if a capsule went way off course and landed in the middle of bumfuck nowhere the ‘nauts would have a survival weapon they could use to defend from predators and forage for food until the cavalry arrived.
Shockingly, the Americans are actually not the most tooled up group of people outside of the atmosphere. I can find no record of NASA issuing or allowing any sort of guns on shuttle missions or the space station. There is a possibility that at one point they were equipped with M6 survival rifles or even Beretta 9mm pistols, but I can’t find any definitive proof of it so your guess is as good as mine. The Russians, on the other hand might as well open up a branch of the NRA on the moon, cause as far as I can tell every fucking manned spaceflight they went on had a gun on board. Originally they started out with Makarov pistols. These reliable little handguns carry 8 rounds of 9×18 (similar to .380) in a very compact package. This went on for a few years, until a mission went a bit off. One of the capsules missed it’s landing area by about 600 miles and ended up in the middle of Siberia. I don’t know if you’ve ever been to Siberia, but it’s a bit like Australia or Florida, in that everything wants to kill you. Unlike Australia or Florida, however, most of those things would laugh at you for pointing a 9mm pistol at it before mauling you and eating your steaming intestines like spaghetti while you were still alive and screaming. Thankfully, the cosmonauts survived, and one of them, Alexey Leonov, apparently developed a lasting impression of that particular feeling of terror since he mandated that a new survival weapon be developed for the space program after becoming a major general.
Thus was born the first gun designed to go to space: The TP-82. I will give the commies credit, when they design a rifle they really go all out. The TP-82 is a triple barrel short barreled shotgun/rifle combo. The top two barrels are 12.5x70mm shotgun bore (roughly 38 gauge), while the bottom center barrel is chambered in 5.45×39, the common caliber of the AK 74 assault rifle. The gun has a detachable stock that doubles as a machete (no I don’t know how they fired it without cutting their arms off either) and came with birdshot, rifle rounds, and signal flares. This gun flew with all of the cosmonauts from 1986 until 2007, and even made it into the space station according to rumors. In 2007, Russia announced that there was no more shotgun ammo for the gun and no more could be produced, and the weapon was officially retired, with the cosmonauts returning to a standard semi automatic handgun. Let’s hope their search and rescue response times have gotten better.
Don’t think for a second that all space weaponry was for boring old hunting and survival, though. It turns out that the reds are much more ambitious than we like to admit, because these sons of bitches went full fucking Moonraker on us and actually developed and fielded laser pistols. That’s right. Laser. Fricken. Pistols. Take THAT, John Browning! They were magazine fed and used flashbulb technology. Their reported function was to disable enemy spy satellites, but it is said that they could burn through a helmet or fry someone’s eyeballs at 60 feet. Whether or not this is actually true or a load of crap is anyone’s guess, but hats off to them for bringing energy weapons into reality.
So, what could top directed energy weapons in space? Oh I don’t know… how about an armed satellite? In the 1970s, the Soviets developed the Almaz program, which launched 3 manned reconnaissance satellites into orbit. These satellites were supposed to monitor comms traffic and do orbital imaging, but don’t think they were just for show either. Each one was fitted with a 23mm belt fed autocannon capable of 2000 rounds a minute. Of course, they didn’t carry very much ammo, but then again it doesn’t take much damage to really wreck your day in space. While they never actually attacked anything (there’s no record of it, anyway) they did successfully remotely test fire the weapon on multiple occasions.
All of this research has led me to one inescapable conclusion: The Russians will eventually own space and become fearsome interplanetary pirates, while our hopeless and disarmed astronauts fall victim to their merciless supply raids and wanton destruction. If only we hadn’t elected Trump…..
Second!
Third?
This makes sense if Vhyrus is considered to be ‘first’.
If you’re not first you’re last.
