Open Thread.

Brett died.

[VHYRUS SAVES THE DAY– BUT BRETT CAN’T LINK ON HIS PHONE]

But let’s talk about this instead:

BUT SERIOUSLY VHYRUS SAVES THE DAY BECAUSE NO ONE AROUND HERE ACTUALLY WORKS:

I just noticed that there are no PM links queued up at all. Let’s fix that.

Dems tell Mattis not to go along with his own idea. Uh…. okay.

Insufferable Asshole keeps getting more insufferable. Please just go away… please?

Looks like California is going to pot. Jeff Sessions hardest hit?

The horror. THE HORROR! Pants shitting at it’s finest.

Okay that’s all I got. Go… do… something.

Comments

550 responses to “Open Thread.”

  1. jesse.in.mb

    Family friendly, but not vegan friendly.

    1. John Titor

      You don’t make friends with salad Jesse.

      1. jesse.in.mb

        You’ve never had my salad, John.

        Light touch of Italian, crisp romaine lettuce, liberal application of pepperoncini, and a high end charcuterie board of Italian meats and cheeses.

        1. Vhyrus

          Okay that was definitely a euphemism.

          1. Playa Manhattan

            The Italian meat part, anyway.

          2. jesse.in.mb

            *waggles eyebrows*

          3. Festus

            I love you just a little more today, Jesse (no homo).

        2. John Titor

          *Panics, turns on 50s PSA to figure out what to do*

          1. Just Say’n

            It’s too late. You’ve got the gay now. The downside is that you are no longer attracted to women. The upside is that you no longer have to deal with women.

            Enjoy drinking Zima

          2. Festus

            Jack Nicholson is ageless. “Gee Mister Mysterio, thanks for the lift!”

        3. Florida Man

          Charcuterie with a bottle of Rioja is my favorite lazy dinner.

          1. jesse.in.mb

            Worst. Florida. Man. Evar.

            Shouldn’t it be face seasoned with bath salts or something?

          2. Florida Man

            Sorry Jesse. Want to do some whippets and forget this happened?

          3. jesse.in.mb

            Only if they’re bully whippets. The normal ones really don’t do anything for me.

          4. When a problem comes along, you must whippet.

        4. Gilmore

          liberal application of pepperoncini, and a high end charcuterie board of Italian meats and cheeses.

          If you put it in a bread-bowl, it would be like cold deep-dish pizza

    2. PBRstreetgang

      Not even tossed salad?

    3. totally_not_an_escaped_ai

      I’m very impressed with Playa’s meat.

      1. Festus

        That’s what HE said.

        1. Festus

          All kidding aside, I’m old enough to recognize those cars as “beaters” instead of “classics” and was forced to watch many a public service announcement-type film like this. They made us watch “The Child Molester” in the gym when I was nine and I had nightmares for weeks. Not very Groovy, Man…

          1. Chafed

            An OMWC production?

  2. Mad Scientist

    Asparagus makes my pee smell funny,

    1. Playa Manhattan

      Why are you smelling your own pee?

      1. Mad Scientist

        I tried getting a cold to render my nose ineffective, but nothing works. It’s overpowering!

      2. Florida Man

        The smell is caused by the volatile chemical Asparagonic acid, named that because it’s found in asparagus. Lazy scientists.

    2. DOOMco

      I heard that only affects a portion of people. Others have no change

      1. Mad Scientist

        I heard it affects everyone, but a portion of the people can’t smell it.

        1. jesse.in.mb

          I think the latest was that there were smellers and non-smellers AND producers and not-producers of the particular asparagus metabolite.

          So you can safely tell folks there are only four types of people in the world: those that can produce and smell asparagus pee, those who can produce it but can’t smell it, those who can’t produce it but can smell it in others’ pee, and those can’t produce it and can’t smell it at all (the blessed few).

          Sadly I’m in the first group.

          1. Mad Scientist

            So, you’re saying DOOMco and I were both right? I’m not sure I want to live in a world where that’s possible.

          2. DOOMco

            Youre practically a hipster, now.

          3. Mad Scientist

            Never! I will do the honorable thing and kill Brett L first!

          4. compgrokker

            I guess I’m in the latter? Because I only recently heard of this “asparagus pee” phenomenon, but grew up eating asparagus whenever it was in season, and think everyone going on about asparagus pee is just messing with me.

          5. jesse.in.mb

            How committed are you to finding out? I’m driving across country and am not against having an asparagus heavy meal and visiting.

          6. Playa Manhattan

            It’s pretty foul smelling. A little goes a long way.

          7. Festus

            It’s more foul if you’ve been drinking. Fifteen beers and an asparagus feast will make the dog run away in terror. At least you are standing in a handy place when the vomit arrives, God Willin’.

  3. Dr. Fronkensteen

    I thought prime rib night at the WI supper club was Saturday and the fish fry is Friday.

    1. SP

      We’ll be having dinner at Mark’s East Side Supper Club tonight. Will report back. But I’m guessing fish fry.

    2. Gilmore

      If i recall, prime rib night was Tuesday @ Pete’s Tavern. I’d go once a month. It was affordable, as prime rib goes. the food there is ~B+ but I mainly went for the cheers-ish atmosphere.

        1. Playa Manhattan

          That’s a great deal. So great that I’m a little suspicious.

          1. Gilmore

            Its good! not the best i’ve had (*my fave was @ Winged Foot golf course, which muh pappy belonged to for a while), but for under $20 it was @#*($&@* great.

            I’m a little suspicious.

            their clientele always seemed pretty heavy w/ Wall St’rs and off-duty cops. Basically, ‘cigar smoking’ types. I think they could afford to keep it cheap because the regulars all tipped like Made Men.

  4. John Titor

    Yokel media going after ENB hard.

    Bit too much ‘rah rah alt-right’ and talk of ‘pro-degeneracy creeps’ for my liking, but the latter part does somewhat sum up why the TOS/Cato brand of cosmotarianism is a dead end.

    1. Playa Manhattan

      Live by the sword, die by the sword.

      1. Holger-da-Dane

        *Sips pomegranate Manhattan out of frosty martini glass*

        Huh?

    2. Pan Zagloba

      I now marginally like ENB more than before I read the article, so guess it’s re-education camp for me when Vox Day ascends the Skull Throne.

      1. John Titor

        Yep, the sides of this civil war seem to be made up of retards. Have to get through all the crap to the end, which is basically just TL;DR “Koch-brand cosmotarianism is insular and incapable of growing”.

      2. Worker and Parasite

        I just want someone to hurry up and ascend the Skull Throne and send me to a camp. I know it’s going to happen, so I’d rather have it over with sometime soon.

        1. Florida Man

          What did you decide on the .327?

          1. Worker and Parasite

            I looked at my budget and realized I can’t afford another carry gun when I can’t carry anyway (gubmint employee).

          2. Florida Man

            Government employees can’t carry or can’t carry at work?

          3. Worker and Parasite

            At work. And going to/from the building is where I encounter 99% of the people that would warrant carrying.

        2. Stinky Wizzleteats

          Who doesn’t like camp? Maybe they’ll have arts and crafts.

          1. Worker and Parasite

            Like rock-breaking and stitching pillow covers with anti-kulak slogans.

          2. Gustave Lytton

            This one time at government camp…!

          3. Festus

            Hearty Applause!

    3. kbolino

      Wait, being anti-Milo makes you pro-degeneracy?

      I am confused.

      1. John Titor

        I don’t bloody know, I think I may need to overdose on redpills before I figure this shit out.

    4. SugarFree

      “The Liberty Conservative” Huh. I guess “The Oxymoron Moron” was already taken.

    5. Just Say’n

      Is it possible to hate ENB and also The Liberty Conservative? I pick that team

      1. John Titor

        I believe that’s ‘Team Gliberia’.

        1. *perks up*

          What do our cheerleaders look like????

          1. Holger-da-Dane
          2. westernsloper

            That got a genuine LOL. Superb!

          3. Festus

            Fuck my keyboard. I had a page-long screed with colorfully florid language about Robbie Hairdo wandering into the wrong tire shop and hit the wrong key. Poof! Unto the aether, random scrawlings. Next time I’ll be sure to slither into a cave and paint it on the walls so that no one will ever see it for forty thousand years. Fuck, it was good and I had just hit the groove. Fuck.

    6. Gray Ghost

      Some of it’s probably the web page layout, but it reads like a high school newsletter put out by the socially awkward kids, printed out on Mom’s new inkjet.

      The punching down by ENB is bad enough; no need to go on about “Feminazis” and “enormous panties.”

      But then, things like that aren’t designed to persuade anyone.

      1. kbolino

        Some of it’s probably the web page layout

        Yeah, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a two-column wrapped text page layout on the web. It… doesn’t really work.

      2. Chafed

        Yeah. I don’t like what she did but this piece just made her sympathetic.

    7. PieInTheSKy

      Hmm maybe someone shroud write a post on this

    8. DOOMco

      I was hoping my tweet would get in there

    9. Gilmore

      What’s “Yokel media”? Breitbart?

  5. Vhyrus

    WAIT I WAS MAKING EMERGENCY PM LINKS!

    FUCK YOU IM SUBMITTING IT ANYWAY!

    1. Vhyrus

      There! POST THOSE FUCKERS!

      1. John Titor

        NO FUCK YOU SOAVE 2.0 WE AIN’T RUNNING A SHIT SHOW LIKE TOS HERE YOU PUT YOUR LINKS IN ON TIME OR NOT AT ALL.

        1. Vhyrus

          IT WASNT MY DAMN JOB I WAS JUST TRYING TO HELP!

          *cries, runs out of room*

          1. **soothes Vhyrus, includes his links**

          2. Vhyrus

            *talking between sobs*

            Thank… you…riven…for…fixing…my…links!

            *blows nose*

          3. Hah! Anytime, buddy. 🙂

          4. Trigger Hippie

            You best better have sum purdy hair, boy….

            *sharpens knife, fingers belly button hole*

        2. Just Say’n

          “Soave 2.0”

          That’s just brutal, man. ‘To be sure’, that’s a low blow

      2. Nice links.

        1. Brett L

          My fault. Copy and Paste doesn’t grab the link.

  6. Brett L

    Sorry, everyone. I know death is no excuse. I made links, but I shat the bed on saving them, apparently.

    1. Vhyrus

      I just made some links for you brett

  7. Playa isn’t in Wisconsin, is he?

    1. Playa Manhattan

      I don’t get the Wisconsin references.

      1. Dr. Fronkensteen

        It’s a reference to Wisconsin supper clubs, which are known for their prime rib dinners.

        1. Playa Manhattan

          Interesting. Thanks.

          I’m quite the prime rib aficionado, so I’m going to have to investigate this further.

          1. And you will have a brandy old fashioned, won’t ya?

          2. Playa Manhattan

            I’ll do whatever the Wisconsin supper clubs want me to do. They have prime rib.

        2. Agent Cooper

          The Gobbler or GTFO.

  8. Mad Scientist

    Just look at that stupid sprig of green whatever sitting there on those mashed potatoes. YOU ADD NOTHING! Stop sprig blocking my mashed potatoes!

  9. jesse.in.mb

    Paging Sugar Free: has MAGA Prime spotted joyriding on Caitlyn Jenner’s head?

    TMZ thinks so!

    1. Mad Scientist

      Caitlyn drives a bug-eyed Sprite = awesome!

      1. Festus

        Doesn’t look like it would be very good at the “Death-Dealing” part of whatever bargain that xe made with Elder Gods to become the best athlete on earth, that one time…

    2. SugarFree

      Is MAGA Prime cheating on Donald or prepping Caitlyn for her Presidential campaign?

      1. Pan Zagloba

        This is the real MAGA Prime. The one on The Donald’s head, the one that was kidnapped – a clone model. Or is it? They both think they are real, but only one (at most*) can be right!

        *they could both be clones, while MAGA Prime was taken by The Beyonder for a mission of cosmic importance

        1. SugarFree

          MAGA Prime would never go anywhere with anyone dressed that gay.

          1. Pan Zagloba

            The outfit, the smile…but on the other hand, look at that hair. It’s like, PM Zoolander hair, but on a male frame.

