Well…what a weekend. I won’t go into the events in Charlottesville other than to condemn anyone that would initiate violence against someone else. I know the comments will wade into it on their own, and I already stated my views many times over the weekend on a few various threads. So have at it. There’s enough other stuff out there for me to touch on.
Its hard for me to talk about preseason football, at least until the starters are playing significant minutes. Hell, to be honest I haven’t watched a minute of preseason NFL coverage and really don’t know much of what’s going on. That keeps me from dealing with retarded shit like “who is standing for an anthem” and “who is racist for not hiring this guy” and “this start RB got suspended for associating himself with a gold digger that even the police think has no credibility whatsoever”. Its not worth my time until next week at least. Sorry, but expect an update then. As for college, the Gators suspend 7 for the opener in less than two weeks against TTUN, including arguably their best player.
As for baseball, the Astros finally for off the mat yesterday. They were given a standing 8 count and were told by the referee that they’d be closely watched for the next couple of weeks. Seriously, wtf? Their bats went to sleep, their pitching shit the bed, and their attitude seems to be nonchalance. Maybe they’re playing four, no five-dimensional chess with the rest of the league. Yeah, that’s it. Elsewhere, the Nats slip (lol, sorry) against the Giants twice in a twin-billing. Team Canada lost to the Yinzers, The Indians lost. The Twins won. The Rockies lost. The BIG RED MACHINE lost. The Cards, Orioles and Mariners lost while the Cubs, Dodgers and Red Sox won, the latter having beaten the dreaded Yankees. (Whew, its a mouthful when I cover everybody on here’s interests. But I get paid all this money to give you what you want.)
Meanwhile, the EPL got off to a fun start. The Coutinho deal is (maybe) back on, which sucks as bad as Liverpool played without him in the lineup. And Justin Thomas won an absolutely compelling PGA Championship that could have gone about 5 different ways until the last half hour. Those greens were way too fast for my tastes, but thats why these guys make the big bucks.
Alright, I better get on topic(s) before I lose the audience. So I give you…the links!
Con Artist
Al Gore’s encore tribute to PT Barnum hasn’t gone over too well. Maybe all those people that gave him money the first time were too busy seeing the egress.
Well look who likes capitalism after all. Hypocrite alert!
Crude prices going up. Which causes gas prices to follow.
Illinois Senate rejects amended school funding. Looks like all the money will head to the Chicago teachers union. I’m sure this will help the bond ratings agencies make their next informed decision.
I can fly, I can fly, I can flyyyyyyy!
I wouldn’t have expected this to end well.
This is what happens when people ignore signs saying you must me this tall for this ride. Yogi Bear wasn’t lying, sir.
I just realized after several months that I’ve yet to play this guy.
Good luck out there today. And have faith that its not as bad as assholes would like you to believe.
“Do you have experience dealing with rape victims?”
“Absolutely”
“So tell me all about your traumatic experience…uh huh, uh, huh, excuse me I need to go and meditate on that in the bathroom…”
Is that from the Gore story?
STEVE SMITH APPLY FOR NEW JOB OPENING IN SF
STEVE SMITH SAY DO WHAT YOU LOVE, NEVER WORK A DAY!
STEVE SMITH APPLY HIMSELF TO MANY OPENINGS.
STEVE SMITH APPLY HIMSELF TO
MANYEVERY OPENINGSHe just has a wandering eye.
*narrows gaze*
“Well look who likes capitalism after all. Hypocrite alert!”
I don’t know who said this first, but…when conservatives violate their own principles they harm themselves and/or their families.
When progressives violate their own principles they get richer, their kids get better educated, etc.
Their only principle is not having principles.
They do have them some standards however, even if the standard they have is a double standard…
The original progressives loved them some business, preferably the more effective monopoly kind.
That said, Warren sort of claims to be a socialist, and we all know socialism is mainly for the little people.
Interesting times …
Wasn’t that a curse?
Even then, wouldn’t that curse the curser to live in interesting times too? (Unless it was a deathbed curse or somesuch, but in those cases you needn’t be so polite)
Damn!
Wait, Tom Cruise does his own stunts?
I thought only Jackie Chan did that. And half the fun of a Jackie Chan movie is the outtakes at the end showing him injuring himself while doing stunts.
They can’t find stunt people small enough who don’t have the body proportions of dwarfs.
Women look too buff.
Who’s the dwarf, Chan or Cruise?
And the plural is “dwarves.”
Cruise.
And both plurals are valid.
I’m just messing with ya, as a Tolkien fan.
This dwarf dwarfs those dwarves.
Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo.
Bear is hungry, we get it!
Charger charger charged charged charger charged.
Buster Keaton’s claim to fame was doing all his own stunts. He even broke his neck while working on a movie, but it wasn’t discovered that he did so until years later when his doctor was looking at some xrays.
There’s a story about the Three Stooges demanding stunt doubles for their pro football short “Three Little Pigskins”, which had the doubles suffer multiple injuries like broken bones and cracked ribs
The making of ghost protocol and the airplane stunt is pretty cool. How the production gets insured with him doing that, i have no idea, but yes, Cruise does [many, not all] of his own.
Cruise did his own stunts on the outside of the Burj Khalifa.
No.
Fucking.
Way.
I had the Blu-ray from the library. The outtakes and commentary was truly horrifying.
At one point they were taking a break and setting up for the next shot on the 100th+ floor – and Tom Cruise walked by on the outside of the building. They had forgotten he was out there.
Well, to be fair, he is pretty forgettable.
He should know he is paid too much for stunt work.
I find the timing of this little TMZ Cruise snippet veddy interesting.
Cruise is pretty boss.
Shows up, works his ass off, does his stunts, and makes people money (most of the time.)
Yep. Despite his weird religion, Cruise’s reputation is one of tremendous professionalism and integrity. Word is he treats everyone, from lowly PA to producer, with the same courtesy and respect.
C’ville conpiracy theory: https://imgur.com/a/d3sFx.
Conspiracy, even
So, they found someone in Virginia who used to work for the government? Spooky!
No, no. They found “Mr Gilmore”, who “used to” work for the feds…
*looks around warily*
no relation.
But the license plate, maaan
I suspect they are some sort of vanity plates. GVF (initial? Fields is the last name of the owner) and they got them at the same time for both vehicles — conspiracy solved?
I could’ve been first but I read the lynx
Then you got high?
That’s how I start my libertarian morning
Do you end the day with Mexican ass sex?
Olé!
Stolen Russian S-200 Missile Explodes After Being Sold For Scrap
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-13/stolen-russian-s-200-missile-explodes-after-being-sold-scrap
several years ago, our scrap metal supplier was buying used shell casings from the army. Artillery mostly. At the scrap metal facility, one of the workers got into one that was not not decommissioned properly and was injured pretty badly. At my plant, they went out into our scrap yard and removed tons of scrap that we had bought from that supplier and contained shell casings.
link
http://phillipsmurrah.com/2009/04/lawsuit-filed-yaffe-blast/
Bomb technicians later found only one possibly live shell among the about 2,000 remaining at the site. Most of the shells were military practice rounds sold for scrap. According to authorities, all the shells were removed at Yaffe’s request
God bless the Russians and their ubiquitous dash cams.
Climate change movies are better suited to other platforms rather than the box office– HBO, Showtime, Amazon, Netflix
and Magic 8 balls.
You managed to get one to play “The Day After Tomorrow”?
Doubtful.
Ha!
Funny how he doesn’t consider that maybe all the failed predictions of doom from the first movie just might have something to do with the lack of interest in the sequel.
Wonder what he projected his box office take was going to be on this one.
All movies lose money – especially the biggest grossing blockbusters – Just ask the hollywood accountants.
PS, only ever accept gross points, never net points.
Don’t worry, once the corrected consensus numbers come out, his projections will match nicely.
Besides, Elon HYPERLOOOP!!!!! stole his thunder this time around. ManBearPig needs to productize.
Al Gore is one of the few people with less personal charisma than Rand Paul.
Gore *was* actually somewhat funny when he guest starred on Futurama.
Sequels are almost never as good as the original, and the original sucked.
Headdresses available?
Don’t be silly, they’re casino chips for $20.20 and $2,020
If you have enough wampum.
Someone needs to come up with a cartoon logo for her, like Chief Wahoo
Whats bullshit is that the website is set up so poorly, there’s not even a dollars to wampum exchange calculator. So she can’t even sell to her own people!
Had dinner with my dad and his wife last night. They said they’d seen it and were talking about how wonderful it was and yadda yadda… I kind of tuned out.
So they’re big fantasy buffs?
If only.
Who doesn’t like mindless disaster movies.
That one where Woody from Cheers gets flattened by Yellowstone Park! Great!
That movie was Fun! ridiculous but fun
“An Inconvenient Sequel” sounds stupid. He should’ve gone with “Forget What I said Last Summer”.
Are they retarded?
My father’s donated to Debbie Wasserman Schultz’s campaigns several times, so you can make your own decision there.
(I’ve mentioned before where he said that Paul Krugman should’ve been Obama’s Secretary of the Treasury)
Try telling her you are going to vote for her opponent. “I won’t vote for my guy if you don’t vote for yours. That our non votes count the same as if we really had voted and we can save our time.” Works really well if you were planning on just getting drunk alone on election day.
Jesus. Well good on you for marrying into such a family. I can only hope your charitable work of extracting their daughter from such a singularity of derp is rewarded in the sweet by and by.
Marrying into? No. This is my father and his wife (we’ve agreed not to call her my stepmom). My father-in-law has far more sense than that.
He’s from Ohio…. Its like Kentucky but not as pretty.
I’d check the house for mold, maybe some mind-altering gas leakage, something like that.
Set the TV to block CNN as well.
To change subjects completely, the actress who played the stepmother in the Bill & Ted movies is now 58.
And she has PhD, so it’s *Doctor* Missy to you.
http://www.hark.com/clips/ymflhbnggx-excellent-with-guitar
Here she is in 2013.
Excellent! Way to go doctoral babe.
“Theatre History, Theory, and Criticism” So, pretty much a cereal box degree.
Bill & Ted are 52 and 53.
Hmmm….
Your dad isnt Joel Hodgson, is he?
Did you ask them why they would take it seriously given all the massive failures of the predictions from the first movie?
Because THIS TIME…
Some whiny news dweeb was on Bloomberg a few minutes ago, saying every right-thinking person in the universe is outraged by Pubic Enemy Number One’s refusal to call that clusterfuck in Virginny “domestic terrorism” WHICH IT CLEARLY IS.
One more High Crime for the list.
It was workplace violence.
The VA dems are wasting no time trying to tie the domestic terrorism to VA 2nd A groups either. I received this yesterday in an update from the head of the VCDL, our state guns rights group (which is top-knotch):
Uh, dude’s from Ohio. Why would he be a VCDL member?
Of course they would shit themselves if he called antifa and BLM domestic terrorism.
What’s the Glibs’ opinion on this? Was it actually “terrorism”? I saw two groups going to Charlottesville looking for a fight. I have a tough time calling this terrorism without knowing whether or not this guy actually planned to do it before he got there.
I have yet to hear the evidence that this was intentional, let alone pre-meditated.
Admittedly, this could be because there is nothing but a torrent of fragmentory and contradictory reporting flooding the internet, but that just means I can’t be sure.
C’mon, Dude. Just find a site that confirms what you want to be true. It’ll make you feel good and, besides, everybody’s doing it.
I don’t think the guy set out to kill people with his car. Based on the charges brought down, neither do the police. It may be a deal like Trayvon Martin where the guy made a mistake — perhaps even engaging in shouting with people walking down the street — someone appears to hit his car with something, he taps his brakes a couple of times, and then takes off. Bad decision? For sure. Could have been averted? Absolutely. Terrorism? Probably not. Had he not done so, we probably would be getting 2nd hand reports about Antifa trashing some guy’s car, but probably not injuries and almost certainly not fatalities.
And I want to echo P. Brooks in saying that just because I think all parties were being stupid, I don’t think anyone deserved to be injured or killed.
Not terrorism. It was the Crips and the Bloods.
