Another week, another gun article. I’m actually impressed I have been able to keep this going for this long. I figured my ADHD and laziness would have teamed up to stop me from writing these weeks ago, yet here I am. Lucky you. This week’s topic was inspired by a brief conversation I had on our discord server. If you haven’t heard, we have a little chat room setup where you can talk to other weirdos glibs live. Here is the link if you’re interested. Anyway, a few days ago someone said to me that they would be into shooting except it is too expensive. This took me aback, because while it’s true that this sport is not exactly free, there has never been a better time to get into shooting on a budget than right now. You see, just like most of us, gun dealers and manufacturers were also expecting a Hillary coronation. As a result, dealers were buying up as much free stock as possible and manufacturers went into overdrive cranking out inventory in anticipation of the post election panic buying. When Sir Donald the Orange had his little bloodless coup it threw everyone on the gun side for a loop. Instead of surging demand and sky high prices, gun sales leveled off. This means there is a massive overstock and companies are slashing prices and offering big rebates just to move product. I have been serious into shooting for almost a decade and I can tell you I have NEVER seen gun prices this insanely low before. It really is a buyers market, IF you know where to look.
See, something I have learned about gun dealers is that in many ways they are somewhat worse than used car salesmen. When you go buy a specific brand of anything… shoes, cars, clothing, food, etc., the price is, for the most part, set. You might find one store that has it for 10, maybe 20% less, and on a blue moon you can find some really killer deals, but in general the price is stable. When it comes to guns, however, there is no such stability. I have literally found the exact same gun, in the same color, at two different stands in the same gun show with a $200, $300, even $400 price difference. Whats worse is that, unlike with most other products, the big brand name stores usually rip you off worse than the smaller mom and pop outfits. The reason I believe this happens is because much of the gun buying public is ignorant of the actual market value of the guns they purchase, which allow dealers to wallow in the profit margins. The other driving force behind this is the mistaken belief many people have that you cannot buy guns online. You absolutely can buy a gun online, you just can’t have it shipped directly to you. You must first find a registered dealer willing to accept online transfers. Most of them charge a fee for this. The fees range wildly from shop to shop and region to region. My current FFL of choice charges $20, but I have seen them as low at $10 and as high as $100+. Once you find a willing shop, you must purchase the gun online and have your shop send the seller a copy of their FFL. Once that happens they will ship the gun to your dealer, who can then run the required background check before handing over to you. It’s usually a rather painless process and it saves a ton of money.
So, how low are prices right now? What if I told you that you could have a reliable, modern handgun for $250? How about a working AR 15 for $400? Even a decent pump shotgun can be had for as little as $200. It’s all about where you look. There are 2 sites that I use to find good prices on guns. The first one is gun.deals, formerly slickguns.com. This is where I go if I just want to browse and see what guns are out there and for what prices. This is a site that accepts user submissions for good deals on guns and then lets people vote and comment on the deal. I would say the majority of my gun purchases originate from gun.deals. It doesn’t just list guns, either. Ammo, mags, accessories… pretty much everything gun related is on this site. You can sort by caliber or seach by keyword as well. Now, if you know what gun you want and you simply want to find the best price on it, then I recommend gunwatcher. Gunwatcher lets you type in the name of the gun and it will search hundreds of websites to find the best price. Like trivago, but with fewer Brad Pitt look alike pitchmen.
So, what are my personal recommendations for good cheap guns? I thought you’d never ask! This is by far not a comprehensive list, but it is a good place to start if you’re on a budget and want some firepower. For handguns, my recommendation hands down has to be the EAA SAR K2P 9mm. This is a Turkish made polymer CZ clone. It holds 17 rounds and takes standard CZ 75 magazines which are almost as ubiquitous as Glock mags. Right now you can get one for about $270 shipped, which means you should be able to get it out the door for under $300 at your local gun store. My recommendation for a good cheap rifle is a bit more complicated. AR 15s are at rock bottom prices now, but the problem is that a lot of no name companies are just slapping a bunch of parts kits together and throwing them out the door. I highly recommend checking gun.deals for the latest sales, but just skimming it right now I can see a few good ones pop up. If you absolutely have to have the cheapest thing you can get, here’s an ATI polymer lower with a keymod rail for $350. This has a polymer upper and lower which I am not a big fan of, but they get the job done and you really can’t complain about the price. The free float handguard is a nice touch too. If you want something all metal and brand name there is this Smith & Wesson M&P for $450, or this Bear Creek AR for $400, either of which would make an excellent first rifle. One of my personal favorites is this Radical Firearms AR with a free float rail for $450. I have used Radical ARs before and they are an excellent value. Finally, we come to shotguns. If you are simply looking for a good cheap gun for home defense, nothing beats a pump action 12 gauge. My personal pick is the Hawk 982. It is a Chinese copy of the venerable Remington 870 and it is actually better than the new 870s coming out of Remington right now. There are a lot of inexpensive shotguns out there so do your homework and see what you can find. That’s pretty much it. Sorry for the lack of pics this week. I’m actually writing this at my job so I gotta keep it low key.
