I’m still super busy. I give you an empty links to play in.
I got nothing.
Badolph Hilter
TL;DR
Enough About Palin
Winner.
PieInTheSKy
Hey people were just getting to talk on the dreamhost thread. Also people were still talking coffee. This is no standard and I don’t like it. I mean without order what do we have? I’ll tell you what chaos.
robc
HAIL ERIS!
Brasidas
Worst chatroom ever?
Mad Scientist
Coffee and Dreamhosts living together!
Hyperion
It’s a thread about nothing. The one we’ve been waiting for. But like other times, waiting too long makes it just sort of meh.
Old Man With Candy
Brett prematurely ejaculated. I’ll clean up the mess and show everyone his boner at the usual time.
John Titor
So I’m wondering when Stossel is going to get unpersoned by TOS like Brendan O’Neil did after writing an article titled “Plenty of Science Shows That Men and Women Are Just Programmed Differently”. Might not happen because he’s too Big Name to get rid of, but still. I’m also enjoying that there’s plenty of new commenters complaining about articles ‘defending’ the memo. That’s your new audience Reason, enjoy it.
AlexinCT
Don’t harsh the narrative!
Vhyrus
*in his best palpatine impression*
Yeessss….. feel the TDS flow through you….. take your keyboard, strike down Stossel, and your journey to the prog side will be… complete!
RBS
there’s plenty of new commenters complaining about articles
That pretty much sums up the comments section over there for at least the past 5 years.
DOOMco
Hs Video on Venezuela holds no punches. It could be fun to watch.
I won’t go there anymore though.
DOOMco
his
Hyperion
State capitalism, I didn’t say that was good!
Suthenboy
Bam!
Stossel knows how to hit them out of the park.
Somalian Road Corporation
Haha, that Oliver Stone useful idiocy clip: “taking a critical look, at an extraordinary movement…” Yeah, you folks were real fucking critical of the Chavistas, that’s for sure. I notice the absolute cacophony of voices I used to hear all the time singing the praises of Venezuela before the socialists ran out of other people’s money never say a fucking peep about just how Maria Chavez managed to attain a net worth of $4.2 billion dollars.
Ayn Random Variation
Lol @ Chomsky blaming the wreckers and kulaks…
Gilmore
I’m wondering when Stossel is going to get unpersoned by TOS like Brendan O’Neil did
– when did they do that to O’Neil? and how does that work, exactly, when Brendan is the editor of his own publication? Un-personing, imo, would be dumping a full-time writer and never saying why they had departed (e.g. that person we’re not supposed to talk about)
– i recall people saying the same things about Harsayani for a while: “he’s been ousted because he’s too-conservative”. But then he reappeared frequently.
– why would they have published it in the first place if they objected to the content? I didn’t really read the comments on that one, so i don’t know how it was received (with the exception of one person who i provided a link to some similar stats)
John Titor
O’Neil was being published pretty much weekly until February, and he’s vanished since. I emailed Gillespie about it, just asking if he’s coming back or gone for good and never got a response.
As to the third point, like I said, Stossel is Big Name.
Gillespie is too busy making a solid six figures shrieking that literally everything is racist on Twitter for prog approval, in between dumping another load of dreck on the Reason frontpage, to respond to the plebs.
Gilmore
I emailed Gillespie about it, just asking if he’s coming back or gone for good and never got a response.
Don’t hold your breath. Matt or Suderman would generally reply to me within a few days if i had a question, which happened maybe half a dozen times. Gillespie never once responded to a similar # of queries.
bacon-magic
I’ve emailed the Jacket, Ed, Robbie and Scott and gotten responses. Kat ManGoo and some others didn’t bother replying.
I can’t even look at swedish in print without hearing the swedish chef freaking out in my head and I start laughing uncontrollably.
Fatty Bolger
Archaeologists do not give away or sell the bargain because they do not want to create a market for antiques and encourage robbers with metal detectors, says Runer. Thus: the bin.
***FACEPALM***
Drake
Yes – why even dig it up if they are going to toss them? Are they looking for dinosaur bones? Or would they toss them out too?
Fatty Bolger
It’s a matter of limited funding, apparently. But they would rather destroy them than allow them to be sold.
Florida Man
“We don’t have any money.”
“We could sell some stuff.”
“No, that would only encourage people to give us more money.”
Drake
Perhaps hey ought to spend those limited fund to curate the stuff they have…
Hyperion
Umm, yeah, that’s not true. I’ve known some of the less activist ‘It’s our shared heritage!’ types, who admit that they actually do hide and sell stuff, all of the time.