Who knows at this point. There are reports they were throwing rocks at his car. Reports that people were beating on his car. I looked at a pic of the car right before it went into the crowd. The pic on the Daily Mail story. It is hard to tell, but it looks like there might be damage to the back window on the passenger side. It could be just a really bad case of road rage and dude snapped. Who knows.
Or perhaps he feared for his life and was trying to get away, if they were actually attacking his car and blocking the road.
Maybe. I have not seen video of any of that though. He had an open run for a few blocks up until he got to the crowd he plowed into from the video I have seen. He may have been fleeing another crowd. Who knows. It is all speculation at this point. I am reading stories (Breitbart so take that as you will) that the way the police funneled people the so called Nazis had to walk through crowds of Antifa anti-protest protesters just to get out of the park they were being ejected from. It sounds like most of the violence could have been avoided with some different police tactics.
I think you can accept that his car was attacked.
http://www.departmentofmemes.com/article/protesters-attacked-charlottesville-drivers-car-baseball-bat/
The source is the source. But the video doesn’t lie.
Ya, that does kind of make it clear they hit his car. Who knows what was going through his head. And as I said it is all speculation and just interesting conversation at this point. Can you imagine what would happen if they came out with “he was acting out of fear for his life so what he did might be justified”? The protestors would burn the city to the ground.
Unfortunately for the driver, even if he did not act out of malice, he will be sacrificed to the mob for political reasons.
“he was acting out of fear for his life so what he did might be justified”
That only works for cops.
“Unfortunately for the driver, even if he did not act out of malice, he will be sacrificed to the mob for political reasons.”
Exactly this.
Oh, yeah, at this point he could’ve had his dying grandmother in the back seat on the way to the emergency room and they’re going to have to hang him out to dry on this. Mind you, it does appear that there was some malice involved, but regardless of actual guilt his goose is thoroughly cooked.
So, what is the guy with the baseball bat going to be charged with?
Top speaker at the DNC convention?
1930s German Cosplay
Of course it’s not terrorism. The guy went there to engage in a shit show, just like the rest of the white supremacists, BLM, and antifa. Things got out of hand and someone got killed. It was inevitable and it’s going to get worse because the left and the media are trying to vilify one side while totally excusing the other. The result they want is to outlaw one side and totally turn loose the other to terrorize Trump supporters and other disfavored groups and suppress any reporting of it.
I’m preaching this to anyone who’ll listen. It’s really easy to just blame ugly racists for all of this but prior to Charlottesville all of the violence has either come from the Antifa people or been initiated by them. And there are actually people who haven’t even heard of them.
I don’t recall them being this breathless/excitable over the guy who shot 5 cops in Dallas.
I do remember hearing about how the policed used a robot to get him wasn’t fair or something.
HEY! ED-213 has much improved use of force protocols over previous versions!
Yeah, I’m no fan of the police, but that was a ridiculous argument. If the guy has a sniper rifle and has been popping people in the head, blow his ass up.
Ya. I was thinking about that this morning. Some comment somewhere making the tired claim that all the terrorism is from right wing groups. That triggered my memory of the BLM guy gunning down police. Several people throwing out McViegh and that it has been non stop terrorism from the right ever since. McVeigh was anti government, but I am not so sure he was all that right wing politically and or a white nationalist sort.
McVeigh was not a white supremacist. He probably leaned libertarian to be honest.
More of a UnaBomber type actually
Definitely this. One of McVeigh’s big grievances was that the US government was giving too much welfare to the wrong kinds of people…
Wasn’t there a Bernie supporter who took a couple of shots at some senators? Or do we not talk about that anymore?
That was self defense. Republicans were going to prevent him from getting health care.
I remember recently they called for calm and an end to the violence when some guy shot up a baseball field full of Republicans. Now all that is gone, I wonder why?
Jeff Sessions just did. Does that not count?
I like to tease Rufus about how overrated Springsteen is, but that is a flat-out great song.
Here’s another.
Similar feel from a later album: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXPRBKKsoIA
Bruce was a lot better before he crawled up into his own asshole.
He started going downhill after The River.
I do not like Springsteen. But I grew up in the 80s and by that time, he was so big that nobody was playing his older, better stuff anymore. So I grew up with him being a dickbag.
But I’m here to make the masses happy. I can’t just play what I want to play. I’m a people person, god dammit.
Same situation for me. However, I do really like his Seeger Sessions album. Fantastic.
Apparently my favorite Springsteen song. Didn’t even know it was his for quite some time.
I light of Charlottesville, I’ve heard a number of lefty acquaintances argue that the federal government needs to take an aggressive role in combatting the Nazis in our midst.
The House Unamerican Activities Committee was originally formed to root out Nazis.
Everything old is new again!
True. But, I’m looking forward to blacklisting some of my lefty friends.
/not really
With a little tweak in 2017. The House
UnAmerican Activities Committee.Nazis in the Mist
Dibs on the band name
A Pox on Your State
Normally that’s just a sign my war of extermination has made some gains in driving the furry horde back.
If only someone had posted this before. Maybe in the STEVE SMITH LINKS?
No such thing. There are only ever lynx weekday mornings at 8am One True Time Zone.
I’ll agree that there are only Morning Link threads on workdays. But other threads exist on the weekends and Wednesdays.
Even if these mythical lynx did exist, why would you expect everyone to have read everything that may or may not have been posted to the inconveniently and variably timed odd-hours posts?
Well, Sloopy gets all butt-hurt whenever someone links to something he linked to in a Morning Links thread, so I just thought that was what you’re supposed to do when someone posts a link you already posted. Don’t you even fake outrage, bruh?
I only get worked up if someone links to a story I linked to in those same links. I mean, at least glance at them for a second before you start posting just to be sure you’re not being redundant.
I don’t think butt-hurt is quite right. I don’t cat-ass anybody for it. More like perturbed.
Name them better than “Uhh, here’s another link”. If i have to mouse over the entire set of links to understand them, they’re going to get skipped, and I’ll just find out anything interesting about them down here.
Rich liberal college students in Minnesoda solve food desert problem.
The secret to sustainable is a) lots of volunteers, b) lack of regulation and c) a whole bunch of people who donate $10/mo to be part of the “buyer’s club”.
They’ve “Solved” a “Problem” that never existed. Someone give that man a Nobel Prize!
And then one of our genius proggies weighs in:
No, dumbfuck, a CSA is a market reality.
In this context, CSA means?
Confederate States of America?
dammit, I try to be helpful and lose on the joke.
Community Supported Agriculture or Confederate States of America. Either one works.
Basically a subscription service to buy directly from the farm. There are often weekly deliveries. I buy my eggs this way – more expensive, but awesome.
Still has fuckall to do with food deserts and market realities.
Thanks.
Community Supported Agriculture?
If they form a human pyramid, is that “Community Supported Architecture”?
*their values are the market reality.
Jesus christ, that’s nauseating. FTA:
“Experts”? No, they are busybody social engineers who don’t understand the first thing about economics. If poor people want produce there are plenty of markets.
These are the same idiots who protest and block Walmart, which supplies produce and other groceries at low prices.
But it’s evil walmart produce, not local, organic and artisinal produce!
The USDA definition of food desert is bullshit anyone. If you have a ton of corner groceries and bodegas and no mega-groceries, its considered a food desert.
Exactly. Besides, this is the Twin Cities. You can’t swing an organically grown bunch of kale without hitting a farmer’s market or co-op.
Agreed, the definition is insane. The area I’m in is considered a food desert. It’s a little different situation than an urban area but it’s utterly ridiculous. Within a 10 minute drive, I can purchase:
-Produce fresh off the farm at cheaper prices than in any grocery store
-Fresh eggs and chickens
-Any kind of livestock meat (usually grassfed and cheaper than select grade from the grocery store) if I’m willing to buy in bulk.
Clearly this wide availability of inexpensive and high quality food is a problem that needs to be urgently addressed with tax dollars, disruption, and increased regulation.
What if you have corner groceries, mega-groceries, and a farmer’s market?
Because that’s where I live, and the USDA considers my area a food desert.
Here’s the definition:
A mile? Are you shitting me? I haven’t lived within a mile of a supermarket or large grocery store in my entire life. And why is it only low-income areas that are considered food deserts? Wouldn’t it be anyone who is “too far” from a supermarket?
Low-income = no car, have to take the bus.
It reminds me of the ‘black people cant get ID’ canard. I dont remember which troll it was but some guy went into a black neighborhood and started asking the residents if they knew any black people who couldn’t get ID. They were insulted and got pretty pissed off pretty quickly.
I remember that video. Once again, the reality on the ground is waaaaaaaay different than what is presented in the media.
Look, if voting requires a valid ID, how do you expect dead people to vote?
Whenever I hear the “voter ID is racist” line, I like to say this:
“Yes, it’s racist to ask for an ID to vote. That’s why I also support eliminating the federal background check requirement for buying guns. After all, if you have to show an ID to get a gun, that’s tantamount to denying 2A rights to black people.”
Watch them twist themselves into a pretzel trying to explain why voter ID is racist but gun buyer ID is a wonderful idea.
I really want someone to do a followup on what happens to all that food that isn’t bought and is then “distributed” to the buyer’s club members (who are students/faculty at local rich kid college).
My guess is that 90% of it is thrown out (or composted).
The whole business is based on local busy bodies donating time and money to this. Also, what will happen in winter with those sidewalk stands?
My MIL was in a club where she’d get a box of produce every week. She could request specific stuff, but mostly it was just whatever was available at the time. She stopped it because she wound up tossing half the box out before she could use it.
In Baltimore there are guys who go down the streets with horse-drawn carts selling produce at least every Sunday. For that matter, in Annapolis there are at least three farmer’s markets that run on the weekends, two of which are a block or less away from public housing projects.
“What do you men you don’t have a New York style cheesecake? How do you expect to solve the food dessert problem without cheesecake?”
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Think one protester being killed in political violence bad? Just wait until China gives neo-Nazis billions in arms, cash and training. #CIA
So, tens of millions of dollars per neo-Nazi? That’s a lot of tiki torches.
Charlottesville Victim’s Mother Is ‘Proud of How She Died’
https://www.wsj.com/articles/fatal-victim-in-charlottesville-incident-is-local-paralegal-1502635668
Could the SWJs be any more of a cult? It’s not clear the deceased was actually antifa but the story suggests she was a rabid prog SJW who dedicated her life to fighting for “fairness” through the harassment of others.
I hope if I ever am killed from getting run over by some fat fuck neo-nazi, that my family will seek vengeance on the responsible and not utter platitudes about being proud that I had been murderously flattened by the scum of the earth.
If I’m killed walking down the middle of a street that isn’t closed to traffic, surrounded by assholes shouting curses at the people driving cars, I hope my family will shake their head and damn me for an idiot.
What’s a grieving mother going to say? “Good riddance, I can always pump out more kids?”
Or at a minimum ask why the cops were no where to be seen when two large groups of people who detest each other are meandering down the street.
You can’t crack down on violence if you don’t let the violence happen in the first place.
Like I said, they could have tried giving permits to the different groups on different days. If one group showed up for the other side’s rally, disperse them at once for lacking a permit.
Would that have worked? I mean, worked better than what happened?
Geez, it’s almost seems like they wanted it to happen, doesn’t it? *Looks at tinfoil cap-Don’t need you for this one, buddy*
It’s almost as if the authorities were clueless, or worried that being too strict about permits would get them sued.
I was under the impression that they were sued after trying to force one of the groups to use a different park – one that was unrelated to the statement they wanted to make.
Are we sure Antifa had a permit?
A) The cops let the chips fall where they may in order to get an outcome that would benefit someone politically or
B) The cops and city were scared of being sued, so they let this happen and someone winds up dead.
The cops and city aren’t looking too good in either scenario.
I agree with straffinrun. The city let this happen, since they were sued, and not allowed their own way. The lack of police intervention was essentially the mayor and city council throwing a tantrum.
“Are we sure Antifa had a permit?”
I am pretty sure that they didn’t considering the dnc operatives with bylines would have immediately pointed that out.
