Firearms Friday: Foning in Firearms for a Fortnight

Yeah, I don’t have a whole lot to cover this week either. I still haven’t gotten to try my new gun (although with any luck I will have by the time you read this) so I can’t talk much about that, and nothing particularly noteworthy has popped up this week that I can devote a whole topic to, so I’ll be doing more firearms links. At least these one’s are actually worth talking about.

I want to talk quickly about a serious topic for a bit. There have been some high profile cases lately in which police officers have shot suspects under less than justifiable conditions and ended up found not guilty after a trial. The two that most readily spring to mind are Philandro Castile and Terrence Crutcher. My personal opinion is that both of these shooting were not justifiable, and while they may not constitute outright murder I would not hesitate to label these as involuntary manslaughter. The thread tying these two cases together is that both of the victims were either high or at least regular drug users (Crutcher tested positive for PCP while Castile tested positive for THC). A very disturbing trend I have noticed on my gun blogs (which in general run on the conservative side) are that these people somehow deserved their fate because they were drug users and therefore criminals. I get very bent out of shape when I hear people suggest that using drugs somehow justifies being murdered by a police officer because you violated a minor traffic law. It’s particularly maddening when very pro gun people, nearly all of whom carry a concealed handgun everyday, justify Castile’s shooting on the basis of ‘well he’s a drug user then by definition he’s not a legal concealed license holder’. And yes I have heard these actual arguments out of gun owners. It’s really put me off from the usual gun blogs as of late. I don’t have an answer to these problems, but it really sobers you up on the reality of traditional conservatives opening up their views on drug decriminalization.

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280 responses to “Firearms Friday: Foning in Firearms for a Fortnight”

  1. Vhyrus

    I feel the need to add this:

    1. That’s a nice addition.

      (Please, Edit Fairy, don’t fix it!)

    2. bacon-magic

      I agree with your statement about drug enthusiasts vs gun blogs/groups. I don’t let hardly any of my gun buddies know that I partake because of their misconceptions on it. One of my friends, who was in a band at the time, thought his steel player(country music lap guitar) had overdosed on mary jane because he was gone too long on break. Once again it shows that most people will just accept what the Man and the Media feeds them without questioning or researching the truth.

      1. Count Potato

        Most gun owners aren’t ready for this:

        http://gunsanddopeparty.net/

      2. “The War on Drugs is wicked. Why would anybody want to encage people for trying to change their brain chemistry in a way somebody doesn’t like?”

        1. ArchieBunker

          There aint no rest for the wicked

    3. TK

      A welcome addition!

    4. Gray Ghost

      Vhyrus, related to your last paragraph, what would be your opinion of a LTC holder being drunk while carrying a weapon and interacting with the police, and managing to get himself shot? I agree with you that most gun blogs’ members’ brains shut off as soon as the phrase “drugs in his system” gets uttered, but what if the victim is actually intoxicated and armed?

      I’m writing this as someone who’s read about both cases, seen the dashcam videos and am reluctantly thinking that both officers were reckless in their conduct. But, at least in the Castille case, the officer was really hung out to dry, by training that teaches that: anyone can kill you at any time, and anyone not immediately complying and showing their hands is reaching for a weapon, and trying to kill you. Not ever a cop, or a soldier, but IMHO, there’s a world of difference between the behavior and reluctance to use force that got Deputy Kyle Dinkeller killed, and the instant freak out that Officer Yanez showed.

      I think cops are really set up to fail by the training we give them, and we, J.Q. Public, end up paying the price for that failure.

      1. NOT a Naked Intruder

        I think cops are really set up to fail by the training we give them, and we, J.Q. Public, end up paying the price for that failure.

        This is the result of so much legislation/so many things being made illegal, and the requirement that it all be enforced. That, and the collective mentality of, “the Government should handle this!”.*

        When everything is legally “wrong”, eventually, people are going to counter force with their own. By that point, the “you must be in control of every situation” police mentality practically has to be paired with the “anyone/everyone is a potential threat” mindset.

        I’m saying this as someone who was right at home in those gun blogs 10 years ago, parroting the same lines. And, I regret every moment of that wasted time.

        *certainly, not that cut-and-dried, but definitely a big factor.

  2. ChipsnSalsa

    clip cozzy, nice

    1. B.P.

      Dude… magazine.

  3. DOOMco

    Okay, which one of you idea stealing fuckers set this website up? I thought we had a deal!

    Capitalists, man.

    1. The Last American Hero

      Ferengi rule of acquisition number 172 FTW!

    2. westernsloper

      I have a wad of sweaty 1 dollar bills equaling 3 bucks that says it was South Africans of the ex military flavor, which is pretty much all of them.

  4. Vhyrus

    Of Course I would fuck it up.

    Colion Noir for president. Seriously.

    1. Haybob

      He will be 35 next election.

    2. Drake

      He has some of the coolest gun reviews. I liked his review of the HK Mark 23.

    3. Zunalter

      National African American Gun Association (NAAGA)

      C’mon guys, who signed off on that name?

      1. Bobarian LMD

        Please?

        1. *Gaze, Narrowed, one each*

    4. Bobarian LMD

      Black Guns Matter!

      1. Only if they have a thing that goes up.

        1. Negroni Please

          If the thing goes up for more than 4 hours, be sure to call your Dr. Assault priapism is serious business.

          1. *prolonged applause*

          2. NOT a Naked Intruder

            If it’s too prolonged, you may very well end up with the clap.

    5. Akira

      If nothing else, a Colion Noir presidential campaign would cause “progressives” to rip off the mask and stomp on it with their racist remarks about why he shouldn’t be president and how he’s “not a real black man”.