There are literally three people in my Facebook friends who I mostly agree with politically, but we can have a civilized discussion on the areas where we disagree. One of them just waded into a discussion about banning Confederate statues. It’s real ugly. Poor guy.
:: doffs cap, lowers eyes ::
Pan Zagloba
*presses F to show respect*
Pope Jimbo
Remember when we used to make fun of the Russian Commies and their tendency to airbrush bad people out of their history? We all laughed because we would never do something like that in the good old USA.
Now we seem determined to destroy any history that might remind people that wrongthinkers existed.
Pope Jimbo
BTW, if the current bastards were successful in erasing all references to anyone who fought in the Civil War (or owned slaves), what would happen to the argument that blacks are getting fucked by the mere memory of their roots in slavery?
Could they sue for reparations without triggering a shit ton of proggies?
DOOMco
Can I steal that for twitters?
Pope Jimbo
What are you some commie? Fuck it, send me an orphan every time you tweet one of my awesome ideas!
DOOMco
IP is fake news!
One orphan is on the way. You don’t need them to be able to hear, right?
Gadfly
You don’t need them to be able to hear, right?
He failed to specify. Like a good capitalist, you should interpret the contract in your favor wherever it lacks specificity.
Dr Mossy Lawn
They will say that they aren’t erasing them, just no longer celebrating them.
kbolino
It’s unusually honest of the Progressive Left to admit that they used to celebrate racists…
On one side, you see, you have white nationalists and neo-Nazis carrying assault weapons and advocating for a white, Christian, fascist ethno-state in America. On the other side, you have people who would prefer not to be systematically exterminated. Both are equally bad! To put it another way, on one side, you have the guy who law enforcement officials say deliberately ran a woman over with his car and the people who are celebrating her death. On the other, you have the woman who got run over by the car. Both are to blame! (By the way, if you are a good liberal grousing about how some anti-fascists are “just as bad” as fascists, you are riding Trump’s wake on this logical highway.)
It’s a fucking nuthouse with typewriters.
* this was probably transcribed from the original fecal fingerpainting on the cave wall.
RBS
For some reason I read that in Lionel Hutz’s voice.
Mythical Libertarian Woman
On the other side, you have people who would prefer not to be systematically exterminated.
And express this by dressing up like ninjas and hitting people over the head with clubs, bricks, bike locks, etc… Definitely innocent little lambs there.
thrakkorzog
If you’re wearing a Che shirt whil waving a hammer and sickle flag you’re not actually against murderous ideologies, just one of them in particular.
Juvenile Bluster
Just accidentally put this in the Dreamhost thread, copying back here. This is actually something that was said to me by a friend (well, now ex-friend) after I defended the free speech of Nazis and said anti-fa is bad.
Andy, you can shout to the rooftops that you’re not in the middle, and that you are wholly against the Nazis (and I do believe that you believe this). Yet every single time someone posts something negative about them I see you right there, doing just what Trump did, talking about how the other side did bad too. Every goddam time. You may do it in a nicer more reasoned way than Trump, you may actually denounce the Nazis in your posts unlike Trump. But you’re still there doing it.
You know how an apology isn’t really an apology if you say “I’m sorry, but…”? That’s what you’re doing, every time. “Yes, yes, the Nazis are bad, evil people, I’m jewish don’t ya know, but…” I think you should take a long hard look in the mirror. Because you’re not nearly as anti-Nazi as you think you are, based on what you write.
Vhyrus
We now know your real name.
RELEASE THE DOXX!
Juvenile Bluster
I’m pretty sure that everyone here (well, the former Reason regulars) know my first name.
Emmerson Biggins
I don’t. Maintain good OpSec. Need to know.
Vhyrus
The nazis are bad, to be sure…
wdalasio
But, that wasn’t real Nazism. They just did it wrong. Now if they just…
/do I even need to?
Hyperion
Those were state nazis, not real ones, it will work next time!
Private Chipperbot
Andy
Let the doxxing begin!
trshmnstr
*Starts whistling while going fishing with Ron Howard*
Badolph Hilter
With friends like that…
Badolph Hilter
I’m a bit disappointed it wasn’t phrased as “objectively pro-Nazi”.
Juvenile Bluster
After my sarcastic response (“oh yeah, I’m totally a Nazi, you should see my armband”), I was told he wasn’t calling me a Nazi.