          2. Gadfly

            It’s like, PM Zoolander hair, but on a male frame.

            +1, lol

          3. Festus

            It looks like me circa 1985 but you have to subtract the chiselled jaw, muscular physique and general who-gives-a-fuckness demeanor. I mean, if you stood us side by side 1985 Festus would have the same hair and be wearing the same coat. No difference, none at all. I was KANGZ!

          4. Raston Bot

            Hi, I’m the Beyonder. Gifted with omnipotence and omniscience yet so retarded I chase after Kitty Pryde.. or some other inconsequential female.

            I really loathed that guy.

      2. John Titor

        Maybe it’s a leftover from the Crisis on Infinite Heads series?

        1. SugarFree

          A mesh-backed remnant of an obliterated multiverse that was fired backward in time from the hencewhen where the hair has grown to fill the galaxy…

          1. Special Double Issue!

          2. Festus

            Ooooh! Those cool little digest ones wherein you turn the comic up-side down to read pt. II? Pretty exciting for a seven year-old. It’s like a universe of derp esploded in my brain!

    3. Gray Ghost

      Driving, huh? So whatever happened with her manslaughter charge?

  10. Private Chipperbot

    Master Luo heads back to the beach. Continues to be my hero.

    1. Playa Manhattan

      He’s molesting women in broad daylight, and they’re allowing it. This guy is some sort of super genius.

  11. Tonio

    Not funny, PM. I was worried.

    1. Playa Manhattan

      Brett told me to say that.

      1. Brett L

        My shame is great. Luckily, I’m at a bar and they have a non-seppuku solution.

        1. Playa Manhattan

          I can’t think of any other solution at a bar.

    2. jesse.in.mb

      TBF, Brett told him to tell you all he was dead rather than face the shame of not bringing out links in a timely manner.

      1. Florida Man

        I’ll be his second for hari kari.

        1. *hands over sake, rice paper and knife*

          1. Brett has forgotten the face of his father.

  12. totally_not_an_escaped_ai

    A little break from the crazy politics stuff but still Libertarian themed:

    The island ghost town in the middle of the SF Bay

    “There were no police, no mayor, no city council — nothing like that,” Craig says…The town reached its heyday in the 1920s. There were about 80 or 90 houses, many on stilts and with their own rowboats. Five trains a day stopped at Drawbridge, bringing visitors to shoot, fish, relax and drink. Despite Prohibition, Mrs. Sprung brewed her own dark beer and sold it to hotel visitors for 25 cents.

    I take the train shown in the video for my commute to work. I always wondered what those dilapidated buildings were doing out in the middle of nowhere. Not quite Libertopia, but a solid effort.

    1. Rufus the Monocled

      Are you people retarded with the links today?

      Come on get your shit together. I have dinner to go prepare.

      1. totally_not_an_escaped_ai

        Arrgh! Apparently the Glibs site adds “https:”; SF Gate is stuck in last century and only uses http://

        http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/The-island-ghost-town-in-the-middle-of-the-SF-Bay-11303918.php

    2. That page doesn’t load for me.

      1. Playa Manhattan

        Drop the ” at the end of the link

  13. Vhyrus

    YOU BROKE ALL THE LINKS!! AAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    *dies*

    1. John Titor

      Way to go Vhyrus.

      1. Vhyrus

        GOD DAMMIT IT WASN’T ME!!

        1. John Titor

          That’s just like you, blaming Brett for your failures.

          Goddammit Vhyrus, I’ve got my eye on you.

    2. jesse.in.mb

      There’ll be more discussion about the actual links today than in all the history of Glibertarians to this point. You should be pleased.

    3. The Other Kevin

      Is this our latest contest? Whoever can search the news and match an article to each link first gets a free MAGA hat with a Donald wig glued into it.

  14. Rufus the Monocled

    I hope that piece of meat isn’t human.

    1. John Titor

      Don’t knock it til you’ve tried it.

      1. Private Chipperbot
        1. Trigger Hippie

          The discussion about whether or not it was racist to prefer eating the white guy over the black guy always made me chuckle.

    2. Scruffy Nerfherder

      +1 longpig

  15. Did the links die with Brett?

    1. Mad Scientist

      Unlike Brett, the links will be missed, and mourned.

  16. Fatty Bolger

    Where are the actual links? Wait… is this a test to see if anybody noticed there were no links?

  17. Vhyrus

    Okay FUCK IT WE’LL DO IT LIVE!

    Dems tell Mattis not to go along with his own idea. Uh…. okay.

    1. Florida Man

      It’s like Lord H did the links today.

    2. Behold!

      “For one, they wrote, the ban would be the result of “arbitrary and capriciously issued” tweets, not a thoughtful deliberative process.”

      Do they really think this policy originated from Trump’s Tweet? That he just randomly though, “Transgenders are loser’s we should ban them from the military. Sad!” and Tweeted that on a whim?

      Also, I never ever thought I would say this, but those Tweets actually made me respect Trump a bit more. Regardless of the Constitutionality or discrimination or what not, this policy came from the military, not Trump, but Trump released the news himself on Twitter to act as a lightning rod for all of the inevitable scorn and accusations of LGBT betrayal that would inevitably follow. Mattis and the other military leadership, who actually came up with the idea, are getting away clean because the massive TDS is focusing all of the vitriol on Trump.

      1. Akira

        I love how the Left and the mainstream media have totally sperged out over Trump’s use of Twitter; it just unmasked their hypocrisy in such a beautiful way.

        FDR talks to the nation over the radio, and he’s a heroic man of the people. Obama goofs around on late night talk shows, and he’s a totally hip dude who has his finger on the pulse of pop culture. But Trump uses Twitter, and OMG he’s undermining the seriousness of the presidency!!!!!!111

  18. Playa Manhattan

    Martin Shkreli found guilty of securities fraud.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/04/pharma-bro-martin-shkreli-convicted-in-federal-fraud-case.html

    I have some personal experience with him. This was going to happen sooner or later.

    1. Pan Zagloba

      Oh my fucking lack of God, this is a thing that is real

      we write to not only express our strong opposition to President[‘s] recent tweets

      “Congress writes to oppose President’s tweets” – this is an actual bona fide cyberpunk future! We made it!

    2. Jefe Hayek

      People live very sad lives when token gestures from people they’ve never met are this important to them.

      1. You mean like getting the links on time?

        /runs from room sobbing

      2. EvilSheldon

        Sempai noticed me!

    3. Not getting why this* makes him an asshole, He (his office) responds to fan mail, good for him. If it’s the left in the media fawning over him that is annoying, well that’s not his fault.

      *There are plenty of legitimate reasons he’s an asshole

      1. Vhyrus

        Mind you I made these links in like 48 seconds. I guess it is more of the response. You think Trump responding to fan mail would get anything other than absolute scorn and ridicule from the CNN? ‘OMG! Former president still pandering to sycophants!’

  19. Sumo Wrestlers hit hardest.

    Carrying too much weight? You may be mistaken for an American! Heavier people are assumed to be from the US

    eople are significantly more likely to presume a heavy Asian person is from the US than someone of a normal weight with the same ancestry, a study review found.

    It is also assumed that overweight Asian people live in the US legally, unlike those with a healthy BMI, the research adds.

    According to the researchers, this demonstrates being overweight causes people to speculate someone is a naturalized US citizen.

    They add their findings challenge the stereotype that Americans are often white.

    1. Apparently the study is based on the bogus shit that is BMI.

      1. Akira

        Like most government science, it’s based on shit-stupid metrics.

        I run 5.2 miles 4 days a week and do heavy weight lifting the other 4 days. Yet, I’m “overweight” according to the BMI scale.

        1. trshmnstr

          I come from a long line of burly farmers. Even when I was in the best shape of my adult life, working manual labor and working out regularly, my BMI was 25+.

          It’s ridiculously dumb

        2. Festus

          The BMI scale has never been my friend, even when I was a trim and fit high school athlete. I’m in my fifties and still wear 32×33 Levis. Fuck that noise.

        3. BigT

          Ru 4 days, lift the other 4 days of the week. Hmmmm…think I see your problem.

    2. jesse.in.mb

      Which is fun since Japan is turning rayon factories into zero calorie noodle factories to feed the diet needs of fat Chinamen.

    3. Behold!

      Where’s the link to the actual study? I want to snark at whoever they interviewed for being open minded and avoiding steriotyping.

    4. Gadfly

      They add their findings challenge the stereotype that Americans are often white.

      I lol’ed at that. Americans are often white (and often not) so that’s not even a stereotype, it’s a hard fact. It’s like saying you’re challenging the stereotype that M&Ms are often red, it’s meaningless.

      1. Vhyrus

        Look at the other side of that coin. Imagine if someone actually put into print ‘Africans are often black’. The shit storm would be visible from space.

  20. Vhyrus

    Looks like California is going to pot. Jeff Sessions hardest hit?

    1. SugarFree

      The Devil’s Lettuce!

      1. Holger-da-Dane

        Jesse’s salad?

    2. totally_not_an_escaped_ai

      I wish them lots of luck. However:

      A leader of California’s marijuana industry warned Wednesday that the state’s cannabis growers produce eight times the pot that is consumed in the state

      . No legal way to move that much inventory out of state, either.

      http://www.latimes.com/politics/essential/la-pol-ca-essential-politics-updates-california-producing-pot-surplus-1501101923-htmlstory.html

      1. kbolino

        That statistic seems highly suspect. I might believe that the state’s legal growers produce more than 8 times what its legal users consume, but that’s a totally different statement.

  21. Vhyrus

    The horror. THE HORROR! Pants shitting at it’s finest.

    THERE! HAPPY?!

    1. Brett L

      Thanks, bud. Sorry I shit up your attempt.

  22. “Any living creature that moves about shall be yours to eat; I give them all to you as I did the green plants. Only meat with its lifeblood still in it you shall not eat.” – Genesis 9:3-4 (NABRE)

    Notes to NABRE Bible: “Because a living being dies when it loses most of its blood, the ancients regarded blood as the seat of life, and therefore as sacred. Jewish tradition considered the prohibition against eating meat with blood to be binding on all, because it was given by God to Noah, the new ancestor of all humankind; therefore the early Christian Church retained it for a time (Acts 15:20, 29).”

    1. Pan Zagloba

      Wait, rare steak is whatever Christian equivalent of haram is?

      1. “retained [the prohibition] *for a time*”

      2. Playa Manhattan

        No. Rare steak is red because of myoglobin, not blood.

      3. jesse.in.mb

        As long as the blood was extracted or washed out it was fine, it wasn’t about the level of cooking but the retention of blood. Kosher salt should more properly be (and is more properly) called koshering salt because it’s used to draw blood from the meat.

    2. The Last American Hero

      “Holy Crap. When I said any living creature that moves, I didn’t mean to be taken literally, dip shits. Here’s some additional guidance.”

      God, Leviticus chapter 11 and Deuteronomy chapter 14

      1. Gadfly

        Hence why the Jews determined the lifeblood law to apply to everyone. The extra-restrictions from Leviticus and Deuteronomy are Jews-only. Us Gentiles can freely eat pork and all other non-Kosher stuff and still be considered righteous by the Jews for only following the Seven Laws of Noah. To me, that makes it seem like it’s way easier to get into Jew-heaven as a non-Jew than a Jew, but perhaps I can be enlightened on a (((Tuesday))).

  23. Juvenile Bluster

    Dammit, my wife asked me to bring Chinese food home for dinner, but now I want steak.

    AND NO THAT’S NOT A EUPHEMISM YOU SAVAGES.

    1. Vhyrus

      Everyone knows if you brought an Asian home you wouldn’t be sharing with anyone.

      1. Behold!

        I’d hope he’d share with his wife.

    2. Pan Zagloba

      Who wears the pants in the household? She’s gonna eat your meat, AND LIKE IT!

    3. Mad Scientist

      Bring home the Chinese food. Half an hour later, when you’re hungry again, eat steak.

      1. Vhyrus

        Nice buns.

    4. jesse.in.mb

      AND NO THAT’S NOT A EUPHEMISM YOU SAVAGES.

