What is libertarianism’s best strategy to gain a legitimate amount of power nationally (and then happily cede it to the people)? Libertarians of the small-l and big-L varieties have sought to gain power by either co-opting one of the major political parties (See; Ron Paul Revolution that the GOP squashed) or by finding candidates to run as a Libertarian that appeal to establishment voters (see: Aleppo). But I believe there is a third, and overlooked, option: get a candidate who does some libertarian things that irritate the major parties and the deep state apparatus, and allow those actions to result in political hysterics from ultra-partisans while average Americans see no net loss from the actions and in many cases a serious net gain. I believe this will continue to set in motion a series of events where the government can be shrunk to a level that’s at least tolerable to minarchists and other run-of-the-mill libertarians.
How libertarian is President Donald Trump?
The answer is: not very. I think that’s been established. The man swam in a pool of cronyism sharks his entire professional life. He, through desire or necessity, has been a rent-seeker. He has used eminent domain to further his projects. He has sought special treatment from political entities both domestic and foreign to further his interests. The man is no altruist. But does that make him distasteful, or does it make the system in which he operated distasteful? Personally, I will rarely fault someone for utilizing the same processes his competition would use, so long as it does not originate from a position of government authority. And Trump never held office before his inauguration. In other words, he never utilized political office for financial gain by, say, orchestrating government access to foreign actors that overwhelmingly donated to your personal foundation or for trade groups and banks that hired your unqualified husband to give speeches at ridiculously over-inflated fees. In other words, I don’t hate the player, I hate the game.
And yes, Trump is allowing Jeff Sessions to wage the drug war, which is a sticking point to a lot of libertarian minds. But I ask you, is it better to wage a drug war and uphold the concepts of equal protection and the rule of law (while allowing Congress to do their job and vote to legalize drugs the right way)? Or is it better to arbitrarily enforce duly enacted laws based on the geography of a person and/or their willingness to bend a knee to the state and support legalization with a ton of unlibertarian strings attached?
Some policy positives already achieved and in the works:
So now we come to Donald Trump’s libertarianism or lack thereof. The man, no doubt, will continue some of our military adventurism overseas. But he has already stopped our policy of running guns to terrorists and terrorist-sympathizers in Libya and Syria after the previous admin established those programs and destabilized an entire region, while thoroughly destroying the likelihood that a rogue regime would abandon its weapons programs and try to re-enter the international community (read: we came, we saw, he died). There has been no resurrection of the programs nthe last two administrations ran to ship guns into Mexico through the drug cartels, for different motives yet still in gross violation of Mexican sovereignty. And perhaps he will continue to not carry out targeted assassinations of American citizens that have never been charged with a crime, which the prior admin was all too happy to do in gross violation of the Fourth Amendment. Furthermore, he has already started to roll back our country’s association with liberty-robbing agreements like the Paris Climate Accord and the Trans-Pacific Partnership. Both of those agreements undercut the ability for American companies and consumers to freely negotiate what they were willing to exchange goods and services for. Removing our name from them is a step in the right direction, especially if it’s followed up with free trade agreements that haven’t existed in a century or more. That action is yet to be seen, but at least someone had the audacity to upset the globalist apple cart and stop a little bit of the insanity those agreements put us further along the path to.
As for civil liberties, Trump is still an unknown quantity. His statement about “roughing up” suspects is problematic to say the least. And I can only hope it was hollow bluster. But even so, it sets a very poor example and he should correct it immediately. Now, having said that, he has not furthered Obama’s policy of killing Americans without due process, but that’s not going to be enough. His willingness to stop going after businesses that exercise what should be a fundamental right to free association looks good so far. As do his overtures to Second Amendment causes. As does his willingness to tackle Affirmative Action and Title IX insanity. Holy crap, I just realized he’s been the best president on civil liberties we’ve had in recent memory. People that overlook the substance of these actions due to his boorishness need to reassess what their priorities are, in my opinion.
Furthermore, our business climate has benefited greatly from having an outsider installed as the head of the regulatory apparatus. Trump has already vowed, and started to carry out, a dismantling of the bureaucracies that stifle economic growth and freedom for Americans. From the onerous EPA regulations to CAFE standards being rolled back or passed to the states, there has been a serious uptick in confidence from the business and manufacturing sectors that Trump will get the government out of the way of prosperity. The hilarious irony there is that Trump was a crony his entire life, as I mentioned earlier. But perhaps he had no choice but to play the game the only way that could lead to success: do what the government tells you and push others out. Now, when given the reins, he seems to be more than willing to eliminate programs that he personally benefited from but that create barriers to entry for others. Yes, he could have opposed the system while benefiting from it. But let’s not pretend he’s some awful hypocrite because he played the hand he was dealt. Business “leaders” like Elon Musk, Mark Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, etc, etc, etc have done the same thing and so did their forefathers like Ford, Carnegie, Mellon, and others on back through the ages as long as there was a government agent with a hand in their pocket. So I’m willing to forgive that.
And lastly, he put what appears to be a strict constructionist on the Supreme Court in Neil Gorsuch. That is a marked improvement on any names mentioned by establishment candidates on either side of the aisle during the last campaign.
The other intangible positive results of a Trump presidency:
Another thing libertarians have always sought is a diminished reverence for elected officials and other “public servants” whose goals are often at odds with those of the people. Trump’s mere presence has caused probably 2/3 of the political spectrum to demand the reverence for the office be scaled back. They are now calling for more power in the hands of the states or localities and even ::gasp:: the people, on occasion. These are people that have been statists to the core. They are the Big Government democrats and NeoCon statist Republicans. And they are finally unified in an effort to diminish the role of the Executive Branch. This serves to re-establish the separation of powers that has become all-too-muddy with much of the congressional responsibilities being passed to Executive Branch agencies in an attempt to deflect responsibility and ensure easy reelection for entrenched politicians. The more responsibility that is pushed back into the laps of our directly elected officials and down to the state or local level, the better for us. It helps us create a more diverse political environment where “laboratories of democracy” are able to compete for ideas and human investment, rather than an all-powerful centralized state controlling everything. And one need look no further than minimum wage laws (since we have them, I’ll address it) to realize a top-down approach where the minimum wage “needed” in New York is imposed on small towns in New Mexico or Wyoming, where the cost of living doesn’t even come close, is a horrific idea. The Trump era is returning us to an ideal the founders embraced in that respect.
And he is returning us to another ideal the founders cherished: temporary service from business-people and non-careerist politicians. The flood of people on Trump’s coattails from all sides of the political spectrum is refreshing. Sure, many are moneyed and or celebrity candidacies. But so what? Its a step in the right direction any time we start to end political dynasties and careerists that sit in the Senate for 30 years as they grow further and further out of touch from average Americans. More turnover from political novices has a much better potential upside of shrinking our government than does further entrenching those who have pushed us to near financial ruin and reduced individual liberty.
The net result so far (in my opinion):
So let us all embrace the non-libertarian president. For one of these reasons or for another I might have missed. But embrace it nonetheless, because it has already borne libertarian fruit, and I suspect it will continue to do so for many of the right and some of the wrong reasons. Its the best we could have hoped for and probably the most libertarian moment in America for a hundred years.
And this might be worth something, but when the correct top man is in charge again, whether in 4 or 8 years, they’ll go back to their worship of power and forget that they ever had these horrible thoughts.
Yep. It will be long columns about the virtues of whomever ‘bringing dignity back to the office’. You don’t change cultural view points by installing a goofball for four years. It needs to be something far more sustainable and long-lasting than that.
Anything that cracks the pearly facade of the presidency as some kind of divine lightbringer is a good thing, and when they go back to their sycophancy at the end of Trump’s reign we will have tomes of their own words to beat them over the head with.
If these people were bothered by double-standards or hypocrisy I’d agree with you, but it doesn’t seem to phase them. Principals over principles, indeed.
The debate is not for the participants, but for the audience. We will never convince the diehards but we will have counterpoints ready to prevent further corruption of the younglings and fence sitters.
Good point.
Which is why sophistry always plays so well in public debates.
goofballs uber alles!
Maybe. Political norms do sway. We didn’t get from the Constitution* to the progressive era without change. It’s slow change, and there’s no way to know it’s change in the right direction but it does happen.
*or whatever Canadians have
“they’ll go back to their worship of power”
The second they realize they won.
Once the govt has been shrunk and the budget dropped to reflect it (hopefully), it will be a tougher sale to push us further into the debt sinkhole unless people see a tangible benefit to the rehiring of bureaucrats.
Maybe I’m being optimistic, but I think people will be refreshed to not have a stifling government regulatory apparatus. And they may just be resistant to someone bringing it back.