I AM THE ONE WHO COMMENTS FIRST!!!
What’s the problem with the Remington shotguns? I have a Mossberg 20 GA and was thinking about picking up a cheap Remington 12 GA but maybe not. How about a Maverick (el cheapo Mossberg for the most part)?
Old remington shotguns are awesome, but ever since Freedom Group acquired Remington their quality control has gone straight to shit. I would go so far as to recommend that you avoid buying any new gun under the Freedom Group umbrella.
Remington
Bushmaster
Advanced Armament
Marlin Firearms
H & R Firearms
Dakota Arms
Para USA
When did that purchase happen?
I believe around 2011.
I have an 870 from the mid 90s. It’s been perfect.
Yeah I would hold onto that cause it’s one of the last good ones.
I believe it still shared the guts with the Wingmaster. Mine is an ugly composite, but it works!
Sorry, looks like 2007. I am not sure when the QC hit the skids but I would definitely avoid anything made in the last 5 years.
Three or four years ago or so I think. I was aware of the Marlins going to shit, I didn’t realize all those other makes fell under their umbrella too.
Bushmaster went so far downhill after the merger that a bunch of machinists from Bushmaster broke off and formed their own company called Windham Weaponry, which I have on good authority makes excellent products.
If they kept the same QA department from Bushmaster, and keep the same tooling schedules, I suspect they’re as bad as the old Bushmaster.
They are. As long as there are cheap S&W and PSA ARs out there, I would stay far away from Windham.
Ah, in 2011 Remington moved manufacturing from an old facility in Connecticut and moved it to upstate NY and that’s when the QC went to shit. Similar goings on with Bushmaster as well.
The old New Haven Marlins are awesome, especially before they started putting the shitty cross-bolt hammer blocks in them.
Primary arms AR-15’s
I had this link while looking for an ar for my roommate.
I am a big fan of primary arms in general.
that’s good to know, I was just looking for cheap enough to get him into shooting and owning guns.
he’s liked shooting since we moved to CO.
I see no Mosin-Nagants in your article. They aren’t as cheap as they used to be but the prices for them aren’t that bad. Also, everyone knows Mosin-Nagants are superior.
On a more serious note, not too long ago I picked up a Ruger 10/22 takedown. It is in the price range of some of your recommendations (I think I paid $330 for mine brand-new). It’s a nice little rifle which I need to shoot more and properly adjust the sights on.
When they were $90 they were great. They’re like $300 now and sooooo not worth it.
I don’t know about the takedown price wise but the regular 10/22s can be had for well under $200 new if you look.
The shop where I bought my take-down had some regular 10/22s next to it. They were significantly cheaper. However, I wanted the takedown. It has a synthetic stock and is a bit easier to clean the barrel. The takedown is currently my only rifle with a synthetic stock. Before my shooting hiatus, when I’d take my other rifles to the range, I’d notice changes in point of impact if it was sufficiently humid outside.
Check out this stock from magpul.
https://www.magpul.com/products/hunter-x-22-takedown-stock-ruger-10-22-takedown
My bad, this is the stock I meant.
https://www.magpul.com/products/x-22-backpacker-stock-ruger-10-22-takedow
Interesting.
To whomever keeps spamming the contact form with
cut it out please.
Fucking trolls.
I can’t help it… I just want to hear his voice one more time.
I think it is that dude they buried in Oregon.
lol
when did that start?!
I’m gonna guess right about noon.
Right after ZARDOZ went off his meds.