      Sure it isn’t. *waggles eyebrows again*

    5. We have Chinese every Friday. It’s a feast for getting through the week

  24. On the way home I saw a Honda CRV with a “Resist” bumper sticker.

    I haven’t heard much about that “movement” lately. I suppose it is still bubbling away but apparently not with the same post-election frenzy.

    1. Brett L

      Was it made up of religious symbols?

      1. No just white lettering on a purple (the gay color?) background.

    2. Sean

      Does that mean the pussy hat thing is over finally?

    3. creech

      I saw my first Virginia “Don’t Tread on Me” license plate today. Dude waved as he drove by; must have seen my “Don’t Blame Me, I Voted for Goldwater” sticker.

      1. trshmnstr

        They’re ubiquitous here in the outer reaches of suburban DC. I have them on my car, and I see at least 2 cars with them every commute.

  25. Let’s give our non-citizen neighbors the right to vote in California

    President Trump claims California allowed millions of non-citizens to vote in the 2016 elections. This allegation, while totally bogus, has put California on the defensive as Trump uses the lie to justify a new federal commission devoted to making it harder for all Americans to vote.

    Californians should go on offense – by embracing Trump’s ugly lie and transforming it into a beautiful civic truth. Let’s make our state more democratic – by guaranteeing California’s non-citizens the right to vote in local and state elections.

    Sounds radical, right? It’s not. In this country, there is no constitutional prohibition against non-citizens voting; states decide who gets to vote. For most of American history, voting by non-citizens was commonplace. Given Trump’s threats both to immigrants and democracy, Californians should seize this moment to give the franchise back to non-citizens.

    California is home to about five million adults (that’s one in six California adults) who can’t vote because they’re not citizens. This huge disenfranchised cohort is an affront to American principles.

    1. Vhyrus

      Please do that. It will make the coming civil war about 1000% more justified.

      1. What happens if they give the vote to Vietnamese immigrants who fled Communism?

        1. Vhyrus

          Knowing the value of the average person’s intelligence, they’ll vote in the next Pol Pot to governor.

    2. Vhyrus

      The best part is these same people screaming ERMAHGERD RERSHIIUUNNSSZZ!! would then allow literally anyone with a passport and enough money for a plane ticket the ability to directly influence our elections.

    3. John Titor

      What’s the general American position on California holding a referendum to rejoin Mexico? I mean, hypothetically speaking, it’s totally not going to happen or anything…

      1. jesse.in.mb

        Shush you. We have content scheduled for Monday on that.

      2. Juvenile Bluster

        Can I donate to the “Yes” side?

        1. jesse.in.mb

          You currently have several options for a California secession movement. Personally I’d recommend the CNP, but Yes California is recovering after one of their founders left the country for permanent residence in Russia and there’s also California Freedom Coalition, which will be covered on Monday. Because I’m an obsessive self-promoter for how little content I actually create around here.

          1. John Titor

            Which one has the least experience with weaponry and the greatest disdain for funding a military?

            Asking for a friend. *Slides anti-tank rifle under bed with foot*

          2. Vhyrus

            It’s california, so all of them.

          3. jesse.in.mb

            Probably California Freedom Coalition. Check out #2 on the leadership team.

            And stop trying to get spoilers for Monday.

          4. Vhyrus

            NO FUCKING SHIT! Cindy ‘my son turns in his grave’ Sheehan?!

          5. jesse.in.mb

            It gets so much better.

            😉

          6. Gray Ghost

            Looking forward to it, thanks for your work.

            I think there are many ways they could break CA off. I wonder how a county by county plebiscite would turn out?

          7. John Titor

            Her skull shall adorn my standard in a forenight!

            I mean…interesting. Very interesting.

          8. Juvenile Bluster

            I’ll donate to any of them who use the flag of the New California Republic.

      3. robc

        I would favor the referendum if it was held on a county by county basis, and only contiguous counties were allowed to leave.

    4. Stinky Wizzleteats

      So, that’s gotta be illegal, right?

      1. Juvenile Bluster

        It’s not, actually. IIRC they can’t vote in national elections (including Congress), but they can be given the right to vote in local/state elections.

    5. Gilmore

      This huge disenfranchised cohort is an affront to American principles.

      Disenfranchised? they voluntarily left their own country to come earn money (often tax-free) in the wealthiest country on earth. WTF did they lose in the process?

  26. Just Say’n

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7I9V4ZgKoQ

    Tom Woods went after left-libertarians who are taking a Jeff Deist (head of Mises Institute and former aid to Ron Paul) speech way out of context. For a group of people that are constantly talking about the pointlessness of intra-movement sniping, left-libertarians seem to always be the first ones bashing anyone associated with Ron Paul and the Mises Institute.

    1. Vhyrus

      The idea of a left or right leaning libertarian just bothers me on a deep level. I am obviously a right leaning libertarian, but does that mean I should oppose on some fundamental level abortion, immigration, or gay rights? Cause I really don’t. I don’t go out marching for these causes because they aren’t big in my personal life but I don’t actively oppose them. If you start spinning left and right into what should be a very simple and logical political inclination then I think you’re doing it wrong.

      1. Just Say’n

        That’s what bothers me too. There are people actively calling themselves ‘left libertarians’ and ‘bleeding heart libertarians’. I don’t recall what is dubbed ‘right libertarians’ ever referring to themselves as such (nor should they).

        I also never see Ron Paul ever attacking Cato or the Libertarian Party, but on two occasions over the past month, both the head of the Libertarian Party and scholars at Cato have smeared Ron Paul as a ‘racist’ and as the impetus for the ‘alt-right’.

        1. Holger-da-Dane

          This is why there are “libertarians” and “left-libertarians”.

          The moment you are for control of the economy, or control of people’s means and liberties in service to others, you’re no longer a fucking libertarian, because you’ve abandoned the very principle of individual liberty. You’ve become a communitarian.

        2. Gilmore

          There are people actively calling themselves ‘left libertarians’ and ‘bleeding heart libertarians’. I don’t recall what is dubbed ‘right libertarians’ ever referring to themselves as such (nor should they).

          as far as i’m concerned, you believe in principles like self-ownership and freedom of association, or you don’t. People who call themselves “left libertarians” seem to be people who (like Soave) like the ideas as long as they’re just “concepts”… but when it comes to any actual application of those ideas in practice? then they start saying, “But _____________” and find some excuse to ignore those things and endorse some more lefty-friendly idea.

          1. Somalian Road Corporation

            Your rights end where his cocktail party invitations begin, or something.

          2. trshmnstr

            people who (like Soave) like the ideas as long as they’re just “concepts”

            See, believe the opposite. They’re people who approach governance ass backwards philosophically, and through massive amounts of cognitive dissonance they’re able to synthesize their postmodern, SJW, totalitarian philosophy with an affinity for certain libertarian positions.

            They’re not libertarians, they’re progressives whose knee jerk reaction is less authoritarian than the Democrats.

          3. trshmnstr

            See, *I* believe …

          4. BigT

            Soave likes big buts!

      2. PieInTheSKy

        I find the whole splitting liberty in pieces bullshit. There is no such thing as social and economic liberty. either you are free or not. and the answer is … envelope please … let me get my readin glasses… ok now drum-roll… nooot

        1. kbolino

          I find the whole splitting liberty in pieces bullshit

          Also, we’ve hardly got the votes to be splitting. I mean shit, we haven’t even broken into the double-digits! How good is that ~5% of vote when it’s even more diluted?!

          1. trshmnstr

            This is why compromise on things like basic income and SJW crap are absolute death for the movement. Pragmatism is great when you’re in power, but it demotivates the base when you’re a minimal player.

      3. John Titor

        I think the bigger concern (well, more of how badly it will rot an ideology and delegitimize it from within than being an actual threat) currently is the attempts to ram social justice politics into libertarian thought. Because that’s basically poisoning the well with Marxism.

        1. Just Say’n

          ^ Yes. Whatever happened to treating individuals as individuals?

          1. PieInTheSKy

            why do you hate children and the elderly?

        2. Vhyrus

          Libertarians and sjws are natural mortal enemies. You have a better chance making werewolves out of vampires.

          1. PieInTheSKy

            Tell that to Robby and END

          2. John Titor

            Known ‘libertarian’ publications now have writers justifying political violence against homosexuals who say things they don’t like and go after people for dumb jokes on the internet. The rot is already there, we need to cut it out.

          3. jesse.in.mb

            Meh, if Scott Speedman can do it, I don’t see the big deal.

            Also, would.

          4. PieInTheSKy

            gaaaaay

          5. Just Say’n

            I thought you liked hair guys. This guy is shaved like an infant.

          6. jesse.in.mb

            I have broad tastes, Just. Speedman pushes ’90s nostalgia and affable doof buttons.

          7. grrizzly

            Why the scowl?

        3. PieInTheSKy

          well that is the whole point of cultural Marxism / postmodernism /whatever. Infiltrate everything

        4. wdalasio

          Social justice is a collectivist concept. As such, it is utterly incompatible with individual liberty.

      4. wdalasio

        The idea of a left or right leaning libertarian just bothers me on a deep level.

        Meh. I don’t think being a left or right libertarian means you have to buy into either side’s anti-libertarian positions. Either is, after all, still a libertarian. It just means you come at libertarianism with a particular set of priorities and, yes, blind spots.

    2. Stinky Wizzleteats

      Democrats who happen to like guns just don’t like real libertarians it seems.

      1. Vhyrus

        I used to think you could be a pro gun democrat, but I don’t think it’s true anymore. Private firearms ownership implies agency on the part of the individual, and that is so antithetical to the nature of the modern american democrat that I don’t think you can square that circle anymore.

        1. Behold!

          I think there are some Democrats who see government as a “charity” and safety net for workers and the poor, so support the welfare state while also not having a problem with guns for example. The problem is that many of these are blue color whites who the DNC and party elites are openly ridiculing. I see more of them migrating to the GOP, while also trying to get the GOP to expand welfare too.

          1. Dr. Fronkensteen

            Is it really that hard to get the GOP to expand welfare?

          2. kbolino

            We have two parties, the spend more party and the spend more, but slower party.

          3. Gadfly

            I see more of them migrating to the GOP, while also trying to get the GOP to expand welfare too.

            I see the GOP’s way forward, if they want success as a party in the future, is to position themselves as allies of the welfare state (which is too entrenched to be dismantled) while pushing for freedom on other fronts. If you support the welfare state but also oppose regulations, you can maintain a “they care” image while also providing economic growth, a combination that should win the voters. Of course, for that to work they can’t get carried away and expand the welfare state, as it’s already too costly as it is, but they will have to abandon the dream of significant cuts, as I just don’t see a popular will for it.

        2. kbolino

          I have known pro-gun Democrats, and I’m not that old. However, I don’t think they ever fully addressed the cognitive dissonance. I think it was more that the other issues were more important to them at the ballot box (also, there’s a bit of gray market noncompliance going on).

          1. Akira

            My experience was the same.

            Most people who would describe themselves as pro-gun Democrats are people who vote Democrat but also enjoy guns in their personal life. None of these people I’ve known have ever actually done anything to turn the Democrat Party more pro-gun; they’ve just pulled the blue lever every election (even for Hillary, one of the most anti-gun politicians ever).

            So in other words, there are people who call themselves pro-gun Democrats, but they enthusiastically vote for extremely anti-gun candidates every single election.

    3. PieInTheSKy

      yeah labels attached kinda negate the whole thing. left libertarians my ass

    4. Gray Ghost

      There was an interesting back and forth in the Morning Links on the “blood and soil” quote.

      1. Just Say’n

        If you hear the whole speech (which Tom Woods plays the entire thing in his podcast) it is an innocuous after thought that is mentioned at the end of the speech. The whole speech was about decentralization. People attacking Deist are splitting hairs. They’re just looking to attack him

        1. Behold!

          Why though? I get that the Cato guys lean more Chicago while Mises is hard Austrian, but I don’t think that itself is enough to explain the fighting.