It looks like the leadership of the city was pissed a judge overrode their attempts to deny the fucking douchebags that wanted a permit to march, ordered the police to back off (look at Berkeley and other such places where the police was ordered to back off and Antifa then burned the place down for what the intent might have been), then got themselves a nice riot they could then use as an excuse to deny future permits. Only shit went really wrong.
Now they have crisis the left plans to milk for all it is worth until the facts finally come out and undermine the narrative…
Brett, that’s EXACTLY how my family would view it. Puts on wop dialect, “O, you stoppid fuck. What did you expect was gon’appen? You’re all a bunch of fucken salams!” And then, as Denis said in ‘Slap Shot, ‘you feel shame.’
Why not both? I mean, of course, get on the authorities like white on rice and make clear than any lenity to the defendant will be denounced vigorously.
More of a Gang than a Cult. If you want to leave you have to get the beating of your life and never show your face again. Or die in action. They like that even better.
So this was a big win-win for everyone involved.
The SJWs got a martyr and the nazis got to run over a snowflake. I don’t care even a little.
I was going to open with that. Sad that she died but she wasted her life on something that didn’t merit attention in my view.
Yeah, maybe this is because I’m turning 39 in four days and I’ve got a family, but if I absolutely have to die I’d like it to not be because I’m at a rally flinging poo at people. I’d like my life to mean more than that.
That Friedman review is just dripping with elitist bullshit. “Lookit super genius Al Gore casting pearls before swine. They know not what they don’t know!”
If Gore had something resembling a personality that made it, you know, interesting maybe people would choose to see it.
When your Armageddon prediction fails, people tend skip the revised prediction.
The title is unintentionally funny. Yes, it’s inconvenient that there is a sequel and the world is exactly the same as when he made the first.
I don’t really give two shits about the movie. Never even heard of it.
It’s the Friedman article I was referring to. Dripping with elitism and disdain.
Might I even say “this is how we got Trump”?
You read the articles?
Kristen claims to be a woman, so not to be believed. There are two truths here. There are no libertarian women and no one reads the links.
I read it and laughed. Loved this:
…But Gore perhaps ran into more pressing problems playing out on CNN and other real news networks– Neo Nazis, North Korea, and a crazy president who doesn’t believe in any of Gore’s — and scientists’– theories.”
Or, you know, ‘the deplorables’ out there just think climate change doomsday predictions are a bit of a crock, are aware of all the manipulated data, and where Gore (an engineer-politician) is concerned, a scam? Nah. Better to overweight the impact of neo-Nazis, a ‘crazy’ President. I mean, people are just soooo stoopid. From where I sit, he’s lucky he even got $2 million worth of suckers.
In 10 years I wonder how much we’ll ‘rave’ about Al. Maybe we’ll still be talking about him like Tipper? Remember her crusade in the 1980s?
Ah, yes, the “Tipper Stickers”.
The Weather Channel paid Sam Champion a boatload of cash to do some preachy show called 23.5 Degrees that nobody fucking watched. Only a very small % of people want to be preached at for entertainment. They should not be making business decisions based on very vocal, very tiny minorities.
The 700 Club has them locked up.
Thomas was awful tee to green on the back 9 (except for 17), but proved the “putt for dough” saying true.
How many balls did he just completely mishit coming down the stretch? And he goes from tied to up 3 while doing it.
He did what mattered. Other guys were collapsing once they got to the green. He scrambled and played the green mile even par. That was always gonna be enough to win.
The craziest thing was Matsuyama’s ball staying dry on 16. That ball landed on a dry 45° downslope behind the green with a 5 iron. And it stayed up? I laughed my ass off at that.
Glad to see some people still concerned about free speech.
Damn straight. It should be stopped at all cost!
#BashTheFasc
The lesson learned from Eric July and Backwordz getting turned away at the Canadian border.
http://www.mcfloogle.com/2017/08/09/the-lesson-learned-from-eric-july-and-backwordz-getting-turned-away-at-the-canadian-border/
apparently a guy who is a closed borders libertarian in a band was refused entry into canada for a DUI
band has songs such as self ownership and statism
http://www.backwordzmusic.com/
I’m starting to get the feeling our respective border agents are getting extra, crispy salty stupid.
We ran into, after who knows how many times crossing the border without much problems, a champ of a border agent heading to the Outer Banks a couple of weeks back.
A real, rude, sarcastic piece of shit.
You’re supposed to enter Canada through one of the unmarked border crossings these days.
If you come back thru again, let me know
Why? You have free passes to hand out?
So I can wait by the side of the interstate and throw rotten fruit at you and the other “Canadians”
I live along the way to the Outer Banks.
Ah. Maybe I passed by your house? Were you the one in the trailer eating Hush puppies while waving the Confederate flag wearing a MAGA hat in flip flops and short-shorts? Man, you’re pink.
*blushes*
You’re being too kind. Stop it.
The worst experiences I’ve ever had with border control have been traveling into Canada, and all of them much worse than the time I almost ran over a customs guy while I was crossing into the U.S.
Happy Stanford Prison Experiment Day!
I didn’t get anybody anything!
finding what you expect
I gave some of my friends gifts but others I tortured.
Lexington is moving the statues of John C Breckinridge and John Hunt Morgan from the old courthouse lawn downtown to a city park dedicated to veterans on the south side of town.
Seems like a reasonable compromise to me, although the timing seems bad. Maybe let this shit cool off for a few months, then move them in the middle of the night before a bunch of Nazis have a chance to show up and rally.
Or just leave them and don’t give anybody a platform to do stupid shit. Ignore all demands they be moved. Ignore all demands they be kept. Ignore all of the screeching from baboons on both sides. Just do your fucking jobs managing the city budget and nothing will happen.
Preferably they should be given to private citizens and they can place them on private property.
Those statues were put there for very obvious reasons and keeping them there isn’t a great idea even though it’s true that they no longer mean that to most people. I’m not advocating melting them down and ripping up the history pages, but to act like they don’t carry any meaning is nonsense.
Public property should be the most neutral fucking thing in the world. People bitch about brutalist architecture being used for state buildings. I want that. Just a series of fucking concrete block buildings with no windows. Lost Causer statues isn’t something I’m going to demand my city government maintain
What the fuck is wrong with John Hunt Morgan? We have a whole “John Hunt Morgan Heritage Trail” that stretches 557 miles all across the state.
https://www.ohiohistory.org/participate/morgan-raid-driving-tour
Well, he was a slave holding Confederate general (my 3rd Great Grandfather fought under him). And his statue is on the site of one of the largest slave auctions in the antebellum South. I don’t think there’s a really a stretch or PC cuckery run amok to say that’s not the best look for a city government.
The trail you are talking about is a historical recreation of a historical event. It says nothing about the rightness or wrongness of his cause or person; it’s just there to show people interesting Civil War facts about a state devoid of much fighting.
That’s pretty different than a heroic statue of him atop a stallion (fun fact, John Hunt Morgan rode a mare named Black Bess and the statue showing a stallion was met with challenges to duels from angry onlookers to the sculptor).
Wait until the fight to change the name “Cheapside” gets started…
I’m all for it. I hate that bar *winks so hard eyeball bursts*
I am strangely proud of the fact that I have never been there. Not because of the slavery connotations, but because of all the Jimmy Buffet connotations.
I was always surprised that they didn’t relocate the statues years ago when they made the Pavilion by getting rid of the street named Cheapside and the little half-ass park space beside it.
We’re in the same boat. I’ve never been, I just hate it, like you, because of the Parrothead bullshit.
Man, there could be an entire series of articles about how Lexington buttfucked itself into destroying a lot of historical buildings in the name of progress and not actually getting any progress out of the deal. Or the “progress” being disgusting architectural blights like Rupp Arena and every high rise besides the 5/3rd building. I love Lexington, but its downtown is shameful in a lot of ways
A perfect cautionary tale of letting government plan shit.
So SF and Jefe are also Bluegrassers? Fuck yeah!
BTW, I’ve already seen FB people posting about antifa throwing down with the NN/Southern Pride people. My commute is about to get a lot more bumpy
If either of you ever want to grab a beer or something, just let me know. I’m always looking for an excuse to drink and rail against The Man
I’m going to be pretty free in October, maybe sooner. But definitely in October.
So here in Minnesoda the protesters in support of antifa in Charlotte decided to protest at Lake Calhoun. Now for those of you who don’t live here, you need to know that last year a bunch of people got their panties in a bunch about one of our lakes being named after John C. Calhoun. The park board in a symbolic vote decided to change the name to Bde Maka Ska. (it is symbolic because they can change a few local signs, but that is it).
Watch the poor announcer try to pronounce the new name because he doesn’t want to piss off the local woke folk. (about the 00:20 mark).
Brigade makes a Ska?
Bidet Macaca Ska!
All of this monument removal bullshit is just an intentional provocation to get something to happen, like just happened in Charlotte. The left are unknowingly digging their hole deeper.
Or being provocative with intent
Safety Is A Civil Right
Review: ‘Locking Up Our Own’ by James Forman Jr.
The Washington Free Beacon – they’re conservative, aren’t they?
Have the prog outlets acknowledged that not every black person is in the streets demanding deincarceration?
Just one of those things like gay marriage where a lot of black people are directly at odds with what their liberal masters support. Yet the vote never changes.
Well, the black community may not be on board with the Democratic left wing agenda, but they have no choice because the Republicans want to put them all back in chains!
Yeah, it’s OK to roll your eyes at Dem leaders and their silly policies, just like rolling your eyes at crazy Uncle Bob, but voting Republican would be treason, like calling the cops on crazy Uncle Bob because of the state of his lawn.
So it’s quasi-respectable not to vote at all – though you’ll still have to listen to lectures on Civic Responsibility – but to vote Republican is like waving a Confederate flag alongside David Duke, not not done.
*just* not done
Which is probably reason #345 why progs are no longer enthusiastic about initiative measures, because it lets voters consider the merits of a specific proposal without worrying that they’re going to get the party they don’t like elected as a result of their vote.
Thus giving otherwise-faithful Democrats the chance, in the privacy of the ballot box, to oppose Democratic policies without going to the extreme of voting against the Democrats directly.
“Do you plan to vote for Smith, the Democrat who loves socialism and hates school choice?”
“You had me at ‘Democrat.'”
“Do you plan to vote for the school-choice initiative?”
“Yeah, it sounds like a great idea, we have to do something about these awful public schools.”
Republicans need to find some way to appeal to black voters without looking like they’re simply checking “minority outreach” off their list of bothersome political duties.
See: California Prop 8
I’m Crazy Uncle Bob and I approve this message
/Get off my Lawn!
Bob’s Your Uncle
Lovely!
::shudders::
Be careful what you ask for, you might get it.
I missed all of the recent evil and general scumbaggery. I spent a long weekend with relatives in the Arkansas Ozarks doing ozark things. Went fishing in Bull Shoals Lake, helped my nephew send some sheep at the livestock auction (P.S. Don’t play poker with those old hillbillies there).
The best part is that there was no cable, so there were no cable news idiots annoying me. It was nice. I was tempted to just stay down there and tell the world to get bent.
Just picture a neo-nazi rally (with all the permits to make it legal). Now imagine antifa shows up with their usual attire of helmets and clubs. What you would expect to happen is today’s “shocking news”.
Where did you stay? That’s close to my neck of the woods.
I’m still not sure how being part of a mob blocking a street equates to being hit while “crossing” that street.
I suppose she was just on the way to the grocery store to buy milk for her rescue puppy.
This is not meant to imply that she “deserved” it, but this
I’m in an ill-advised Facebook “discussion” with a person who seems to have totally forgotten all of the violence (both rhetorical and actual) perpetrated by the Antifa leading up to Saturday’s event. Now, I’m in no way justifying what the guy did, but I am definitely saying that this was an entirely foreseeable event. When you have a group of people advocating the use of violence against people they disagree with and receiving tacit support from authority figures in academia, the media, and government, you are going to have people on the other side who think that violence is a justifiable response.
EPL: Everton already got more out of the Rooney signing than I expected.
Maybe he still has a little bit left in his system after all.