I’m Jewish. I presume you are too. Stop being afraid. Call me. Or give me your number and I will call you. I already know where you live, I’m on you. You might as well call me. You will see me. I promise. Bro.
It’s you?!?
And you don’t know me, but I will know you. How dare you send me an email like that I’m on you now. You are fucking with me now. Let’s see who you are. Watch your back , bitch.
And John Titor said it couldn’t be done.
Better watch out HM, Pomp was in the Navy SEALs.
I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot.
Is this sub mostly just Republicans circlejerking? I’m probably gonna get downvoted here, but seriously, just after reading a few comments on posts on the front page today, common and debunked gems of Republican propaganda constantly pop out. Stuff like: “Assassinating Caesar was the only option and Brutus did it to save the Roman Republic” (this one’s particularly bad), “Pompey was bad, but not nearly as bad as Augustus”, “The Varian Disaster is the beginning of the end for the Principate”, “Caesar’s civil war was the war between good (Optimates) and evil (Populares)” (I wonder where does Cicero fit on this moral scale). These sort of historical hallucinations are no longer taken seriously even in Roman academia (and regarded as what they actually are: post-war propaganda), but continue to be spouted by some conservatives in the Empire and are really just as bad as most excuses Augustus uses. Seriously, do people still believe this mythology in 16AD? And if you do, sorry for ruining your circlejerk.
meta
You’re close. Roman erotica is the circle-jerk fodder here.
This isn’t Tinder HM.
It’s not? … *uninstalls*
Hold on. Not so fast.
Based on the gender percentages it’d make a better Grindr.
That explains everything.
“The person sending that email is entitled to his opinion and I should not have responded in that inappropriate manner,” straffinrun said through his spokesman. “I intend to send him an email stating just that. This is one of those times where one wishes he could reverse the clock, but of course I can’t.”
Marc Kasowitz is a goddamn American hero.
That look. Cultivating the perfect, “I’m gonna rip your fucking heart out” expression must’ve taken years.
that’s pretty epic
Looks like they’ll be another used Glock hitting the market.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/07/21/us/minneapolis-police-chief-resigns/index.html
Yeah, that isn’t going to fix anything.
Huh. Good. Now if we can get the mayor and governor to resign we’ll be in business.
I would do the EAA SAR K2P right now if I had the extra cash. That is a deal there. Also any cheap AK because they are fun to shoot. Which cheap AK is the best to build on?
Right now there are no good cheap AKs. I know what I am about to say sounds like a joke but Americans cannot figure out how to build a good AK, and because of the sanctions and other bullshit AKs are now freaking expensive. Just doing a quick skim the only decent thing I can find right now is this:
https://gun.deals/product/hungarian-amd-63-ak-47-type-762×39-high-capacity-phoenix-technology-stock-type-2-51999#comments
The NPAP is borderline but if you want something more traditional it works.
https://gun.deals/product/century-arms-n-pap-ak-47-485-435-after-50-rebate-1495-sh
Back when the Assault Weapons ban was still in effect, I was at one of the ranges I used to belong to. A guy there was packing up his AK and he looked disgusted. A few of us got to talking to him. The AK went full auto on him. It was an American made AK which complied with the Assault Weapons ban. He took the AK apart for us, and showed us the trigger group. Lots of evidence of soft metal being chewed up.
Americans are excellent machinists but apparently stamped and cast guns are witchcraft and sorcery because they have been trying for over a decade and their stuff is barely serviceable.
oops, I meant AR……I am not sure why I typed Ak…it could have been AI and still been a mistake.
If you’re going to build up an AR from a base model find one that has a low profile gas block rather than the traditional front sight. That allows you to put a free float hand guard on it without a lot of modification. A free float handguard is the best single thing you can do for an AR.
Beer for tonight. It has a bit of a grapefruit flavor. I don’t like grapefruit. However, the grapefruit is subtle and there are other flavors which I like.
I like beer flavored beer
*notices avatar*
Hiding that glorious hair is a borderline sin, you know.
Don’t slander the custom molded lexan lid, bro
At first glance, I thought the hair had been stretched and shaped into the hat itself.
i must honor scruffy’s excellent work. I am keeping top-hat-hair for at least the rest of the month.