          1. Just Say’n

            I don’t know. Seems like the sniping goes back to when Rothbard left Cato and the Kochs get pissed at him (it didn’t help that Rothbard helped wrestle control of Cato away from the Kochs). Then Rothbard backed Ron Paul with the Libertarian Party nomination over the Koch’s preference that they run again as ‘low tax liberals’. After that the Kochs left the Libertarian Party.

            There’s also a basic ideological split. Rothbard, Mises, and all them pretty much hail from the anti-interventionist Old Right. That’s why you’ll never see the Mises Institute or their fellow travelers ever support any American war, but Cato will have people who actively supported the Iraq War.

          2. wdalasio

            Why though?

            I think it has to do with “respectable” libertarianism. For guys like the Cato crowd, being seen as legitimate in the policy-making crowd is a value. As a result, they’re willing to throw what they see as the embarrassing cousins under the bus.

    5. wdalasio

      I’ll also note that the people on the left who decry the failure of others to meet their standards as “the One True Libertarian” (Bo Cara comes to mind. And Michael Hihn) are the quickest to throw liberty out the door.

  27. Rufus the Monocled

    Survey.

    Between Glibertarians and Reason who is ‘Cheers’ and who plays ‘Gary’s Old Town Tavern’?

    1. Just Say’n

      Glibertarians is Cheers, because it’s more crude and trashy (sorry, but it’s true and why I come here).

      1. trshmnstr

        THAT’S RIGHT IT IS! I know trashy when i see it!

    2. Florida Man

      I have no idea what you’re talking about. Is this a Canada thing?

    3. Mad Scientist

      Technically, reason is Cheers. It’s the place where everybody knows your name, and as we all know, everyone there is Tulpa.

    4. Pan Zagloba

      Rufus, you old.

      1. John Titor

        People in glass houses etc.

        1. Pan Zagloba

          …should host naked Russian hooker parties far more often?

          1. John Titor

            Might as well just burn “I work for Putin” onto your lawn in gasoline.

          2. Mad Scientist

            It seems a small price to pay.

          3. Pan Zagloba

            If those darn kids keep getting onto it, gasoline may be the only solution!

    5. The Last American Hero

      I vote Reason as Cheers – remember how the place started to suck when Sam sold the bar?

      1. Just Say’n

        Did Charles Koch sell Reason to David Koch?

    6. Stinky Wizzleteats

      Damn, that’s an old reference.

      Let’s see:
      Who’s Paddy’s Pub and who are the McPoyles?

      1. Playa Manhattan

        *Huffs gasoline*

        Huh?

    7. PieInTheSKy

      I find this question othering

    8. Juvenile Bluster

      Wait, if Reason is Cheers, and we’re Gary’s Old Towne Tavern, does that mean that Nick’s going to bulldoze this place to the ground eventually?

      (I’m old too)

      1. Rufus the Monocled

        You spelled ‘towne’ correctly but I have auto-spell and didn’t feel like fighting it.

    9. Playa Manhattan

      Rufus is Coyote Ugly.

      1. Rufus the Monocled

        /flicks mullet, winks, turns and walks away while kicking cat out of the way.

    10. Custrel

      Always saw glibs as more a Paddy’s Pub

  28. The Late P Brooks

    It were Teh ROOOOOOOOSKEEZE! wot dunnit.

    The overall Russian intent is clear: disruption of the United States political system and society, a goal that in the Russian view was best served by a Trump presidency. What remains to be determined is whether the Russians also attempted to suborn members of the Trump team in an effort to gain their cooperation. This is why the investigation by the special counsel, Robert Mueller, is so important. It is why the F.B.I. counterintelligence investigation, also quietly progressing in the background, is critical. Because while a Russian disruption operation is certainly plausible, it is not inconsistent with a much darker Russian goal: gaining an insider ally at the highest levels of the United States government.

    In short, and regrettably, collusion is not off the table.

    Yes, yes, of course. Treason, it is.

    This sort of stuff is only slanderous innuendo when one is speaking about the Clintons.

    1. Scruffy Nerfherder

      Would someone please show me some evidence?

  29. PBRstreetgang

    Anybody familiar with John Schindler, the guy who writes and tweets a lot and claims to be a former spook? He claims that his NSA sources have Sean Hannity on the phone with Russian intelligence. What’s Schindler’s track record for accuracy?

    1. PBRstreetgang

      Tweet: “#NSA friends tell me they have Hannity in OPERATIONAL calls with known RIS agents. Team Mueller has it all. He is going down. SAD!”

      1. Just Say’n

        Sean Hannity was probably bragging to the Russians how he has a black belt in Tae Kwon Do or whatever. Seriously, if this whole Russian probe ends up with Hannity in jail, it will have been worth it

        1. PBRstreetgang

          Ok, I have to agree with you there.

        2. Vhyrus

          It would be equal parts unexpected and hilarious.

        3. Gray Ghost

          Hannity has a security clearance? Or other contractual obligation that prevents him from speaking with Russians on the phone, even if those Russians are known to Hannity to work for the Russian Government? I’m just not seeing the crime here.

          I am, however, seeing the crime in NSA workers divulging sources and methods to a former spook, now journalist.

          Jeez, remember when NSA stood for, “No Such Agency?”

          1. Scruffy Nerfherder

            This

          2. PBRstreetgang

            Good point. Spitballing here, but maybe the claims is the Russians were using Hannity as a go-between to the Trump campaign? Although, using a go-between doesn’t really make any sense if you’re already colluding.
            Yeah, I don’t the allegation either I suppose.

          3. Playa Manhattan

            I’d further like to know how they’re going to get that “evidence” into a courtroom.

        4. Behold!

          “Seriously, if this whole Russian probe ends up with Hannity in jail, it will have been worth it.”

          If it’s for an actual crime he committed…maybe. It’s a witch hunt though that is setting some horrible precedents. Honestly, if they throw anyone in jail aside from the people who started this conspiracy theory I’m afraid it will be used to justify future similar witch hunts.

          1. Just Say’n

            I’m just ripping on Hannity. I’m not being serious

          2. Gray Ghost

            The pisser about Federal witch hunts is that they often nail people for activity which had nothing to do with the point of the witch hunt.

            PopeHat‘s talked a lot about the concept of the perjury trap, which Martha Stewart, Scooter Libby, et al can tell you is an actual bad thing.

            From the link, mainly because I like how his concise explanation:

            The subpoena out of Virginia is almost certainly a perjury trap — that is, the prosecution is not seeking his testimony to prove their case, but is seeking his testimony knowing what his answers will probably be and planning on prosecuting him for perjury for those answers. It’s a Catch-22 situation. He can plead the Fifth on the grounds that the substance of his answers will incriminate him because of the subject matter of the case, but the government can counter that by immunizing him. That immunity does not extend to perjury, and he can’t plead the Fifth on the grounds that the government thinks that his answers are lies. So he answers and gets prosecuted, or he refuses and gets jailed for contempt. Nice trick.

          3. Playa Manhattan

            Since asserting your 5th amendment right is seen as a de facto admission of guilt these days, I’d go so far as to argue that you have a 5th amendment right to lie to federal investigators.

          4. westernsloper

            That seems to have worked for the entire team in the Clinton State Department. That and immunity for all including their pets.

          5. Not Adahn

            Ken White really wants to be a good person.

            Too bad he’s so shit at it.

    2. does he have a list?

      1. PBRstreetgang

        The list is life.

      2. He has a little list…

    3. Fatty Bolger

      Is that the guy who was fired for texting dick pics?

      1. Vhyrus

        I think you’re thinking of Weiner…

        Yeah there is absolutely no other way to write that is there?

        1. Fatty Bolger

          Nah, not Carlos Danger. This guy.

          I don’t know if its the same guy OP is talking about, but the odds seem pretty good.

          1. Tacit Rainbow

            That’s the guy. He’s had a pretty spotty career, people who worked with him say.

        2. PBRstreetgang

          Yeah, that is the guy! How about that.

      2. Tacit Rainbow

        Yep, he’s Deep State Dic Pic. An absolute tool.

    4. kbolino

      Not familiar with the guy, but you can add his name to the list of unindicted FISA violators. It is both sad and scary that what limited protections were created in the 1970s are being casually thrown out the window left and right for politics.

    5. Bob

      I don’t know, but I would say so what? When the fuck did it become high treason to talk to furriners. This whole Russia hysteria is not just a case of invisible evidence, but invisible evidence implicating non-existent crimes. I can think of 100 reasons for a news person to talk to Russian intelligence if given the opportunity, and zero reasons why that would ever be a crime.

      Is Hannity holding state secrets? Even if he was you would still need more than proof he talked to someone else to even start sniffing at crimes. This whole thing makes the world stupider.

      1. westernsloper

        ^ This

        For fucks sake. Everyone in the DC game (Pols, journalists, talk show maggots……..) talk to Russians and many may be so called “agents”. The whole thing is dumb as dog shit.

    6. Custrel

      So a former spook is admitting he’s getting classified information illegally from current NSA employees? Yeah sure.

      Signed former military spook who actually spent an incredibly boring month at the NSA to break up the monotony of an incredibly boring tour of duty ‘spying’ on foreign govts.

  30. Fatty Bolger

    Justin Raimondo: Has Seymour Hersh Debunked ‘Russia-gate’?

    Nothing really new, just a summary of the current situation. In spite of the ongoing MSM blackout of the Hersh tape, it ends on an optimistic note:

    Whatever is going on here, Hersh’s contentions are now public. The truth, whatever it may be, is going to come out.

    1. Just Say’n

      I heard about Hersh’s accusation. It’s interesting to ponder. But, I don’t even think the investigation even involves Russia anymore, because there was no ‘there’ there.

    2. Scruffy Nerfherder

      If I were the Russians and I wanted to stir the pot, upon finding out that Rich was the WikiLeaks source, I might put a hit on him. Just sayin.

      1. Gray Ghost

        It comes from a Tom Clancy novel, and therefore is probably complete bullshit, but I thought the US and Soviet (now Russian) intelligence apparatuses had a gentlemens’ agreement not to kill each others citizens on each others’ soil?

        Practically, shit like that just never stays quiet, or blows up in your face to begin with, and the tit for tat stuff can get exhausting.

        1. Gray Ghost

          Which is the primary reason I have for doubting any Arkancide conspiracy theories, despite the staggering number of people who seem to end up dead when they cross Bill or Hillary. If those theories were true, how in the world can they possibly keep it quiet, and for Chrissake’s what team of super-villains do they have doing the hitting?

  31. Juvenile Bluster

    Random question prompted by Rufus’ question above:

    In an alternate world where Hillary wins the election, does the break in the commentariat that caused this place to exist happen?

    1. Vhyrus

      It probably happens faster due to the incredible sucking noise generated by TOS lovingly fellating the new chosen one.

    2. Just Say’n

      No. The uneasy peace between the cosmos, the yokels, and the ‘I don’t give a shit’s remains intact.

    3. Mad Scientist

      In Hillary’s universe, does reason still consider Sloopy’s mom getting beaten by cops to be too local?

      1. Behold!

        I’ve heard a few references to Reason screwing up with Sloopy’s mom in the past but don’t really know the story. What happened?

    4. John Titor

      We kind of got a preview of what the content would be like when Gillespie published his smug “Clinton is totes going to win, and it’s because those Trump supporters are backwards idiots” a couple hours before the election. I think the die was cast when Gillespie made the editorial standards go to shit during the actual election, they would have continued to publish garbage like Dalmia, Chapman and Soave, etc. Might have taken a bit longer but the outcome was probably the same.

    5. tarran

      Yes, it does.

      The anger wasn’t so much at the site taking an anti-trump stance. It was at the childish quality of the postings. Childish coverage of Hillary would have been quite off-putting.

      And… bluntly… the “not appropriate for Reason” stance that caused the rupture would still have happened because it predated the assault on Sloopy’s mom by months.

      1. tarran

        In fact, I really want to highlight this exchange I had with Matt Welch last spring:

        tarran|5.31.16 @ 10:57AM

        I’d like to say this one last time, then I am going to keep my peace on the matter.

        The Reason coverage of the LP convention was pathetic in that it seemed to believe that the convention was consequential in some way.

        It wasn’t.

        In 5 years, I expect the convention will be as forgotten and little noticed as the one that produced Badnarik.