He does. Not enough to rebuild ManU, but enough to keep Everton happily upper-middle.
But Everton is trying to build to 4th.
I don’t see how that helps. But he was cheap, if he is willing to be a key sub, it will work out.
Whoops. laptop being flaky this morning.That doesn’t mean she “deserved” it, but this concerted effort to wave the bloody shirt pisses me off.
You know, those Nazis are too smart to just carry a card saying, “I am a NAZI. If found, return to Nai headquarters.”
So we should just round up all the Republikkkins.
I see a lot of rhetoric like that being tossed about earnestly. I find it disturbing watching the lefties whip themselves into a frenzy over mostly imagined boogeymen. They are cultivating their own hatred and anger to the point where any rational discussion is impossible. We have seen this before many times in many places. It doesnt end well.
Yeah, it ends in paranoid young men driving cars into mobs. These same idiots are going to wear their shocked faces again the next time something like this happens, too, When you encourage violence against fascists and then call everyone you disagree with a fascist, what kind of environment does that create, geniuses?
Gary Johnson should ask Elizabeth Warren for some tips on fundraising.
Sell maps of Aleppo?
Aleppo?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/news/2017/08/02/ku-health-system-whistleblower-case-fraud-lawsuit.amp.html
Basically a person was misdiagnosed with pancreatic cancer and had surgery to remove it. The doctors involved realized this after the fact and went out of their way to cover it up. The person cut open was completely ignorant of that fact and would continue to be so if not for an internal whistleblower.
Shady. As. Fuck.
Pathological liars.
Zing!
“Hey Swiss, come get a look at this!”
*applauds*
What?
Imagine this situation in a single payer system. Lots of emails would just disappear.
eh, they wouldn’t need to disappear. They would just say FYTW
The good news is, you’re cancer-free!
The bad news is, you never had it in the first place, and now you don’t have a pancreas, either.
‘PUT IT BACK IN! PUT IT BACK IN!….WAIT! (pauses, thinks of sex, smirks)….PUT IT BACK IN!’
Anytime something like that is the situation, you get a minimum of 3 opinions before doing anything.
So watching the news last night they led with the statement “3 people were killed at a protest in Charlotte”. I thought that a few more of the people who had been hit must have died at the hospital. Then the announcers went into the details and 2 of the 3 people were the two cops that crashed in the chopper.
Not sure how you can really say that the two cops count as casualties of the protest. And the news people wonder why no one trusts them.
They dont wonder. Call them out and they respond with outrage because you aren’t supposed to call them out.
Yeah – that’s a bit of dishonesty. I saw that headline too: “Three killed at anti-Nazi protest” which I suppose is “technically” true.
Technically true would be “one killed, two other ladies die in close proximity to protest”.
“Three killed at anti-Nazi protest” which I suppose is “technically” true.
Not so sure. How far was it from the riots to where the chopper crashed?
You know who else was a Nazi and got was coming to him…
Benito Mussolini
Danny Vinyard?
http://imgur.com/6R1no4s
Christoph Waltz?
Donald Trump?
George Lincoln Rockwell?
Why do I have such a problem getting our IT people to understand that legit emails are being blocked/deleted by our firewall?
Because then they’d have to do work?
The Firewall is perfect!
Or more like: “Well if squeeze too hard then no emails will come in. If we don’t squeeze hard enough, then we will be overrun with spam.”
KK, show them this as to what could happen to families:
Wife: ‘How could have missed the birth of Gobby!’
Husband: ‘You didn’t tell me!’
Wife:’I sent you an email!’
Husband (looks in email): My box is empty!
Wife (holding Gobby): MONSTER! I want a divorce.
Husband: Isn’t Gobby named after a….never mind.
Wife quietly prepares Venus Flytrap.
Husband: Hooo-kay. That’s my cue!
Do they want to ruin families?
What are you on?
Hash browns.
Moon rocks ftw
You misspelled “brownies”.
Lowest Bidder outsourcing?
Because the goal of IT security guys is to maintain system security, and the best way to do that is by preventing users from getting their grubby paws on it in the first place. I kid, kind of, but at my place the joke is that we start by asking, “What do we need to lock down” while the network guys start with, “What’s the absolute minimum access we have to let users have”.
It isn’t always the IT team. I have seen plenty of sensible policies, that then were reviewed in the yearly compliance audit. The corporate policy says “minimum access to do job”, and the auditors always need something to ding you on. So they state “this is not the absolute minimum, we can be more secure”, and you know this, but work needs to be done and making the ACL look like swiss cheese costs lots of money. But it isn’t the audit teams budget, and managers don’t get fired for passing audits, “just make it go away”.
I am still pissed from an Audit years ago, when they said, you have issue X, because you are running software version 1.2.3 and I showed how we had applied all of the Vendor’s patches, specifically for issue X. This vendor’s method wasn’t to upgrade the version, only to patch the individual issue. They thanked me for the effort and said “We don’t care, we are writing you up”. Management rolled over and said “get the version # printed when you type ‘command -v’ to say the right number”.
I have often asked people, “do you want to be secure?” or “Do you want to pass your audit?” Those are two totally different things. Revealed preferences says #2.
True. We give the network guys a lot of shit but the fact is they get pressure from management to hit various metrics imposed through their contract.
My experience has generally been that the IT people are pretty smart (and relaxed) while the people who make the rules are dumb (and zealous). The dumbest policy I’ve ever had to live under was no “personal” email. How was this enforced? Blanket ban on any “email” domain, like GMail or Outlook 365. In a facility full of subcontractors with no personal electronic devices (read: cell phones) allowed. Not that I wanted one, but the prime contractor wasn’t handing out any email addresses. So you were basically fucked, or you could go to your car periodically. Ugh.
Deleted? Why? Filters typically catch stuff in the spam filter and then let the recipient unblock them or leave them as legit spam. Just deleting emails is not a good policy.
The world is getting too stupid for me.
Shut the fuck up, Mike. We’ve seen this before.
Not to be outdone in the retardathon:
*headdesk*
Despite their violent Animus, firearms are not terribly bright, so the rifles sense of direction would be a little off…
If we don’t make Venezuela even worse than it is now, the Russians will. You’d like that, wouldn’t ya? Traitor.
Let me guess, Pompeo thinks the CIA can redirect the chaos in Venezuela and come out with a pro-USA regime at the end.
Where have I heard this before?
Russians to the left of me, terrorists to the right, here I am…
Stuck with Al Leppo and you?
pure gold, very nice.
Well, hopefully that threat gets the Trump administration to think twice about invading.
“If the US soils the homeland, the rifles would come to New York and take the White House”
lol
Why protest the removal of Gen. Lee’s statue?
Raise the funds to buy the thing. It would make a sweet living room conversation piece
Buy it, buy some land. Move it. Public statues and testaments are a travesty of contemporary and transient political opinion.
Nassim Taleb is like Ayn Rand… right 95% of the time and insanely wrong the other 5%.
I was listening to EconTalk on my commute this morning and this one seems to be going mostly down the “right” path.
Nassim Taleb is like Ayn Rand…
They both like their camels straight?
*Yes, I’m trying to recapture the worst joke award*
Have you ever smoked a bent fag*?
* – British accent
Boo! (But secretly ?)
I haven’t weighed in much on the whole Charlottesville thing but I had a few dealings with violent *skinheads, some Nazi and some not. They’re not exactly the types who like to get pushed around, especially if they’re running in packs. And – like any other mob – that’s when they’re at their worst. So not 100% shocked – and surprised that things didn’t turn out even worse.
* James Fields doesn’t exactly look like any skinhead that I ever met.
Elizabeth Hurley’s pussy:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-4786854/Elizabeth-Hurley-looks-purrfect-swimwear-snap.html
Hurley rocks, but the comments do too
I would guess cinnamon.
Would pet.
Uffda. She sure is shiny, but I would worry about a 50 some year old gal who still is taking selfies. I have a feeling you would have to spend about three hours a day telling her how wonderful she is.
*ponders*
I’m ok with that.
She won’t be high maintenance for much longer on this world.
“Charlottesville hero who broke his leg pushing his fiancee out of the way as white supremacist drove into crowd of antifascist protesters looks emotional at memorial for his friend who died in the horrific collision”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4787818/Charlottesville-hero-moved-memorial-slain-friend.html
Hero?
Slow-moving communist mourns slower communist.
I mean, good on him for pushing his gf out of the way. I think that instinct should always be honored.
Yes.
On the other hand, he had much to do with them both being in that situation….
No kidding. Heroes don’t put their GF in imminent danger by getting her involved in a Nazi vs Commie shit show, in the first place.
He was Antifa, how do we know it wasn’t her idea?
Western Civilization:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-4787006/Candice-Swanepoel-shows-booty-cowboy-chaps.html
Finally, a movie comedy for glibertarians.
1 star review “Too many white men”
Trump Isn’t a Threat to Our Democracy. Hysteria Is.
Sounds reasonable enough, no?
The ease with which the Soviet-bloc regimes collapsed seemed to prove that communism had no foundations other than manipulation and repression. Now that the tyrants had been brought down, equality was unimportant and markets could be left to work their magic. Communism in the Eastern bloc was certainly moribund, but the liberals who urged its replacement with market fundamentalism have lessons to learn, not to teach.
The rude awakening has been a long time coming, and even now has not fully occurred. The 2008 financial crisis failed to dent the political establishment’s complacency, even though it had become very clear that market-friendly policies were helping to destroy the social mobility and economic opportunity that underpins a well-functioning democracy.
And while the shock of the 2016 election caused unprecedented soul-searching, tyrannophobia is blinding many to the real warnings of the election: A dysfunctional economy, not lurking tyranny, is what needs attention if recent electoral choices are to be explained — and voting patterns are to be changed in the future. Yet there is too little recognition of the need for new direction in either party. Senator Chuck Schumer of New York recently declared that the Democrats have merely failed to get their message across. Many Republicans are convinced that the party can correct its Trumpian aberration by reasserting the status quo ante of free markets and social conservatism. Neither side, it would seem, is ready to depart from its prior consensus.
The threat of tyranny can be real enough. But those who act as though democracy is constantly on the precipice are likely to miss the path that leads not simply to fuller justice but to true safety.
To be sure, Trump is a totalitarian monster, but we cannot allow our revulsion for the man and his policies to distract us from our true goal, which is dismantling capitalism, redistributing the wealth of our plutocratic oppressors to the deserving, and bringing forth a true socialist paradise.
Slight understatement
To be sure, communism wasn’t as healthy or successful as its more enthusiastic advocates claimed…
Its like watching a retard clang pots and pans on the floor while pissing and drooling all over themselves.
They are simply incapable of learning. Or telling the truth.
The 2008 crisis was largely caused by govt meddling in the market so what we need is obviously more meddling.
Hair of the dog
Just knew you’d be a Nazareth fan.
+1 son of a bitch.
Men on the left are sexist. Labour needs to do more to fix it
Mandatory castration and estrogen shots?
“Heather Heyer: Woman Killed in Road Rage Incident was a Fat, Childless 32-Year-Old Slut
Andrew Anglin
Daily Stormer
August 13, 2017”
I’d post a link, but the top article is:
“END OF HATE: ANONYMOUS NOW IN CONTROL OF DAILY STORMER
#TANGODOWN
THIS SITE IS NOW UNDER THE CONTROL OF ANONYMOUS
WE HAVE TAKEN THIS SITE IN THE NAME OF HEATHER HEYER A VICTIM OF WHITE SUPREMACIST TERRORISM”
Is Stormer named after Die Sturmer, or after the stormtroopers (the ones with good aim)?
It was named after the other media outlet.
Stormfags have been shitting up /pol/ for the past year (more than usual… and taht’s why I gravitated here), but they’re usually mocked incessantly or isloated from the rest of the baord by being baited into meaningless arguments like “Are Slavs white?”. However, ever since Saturday, its almost as if the Stormfags are emboldened, and half the threads on /pol/ are just pure Stormfaggotry. Though I do suspect some of it is lefty/pol/ and Shareblue LARPing as Stormfags to try to get /pol/ shut down, but there definitely have been some Stormfags that have been unapologetic about what happened Saturday and doubling down on the rhetoric. I fucking hate those guys.