With BP’s permission, I’d like to incorporate a bit of his comic strip into my next avatar change. I’m…not horrible with Photoshop.
Usually I avoid anything with grapefruit in it. Certain hops give off grapefruit-like citrus flavors. This beer is an exception. I’m not sure I’d buy it again if I had the opportunity to do so, but it isn’t bad.
Thanks for the gundeals site. Fun to browse.
The CZ Scorpion is cool.
I have almost bought one like 4 times and everytime I stop and say “That is just too much damn money for a 9mm rifle”.
https://youtu.be/8XAYsYwZGxI
Great review from Colin Noir. I don’t hunt and would only buy a rifle for fun.
It looks fun.
I have one. Total impulse buy, but I love it. At least mags are cheap!
Don’t ever shoot one, or else you’ll own one.
Did they fix the issue with the magazine feed lips snapping off?
I think they redid the polymer to correct that…personally, I haven’t had any problems with mine.
Has anyone got any experience with the M1 Carbine in .30 Carbine or anything like it? I’ve always wanted to shoot it.
Got one sitting in my safe. Unwanted. Never been shot. (Long sad story)
Want to buy it?
Like is it completely never had a round cycled through it, or just not by you? I’d definitely be interested – though I won’t pry on the story unless you want to share it off-forum. What’d you take for it? I still haven’t replaced two of my long guns that were stolen around this time last year.
It’s my wife’s. It’s used. We’ve never shot it.
Long story short, my FIL collects guns. And he’s as fucking deaf as a doornail and refuses to wear a hearing aid. He visited us and my wife took him out to the local gun shops, where he found this gun. He told Mrs Fd’A she needs to buy it. She thinks he wants her to buy it for him, as he doesn’t live in the state. He can’t hear for shit and she doesn’t want to yell in the shop for fear the owner won’t sell it if he hears it’s for the FIL. So she buys it, thinking he’s going to pay her for it…
Not so much!
I was pissed!
She says she’ll sell it for what she paid. (She’s checking to see what it was)
Looks to be in mint condition. I don’t see a scratch on it.
I want to say she paid $750, but she doesn’t precisely remember. If you’re truly interested I’ll give you her email.
Thanks for letting me know. I’m going to try to get a M1 carbine bit cheaper than that to test and see how it feels. If I fall in love with the M1 Carbine and you still happen to have it in the future, could I hit you up again to do an FFL? That’s a good chunk of change for a shooter I haven’t tested. Do you happen to know any date info on it?
I was just talking to Warty about it. It’s made by Auto-Ordnance Worcester MA. I think it’s a reproduction. For the life of me, I can’t find a serial number on it.
I think it’s this:
http://www.cabelas.com/product/AUTO-ORDNANCE-M-CARBINE/1969824.uts
Feel free to ping me about it anytime if you’re interested. I think an FFL is the only way we can do it unless you want to drive to Montana.
If it is not a US military surplus M1 carbine and is at least 50 years old, it qualifies as a C&R. You still need an FFL but a different (and supposedly easier to get) class of FFL. US military surplus M1 Carbines are, if I remember correctly, specifically listed as C&R.
Never been shot. (Long sad story)
Did someone beat another someone to death with it?
I’ve always wanted one as well. I’ve seem them reasonably priced on Buds.
Man, if we just knew an auctioneer, we could have bids…
I have one. Absolutely love it. My pride & joy. It’s a 1944.
Always had a fondness for the m1 carbine. Went to a gun show about 5 years ago, saw one on a table. Checked it out, went home and did some research, came back the next day with as much cash as I could withdraw from the ATM. Had $300 from day 1, $300 from day 2, borrowed some from my roommate. Went to the seller with $700 cash and the seller would not let it go. Pull out a 1oz silver coin and his eyes lit up and we made the deal. Also got an original GI mag still in that brown paper wrap. Put that mag away for safe keeping and picked up some cheapo mags on the internet.
As I was walking out of the gun show with my new purchase, no less than 3 people stopped me; “Hey young man… are you selling that?”. (haha, no, I just bought it actually)
There was an issue with the extractor at first, bought a tool online to take it all apart, cleaned it up and now it runs like a dream. Absolutely love the gun. Did not have much experience with breaking down parts like that, but just watched youtube videos and followed along.
so if remington is on the decline, whats a good 700 competition?
