This article goes over the more common and interesting long arms used during the American Revolutionary War in what is now Canada and the United States. If I tried to cover all weapons used in anywhere the war was fought, this would be a very long article.
The American Revolutionary War turned into a global conflict. As the war in the American Colonies progressed, France and Spain entered the war on the Colonial side. Both France and Spain wanted revenge on Britain for past losses. Spain did not recognize the United States’ independence due to concerns that Spain’s colonies would get ideas about themselves becoming independent. France thought that supporting American independence would give France leverage over Britain. The Dutch colony of Sint Eustatis became a major shipment point for goods going between the American Colonies and their supporters. Angry at the Dutch support for the American Colonists, Great Britain declared war on the Dutch in 1780. The expansion of the conflict led to fighting in the Caribbean, Central America, Europe, and India.
With such a wide ranging war, and with such a large number of combatants, there is a huge variety of arms used by all sides in the American Revolution. Some examples:
• American militia men equipped themselves with firearms and a secondary bladed weapon. Requirements for those weapons from each colony’s militia system could be vague.
• Some British sergeants still carried halberds, and some British officers carried spontoons.
• Indian forces used rockets against British troops in Mysore.
So, to try and keep the article to a reasonable length, I’m going to write only about long arms used in what is now Canada and the United States.
Flintlocks
First, a description of flintlocks for those aren’t familiar with them. All long arms covered in this article are flintlocks. A flintlock uses a piece of flint, held in a hammer, to strike a piece of metal called the frizzen to create sparks. Underneath the frizzen is a small pan which holds gunpowder. There is a hole in the pan leading to the chamber with the powder and ball. When the flint strikes the frizzen, the sparks ignite the gunpowder in the pan. The sparks travel down the hole to ignite the powder, firing the weapon. Since the powder in the pan was exposed to the elements, flintlocks were useless if it was raining. The flintlock’s lock brings all the pieces (hammer, frizzen, pan, and barrel) together. This short animation shows a flintlock in action.
Muskets
Muskets were the most common type of long arm used during the American Revolutionary War. Muskets are muzzleloading, smooth bore firearms.
Muskets could be reloaded and fired quickly. The best on-line source, a re-enactor’s work, I can find states that a rate of 3-4 rounds per minute come from 18th century live fire studies, but doesn’t mention the studies. The British Manual of Arms for a soldier to reload and fire a musket consist of 15 steps. If each can be done in a second, then there is a theoretical limit of four rounds per minute.
Black powder residue would foul rifling; however, the residue would even buildup in smooth bores, eventually making reloading difficult despite the smooth bore. To increase the amount of time before fouling made loading difficult, musket balls were generally smaller than the musket’s bore size, which hurt accuracy. Muskets of the period did not have sights, though some had sighting grooves and bayonet lugs on the top of the barrel that could be used as sights. Muskets had an effective range from 50 to 80 yards, depending on the musket.
I’ve read that if you use a tight enough fitting ball, a smooth bore musket can be fairly accurate, rivaling rifles of the time. I have not found any tests which show this.
As a result, tactics of the time emphasized speed of loading and mass fire over accuracy. Hand-to-hand combat with fixed bayonets finished the battle.
American Made Muskets
In 1775, “Committees of Safety” placed orders with gunsmiths to produce muskets for Colonial forces. Few of these muskets survived. Most had no identifying markings due to fear of prosecution from Royal authorities. Soon the states superseded the local committees. As the war went on, Congress centralized production, storage, and repair of arms in six arsenals: Philadelphia, PA; Carlisle, PA; Lancaster, PA; Head of Elk, MD; Albany, NY; and Manchester, VA.
Early in the war, American made muskets were loosely based on the “Brown Bess” muskets. Later in the war, production shifted towards French designs. However, there was no standard design pattern. American gunsmiths used whatever parts they could get their hands on. Many parts were imported because, despite British blockade, it was easier and cheaper to import whole components. Those parts which American made tended to be cruder and more cheaply made than imported parts.
“Brown Bess”
“Brown Bess” is the nickname for the British Land Pattern Musket. The “Brown Bess” traces its roots to 1713, when the Royal Board of Ordnance began standardizing weapons production for the British Army. Entrenched interests in favor of the existing arms procurement system opposed these changes. The Board persevered, and in 1722 released the “King’s Pattern” musket. Political pressure and the lack of wartime pressure delayed the new musket’s production until 1728. The new musket was first issued in 1730 as the “Long Land” pattern musket. There are many explanations for how the musket received its nickname, none of which are convincing to me. The earliest reference to the name I can find, courtesy of George Neumann’s work, is in the “Connecticut Courant” newspaper in 1771.