Trump’s victory was a huge win in the war against political correctness and cultural marxism, so much so that liberals are REEEEEEing about “muh states rights” when it comes to things like sancutary cities, Paris Accord, etc… HE’S MAKING LEFTISTS SYMPATHETIC TO FEDERALISM!!!! I don’t trust that all these leftists will see the irony in it, but some will. Maybe 5%. But that 5% goes a long way in a country that is split nearly 50-50 on everything (almost by design). But nope. Stormfags are going to come in and fuck it all up. I fuckign hate those guys. More than leftists. Because they are leftists. And they claim to be right-wing. NATIONAL SOCIALISM IS A LEFT-WING IDEOLOGY YOU FUCKING FUCKWADS! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“HE’S MAKING LEFTISTS SYMPATHETIC TO FEDERALISM!!!!”
Well, they’re not sympathetic to federalism at all. They’re hypocrites who would centralize power in DC as soon as they get in control. Which, thanks to the way they’ve been behaving since Trump was inaugurated, isn’t going to happen.
Well, yeah, most of them are hypocrites that won’t change. That’s why I said it may only be 5% who may catch themselves thinking “You know, maybe centralized government power is not a good thing because my guy won’t always have the White House”. And even 5% changing their minds would be very significant politically. But yeah, 95% are just brainwashed retards that won’t change. It really is scary how large, vocal, violent, and brainwashed the left is these days. Discourse is all but dead.
5% is pretty optimistic, unfortunately. Maybe .5%, if that. Libertarian ideas tend to move at a snail’s pace relative to how we wish it would be, just look at how tobacco smoker’s rights have gotten less politically popular at the same time that marijuana smoker’s rights have gotten more politically popular. It’s very difficult to beat away the idea that you or your favorite Top Men have little ability to regulate non-violent behavior that you don’t like.
Coming Out As A Male Feminist And Why You Should Do It Too – Part One
Warty will keep you locked inside of a man box – free of charge!
Men are not the ones with a box
STEVE SMITH POUND PLENTY OF MAN BOXES!!
“Have you ever found yourself uncomfortable sharing emotions? Expressing feelings?”
Have you ever shit in one hand and put your feelings in the other?
No, I avoid getting excrement on my hands.
No, I’m a little on the Aspy scale, so I’m not all that touchy feely, and in addition, I reacted badly to my brother’s more “Cuddly to obtain preferential treatment” tactics as a child, which made me more resistant to such things.
I sort of feel sorry for all the wussies behind that sign who are never going to get laid. Well, not really.
Or feeling uncomfortable with physical touch from another man, when they are hugging a little too long?
Uh yeah – because that’s when the weird shit starts to happen.
STEVE SMITH “HUG” TOO LONG!!
Are you down with reacharounds?
Or feeling uncomfortable with physical touch from another man, when they are hugging a little too long?
Isn’t that pretty much the definition of hugging a little too long, when one person starts to feel uncomfortable.
Just how stupid are these people, anyway?
Cool story, bro.
Don’t hug me.
To be fair, I hug my best friends, its a good strong bear hug. I would not hug another man (or woman) for that matter who I didn’t know. It takes a long time for me to get comfortable with physical contact of any kind so I see it as a deep extension of trust on my part. No male feminism needed, just boundaries and comfort in ones own skin.
I’m staying away from the latest iteration of “151,600 died today … here’s the one death that will wind you up”.
Has anyone tied this to collusion with the Russians yet?
“One person has been killed and dozens injured in a clash over a disputed Soviet war memorial in Estonia”
http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/deadly-riots-in-tallinn-soviet-memorial-causes-rift-between-estonia-and-russia-a-479809.html
“Trump didn’t out black racists either — would that have been something to watch or what?
To condemn white supremacists by name, the president would have had to do what none of the Republicans and neoconservatives who’ve belittled him since would. He would’ve had to name Black Lives Matter and other groups whose rhetoric has triggered or justified the rioting, arson, looting and physical attacks on law enforcement in U.S. cities from Baton Rouge and Dallas to Baltimore and Ferguson, Missouri. He would’ve had to call to the fascist suppression of others’ speech on America’s campuses by college progressives — white, black and otherwise.”
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/aug/13/donald-trump-didnt-out-black-racists-either-would-/
Trump should invite Pelosi and other leading Dems to join him in a joint press conference, naming and shaming everybody who went to Charlottesville for the weekend’s festivities.
A true show of unity against extremist violence.
I wonder what the response would be?
Trump is smart not to single out one side. The endless calls from the left to “denounce” this or that right-wing extremist is a way of associating moderates with extremists – you “denounce” people to distance yourself from them. Why is nobody asking the left to denounce right-wing violence? Because you don’t “denounce” people you have no association or affiliation with and don’t need to distance yourself from.
Don’t fall for their fake moralizing.
Merck CEO resigns from Prez’s manurfactshurn board because virtue signaling.
Bill George (former Medtronic CEO, and anti-Trumper) just gave an interview on Squawk on the Street essentially saying all decent CEO’s should resign from these councils due to Trump’s positions on a variety of global topics including climate change, but (wait for it) particularly because “the Nazi’s killed Jews” and Trump did not denounce them.
I don’t think these people are hearing the same statement I heard. If both sides are being violent then both should get condemnation which is exactly what Trump did.
Virginia’s Democratic Governor just told the Nazis to go home, and says racists are not welcome in the Commonwealth. Invokes the names of slave-owning founding fathers Washington and Jefferson as counter example. Expect shrieking leftists to condemn the Governor starting in 3…2..1..never.
You would think that the VA Democratic Party would be a little more cautious about talking racial politics considering that they have several close elections to win in November, including the governorship, but no, doubling down is easier and more fun to do.
They need to learn a valuable lesson:
You can shame people into answering a poll a certain way or liking certain FB posts. But their shame fades when they’re anonymously in a ballot box. And constantly telling people they are awful and expecting them to shamefully pull a lever for you isn’t working anymore.
will have more time to LOWER RIPOFF DRUG PRICES!”
Did Trump actually tweet/say this? That’s awesome.
Yes, and all the more satisfying given Merck’s anti-generic practices (even called-out by the O-administration).
That means Merck CEO Kenneth Frazier hates black people.
Good response. Stomp out of your panel because someone doesn’t virtue signal the right way, you deserve to get talked to like a child
You’re Either With Us Or Against Us.
Gawker doubles (triples) down on the derp.
Ok. I choose against.
What do I win?
A severe beating with a pillowcase full of batteries by a guy wearing a Che t-shirt.
+1 bike lock to the brain pan
Fortunately he has noodle arms and is winded after the second swing.
What do I win?
Self-respect?
How are they still operating?
Why did anyone continue funding them?
They’re not. A few of their properties are still functioning under someone else’s ownership. Most of the core Gawker writers filtered out into these remaining vestiges of Prog Ubersmug, others sought employment in the world of slightly-more-real journalism.
People like Alex Pareene hardest hit. Because Gawker attracted such a large audience, i think he and his colleagues felt that it was because they were smart/hip “unique voices” with great political wit and insight, not just because they were the least-stupid writers for an emporium of clickbait .
Now that its been fractured, he’s just another blogger frothing about how much Trump like totally sux.
They give Hamilton Nolan a high-profile outlet. It’s still Gawker as far as I am concerned. 🙂
As if there aren’t any other options. I bet you the author gave a smug chuckle when Bush said the same thing.
No, you don’t have to ‘pick a side’ especially when both are retarded.
Moron (s).
hmm… racist assholes or anti-fascist fascists…
I’m definitely against it.
Further polarization between two groups of retarded collectivists, just what is needed.
“You don’t have to love everything your side does, but you have to choose. Are you on the side of the kind of people who are fighting Nazis and Klansmen—one of whom gave her life yesterday to the cause of defeating them—even if they sometimes make mistakes? Or are you on the side of white supremacist murderers? Pick one.”
How about no?
As opposed to bernie bro and bikelock prof (attempted) murderers?
Yeah, okay.
Stalin fought the Nazis, too.
Are there any boxes on the ‘act like a nazi’ list the anti-nazis haven’t checked yet?
I don’t feel like they’ve contributed much in the way of building architecture yet.
And they haven’t adopted the fasces as a shield decoration. Yet. Although Hillary’s “Stronger Together” slogan looks pretty bad in hindsight.
It’s really more about style, sort of like if Forever 21 and H&M went to war.
Ugh. Damned phone ringing off of the hook. I spent almost two hours on the phone hearing a bunch of shit I really didn’t want to know about, come back here and this is the first thing I see:
“And they haven’t adopted the fasces as a shield decoration. Yet. Although Hillary’s “Stronger Together” slogan looks pretty bad in hindsight.”
Coffee shot out of my nose. I had forgotten about that.
For want of trying? Or just because they fell short of being able to attain them?
Their uniforms are an absolute disgrace. The real Nazis were snappy dressers.
Not everyone has a Hugo Boss in their organization.
Pretty sure that side of the conflict has just about all the fashion designers.
Modern Fashion designers? There’s your problem.
George Bush wants to know.
That’s pretty much what they’re going for, isn’t it? Either you agree with the progressives on every jot and tittle, or else you’re a subhuman monster with no rights worth respecting…
Keith Edwards describes it as Traditional Hegemonic Definition of Masculinity.
Make me a sammich, Keith.
It’s raining. Not just a half-assed sprinkle. A prolonged soaking rain. It’s going to fuck up the “We’re all gonna get burnt to a crisp becuz global warming!” narrative.
Yesterday here in arkansas it rained all day and the temp never got over 68. For august, that is almost unbelievably cool.
Here in central Ohio, we’ve had exactly 1 day where the heat index got above 85 in the last two weeks. Now, my AP Environmental Science teacher claimed (and had research from his master’s thesis to back up said claim) that Central and Southern Ohio would basically end up with So-Cal like temps if global warming matched up with the predictions at the time (early 2000s). I’ll take that climate change, thank you very much.
Ohio will never have SoCal temperature patterns. Not without an ocean for thermoregulation. Without the massive heat sink you get great American Desert temperature patterns swinging between sweltering and frigid day and night.
I agree it is not likely because of the lack of an ocean, but he basically modeled that the Great Lakes would create similar conditions anywhere north of I-71 in the state. And don’t kill my dreams, bro!
AP Environmental Science? What in the fuck is that? They’re really not trying to hide the indoctrination anymore, are they?
I’ve stated for years now that it should be AP Geology, but that whole course is designed as a way of incorporating government worship into what is supposed to be an Earth Science class. The way they test you is that you have to write short paragraphs about certain EPA bills and say how dirty and evil America would be if we didn’t pass these laws.
It was a lot of ideology, but mostly decent science being taught. Our teacher actually went through why Silent Spring was wrong, and why DDT should still be used in homes (obviously not with small children), and used as a pesticide in the developing world. It was an easy college credit, and the test mostly focused on the science side, not policy. That class still helps me with my bullshit filter for Green causes (for instance, the teacher is one of those “former” Greenpeace people who thinks they have gone too far).
It’s a once-in-a-century storm! Unprecedented downpour! Climate change is punishing us for our hubris!
Probably the coolest summer I’ve seen since moving to NJ. Typically we don’t even open a window from Memorial Day to Labor Day. This year it’s been pretty comfortable most of the time.
So far this has been a pretty typical central MD summer: humid as hell with periodic heat waves in the mid to high 90s. Last summer was hot as blazes, but this one hasn’t been bad. As usual, it’s the humidity that kills us. That coupled with the fact that as soon as you get half a mile away from the water there’s absolutely no breeze of any kind.
This is pretty normal for NJ, given that it keeps raining, with clipper systems bringing weather through. The July-August hot, hazy, and humid usually needs the large high pressure areas to sit over the region, and cause afternoon pop up t-storms.
I am a little upset that the night temperatures are cooling off the pool. The season is short enough at the best of times.
TDS is such a deep affliction that symptoms are felt even in periods of mourning…
Is it wrong of me to want to give people Elizabeth Warren prayer-candles for christmas?