        Throughout my entire adult life, I’ve watched voters cast ballots for candidates who promised to make government less corrupt and less oppressive towards the little guy. I’ve watched the government coopt, blunt, repel, distract or utterly shit upon all of these reformist movements.

        The incentives and realities that make the LP irrelevant haven’t changed in the past 4 years.

        Just because the desire people have for this cycle to be different is particularly ardent in no way changes that fact. Ardor does not alter reality. And the reality is that the administrative state is in no way is going to be affected by this election. The pork will still flow to the crony capitalists. The monetary policy will still be set to monetize federal debt. And the foreign policy guys will still childishly play their games of intrigue.

        To which Welch snottily replied:

        Matt Welch|5.31.16 @ 11:55AM

        Readers asked for coverage, readers read coverage, outsiders valued coverage and asked many follow-up questions. Your opinion on the consequentiality of the LP does not change the fact that we aim to keep the customers satisfied.

        One reporter could have covered that shit-show adequately. They sent everybody. And the fart-sniffing and navel gazing commentary they produced was to journalism what a can of pringles is to nutrition. And you can tell what a bang up job of satisfying their customers they’ve been doing by the plunging alexa rating.

      2. Somalian Road Corporation

        I skimmed the comments and laughed at this:

        This morning I saw Mika absolutely grilling a Dem politician about the emails and Clinton foundation shenanigans. She was having none of the guy’s old news/no proof of quid pro/right wing conspiracy spin.

        One highlight was her telling the guy that no, she’s not a foaming at the mouth republican, she just wants answers.

        My favorite talking point that the dem kept repeating is that we’ve been talking about this (latest foundation news) for over 48 hours and there’s STILL no direct proof that anyone benefitted from their donations.

        Meanwhile, the Russia witchhunt, er, “investigation”, has been going on for over a year now (and looking worse than ever) but the common narrative response to that is “investigations take time! Just wait and Trump will be publicly executed right before Hillary becomes Queen soon enough!”

    6. PieInTheSKy

      Well if the split didn’t happen you lot would not have received the blessing of reading my writing, so it’s all good

      1. John Titor

        We have made a terrible mistake.

        1. PieInTheSKy

          This is online harassment. Someone tell Jezebel

    7. grrizzly

      In that alternative world, Nick Gillespie’s post at 6:40 pm on the Election Day wouldn’t have sounded so retarded. So, perhaps, I could still have some respect for him.

      It’s expected by most people who aren’t dazzled by the glints of gold from everything associated with Donald Trump that he will lose decisively tonight to Hillary Clinton.

      1. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

      2. Somalian Road Corporation

        If you had any respect left for Gillespie, a perusal of his Twitter feed should help with that. Did you know that literally everything is racially motivated (even when it’s not)? The Jacket sez so.

      3. Pan Zagloba

        I’m vaguely proud commenters didn’t go corpse-humping and Nick-dumping six hours later.

        1. John Titor

          Our short attention spans are vastly more overpowering than our trolling ability.

    8. Playa Manhattan

      If I hadn’t left before, I would have certainly left due to ENB’s recent behavior. It’s entirely unacceptable, and I don’t want any part of it or that organization.

      1. Gray Ghost

        Dalmia making excuses for antifa going straight Brownshirt at Berkeley, with no backlash from her employer, certainly didn’t help.

        1. Somalian Road Corporation

          Despite the Weigeling, gamboling, millennial polling, Rico Suave-ing and TDS-ing, this was actually the last straw for me.

          Oh, yeah, and that horrific piece about how Trump calling out fake news for being fake news was actually a fundamental attack on freedom of speech and the press. I have zero desire to go look for it but that shit could have been lifted straight out of WaPo, NYT, or the fucking Intercept, for heaven’s sakes. Absolutely disgusting.

        2. Playa Manhattan

          I can’t believe that’s still there.

          I guess she stands by her statement.

      2. DOOMco

        I had been clicking a few things there, about twice a week till then. No more. I got off their email list, no longer subscribe on youtube(which was the only good part left), and made sure i can’t see them when i do go on Facebook by accident.

        I’m out. I was out, but now i think ghosted is the more accurate term.

    9. wdalasio

      I think the break probably still would have happened. My impression is that the drift toward progressivism at TSTSNBN has been an intentional strategy to try to lure a more millennial audience. I recall seeing an uptick in cites of Buzzfeed and Vice. Seriously, they were publishing articles pushing fundamentally unlibertarian arguments and trying to justify it with “well we publish in other venues, as well”. A Clinton win would have justified this shift and reinforced it. Their strategy would be solidified in the prog harder camp.

    10. DOOMco

      It still would have happened. If not exactly this, something close. A different discord to just comment on articles if it didn’t, maybe

  32. The Late P Brooks

    Caitlyn drives a bug-eyed Sprite = awesome!

    !!!!!!!

    *texting while driving in a bugeye means if you ram into another car, the only fatality will be you. Way to be responsible, Caitlin.

    1. Vhyrus

      If you crash that car you deserve to die.

  33. Pomp

    Mmmmmm, prime rib. *gurgle*

  34. bacon-magic

    Mmmmmmmmmmmm

    1. Scruffy Nerfherder

      Get a room you guys

      1. Pomp

        Don’t deny your urges

  35. Gadfly

    Looks like California is going to pot. Jeff Sessions hardest hit?

    Forget Jeff Sessions, I wonder what Caesar’s Legion thinks of this.

    (If you’ve played Fallout: New Vegas, you’ll recognize the town from the article)

    1. Gray Ghost

      Not even a lottery reference in the article, even with the line in the article, “Nipton has fewer than two dozen residents, but it has a way has a way of playing backdrop to big dreams.”

      Bunch of Profligates anyway.

  36. PieInTheSKy

    So it is midnight and still 30 degrees. (86 to you heathens, better then the 103 during the day but still damn hot) Goddamn heatwave. My poor old air conditioning (going on 12 years or maybe 13, who says Koreans don’t build quality product) is barely coping. I need a new one. Been running since 6 PM and it is still 23 degrees in the house.

    1. Vhyrus

      1 oh fucking three? What’s the humidity?

      1. PieInTheSKy

        Bout 65% I’d say. Some parts of the country might reach 108 tomorrow, but not Bucharest. I think the record for the last 100 years was 110.5 in 1927

        1. Vhyrus

          I would like to point out that’s about how hot it is in Phoenix Arizona, but with about double the humidity.

          I’d tell you to kill yourself but I think the weather will take care of it shortly.

          1. PieInTheSKy

            I once went to Antalya Turkey when there were 102 F and 90% humidity. It was a fucking nightmare.

          2. trshmnstr

            Ugh, thats Houston weather right there.

          3. Back in my day (2008) we had 122 degrees in Baghdad for three days straight! And I was wearing 144 lbs of armor and carrying 15 rifles!!!!!!!!!

          4. Vhyrus

            …walking uphill both ways through the snow?

          5. Not Adahn

            Sand AND snow.

          6. Gray Ghost

            Weather underground has the humidities during the daytime highs to be in the 20-30% range at the airports like Coanda International.

            So, I’m reading it as basically like Houston weather. Which sucks during the summer, admittedly.

          7. Gray Ghost

            I swear, I didn’t see Trash’s comment about Houston before I made mine.

            You generally have to get someplace truly hellish before you start seeing 80-90 percent humidity, and 95 plus temps. Someplace like the Persian Gulf say. I don’t know how people live and work someplace like Doha in the summer.

            When people are going to Riyadh to get to better weather…

          8. al Basrah…August. I want to die just thinking about that.

          9. westernsloper

            55-60 C when I was there. The wind + dust made it feel like it burned your skin. Fuck that place.

        2. PieInTheSKy

          Funny thing is there are 3 official weather stations around Bucharest and one is in a region with a bunch of lakes and the temperature is now 6 degrees lower but the humidity is 95%. Dunno which is better.

          1. Vhyrus

            have to look at heat index. 103 @ 65% = 148f heat index. 98 @ 95% = 172f.

          2. PieInTheSKy

            I don’t think humidity is that high during daytime this are the values now. now it is like 70 @ 95 and 82 @60

          3. Vhyrus

            If that’s the case then the lake wins.

          4. PieInTheSKy

            Except for additional mosquitoes

    2. Juvenile Bluster

      Turn that A/C up a bit. Coming from somewhere where it’s on 24/7 for at least 9 months out of the year, it’s set at 77/25C during the summer, when the high’s usually in the low 90s and the low’s in the upper 70s or around 80.

      1. PieInTheSKy

        Seriously I don’t know how people can hate modern technology when we have AC and refrigerators for cold beer

    3. PieInTheSKy

      ANyway Bucharest has the most extreme weather of European Union capital cities. It is hot in summer – record high 108F (42.5C) and really cold i winter can reach –25F (-30C) so quite the difference

  37. Raston Bot

    Been talking up squirrel season to my daughter. She’s siked. She would likely limit out (6) if she could. She shows empathy for her friends so not concerned with burgeoning sociopathy.

    So… rifles for kids?? Go! Obviously 22lr. Read good things about that CZ 455 scout.

    1. Vhyrus

      Hard to go wrong with a good old 10/22

      1. AlmightyJB

        I’ve had my second 10/22 now for at least 25 years.

      2. Raston Bot

        I’m leaning bolt over -semi.

        1. Vhyrus

          You can always pull the mag and single load them, and when the kid is done with it you can throw in a 25 rounder and make a fun little bullet hose.

          1. Raston Bot

            455 scout comes standard as single capacity flush mount mag.

        2. mexican sharpshooter

          How old is she? I know Cricket still makes a bolt action .22lr. Its a single shot but the stock is sized for kids.

          1. Raston Bot

            Cricket is half the price but I like the wood stock on that 455. She may want Cricket though because she could get muddy girl camo stock.

    2. AlmightyJB

      “CZ 455 scout”

      I think that is an excellent choice. I like the idea of starting her out on a bolt action. Teach her to use the iron sites. Try to get her master eye to match whatever her strong side if it doesn’t already. Easiest to do that when they’re young.

    3. Sean

      Why a 22? Tradition?

      How about a 17 hmr? I have a Savage 93 BRJ and it is a absolute tack driver.

      1. AlmightyJB

        Love the stock on this. Now I have to add another toy to my list damn you!

        http://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/savage-93r17-brj-bolt-action-17-hmr-21-barrel-51-rounds?a=1790594

        1. Sean

          I wasn’t even rifle shopping the day I bought it. I saw it on the shelf and instantly knew I wanted it.

          1. AlmightyJB

            Nice:)

      2. Raston Bot

        Less recoil than 17hmr. Eventually get it though for superior BC.

    4. trshmnstr

      I’m thinking I’ll start my daughter on my 177 spring gun when she gets old enough. Then we can talk about bang-bang guns if she likes the springer.

      1. AlmightyJB

        My granddaughter just turned 8. I may look at starting her on a 177 next year.

    5. MikeS

      I saw you said up-thread that you are leaning bolt, but if you do go with semi-auto, the Marlin Model 60 is a great rifle.

      1. Florida Man

        I’ve had mine for 21 years.

  38. Trigger Hippie

    Stun guns that look like cell phones are sold online and marketed as self-defense tools, but de la Guerra said they could be potentially dangerous on an aircraft.

    1. Trigger Hippie

      Butter fingers…Goddammit.

    2. AlmightyJB

      So it’s pretty much a weapon of mass destruction.

      1. Trigger Hippie

        Bah! I accidentally posted before I dove into my rant.

  39. A Leap at the Wheel

    “But let’s talk about this instead”
    Ok, some bastard put that fantastic pound of flesh in an oven that was too hot. The outside is overdone, the inside is underdone, and those mankey white bits are going to be hard and cartilaginous. I know its just food porn, not food-food, but if you can’t roast a prime rib properly in a smoker or an oven, and there’s no shame in that its a high wire with no net, swallow your damn pride and drop it in a sous vide.

    It’ll probably end up looking better, too…

    1. AlmightyJB

      “the inside is underdone”

      No such thing. I think it looks pretty good. Would eat.

      1. Mad Scientist

        The inside looks perfect to me.