I don’t think so, Sloops. It seems like most people want fewer rules on themselves and more for everyone else.
This, unfortunately. People want to be the magnifying glass rather than the ants.
That’s changing, I think. Slowly. People are getting a taste of liberty that had so gradually been diminished I don’t think they noticed.
Furthermore, they’re being exposed to the coordinated disinformation campaign being carries out by the media (Journolist 2.0 to be exact) and are now skeptical of criticisms being levied nonstop against a president that finally has the tools and the gumption to fight back.
The world is changing. Our nation is fundamentally changing. And it’s changing in our direction.
I want to believe you but where is your evidence for this?
That poll I saw a couple days ago that showed there was very little trust in most media outlets.
And the lack of outrage by the masses when trump does things the media goes insane over, like his travel “ban” or his proposed immigration points system.
All of the outrage is manufactured. It’s a hollow shell. And Trump smashes another part of the facade every time he does something and ignores the apoplectic responses from the media and stands in front of a crowd of people it positively impacts.
He is better at optics than he gets credit for.
There may be little trust in the media today, but it won’t be long before the public’s short memory kicks in and they trust the media tomorrow. And just like the terminator, progressives will never ever stop fighting to take away your rights. A temporary lull in people listening to progressive bullshit just means they’ll regroup and come back to try it again and again and again and again and again. I have little faith that the public can make a principled stand over time.
Kind of with Mad on this. The public has always known newspapers and “journalism” always centered around incendiary and eye-catching headlines (clickbait) and sketchy titillating yarns appealing to readers’ bias (yellow journalism) all designed to sell paper as far back as the first newspapers in colonial days.
Read the garbage Jefferson and Adams paid to have printed excoriating each other. Makes buzzfeed and huffpo seem tame.
Then for some reason after WWII we started thinking journalism was a legitimate profession and the 4th estate blah blah blah.
I’m very cynical about people restraining the state. I mean, we started with a limited government and people have been enthusiastically cheering on leviathan for as long as I can remember. As one example, public school keeps starting earlier and earlier. Kindergarten was optional in Florida when my mom was a kid. VPK was optional when I was a kid. Now they have pre-VPK. Soon, whennthe cord is cut at the hospital the baby will be given directly to a caseworker to raise in some government infantarium.
I think this has less to do with people wanting government education and more to do with people wanting government daycare so they can go back to doing whatever it is they did before they had their kids.
The reasons are irrelevant as long as they keep voting for more government. I’m still bitter about the last property tax hike for the “children”.
Until you stop people from being selfish assholes this is likely to not improve.
So never?
This guy gets it ^^
Sorry Sloopy. I think Mad Scientist is right. People will clamor for more rules. I’m hate reading the Calm Act series by Ginger Booth. It is life after climate change derp and perfectly illustrates the mindset of the typical North Eastern liberal. Very worried about free speech, except, you know bad speech. Thrilled to be the one holding the clipboard as others get on the bus for the concentration camp,etc.
I’d been hoping for this to, but, per my very own in-house Progressive, the problem isn’t the power of the office, it’s the person in it. And the President was only revered because people, like Obama (her words, not mine, believe me), who were worth revering held the office. Now maybe in the greater political culture outside of my house and immediate environs things are different, but everyone I work with and most of the people I talk to who aren’t libertarians or Trump-supporters feel the same way. It’s disappointing as shit.
Yep, when Trump issued his first EO on immigration I had a friend clearly say to me: “I have no problem with presidents having the power to issue EOs, I just have a problem with the content of this one.”
That was the same EO Obama had issued early on for basically the same countries, right?
Principals over principles.
Well, it was different when Obama did it, Trump told Rudy Giuliani he wanted a Muslim ban, so that makes it racist, which makes it bad. It’s the intent that matters, not the end result, hence minimum wage laws.
I doubt she knew anything about that – she’d certainly forgotten about it by this year.
Don’t forget, these are the same people who believe the attack on the Libyan embassy was because of a video, that the Russians hacked (i.e. changed) the election results, that mentioning Bill’s pecadillos was trying to make Hillary guilty by association, and that traveling more miles than any previous SoS was somehow a resume enhancer.
IOW: really smart, but completely uninformed.
My stance is cautious optimism. Things like this give me hope:
Secretary of the Air Force Heather Wilson has said the Air Force will significantly pare back outmoded and unnecessary Air Force instructions over the next two years.
https://www.upi.com/Defense-News/2017/08/07/Secretary-of-the-Air-Force-orders-instruction-review/1141502124048/?utm_source=sec&utm_campaign=sl&utm_medium=2
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Aug. 7 (UPI) — Secretary of the Air Force Heather Wilson has said the Air Force will significantly pare back outmoded and unnecessary Air Force Instructions over the next two years.
Wilson said on Friday that the sheer scale of the instructions and publications make it impossible for Air Force personnel to know and follow every rule, many of them contradictory, which breeds cynicism and contempt among airmen.
“There are more AFIs than we need,” Wilson told a room of incoming Air Force fellows at the National Defense University.
“Let’s not tell Airmen how to do everything. Let’s tell them what to do and let them surprise us with their ingenuity.”
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Excellent.
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(CNN)Heather Wilson, President Donald Trump’s pick for secretary of the Air Force, was confirmed by the Senate Monday with 76 votes in favor and 22 against.
Wilson is the first service secretary to be confirmed in the Trump administration and is only the second Senate-confirmed position at the Pentagon since he took office, with the other being Secretary of Defense James Mattis.
Wilson is a 1982 graduate of the US Air Force Academy, a Rhodes Scholar and a former member of Congress, representing New Mexico from 1998 to 2009.
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So, 1996 all over again?
They did this before, for the same reasons. They made it worse.
I wish her well. I predict failure. The bureaucracy is too entrenched to change.
Fire them. Transfer them to places like Minot ND or Dothan AL where they’ll literally be out of the way.
A few of us had this conversation the other day offline. Our proposal essentially came down to: move all of the federal bureaucracies out into the towns and mid-sized cities. DofEd goes to Starkville, MS since that state has scored that need attention. DofEnergy to Butte, North Dakota and Odessa, TX. EPA to Flint, MI and Baton Rouge, LA.
Half of them would quit.
There’s a lot to be said for that plan. Part of the problem with the federal bureaucracy is that virtually all of it is headquartered in the capital, and everyone who works in it lives in or around DC. There’s an entrenched culture that is very particular to the DC metro area.
Fuck you guys!
I like visiting North Dakota. Don’t fuck it up by shipping a ton of useless drones there.
Why not do a reverse Free State project? Send them all to CA. Let them totally fuck that state up. (Or IL)
Agree it won’t work to send those DC bureaucrats to flyover. Those folks should be axed. Plenty of local offices already with folks actually doing something resembling work in some cases and who do feel a connection to the place and people, though not always. Decentralize and reduce prescriptive policy allowing locals to do what makes sense locally.
IL?!
*shakes fist at Pope J*
I’m amazed that in this age she can call them “airmen” and not have a million SJWs all over her sexist case.
Aren’t the majority of armed forces under the age of 25? The only ingenuity horny single young people will surprise anyone with is if they actually give a shit about their jobs.
I think part of the problem is the connectivity today. A person or unit operating 50 mikes from the HQ had no choice but to operate under generic mission guidance. Today every decision can be pushed up the chain (and often is required to be). Additionally this relieves subordinates from decision making mistakes, since they don’t make decisions.
And this is why we need our regulations to give us top cover.
“It’s not fucked up because of my leadership…I was just following the reg. Not my fault.”
I hope several business people, on their deathbed, say “I wish I didn’t have to be a crony. I hated every second of it. I am sorry.”
I won’t forgive those that vote or donate to make more cronyism happen.
In the end, I hate the game more than the player, but the player should be disliked or at least distrusted.
On their deathbeds….
No rent-seekers in foxholes?
heh.
Sooooo…..Should I buy that MAGA hat or not?
I still prefer Austin Petersen’s ‘Make Taxation Theft Again’ hat.
I wonder if his store is still up…can’t find his, but some others are making them!
Austin had his issues but I would take him as president right now.
I agree. I think his last run helped him grow and refine his game. I don’t line up 100%, but never expect that with any candidate.
People didn’t like his meme-ing, but I think that will be a thing going forward. People don’t like his website. I get that. click bait and ads suck. It’s still spreading a libertarian message. I want more libertarian sites, in all varieties.