When seconds count and police are several months from getting a launch window away…
For other directed energy weapons in space, though not man-portable, google “Casaba Howitzer.” http://toughsf.blogspot.com/2016/06/the-nuclear-spear-casaba-howitzer.html It was an off-shoot of research into the Orion program, that idea where you move the ship by dropping nuclear bombs behind it and riding the explosion. Casaba Howitzer was one of many programs that tried to direct the explosion of a nuclear device. Which shouldn’t seem too amazing; it’s basically how a thermonuclear or staged nuclear device works. Take some of the energy from the huge explosion next door, and use it to force an even larger explosion.
The story of that Siberia landing of Voshkod 2 which IIRC, came about from a launch abort (check that, it was another Siberia landing after launch abort that I’m thinking of in the Soyuz program. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soyuz_7K-T_No.39) is pretty crazy. You had guys hanging out for a day in the woods waiting for the good guys to show up. I can’t think of any water recoveries in the US program that took near as long to find the astronauts, as you see in the Soviet program.
“It was an off-shoot of research into the Orion program, that idea where you move the ship by dropping nuclear bombs behind it and riding the explosion.”
This is the kind of shit people want.
No wonder people don’t want to fund NASA anymore. We just keep hearing about the wonder of it all. Going to the moon was supposed to be about colonizing space.
I want interstellar travel in my lifetime. Tell me you’re going to finance a project to achieve light speed. Tell me you need to do this project to kick start hyperdrive research, and my libertarian principles start to break down . . . as you approach the speed of light . . . maybe.
Footfall motherfucker. Best alien invasion book ever.
OMG…I remember reading that.
Definitely. Michael was the bomb.
there is a reason niven is my favorie sci-fi author. protector is it, but footfall doesnt hurt.
I should read Footfall. I love Lucifer’s Hammer and Oath of Fealty.
Niven + Pournelle is pretty much the best of both worlds – “FootFall”, “Lucifer’s Hammer”, “Mote in God’s Eye” – and “Legacy of Heorot”/”Beowulf’s Children”.
Was footfall the one with Allen’s who looked like elephants and they invaded with parachutes?
Yes. And X-ray lasers pumped by nukes.
“The TP-82 is a triple barrel short barreled shotgun/rifle combo.”
The WSJ ran a story a while back about a small airplane that doubles as a minivan. The wings fold up against the side of the van. You can literally land it on a runway, drive it home, and park it in your garage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnF2yua4KIw
The first thing it thought when I saw that was, “It’s a total failure if it can’t also double as a submarine”.
The commies were way ahead of people like me on this gun. Of course I want an SBR that doubles as a shotgun, and of course it should have a pistol grip. Give me some fishing tackle, some iodine tablets, and one of those paracord bracelets with some steel and flint built into the clasp, and you can take your time rescuing me. Especially if my girlfriend’s sister is coming for the weekend.
P.S. Paracord bracelets are today what fanny packs on rednecks were in the ’90s.
Can someone recommend a decent photo posting site? For some reason I’m blanking on the name of the site I used to use (account and all that)….something with a P. Just want to be able to link a few pics here.
Pinterest?
No…it was something pic…..either way…that boat has probably sailed along with my archived dvd collection photos from 2008.
Anyone have a new suggestion? Is imgur for personal stuff?
picasa
imgur is fine. They have been known to suppress stuff for SJW reasons, but I’m blocking ads anyways, so fuck ’em.
They’re not shy about hosting terabytes of porn. I hear.
Photobucket?
that’s it. found it.
Pornhub?
+ 1 community upload
I use putfile myself.
Postimage?
To be used for orbital maneuvers if the thrusters conk out.
+1 Michael…but not quite enough oomph to move the Iowa.
I didn’t think of that. I was first going to call it the Quentin Tarantino school of Astrodynamics.
Ever read “King David’s Spaceship”? By Pournelle, part of the CoDominium series (set at the same time as “The More in God’s Eye”.)
Yep, it was included in the “Pride and Glory” collection (or whatever it’s called). I has a sad that I think I’ve read everything he’s written in the “empire of man” setting…or nearly everything.