No, in fact, it would be hilarious. We could even work up a saint’s prayer for her.
Can we pray for a debilitating aneurysm that leaves her alive but diminished?
Aw, hell. That’s what happened to Waters, isn’t it.
Say Gil, is that a ‘house’ cat? More of a deep trance guy myself.
narrowgaze™
technically its a dancehall cat. i stole it from some dude on youtube.
Killin’ Pussie!
Nooiiccee.
I often have terrible things to say about the ACLU. They deserve a lot of credit for their honest reporting about the Police standing down in Charlottesville and their continued defense of the marchers’ right to free assembly and speech. It really is one of those instances of standing up for an unpopular group’s rights against the mob. The easiest thing to do is join the mob and virtue signal about how much you hate the dreaded Virginia Nazis. The hard thing to do is tell the truth and understand that just because a group has vile views doesn’t mean they don’t have rights and doesn’t mean they cannot be the victim of a wrong you that good people have a responsibility to stand up and object to. Everyone, including a lot of people who claim to know better, except the Virginia ACLU took the coward’s way out this weekend. Bravo for the Virginia ACLU.
Hello John, where have you been?
Well. On vacation and then wicked busy. But I finally did a piece for this place. I sent it in. Hopefully, it will be up soon. It is on Charlottesville and the idiotic responses to it.
Outstanding! Was this the road trip with your pop?
Editors: Do not spell check John’s piece!
It was awesome. I will tell you what, the British screwed the Americans on the Rockies. They kept all of the good parts. British Columbia is about the most amazing place I have ever seen. And Alberta and Calgary are pretty nice too. Alaska and the Yukon were pretty cool too. The Yukon is 2/3rds the size of Texas and has a population of 38,000, 33,000 of which live in either White Horse or Dawson Creek. It is astounding how empty and remote it is. Eastern Alaska seems densely populated by comparison. It is not necessarily the prettiest place, but it is awesome in its own right.
Also, if you ever have the chance to go to Banff or Jasper National Parks in Canada go. Banff is just classically beautiful. The Bow River Valley might be the most beautiful place I have ever seen. Jasper is not as pretty but more awe inspiring. It is just intimidating. I don’t care how many thousands of tourists you cram into that park, it is still the most lonesome and awe inducing place I have ever seen. It is like staring at eternity.
Thought experiment: how fast does Alaska empty out 75% of its population if the sovereign
welfareweath fund runs dry?I look forward to when our media can return to real news stories of importance, like T-Swift’s groping-trial.
(i me’d it – @(#*)@)
::polite applause::
Agreed, they did good.
Good for them.
You gained weight.
John! Finally! Looking forward to Golden John-os!
“The easiest thing to do is join the mob ”
Is it? I dont understand why so many find it easier to lie than to tell the damned truth.
Also, it’s good to see you here John.
The Indians lost.
Uh, no. They won 4-3. Lead over the Twinkies is 4.5 games.
*looks around country*
No, I’m pretty sure we beat the Indians and took their stuff.
They got some Casinos out of it, and Cigarettes,and fireworks
OLD NEWS!
And they haven’t adopted the fasces as a shield decoration. Yet. Although Hillary’s “Stronger Together” slogan looks pretty bad in hindsight.
It’s bundlers, all the way down.
Spelled ‘feces’, isn’t it?
The irony of this statement by notable anti-Semite Al Sharpton is deep:
Another March can only improve things, I guess
Beware the Idiots of March.
He will not denounce Nazism or white supremacy by name.
Once he starts naming names, Al, I wouldn’t be so sure your pals aren’t going to get a mention. Hell, you personally might get a mention, having whipped up a race riot or two in your day.
If Trump had denounced Nazis and white supremacists by name, the media would have gone after him for not denouncing the rest of the alt-right.
They want Trump to denounce his own support for being white and racist because they believe that not only the neo-Nazis and white supremacists are racists, they think everyone who voted for Trump voted for him because they’re racists, too.
They want us to believe that all Republicans and everyone who opposed Obama or voted against Hillary is a racist–and they think that an alt-right guy plowing his car into a crowd proves that.
I was pointing this out above regarding an article about one of the friends of the woman that was killed. While her friends and family are still in a state of grief over their loss, she had the gall to say that the murdered woman wouldn’t want Trump’s condolences and that his voting base was full of racists and neo-Nazis.
Calling Saturday terrorism mischaracterizes what occurred on Saturday. Not all violence, even political violence is terrorism. Terrorism is an attack done for the purpose of eliciting fear and terror in an adversary. Violence occurring in a brawl or a riot, no matter how criminal is not terrorism. If the perpetrator had shown up at a political rally and ran his car into the crowd, it would have been an act of terrorism. That, however, is not what occurred Saturday. What occurred Saturday was during the course of a riot an unbalanced and violent person on one side of the riot rammed a car into a mass of people on the other side. That is criminal and likely murder. It is not, however, terrorism any more than the other acts of violence committed on Saturday were terrorism. It was rioting.
This is an important distinction. If something is an act of terror, only the terrorist bears any moral responsibility for the act. No one present at the London Bridge bears any moral culpability for the terrorist plowing a truck into pedestrians. A riot, however, is different. The people involved in a riot who commit acts of violence are just as responsible for their acts as any terrorist. In a riot, however, the people participating in the riot and especially the people who started or incited the riot are also to some degree morally responsible for all of the violence that occurs. If someone starts a riot, they share in the moral responsibility for all of the resulting violence even though they didn’t personally commit every act of violence. There is a collective moral responsibility for those involved in a riot that does not exist for acts of terrorism.
Calling the events of Saturday terrorism and singling out Unite the Right, rather than what it was (a riot), relieves Antifa of their responsibility for starting the riot in the first place. Calling that act murder and the events leading up to it a riot instead of terrorism isn’t saying that doesn’t say or imply it was somehow justified to run a car into a crowd of people. It is acknowledging the collective moral responsibility of the people who started and participated in that riot for the injuries and deaths that occurred. The media’s insistence that the event is referred to as terrorism is intellectually lazy and dishonest and done for the purpose of slandering Trump and his supporters and engaging in the crudest form of virtue signaling.
Terrorism is an attack done for the purpose of eliciting fear and terror in an adversary. Violence occurring in a brawl or a riot, no matter how criminal is not terrorism.
I think that the antifa goons are attacking people precisely to elicit fear and terror in an adversary, to drive them from the literal public square. This is violence for political ends, and is not a riot like, say, you get during a blackout.
Calling the events of Saturday terrorism and singling out Unite the Right, rather than what it was (a riot), relieves Antifa of their responsibility for starting the riot in the first place.
Its not calling it terrorism that lets antifa off the hook, its singling out Unite the Right and ignoring that antifa, unlike Unite the Right, showed up precisely to do violence.
We have a domestic terror movement. Its still relatively low key (no guns or bombs, yet), but its a movement to achieve political ends using violence and the threat of violence. It is loosely organized and funded, but it is organized and funded and is not spontaneous. Close enough to a terrorism movement to me.
Naturally, the FBI and DOJ are utterly uninterested in going after antifa and its supporters, funders and organizers. Because they have a common (political) enemy. I can’t think of any other explanation that takes all the facts into account.
At the risk of sounding tinfoil hattish, I totally agree. Antifa is a domestic terrorist group funded by people such as George Soros, with the intent of intimidating the enemies of the Progressive left, especially the alt-right and so-called alt-light. If they beat up some demonstrators that’s a bonus, but the real target is the audience. They want to create an environment where people are afraid to express unapproved ideas, and they want to bait their opposition into acts of violence like what happened on Saturday. And much of the government that would be in a place to go after these guys is sympathetic to their aims.
Are they marching through Hymietown?
In addition to whatever else people are saying about Charlottesville, someone should say something about the memory of Robert E. Lee. I split my time growing up between Maryland and Virginia. I graduated from a boarding school in the Shenandoah Valley, the same one as my parents and grandparents before me. It overlooked the site of the Battle of New Market, where the Shenandoah Valley’s own version of the Spartan 300 played out.
The Union army was just revving up their blackened earth campaign in the Shenandoah Valley–they were doing to the Shenandoah Valley what Sherman did to Georgia. With Lee’s army away, a makeshift group of Confederates rallied together to Union troops at New Market, including cadets from VMI, who were too young to be called up to fight under Lee in the Army of Northern Virginia. I believe the youngest was 15 years old. That’s how old I was in boarding school.
Long story short, they tried to hold those cadets in reserve, but when the going got tough, the cadets were committed, and the Confederates were able to hold the Union back and keep them from burning the local farms until the harvest came in. I suppose it might matter to people that there were few plantations or slaveholders in the Shenandoah Valley or that the Union army didn’t discriminate in their slash and burn campaign between slaveholders and free.
Regardless of whatever the Klan, neo-Nazis, neo-confederates, or the alt-right says about Robert E. Lee, the symbols of the South, and the causes of the war, I’m being honest as I can be when I say that those symbols to me are not all about racism. I understand that’s what those symbols mean to other people, but that isn’t what they mean to me. I understand that some people are offended by those symbols and spew hate at them accordingly. I wonder if people understand that standing proud and defiant in the face of northern derision is a great Southern tradition.
Robert E. Lee is the embodiment of the best of that tradition, and for those who don’t understand why an honest Southerner might reverence his memory, Lee wasn’t just the embodiment of the Southern gentleman during the war. It’s also what he did to end the war and what he did after the war ended. His mystique is enhanced for having shown the South how to lose with dignity. Lee rejected a guerilla campaign. Lee surrendered his army. Lee argued for the Confederates to become loyal Americans again and for the Union to let them become Americans again. Because of the Lee mystique, it was okay to be both a proud Southerner and a patriotic American.
It’s much like having one’s patriotism questioned for being libertarian. Can I oppose a war in progress and still be a patriotic American? Hell yes! Being true to the principles of the American Revolution, the Constitution, and who I am and where I come from may, at any point in time, put me at odds with the U.S. government, but that doesn’t make anybody a scoundrel, a scumbag, or a traitor. To the extent that kind of tolerant thinking influenced Southern culture, I think it has something to do with the mystique of Robert E. Lee.
I understand that for a lot of people, any symbol of the Confederacy is all about racism. I wish they understood that they lose important support and credibility by making everything about racism. It’s like making Christianity all about homophobia, creationism, or abortion. Denigrating Christianity doesn’t win you the marginal support of Christians, and don’t they know that those issues are relatively minor in the big scheme of Christianity? Treat every Southerner who thinks well of Robert E. Lee as openly racist, and you’re simply offending the people whose support you need to stamp out racism.
When you denigrate Robert E. Lee, it comes across like denigrating George Washington. That’s not how you sell Coca Cola. I wish the left knew how they came across when they go after Robert E. Lee, and I guess the closest I can come is the Westboro Baptist Church, back when they used to protest the funerals of fallen soldiers who died fighting in Iraq or Afghanistan. The Westboro Baptist Church used to protest those funerals holding signs that read, “Thank God for Dead Soldiers”. Regardless of how you feel about gay marriage or the Iraq War, that isn’t the way to make friends and influence people, and if people want the help of Southerners in stamping out racism, they might do well not to wipe their asses with the statue of Robert E. Lee, the very symbol of capitulation with dignity.
To be fair, I’m not all that familiar with Southern history besides the barebone basics despite growing up in North Carolina (I’m from a very urban part of the state), but every time that I’ve read about certain figures of the Confederacy, the more that I realize that their legacy was more complex than the good/bad binary that the Cultural Left likes to categorize them as.
Well put.
Of course, this recent thing with statues isn’t really about statues so much as kulturkampf, a shade of SJWs seeing just how far they can push local authorities, and a healthy does of virtue signalling.
a shade of SJWs seeing just how far they can push local authorities,
Sadly, what they are learning is they can push local authorities very far indeed. In fact, I would say that, with the possible exception of DC during the inauguration, they haven’t really had any resistance yet from local authorities.