      2. A Leap at the Wheel

        The temp is likely fine, but that girl needs to be held at temp for a while to improve texture. By cooking in a hot oven, you aren’t going to soften up the fat as much as you will if you either roast it at 110 or 120 for a few hours or put it in water at 125.

        It looks good, but that’s an outstanding cut of beef and we can do better than good.

        Tell you what, you ever find yourself in my neck of the woods I’ll dig into my meat share and pull some out of the freezer and try to convince you.

    2. Playa Manhattan

      I did a 4 bone sous vide once. The flavor was a little off from what I’m used to.

      1. A Leap at the Wheel

        I’ve had that happen to me too, but my kid is kind of protein adverse and he’ll eat rare steak if its sous vide.

        What time and temp did you use? Did you salt it before hand? I’ve found that for big roasts that you aren’t going to take up to fall-apart texture, the salt makes a big difference.

        Oh, and garlic can put off weird flavors too.

        1. Playa Manhattan

          131 for 6 hours. Salt and pepper.

          I think 6 hours is probably way too long to have it liquid (in this case, its own juices).

          The best prime rib I’ve had is at LG’s in Palm Springs. They dry roast it in a rock salt crust at 170 for 6 hours.

          I’m going to try that method soon.

          1. A Leap at the Wheel

            I do salt at least 12 hours before. Than rub with pepper, a little butter, and fresh rosemarry if its alive outside. Pasturize it at 131 until everything is dead, then keep it at 125 for 12 to 24 hours. Then an hour in cold smoke and a few minutes over hot charcoal for crust. Kind of fussy, but never had an off flavor, never felt like it was brazing it.

            170 sounds crazy hot. They must use the salt to insulate it. Never tried that. Report back, I’d be interested to see how it turns out.

          2. Playa Manhattan

            170 is as low as my oven goes.

    3. And why the fuck did they put all that food on a salad plate, how the hell is someone gonna manage to eat any of that without most of it ending up on the table?

      1. Playa Manhattan

        With a fork and knife, I would assume.

        1. If you can cut that steak and not knock the asparagus and potatoes off the plate you are a better man that I.

          1. jesse.in.mb

            Why not just eat the asparagus first?

          2. And risk knocking the steak off the plate?

      2. A Leap at the Wheel

        Dude, you aren’t supposed to eat salad. It’s bate for tomrrow’s meal. Everyone knows this.

    4. westernsloper

      I fully agree with the smoker approach. The reverse sear is the way to go. That method is by far the most important information I have ever learned from the Glibertariat.

  40. PieInTheSKy

    As I am sure no one fucking cares most Romanians have a weird aversion to beef that is not on the soul destroying gray and dry side of very well done

    1. Interesting! Is it an aversion to rare beef or just beef in general?

      1. Rufus the Monocled

        Stop pretending you’re interested.

        Now, if he mentioned Moldovans on the other hand…

        /raises eyebrow.

      2. PieInTheSKy

        Not an aversion to beef but a pork centered culture. We don’t really have meat cows, just general purpose cows for milk, meat and also until quite recently pulling wagons. I know oxen are more efficient at that, and were used for really heavy loads, but it was more efficient to have a milk cow also occasionally pull a light wagon.

        1. Rufus the Monocled

          What’s Adrian Mutu up to these days? I always picture him coked up banging the Romaine sisters.

          1. PieInTheSKy

            I’m sorry, I don’t listen to hip hop

        2. Seriously fascinating to me since I live in beef country, USA.

          Not that I eschew pork, either. Love me some bacon–and I prefer a nice slow cooked pork roast to a beef one. Sue me.

          1. Rufus the Monocled

            “I live in beef country, USA.”

            Euphemism of the day?

        3. jesse.in.mb

          Not an aversion to beef but a pork centered culture.

          That was Korea. Their beef was an expensive luxury item and frankly their sauces and seasonings worked better with pork than beef or chicken.

    2. John Titor

      You’re really not helping your local tourism board with this stuff.

      1. Vhyrus

        Seriously. Talk about the hookers and show pics of Mila Kunis.

        1. John Titor

          She’s Ukrainian.

          Romania has…Bela Lugosi?

          1. Vhyrus

            MILA IS NOT ROMANIAN?!

            …..my whole life is a lie…. *slits wrists*

          2. PieInTheSKy

            Hey we have Madalina Ghenea which appears naked in a movie called youth

            http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-pL2lUBsRX6w/VjKQ-KQZx_I/AAAAAAAAhO8/HQea21qiIiY/s1600/MG-5.JPG

          3. PieInTheSKy

            NSFW not that you bums work

          4. John Titor

            Ghenea on 30 december 2015 has stated on Instagram: “Ceausescu was leading a Communist regime, but everyone had something to eat and there wasn’t, like now, the abyss between poor and rich”.

            Real winner there Pie.

          5. PieInTheSKy

            That does not really make those tits worse

          6. John Titor

            Commie tits are always worse than capitalist tits.

          7. PieInTheSKy

            But seriously walk through Bucharest in summer. A frustratingly quite high number of hot scantly clad women around,

          8. Rufus the Monocled

            I love the commie bull shit lie of ‘everyone ate and had a job’.

            Retarded.

          9. Akira

            I love the commie bull shit lie of ‘everyone ate and had a job’.

            When I would talk about my former job at the prison with “progressives”, they’d often say something like, “Isn’t it crazy that we can give prisoners free healthcare and education, but we can’t do that for the rest of our citizens?”

            That shit works in prison (to a point) because prisoners are given almost zero freedom. I love how the “progressives” who say that are unintentionally admitting that their vision for America would depend on removal of nearly all individual liberties.

          10. Simona Halep.

          11. PieInTheSKy

            Before or after breast reduction?

          12. DEG

            BEFORE!

            She should never have had that reduction.

          13. Pan Zagloba

            *opens easteurope.rtf*

            Let’s see…only one entry!

            Aug 26
            Yay for shitty news day 🙁 At least Trump hasn’t spoken yet. In the meantime, Accomplished Female Athletes of Eastern and Central Europe visits Romania for the first time. Wasn’t easy – the female sports they excel in are gymnastics and tennis, two sports barred by the feature rules*.
            However, here is Camelia Potec, swimmer, winner of Olympic gold in 2004, as well as four European championships, plus many silvers and bronzes.

            *I’m tempted to allow artistic gymnastics, since balance beam, uneven bars and vault look more like sport than rhythmic gymnastics.

            Yes, because Reason servers were so shitty two years ago, I have two months of archives on Perving for Pros Accomplished Female Athletes Of Eastern and Central Europe saved in a file. I cheated because the original link rotted away, but this was the only Romanian entry.

          14. John Titor

            Maybe Thicc Thursdays have affected my mind but that woman is absolutely titless.

          15. jesse.in.mb

            This is what happens when you let Heroic Mulatto colonize your brain.

          16. Pan Zagloba

            Olympic-level swimmers will be, yes. Why the photographer didn’t focus on her legs I have no idea.

            I mean, I have two months of posts and she was the only Romanian I could find – although, as mentioned above, I excluded gymnastics and tennis, which are two sports they excel at.

          17. DEG

            You need to bring the series back.

          18. Pan Zagloba

            That sounds like work! Will you accept what I vaguely remember being one of the best received posts instead?

            Pan Zagloba|7.22.15 @ 4:47PM|#

            So four out of five entries in my Accomplished Female Athletes of East and Central Europe series featured blondes. To balance the scales, today we have

            Anastasia Luppova

            Twice the winner of European Billiards championship, as well as winner of Miss Billiards 2009 (year the shoot is from). She is now retired, and gives billiard classes.

          19. DEG

            Accepted. Thanks!

    3. jesse.in.mb

      I’m actually surprised. The beef in the Serb quarter of Priština was really good. I guess I assumed Romanians would be at least as good on that front…Now I’ll have to dig out my ancient Romanian cookbook.

      1. grrizzly

        You’re comparing the richest socialist country in Europe with the poorest one.

        1. jesse.in.mb

          I get that, and I had clearly never thought through this very deeply, but I generally expect a little culinary bleed-through between neighboring countries.

        2. Pan Zagloba

          *compares Romania and Serbia now, starts sobbing uncontrollably*

      2. PieInTheSKy

        You will find good tartar in Romania just little rare beef. Then again things are a changing, The improvement in food in Romania in the last 10 years is astounding. You can actually get quite good sushi now in Bucharest as well. Which was unheard of a while back. And decent steak, though it is about 10 to 30 dollars a pound, depending on the butcher shop and the quality, which is pricey for many Romanians.

        1. jesse.in.mb

          Interesting. I’ll have to catch up with my Romanian friend and ask him about some of this. He went to university for food science and was quality/recipe control in meat factory for a while before moving here.

  41. The Late P Brooks

    In an alternate world where Hillary wins the election, does the break in the commentariat that caused this place to exist happen?

    The timing might have been different, but the place was turning to shit well before the election. I was pretty much done, no matter what.

    1. trshmnstr

      yep.

    2. Behold!

      To be sure

    3. kbolino

      I think the catalyst for the split was their refusal to cover what happened to sloopy’s mom. I don’t think national politics was nearly as instrumental in driving people away as the utter loss of faith that occurred because of that. And the reason they gave was total bullshit. They cover picayune “local” bullshit all the time, and not just in the brickbats. They basically said, fuck you, your mom’s story can die on the altar of our editorial direction. To which a solid portion of the commentariat responded, what a shitty thing to do and who actually likes this editorial direction anyway?

      1. Trigger Hippie

        Don’t forget the fact that The Other Place was more than eager to use his relationship with Banjos and their children as a pleading point for donations during the annual pledge drive.

        I didn’t make any proclamations saying ‘Fuck ___!’ afterwards and to this day still visit the site, though far, far less often, but it certainly made me lose a lot of respect for the staff in general.

        I still like a few writers there, Welch, Scott, Andrew, and a few others but overall the tone of both the articles and comment section are just fucking toxic. The place is…angry.

      2. xenophon

        I’m a RRefugee too. I saw something about sloopy’s mom at The Other Site, but I didn’t get the story. What happened?

        1. kbolino

          I probably won’t do justice to the story on my own, and I don’t know that I can find a good summary by searching this site. Apologies for any misremembered details…

          Sloopy’s mom is a nurse, who was working at a high school during a basketball (IIRC) game, who went to assist an injured player on the court, told the referee to put the game on hold, and ended up being physically assaulted by a cop, who then charged her with some BS crime.

          There’s more to the story than that, but I don’t trust my memory that much.

        2. DOOMco

          Tl;dr goes, and i could be wrong
          His family was at a HS baskeball game, kid goes down, or appears to be hurt.
          She is a nurse(?) And tries to help. The police physically remove her. They hit her.

        3. kbolino

          Details aside, the story was very much up Reason‘s alley of police abuse. Or so most of us would have thought, anyway.

          1. DOOMco

            This.

          2. Trigger Hippie

            The last I heard, the local police department has been thoroughly shamed by the community involved around the area over this and offered to drop the charges against his mother if his family dropped its civil suit. And the family response to that plea has been a resounding ‘Fuck You!’

  42. The Late P Brooks

    The Reason coverage of the LP convention was pathetic in that it seemed to believe that the convention was consequential in some way.

    Pretending the selection of that idiot Weld as VP was anything but a slap in the face to “actual libertarians” was quite revealing.

    1. Vhyrus

      Both Weld and Johnson shit the bed pretty hard last year. That reason did not call them on it was a big beef of mine.

      1. John Titor

        That Gillespie did the exact opposite, i.e. threw insults at the people who thought they were a bad pick, is telling.

      2. kbolino

        WTF happened to Johnson? tarran has suggest that there is some financial shenanigans going on, but beside that Johnson went from full-throated defenses of liberty (2012) to mealy mouthed appeals to some kind of nonspecific different political choice (2016).

        1. Trigger Hippie

          tarran once made a comment about Johnson that I thought was very astute. He said(paraphrasing here) Johnson is an authoritarian like all the others. The only difference is that Johnson believes the iron fist of the state should hold you in as light a grip as possible, subject to his preference.