Look, man, Newton’s Laws are in the public domain. Don’t get snippy with me if haven’t read or remembered some book you like.
I always thought this thing
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyrojet
was a US space gun but that was a misconception I picked up at some point.
It obvious we have a spaceguns gap with the Russians. Horrifying.
I think I’ll stick to my Browning-designed autos.
Pronounced Year-o-jet, of course. 😉
Good article and I’m a huge fan of the 5.45×39….but I’m gonna change the subject.
I have a CZ 75 compact that I just don’t love, but I want to. The trigger is just so “meh”. I’m looking for feedback on the Cajun gun works defensive carry package. Anyone send theirs off for this work?
https://cajungunworks.com/product/75-series-defensive-carry-package-338-00/
I don’t own a CZ 75, but I want to and have spent a lot of time obsessing over them. I’ve never heard anything other than great things about CGW’s work, and I don’t think you can go wrong with them.
The downside is that their wait time was a bit on the long side the last time I checked.
I have one too and the trigger was graunchy when I first got it. Haven’t tried CGW but a snap cap and a few hundred trigger pulls smoothed it out a bit-still not the greatest though.
I don’t know much about cajun works, but if you want cz work done the only place I can recommend is cz customs. They do amazing work, and they are right down the street from me so I can egg their cars if they fuck up your gun for you.
That might be the best reply yet…I´ll let you know. Keep those eggs close by.
I’d say there are probably three places when it comes to CZ work –
As Vhyrus says, CZ Custom are very good, particularly on the high end guns, but from my understanding, they primarily offer optimized CZ parts.
CGW have their own value-add with some of their own in-house parts. They used to make a ghost ring sight for the CZs IIRC, and as I note below, I’ve had some excellent results with them
Lastly, Automatic Accuracy has a great reputation among the race gun guys. I’ve fired a couple of guns ‘done’ by AA, and they shot great. AA have been doing custom work for years.
Cajun Gun works is very highly regarded on the CZ forums.
If you dont love it…I might be so inclined to give it a good home…I always liked CZ. Had a CZ 40 in college, just couldn’t find a holster for it.
Now that I think about it some more, is it a 75c, a PCR or a P-01? If its the P-01 I’ll more likely to want it after I sober up.
75c.
Satin silver frame with black slide.
I own two CGW pimped-out CZs
The defensive carry ‘package’ is just a best-of-breeds set of upgrades.
I have a CZ-75 PCR with all the *components* of the DCP, but possibly not all the polishing and tuning of the frame and mechanism. I bought the parts and had them all fitted by a local gunsmith, who I rate as ‘good’, but certainly not as experienced as the guys at CGW. But after fitting, the gun was night-and-day. My gunsmith thought the components were really top notch.
When I bought my SP-01, I bought it from CGW and basically had them do all that work before it was shipped to me, and of course, I’m getting CGW’s gunsmithing expertise. I’ve never fired an unmodified SP-01, but I’ve shot lots of CZ75 standard models in my time, and the SP01 is fantastic.
Of course, once you add the cost of that defensive carry package on to the cost of a CZ, the whole deal costs about the same as a SIG P226/9 Enhanced, so it’s no longer a *cheap* service pistol, but it’s a *really good* service pistol.
So yeah, run don’t walk. Do it. Especially if you know already that the CZ is a good ergonomic fit for you.
Reminded of this for some reason.
So now I’m reminded of this thnaks, Vhyrus now I’m going to have to spend four buck to rent it from amazon.
Got a VHS player? You s/b able to get a copy for $.50 or so.
From what I remember, that’s about $.25 too much, but whatevs.
Right, like i’m going to stay drunk long enough to hunt down a VHS copy, I’ll just give musk/bezos/theil/gates/jobs? (I can’t be arsed with remembering which douchbag owns what) my money now and be done with it. Plus four bucks for a 2 hour movie saves me like ten dollars, i.e. home beer vs. bar beer.
Meh, I own it on Amazon. Hyams FTW, yo.