It’s getting impossible for people to understand the premise ‘I may not agree with a word that you say, but I’ll fight to the deat your right to say it’.
We live in an era of mental midgets
The Other Kevin
What Nazi fascist said THAT?
DOOMco
…Hitler?
Just Say’n
Chris Cantwell?
Stinky Wizzleteats
He was on the Part of the Problem podcast Tuesday (I think). It was interesting stuff.
Private Chipperbot
Get the torches! No wait. Only Nazis do that!
Drake
“I may not agree with a word you say, but I’ll fight to the death to make you shut up.”
Tundra
I just deactivated Facebook.
Bravo. Well done.
Pan Zagloba
“I didn’t call you a Nazi, I called you a Nazi apologist! Sympathizer at worst!”
John Titor
“No, I didn’t call you a Nazi, you’re just a Judenrat, you filthy collaborator!”
(I actually saw a video of a lefty on a train accusing a latino guy of that because he told him to shut up when he was screeching at everyone about Trump)
You know that feeling you’re feeling? A sort of relief, along with a sense of lightness, as if your MIL just called you to cancel dinner, or your boss called you on a beautiful, sunny morning to say that the office is closed for the day due to a gas leak? That’s what people who don’t use Facebook feel like. All. The. Time.
Waterfall Insurance
Your friend probably thinks you fled Facebook to Daily Stormer.
butt-head
No, see, you’re not a Nazi, you’re just complicit in the atrocities of Nazism, since you’re not virtue signaling super hard!
Your ex-friend is a hero, though. Thank him.
Fatty Bolger
An anti-Nazi purity test? Really?
Idle Hands
This has always been the end game for both the Nazi’s and the left. The left has been tarring Trump and his supporters as deplorable trogladytes from the jump. The Nazi’s just want to be legitimized and be recognized. Mission accomplished, It’s over the SJW’s and left are going to win this fight. It’s going to get scary.
Juvenile Bluster
It’s not even about tarring Trump and his supporters. This person knows I’m a minarchist libertarian who can’t stand Trump.
It’s about tarring anyone who doesn’t think exactly like the progressive left as deplorable troglodytes.
Stinky Wizzleteats
The noninsane people in this country hate the far left just as much as they hate the far right and realize they’re more of an actual threat. Don’t lose your head over this.
Somalian Road Corporation
Just wait. The insane people managed to seize almost the entirety of public education, academia and mainstream media. Talked with a public school teacher recently?
trshmnstr
This.
The “noninsane” people are apathetic and apolitical, but they tend to be quite malleable (thus the problem with education and media being overrun by totalitarians)
thrakkorzog
The commies had a much tighter control of the media and education in the Iron Curtain days and the average man on the street still recognized that everything Pravda said was BS.
Emmerson Biggins
I also gotta agree with SRC. Unfortunately.
Sean
The left just can’t see past their smug little echo chambers to see how offensive they are to a large swath of the American population. More people are going to get hurt and Trump is going to get reelected.
Michael
Damn. That struggle session goes to eleven.
wdalasio
I’ve found the same situation in a number of Derbbook discussions. Honestly, there’s only one way to respond. Ask them if they can bring themselves to denounce the IWW and its influence in Antifa. Ask them if they can denounce communism in no uncertain terms. No “…but socialism…”, no “these communists are bad, but….”, no “it isn’t even comparable”. Ask them if they can say, simply, “Communism is evil and those advocating it really don’t deserve to be taken seriously in American politics”. Neither I, nor any libertarian or conservative I know has any problem saying precisely that about Nazis. Every fucking time that I’ve challenged one of the people making these arguments to say the same about communism, they either obfuscate or cut the conversation off. Every. Fucking. Time.
bacon-magic
Well put.
Tundra
Probably a Nazi, though.
bacon-magic
Nein! Oh you didn’t mean me…
Trigger Hippie
I…I need a break. The level of derp you all have shared over the past week is sending my misanthropy into overdrive. I’m genuinely beginning to walk around angry all freakin’ day.
If you or the good people who run the joint see any comments from my handle before Friday evening at the earliest, cat-ass me.
Trigger Hippie
Holy thread fail.
Sorry.
Lackadaisical
You heard him, cat-ass him. 😛
Michael
Damn, that’s good. I’m definitely noting this for future reference.
wdalasio
Thanks.
I really wish it weren’t a real thing. Honestly, I can’t tell you how surprised I am to see so many acquaintances simply can’t bring themselves to say that communism is evil. I really wish I could find common ground that we can agree that both ideologies are evil. I mean, from my thinking, that should come naturally. But, I’m surprised at the number of people pulling this crap. And I’m surprised that the proportion who fail this test approaches 1.