The musket is .75 caliber and has a walnut stock. The stock ends before the muzzle to allow for a bayonet. Attached accessories were made of brass. The musket weighed 10 to 11 pounds. The barrel was held to the stock with heavy pins. The musket’s bayonet lug could be used as a front sight and there was a groove at the rear which could be used as a rear sight. There were many variations of the musket. The two broad variations were the “Long Land” which had a 46 inch barrel and the “Short Land” which had a 42 inch barrel. There are several sub variations which were developed based on war time experience with the musket and to ease production.
British, American Colonial, Loyalists, and Hessian troops all used the Brown Bess. Generally, only the British forces used the newer variants. American Colonial forces used whatever Brown Bess muskets they had at the beginning of the war or could capture as the war progressed. The British equipped Loyalist and Hessian forces with older Brown Bess muskets which were being replaced by newer muskets shipped in from England.
Here is a video of Australian re-enactors demonstrating Brown Bess accuracy using standard loads.
Charleville Musket
The French infantry musket was standardized in 1717. The musket became known as the Charleville musket, after one of the many arsenals which produced the musket, even though Charleville was never an official name for the musket. I did not find any official naming for the musket beyond it being identified by the year a variation was introduced. Most of the variations were to lighten the musket and make maintenance easier. The musket used a .69 caliber ball to reduce weight in the field. The stock is walnut. The barrel and stock were held together with three lightweight bands. The musket throughout its life was lighter than the Brown Bess.
The French sent 200,000 of these muskets of various types to American Colonial forces. American Colonial forces received the Model 1763, Model 1766, and the Model 1774. Post-war, the Model 1766 heavily influenced the design of the American Springfield Musket of 1795. The Model 1763 was shorter than previous models and had a different lock. The Model 1766 was a lightened version of the Model 1763. The Model 1774 had more lock modifications and had a modified stock.
The French kept the Model 1777 for their own forces. The Model 1777 stayed in use in the French military through the Napoleonic Wars. The Model 1777 supported a new type of bayonet, had a cheek rest in the stock comb, among other variations.
Quebec militia units probably used left-over Model 1728 muskets while defending against American Colonial invasion.
German Mercenary Muskets
The British, for various reasons, found it cheaper and easier to hire German mercenaries than to raise more troops for the British Army. The British hired about 30,000 mercenaries from various German states for combat in America. As a side note, George III, who was also King of Hanover, leased some of his Hanoverian soldiers to Britain for use during the American Revolution. The Hanoverian troops remained in Europe. Roughly half of those that went to America came from Hesse-Kassel, which is why the mercenaries are known in America known as Hessians. In addition to Brown Bess muskets from the British, the mercenaries’ muskets came from all over Germany. While American colonists captured many Hessian muskets during the war, only a few hundred were listed in American post-war inventories.
M1752 Musket
The Spanish Army’s first standardized firearm was the M1752 musket. Spanish Colonial forces were armed with this musket when they attacked British forces at Pensacola. Spain sold between 10,000 and 12,000 of these muskets to American Colonial forces.
Rifles
Rifles are a long arm with a rifled bore. Rifling is the process of cutting spiral grooves into the bore. The rifle’s projectile, when fired, grips these grooves as it travels down the bore. The spin stabilizes the projectile, improving the weapon’s range and accuracy. Muzzle loading rifles of the time were slower to load than muskets due a tighter fighting ball and were more prone to problems with powder fouling. Rifles of the time could not be fitted with bayonets.
The American Revolutionary War was the first war with widespread use of rifles. German mercenaries, American Colonial forces, and British forces all used rifles.
Use of rifles was fairly new to the British Army. British rifles corps were small.
American Colonists and German Jäger troops were familiar with rifles. Hunting was a common past time among both groups.
The range of rifles of the time is disputed, but there are accounts of effective fire from 200 to 300 yards. I’ve searched for information on the longest rifle shot in the Revolutionary War, and found nothing definitive. Timothy Murphy’s killing of General Simon Frasier comes up most often. The range for that shot varies between 300 and 500 yards, depending on the source. Unfortunately, it is impossible to verify.
Ferguson Rifle
Major Patrick Ferguson was a Scot who joined the British Army. During his time the British Army, he developed a breech-loading flintlock rifle. This was the first breech-loading firearm adopted by a military, but it was not the first breech-loading firearm. Maj. Ferguson based his rifle on the French Chaumette.