      I remember when the NRA brought him on as a commentator; the lefties lost their shit. “Oh look! The NRA bought themselves an obedient little negro! He’s an Uncle Tom! He’s just parroting what his white massa Wayne LaPierre tells him to!!” Because in progland, it’s inconceivable that a black man would come up with opinions of his own without being spoon-fed by a politician.

    6. Suthenboy

      “Millions of dollars from liberal organizations and billionaires like George Soros later, they’re attacking the NRA and taking on extreme leftist issues that have nothing to do with the original purpose of #BlackLivesMatter. So Colion Noir asks them: What are you really fighting for?”

      C’mon Colin, do you really have to ask?

  5. Private Chipperbot

    White Boy Rick finally gets parole.

    “I’m just elated that justice finally prevailed,” said Groman. “Maybe after all these years he can get his life back. He was a bad kid; he needed to go to jail, but not for 30 years.”

    Groman said he believes “the biggest obstacle” to Wershe’s release was Operation Backbone. The 1991 sting caught nearly a dozen Detroit area politicians and Detroit cops through a fake drug shipment operation at Detroit City Airport.

    FBI informant gets life in prison after ratting out bad cops and politicians…

    1. John Titor

      That dude has been in prison for his entire adult life. For cocaine. I’m having trouble processing how stupid that is.

    2. He was an informant at 14?

      1. Private Chipperbot

        He testified about having flashy clothes, money and, as a 15-year-old, being treated to a trip to Las Vegas at the expense of the FBI.

        1. The article said he’s 47 and was an informant from 1984-1986, which means he would have started at either 13 or 14.

          Fuck the War on Drugs.

          1. Chipwooder

            Appalling.

          2. Wait…WTF? How was he not treated as a juvy? Fuck the Feds.

          3. Gray Ghost

            How was he not treated as a juvy?

            Because he was moving a really large amount of crack cocaine. Like pounds of it. Even at 17. Talk about your high achievers.

            Large web magazine (The Atavist) article on the guy and his case. Didn’t help that, according to them, his helping ferret out corrupt members of Detroit’s power structure actually meant he stayed in the pen a lot longer. How he’s not dead, I have no idea.

  6. Count Potato

    “You may think it is of no importance whether you gender your pets but why would you do such a thing to such an important member of your life? Pets cannot speak for themselves. They cannot tell you that they are being misgendered. It’s important not to make assumptions about what gender your animal is based off of its sex.”

    https://medusamagazine.com/dont-gender-your-pets

    I can’t tell what is parody anymore.

    1. Private Chipperbot

      My dogs are both Unsullied. We don’t talk about it…

    2. Zunalter

      …which species is the intellectually superior one again? I can’t tell anymore…

      1. mexican sharpshooter

        You make an interesting point. I have a male and female dog, guess which one mounts the other? They seemed to have it figured out.

        1. Zunalter

          Let me guess, your female dog only gets 79% of the amount of kibble your male dog gets.

          1. mexican sharpshooter

            Other way around, actually. Male dog is diabetic so we have to ration his food.

          2. That is very woke of you!

            /prog

    3. Juvenile Bluster

      Wait, there’s a pile of derp even deeper than Everyday Feminism?

      1. ChipsnSalsa

        There is always more derp.

      2. Count Potato

        Possibly, or we’re being trolled.

    4. Sour Kraut

      Medusa magazine is definitely brilliant deliberate parody. Even the magazine title is hilarious.

      1. Juvenile Bluster

        The part that makes me think “real” is that they turn off comments on a lot of their articles. A troll would invite as many comments as they could get.

  7. John Titor

    It’s like a safari, only better. “Safari” is the Swahili word for adventure and that’s just what we have in store for you.

    We sail up and down the coast of Somalia waiting to get hijacked by pirates. We encourage you to bring your ‘High powered weapons’ along on the cruise. If you don’t have weapons of your own, you can rent them on the boat.

    Finally I can return to my Deadliest Game lifestyle without being surrounded by rich weirdos or Predators.

  8. Raston Bot

    OT

    this is live.

    Mayweather is hard to listen to. Guy cannot smack talk. He has the mic but the crowd really hates him. McGregor owns the crowd.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkuYRHK1WDU

    1. That’s racist.

      1. Raston Bot

        McGregor asking Mayweather why he carries a book bag when he can’t even read..

        racist? or just pointing out the obvious that boxers are typically uneducated?

        1. Negroni Please

          neither. Mayweather is actually illiterate. Like for real.

        2. Trigger Hippie

          ‘…boxers are typically uneducated…’

          Hey! I resemble that remark!

    2. Juvenile Bluster

      He’d be better at smack talking if he could, you know, read the suggestions written to him, but..

    3. Zunalter

      Too bad McGregor is going to get his face punched in when they fight.

      1. Trigger Hippie

        I would bet $1k with any of you, right now, that not only will Mayweather beat McGregor, he’ll embarrass him.

        McGregor’s MMA striking stance is next to worthless in a boxing match and even constant training in proper boxing form starting last year until the fight isn’t nearly enough time to learn to effectively cut off the ring, wear the body down with shots, then finally slow the legs and drop the hands of a top tier counter-puncher. And Mayweather, the cunt that he is, is more than top tier, he’s arguably the greatest defensive boxer who’s ever lived.

        This fight is going to be so fucking stupid.

        1. So, McGregor has some training as a boxer from before his MMA career, and he’s going to be used to taking hard shots to the head and body, but Mayweather has made a career out of letting people punch him until they get tired and then outscoring them. I heard an interview recently on my favorite sports talk show with a writer who put it thus: “Mayweather is a professional boxer, and what I mean by that is he has no ego about this stuff. He’s done this before. He’ll let McGregor trashtalk him and try to bait him, and then he’ll fight a full ten rounds with him, and as long as he wins the rounds on points he’ll be perfectly happy to walk away with all that money.”