Austin was by far my choice for the L run. But, how do you think President Petersen would be doing right now against the giant puss frothing rotting vagina oozing inbred congressional toads, bureaucrats, lawyers and civil service slime that is the DC establishment right now? In the fantasy that Austin actually won, they would destroy him the same way. I think Trump might be the only person on the planet stupid enough to stand up to them. He lacks a single fuck to give. I find it refreshingly hilarious.
That is definitely his upside. I’ve certainly enjoyed the schadenfreude.
But I ask you, is it better to wage a drug war and uphold the concepts of equal protection and the rule of law (while allowing Congress to do their job and vote to legalize drugs the right way)?
The AG has the authority to unilaterally (well, I think he has to consult with the DEA or something) re-schedule pot from Schedule 1 all the way down to Schedule 5 (on par with prescription cough syrup). Just for context, opium is Schedule 2.
I definitely fault every President and every AG since the drug schedules were adopted for not following the law by taking pot off of Schedule 1 and dropping it to Schedule 5, because if you follow the requirements for each schedule, that’s where it belongs. Having pot in Schedule 1 is contrary to the rule of law, even positive law (the law as written).
I just want congress to grow some balls and handle it.
The AG can, and should. Can the house defund the dea to the bone to handle it?
I’d totally ax the DEA and the BATF if I were President. Among many other agencies but those would be at the top of my list.
I’ve always favored eliminating any federal department if every state also has their own version of it. Education, energy, labor, transportation, etc. Even the state-level departments could be cut eventually, but just cutting the federal departments would be a somewhat politically realistic goal because we already have departments at the state level that could handle those functions.
My favorite excuse for Obama not doing that was that if he did, the Republicans would say mean things about him, and this is totally unthinkable, therefore weed remains schedule 1 and it’s the Republicans’ fault.
Yeh. It’s the ‘Child mentality’ defence and they’re good at it.
He said the same thing about supporting gay marriage. He was against it until he was forced, kicking and screaming, to support it after Joe Biden opened his mouth and forced him to.
I’ll never forget the article I read right after that that flat out admitted that the black community hates gays but that they’re still okay with Obama because…. skin color. It was a shocking bit of honesty.
If one wanted to know how the black community by and large felt about gays, one needs look no further than the Prop 8 vote in California.
Of course, team blue blamed their votes on the mormons coming in and spending money on a tricknology campaign aimed at the inner cities. But they didn’t want to be too vocal in calling one of their biggest voting blocs too stupid to make up their own mind.
Smith & Young
SUPER Tricknologists
Have Wives Will Travel
Well it’s not like black voters were going to defect to McCain. But it isn’t earth shattering news that voters tend to pick people who look and talk like them.
It was more than that. They actually quoted black people who said “I ain’t cool with gay marriage but I still support Obama cause he black.”
Oh I know. And again I’m not at all surprised someone would vote for someone in who looks like them – especially when it is the same party they were probably going to vote for anyway. I really doubt these voters would have voted for Herman Cain.
Same thing as blue team women. They were voting for Hillary because it was time for a woman… just not a GOP woman like Fiorina
Why even discuss who can de-schedule? Where in the constitution does it say they can even regulate this? Honest question. How has prohibition on drugs stood? They passed a constitutional amendment to make booze illegal. How has it stood that drug prohibition is just fine and dandy when drugs are mentioned as many times as alcohol which is never. I am sure this is a long discussed angle, but it just dawned on me. I am slow.
Pretty sure this falls under a SLD of 9th and 10th amendment. While you’re not wrong, they regulate things that they are explicitly forbidden by law to regulate (e.g.: guns) so what makes you think they wouldn’t get their claws into something that wasn’t considered like recreational drugs?
What does SLD mean? And I know they overreach on 2nd amendment since not to be infringed means something different to me than the supremes, but that has actually stood up to a court case and ruled on by the supremes, which should be overturned but I am not holding my breath. I was wondering if drug prohibition had ever stood up to a court challenge.
Standard Libertarian Disclaimer.
I think someone here came up with it.
I thought Suck Libertarian Dick was the Standard Libertarian Disclaimer? AKA Fuck Off Slaver.
that’s more an exclamation. exclaimer?
It goes back to the congress abdicating its responsibilities. Trump’s presence is so distasteful to the establishment that that is being corrected.
Turns out they didn’t need to after all. Those unwoke people were simply interpreting the Constitution incorrectly.
Ha…..exactly. They must have been a do nothing congress. Total waste of time.
Initially, through the “fuck you that’s why clause.” The Supreme Court, after initially rejecting the premise that taxation could be used to ban things through the backdoor (using taxation to usurp the police powers of the states), relented in 1919 allowing the Harrison Narcotics Act to stand. By the time the courts even sort of bucked back in the ’60’s over marijuana, the commerce clause powers had expanded to such an extent that taxation was no longer needed as a tool of drug prohibition. The feds could do whatever the fuck they wanted.
Commerce Clause. Ya, I should have known that.
Wickard v. Filburn, more specifically. Pre-Wickard, the feds were only allowed to regulate actual interstate commerce, which is why the early drug laws (such as those that came into existence with the founding of the FDA in 1906) only applied to products that crossed state lines. Post-Wickard, interstate commerce was reinterpreted to mean all commerce, which is why booze prohibition (pre-Wickard) required an amendment but drug prohibition (post-Wickard) did not.
The very worst thing that could ever happen to weed is if it was moved from schedule one to schedule 3. It will still be just as illegal where it’s legal and then will also be illegal where it was legal because it will now be scheduled as a controlled medicine, just like opiates, tightly controlled and then an ‘epidemic crisis’ will be declared.
Trump is better than Obama but that bar is at the bottom of the Atlantic. I don’t think there is any question that we are not going to get a true Scotsman anytime soon but I’d be pretty happy with a Paul or Amish. Was some kid running for major office as a Libertarian in Ohio a few years back calling for a 50% cut in the budget. I’m all for that but way to make yourself irrelevant. No one who’s not willing to play a little politics as dirty as that may feel is going to win. So yeah, to your point, I’m not letting perfect be the enemy of good. Honestly though I probably will not be voting for Trump in 2020. I know I won’t be voting for the Democrat and if the Libertarian is Weld, I’ll just hit the bar instead of the polls.
Someone should tell Weld that he can endorse the Democrat as a citizen, he doesn’t have to run for president to do that.
There are good reasons people didn’t vote Trump in 16. I always like an LP vote, even in protest.
I will also accept any libertarian, especially small l, to vote for the best choice in the big parties. Rand in the WH would be great.
I like Rand but I don’t think he’ll ever be president. He doesn’t seem to suffer fools very well and that’s a problem when you’re trying to get elected.
And Trump does? Look I’m a pretty big fan of Trump but the man is thinned skinned to a fault. If he can get in then I think the era of the politically correct president is officially over.
Trump has no problem with idiots as long as they don’t go after him. When they do, he bites back. That’s different than rolling your eyes at every stupid question that only other libertarians know is stupid. Trump appealed to people’s anger with the media and the establishment and fired people up in a way that is not at all Rands personality.
Out of everyone running in 2016 from any party, Rand was my man so I definately would love to be wrong. Maybe he can get some coaching.
Some of Rands positions just aren’t broadly popular in the GOP. Libertarians need to face that reality. I have no idea what his strategy was in the primaries trying to appeal to come off as a “different” form of Republican and referencing his visit to Ferguson. His organization, overall strategy, and tactics were also horrible. He compromised on some principles while emphasizing others. As an individual, he’s too intellectual. The best and brightest don’t rise out of party politics. The larger the stage, the more of an actor you have to be. Rand sucks at it.
Trump knew how to hit the jingoist notes that Rand doesn’t.
It should be mentioned that the same court that struck down taxation as an instrument of getting rid of child labor allowed it for narcotics. Think about that one for a moment.
It’s over man. Our presidents will probably be celebrities going forward. I know Reagan was an actor, but I’d argue Bill Clinton helped start this with his Arsenio saxaphone and MTV boxers/briefs tour of talk shows.
Don’t vote Amish, they’d get rid of the internet, disband the military, and we’d be speaking Chinese within a decade.
How libertarian is President Donald Trump?
The answer is: not very. I think that’s been established.
True. But, I think it’s fair to judge libertarianism in relative terms. Sure, he’s no Rand Paul, Justin Amash, Thomas Massie, or Mike Lee. But, remember that in Washington, they’re the outliers of libertarian. Where does Trump rank? I’m not married to a number, but I’d say in the top third?
That said, I think it’s fair to say he’s at least as libertarian as Shikha Dalmia.
Trump isn’t a libertarian per sé, but he opens the door up for one, especially for folks in his base. You get enough of those people skeptical of establishment politicians and you can at least threaten to vote many of them out.