The Ferguson rifle relied on a screw mechanism to open the breech. The riflemen would turn the trigger guard, which worked the screw, and opened the breech. The rifleman could fire four to six rounds a minute, as fast or faster than the muskets of the time. The rifle was expensive, difficult, and slow to make. The rifle also used a special powder, which was more expensive than regular musket powder.
Only about 100 or so Ferguson rifles were made. These rifles equipped an experimental unit which was under Ferguson’s command. They arrived in America in May, 1777. Ferguson was killed at the Battle of King’s Mountain. His unit was disbanded afterwards.
Here is a short video from the NRA about the Ferguson Rifle. At the end of the video is a demonstration of shooting a Ferguson Rifle replica.
Jäger Rifle
Among the mercenaries from Hesse-Kassel were Jäger troops. These troops were armed with rifles, and they covered advances and withdrawals. Their rifles were made in Schmalkalden (a town in present day Thuringia). Their rifles had 29 inch long barrels whose external shape was octagonal. The rifle bore was .65 caliber.
Long Rifle
The Long Rifle dates to the early 1700s when German immigrant gunsmiths began making rifles in Lancaster County, PA. The rifles were based on German patterns and there is a good bit of variation between rifles. Generally their bore is between .45 and .60 caliber, and the barrels long. American Colonists used the rifles to engage in hit and run tactics and to snipe at British officers, which the British considered “ungentlemanly.”
Pattern 1776 Infantry Rifle
The Pattern 1776 rifle was another British attempt to equip troops with rifles in order to counter American rifleman. About 1,000 were made. They were made in Germany and by four different manufacturers in England. Nine are known to survive to this day, and some had been modified after the Revolution. Loyalist American rifle companies were among the units which received the rifles.
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Too factual – might ruin our reputation.
Please cite your source(s)
I’m not accepting a citation for claiming the article isn’t Glib enough.
I know you’re being sarcastic, but this reminds me of why I stopped editing Wikipedia.
+50 [Citation Needed]
Why would you do that to yourself to begin with? That sounds like a pretty thankless job.
Gell-Mann effect. If you’re knowledgeable about a subject and you read its article on Wikipedia and its just so stunningly inaccurate you try to correct it.
I suppose. I get the need for it, I just wouldn’t want to be the one who has to slug through it. Bless you kbolino.
It was fun. A long time ago (ca. 2004-2008). I haven’t done anything but the most minor of edits/corrections in almost a decade now.
You’re right. I’ll reiterate my opinion from another post: PornHub is a good site.
As long as it isn’t too local.
Basic rule of thumb: The Brown Bess musket and American copies used pins to secure the barrel to the stock. French muskets used bands.
“Jäger Rifle”
Did it shoot Jäger bombs? Whoooooo!
No, it fired hunters.
Did it hunt Kaiju?
Ve iz not pipple, ve is Jagermonsters. Iz better.
My family has a Kentucky Long Rifle and a Plains Rifle that have both been handed down through the years. After my Dad passed away, my Mother gave them to a cousin who was close to Dad. They now hang over his big stone fireplace. I didn’t know the Long Rifle originated in PA.
Fascinating article. I always enjoy looking at old weapons and uniforms. I’ve never gotten to fire a muzzleloader, but I hear they kick like an angry Mule. Any experience DEG?
Thanks!
The only muzzleloader I’ve fired is a friend’s muzzle-loading pistol. He put it together from a kit. I didn’t think the kick was all that bad.
I will confess a huge mistake I made: I was chatting with my friend while loading the pistol. I wasn’t paying full attention to what I was doing. After loading, I aim and fire. Nothing. I wait. Not a hang fire. I cock the hammer again. Pull the trigger. Nothing. Wait. My friend was laughing and said to me, “You forgot to put the powder in.” The pistol came with a tool to remove stuck bullets, which he used to clear out the bore.
Mostly depends on the charge; you can take it down pretty light.
Also, unlike repeating firearms with their fancy springs and gas tubes and muzzle breaks, there’s really nothing to absorb the blast other than the stock (and your shoulder, eventually). That’s true for any single shot, though. Not just muzzle loaders. Some of them can also be fairly light weight, which hurts in absorbing the recoil
The British put a buttpad on their Lee-Enfield No. 5 in an attempt to cut down on recoil. I have a Lee-Enfield No. 5 and I’ve fired it. The buttpad doesn’t help.