        2. Stinky Wizzleteats

          He apparently paid his campaign manager a cool 1.8 million or so annualized, about ten times more than the next highest paid CM who was Rubio’s. That seems pretty fishy to me barring whatever else may have happened.

          1. tarran

            He had to refund $333,000 to the FEC for money that they had given him for “non-qualified” campaign expenses for a previous campaign.

            A large number of people, knowing about this issue, who wanted to make sure their donations were spent on this election cycle asked for assurances that current donations wouldn’t be diverted to pay off this debt.

            He gave assurances that any donations he received this year would be spent on this year’s campaign.

            AND GARY JOHNSON FUCKED THOSE PEOPLE OVER!!!!!

            It’s very clear that Gary Johnson ran to get donations to pay off his debts. He ran a shitty campaign because he was taking a dive. He wasn’t going to spend the donations on a serious attempt to poll well, since if his campaign started getting traction people, would expect him to spend even more money on spreading the message. He needed to run such a lack-luster campaign that nobody would give a shit if the money wasn’t being spent efficiently.

        3. Somalian Road Corporation

          He smoked himself retarded.

    2. trshmnstr

      Also, the unmitigated trashing of Rand Paul’s run in comparison with the knob slobbering coverage of a particularly unlibertarian Johnson/Weld ticket pretty much exposed their idiocy.

      1. Behold!

        Rand was running for the wrong Team. Principals, not principles

    3. Behold!

      The Johnson/Weld issue was a big one for me. I knew Weld was crap and Johnson was as charismatic as Hillary, but it wasn’t until after the election that I learned about the shady stuff the Johnson campaign was doing, like using donations to pay for 2012 campaign debts. That combined with TDS signalled to me that reason was going full feelz and Team over principles. Plus, all the fun people came here.

  43. LT_Fish

    Sooo, if your only experience with films from the dark continent are English-language South African flicks – ie. Neil Blomkamp or Richard Stanley directed pieces – you could pick a worse place to expand your viewing experience than the Congolese film noir “Viva Riva”.

    Would linked to pimp my channel and new review last night, but I was a little busy out in town watching “Le Samourai” – great presentation, but I have a feeling they just stuck the criterion blu-ray into the projector.

    1. Pan Zagloba

      That thing looks really good. I don’t want to stereotype but they couldn’t have had a great budget, yet the trailer looks like they got all the money on screen – unless it’s carefully curated and 85% of the movie is two people in front of a wall…

      1. LT_Fish

        Well, European or US investment funds do go a lot further if you can do the entire thing effectively in a 3rd world country. Like I was saying, I’d guess very little was filmed on any sort of sound stage.

  44. Trigger Hippie

    “Stun guns that look like cell phones are sold online and marketed as self-defense tools, but de la Guerra said they could be potentially dangerous on an aircraft.”

    To what extent, exactly? The last I heard, the cockpit door was bolted shut during flight for the most part. So a guy grabs his decoy, advances towards the cockpit, is stopped by either a flight attendant or the door, stuns them, then what? It’s not like you could use it to puncture the fuselage or anything.

    Everybody on that flight would immediately think 9/11!!! and bum-rush the fucking idiot before he could commandeer the plane.

    While I get it that needing one on hand isn’t necessarily likely in that situation, having the option to carry one might actually stop or deter somebody idiot enough to try anything.

    1. Vhyrus

      I might do a FF on this even though they aren’t firearms, but here’s a little primer.

      There are 2 types of devices usually called stun guns: Tasers (as in brand name taser brand tasers) and everything else.

      The everything else is 99% cheap chinese plastic shit you buy at flea markets and on ebay for $20. It puts out a very high voltage low amperage electric arc, which hurts while in contact with skin.

      That is all it does.

      It is pain compliance and nothing else. No lasting damage, no incapacitation, and the effects wear off the moment contact is broken.

      In short, there is absolutely zero risk from someone having one on a plane, unless he could somehow torture a person into letting him into the cockpit, which is essentially impossible.

      Real Taser brand tasers actually do incapacitate and have the ability to actually do some damage, but since there are no tasers shaped like phones we can completely rule those out.

  45. Rufus the Monocled

    271 comments AND NOT ONE OF YOU ASKED ABOUT BRETT?!

    DO ANY OF YOU WORK?

    1. trshmnstr
    2. Mad Scientist

      He’s dead to us! Dead!

    3. Pan Zagloba

      I maintain DADT policy on Florida-related matters.

    4. John Titor

      Meh he was just going to end up Orphan Chow.

    5. Trigger Hippie

      The lede was far too glib to be taken seriously.

    6. MikeS

      Not on Fridays.

      And who is Brett?

  46. The Late P Brooks

    rifles for kids?? Go! Obviously 22lr.

    As I have said before, I’m a fan of what I like to call the “carnival gun” which is an exposed hammer pump action and shoots short, long and long rifle. You can get an original Winchester, but even the ones that look like they have been wrapped up in a logging chain under the seat of a pickup truck for fifty years go for upwards of $650 around here.

    * so called because I remember them from carnival shooting galleries when I was a kid.

    1. Stinky Wizzleteats

      Are you a Bronx street rat from the 1890s?

  47. So, I missed the Civil War discussion this morning,

    So instead here’s a discussion: did Abraham Lincoln outgrow his youthful irreligious views?

    “It’s almost beyond dispute that, as a young man, Lincoln was hostile to Christianity and organized religion in general. While living in New Salem, Illinois, he was part of a group of friends heavily influenced by Enlightenment writers like Voltaire. Mansfield speculates that Lincoln’s bad experiences with ministers, his troubled relationship with his own father, and the shame he felt at his mother’s illegitimacy probably affected his lack of faith as well.

    “At one point, Lincoln even wrote a book, which he intended to be published, outlining his objections to the Christian religion. A like-minded but more realistic friend burned the manuscript, knowing that to publish it would jeopardize Lincoln’s political ambitions.

    “Most of that is widely agreed-upon. What’s in dispute is where Lincoln went from there, after he left New Salem and settled in Springfield. As the years progressed, and as Lincoln moved from the Illinois state legislature to Congress, and eventually the White House, his public statements took on an increasingly-religious tone.”

    1. Rufus the Monocled

      “What’s in dispute is where Lincoln went from there”

      Just guessing here but he went on to be President, start The Civil War and has a memorial people visit more than they do the Jefferson memorial?

    2. Behold!

      Religious =/= Christian. Not a Lincoln historian myself, but I know he was one of the big “civic religion” people. Perhaps he stayed hostile to Christianity but became a more fervent member of the church of the state?

    3. The Last American Hero

      He probably would have been more open to religion if churches in the 1850’s had been more accepting of alternative lifestyles.

  48. IS THERE A RIGHT WAY TO PUT SLAVERY ONSCREEN?

    “For decades, the pageantry of black suffering has endured with curious and voyeuristic obsession in the public square, in part becoming something of a cottage industry for white creators. The cartoonish, fabricated antipathies of D.W. Griffith’s 1915 slave epic The Birth of a Nation were echoed in ostensibly even-handed interpretations such as Edward Zwick’s Glory and fantastical renderings including Quentin Tarantino’s Django Unchained. (Art, Zadie Smith writes, has “never been politically or historically neutral.”)

    “Nor is the conversation around the dueling alt-history series the only contemporary focal point through which the matter of black suffering has been considered: Kathryn Bigelow’s new film Detroit, about the 1967 riots that antagonized the Motor City, has been scrutinized for being “grotesque and even a bit exploitative” in its refusal to grant depth to its black characters, and instead reveling in the violence inflicted upon them….

    “We live in a world where black suffering abounds and is parroted with disheartening ease across TV screens and social feeds. “If we already understand that slavery was terrible,” Brit Bennett wrote in the New Republic, “why must we keep experiencing stories about slavery’s horrors?” Perhaps a past should be just that—a time before, an experience not to be lived again.””

      1. Festus

        I was hoping for a large blatting with a pip-squeak as the curlicue but maybe that’s just me? This is the internet so…

    1. Behold!

      Perhaps a past should be just that—a time before, an experience not to be lived again.

      So you’ll stop complaining about the legacy of slavery responsible for all of the woes for black people in spite of evidence to the contrary, and you’ll stop demanding reparations for slavery, right?

    2. Kathryn Bigelow’s new film Detroit, about the 1967 riots that antagonized the Motor City

      Dear god, more 60s shit?

      1. John Titor

        Won’t end until the Boomers all die off, and then then the Millennials seem to have a ‘Civil Rights LARPing’ mindset which means they’ll probably still get made.

        1. Akira

          Civil Rights LARPing

          Consider that term stolen.

        2. Somalian Road Corporation

          I look forward to more movies like Hidden Figures, with totally fictional fake racism that Katherine Johnson herself says she never experienced in real life. This can only end well and will promote peace and harmony among man.

        3. The Last American Hero

          At least the riots and racial tensions were real in 67. The movie in 30 years about Occupy Wall Street is going to be wholly fabricated horseshit.

  49. Bob

    I was listening to the radio and the commenter says everyone is paying attention to the White House last week of all the craziness with Scaramucci and Priebus.

    I would say I pay attention to politics more than average but I still didn’t know who either guy was before last week. I knew Brannon, Gorusch, Comey, Sessions, Devos, the EPA guy who I forget his name but Priebus and Scaramucci didn’t register before last week.

    I doubt 95% of the US could tell you what either do. I think that’s the problem with so much political commentary. The Washington insiders have their faces up the asses of politicians so much they think every fart is news. I don’t think anyone much cares or knows half these people in the whitehouse. I don’t care if they were fired, or hired or died of a heart attack.

    This inside baseball shit that they talk about every day just isn’t interesting, and I don’t think it’s important to anyone.

    1. trshmnstr

      Priebus was head of the RNC for a while, but I don’t know the other guy.

      1. Somalian Road Corporation

        He was White House Communicator Director for like two seconds. People pointed out that he was anti-gun and ex-Goldman Sachs. He went on some profane rant in an interview and called Rinsed Penis a crazed schizophrenic lunatic and talked about how he wasn’t trying to suck his own cock like Steve Bannon, etc.

        Then his pregnant wife was divorcing him and the left tried to make it out like some “she didn’t want to stay married to the Communicators Director of Adolf Drumpfler’s Fourth Reich, #resist” thing, and for the first time in history the marital status of the brand new White House Communication Director was major international news… for some reason.

        1. Vhyrus

          “Rinsed Penis”

          Mike or John-O? You decide.

          1. Somalian Road Corporation

            I’m afraid I’m not sure where I first heard that. Wish I could say I came up with it, heh.

        2. Bob

          I can google as well as the next guy the point is these are minor political players that nobody cares about except inside baseball political junkies.

          It’s the equivalent of yammering on about how Tom Brady’s fifth receiver got cut and spending hours pontificating on the affect it will have on Americans.

          It won’t because nobody cared who they were before.

    2. The Last American Hero

      I was explaining this to someone the other day.

      We’ve watched umpteen seasons of the West Wing, so we know how this job works. Some educated people in the back room come up with ways to make the President’s ramblings sound like a coherent message, and BJ reads the White House spin to a roomful of reporters. Is it really important who reads the spin? I have no background in public communications and I could do the damn job. We could type the press release into Steven Hawking’s Speak n Spell and he could do the job. We could rotate it every day. This isn’t the same as picking a new Defense Secretary every week.

      1. Somalian Road Corporation

        I mean, personally, I would just appoint Gilbert Gottfried to that position. For life.

        1. Festus

          She- Hulk is doing an admirable job, you sexist shit-lord!

  50. Wayne and Garth ruined things with their shenanigans

    “Historic Aurora cemetery will get fence to stop people driving through it…

    “Back in 2005, thanks to a $10,000 grant, city officials and the local chapter of the Sons of Union Veterans of the Civil War had a ceremony there that included installing nine grave markers for Aurora Civil War veterans that had been removed by vandals years earlier.

    “Another six markers were added later. At that time, it was reported that people would drive through the cemetery — Flagg Street dead ends into the cemetery and there is no gate there —and that kids would use the cemetery as a ball field.

    “[Alderman Juany] Garza told fellow aldermen at the Committee of the Whole meeting this week that people have continued to drive through the cemetery from Flagg to Root.