I think if you scored him on Conservative review, he would so far be a B or C on the conservative scale. In other words, we’d have a far better Senate if there were more of him.
I think it’s fair to judge libertarianism in relative terms
Its the only sane way to do it. Libertarianism is a direction – toward smaller government and greater freedom. The great mistake many libertarians make is rejecting candidates and ideas that move in the right direction because they insist on only the ideologically pure. Its childish, in a way, and a guarantee that no movement will be made in the right direction except by accident.
There is certainly room to argue that a given incremental reform shouldn’t be supported for various reasons, but opposing, say, marijuana “legalization” that includes taxation and regulation but gets rid of the current criminal regime because there are still taxes and regulation strikes me as self-defeating. OTOH, I supported medpot as an incremental move, and there are reasons to think that on the whole it has delayed full legalization in some/many states. But stamping your foot and saying “Utopia or nothing” means you will get nothing. Every time.
IOW, don’t vote leftist (unless I run as a Democrat to fool the progs, then go ahead)
This.
I’m sorry, but Murray Rothbard’s ghost is not going to materialize out of thin air and wipe away the entire federal register overnight.
Any lasting, positive change can only happen gradually. Take what you can get, then work on getting the rest later.
True dat. A lot of libertarians aren’t happy with anything other than moon shots, which means they’re never happy. It’s like the old saw about the street vendor during the Depression trying to sell pencils for a million bucks: “I’ve only got to sell one!”
I agree, but at the same time i’ve complained about how ‘ending the drug war’ has morphed from “stopping the violent interdiction of police into millions of people’s lives” to “finding ways middle-class white people can get high without worrying about The Man”.
Reason spent years with Balko covering the horrors that happened under the excuse of law-enforcement.
Now, they write feel-good-pieces about Cannabis candy. as though that other shit doesn’t still happen every day.
I get that ‘dog shootings’ can get as boring as Robby-campus-kerfuffle pieces, but i think they’d be far better off helping clarify to people that mere-legalization is only a fraction of what ‘rolling back the drug war’ really means.
They’re not pushing back very hard against the opioid war. Which, totally unsuprisingly, has its most rabid media cheerleaders over at Vox.
Police abuse is maybe the one area where people not already of the opinion that The Government is not good may be readily convinced.
Anecdote time!
The last time I convinced a friend of mine from back in Austin to make the trip up here we witnessed a traffic accident. A pizza delivery car had pulled off to the side of the road only a couple of car lengths away from an intersection. A policeperson whipped a right turn through said intersection and collided with the pizza delivery guy. Right in front of us. The cop got out of their cruiser and proceeded to arrest the pizza delivery guy.
Up until this point my friend had assumed that I was getting false information about shitty cops from unreliable extremist websites. She’s still a social prog (Austin, after all) but has a newfound suspicion about such things now.
I had a friend in college originally from Chicago who hated two things above all else: guns and cops. We got into minor debates over it until one day I said “The cops that you hate so much, do you really think they want you to have guns? If I’m a dirty cop and I want to manhandle some people for jollies or shake em down for profit, I’d rather they not have guns.” His eyes went wide as saucers when I said that and he immediately jumped up and said “Dude! I am gonna go buy a gun!” I don’t think he ever did but it’s a personal source of satisfaction that I got through to him.
the biggest issue I have with a lot of libertarians on the drug war is their willingness to accept arbitrary enforcement of federal laws based on state boundaries and compliance under Holder and Lynch but recoil on horror when Sessions announces that he will uphold the law evenly across the country.
Yes, the drug war is immoral. But which is worse: the drug way being unevenly enforced based on geography or a total disregard for equal protection and the rule of law?
(That was a serious question. No snark.)
The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly.
I think in this case “equal protection” is equivalent to “no protection.” And from a practical standpoint, it’s much easier to get people to discard a law that is being ignored and scorned for its uselessness than one that enables police to demonstrate what great protectors they are by enforcing said law. I mean, look at all these marijuanas we’ve seized! And this pile of cash! And this carefully arranged display of (purported) firearms! We are diligent public servants who are keeping you safe!
Whereas if a law goes unenforced, and no bad things happen, it’s much easier to say “this is a stupid law and it should be repealed. Anyone who supports this law are as stupid as the law itself.”
That’s optimal, sure. But barring the government totally ignoring a law (like a law that says you can’t have sex on Sundays), i still think the worst outcome is an arbitrary enforcement where certain people are subject to arrest and others aren’t based solely on geography.
First, it undermines equal protection and second, it allows for arbitrary prosecution of the people in “legal” stages at the whim of a petty government bureaucrat or prosecutor for the slightest offense. And we’ve all seen the Silverglate books and Balko stories proving that hell hath no fury like a
woman scornedgovernment apparatchik not given their due reverence.I guess it undermines equal protection under the law, but again in this case, the law isn’t protecting, but rather the opposite. And it’s much less corrosive that the unequal enforcement be geography based than race- class- or “professional courtesy” based.
And I think it’s important that the Federal law enforcement apparatus (SLD) be held back to allow the state-level laboratories of political cliches to actually generate some data that might convince non-puritans that the drug war may be overwrought.
I don’t think drug laws should be a federal issue to begin with. So i’m fine with “completely uneven” if it means some states can quit wasting resources busting down the doors of people who sell Happy-powder
I’m a fan of competition between states for ‘who is least shitty’. it shows the shitty ones they can’t get away with it.
Yes, the drug war is immoral. But which is worse: the drug way being unevenly enforced based on geography or a total disregard for equal protection and the rule of law?
By the constitution it should only be unequally enforced by geography. The Fed Gov has zero jurisdiction over drugs. By the 10th the states do. The more that gets hammered into peoples brains I see it as a positive.
But perhaps he had no choice but to play the game the only way that could lead to success: do what the government tells you and push others out.
Bull Shit. Had he been a down and out scrapper trying to put a roof over his head and fed his family then maybe I’d accept the abuse of a broken system as the only way to get by, but Trump had every chance to not “play the game” I would argue that not only did he not have ‘no choice’ but was one of the wealthy/connected enough to have the choice to play the game to begin with.
See what I wrote. People will seek rent until there is no use in rent-seeking. The problem isn’t human nature. It’s the fact that we have a government that can grant favors or access to those who seek rent.
I get that it’s a crooked game and many people have sat at the right hand of the dealer, and yes it’s the nature of the world that some will benefit at the expense of others. I just don’t see how those facts absolve the takers, or how it translates to “He had no choice” but to game the system, especially for someone who could have lived the life of ten Rileys in a hundred luxurious laps without ever playing one hand.
OT: GGodzilla star dead at 88ojira hardest hit
Gojira hardest hit.
Sweet Jesus I screwed that up.
I hear he’s going around the house making Godzilla noises in honour of him.
those are some loud noises if you can hear em.
Obligatory
https://youtu.be/8GtTyC53kjU
Indeed. Glad you linked it. I would have thought there is an official Boca video but I guess not.
Anyway.
I view him as the ‘Get the ball rolling’ President.
Exactly how I see it. He makes Rand 2024 likelier with each passing day, especially since the Breitbart folks love him now.
Trump is not a libertarian but we are so far up the creek of big government that anyone that tries even slightly to right that course is going to look like Friedman compared to the last guy. Imagine someone that weighs 600 pounds losing 100 pounds. Are they now considered a health nut? Hardly.
Why are you bringing Chris Christie into the conversation?
Fatties need love too. I wonder if John has a sister.
without diving further into the piece, i think its worth noting that the outline omits one very large (and significant) area in which libertarian political efforts have been made over the years:
– mainly, in the area of think-tank policy-advocacy
iow, rather than bothering with “candidates” at all, or trying to turn libertarianism into a “party” … they just work alongside lobbyists in DC and feed various congress-critters and their aides draft policy ideas.
basically, push libertarian ideas in thousands of teeny bites rather than trying to foist some soup-to-nuts “policy philosophy” which requires voters buying into some all-encompassing vision
of course the downside of this is that many, once getting to DC, become subsumed in the bullshit muck, and begin to believe that middle-of-the-road ideas that are most achievable are in fact the most desirable, and cease any sincere principled efforts to genuinely reduce federal power over people’s lives….. (see: will wilkenson + Niskanen blah blah)….
…that might be evidence that the best way to actually change things for the better is via some batshit crazy rabble rouser like Trump, who just comes in, smashes shit up, and creates space where libertarians can step in and appeal to people as “a less-bad option”.
(shrug)
i’m just happy hillary aint in power.