All the Lee-Enfields have ‘stout’ recoil, but yeah, the 5 is the worst, since it’s about 80% the mass of a 4.
I’ve fired a few different No. 4 rifles. I didn’t think the recoil was all that bad, no worse than a Mosin-Nagant 91/30.
I’ve fired 4s and a 5, and a couple of other battle rifles from the last century, and I dunno, for some reason, the Enfields just seemed to leave a greater impression, one might say. Maybe it was the ammo, or maybe I was feeling a bit ’emotional’ that day but the 5 left me with a pretty sore shoulder the following day.
The 5 is rough. My No. 5 also has a loose front sight. I tried adjusting it with a hammer and punch and almost knocked the blade out of the base.
I own and love to shoot multiple traditional style muzzle loaders. My favorite way to hunt big game with one of my .54 Plains rifles. Jefe is correct about the charges. One of the “pleasures” of a new muzzle loader is determining the proper mix of powder charge and ball size to get optimum performance since it varies between weapons. The biggest difference in firing the weapons are: keeping on target after pulling the trigger since there is a small explosion near your face before the ball/conical leaves the barrel; and the weapons don’t as much kick your shoulder as push against it since the powder is slower burning.
Good article, thank you to the author.
Good article, thank you to the author.
Thanks, and you’re welcome!
Modern muzzle-loaders are rather mild. Black powder does burn nearly as fast as ‘smokeless’. They roar and push the round out instead of the violent crack of modern rounds.
A modern rifle round fired through one of these poor quality metallurgic devices would be scary.
A period muzzleloader would probably be even milder.
A modern rifle round fired through one of these poor quality metallurgic devices would be scary.
Very true.
You don’t have to go that far back with rifle technology to get a rifle which you should not fire with modern ammunition. I have a Schmidt-Rubin M1889 which I have not fired because even though it will chamber modern 7.5mm Swiss rounds, it will not withstand the pressure from those rounds. I haven’t found any source of 7.5mm Swiss that the M1889 can fire. From what I’ve found, you have to make it yourself.
Doesn’t Hornady have a line of “antique” rounds for various calibers? I’ve got a Gewehr 88 converted to use the “spitzer” rounds, and I’ve seen Hornady “Vintage” recommended in a few places. The advice was basically to slug the barrel and then find the caliber that comes closest at the lowest grain weight. I haven’t actually done that yet because I don’t want to ruin an attractive antique.
It’s been a while since I checked, but at the time I checked there was no one that made the older version of 7.5mm Swiss, GP90. GP11 is their designation for the new 7.5mm Swiss. I took a look at Hornady’s page, and they don’t have any 7.5mm Swiss of any kind in their Vintage line. I ran a quick web search, looks like I’ll still need to make them.
The thought of a .70 caliber 500 grain round flying towards me at 800 feet per second is scarier than any modern small arm. The wounds were absolutely horrific.
Yes, but counter that with the overall poor accuracy of smoothbore weapons. That bullet being aimed at you is almost as likely to hit the guy to the left of you, the right of you, or to go clean over your head, as long as you’re over 70 paces away. A guy with an AR-15 will only need a couple of seconds to put you down. The guy with a musket might take 20 minutes, assuming you hang around that long.
On the other hand, soldiers today aren’t standing in line waiting to receive a volley. The inaccuracy of the musket probably wasn’t much comfort when a 100 of them are firing simultaneously at you.
And then there was the habit of some forces to load buckshot behind the musket ball.
Oh, and the canister shot from the front, and the solid shot from the battery that just got into position for enfilading fire…
Yep – Buck ‘n Ball was loaded ahead of time. Nasty if they were close.
Amputation was the order of the day.
I have a reproduction of a Committee of Safety musket. Used to do reenactments. Without a ball, it has almost no kick. With a lead ball, the kick depends entirely on how much powder you load. I would guess that most soldiers didn’t go overboard with their charges. With really heavy loads, you also run the risk of blowing up your gun.
*rubs finger nails against shirt and whistles* *skips parts about Pennsylvania origins of long rifle* O, you’re talking about the Kentucky rifle. Yeah, we are pretty awesome, aren’t we.
“We had quitters like you in the Revolution. We called them Kentuckians!”
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I a fellow Kentuckian I approve this message.
That line truly stung me as a child. Usually just pulled out my books about Daniel Boone whooping Indians (and ignoring Blue Licks battlefield right down the road) and British and felt much better
Daniel Boone was also from Pennsylvania.
Was he?
(Shakes fist at PA)
Fuck you guys!