          MMA is a totally different sport. The career arc is different, and it doesn’t seem to allow Mayweathers to spring up. Defensive MMA fighters don’t really exist in the top tiers. Rope-a-dope fighters, yes, but not defensive fighters looking to outscore.

          1. The Last American Hero

            If this goes more than 3 rounds, I’ll suspect foul play.

          2. Trigger Hippie

            I forgot about McGregor’s boxing past. Still, both our points still stand.

            You’re correct that Mayweather fights without ego and allows overly aggressive fighters to wear themselves out with blows that rarely land cleanly, due to his excellent head movement and footwork, but he’s also excellent at making you miss entirely. Next to taking heavy shots, nothing wears you out faster in the ring than swinging and missing on your power punches. And finally, Mayweather doesn’t exactly have a glass jaw. Unless I’m completely blanking here(just smoked a bowl, happy Friday), he’s never even been knocked down. You don’t go through about fifty pro fights, around twenty or so in title bouts, without being put on your ass unless you’re one tough SOB.

          3. F. Stupidity Jr.

            Should anyone pro-Mayweather be concerned that he turned 40 in February and his opponent is 29?

          4. Trigger Hippie

            I’d be more concerned about him not taking the fight seriously.

            I’d say the closest comparable fighter to him as far as age and style I can think of recently is Benard Hopkins, and he stayed at the top of the sport well into his forties. But he also never really allowed himself to get out of shape between fights.

          5. Chipwooder

            I always thought he was closest to Pernell Whitaker.

          6. No. He fights, what, twice a year? Max?

          7. Trigger Hippie

            Huh, guess I did blank. He’s been knocked down a handful of times. Ooopsie.

          8. Trigger Hippie

            ….technically once, but….

          9. I think you’re right. I’m not sure the cardio is going to be so much an issue for McGregor, because MMA is very cardio-intensive, but I think the simple inability to put Mayweather on his ass or beat him on points will keep him from winning. Then again, McGregor’s schtick is that he’s a striker, not a grappler, and basically just knows enough ground work to get out of trouble and back to striking range. He’s won a fair number of fights by knocking people right the eff out.

            Ultimately, I think this is going to be a better fight than it might at first appear.

        2. Zunalter

          Best tweak to this fight that I have heard: If the fight makes it to round 11, the rules become MMA rules.

        3. ArchieBunker

          The odds arent to farout therefor it tobe a guaranteed beatdown. Plus Connor has had nearly a year to train to be a boxer. He will likely still lose but he has a shot.

          1. ArchieBunker

            Freakin space bar

        4. Gray Ghost

          If Mayweather loses this, suspect a dive. McGregor would get monkey-stomped by a journeyman boxer in a boxing bout. Mayweather’s only the most technically proficient boxer of our generation. A bit of a little bitch for ducking Pacquiao as long as he did, but an amazing talent.

          That said, the trash talking is hilarious. And isn’t entertainment the entire point of sports? “Pay your taxes! Pay your taxes!” LOL.

    4. RBS

      The OUTRAGE surrounding the buildup to this fight is hilarious.

  9. Count Potato

    “Unfortunately, since the ancient Greeks, the male orgasm has been central to our understanding of sex. Pornography and prostitution both flourish in property owning societies (women seen as property along with children and slaves). The male orgasm at any cost has always been an act of coercion, as is pornography and prostitution. Moreover, the advocates of sex robots use prostitution as a reference point for thinking about their possible application. What pornography and prostitution tell us as a society is that it is permissible to view women and children as things/objects to gratify the personal needs of those with more money/power/resources (adult males).”

    https://campaignagainstsexrobots.org/2016/04/17/frequently-asked-questions/

    1. John Titor

      It’s less ‘the ancient Greeks’ and more ‘since primitive man discovered the correlation between semen and pregnancy’, since the whole male orgasm part is kind of relevant for reproduction.

      Unless you’re one of those Taoist sex weirdos.

      1. I always thought the point of orgasm was so that people would enjoy sex and want to have more of it, thereby making reproduction and passing of genes more likely.

        1. Count Potato

          It’s marketing genius.

      2. Bobarian LMD

        It’s less ‘the ancient Greeks’ and more ‘since primitive man discovered the correlation between semen and pregnancyfun’, since the whole male orgasm part is kind of relevant for reproductiona heckuva way to start the day.

        /FTFY

    2. Zunalter

      Not going to ask how you stumbled upon that link…

      1. Count Potato

        From this article:

        http://www.philly.com/philly/columnists/stu_bykofsky/sex-robots-are-real-and-theyre-all-made-in-the-u-s-20170713.html

        Although I’m incredulous that the Japanese don’t make sex robots.

        1. Count Potato

          Is This the Dawn of the Sexbots? (NSFW)

          http://www.vanityfair.com/culture/2015/04/sexbots-realdoll-sex-toys

          WARNING: NOT SAFE FOR WORK

          1. I just spent two straight days in a car with my wife. By the morning of day two, I realized that I would leave her for a sexbot after daydreaming about replacing her on the trip with a perpetually 26-year-old buxom brunette who wouldn’t keep asking me to hand her the Chapstick out of the glovebox.

          2. Q Continuum

            You heard it here first: Bill is getting a divorce!

          3. My next wife may very well be a late-model E-class with…er…certain modifications, shall we say.

          4. Tundra

            I want to be the Rosa Parks of sex dolls!

            We’ve had some great quotes over the year, but this one is spectacular!

          5. Agent Cooper

            If it came packed like that one in the crate (with the face not attached) I don’t think I would ever get used to it.