I am firmly of the belief that you cannot build a new house with the old one still in the way. We need 100 more Trump shaped wrecking balls in all branches of government before we are ever going to get anywhere.
I hope you’re right about the wrecking ball thing but a little early to call that me thinks.
i am not sure i agree or disagree. there are certainly downsides to the wrecking-ball policy as well. It works both ways.
I do think this: trying to sell the general public the entire package of “libertarianism” will never work. I think it needs to be one step at a time, until its just accepted as ‘conventional wisdom’ that [insert libertarian idea]. People as a whole don’t like “isms”. Even the ones who say they do, don’t. People do politics for tribal, cultural reasons, not for philosophical ones. Pushing the totality of an ‘idea’ like the NAP, and trying to show people how it influences everything, is a terrible approach and simply won’t work. Instead you have to appeal to people one common-sense proposal at a time.
I think it needs to be one step at a time,
I agree. While the “brand” certainly needs some work, sales are always retail – in politics, policy/bill by policy/bill. If we can’t show that our specific proposal is better for more people than their specific proposal, we will continue to wander the wilderness, shouting at clouds.
Which is why i hate libertarians who sniff at pols who are good on 6 issues, but shitty on 2 (see: rand)
libertarians are often just as guilty as anyone else in just doing politics for tribal/cultural reasons. They really don’t care about practical improvements in public-policy; they’re far more interested in wearing “Team Not My Fault” jerseys and pretending that their philosophy, however toothless, makes them morally-superior.
Ken Shultz is no libertarian.
“hate” is too-strong a word, and i had no glibs in mind when i said that.
i’m thinking more the “libertymike” types who preened about their conceptual purity, and sneer at people who express the slightest willingness to engage in incremental policy improvements as hopelessly corrupted.
To me, Ken was just really going off the rails like Eddie on abortion over Rand’s conclusion that the proposed “reform” of Obamacare was a net negative — “but it cut Medicaid spending!” as if that outweighed all the bad things that would have been set in stone.
The method that you described can only work if you don’t base your think tank in DC. Take the Mises approach and put it in West Virginia – a short drive away from the swamp, but isolated enough to keep the libertarians libertarian.
And give them nothing but orphan blood for sustainance
Yokels get the orphan blood, Cosmos the Soylent.
Soylent Quinoa?
It just doesn’t have the same oomph to it.
That route, more or less, led to the resuscitation of the 2A. Only it wasn’t the think tanks, it was law professors, mostly, laying the intellectual basis for saying that, yes, the 2A is a real thing and means what it says. Sad that it took decades of law professoring to make this idea acceptable, but there it is.
Offhand, I can’t think of any other libertarian advances coming from the intelligentsia in recent decades.
Lets not forget, after all, that Cato proposed the ancestor of MassCare and ObamaCare. As you note, think tankers are just as prone to Cocktail Party Capture as anyone.
Wasn’t it some dude at conservative Heritage and he certainly got a lot of blowback from others at Heritage didn’t he?
I think it was Heritage.
i’m just happy hillary aint in power.
Cheers
(clinks glass)
Prost!
Senna!
OT: Last I heard, Schumacher wasn’t doing well at all and his family were burning up all their money on medical bills.
You’re in the racing community. What’s the scuttlebutt?
I thought they had free healthcare over there.
“imminent domain“[sp]
OT: I am having a whisky flight in celebration of… well, I got a new pen today. That good enough reason?
Whisky 1: The Glenlivet 12yr
Whisky 2: Talisker “Dark Storm”
Whisky 3: Bruichladdich “Port Charlotte”
Further updates as the situation warrants.
That sounds like the right order. You want to go from lighter to heavier whiskies (and beer) when doing a tasting.
The problem with choosing the Dark Storm by itself in the middle is that it’s so similar to the Talisker 10 year that if you approach it without the Talisker experience fresh in your mind, it just tasted delicious, not delicious but different than the 10 year.
Obviously I should have had the four lined up. But i’m also out of the 10 year at the moment.
Glenlivet is some damn good scotch.
On my wedding day my grandmother strolled into the gents waiting room, handed me a bottle of Glenlivet 12, and said, “This’ll help.”
smart woman.
It is a very easy to drink scotch, while also being worth drinking.
I don’t consistently find new and interesting things in it. It (and imo most speysides) are kind of shallow that way.
I don’t navel gaze over my beverages. If it tastes good and makes my knees stop hurting I buy it again when the bottle runs out. In that regard I usually have a bottle of Glenlivet or something equivalent on hand when I’m feeling Ron Burgundy..ey.
I do navel gaze over my beverages. Or at least ponder what I am tasting. There are plenty of ways to get snockered if that’s all I want. For the money, I want the drink to be not just good tasting, but interesting.
Pop…whoosh…aaah!
That’s some wreck the hoose joose right there.
“A can of Scotch in one hand, my TV remote in the other…uh-oh, now my balls itch.”
Wait, that should be “pop, whoosh, ahhhh.”
Single… grain?
Oh my.
*belch*
So you’re going to be posting drunk?
Woo-hoo!
Also, two actual newsworthy posts in one day?
TOS must be shattin in their pantaloons right about now.
They don’t wear pantaloons. It impedes the ass sex.
I know we’re in for a fairly wild ride, but so long as the Dems are into #Resistance, he won’t want to make deals with them.
If the Dems seriously offered him some deals, he might find the temptation too powerful to resist, and might make some kind of horrible bipartisan agreement. Athough I’ll give him this much – he’d demand something concrete in exchange for concessions to Dems, he wouldn’t just give them the store like Bush I.
So he would only cut deals with the dems if (1) they actually want to deal with him and (2) they’re willing to give him concessions which would help him. So far, thank goodness, neither condition seems to obtain, so by default Trump is stuck with the conservatives as allies. The conservatives are willing to lend their support knowing that he’s not one of them.
So far it’s like Nixon. Hopefully he won’t screw up like Nixon.
The problem is that the conservatives aren’t being very good allies. The Obamacare repeal should have been a no look behind the back alley oop slam dunk and look how it turned out. Once that went the way it did I lost all hope of anything significant happening in the near future.
Illustrating why there isn’t a conservative President in the White House.
The same group of Senators that had distaste for him last year and campaigned against him (McCain, Graham, and Murkowski) are the same ones that have caused the gridlock the entire presidency. These are not conservatives, these are RINOs.
Conservatives have been trying to ally with him. The RINO Establishment has been fighting him like they’ve been doing from the moment that he was nominated.
^^This^^
The conservatives in the GOP don’t have the power to set the agenda. Hopefully a bunch of them get primaried next year and conservatives do well in the open primaries for all those Dem seats that are coming open.
God, imagine how nice it would be to hear an interviewer as “Majority Leader Paul” a question.
They will almost undoubtedly get a real conservative in MO next year, whether it is Petersen or Hawley (hopefully Petersen). The frontrunner in MT, Rosendale, is also far more libertarian than the average Senator.
And then there’s Ted Cruz, who a lot of people ‘think’ is a conservative. He’s as big of an establishment jackass as McCain and Rubio, a trio who are right now trying to concoct up another liberty killing ‘anti-sex trafficking’ bill, which is mostly about killing free speech on the internet.
Cruz is a conservative based on pure voting record, but he’s smarmy AF and sometimes supports statist bills like the one mentioned above that make me go “Are you serious? Grrr…”
The lulz alone have made the Trumpening worth it. “You’re fake news.” I still laugh.
At this point Trump could start the purge by executive order and I still won’t hate him just for the entertainment value in the last 12 months.
In 100 years, if, God forbid, kids sitting in government schools read about a candidate that was almost sunk by a “I grabbem by the pussy” bombshell.
It’ll be hard to run in the future. Google has every search I’ve ever made. I know there has to be something bad in that list.
President Google. You won’t have to file taxes or be bothered with a trial. The ultimate overlord. Unless we have another unibomber ready to gallop into D.C. from his isolated cabin in Montana or Idaho.
My wife once said to me “Why do people say something’s against the Constitution? So what if it’s against the Constitution, it’s just a piece of paper.”
I think this displays a not uncommon attitude towards government.
This is much more truthful than even she probably realises. A right is only a right if you can enforce it. If no one believes it’s a right it doesn’t matter how many signed pieces of paper say it.
I always try to explain to people that the reason we have this foundational document that you’re not supposed to violate under any circumstances is because “the people” are often totally cool with taking rights away from other people. A good example is the public hysteria that occurs after a severe attack. Someone showed me a poll from 1942 that showed a high degree of public support for interning Japanese-Americans, and a small but noteworthy percentage even supported “extermination”. We saw the same thing after 9/11.