Yeah, he was born there before moving to the Yadkin Valley. I believe he is first cousins with Daniel Morgan who was also from Jersey/Pennsylvania before wising up and moving to Virginia.
My home county had quite a few German settlers from Pennsylvania in the 1780s; somewhat unusual compared to the overwhelming English immigrants elsewhere in the area.
*fingers in ears* Yes, Daniel Boone was from the great state of North Carolina, before moving to the greater state of Kentucky!
Daniel Boone’s last cabin in Kentucky was literally about 2 miles from my house growing up.
The Daniel Boone Homestead was not far from where I grew up. I’ve been to it a few times.
According to my sister’s genealogy work, we’re first or second cousins many times removed from Daniel Boone.
I always laughed it off, but it did make me more determined to prove myself as a Ky boy. Watching and reading about Daniel Boone certainly helped that
Is this one of those regional pissing matches that anyone from the outside thinks is really retarded?
*Goes back to shitting all over British Columbia*
I thought you guys were supposed to crap on the Newfies?!
The general rules of thumb are:
1. You shit on the province to the immediate east of you.
2. You hate the French if you’re English and hate the English if you’re French.
3. Depending on your politics you shit on the province that represents the evils of your opposing ideology (so British Columbia, being Canada’s California, or Alberta, Canada’s Texas).
4. Newfies are good natured but inbred and dumb.
Oh, and 5. Toronto is literally a hell on earth filled with jackasses, make fun of it constantly.
Oh, and 5. Toronto is literally a hell on earth filled with jackasses, make fun of it constantly.
Could you please elaborate on this? /no connection to Toronto at all, just curious
It’s a combination of a bunch of things. Some of it is just good ol’ fashioned rurals hating on the big city, some of it is the view that Torontians have their heads up their own asses, especially their upper class WASPs, some of it is the crime rate, some people just hate the Leafs, etc.
I mean, this was the city with the crack smoking mayor, so some of it is deserved.
Hehe I forgot about Mayor Ford. RIP
No, not really. Pennsylvania generally forgets that Kentucky exists. We’re to busy dealing with the problems that creep over our borders from New York, New Jersey, and Maryland to give other states much thought.
Besides, there’s a reason the nickname of any part of PA outside of Philadelphia or Pittsburg is “Pennsyltucky”. We have more in common than most people think.
Too true. One of the mandatory classes at my alma mater is was Appalachia studies. The coal country similarity runs deep.
My kin are on that obelisk at Blue Licks.
…There is unrest in the forest…
…There is trouble with the trees…
The Happening, is happening.
-1 Shyamalan
The closest I’ve ever gotten to antiquated firearms is pointing and laughing when these guys show up at the local outdoor range. Old guns are neat and all, but LARPing–even with fun old guns–always earns my ridicule.
*slowly puts newly acquired Model 94 back in the closet* O hey, nevermind, I wasn’t going to show you anything. *slinks off*
Nice gun.
Hahah! I like the guns! Don’t care for the dress-up 😉
That is really weird, no doubt.
*hides leather chaps and bedazzled vest behind back*
FTR I don’t dress up, I do find it legitimately weird
There’s weird and then there’s acting out D&D. I’m fine with both, but social consequences are a thing.
Yeah pretending to be fictional characters is just weird.
I agree, lets shut down hollywood.
“Silence, foul wench! (twirls battleaxe) Yngmar the Bloodthirsty refuses to be mocked by a mere wood-nymph!”
(trips on home-made chain mail)
In my last D&D group, our DM seriously made a chainmail…shirt? And he insisted on wearing it to every session. It was fine, but there’s a reason he’s still single, you know?
Don’t knock LARPing all that much. It works for some folks. A friend of mine found his current lady-friend through LARPing.
Mr. Riven and I found each other on an online dating app, so I do know it takes all kinds. Just makes me chuckle, is all.
Likes
-Blacksmithing
-Original Star Wars movies
-Half-elves
Dislikes
-Age of Sigmar
-Cleanliness
… It’s almost like you were there…
Spending all of your time armorsmithing does cut down on the social interaction…
I mean, when the D&D chicks think you are an undateable geek…
As way of confession, I like wearing suits, used to be the suit guy in college, but the one bit of clothing that I locked and felt that would have upped the general cloud cookoo lander rep I had was a chain mail vest.
Obviously! You’ll still have to make the vest yourself, it seems.
I had seen that image or something like it, which inspired me, but since Mail is hella heavy I opted for the vest, in my mind anyway. I don’t have the time to sit and craft Mail.