Emmerson Biggins
Thats pretty good. If I ever stroke out and my wife and kids make me get a facebook page, I’ll remember that as I’m using my mouth joystick.
That sounds more harsh than I really meant it to be. Read it funnilly if possible.
The inability to recognize any argument other than an ad hominem is going to doom us all.
Count Potato
“you may actually denounce the Nazis in your posts unlike Trump”
I still don’t see how Trump didn’t denounce the nazis.
This is what I’ve kept hearing that last few days:
“N and A are both bad.”
“How can you defend N?!?!”
Emmerson Biggins
did you just use the N word?
CatoTheElder
I really can’t understand why the left, the liberal, and the MSM cannot understand Juvenile Bluster’s argument. it’s really pretty simple.
— Nazis and white natiionalists are bad, m’kay? If you’re a national socialist or a white nationalist, you’re bad. Good people aren’t Nazis or white nationalists. Got that? It should be obvious. It should literally go without saying if we’re having a discussion in good faith. Are you sure you understand that? Okay, we’ll go on to the second point.
— Everybody has the rights of free speech and free assembly, even Nazis and white nationalists. The 1st Amendment guarantees these rights to Americans.
— The initiation of violence is bad, m’kay? If you initiate violence, you’re bad. Good people don’t initiate violence. Got that? Are you sure you understand that? Okay, we’ll go on to the fourth point.
— It is not a crime to be a bad person — even to be a Nazi or a white nationalist. It is a crime to initiate violence. It is a crime to credibly threaten violence.
— If A initiates violence against B because A thinks B is a bad person, A commits a crime even if B is a Nazi or a white nationalist.
— If A threatens violence against B to suppress B’s freedom of speech and freedom of assembly, A is violating B’s rights, even if B is a Nazi or white nationalist.
— Every time antifa assembles, it does so to threaten to initiate violence against people they don’t like. Antifa’s activities are criminal.
— If you interpret that as a defense of Nazis or white nationalists, go back and re-read the first point. It’s obvious you are not discussing this topic in good faith, or that you are the real fascist. Or, maybe you’re just an idiot.
Are you an anarcho-capitalist? Did you support Ron Paul? Guess what- you’re a Nazi. Hard to differentiate between cosmos and the Left anymore
John Titor
Like I said with Reason, aiming to be the lowest rung on the progressive ladder is probably a poor strategy.
Pan Zagloba
I love how offended they were by Democracy in Chains – if you want to prog, you gotta learn to self-criticize!
Negroni Please
lol I like that he implies Trump is some kind of Rothbardian Messiah. Yeeeeaaaahhh dude.
Vhyrus
This is the thing about progs, they think Trump is literally Hitler, and they think they proved it this past weekend, so now they can move onto phase 3: tying things to Trump is now equal to tying things to Hitler in their mind.
wdalasio
This is the thing about progs, they think Trump is literally Hitler,
I’m not convinced at all that they do. If they did, they wouldn’t be posing their fearless opposition on Twitter. They’d be making arrangements to immigrate. They’re convinced that if they screech this loud enough, people will either believe them or indulge them to get them to shut the hell up.
Stinky Wizzleteats
A lot of it is retarded social signaling and just trying to force their views down another’s throat but the stupider among them may believe it.
kbolino
Hard to differentiate between cosmos and the Left anymore
I believe the entire point of the “Niskanen Center” from day one has been to eliminate the distinction by purging most of the “icky” parts of libertarianism.
Enough About Palin
That reminds me, any one else get a letter from Allie Howell? She states that Reason taught her about Libertarianism. I want to write her back to tell her, no. No they didn’t.
Pan Zagloba
I just skimmed the first page, with “brother, I was Conservative once, but then I saw the light…” theme, but she seems nice (and totally not made up) so I’ll give it a fair read tonight.
Yes, a lot of paper wasted. I do like the Reason Foundation Pension/Transportation items I still receive even though I haven’t donated for the past two years.
I am amazed at the amount of paper and postage that Reason has spent on me for the measly donations I gave them, there is no way they are ahead on this deal, reminds me of when I had ten dollars worth of stock and the company sent me a proxy report every year. Thing weighed five pounds and was embossed and gilded and all full colored to the nines.
bacon-magic
Cato sent me a pewter coin and I’ve never donated to them. Suckers.