The Constitution lists rights that are supposed to protect against this kind of hasty action, and it’s the job of the voters to boot out any candidate who shows disregard for Constitutional principles. Unfortunately, statists have been successful in convincing people that the Constitution is “just a piece of paper” and “not a suicide pact”. This has resulted in a political climate where most politicians wipe their ass with the Constitution until its principles align with something they like, but they kick it back to the curb as soon as they’re done with it.
You don’t even have to show the reasoning of a republic over a democracy to follow the constitution. In fact I think that’s the wrong approach. Ignoring the Constitution does not mean that democracy defaults, even though I think people believe that because I don’t think they can conceive of unstructured government v
It’s an axiom the government is built on. If it can be ignored you don’t end up with democracy, you could get anything. The Presideny can dissolve congress, or elections. Once you throw that document out nothing at all has to be followed.
So true. The shitstain mayor of Philadelphia, a huge Hillary and Obama fan, is quoted in a current magazine that “I have real concern about the Constitution and the future of our country.”
totally OT, Sig’s P320 has failed a drop test.
Posted in links, but figure more people are in here at this point.
Yeah, that’s been blowing up on gun blogs. The big point is that this test was done greatly in excess of SAAMI drop test guidelines, and it will only go off if dropped at a very specific angle.
They use a primed striker, right?
Not that. SAAMI guidelines specify a specific height onto a specific type of rubber mat, and these tests were done at I believe twice the height onto bare concrete.
Hm. I’m now curious how many other guns might fail this kind of drop.
Someone else mentioned that, and in order to be fair you would have to put at least 3 copies of every major brand name through the same tests.
Sounds like a new trigger will take care of it. I have no plans to buy a 320 even though I like the design, but if I did, this wouldn’t stop me.
Yeah, I still think I’d get one.
didn’t the army just order like a million of those?
Thought it was a different model, but you may be right.
OT:
Do you guys believe that different kinds of alcohol get you different kinds of drunk? (e.g. “tequila makes me angry”, “rum makes me depressed”, etc.).
I’ve heard countless people say this, but I just don’t believe it. It’s all just ethanol. Unless there’s some mood-altering ingredient that only occurs in tequila or rum or whatever, I don’t see how a particular variety of booze would cause you to feel a certain way.
If someone does in fact consistently go into a certain mood when they drink a specific kind of alcoholic beverage, I would guess that it’s either a placebo effect or something else about the situation that makes them act that way (e.g. tequila is usually consumed in Mexican restaurants, they tend to be very loud and festive, which encourages people to act rowdy, then they think “oh gosh, tequila makes me act rowdy”).
Any thoughts?
I suspect it’s BS. Every alcohol makes me a happy drunk. (Not to mention a handsome, funny drunk.)
I think that’s about right. I don’t think it’s a constant thing. I would say atmosphere is more important, and people drink different things in those environments.
My girlfriend gets statistically hornier if she drinks dark liquors versus clear ones like vodka or gin. I need to do a controlled test using identical brands of blanco and reposado tequilas along with my penis before I can make a definitive statement.
Well, then. You know what to do. The first sentence is all that’s required. Leave it at that. Women cannot be figured out with any amount of experiments because there’s no definitive state of woman, it’s just a quantum state of flux and chaos. So don’t risk it and ride the flow while it lasts. You’ve been warned.
A controlled test would mean changing not the booze, but the gal.
I need to do a controlled test using identical
brands of blanco and reposado tequilastwinsFIFY!
1. Context is most important.
2. #1 notwithstanding, I have a great deal of difficulty believing in the single active ingredient hypothesis of most recreational drugs. For example, the “active ingredient” in coffee is caffeine, but different coffees have different psychological effects in me regardless of the amount consumed. Some coffee consistently causes a euphoric effect in me. If that were just the result of a higher caffeine level, I could duplicate the effect by consuming more of the non-psychoactive coffee. But I can’t. I just get jittery. Likewise marijuana. Some strains makes me just kind of tired, others alter my perception radically but supposedly it’s all THC. I call bullshit.
3. Notwithstanding #2, some spirits seem more likely to have undocumented active ingredients than others. Vodka is just ethanol, by nature of the distillation process. Irish whiskey is triple-distilled and at higher temperatures so it’s fairly similar to wood-aged vodka. Bourbon has much less of the original mash distilled out of it, but it’s not known for having any secondary effects. I don’t know enough about tequila. Does pulque also have supposed secondary effects?
Your comment on pot does bring up a good counter.
Tequila certainly has a different effect on my personality. That may be due to the lines of coke that seem to magically appear once we start drinking it.
110% sure of it. Lately I’ve favored bourbon/whiskey/scotch. Which always has given me a pleasant buzz. Overall, my favs have really always been beer or gin and vodka. Beer and Vodka give me the most pleasant euphoric feeling. Wine does nothing to me, not as far as an alcohol buzz is concerned. If I drink enough of it it makes me slightly sleepy feeling and with a lot more, a headache, that’s it. But all alcohol affects me in a slightly different way, except for wine which will never give me any type of alcohol buzz at all. I know that seems strange, but it’s true.
Oh yeah, and tequila, that’s an entirely different thing, I almost never drink it because I get completely trashed and it doesn’t even feel exactly like an alcohol buzz.
Ask Jesse
Heh.
*silently places rum bottle within reach*
Do you guys believe that different kinds of alcohol get you different kinds of drunk?
I used to believe that in my younger days. It all has to do with quantity consumed. And the other factors that contribute to or effect the drinking occasion. People only feel such and such got me drunker #Neverdrinktequilagain because they drank more than they should have. (been there). I agree. It is a frame of mind and surroundings. That and armature drinkers. It takes practice. Like masturbating and parallel parking.
I always have trouble masturbating and parallel parking. Maybe I should buy an automatic transmission.
“It takes practice. Like masturbating and parallel parking.”
Only if you have a manual transmission.
Someone didn’t refresh.
Who masturbates while parallel parking? If you don’t have someone willing to help you out that’s just sad.
I don’t have doors on my truck.
Forget one comma and people make fun of you.
Like masturbating, and parallel parking.
Happy now?
People haven’t even started on the armature.
That one was on purpose.
Good example of why commas matter for my next legal writing class. Thanks.
I’ve always felt like that was true. Rum more of a mellow buzz, Gin more of a pick me up buzz.
absolutely.
whiskey makes people mean.
tequila makes people goofy (then sick)
vodka / gin / white spirits i find tend to be the most neutral (probably just completely contrived in my mind, but i do think vodka drunks are like the opposite of whiskey-drunks. they involve hugging people and saying what great friends you are. whiskey involves waking up and wondering why you’re bloody and sore)
**i’m not sure that i 100% believe this to be true for everyone, but i think its something i’ve observed for myself and i think its probably entirely psychosomatic.
Hey, you guys think I can jump all the way down these stairs and land on my side?
Different whiskeys also seem to have different effects:
Scotch – mellow happy buzz
Irish – rowdy and loud singing
Bourbon – blackouts, bandages, and bruises. And waking up under fat chicks on their period.
yes, my mention of whiskey was actually 100% bourbon.
i do not get into fights, but the only times i have? lots of bourbon. and blackouts and broken hands.
I have not really ever been a scotch drinker nor ever gotten properly besotted on scotch alone.
I’ve lost fights with stairs after too much bourbon.
I’ve gotten in fights, but the last time I swung a punch I was like 10. Fights end quick when you’re a big guy who after the first punch stands there and says, ‘Ok, now walk away or it’s my turn”
Whiskey is my pontifidrinking choice
Gin makes me squirrelly as fuck
Beer makes me mellow
Two thoughts:
It’s not just alcohol. There’s other chemicals in there, too, that vary by type of booze.
Setting and expectations change your experience. If your experience changes, it changes.
Trump is most definitely not libertarian. But he does some stuff that a libertarian would do. Trump is just doing it for different reasons. More than likely because he’s a business man and he’s probably ran into a lot of government assholes who he is not overly fond of and here’s his chance to kick them in the nuts a little. So anything he does that libertarians like, he’s not doing it AS a libertarian. But I’ll still take it. Overall so far, I think he’s the most libertarian president of my lifetime just because of his anti-regulatory stance. And then there’s Jeff Sessions. We may all hate him before it’s over, but at the moment I’m still giving him the thumbs up. Oh, and did I mention that he trolls the hell out of the leftist media?
Ok, here’s the skinny:
I’m not sure there’s a way to resolve the problem. It is correct to state that nobody is going to come along and wave a magic wand to grant libertopia overnight.