After this:
I nevermore had any desire to wear chainmail. The modern crap was heavy enough – but to add pants to it as well??
How did it hold up against Arrows, Switzy?
He never got to fight Jack Churchill to find out.
**Wolf whistles at Swiss**
I know this is an article about the revolution, but by the time Jack came around, the British were our allies…
One thing about the Brits; when they nickname someone ‘Mad’, that someone is gonna be completely off the hook…
Jack Churchill was a true bamf and probably could have whooped a Klingon
Jack Churchill was a true bamf and probably could have whooped a Klingon while wearing a skirt
Read that a shirt and immediately thought of a topless kirk fighting the gorn. Thanks RC
i make exceptions for band-camp
You won’t be laughing when the Mongols show up and he’s the only one with sufficient arrow protection.
Chainmail is mostly of use against cutting weapons. Arrows that can punch through are relatively simple.
“The Mongols ceased using horse archers as their primary military around the 1920s, and historically haven’t expanded successfully outside of their borders for hundreds of years. It’s also completely absurd that you’d think a 13th century Mongol horde would be present in 21st century Montana.”
-UnCivilServant, King of the No Fun.
I just assumed they were Central Asian re-enactors who decided to go for absolute authenticity.
Arrows that can punch through are relatively simple.
Hell, they made arrows (well, crossbow bolts, but maybe arrows, too) that could penetrate plate armor.
Well, the much-vaunted protection of plate and field plate was predicated on the expectation that an arrow would hit the plate surface at an angle, which was usually the case with archers, firing indirectly, although getting de-horsed in a charge was probably just as big a source of debilitating injury as getting an arrow in a limb.
When you look at historical field plate, there are plenty of places an arrow could plausibly enter – areas which were closed off in ceremonial plate, but with leather padding inside, the liklihood of a severe penetrating injury was low enough that you had plenty of other dangers to worry about, It’s certainly plausible that more than one ‘heavy’ succumbed to a well-placed bodkin-point arrow, but I doubt that it would have been a very common event.
Stupid Mongorrians!
*Waggles eyebrows*
Hey I have a Boiled Leather Scale Jacket that I made.
Course the difference was I was fighting in the SCA and not with foam larp weapons.
Getting hit full force with rattan on an unarmored area makes you appreciate real armor real fast
LARPing–even with fun old guns–always earns my ridicule
Its harmless fun. I don’t mind it at all, and don’t feel like I am in a position to ridicule anyone for their hobbies.
Requirements for those weapons from each colony’s militia system could be vague.
If only we could implement a complex regulatory scheme in order to make sure everyone’s weapons met the requirements.
“Must be capable of firing a projectile with sufficient force to kill a redcoat.”
… from behind.
40,000 Civil-War belligerents died fighting in the state of North Carolina…
… and all i got was this selfie
That was the most imposing person they could get to pose with their petty vandalism?
I can’t stop laughing at them. “Socjus in a nutshell – androgynous overgrown children railing against reality (in the form of history here)”
Yeah, pretty much. If that is what they can muster for what would have been a great photo op then their bruisers must be straight-up pansies. (no offense to any pansies here). I mean a wirey dude in a hoodie and mask would at least be a little more scary that that.
What a douche nozzle she is. I fully support the fact the Union crushed the so called CSA and have been uncomfortable with the fetish on Lee, Jackson and Stuart for decades. (Don’t get me started on Civil War battlestreamers for NG units that fought for the south.) But that monument wasn’t for a leader, it was for the common soldier and to stand on it like you accomplished something is goddamn tasteless.
Every time they say they are the “resistance” they are saying 100 million plus of their fellow citizens are either National Socialists or Vichy-ites.
I can see thinking well of Lee given he worked after the war for reconciliation between the North and South and between whites and blacks.
None of that wrongthink from you, shitlord!
Off to re-education and sensitivity training for you, my lad.
May I take my rifle?
After this display of familiarity with long guns? Hell no.
Great article, btw. Bravo.
After this display of familiarity with long guns? Hell no.
No camp for me then.
Great article, btw. Bravo.
Thanks!
She looks like the kind of person for whom this is the zenith of her accomplishments.
That’s a lot of gunt.
Some self-respect people, show it.
Damn, that is certainly…something.
Gilmore, I’d be very careful about calling that a ‘selfie’, because someone might think you took the picture.
Yowzer.
They would have fought a lot harder if they could have seen this in the future.