Waterfall Insurance
It’s like unemployment they need to show the Koch’s they are looking for work.
Emmerson Biggins
Ditto. Well the sending part. I did actually donate to them in 1990-something.
I really took the pewter coin thing as an extra insult. “HELLO, I’m one of the hard money anti war assholes you excimmunicated after 9/11, fuck you forever”
“Over the past few days we’ve received multiple reports of the NFLPA spreading derogatory information to the media about the victim in Ezekiel Elliott’s discipline case,” the NFL said in a statement. “It’s a common tactic to attempt to disprove the innocence of the accused by discrediting the victim – in this case Ms. Thompson – when coming forward to report such abuse. Common or not, these tactics are shameful. Efforts to shame and blame victims are often what prevent people from coming forward to report violence and/or seek help in the first place.”
Didn’t the cops say this girl was full of it, but the NFL decided to suspend him anyway?
Idle Hands
This is going to go badly for the NFL and the accuser. Allegedly there are text messages from the girl suggesting that she was going to ruin his carreer and that nobody would believe him because he was black and she was a white woman.
Florida Man
Believe HER!
*sobs uncontrollably*
The Late P Brooks
I give you an empty links to play in.
Plenty of lebensraum elbow room. Comfy.
Pope Jimbo
Is there nothing that the race card doesn’t improve?
“We decided that we needed to take matters into our own hands,” said Charles Rodgers, organizer and South High assistant golf coach. “This is the only course that allowed black people to play 60 years ago. All of a sudden, you’re going to kill history? Nine white commissioners decided to say black history did not matter.”
Negroni Please
Compromise: Re-open it for one month every February.
They are already violating the law by pumping 200M gallons of water out of the course. They only are permitted to pump 36.5M gallons by the DNR. Wonder how well this would have went over if this had been a private developer pumping that much water out?
Emmerson Biggins
Why do black people from 60 years ago hate mother earth so much?
Echo Chamber
So it’s a battle of blacks vs environmentalists. Time to get more popcorn
RBS
So now they are worried about killing history.
Bobarian LMD
They should rename it as the Nathan Bedford Forrest Memorial GC and put up a statue…
Might speed things along?
Waterfall Insurance
And so begins the national historical registery of first x does y.
Just Say’n
To be fair, there argument is virtually no different than people defending confederate statues that were only put up 70 or 80 years ago. There’s merit to both arguments (this one probably more so)
Just Say’n
*their argument
Bob
No it’s not. Statues exist for historical purpose, golf courses don’t. The statues are being torn down in some bizarre attempt to undo history, the golf course isn’t.
DenverJ
I gotta keep disagreeing with this. Statues are not put up for historical reasons. They are not the wax museum. Statues are put up to honor people, and I think this is self evident, so the constant “erasing history” thing is bunk. This is why statues of Lenin were torn down, as well as statues of Saddam Hussein. There are statues of Washington and Lincoln, but not Benedict Arnold or Charles Manson.
RAHeinlein
The first paragraph of the article states “…one of the first Minneapolis courses that welcomed African-Americans.” I’m curious to what extent golf-courses were white-only in Minnesota?
Suck it Portland. We are gonna make you fuckers look like the Alt-right with all our good think.
One idea that’s attracted attention is turning the site into a food forest. A petition to establish the “Hiawatha Food Forest” has garnered almost 3,000 signatures.
The Hiawatha Ecological Park and Food Forest would, according to its website, be surrounded “by a large park where almost everything is edible. Mixed-use trails meander past trees heavy with apples, pears, plums and cherries. Families enjoy blueberries, raspberries and hazelnuts while overlooking a playing field. Herb gardens, salad greens and wildflowers connect to art installations celebrating cultures and histories. Grapevines shade picnic tables while sunflowers stand proud next to play grounds.”
Moreover, it would serve as a foraging forest, with an open harvest policy that would “welcome everyone to harvest what they need. Community partnerships could ensure excess food goes to those who need it most.”
Tundra
*researches property in South Dakota*
Pope Jimbo
Actually if you read the response from the Park Board member, she is sort of sensible. She cautions that you have to consider the upkeep costs.
I think that there is a lot of prog hate for the park board here because they are independent of the usual machine politics. They have their own taxes, elections and board.
I deal with them a few times a year and they are suprisingly easy to work with. Most low level employees can make decisions and they get that they are there to make taxpayers happy.