An equivalent Ruger or Browning. Howa’s OK from what I understand.
Mossberg?
I’m told that the various CZ bolt actions are excellent rifles for the price.
Don’t have one myself, though – all my bolt guns are military surplus.
All my bolt guns are also military surplus.
I don’t have a VZ-24 but always wanted one. I hear good things about them.
My Schmidt-Rubin K-11 is my current favorite of my bolt action rifles.
The Swiss make glorious straight pull rifles. Love love love my K-31. It’s spectacularly accurate, not just for a military rifle but for a rifle. Period. Just wish I could get more GP11. And justify hunting deer.
The Ruger American is pretty nice. If you want to kick it up a notch, look at the Tikka T3 and the Bergara.
I’m going to be in the market for one of those in a little while. I’m looking at the Predator model. I don’t hunt (yet?), I’d just like to have a nice scoped bolt-action rifle to take to the range. I forget where I saw it but there was an interesting article about how to build a well-rounded, budget collection of guns from every major “category”–pistol, carbine, shotgun, plinker, bolt–and the American was mentioned favorably for the price.
Your ‘Hawk 982; link links to a ‘interstate 982t’- same thing or faulty link? Also if one were looking for a mid-price home defense shotgun what would be your suggestions.
It’s known by a few names, IAC, HAWK, theyre all the same gun. 982 tells you it’s the right one.
Give me a price range and I’ll give you a gun.
Around $600
If you want a semi auto look into the mossberg spx. If you want a pump you can look into the Kel Tec KSG, but if you buy one run the shit out of it as soon as you get it to make sure it works properly. Keltecs QC is not what it should be.
mossberg 930 spx is what I should have said.
And don’t be gentle with the KSG. It has a retarded mechanism for releasing a new shell from the magazine. So you need that part greased well and you need to forcefully rack the pump all the way back, or you won’t get a new shell in the pipe and you’ll be left with an impotent “click” instead of a “boom.”
It seems to break in some, but there’s a trick to using it correctly.
Fun gun though.
I bought a Mossberg 590 (9 shot) several years ago. I’m no expert on guns but I love it.
Testing, testing, awesome new catbutt avatar testing.
Hee hee!
This guy is my new favorite internet gun nerd. Enjoy.
https://youtu.be/0rPTk8raXdo
HIs “someone started shooting at us while camping” story is funny.
his personality creeps me out a little. but he knows his business. his video about the Miami FBI shootout (and its subsequent impact on caliber-debates) was also very interesting and well-researched.
He just seems like a dad to me.
Its how he turns his head for the sake of the video edit, as though he’s going to listen to himself talk
“What do you think, Paul? I agree wholeheartedly, Paul. Thanks, Paul.”
He does it repeatedly. it should be hilarious. instead it feels a little psycho.
His personality is 100% anal marine. I wish him luck with his channel, but not my thing, and I don’t buy they were being shot at.
Thanks! I like that video.
Ugh. Did someone ship this dude in from 1985?
Letting their fans down the hard way.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/article/40686513/grenfell-tower-fire-nfl-stadium-cladding-identical
OT: But Chief Hareau has
been thrown under the busresigned.Last spring Fortune named her one of the Top 50 leaders in the WORLD
That’s why my cop buddy thought she would skate. I told him I thought she was toast. Puppies and white chicks, man.
I don’t know, the mayor’s actions seem misogynist. Wait, Betsy? It’s all good then.
Danger, Danger!
There’s something hilarious about the non-confrontational, conversational way Fleccas asks questions like, “So, like…. you think Trump’s going to kill 6 million jews?”
Or the dude who Jesusbombs the interview. Hollywood Boulevard seems like a magnet location for the perma-kooky.
Truth is the new shiny. Welcome to the messianic age.
Was he the Messiah?
Went out for dinner tonight. The two old guys in the next booth had some serious TDS going.
My desert this evening
Or dessert, I suppose I meant.
Suck weed every day.
sidebar headline:
Americans Are Smoking Weed at Highest Rate in Recorded History, According to Gallup Poll
proof
Dudes got moves. He’s like come on ladies there’s enough of me to go around. Love that.
That fits for Philly.
Interesting choice.
Suthen posted a link to a song from The Dead South not too long ago. I picked up their album, “Good Company”. It’s pretty good.