HOWEVER
The alternative often proposed, to move incrementally by voting for the more liberty-friendly candidate, to me seems like simply an instruction to vote straight-ticket republican every time. In any given major election in America at this time, there are, realistically, only two candidates who might win (a dem or a rep). And even if it’s by 1%, you’re always going to be able to make the case that the rep is more friendly to liberty.
THEREFORE
The reps would know that you’re always going to vote for them no matter what, and what incentive do they have to throw you any bones then? You’re just another captive voting block. The way people sneer when talking about black voting patterns, “Well what are they going to do, vote republican?” You’ll be getting that same sneer. Well so what if the libertarian-minded folk hate what the ever-so-slightly-less Big Government party is up to, what are they going to do? Vote democrat? Fuck’em.
And that’s why I don’t see any actual real solution. The problem isn’t the government. The problem is the people. They don’t want what we’re selling. And until and unless that changes, all we’re doing by adopting any sort of large-scale voting strategy is force-feeding each other dog shit.
Yep. It’s going to take an economic crash to even have the opportunity to change the minds of most people. As long as the government can pretend they have money, the public will pretend this can go on forever.
I think it hurts that libertarian-ish types are constantly screaming about the End of Days every time the fed prints money, and then nothing really that bad happens. It leads the public to not take fiscally conservative talk seriously.
A country as wealthy as we are, with the world’s reserve currency? We can run up debt the likes of which you can scarcely imagine before shit really hits the fan. Every time someone from Mises predicts HYPERINFLATION!!!, always and forever just around the corner, it makes those of us who actually do preach fiscal sanity look like idiots, because of guilt by association. Every major empire in history was able to cut it’s currency for centuries before finally succumbing. Why does anyone think we’ll be any different?
Course, that’s just my opinion. I could be wrong. It happened once before.
I know Bob Murphy has come out and admitted he was wrong about his inflation predictions. The thing is nobody can time it with any real precision. Still remains true that expanding the money supply puts upward pressure on prices. You could just have less deflation in prices than you would otherwise. The debt levels, local and national, are skyrocketing. Something has to give.
I agree.
The thing is, I think the timeline for something to give is more along the lines of being measured in several more generations, at the very earliest, and several more centuries, at the most optimistic.
You’re quite right when you can say that it can’t be timed with any real precision – which is why people in the fiscal sanity crowd should shut the fuck up and stop claiming that they CAN predict it, and it’s COMING FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE!!!
Greenspan came out last week and said the bond bubble is about to burst. There’s evidence that when an inversion occurs where long term rates are lower than short term rates, a bursting is coming soon to a bond market near you. It’s something you can use for timing.
This would be a good time to clarify, when I talk about “something giving”, I don’t mean, recession and some people’s 401ks take a hit, or a few cities go bankrupt and the 5% of their population drawing a pension has to take a haircut. People weather that crap all the time without ever changing their opinions. I’m only talking about things that actually threaten the very structure of society, because I don’t think anything changes (for good OR for ill, to Sloopy’s concern below) short of a scenario like that.
I mean, look at it this way: it took the Great Depression to give us the New Deal, know what I’m saying?
The Lehman shock should’ve opened some eyes. Instead we get Dodd Frank. I think it’s likely we get something worse than ’07~’08 relatively soon. Full societal breakdown? Nah. Probably some new bogeyman to go to war. Iran? Norks?
An economic crash will result in an expanded safety net/welfare state. So that is out.
Remember the dot.com boom and how it allowed the OG tea partiers to force Clinton into rolling back welfare? It needs to happen in times of prosperity. And part of it can be driven by pushing back a bit on illegal immigration. Because this admin or even a libertarian congressman or senator, if they’re smart, will offer a compromise: increased immigration of unskilled people in exchange for a severe and permanent curtailment of the welfare state.
Times are pretty decent, aside from Obamacare fouling up things for some people. The time is ripe for paring back leviathan. Trump is already taking baby steps in that direction. We will see if it works out in the long run but so far it seems to be working out better than anybody since Coolidge.
Is there a concrete list of regulations that have actually been repealed?
Not promises or empty EOs, actual honest-to-god rules that have been stricken from the books.
No snark, I’m genuinely curious.
still digging
That’s a good, solid link. In so far as this continues, I will loudly support the Trump administration in this endeavor, while continuing to loudly denounce it when appropriate.
The link in the text wasn’t what I was hoping, but is also good. Id like to find a breakdown that has each agency and what they have removed.
I’m digging through some gov sites, but they are confusing as fuck.
That is the one I speak of below. Good to see he killed a bunch of proposed regs though.
One off the top of my head was an EPA rule, and the DC court said the EPA can’t do that cuz it was on the books from his holiness Barack and the EPA does not have the authority to further review a rule the EPA made that is on the books. H/T Pomp
I don’t know of any that they have actually been removed. But I have hope. Trump is crazy enough to fight them on that shit. A normal person would say, ahh, ok we tried. shucks.
Here’s one from a hundred days ago:
http://dailysignal.com/2017/04/23/11-ways-trump-has-rolled-back-government-regulations-in-his-first-100-days/
That’s why I vote Libertarian. You want my vote, move my direction. If one of the parties does move my direction with a real liberty loving candidate like Paul then I’ll vote for him. I certainly don’t see Trump moving that far in a Libertarian direction but if he does, I’ll vote for him, even though I think he’s an ahole.
Absofuckinglutely, Gojira!
You won’t get liberty until people want/demand it. Sadly, I don’t see that happening anytime soon.
The humor value alone makes Trump a great president. His policies? Meh it’s nice that he’s slightly less statist than the other candidate. I think that will go back to “normal” when they elect one of the establishment members in the next election. It is going to take an enormous culture change to get some Libertarian policies that stick. I’ll just sit back and enjoy watching both sides work themselves into a frenzy for the next 4 years.
So what should happen to the Libertarian Party? I think Nolan and the other founders saw an opportunity for libertarian ideas to begin to be discussed in the wider public because a political party had access to debates, media coverage, public forums, voters guides and all the other special ways that candidates for office are treated vs. how a couple thousand people in a national
supper club/newsletter generator/debate club were treated. Several problems arose: debates were closed to candidates who “didn’t have a chance to win;” money is the mother’s milk of
politics and Libertarians couldn’t raise enough to cut through the clutter bombarding the average voter; votes are counted, not weighed, so getting less than 2% in election after election counted more than amazing the voters with the purity of our logic or the fineness of our moral argument; and most Libertarians started to talk about pie-in-the-sky “What I will do when elected” rather than “Here’s the common sense solution to the issue(s) everyone is concerned about in this constituency.” Talk about privatizing the roads or lighthouses and you’ll be branded a nut by the general public. Talk about “smaller government” and the hard-core Libertarians revolt against your campaign. Where is the path forward for the LP? Or isn’t there?
I think the path is to nominate someone for federal positions that is more right-libertarian and that may even be the nominee of another party (shared affiliations like some states allow). It would get a big L next to their name, which would give the party some positives to point to and to say “we are willing to compromise with others that share most of our ideals and are abandoning our earlier policy of you’re 100% in lockstep or you’re against us”.
It also wouldn’t hurt if they acknowledged that there are a lot of Christian/Jewish libertarians, pro-life libertarians (including many atheists) and others that are personally conservative but tolerant of other views. Mocking religious people in general does the party a disservice and eliminates a lot of natural allies.
The Libertarian Party should be drowned in the bathtub but it’s too unimportant to bother.
Hey now. There’s still some libertarian political operatives who make a bit of extra scratch through the LP.
Hmm.. I always thought that libertarians were more likely to be religious; I always felt like kind of an outlier as a non-religious person.
But yes, making our tent smaller is not a wise move at all. Something we should really be pushing is the fact that our ideology would give both religious and non-religious people what they want: religious people could perform weddings and bake cakes for whomever they choose, and non-religious people could eschew their business and go get their officiants and cakes from other providers.
A complete deregulation of marriage (except as a private contract) would also mitigate the dispute over marriage. Churches could approve or disapprove of whatever marriages they want, and atheist couples could go get married by whatever organization they choose.
Sloopy, the “willing to compromise” would lead to a real split in the Party, but that might be inevitable anyway (or whole thing goes back to 5,000 members fighting over who is the biggest frog in the tiny pond. While some libertarians mock religious people, I don’t think that’s been a widespread practice of Libertarian candidates or the Party.
I just wanted to say really nice article Sloopy. I can’t say I disagree with anything you wrote.
I didn’t vote for the guy, but he has greatly exceeded my expectations. I am waiting for a huge fuck-up but so far haven’t seen it. Maybe Sessions, but like you say, the drug war is the current law. We don’t need bureaucrats ignoring the law, we need the laws changed.