    3. Drake

      I just went through all the hoops to buy a pistol in NJ. Since I already have an NJ FID card, I didn’t have to apply for that again (technically). I had to fill out a mental health thing, agree online to a background check with a $20 credit card fee, and then supply the local state police shop with an application and copies of all kinds of id.

      The State Trooper who pretty cool apologetically told me that it would be at least 6 to 8 weeks before I got my handgun purchase permit (which I have 60 days to use).

      Leaning towards a CZ P-07 with Beretta Storm Compact in 2nd. (I like DA with a safety because I’m old and that’s what I learned) In NJ you can’t go 15-rounds so higher-capacity guns actually end up with 10-round mags.

      1. ChipsnSalsa

        Just think if you had to do that to vote.

      2. Drake

        That wasn’t meant as a reply to anything – not sure how I ended up in that thread.

      3. Number.6

        Just make sure you handle one a bit to ensure the ergonomics work for you. It does for most people with opposable thumbs, but not all.

      4. Holger-da-Dane

        Why buy anything but a full size? It’s not like you can carry it over there anyway..

        1. Drake

          1. 15 rounds is the max

          2. I don’t plan to be here much longer

    4. RBS

      Not once in the history of the world has a woman ever objectified a man.

    5. The Other Kevin

      So we shouldn’t view things/objects meant to gratify the personal needs of adult males as thing/objects meant to gratify the personal needs of adult males. Got it.

    6. Q Continuum

      “Property owning societies”

      It always comes back to Communism. Every. Fuckin’. Time.

      1. Suthenboy

        ^^^^^^^Someone gets it^^^^^^^

    7. Akira

      The male orgasm at any cost has always been an act of coercion as is pornography

      Whew, I’m glad I’m a male and therefore will never have to have sex on camera with the “coercion” of a $3,000 check for a few hours of work.

      1. CZmacure

        Meanwhile, normal work is totally not slavery, for some reason. SEXXXXXX!!!!

    8. Suthenboy

      “Pornography and prostitution both flourish in property owning societies (women seen as property along with children and slaves).”

      And there it is. Private property is evil.

      Good thing that Cuban and Venezuelan woman have been saved from the evils of prostitution.

  10. Spartan Dad

    I agree Vhyrus, the drug warrior wall is maddening. It’s like listening to prog celebrity whine about capitalism and global warming while riding cross-Atlantic in their private jet. I think progress is getting slowly advancing here though and the hard-core holdouts will get swept up once enough states have gone over, at least for legalization which may advance other things once the sky doesn’t fall.

    Virginia is interesting because we have a still have a fiercely protective guns rights electorate despite trending left as a state. I’m hopeful that VA will be able to use that split to push both gun rights and decriminalization fronts without sacrificing one or the other for party politics.

    1. If VA trends that way–and loses that stupid goddamn ABC–I’m heading down your way.

    2. mexican sharpshooter

      at least for legalization which may advance other things once the sky doesn’t fall.

      I think this will be the case as well. With the caveat that the legalization has consistently been hinged on the idea that tax revenues can be collected from the sales, which will probably keep the black markets in place.

    3. westernsloper

      I occasionally like to address those people, not on gun blogs as that is not my thing so much, but other conservative sites and people I talk to. I like to point out that the run of the mill conservative is nothing but the other side of the big government coin from a progressive. They are just bickering about what liberties they want their big government to repress. They both want a giant hand of government killing liberty. Some actually think about it when pressed.

      1. Holger-da-Dane

        I’ve had good luck arguing the constitutional angle.

        You first need them to understand the BoR doesn’t actually grant rights, and that infringement on RKBA would be as unconstitutional without the 2A in the absence of an amendment explicitly granting the power to infringe.

        It’s relatively easy to demonstrate by pointing to the necessity of amendments outlawing alcohol and slavery. They’re motivated to see this truth because they care about that particular right.

        Then ask them to point to the part of the Constitution stating the things they don’t like can be infringed upon.

        At this point people sometimes argue that being gay or similarly “immoral” things harm people other than the person with the right to that thing. You can then point out how they sound exactly like a gun grabber, and they shouldn’t be surprised their rights are under attack when they themselves allow for unprincipled arguments.

  11. Juvenile Bluster

    The BBC is going to announce who the next Doctor Who will be on Sunday after the Mens’ Wimbledon Final. Half the comments I’ve seen have been “IF IT’S ANOTHER WHITE MALE I’LL NEVER WATCH THE SHOW AGAIN!”. The other half have been “IF IT’S ANYTHING BUT ANOTHER WHITE MALE I’LL NEVER WATCH THE SHOW AGAIN1”. I’ve become even more misandrist.

    1. John Titor

      David Mitchell.

      There BBC, I saved you a lot of time and resources. Now work on getting better writers.

    2. Negroni Please

      Put me in the “NO MATTER WHAT I’LL NEVER WATCH THE SHOW” camp

      1. Brett L

        I was just thinking, “I would have to have made it all the way through an episode to have an opinion”

    3. Pan Zagloba

      It should be Milo Y.

    4. TK

      I still don’t understand the appeal of the show. People show me pics of the companion girl from the first season as evidence but I think she’s only mildly attractive.

      1. You mean the first series back in the 1960s?

        1. TK

          According to my age group, nothing existed since before 1985. So you’re fake news.

          1. RBS

            That picture is…unsettling.

          2. Agent Cooper

            Amy Pond (Karen Gillan) from the Matt Smith era wasn’t too shabby.

      2. Negroni Please

        You have to grade on the British curve. She’s like an American 6, but that makes her a British 11.

        1. Bobarian LMD

          Hot if you can’t see her teeth?

        2. Count Potato

          It’s also that Billie Piper acts sexy.