Some more cringe….
I’ll be the first one to say, Fuck the Confederacy, but this makes me sad. These assholes want to completely wipe out our history simply so they can feel safe and vindicate their bullshit opinions.
This is just masturbatory hooliganism. They’re insipid little pricks who are getting off on tearing down a statue that had no bearing whatsoever on their immediate lives. It’s SJW thrillseeking at its most pathetic.
Problem is, as time goes on, they’re going to get a taste for bigger and more dangerous game.
Reminds me of ISIS destroying all of the ancient archaeological sites around Iraq and Syria, because the heathen religions of the past are an affront to allah.
A whole gang of Winston Smith wannabes.
Actually, they’re the O’Briens.
Inept phrasing in my part – I should have said they were itching to take the vacancy unexpectedly created by Winston’s arrest.
There were never any vacancies at the Ministry of Truth.
/Minitruth.
Yes, and they will cry victim when they get hurt/someone hits back/actual penalties result and try and use that to their advantage as well.
“Its not victory they seek, but perpetual warfare”
Yup
All that signalling and desperate need for group acceptance is just sad. What does flipping off a statue accomplish? Who does it hurt? And the guys stomping on it and then looking around for approval make me pity them.
I mean, good thing we don’t need group acceptance, right guys?
In the town where I live in NJ and the town I grew up in MA, there are very monuments to the boys in blue. If a roving band of worthless hipsters tore one down, I would become violently angry.
As someone noted elsewhere, if “judging a person by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin” is a new racialist heresy, I eagerly await the desecration of Martin Luther King Jr. statue, what with him being an inauthentic Uncle Tom.
It’s coming, he also wasn’t good at intersectionality. It’s like the Boondocks episode they eat their own especially their old.
Are you trying make me a nazi, because that’s really starting to piss me off.
If it was a memorial to some general I wouldn’t much care. That was for the “Boys who wore the grey”. The poor slobs who fought that war and died in vast numbers.
It’s a cultural purge of deplorables, and they’re almost certainly deplorables.
Nothing better than a bunch of white people making sure they are cheering the loudest and making the most ostentatious displays.
Needs more police and water hoses.
Look at all that wonderful video, just begging to be introduced into numerous trials for vandalism and destruction of property . . . .
As if.
And, naturally, most of them look to be students, who will suffer no consequences from the university for committing felonies.
Sometimes, I hate this country.
Now you can all see why #6.2 is being strongly encouraged to study either abroad or somewhere *somewhat* immune to this shit, like Hillsdale.
Dude, they get college credit for that stuff now
That picture needs to be more blurry.
WNB
so, we had more than muskets?
You know who else used German Jäger troops…
Otto von Bismarck?
Finland?
This guy?
Where’s tha goddamn protein? FUCK!
Col Kramer at the Schloss Adler?
Napoleon? The Wurttembergers had two battalions in the War of the Fifth Coalition, and there were a few scattered around the Bavarian and Saxon corps as well. (I’m not sure the Fifth was the most interesting – tough to beat the Sixth – but it’s fascinating none the less.)
Idris Elba?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Publius_Quinctilius_Varus ?
WHERE ARE MY EAGLES?
I hate the fucking Eagles, man.
Your lies are a thin disguise, dude.
Whoa.
I have had a rough week and I really fucking hate the eagles.
/don’t cross the streams!
Ninja’d, but executed better.
The American Army during the Second World War? How many Army personnel were descended from German immigrants? I’m certain some were also hunters.
Baron Klaus Wulfenbach?
Thanks, Dan. What a great article!
You’re welcome! And thanks for the compliment.
Nice article!
Black powder weapons are a lot of fun. A friend of mine collects them almost exclusively since he finds modern firearms to be boring and passe–sort of a gun hipster. The most modern gun he owns is a Ruger Blackhawk; yeah he’s a nut.
Does he ride a horse to pickup his coal supply for the week?
Negative. He may be a redneck, but in order to own horses you have to be a redneck with money.
The house I grew up in had a coal furnace. It was delivered via dump truck.
I proofrad gud. “It” should be “The coal”.
Does he have a wheellock? Cause that would be pretty cool.
No. I’ve never seen one outside a museum.
Wheellock/mace combo.
“It’s too slow to reload, and heavy too.”
“That’s perfect, we’ll make it so you can hit them with it!”
It’s in the Tower of London. They have an amazing display of weapons. Firearms in the Tower of London.
There are pictures of breechloaders from the Henry VIII era. I’ve read they have a breech-loading gun which Henry VIII used for hunting.