Looks like Zed is out of uniform.
Is that a Canadarmaments in the Shuttle Door Gunner patch?
Think she has a chance?
Sheesh, behold arrogance. “I don’t even need to google Annie Lennox. Since I’ve never heard of her, she can’t be famous.”
Who?
Eurythmics
What?
“Prince?” You mean Prince Harry?
You know, that band that was prosecuted for a sexcrime.
Deviants.
Good Lord! I thought for thirty years that was Grace Jones. Still terrible.
Not their best, by any means. The beautiful irony was how it was banned by much of the US media (and by Euro media, IIRC, but can’t find corroboration)
Whatevs. Like you said, it was a shit song (to a very underrated movie, IMO).
I have a PA-63 in 9mm makerov. The PA-63 was the standard issue police and military side arm for Bulgaria (and other comm block countries in sure) in the 50s and 60s. I bought it for $100 when I was 19 or so. It’s a fun little gun to shoot.
Fuck cancer.
OT – Regarding the teepee on Parliament Hill, Justin should have marched up to the protesters, flicked a Bic and have security hustle those malcontents off the grounds tout suite. Fuck them. Fuck them with flaming teepee poles, preferably in their whinging assholes.
I mean, who in the ever loving fuck in the history of humanity gets a “do-over”? We’re soft, Man. Soft.
Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Native Americans:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cm29uMQiOyk
(starts slow, gets better)
BTW….re: your laser pistol post. Technically a non-lethal laser dazzler is “eye safe” under normal circumstances…..but if the person you dazzle happens to be using binoculars…you can blind them due to the non-standard pupillary depth. Similarly you can use a dazzler to destroy NVGs or other optics since they’re so much more sensitive to light.
Most of them have secondary invisible laser rangefinders that prevent the actual dazzler from activating at an “unsafe” range (for normal eyes)….but you can also spoof those in most cases.
I was under the misconception that “ray-gun” type weapons were banned by the ball-less freaks that populate International Tribunals.
It’s “non-lethal” – hell, if required by rules of engagement, I could shine it at an aircraft. Dazzler =/ laser pointer.
Dispersion is also far greater – ie. 1 meter wide at 100m – not like a pointer.
I’m aware but it seems like the rule makers got most of their education by watching old sci-fi flicks. “Can’t burn people up with a laser when napalm and phosphorous work like a charm!”
That’s all power output issues – I posted some clips the other day, but Navy’s been testing their ship-based laser against drones, and small boats, etc. Don’t remember what the power output requirements are (I think they added an extra generator to the “afloat staging base” Ponce) – but the precision targeting is very nice. They need to make it more autonomous though before it has a chance against a supersonic cruise missile.
OT – so my big after-work project this past week was reworking my front steps. It’s a rental, but I like getting some real handyman experience and my landlady lets me deduct the cost of materials from my rent. And since this is a long lease, I don’t want these things collapsing under me.
Before and After pic
After the first pic, I stripped off what was left with some deck cleaner, got some Elmer’s Wood pulp repair/filler stuff in all the cracks and smoothed them out nice, then put on two coats of Olympic Deck Primer/Paint/Repair stuff – a good 24 hours between each coat.
It’s been over 48 hours since the last coat and we’re getting a bit more rain – and it seems to be holding up pretty well right now. Plan is to work on the back deck before the end of July.
I just want to know why the Russians issued
AstroCosmonauts machetes. What did they find up there.Hentai.
Космические сиськи!
Admits total ignorance of Cyrillic. Hangs head in shame, waiting for the honorable death.
My Russian is old and tired, but I think the idea is: “Space Tits”
My Russian is pretty googly but I think you’re right.
“Tits In SPAAAAAAAAAAAAACE!”
But why would you need a machete for that? Am I missing some sort of reference?
What if you meet space Amazonians? Need those left-hand tits cleaved off, right? I bet they’d be willing to trade you all kinds of space supplies for a good sharp machete.