        3. Vhyrus

          The black girl was holy shit fuckable though, and the only companion with enough sense to go ‘you know what? You’re a dangerous asshole. BYE!’

          1. OMG, yes. She was easily the hottest companion of the revived series.

          2. Negroni Please

            Look shitlord, quit objectifying black bodies. She has a goddamn name.

            I just don’t know it because I hate Dr. Who. Like a lot.

          3. Vhyrus

            It’s Martha. Although black girl is a much more apt description of her.

          4. John Titor

            Actually she’s a mulatto. African-Iranian.

          5. Heroic Mulatto

            But is she heroic?

          6. Seguin

            WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME?

          7. Zunalter

            Let’s not forget Karen Gillan

          8. Not her best look there, but a little bit of a smokeshow in most settings.

          9. Zunalter

            I was at work and didnt want to spend a lot of time fishing for the hottest pic. I mean even like this … still would

      3. John Titor

        If you’re watching it for Billie Piper you can just see her in various states of undress in Secret Diary of a Call Girl.

        Sadly Jenna Coleman and Karen Gillian haven’t gotten naked in anything, because reality sucks.

        1. TK

          Those other two are attractive – but still not enough to get me into such a boring show.

          1. John Titor

            I stopped watching it a couple years ago because it’s pretty terrible now but it’s mostly just goofy fun. It’s usually when it tries to be serious that it fails horribly.

        2. Negroni Please

          Jesus Christ. Billie Piper looks like the unfortunate offspring of the Joker and a Quarter-horse. I don’t want that mouth anywhere near me.

          1. John Titor

            She looked better ten years ago. ‘Better’ does not equate to ‘good’ however.

          2. A few years ago she had like a busty, whiskey-tango Brit chick thing going on. She’s aged out of it, though. To her credit she doesn’t appear to have gotten any plastic surgery, so I’ve got to respect that.

      4. The Last American Hero

        I’m more a Jenna Coleman guy myself.

    5. Q Continuum

      Misandrist or misanthropic?

      1. Juvenile Bluster

        Whichever one means I hate people in general.

        I thought that was a requirement to be here.

  12. Sour Kraut

    I found a video of Vhyrus’ dog.

    1. bacon-magic

      Dat’s funny.

      1. Tundra

        Crusoe’s gonna murder his owner some day.

    2. Seguin

      Dog’s got a PPsh. He’s hunting the most dangerous game.

    1. John Titor

      Jet Jaguar better end up canon in the new Godzilla movies.

  13. Drake

    I’m kind of surprised at the French picking the HK416. Why not the G36? Isn’t the 416 a G36 with M4 furniture? Nice for Americans who have been using M16s for 60 years, but no benefit for French soldiers. And if the disassembly is anything like the civilian version – it’s a nightmare.

    I would have also guessed they would have stayed with a bullpup like the FN or Steyr.

    1. Tundra

      The 416 survives drops better.

      1. Bobarian LMD

        Somebody already did that joke truth.

        I thought one of the big advantages of the 416 was that it was a piston gun (like the AK), but according to the link, apparently not.

        1. Drake

          Definitely a piston gun. But so is every other military rifle in the world not an M16/4.

          1. mexican sharpshooter

            Technically that’s a piston gun too–the piston just happens to be the bolt/BCG.

          2. Drake

            With a tube that sprays carbon all over your bolt.

          3. Suthenboy

            Heat and carbon.

          4. Holger-da-Dane

            Heat and carbon – and pure freedom, delivered in the claws of a bald eagle!

        2. EvilSheldon

          You’re right and wrong. The HK416 is indeed a piston gun, but a piston gun ain’t any kind of advantage.

          1. Drake

            Having carried a direct impingement gun in the desert, I’ll have to disagree.

          2. Bobarian LMD

            ^this

          3. EvilSheldon

            Had a lot of malfunctions that a piston system would have avoided, huh?

            Okay. I mean, the only deserts I shoot in are in Utah and Nevada. But I do have a DI AR-15 with just over 16,000 rounds through it over the past five years, including a 2500+ round stretch with no maintenance at all. It’s had six malfunctions, all ammo related. Maybe an HK416 could do as well, but I doubt it could do better.

      1. Drake

        I’ve heard that – then seen people try to repeat the conditions of the failure and the gun performs perfectly. Since much of the 416 is just a G36 with a different exterior, why would it be any more reliable?

        1. EvilSheldon

          The HK416 and the G36 are both shoulder-fired weapons chambered in 5.56×45 NATO. Other than that, they’re exactly nothing alike.

    2. Gray Ghost

      The G36 is supposed to be not that great on extended round counts. Sagging frames, moving sights, etc… The 416 is, supposedly, better suppressed, and shortened than the run of the mill M4.
      Now, if you’re not running full auto with a can and 10 inches or shorter, I’ve no idea if that’s helpful.

      No idea why they’re ditching the bullpup. Should be great, given the move to armor and “can I get in and out of a vehicle with it?” questions.

      Lots of palaver about 416 vs M4 at several of the AR fan sites. I dunno why not FN M4 with Geissele and Trijicon kit all the things.

      1. EvilSheldon

        In my admittedly limited experience with sub-10″ ARs, that’s one area in which a piston gun might have a performance advantage. Especially if you’re swapping a silencer off and on. That said, I’ve seen plenty of short gas guns that run just fine.

        The big problem with bullpups is that, in exchange for the shorter overall package, you get stuck with a longer, non-adjustable length of pull. This makes the rifle easier to carry, but much harder to shoot well. Things really start to suck if you’re shooting indoors or wearing armor.

  14. BakedPenguin

    “Okay, which one of you idea stealing fuckers set this website up? I thought we had a deal!”