Anyway, great job.
Thanks. I know it’s not in lockstep with anyone here, but I thought a defense of the results of the Trump presidency, and not a defense of the man himself, was in order.
I’m pretty much where you are. So you should probably rethink.
Attractive woman playing the bass
*there are videos where she is hotter, but … jaco tune
**also, i’ve never before seen a woman make ‘stank face’ when playing funky lines. A first for me.
Thank you for a nice finish to my night Gilmore. I am a sucker for female bass players. My favorite is Melissa Auf der Maur
it is v. sexy for some weird reason. guitar, not at all, but bass brings out something.
Damn! for a number of reasons.
Tal Wilkenfeld seems to have “stank face” all the time when she plays. This probably isn’t one of the better examples. I just like this song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0G_fcfajDA
yes indeed
its a very bass-player expression. Guitar players vary more, but tend to share this sort of goofy, mouth open, vacuous expression, like they’ve just squeezed out a dump, punctuated by short bursts of “ouch”, like someone dropped a cinderblock on their pinkytoe
Oh, and since we’re about to start the season:
Go Pats!
hey where are we on a fantasy league?
Email me. We will have it finalized tomorrow.
Google manifesto author fired.
Shouldn’t have happened but absolutely no surprise there.
actual statement by VP of ‘diversity and inclusion’. I think the lesson here is ‘ignore what we say, watch what we do’
”building an open, inclusive environment means fostering a culture in which those with GOODFACTS, including different RIGHTTHINK, feel safe sharing their opinions but not TRUEFACTS.”
They make it sound like the guy said women couldn’t do the job as well as men, when he quite clearly made generalizations separate from his feeling that people of any background/type *could* do the job. *facepalm*
Double facepalm.
Yeah, ‘diversity’ totally isn’t a code word for anti white-male bias. Right-o.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/on-leadership/wp/2017/08/07/a-googlers-manifesto-is-the-hr-departments-worst-nightmare/?utm_term=.1272d32ec3f6
I like how they quote one sociologist on the subject, basically just advancing her subject argument as fact.
Based on the actual definition of the words involved, there’s no misunderstanding. It is by definition a form of discrimination even if you want to argue the cause is just or that it’s countering discrimination already in place.
Yes, everyone should now be clear about what is being argued on both sides.
Them: Diversity and rainbows for all.
White Guys: Huh, this isn’t really working for us. I have no problem with a lot of my colleagues, but you seem to be introducing different standards for different people, which goes against the concept of egalitarianism (and is counter to the prevailing law). Maybe you only have to do these policies because not everyone is identical- otherwise what would diversity really mean?
Them: Diversity is when there are fewer whites and fewer males. You have wrongthink and this will help us reach our next set of quotas, you’re fired.
IMO, this is a nontrivial reason why the alt-right exists. I am an individualist, but when assailed publicly by the force of government and private entities, I’m not sure that tribalism isn’t the best defense.
[i]But “to suggest a group of our colleagues have traits that make them less biologically suited to that work is offensive and not OK. It is contrary to our basic values and our Code of Conduct.”[/i]
So science deniers?
lord I suck at wordpress.
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The worst part about it was that he was trying to discuss ways in which he and other more technical “Thing” related people (both male and female) could work with the “People” relating co-workers to help them grow in the technical side. He suggested team coding where it makes sense, and developing projects alongside people from the administrative side of things within his 10 page manifesto. He was pointing out general population weaknesses (reasons Google may have trouble finding women interested in working in the technical side of Google), and saying that if someone is still interested, and can be trained, they should be allowed to develop, rather than need to be full fledged awesome super coder right off the bat.
Ahhahahahahah!
Surprised it took this long. Poor sap, I hope he knew what he was doing when he penned that.
From what he wrote, he seemed like a smartie, so he should have easily foreseen this.
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Anyone have a better search engine I should use?
DuckDuckGo.
Will try using that from now on.
I was looking for more information on this and stumbled upon CNN which I don’t usually watch or read.
It’s hard not to conclude, at this point, that both CNN and Google have fully subsumed to the oppression cult.
Watch the video. They talk about the guy with utter contempt, misrepresent what he said, and in the end, shrug it off like “I guess we can talk about it”. They never quoted or accurately paraphrased what was in the manifesto the entire segment, probably because they hold the same fear that the ideas are dangerous to the advancement of their worldview.
Couldn’t make it past the first few lines due to the massive misrepresentation of what he said. Though knowing it ruined their asshole CEO’s vacation makes me happy.
every article i’ve seen refers to the memo as a “screed” which was “divisive” and “set off a firestorm”, etc. when what i read came across as eminently measured and thoughtful, if not ‘tactful’ by modern corporate standards.
compared to the shit SJW’s tweet daily, it was outright boring.
BTW, guys. You have to be the one to change minds. Favorable circumstances will help, but it’s up to us in the end. Once more into the breech!
Dang you people for not vetting your links! The Case of the Keistered Cow Eyeballs was a hoax!
http://1075zoofm.com/man-found-with-30-cow-eyeballs-in-his-butt-is-a-hoax/
That’s what I thought when I couldn’t find that story on any other news website.
[hangs head in shame. slinks away]
“His statement about “roughing up” suspects is problematic to say the least. And I can only hope it was hollow bluster. ”
That didn’t concern me in the slightest. Trump knows how to play a room and doesn’t give a crap about pearl clutchers. His audience found it funny, and that’s who the joke was intended for.
this is just too awesome not to put here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OMHIrKaB1I
It’s a crab waving a knife around with a soundtrack of taunts and dramatic music from Elder Scrolls.
somewhere there is an sjw reporting that person to twitter for animal abuse
Not as impressive as a monkey with a knife, apposable thumbs and all.
Crabs with knives must be the new “pug bowling” because that’s a different crab with a knife than I was expecting!
The Google employee who wrote the anti-diversity manifesto was fired after CEO Sundar Pichai called it ‘Not OK’
http://www.businessinsider.com/google-sundar-pichai-anti-diversity-manifesto-fired-2017-8
***
First, let me say that we strongly support the right of Googlers to express themselves, and much of what was in that memo is fair to debate, regardless of whether a vast majority of Googlers disagree with it. However, portions of the memo violate our Code of Conduct and cross the line by advancing harmful gender stereotypes in our workplace. Our job is to build great products for users that make a difference in their lives. To suggest a group of our colleagues have traits that make them less biologically suited to that work is offensive and not OK. It is contrary to our basic values and our Code of Conduct, which expects “each Googler to do their utmost to create a workplace culture that is free of harassment, intimidation, bias and unlawful discrimination.”
The memo has clearly impacted our co-workers, some of whom are hurting and feel judged based on their gender. Our co-workers shouldn’t have to worry that each time they open their mouths to speak in a meeting, they have to prove that they are not like the memo states, being “agreeable” rather than “assertive,” showing a “lower stress tolerance,” or being “neurotic.”
***
[head desk]
Given the “at-will” employment laws, is there any legal recourse for this guy? I’m guessing Google paid out a substantial severance package. As a corporate drone in the Valley, I’m curious what other companies will do to keep this kind of thing from happening in their shops.
I feel a plan is fomenting.
Fired because of his personal opinion.
Nice.
Given the creepy cultish nature of progs this comes as no surprise.
Ugh, internet was out for like 8hrs, had things to say, they are now dust in the wi….no that’s cliche, Dust for Life.
“The Trump era is returning us to an ideal the founders embraced in that respect.”
We need to start planning a Trump memorial.
Maybe a giant gold statue of the Donald right in the middle of the reflecting pool – with him pissing onto a mini-capitol building?
Or make it big enough to be pissing on the full-sized Capitol.
“And yes, Trump is allowing Jeff Sessions to wage the drug war, which is a sticking point to a lot of libertarian minds. ”
No. Shit.
Good article Ken. A bullseye as usual.
My day is starting out great. I’m supposed to be flying today and my flight has been delayed at least 3:30 hours already. I’m supposed to be in the air now. At least I’m still at home and not waiting at the airport.
Are you flying from a smallish airport?
I’ve found airlines do this constantly. My favorite was when they cancelled my early flight to put me on a plane which was going to be more full. The next flight was already fully booked, so I took the one after that. Waited about 5 hours (this was a connecting flight), and was too annoyed about security to want to leave and come back.
Smallish (Dayton, Ohio). Called up the airline to see what the problem was and found out it was (originally) weather from the originating airport yesterday. Now they’ve run into crew rest issues.
Other problem is I’m meeting somebody at my destination and they may end up beating me to the airport. I have the rental car.