Глибертарюнс: Отправляйся! Just kidding.
Fuck, I think I should have objected to Комодиюс Спитун earlier. Also, piss up a rope.
There’s a shortage of perfect breasts in this world… but hers would do nicely.
“Agricultural experiments on Mir too successful! Chives have infested cockpit!”
Huge floating breasts infest the crew compartment. Captain orders everyone but himself to the holodeck. See? It’s deep like Odysseus! Or stupid like Star Trek and tribbles.
Whatever, if Wesley dies, I OK with it.
OT, but it looks like the Czechs are looking into letting their citizens arm themselves.
Gee, I wonder why the “Eastern” Europeans are a little tetchy regarding the Turk?
Hardly OT. They’ll be buying CZs
Site ate my last post.
My big after-work project this past week was redoing my front steps.
Before/After“>
Stripped the last old material with some deck cleaner, used some Elmer’s Wood Pulp/Filler stuff on all the cracks and knots/etc – smoothed it all out. Then used two full coats of a Olympic resurfacer/primer/sealant. The last coat was a little over 48 hours ago and we had some rain this afternoon – so far it looks like it’s holding up pretty well. Hopefully it’ll last for a while. Mainly I wanted the handyman practice (compared to most of my rentals, this needs a bit more work) and the landlady lets me deduct the cost of materials from my rent (just saved $175 – it took a few more cans than I expected based on square footage).
Going to see about doing the back deck by the end of July.
I need to build a deck/stairs at my domicile. The cost to do it right is gonna bankrupt me. Preserved wood does not come cheap so thank Dog my truck is paid off in a month. Fencing next.
It looks great. If she is deducting materials, pull the boards and replace with Trex or some other composite maintenance free material. Charge her for labor.
No way! The whole point of this exercise is not to have them crap out completely before I move out in a couple years. I might be able to work my way up to that level of competency, but I’m nowhere near that right now and don’t have nearly enough time.
Great article. I did a bunch of, “no shit?”s and a few “really?”‘s. And a chuckle at the end. I can’t wait to visit the range in the basement of the Trump Tower in space that TrumPutin builds.
When you’re done shootin’ there’s a “Tag And And A Toe” exhibit wherein you visit a mock mortuary. Patrons get to slide the drawers out to reveal such worthies as Abe Lincoln, McKinley, and many, many Kennedy’s.
Sorry I missed the thread. Maybe I’ll ask this question again on another thread. So lots of AR lower receivers on sale which makes sense given all the options today. So if I were to do a build keeping in mind that at some point in the future I might like to convert to full auto, is it smart to go ahead and install an M16 trigger, disconnector , selector, and bolt carrier now in anticipation of possibly getting the stamp and auto sear later or am I asking for more attention than I want buying those M16 parts even though I’m not yet buying the auto sear? Just asking for opinions.
Nothing wrong with that approach but a full-auto bolts/BCG will set you back a bit more than standard parts.
Some lowers will have the third spot for the selector as a joke, such as saying “Im your huckleberry,” finding that is pretty easy.
Given how common FA BCGs are these days, I think you’re pretty safe buying the requisite parts. The ATF only starts drawing a bead on your dog once you start cracking jokes about buying a drill press “to drill out that third pin hole LOL.”
I may go ahead and do that then. I’m not breaking any laws as long as I don’t buy a sear so worst case I get added to a bunch of list I’m probably already on for coming here. Lol
Can you buy an auto sear other than one manufactured/registered pre-86 for personal possession?
I’m assuming so. Haven’t looked that far into it but I know the pre-86 resistered drop in sears are way more money than I have right now.
Gottdamerung but does that Sessions guy look like Smeagol.
Excellent li’l article, Vy.
Also, buttstock/machete: excellent screen (or, band) name.
Band name or bad date? You decide.
Sucks that the wimpy East Coasters kinda give up the ghost. We need some good ole fashioned alkyholics just to keep this clock runnin’ 12×12. Pussies, the lot of ye!