    It not that uncommon a joke. My friend has a “Somali cruise lines activity director” t-shirt.

  15. Tonio

    “Philando Castile” not “PhilandRo.”

    1. Vhyrus

      I doubt he cares much anymore.

    2. Negroni Please

      I’ve been referring to the Cops Get To Murder Anyone They Want rule as the Castile Doctrine.

      Only libertarians seem to get it for some reason

    3. Tonio

      Forgive me for trying to help.

    4. Pan Zagloba

      All Hispanics philander!

      /Malory Archer

  16. Colion Noir is a bad motherfucker. My now ex-BIL turned me onto him a few years ago. IMO, he’s what conservatism should become if it’s going to be a relevant factor in American politics again. He’s a young (ish) black man who’s an actual conservative without being anything resembling establishment. And for white people of any political who might have a hard time thinking about black men (or gun owners, or conservatives) outside of stereotypes, he’s an important bridge.

    re: Philando Castille and drug use: Couldn’t agree more. It sucks, but there’s a significant portion of the gun-owning community who support their own 2A rights while having no problem with those rights being taken away from people they don’t like or to whom they can’t relate. There’s also a fair number who are part of the “law and order” crowd who just happen to have a blind spot when it comes to guns, since they actually own them and care about that right. These are the same types of people who think that someone arrested for smoking a joint should lose their kids but would raise all hell if someone called CPS on parents who got drunk every night.

    1. Gilmore

      He’s a young (ish) black man who’s an actual conservative without being anything resembling establishment. And

      he’s also a lawyer. he upsets the whole notion that all people who are ‘into guns’ are by default yokel rural morons who harbor fantasies of overthrowing the govt

      1. Yeah, that’s a good point. He fucks up a lot of stereotypes, but does it in ways that offer something for lots of different people to identify with, which hopefully results in those people thinking, “Wait a minute, maybe there are more people like him than not…”

    2. mexican sharpshooter

      Is he a conservative? Other than 2A issues, I couldn’t tell you what his views are.

      1. DOOMco

        That last video had him talking about schools being underfunded…

      2. Gilmore

        that’s a good point. i think it is probably a mistake to assume every person who is “pro 2nd amdmt’ is also ‘conservative’

        1. Zunalter

          I hear a lot of “Liberals, Democrats” as villians in his talks, so at least conventionally Republican, not sure how conservative though.

      3. Based on what I’ve heard from him he’s almost a movement conservative, but with an outlook on racism and race relations that acknowledges that there are issues but isn’t anti-cop or anti-state. I don’t know that he’s a libertarian per se, but he’s probably a fellow-traveller.

    1. Bobarian LMD

      Apparently, when you fuck with the Clintons, ‘Natural Causes’ becomes a very wide definition?

      1. Suthenboy

        Dude, he fucked with the Clintons. Naturally he died.

  17. Drake

    I was actually watching this Jerry Miculek video right before the afternoon links. If I could ever shoot like this…

    1. Vhyrus

      I’m pretty sure miculek is a prototype terminator.

      1. mexican sharpshooter

        I think you’re on to something. https://youtu.be/gwe1ToZTSEE

      2. Drake

        This time they were smarter and disguised it as a harmless grandpa.

    2. KibbledKristen

      Jeeezus!!

      1. Number.6

        Few of Jerry’s immediate family are slouches with handguns.

    3. westernsloper

      wow

      1. Drake

        I try to tap my finger at the speed he’s shooting accurately. I don’t think I’m keeping up.

    4. Stillhunter

      The amazing thing is he can do that with multiple weapons. Others should check out his work with shotguns and revolvers. Crazy.

  18. R C Dean

    This is probably the best overview I have seen to date on l’affair Trump Jr.:

    Which theory is harder to believe?

    That Trump, who had never run for office before and who was panned as a clown by the Democrats and the media right up until Election Night last November, orchestrated a grand coup d’état with the assistance of the Russians to “hack” an American election, and that it was so well hidden that the Don Junior meeting is the only real evidence unearthed so far of the whole thing…

    …Or that the Obama administration and the Democratic Party used their immense power to attempt to ensnare the Trumps in a damaging narrative that would either discredit him and the Republican Party as traitors in the event of a Clinton victory or cripple his administration in “scandal” should he pull an upset?

    Who had the means, motive, and experience to pull off the deeds in question? Who had the power to let Veselnitskaya into the country, and what purpose would be served for such permission?

    We don’t know the half of this story. But frankly, this business with The Russians is all of a sudden a lot more interesting than it’s been the whole time the media has been flogging it.

    1. grrizzly

      I’ve been thinking that the Obama administration didn’t really need to entrap someone from the Trump campaign in order to spy on them. But I forgot that they were snubbed by the FISA court first, so they had to offer some “evidence.”

      If timelines are interesting to you, there is this — reportedly, the Obama administration sought permission to electronically monitor Trump Tower in early June, and the FISA court would not grant it. But in October, that warrant was given.

      1. Gilmore

        they needed to engineer a connection to rationalize the surveillance

    2. Gilmore

      Yes, i just read that (via instapundit) and it sums up my thoughts as well.

    3. westernsloper

      Throw in the fact, it was not the meeting coming to light that made Kushner update his disclosure agreement, but it was his updating his disclosure, that then got leaked that made this a story. I bit that hook at the start of this story because they were not honest about the time line. (I read your comments a few days ago RC and I agree. I couldn’t even tell you every time I have left the country, much less describe all meetings with foreign nationals. I don’t know how they expect people to accurately disclose that.) The whole thing reeks of the DNC hit machine and the media is playing it as would be expected.