    “”It’s because there is no fence and no notice to drivers at night,” she said.

    “The new fence would take care of that, she added. There also will be a new, bigger sign noting the cemetery.”

  51. Pal Beck Bennett helps Kyle Mooney dish in depth about deep dish

    “Kyle Mooney credits his friendship with fellow “Saturday Night Live” ensemble member Beck Bennett as being “the real reason I know a thing about Chicago. Yes, thanks to Beck, I know all about some of the best deep dish [pizza] spots here,” said the actor and comedian while in town to promote his film “Brigsby Bear” (opening Friday)….

    “As he rattled off the names of Lou Malnati’s, Pequod’s, Giordano’s, Pizzeria Uno and Due and other famed pizzerias, Mooney stopped for a moment and reflected, “I’ll bet you Chicagoans really get sick of hearing outsiders like me go on and on about deep dish pizza. I’ll bet a lot of Chicagoans don’t even like it, right? It’s kind of like just for the tourists,” he added, with perfect insight into this reporter’s view on the subject.”

    1. Pan Zagloba

      You know, I just checked Wikipedia, and Catholics still recognize the Purgatory. Are you sure you want to be doing this?

      1. Weekend links, you can always scroll down and ignore.

    2. The Last American Hero

      I heard that Real Chicagoans ™ don’t consider Pizzeeria Uno to be Chicago-style pizza?

      Is this true or is this one of those “Real Seattleites Hate Starbucks (which is why there are 2 on every block downtown where the offices are)” things?

      1. Mad Scientist

        I love it when a handful of people claim to speak for a large group.

        1. Festus

          And then we have to bring up the rotary engine again… Swear to God , one more time and we’re disinviting you from the Eclipse Party.

  52. How conveeeennnnient!

    “…As I see it, Democrats’ problem isn’t that they’re on the wrong side of policy issues. It’s that they’re too ready to bother too many ordinary people about too many of their personal choices, all the way down to the hamburgers they eat.

    “They don’t always want to prohibit those choices. But they have become smug and condescending toward anyone who does not match the personal lifestyle choices of liberal elites. Why would the voters on the receiving end of that smug condescension trust such a movement to operate the government in their best interest?

    “The nice thing about the hamburger problem is that Democrats can fix it without moving substantially on policy. They just have to become less annoying….

    “Americans are socially liberal … …

    “… but they do not like being told to feel guilty about personal choices…

    “The hamburger problem is about more than just hamburgers and football…

    “Liberals have supplanted conservatives as moralizing busybodies…

    “If everything is political, then culture will necessarily dominate politics…

    “Cultural power is more motivating than public policy…

    “An air of self-dealing makes liberal moralizing worse…

    “This can be fixed…

    “1. Don’t tell people they should feel guilty….

    “2. Say when you think the liberal commentariat has gone overboard. correct cause….

    “3. Offer an agenda that provides benefits people can see as mattering in their daily lives.

    “4. Don’t get distracted by shiny objects….

    “Turning down the temperature on culture is not admitting defeat…

    “Liberals overreached, but Trump is overreaching, too…”

  53. Jill Filipovic: Prog harder

    “The chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, Ben Ray Luján, said in an interview this week that his party intended to support candidates who can win, regardless of their position on abortion rights.

    “There will be no abortion “litmus test” in the Democrats’ drive to win back the House, he said. His comments echoed earlier ones from Nancy Pelosi, Charles Schumer and Bernie Sanders.

    “That’s not just an insult to the women (and men) who make up the Democrats’ base. It’s a fool’s errand.

    “Much of the left has learned all the wrong lessons from Hillary Clinton’s defeat. They could focus on increasing turnout among their base — women and African-Americans — but Democrats have instead taken a rhetorical page from both Donald Trump’s sexism and Bernie Sanders’s populism by trying to appeal to disaffected white guys.

    “This pivot to the right on women’s health is particularly insidious, reflecting an anti-feminist backlash across the political spectrum.”

    1. “The [Democratic] party has a lot to lose by alienating [prochice women] in a dodgy gamble to scoop up Trump voters, where a “win” apparently means building the ranks of the party by adding more people who are hostile to women’s rights. Clearly, we have enough of those guys already.”

      1. kbolino

        Let me guess, anything short of enshrining abortion as a cultural expression of womanhood is unacceptable?

        The day the Democrats actually run anti-abortion candidates for President is the day hell freezes over.

        1. Somalian Road Corporation

          Yeah, that’s basically it. Tacos, beer, abortions. You can’t just dismiss the arguments of prolife folks outright: you have to be smug and condescending and rub their faces in what they openly consider the murder of babies. This is an election-winning formula on a national scale, that’s for sure, and I encourage the Democrats to listen to Filipovic.

    2. Pan Zagloba

      She’s just a gift that keeps on giving. Fuck it – make her campaign manager for Clinton 2020 run!

      1. John Titor

        It’s going to be hard to do that while wining and dining with the Kenyan upper class in Nairobi and whining about the people actually there to improve the lives of the poor.

    3. Behold!

      but Democrats have instead taken a rhetorical page from both Donald Trump’s sexism and Bernie Sanders’s populism by trying to appeal to disaffected white guys

      If Democrats want to win, they need to dial back on their racism and their repeated bashing of populism. For the latter, they don’t seem to realize that most of the country views them as out of touch elitist, and constantly bashing the very same movement they praised when it happened during the Progressive Era that is directly tied to the will of the people over the elites is a very bad idea.

    4. Pomp

      Democrats’ drive to win back the House

      Chortle. I guess this comes into play after the Stupid Party introduces “kill all fags” legislation or decides to own Obamacare.

  54. The Last American Hero

    According to an Oregon Judge:

    Steve Smith Not Actually A Sasquatch

    1. Vhyrus

      STEVE SMITH LOVE NOT LIKE THAT OF SQUARES!

  55. Playa Manhattan

    Oh, and when you get prime rib at a nice restaurant, this is almost always the au jus. You can spend all day making your own, but this is just better. Period.

    1. Gilmore

      Have you tried bathing in it?

      *expecting this to be HM’s new fetish in T-minus…..

    2. MikeS

      The wife and I really like Johnny’s

      1. Playa Manhattan

        I used to use Johnny’s until I found out about this. You’ll never look back.

        1. MikeS

          I’ll check it out. Thanks for the heads up.

    3. Pomp

      Speaking of au jus, make a French dip sandwich with boursin slathered on the toasted roll. Fucking phenomenal.

    4. westernsloper

      Drippings and Sherry or GTFO.

    1. MikeS

      Their findings suggested heat waves would be the most lethal weather-related disaster and could cause 99 percent of all future weather-related deaths in Europe – rising from 2,700 deaths a year between 1981 and 2010 to 151,500 deaths a year in 2071 to 2100.

      Because greenies will make the price of electricity so high that no one will be able to afford to run the AC

    2. John Titor

      People making predictions of things over a hundred years in the future always struck me as hilarious. Hell, based on our 80s predictions we can’t even get 20-40 years figured out. I mean, can you imagine what dangers people thought would be an issue in 1917?

      “Polio will cripple the Anglo-Saxon nations by 2017 just in time for the Kaiser’s moon colonies to start firing their artillery pieces.”

      1. Gilmore

        The history of USGS/IEA (*and other ‘official’ agencies) estimates of “How much oil remains in the ground” is one of the more hilarious debunkings of “forecasting” i know of.

        I used to have a great link to an example, but have since lost it. this is close to it =

        http://www.ncpa.org/pdfs/bg159.pdf

        The short of it is that every estimate always predicts doom in about 40 years, but their current-state ‘proven reserves’ number keeps multiplying to ever larger and larger amounts. Last i checked it seemed they had given up and just said, “fuck it, we have 100 years of oil” because that was a nice round number.

        I think the reason “40 years” is a nice number for when ‘people should really start worrying’ is that its just far enough in the future that the people making the estimates will have retired from their jobs and no longer have to answer for their mistakes.

    3. Fatty Bolger

      Well, Europe will be massively overpopulated by then, so that’s good, right? Or are we not allowed to pit doomsday predictions against each other?

      1. MikeS

        Good question. It seems that Intersectionality would allow it. Or maybe forbid it? I’m not sure.

  56. mexican sharpshooter

    So I’m at a pinnapple stand:

    Me: Una piña colada por favor.

    So he goes and guts the pineapple and makes a piña colada. I hand him 100 Pesos.

    Pineapple guy: cuesta dos cientos cincuenta
    Me: Wait what!?!?
    Pineapple guy: thats ah, two hundred ah….
    Me: I know what it is you charged me one hundred last time.
    Pineapple guy: ¿Que?

    I gave him another 200 Pesos. My wife is outside now enjoying her $14 piña colada.

    1. Pomp

      what locale?

      1. mexican sharpshooter

        Puerto Peñasco, Sonora (aka Rocky Point). It’s Cabo for less. At least everything but the drinks.

        1. Pomp

          Thank you.

    2. Gilmore

      you should squint your eyes, whistle the “good, the bad, the ugly” tune, and stare at him until he capitulates.

      1. Pomp

        ^this guy knows how to deal with problems effectively

      2. mexican sharpshooter

        Lol. If we’re both Mexican, does that make me the bad?

        1. MikeS

          Well, with that top hat you can’t be the ugly. And quite likely can’t be the good, either. So…

          1. Pomp

            with that top hat you can’t be the ugly.

            Doubly so with the rad Pedro moustache.

          2. mexican sharpshooter

            Its actually a Van Dyke. The pic got cut off.

        2. Gilmore

          If we’re both Mexican, does that make me the bad?

          http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=MXN&to=USD&view=10Y

          i think you’re doing something wrong, at least. shoot the bartender and see if his replacement is more congenial.

          1. mexican sharpshooter

            Oh, I checked the exchange rate before I left (18:1) I am not in denial about it, I got hosed.

        3. westernsloper

          The fact he hosed you on the price means you are not a Mexican senor Sharpshooter. You are gringo now. I meant to ask this morning if you were going there. I met a few people in PHX that go there and wondered how it was. It seemed to be the place of choice for Phoenixites. First trip?

          1. mexican sharpshooter

            True, but I confuse the hell out of everyone, which can be nice. In fairness though he charged the same to three actual Mexicans. I’m in a row of condos along a beach owned by Ex-Pats so obviously its a touristy spot.

            I go here 2-3 times a year, its way cheaper than CA. Its a small shrimping town but they built up a few hotels along the Sandy Beach in the last 20 years. Im over in Las Conchas, which is a rough beach (rocks, shells, etc) during low tide but Im 20′ from the water during high tide. Pretty affordable. http://rmktravel.com/las_conchas.htm

            The turn of phrase is “Phoenician” BTW.

          2. westernsloper

            Phoenician, Phoenixites, Phoneatinators, Phoenablos, same same. I have checked that place out online several times but never made it down there. Nice to hear a review. My last trip to Mexico was Tulum which was very fun. The girlfriend shared your heritage so she confused the hell out of the locals as well which was kind of funny. They would talk to her because of her appearance as opposed to me which is full on no doubt gringo, but I understand more Spanish than she did. We had a great time.

            Enjoy your weekend!

          3. Vhyrus

            I used to go there a lot in the 90s. My parents actually bought a plot of land there before the government stole it from them.

  57. Festus

    Serious question. I’m not doing much with my life and the Wife has a piece of country property in her sights. It’s too far from town for me to maintain my present job and she’s being pushed into this by her daughters. I feel like I’m at a tipping point because I know that this issue will not go away. Carbon monoxide or the rope? It’s hard to get firearms in Canada these days unless you are a criminal. The mortgage will be payed out and she’ll be shed of me. Bonus – just paid the truck off last week.

    1. Festus

      August 5, 2017 Feelin’ Fine!

    2. Pomp

      Hello from Greenland!

    3. mexican sharpshooter

      If you have a wife and family it sounds like you have plenty going on in your life.

      1. Festus

        Yeah, I can get maudlin when I’m in my cups. Sorry about that little episode my fellow glibsters. I’ll be better until the next time that I start bleeding from my “whatever”.