Thanks!
Until I bought my Ruger 10/22, my newest rifle was a Lee Enfield No. 4 of post-war manufacture.
Stossel just released a pretty good video about Venezuela. No surprises, but it is nice to hear the unvarnished truth for once.
The kicker is Chomsky moaning about it’s not real socialism. Hey guy, you went there and Chavez pimped your book.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHTe2Pn7ACg
Lay off Chomsky. Who could have predicted that yet again a promising instance of socialism would degenerate into State capitalism?!?!? The poor socialists never can get a break!!!!
Chomsky is as much of a joke as Erlich now.
Chomsky is an idiot. The one thing hearing him speak did was remove whatever respect I used to have for the people who’d called him the smartest man in the world.
Moynihan, who, politics aside, is my favorite of the 5th column guys, takes every opportunity to expose Chomsky as a fraud and general dipshit
Today’s prog revenge fantasy brought to you by Current Affairs:
https://www.currentaffairs.org/2017/08/the-sleep-of-the-silicon-princes
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Thiel: Obviously I only like free speech when I agree with it. Or when people are saying nice things about me.
Mother: So it’s a libertarianism of convenience, then?
Thiel: DON’T MAKE FUN OF ME. I HATE WHEN PEOPLE MAKE FUN OF ME. I’ll get revenge on you, I swear. I’ll build a floating city of pure cold abstraction, and I won’t invite you in. I hate you.
Mother: Well. That’s a bit much, isn’t it?
Thiel: (kicks the cradleboard) I hate you. I hate that we have to act like you matter. Equality is a myth. A women’s myth. Women wrecked the world. Women hate freedom. Women keep us tied to the earth. I’ll build my floating city over the sea and hang a big sign on the gate: no girls allowed. We’ll have so much fun. We’ll have adventures and peer through shining stones into the deepest secrets of the mind. We’ll transcend you. We’ll build a perfect society in the ruins of your body. And we’ll live there forever, sustained by science that’s almost magic, the living blood of this stupid worthless world running eternally through our veins. We’ll be part of a story, a perfect story, where nothing ever happens.
Mother: Where “nothing ever happens”? Where history is over, and dead, and preserved forever? You see how that’s impossible, don’t you? You can’t stop events from happening. You can’t stop the messy, the imperfect, the unexpected –
Thiel: SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP! How DARE you keep talking after I told you to shut up? How much money do I have to spend to make you SHUT UP! SHUT UP! SHUT UP!
(THIEL keeps screaming and kicking the cradleboard. This goes on for several minutes. After some hesitation, The mother tips THIEL out of his cradle, through the open window, and into the night.)
Mother: Well. Guess I had to break an egg after all. But I still have hope for the rest of you. My clever, clever boys. So much promise, so much left to discover. Sleep now.
***
Libertarians are whiny brats; liberals are kindly mothers who sometimes murder their children.
Hoookay, not creepy at all.
Just a tad sophomoric.
Why does “Mother” sound in that last item sounds like she’s running a hatchery. And why are they all boys?
Because there are no female Silicon Valley CEOs, shitlord.
Her avatar on twitter is cats. Way to break the desperate lonely cat lady stereotype…
That’s some creepy ass projections right thar. Also I would have flunked my hs English classes for turning in such dreck
a boss somewhere accepted that as “work”?
Listening to some rockabilly radio on google play. Elvis is singing “Dixie” right now.
#ughsotriggered
Black powder weapons are a lot of fun.
Yeaaaah, no. I used to think I wanted a Navy Colt, until I found out what a gigantic pain in the ass black powder shooting is. I’ll stick with my smokeless cartridges, thanks.
This. The muzzleloader ROI after (a) the slow rate of fire (b) handloading each frickin’ shot and (c) cleaning the damn things during as well as after a stint at the range just isn’t there for me. I’ve never shot black powder cartridges, but you’d still have (c) with those, I would think.
YMMV, of course.
You do get your own hunting season some places though, in exchange for putting up with the mess.
Very informative article. Thank you for putting this together.
You do get your own hunting season some places though, in exchange for putting up with the mess.
I have a vague memory of Pennsylvania having separate muzzleloading and flintlock seasons fro deer.
Very informative article. Thank you for putting this together.
Thanks!
Without black-powder, you can’t play at this:
Fill yer hands you sumbitch!
Thanks, DEG – informative and readable piece – really enjoyed!
You’re welcome! Thanks for the compliment!
More gun history please!