      The Magniinsky Act, or whatever the hell it is called, which is supposedly what the Russian lawyer brought up in the meeting, was fought tooth and nail by Sec Clinton and the Obama administration for over a year before it was finally passed and Obama had to sign it. They know those people in Russia who opposed it, they worked with those people, they are Clinton Foundation donors. It reeks.

  19. KibbledKristen

    OMG! THe devil weed THC!! *vapors*

    This made for a fun commute today.

    1. Gilmore

      the appearance of Gozar the Gozarian?

    2. John Titor

      You work at Mordor?

    3. Zunalter

      I hope those weren’t merri-juwanna vapors you were experiencing…

    4. BakedPenguin

      What am I missing?

      1. KibbledKristen

        The thread tying these two cases together is that both of the victims were either high or at least regular drug users (Crutcher tested positive for PCP while Castile tested positive for THC).

        1. BakedPenguin

          No, I meant re: the photo.

          1. Heroic Mulatto

            She vapes.

            We get it!

      2. Trigger Hippie

        The possibility of a funnel cloud dropping.

        1. BakedPenguin

          Ahh, I see. In cent. FL, the sky looks like that most days. Still, we get very few twisters compared w/ the mid-west.

          1. Trigger Hippie

            ‘In cent. FL, the sky looks like that most days.’

            *adds another reason not to visit Florida to list*

          2. BakedPenguin

            I should have added “in summer” – which isn’t the time of year you want to visit Florida.

          3. Tulip

            Well, I’m on my way to Orlando. Any restaurant recommendations?

          4. BakedPenguin

            What part of Orlando, and what kind of food?

          5. Tulip

            Kissimmee, near mouse world. I’m adventurous.

      3. KibbledKristen

        Wall cloud.

        1. BakedPenguin

          As I mentioned above, we’re not at too much risk here of tornadoes, but it can rain here like anything. I was driving to a friends when there was a downpour – I could only see about 10′ in front of me. Weather.com said it was between 5″-10″ an hour.

    5. DOOMco

      I can’t see a cloud where I am, not even in the distance.

      1. Trigger Hippie

        I have a lot of cottonwood trees in my neighborhood so it kinda looks like it’s snowing in July right now.

      2. Yusef drives a Kia

        So, nothing to yell at then?

        1. DOOMco

          There are probably some kids outside…

    6. KibbledKristen

      I was supposed to go visit my elderly friend today (he just got out of the hospital), but the storms downed so many trees, his whole town was pretty much blocked off from the rest of the area. I was listening to the traffic report, and it was “tree down on westbound Georgetown Pike” and “tree down on westbound Route 7”. Like, those are the only two ways to get into Great Falls!

    7. KibbledKristen

      THis was 5 mins after the first pic

    8. R C Dean

      Its monsoon season here in AZ. Here’s a pic of lightning from our first real monsoon this year. Taken by a photog friend of a friend.

      1. R C Dean

        And here’s a pic of a sunset from a couple of years ago during the monsoon. You really do see this kind of thing here this time of year.

        1. R C Dean

          Try again.

      2. KibbledKristen

        Nice! I whipped out the Lightning Camera app when the wall cloud came over, but the window reflection didn’t allow me to get any shots.

  20. AceDroman

    OT: my homie in Boulder is suggesting he mail some vapor pens and oil to me in FL. How bad of an idea is this?

    1. DOOMco

      um, he wouldn’t be the first to do it, from what I’ve heard.

    2. KibbledKristen

      I wouldn’t, but he might could package it with some non-THC vape juice. Don’t use the USPS, and maybe send it to a PO Box or some such.

      1. DOOMco

        huh, I had heard the usps was the safe one.
        I don’t know, I’m not willing to try it.

        1. KibbledKristen

          Me neither. I just go to CO once a year and spend the whole time zooted.

      2. AceDroman

        USPS sounds like the worst option to me but I have no idea. I had one buddy years ago receive some actual bud in the mail except he never received it and got a visit from the Sheriff instead.

    3. Heroic Mulatto

      How dedicated are you to ripping the fattest vapes and blowing the fattest clouds ?

      1. AceDroman

        It is of the utmost importance to me. Duh.

    4. mexican sharpshooter

      I mailed a guy I know in CO 30 round AR magazines so he could sell them in his MILSURP business. Don’t give the mailman a reason to open it up, they’ll leave it alone.

      1. Gustave Lytton

        I know FedEx allows law enforcement to bring in their drug dogs to the local distribution center.

    5. BakedPenguin

      Why the pens? You can buy pens here.

      If you do go through with it, make sure to tell him to wrap the oil up good.

      1. AceDroman

        I don’t know why, that’s just what he’s suggesting. He got tired of me whining about never having a reliable source since we were both kids, and he’s pretty gung ho about mailing the stuff. If I could, I would have him send me like a pound of flower but I don’t think that’s a safe option.

        1. BakedPenguin

          If the oil comes in the same vials the nicotine e-juice comes in, it’s probably pretty safe – the odor shouldn’t be discernible.

          Again, if you’re going to do it, suggest that you’ll spring for next day delivery. The less time it stays in the chain, the less of a chance it might be noticed.

          1. AceDroman

            Good idea thanks BP

    6. F. Stupidity Jr.

      In that vein, I would like to get my hands on some salvia, but it’s illegal in my state. What’s the best way to go about that?

      1. AceDroman

        Whats up with that stuff? I haven’t tried it or even heard about it since high school

        1. Akira

          I smoked some one time.. I went into a laughing attack for about a minute for no discernible reason, then felt completely normal.

      2. Yusef drives a Kia

        I grow it in my front yard, really

      3. westernsloper

        I salvia every time I see a really nicely cooked steak, also when I eat sour gummy worms.