What we are seeing is that, if the local government and police don’t push back, the people will. The alt-righters made a big deal of telling their people not to have any weapons. Look what that got them. Either they won’t even ask next time, or if they do nobody will pay attention. Until governments start performing their core minimum duties, this will continue to escalate.
As long as local residents continue to blindly vote in radical leftists and Democrats into positions of power in places like Charlottesville or Berkeley, they pay no political price for protecting folks who think “the wrong way”.
not protecting*
Were I a more paranoid person, maybe the kind of person who might show up at an alt-right rally, I might find it a little suspicious that local governments whose political sympathies lean in a certain direction seem to be awfully lenient when Antifa shows up and harasses right-wing demonstrators. In fact, the appearance of favoritism or even collusion might not be a calming influence on people who already believe that the government is not looking out for their best interests.
He a terrible habit of forgetting where he parked his horse.
You accidentally in your post
I was robbed!
someone steals my words. I suspect ken.
Classic Ken, ten out of ten, would read again.
+1 Joan Baez
Long story short,
Hmmm…
Well said Ken.
…if people want the help of Southerners in stamping out racism, they might do well not to wipe their asses with the statue of Robert E. Lee, the very symbol of capitulation with dignity.
But, that’s their whole point. I have no doubt that many of the cadres couldn’t tell you who Robert E. Lee was or even pick him out of a line of photographs. And, ultimately, they’re not particularly interested in helping Southerners stomp out racism. They’re interested in wiping their ass with the statue of Lee. They’re interested in humiliating the other side. And no amount of cooperation you can deliver is ever going to satisfy them. That’s not what they’re after. They’re broken people and only interested in breaking other people.
You left one thing out Ken. R.E.L. was opposed to slavery on principle.
“There are few, I believe, in this enlightened age, who will not acknowledge that slavery as an institution is a moral and political evil. It is idle to expatiate on its disadvantages. I think it is a greater evil to the white than to the colored race. ”
http://www.civilwarhome.com/leepierce.htm
He was what we now think of as an ol’ timey racist, but he was fiercely opposed to slavery. He saw the institution as a crime against humanity.
Even my left-leaning AP U.S. History class (teacher leaned right, but the course material wasn’t entirely of his choosing) acknowledged this fact and had us discuss the subject of loyalty, since Lee resigned his Union commission and joined the Confederate Army out of loyalty to his home state.
Yeah whatever dude. Take your meds.
What is shocking is that while the right-wing media is wringing its hands about suppressive leftists, openly racist and fascist-sympathizing organizations are recruiting young white people on campuses. That conservative pundits have precious little to say when campuses are defiled with swastikas, nooses and racist fliers but cry foul when people like Richard Spencer, Mr. Yiannopoulos and Ms. Coulter are met with protest has become a sick paradox of our time.
In the coming school years, those who are quick to defend the rights of white nationalists and neo-Nazis to speak on campuses must be just as vigilant about protecting the rights of faculty and students to speak out against them — or risk revealing their hypocrisy.
When will we put a stop to the unconscionable muzzling of liberal academics?
It’s a national travesty that Progressives aren’t free to speak their minds in this country!
I thought Milo’s take on the whole thing was spot on. Tribal clashes are inevitable when you push identity politics.
That is the whole point of identity politics.
It is the effect of identity politics. The goal of identity politics is political power.
So much conflation and sleight of hand in just three sentences.
Not to mention the progressive campus groups. When will we protect their rights to kick Jewish members off of student councils and use threats of violence to keep admins from inviting those with different views on campuses?
I’m wondering how much longer the police and municipal governments will take the side of the lefty rioters. Because that’s what they have been doing, with a maybe exception for DC.
Berkeley, of course, famously let lefty rioters run loose on more than one occasion.
DC arrested some rioters, but last I heard most of them blew off their court dates, and I wonder if warrants have been issued for their arrest, etc. Haven’t heard anything.
Charlottesville, of course, gave a permit to the right wing demonstration, then shut it down when the illegal left wing counter-demonstration showed up, and stood and watched while the two sides threw a riot. As far as I know, the only arrest is the driver.
I can’t see that as anything other than tacit support for the left wing rioters. At the political/mayor & council level, but nonetheless. The right gets shut down, arrested, and prosecuted, and the left is permitted to shut them down and goes free as a little birds.
Based on the video analysis, its at least an open question whether the driver even meant to attack the lefty mob. We’ll see, of course, but I need to know more about where he was coming from, where he was going, why he was there, etc. In my book, if you are blocking a road and start attacking cars, the drivers are allowed to hit the gas to ensure their own safety.
They arrested a few more, and one guy of the mob who attacked whatshisname on Sunday during his press conference.
Just watching a few videos, you can see dozens of assaults on both sides they aren’t doing anything about.
I think if the retard-looking kid hadn’t killed someone, the conversation might be at least a little bit about the police letting a riot occur.
Glad to hear they made at least a few symbolic arrests. The proof is in the jail terms, though. If this is more “lefty catch and release”, I’ll be unimpressed.
Of course, they had to make one arrest for the assault caught on camera in public. Funny how it was only one, though.
And I think it was only a guy that spit on him, not the dozen or who punched him.
There was also a pretty horrific caught on video of a beating of an anti-protestor that resulted in no arrests. Like four assholes beating the guy with long poles in a parking garage.
The whole thing is a huge shitshow.
It is a shit show – of the play stupid games, win stupid prizes variety.
I just want “arrest, conviction, and jail time” to be on the list of stupid prizes. If I’m really dreaming, I’d like prizes to be handed out without regard to which side the criminal was on.
the conversation might be at least a little bit about the police letting a riot occur.
Maybe, but I doubt it. Its happened before without much comment from the DemOps, why would this be different?
It’s just that the killing guarantees that there will be none whatsoever.
No question about that.
And my confidence that the driver will get anything approaching a fair trial is close to zero. The mob has the taste of blood now.
And Our Masters continue their pursuit of Year Zero.
Sorry, Jefe. I have to oppose this. This is part and parcel of toxic leftism, and going along with this rewards and encourages them, regardless of the merits in isolation of doing away with public monuments. Besides, the idea that these will be removed and not replaced, is . . . unlikely, so you won’t wind up with fewer public monuments on the public tab, just new and different ones.
They won’t stop there. Maybe they’ll eventually just remove Baltimore
I’m good with that. The fastest way to remove those icky Confederate statues would be to send the city of Baltimore into its own pocket universe where it can be just as Baltimore as it wants without inflicting itself on the rest of us.
Some of these Civil War generals have very complex and complicated histories. I think these monuments – in some ways – are there to get people to do their own research on those histories. And I don’t think that’s a bad thing, because I think simply indoctrinating kids into the belief that “The South were a bunch of racists that deserved to die so Honest Abe – who could never do anything wrong like suspending Habeas Corpus – could free the slaves” is pretty sickening (and yeah, that’s pretty much what kids learn).
Too be fair both sides are bad about painting the north and south in a light to favor their opinion.
Without a doubt, but I don’t see butthurt southerners marching around Ohio calling for the removal of Gen. Sherman monuments.
There are really far more important things to devote our energy to that defending statues. Far more important things. Leave fighting over statues to the chuckleheads.
Personally, I would focus on things that matter, like the surveillance state (which is being strengthened by the fighting over statues), the massive regulatory state (which will grow unchecked if everyone is distracted by fighting over statues), etc.
There are, last I checked, zero statues anywhere for Lysander Spooner. That doesn’t keep us from revering him. And, bluntly, the local governments are such cesspits of socialism and economic destruction that no statue will inspire them to be any different.
^^ I’m with this guy.
I left a comment on a Facebook post from good ol’ Jeff Tucker–who I am growing to dislike more and more each day, unfortunately–along the lines that if you actually care about the state of black America you wouldn’t spend a single moment bitching about a stupid statue when you could be protesting mandatory minimums, the war on drugs, police brutality, any of a number of actual problems. The statue thing is virtue signalling, nothing more.
Well, to look at it from another perspective, the statue issue and things like it are what gave us Trump instead of Hillary which, while not ideal by any means, is a greatly preferable state. The push to eradicate any existence of a culture and history for millions of people, who are generally looked down upon and mocked by the North and coasts, is one of a culmination of issues that gave rise to the Deplorables.
People are sick of being constantly told they are advantaged, bigoted, and racist. This is one of those fronts and is far greater than just a couple statues of old dead people.
Hear hear
I wonder why there aren’t more calls for auctions of the Confederate statues. There’s probably many folks in Virginia and Maryland outside of the major urban areas that would love to own a few of them and make a tourist attraction out of them. I was thinking about advocating for this idea the next time Corey Stewart sets up a Reddit Q&A. I think it would be a good way to campaign on “protecting our Southern heritage” without in any way looking scary or extreme to the majority of the electorate.
Because the campaign is not to deconfederatize the local governments (although the campaigners pretend that’s all they are motivated to do). It’s to symbolically obliterate any opposition to their political movement. It’s like the firing of Brendan Eich – they demand total submission to whatever target they have capriciously siezed upon.
With that having been said, the goal in attacking the statues was to provoke the reaction they are getting. The statues are easy to attack simplistically and hard to defend without the sort of nuance that disappears when emotions ride high. It’s a battleground where the left has the advantage of the terrain. I view the defense of the Confederate statues to be about as meaningful as the defense of the Aleutian Islands in World War II. Let them expend their energy on this pointless battle. Fight the battles that matter – where the state is actually oppressing people in the present.*
*I assume that the statues being removed are publicly owned and not private property.
It’s to symbolically obliterate any opposition to their political movement.
I agree, which is why I think its worth opposing.
It’s a battleground where the left has the advantage of the terrain.
Sadly, this is true. Their Long March has allowed them to capture the high ground of asserted morality.
Me too: protecting symbols & iconography are not terribly important for directly increasing our liberties, but they are important in winning the war against Cultural Marxism.
Let them expend their energy on this pointless battle. Fight the battles that matter – where the state is actually oppressing people in the present.
That’s fine as far as it goes. And I’m not sure I disagree. Just don’t kid yourself that capitulation will buy anything other than additional demands.
Headline: “Racist Nazi at this Address Purchases Contorversial Lee Statue”
I wonder when we’ll see the first Obama statues put up. I’m guessing before the end of Trump’s first term.
Indoensia has had one for a long time now.
Le sigh.
I understand and there’s definitely a big part of me that says, “fuck those assholes, I’m not bending an inch.” But I still think 1) there’s better things for libertarians to focus on and 2) it’s still better to look at each case on its own merit.
For instance, a memorial to dead Confederate soldiers of a certain city/county/state makes perfect sense. You can’t know the intent of all of those soldiers, so honoring them for dying during a complicated war makes sense. It also makes sense on an emotional level. A town or county gathering funds to build a monument to their dead friends and family feels intuitively right.
That is, however, different than a lot of the statues in question. For example, why would Baltimore have a statue of Stonewall Jackson and Robert E Lee? Or, take, for instance, the statues in Lexington; having a Confederate general in full regalia memorialized on the exact spot slave auctions took place is not some 8 degrees of separation, squint really hard and you might see the connection. That’s a very direct reframing of history. Which also cuts to the heart of the argument that removing the statues somehow changes history. The statues themselves were about changing (or, at least, heavily biasing one side) history. They aren’t neutral monuments to the history of the Civil War; they are Lost Cause propaganda.
it’s still better to look at each case on its own merit.
As long as your evaluation includes the fact that this is classic radical left Year Zero and is done with the intent of driving anyone who isn’t radical left from the public square, sure.
That’s a very direct reframing of history. Which also cuts to the heart of the argument that removing the statues somehow changes history.
Would removing the Jefferson Memorial reframe history? I think it would. Would razing Monticello, because it was built by a slave owner with slave labor, reframe history? Sure it would. Saying that removing the statues isn’t about reframing history strikes me as naive.
They aren’t neutral monuments to the history of the Civil War; they are Lost Cause propaganda.
I prefer Lost Cause propaganda (which is nothing more than a historical curiousity at this point) to Year Zero propaganda.