I remember that. I like those guys. I have a bad habit of writing things I mean to get on post it notes and sticking them on the column to my right in my normal glib commenting arrangement at my counter where I park my ass on a bar stool. Written on the fourth note from the top is The Dead South.
Good song! I find as I’m getting older that I’ve been listening to music with a Celtic bent. Lotsa Bluegrass, roots etc. Blood will out?
Thank Suthen, he found it.
This song relies on the tune of “The Wild Rover”. Oktoberfest is only 56 days, 14 hours, and 44 minutes away at the time I write this.
Instead of trolling, I should link to an actual Irish band.
I like the more “lyrical” stuff but draw the line at Enya. It’s soothing and reminds me of my Granny. Sweetest woman that ever drew breath.
That wasn’t Enya. The same band on Ed Sullivan.
Ugh. I had my fill of “The Irish Rovers” growing up in a one channel household back in the early 70’s. That shit just makes me want to break noses.
Hah! I understand.
OT – I hope that the little snit today between “you know who” and the moderation team turns into some fake hugs and a little bit of pillow fighting. I like that guy, mostly…
WTF happened anyway?
SOMEBODY bitched about sports-ball and it kind of coriolised.
It was That big a Deal? I saw part of the exchange but banning? Quitting the site? seems extreme and I hope that’s not the case.
I actually like all you folks and enjoy being here
I find it interesting that people think that’s what it was all about.
This.
Glad he’s gone.
I had a thought that was just the straw that broke the camel’s back.
In this case the camel left on its own accord.
Are we being coy now?
You misspelled “cow.”
I thought he was talking about being a koi fish.
There was more to it? I thought it was just kinda a number of bad days intersecting in unfortunate ways. Like when you’ve spent a little too long with your friends and by day four one of them opens the refrigerator in a way that makes you seethe with fury.
good analogy.
That was my thought, too. Everyone’s a money-humping porupine and nobody wants to get pricked. Silly.
Shortly after my daughter was born I nearly got into a fight with an old drunk standing between me and the bar where I was picking up some takeout. Not my finest hour, but it definitely taught me a lesson about how easy it is to have a short fuse. Now I try to assume that most people would like to be calm, positive, and friendly but may be inhibited by anything from a head cold to a lack of sleep to being cut off in traffic that morning.
It’s a good way to live.
maybe they are speeding and weaving through traffic to get to a hospital.
maybe the dickhead who yells at the waitress just got dumped and is having a shit week.
the limp fries were the last straw.
Oh, and to clarify, that’s a genuine question. All the context I have is that exchange in the forums where FS was a bit ungracious, Swiss called him out a smidge, and nobody seemed to want to de-escalate the situation. It sounds like there was some other stuff going on that I obviously don’t know about.
And this, by the by, is my terribly subtle way of trying to pry for dirt without appearing to be nosy.
An article about inexpensive firearms and no mention about the deals on police trade ins? I’ve bought a bunch. Usually a great price for a lightly used firearm.
For example:
https://www.surpluscityguns.com/specials
A friend of mine picked up a Glock 19 and a P226 for pretty cheap that way. They look used but well cared for, and they fire just fine.
When you get a cop trade in, you’re usually getting a gun with a shitload of wear from being carried in a holster for years, and banged around in and out of squad cars, but that typically only has about 50 rounds per year of life actually fired through it.
Yeah, the Glock looked like a Glock. The Sig had some wear on the finish, definitely, but I’m sure it was only fired whenever Ofc. Bar Brady needed to qualify. The dealer might have also put new firing pins and springs and such in, but I don’t know.
A used cop revolver does look tempting.
Need a long gun next though.
totally off topic.
That guy from NPR that interviewed Milo is an absolute twat.
He tried so desperately to catch him on something and ignoring what he said.
There were a few times where I would have pointed out some of his own hypocrisy, or told him to look something up very quickly.
underprepared. idiotic. slow.
milo did pretty well.
Milo is becoming more “polished”, if you will.
the interview could have been good. instead it just felt repetitive because npr didn’t listen to him.
Yeah, the NPR guy was not prepared at all. Everyone on these boards could have at least gone down swinging but that guy just stood at the plate, taking every pitch like a cuck-sucker.