    7. KSuellington

      Who was the last person to live at your address? Do you still occasionally get something in the mail addressed to them?

      1. AceDroman

        A single lady that I’ve never met and yes occasionally receive mail addressed to her.

        1. KSuellington

          Sometimes mail comes to my house for the guy who used to live there.

          1. AceDroman

            I see where you’re going with this and I like it, thank you.

          2. KSuellington
          3. KSuellington

            Damn! This was what I meant to link.

            https://youtu.be/aUZww69nMsg

          4. AceDroman

            Lol Stitches is fairly popular around here and I think he’s coming to St Pete soon

          5. EvilSheldon

            Hey, do you think that Stitches and Florida Man would get along?

    8. ArchieBunker

      If u do go usps

    9. CZmacure

      First, if he does, have him address it to, at the very least, someone else at your address.

      Second, my understanding is that USPS is safer than private carriers.

      Third, someone I know from California has mailed an ounce or so of bud, which is infinitely more likely to be detected, with no problems.

      Fourth, adding the non-thc stuff in the package is a good idea, esp. if the thc stuff is not obviously weed branded.

      From what I can tell, the transition from illegal-everywhere to legal-some-places and the transition from “flowers” aka “weed” which is bulky and smelly and obvious to extracts which are.. not… has dramatically changed the overall picture. I know a *lot* of traveling stoners, and I have heard of absolutely no one being hassled at the airport over weed vapes carts.

      I struggle to imagine the mail is more hassle than the airport?

      1. LT_Fish

        USPS is very variable depending on location. Here in C’ville there have been a lot of complaints from local businesses about lack of delivery or delay issues. I’ve had a ton of issues just in the few months I’ve been here – more than I had in 2 years in rural Colonial Beach. (it is a gov’t agency after all).

        I’d probably go with UPS overnight – get a box at the UPS store, etc.

  21. mexican sharpshooter

    Has anyone heard from STEVE SMITH lately ?

    Did somebody kill STEVE SMITH!?!?!?

    Somebody tell me he’s still with us!

    1. AceDroman

      If that were STEVE SMITH the plastic over his body would look like a tent. Or so I’ve heard.

      1. Vhyrus

        It would look like a tent and the top of it would have a screaming face embossed into the plastic.

    1. KibbledKristen

      IFL that picture

  22. KibbledKristen

    Kiwi body language lady is back with some handshake hilarity.

  23. Gilmore

    This seems like one of those things when a friend should pull him aside, and say, “Deray… it aint all about you. Get over yourself..”

    1. ArchieBunker

      So progs can insinuate black people look like apes? Thats messed up.

      1. I thought it was the Irish who looked simian.

        Would the Alice in Wonderland cartoonist, and the cartoonist who drew Santa Claus, lie to us?

    2. westernsloper

      At least he has taste enough to wear a $150 Patagonia vest. That shows serious outdoor cred.

      1. quincy

        Outdoors. Like where apes live. Racist!

    3. commodious spittoon

      “friend”

      The guy doesn’t strike me as someone who has close friends.

  24. Sean

    Springfield Armory’s “politics” aside, anyone try out the XDe? My girlfriend is interested in adding one to her collection and is looking for some feedback from owners.

    1. Haybob

      It’s an interesting gun. DA/SA with an external hammer and safety. It’s a little different to draw to learn for someone who isn’t used to it.

    2. Haybob

      Forgot to mention I don’t own one just been reading about it.

    3. I’m Here To Help

      I’m itching to try one out. I have an XDs in .45 that I absolutely love. If the XDe is a similar size, it would be my perfect carry pistol. Just can’t find one to try out.

  25. Suthenboy

    There is cognitive dissonance built into the anti-drug position. If you press the drug warriors on why drugs are bad it will come down to the drug user not being their normal self, unable to make sound decisions or control their behavior, i.e. the user loses their agency and gets out of control. Even sober the drug user is forced by their addiction to engage in behavior that a normal person would not. It isnt hard to get them to admit this. What is impossible is getting them to reconcile this with their opinion that drug users should be severely punished when they have no responsibility for their actions.

    Punishing people whom you admit have problems instead of treating them is naked sadism. I think a good argument could be made that the real character flaw is in the drug warrior more so than the user.

  26. quincy

    Today I was first asked what gender I identify as.

    1. DOOMco

      Well?

    2. CZmacure

      Don’t leave us in suspense… which of the 3637 genders did you say?

      1. quincy

        I answered the nurse filling out the the forms, “I’m a he”. I left it to the doctor to figure out if my parts were factory original or aftermarket.

    3. westernsloper

      The only acceptable reply to that question is a sultry, “Which one do you want me to be?”…..*wink*

      1. quincy

        Nurses old enough to be mom? No thanks.

        1. westernsloper

          Pffft….that never stopped me with your mom. All good.

      2. Sean

        “Bend over and I’ll show you” would also be a reasonable reply.

    4. Suthenboy

      Did you whip it out?

  27. DEG

    About conservatives, gun blogs, and drugs: I got turned off of certain gun forums for exactly what you’re talking about. I also get pissed when I browse through the GOA newsletter and see them spewing “Drugs bad… mmkay?” bit. I don’t see it often in the GOA newsletter, but I have seen it. I don’t read any political stuff in “American Rifleman” anymore. I stick to technical and historical articles.

    Gun prohibition (which we thankfully don’t have) and drug prohibition are in my mind basically the same thing. “You can’t be trusted with this thing so we’ll ban it.”

    A major change in my political thinking was when someone on a mailing list I belonged to in the 90s wrote a long essay explaining why The Drug War and gun control really are the same thing. At the time, I was very pro-gun but was on board with the Drug War. I realized after reading that essay that I was wrong, and changed.