The *very important* distinction between Baltimore’s Robert E Lee statue and Monticello is that one glorifies a man who had horrific flaws. The other glorifies a cause (personified in Lee) for attempting to violently hold onto those horrific flaws. One is incidental, the other is purposeful
My point in all of this is that context matters. You can be celebrating the exact same person, but the imagery and intent can completely change the meaning.
Let’s go full Godwin: Just say the hometown of the guy who invented Zyklon B (and assume this guy did other things that would universally be concerned good or outstanding) built a statue of him. There’s nothing at all wrong with that. Now suppose a
Naziwhite pride group built a statue of the same man across from Aushwitz. Does that not completely change what those statues mean?* and to be clear, a statue of Lee could be akin to the Washington Monument or Jefferson monument. I’m pointing out that the one in Baltimore (and many others in the South) are not about honoring the man Robert E Lee. They were using him as a mythologizing figurehead for a movement to reshape the history of the war.
They were using him as a mythologizing figurehead for a movement to reshape the history of the war.
That’s the “historical curiosity” part. The push to rehabilitate the Confederacy failed.
The *very important* distinction between Baltimore’s Robert E Lee statue and Monticello is that one glorifies a man who had horrific flaws. The other glorifies a cause (personified in Lee) for attempting to violently hold onto those horrific flaws.
I doubt that particular nuance matters at all to the Year Zero antifa crowd. To the “personal is political” crowd, there is not difference between the flawed man and the flawed cause. Jefferson has been under relentless attack from the left for generations – I would bet over time more and more people’s first reaction to Jefferson is “slaveowner rapist” than “political genius”.
And I wonder why removing a statue that glorifies a cause, etc., isn’t changing/reframing history, but removing a statute that glorifies a man isn’t.
Have fun parsing the difference between the incidental and the purposeful when the agitators come for Monticello and Jefferson, which they most certainly will.
I think it’s easy to get caught up in the moment, and I assume you’re like me and read a lot of stupid lefty shit. That makes it even easier to assume this is a lot more widespread than it is. For everyone (rightly) talking about how small the actual group of Nazis was, the antifa group is just as small.
They get a lot of cosigning from people in authority that Nazis don’t, but I’m not ready to concede that they have enough control to raze Monticello or anything remotely close. If they do, I’ll be the first one pushing back. I’m just not going to jump the gun because of what might, possibly, maybe, conceivably happen.
I’m not ready to concede that they have enough control to raze Monticello or anything remotely close.
Not that, no. But this is a slippery slope, and we are sliding down it now and will continue to slide until an equal and opposite reaction manifests. A generation ago, nobody would have thought we would be tearing down Confederate statues, but here we are. I’d prefer not to find out what’s at the bottom of the slope.
Look down below at the list of cities falling over themselves to remove statues at their behest. I’d rather nip this in the bud than fight pitched battles down the line. And by “nip it in the bud”, I mean open federal investigations into the organizers and funding, and start arresting and jailing people who show up for and/or commit violence at public events.
I’m just not going to jump the gun because of what might, possibly, maybe, conceivably happen.
Have you found any evidence that giving in to these guys gets them to do anything but raise their demands?
And why get so testy over an old building? After all, Jefferson was an unrepentant slave owner. He couldn’t be bothered to even free them in his will. He was just another white supremacist. Hell, we’ve already established that its not okay to honor a guy who fought on behalf of slave-owners. Now you’re getting all misty-eyed over the memory of an actual slave-owner?
I’d prefer not to find out what’s at the bottom of the slope.
Trigglypoof whining that the world is not fair. That’s the tragic irony of the whole story. The world is being torn down, not by giants among men who make lesser mortals quake in fear, but by the sort for whom “incompetent mediocrity” is strictly aspirational.
Is Monticello public property?
I think its private. I thought UVA had a role, but I’m honestly not sure.
Much like the Jacobite cause that preceded it, the Lost Cause has long been more akin to mythology than an actual political or social movement. It’s for Southerners of a certain bent to gaze wistfully into a fireplace with a glass of bourbon as they wonder what might have been.
Cultural Marxism, on the other hand, is not so harmless.
Because parts of Maryland had very strong pro-Confederate sympathies? hell, the lyrics of their state anthem….:
Maryland had ‘skin in the game’ very early on in the conflict as well….
I am aware of Eastern Maryland’s pro-Confederate history. That still doesn’t answer why the people who erected the statue chose to honor people with no direct tie to Maryland. The most obvious answer, is they were propaganda meant, not to honor anyone, but pretend the war was completely different than it actually was
I honestly can’t tell WTF you’re trying to say here. You’re saying no one can erect monuments to people who aren’t from their state?
i don’t see what’s obvious at all about your claim. There are plenty of monuments in places where Lee never fought – but he *did* fight in maryland. How does it pretend the war was “different”, again?
Maryland also had about a third of its state legislators arrested by the Feds under Lincoln’s orders.
There is no such thing as “neutral monuments”. All historical monuments reflect the historical political interests of the moment they were produced/erected. The circumstances of their placement and the reasons why don’t detract from their purpose; they’re inseparable.
The Washington Monument is propaganda. The Statue of Liberty is propaganda. The liberty bell is propaganda. The vietnam war memorial is propaganda. Its just propaganda *we like* and which we revere and pretend has no ulterior motives/context which might detract from our reverence. Just because political whims and interests change over time doesn’t make disfavored monuments somehow magically different. It just means the public has changed.
True, but monuments can certainly be *more* neutral than others.
A granite obelisk that says “In memory of those from Baltimore who died in the Civil War” is more neutral than a statue of Robert E Lee riding a Pegasus towards the North with a sword in his hand.
And it’s also important to remember that I am not in favor of destroying them. There is plenty of private land (even right downtown next to these monuments) where they can freely go and people can appreciate their historical significance as plainly as they can right now
I’m in favor of statuary parks, like they have in former Soviet countries (Especially Russia, see St. Petersburg and Moscow’s Statuary Parks, one of which was featured in Goldeneye) to put all the old offensive statues in. They are, after all, a work of art, and often are quite good artworks.
That’s actually a good idea, although I would hate to see Monument Avenue in Richmond “fundamentally transformed” by having all the statues taken out.
Naturally, the Year Zero goons would merely follow the statues to the park and demand their removal again.
There is plenty of private land (even right downtown next to these monuments) where they can freely go
Because antifa respects private property, right?
Who said they did? If antifa starts protesting that, tell em to eat shit
My argument is not about the validity of the statues (although I find a good percentage of them not reflecting my views). It is about the validity of a government maintaining them or presenting them in a way that does not accurately reflect either the subject or the reason they are there in the first place.
A city or county government who has Confederate generals portrayed heroically on their courthouse lawn with no context is unintentionally giving some level of legitimacy to what they represent. Again, this isn’t 8 degrees of prog separation where someone may have once heard someone say nigger, thus they must be memoryholed.
If antifa starts protesting that, tell em to eat shit
Why wait?
A city or county government who has Confederate generals portrayed heroically on their courthouse lawn with no context is unintentionally giving some level of legitimacy to what they represent.
And a government that knuckles under to Year Zero antifa is giving them legitimacy.
Meaning comes from context, as you note. Removing these statues has a context, too. If this were sober citizens saying “Gosh, we’re just not sure that statue represents who we are these days”, I wouldn’t have anything to say. But that’s not what’s happening. This is a fight for political and cultural dominance. Its a zero sum game, which is said, but its the game being played. If I’m forced to choose sides, I choose the side that doesn’t empower scum like antifa.
No. Neither is “neutral”. as i already said, what you think of as “Neutrality” is simply your approval of the propaganda.
Your idea of a historically-neutral historical monument is complete rubbish. As i said = the people who erected the monument felt it perfectly “neutral” TO THEM at the time. What it represents now is not some inherently ‘un-neutral’ vision – it represents how YOU and I and have changed.
I didn’t say it would be neutral, I said *more* neutral. Pretty big distinction, and also not rubbish.
“more” neutral implies there’s such a thing as neutrality in the first place. it doesn’t exist.
you seem to want all historical artifacts to conform to some imagined standard of “neutrality” according to contemporary perceptions;
by definition, anything historical doesn’t give a flying fuck about our current historical perceptions
the historical artifacts are reflections of THEIR current perceptions. And all you’re saying is YOU don’t like that. Its not that the artifact lacks neutrality, its that you refuse to grant that all historical artifacts have their own standards which have nothing to do with your own.
If you’re going to have any public historical artifacts at all, you need to stop pretending that the past has to conform to your contemporary mores. The very value that historical artifacts have is to remind us that minds are constantly changing. they help us see how other people saw things.
Just a suggestion for Fridays: since the website’s signature reproach, the cat-butt is (fortunately) a rare event, I propose a modest expansion of its use. On Friday, whether it is part of the Afternoon Links or whether it is its own feature, there should be a Cat-butt of the Week here. I assume most weeks would see a politician or pundit “winning” the award.
What say you, Glibs brain trust?
And, bluntly, the local governments are such cesspits of socialism and economic destruction that no statue will inspire them to be any different.
Exactly. Local governments (and a large segment of the “engaged” populace) around here seem to be actively engaged in a concerted effort to stamp out any meaningful appreciation of private ownership. Property owners cannot be permitted to engage in perfectly legal business enterprises if it offends the sensibilities of the mob.
no statue will inspire them to be any different
I wouldn’t be so sure.
I am the walrus?
Shut the fuck up Donny!
Note the colossal blindspot in even the most even-handed reactions from the the media:
The extremists were on the right in Charlottesville, but there have been examples on the left in Berkeley, Oakland and numerous college campuses
Nope, no lefty antifa extremists in Charlottesville. Only nasty right-wing extremists, who are thus responsible for all the violence there.
So long as left-wing violence is ignored and tolerated by Our Masters, it will continue until it either prevails or is put down by an equal and opposite reaction. Our Best and Brightest can’t seem to get that through their thick skulls.
Charlottesville goes down as a win for antifa. And you know what they say:
You get more of what you reward, and less of what you punish.
The big antifa win in Charlottesville is already resonating. From Drudge:
Antifa Year Zero demands are being met across the country, violence is escalating, and some shmuck got fired for being on the “wrong side” in Charlottesville.
A big win for antifa. More to come.
“Rest of America continues to not give a shit”
And they’ll be shocked when all it buys them is increasingly arbitrary demands.
I stonewalled an activist at my hospital for precisely this reason last month. The initial demands looked . . . not unreasonable. But nobody could look me in the eye and say if we gave in to the initial demands, we weren’t setting the stage for more and more demands, that would actually be harder to resist because we had set a precedent.
The doxxing is really shitty. A lot of the people drawn to extremism are looking for their political identity. Especially the young ones. They are there because they’re curious, but not yet committed. Doxxing them and cutting off all avenues to decent jobs, education or acceptance from other political views steers them to the groups that accept them: the extremists.
For the same reason ENB shouldn’t have doxxed that 17 year old kid over a sandwich joke, people should think twice about doxxing people like that 20 year old from Reno. Because I can assure you when nobody else accepts him for being curious, the white supremacy assholes will be there with open arms.
Except I don’t think these guys really give a damn whether they push these kids into the arms of the white supremacy assholes. Hell, from their perspective, they might be happier if the kids did line up with the white supremacists.
They punish an open enemy and terrorize others into submitting and keeping quiet. I see no downsides for them as long as they never get punished. And doesn’t seem like that’s in the cards.
The Rageholic: It’s a blacklist!!!!
I think google just shot itself in the liver.
seems pretty solid.
And, last one:
There have already been calls to remove the Jefferson Memorial.
Not a movement yet, but its definitely within the DemOp Overton Window
Punted the link.
Baltimore wants to remove a Taney statue? He was not a Confederate. Neither was Calhoun. So anyone who thinks they won’the go after Washington, Jefferson and Madison is wrong. And what about the constitution abound bill of rights written by said men.
Washington DC is named for a slave owner and for Columbus. New York and Albany is named for a slave trader. August is named for a slave owner.
ISIS likes to destroy monuments of slave-on in societies.
The Aldace-Lorraine monument in Compiegne refers to French soldiers as defenders of justice. I don’t think an Algerian would agree. And the Nazis ordered the original monuments to be destroyed…