DenverJ
You are talking nonsense. Government employees exist to make tax payers happy? Madness, absolute madness. Next, you’ll be telling me that governments are instituted among men to protect life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Spartan Dad
There is a legit concept behind the food forest and I’ve seen them implemented with great effect on private property. I’d like to put one in myself on our property when I have the time. It’s part of the permaculture concept of land development which can be an incredibly effective method of working smarter, not harder. See Joel Salatin at Polyface farms for probably the best example of permaculture done well. There’s plenty of charlatans too though.
Moreover, it would serve as a foraging forest, with an open harvest policy that would “welcome everyone to harvest what they need. Community partnerships could ensure excess food goes to those who need it most.”
Now every single food forest I’ve head of on public land, without exception, has immediately been stripped bare and failed miserably.
Vhyrus
You know those “take a penny, leave a penny” dishes? How come the ones in the ghetto are always empty?
Florida Man
Because EBT is cashless?
DOOMco
Ok, I apparently can’t remember what song has “What’s change, when i’m trying to save up for the Range” in it. Google doesn’t either. I thought it was handsome Boy Modeling school…
fuck it. now I have no link and this post is pointless.
Will they let people make gin from the juniper berries?
Echo Chamber
Remember to only pick things above waist height.
wdalasio
I’m a reasonable guy. How about a national compromise. They keep the park open and bring in the confederate statues. I’m sure they’ll love it since they’re all about protecting history.
Pope Jimbo
Maybe some sort of mini-golf mashup. You have to putt into the ass of Gen. Lee’s horse and it comes out his mouth into the hole?
mr simple
We decided that we needed to take matters into our own hands
I saw a movie like this. What was the name again…La Bamba.
Michael
For any of you longing for a heart warming reprieve from this week’s general retardation, I humbly suggest checking out Piers Morgan getting his buttery British ass royally handed to him by none other than Ben Shapiro on Twitter right now.
Vhyrus
POST LINKS DAMMIT!
Michael
He’s taking it from so many sides, I really don’t know where to begin. Okay, here’s Talib Kweli with the Chuck D rope-a-dope:
I can never follow twitter conversations. Who is talking to whom?
Mad Scientist
Think of it like this. You go to a ball game and you see a guy in the stadium wearing a shirt that says something on it. So you put on a shirt that says something in response to that guy’s shirt while you’re wandering around the stadium. Then someone puts on a shirt that says something about your shirt. You may or may not ever see that guy, but he doesn’t care because he isn’t wearing the shirt for you to see. He’s wearing it so other people he doesn’t know will see him wearing it.
mikey
Thanks it now makes sense -kinda. I’ve right in avoiding it.
In March, Mines was one of several national-security experts whom Foreign Policy asked to evaluate the risks of a second civil war—with percentages. Mines concluded that the United States faces a sixty-per-cent chance of civil war over the next ten to fifteen years. Other experts’ predictions ranged from five per cent to ninety-five per cent. The sobering consensus was thirty-five per cent. And that was five months before Charlottesville.
The acceptance of violence and the inevitability of it coming to a head is becoming ingrained in the social consciousness. This lady completely misses the reasons why it has gotten to this point, but she feels the same violent undercurrent everybody else does.
Negroni Please
WTF? How do you even begin to quantify such a question? That is pure retardation.
I imagine the ghost of John McLaughlin yelling “WRONG!” at all of them.
Fatty Bolger
Heh, that’s beautiful.
Gustave Lytton
+1 BUUY BYE!
DenverJ
McLaughlin did? Oh, that’s sad.
Akira
Lefties love to wrap everything up in science-like language to give it a facade of legitimacy.
I’m reminded of a discussion I had with a “progressive” about whether or not Democrat policies actually helped the poor. I obviously claimed that they didn’t, and he replied, “Actually, I read a study that showed that Democrat policies help the poor, but Republicans are better at convincing people that their policies help the poor even when they don’t.”
It’s a big problem when people think that the same exact methodology for both physical sciences and social sciences.
Somalian Road Corporation
I used to take part in studies like that all the time for beer money on Mechanical Turk. They’re just as accurate as the sociology grad student in their 20s with Bernie or Hillary posters in their home wants it to be… so they’re basically all obviously biased trash that should have been spiked by an overseeing professor, if that professor didn’t also share their biases.
kbolino
Actually, I read a study that showed that Democrat policies help the poor, but Republicans are better at convincing people that their policies help the poor even when they don’t
I’m sure they didn’t just cherry-pick certain polices and covered the entire slate of commonalities between Democrat-governed areas and Republican-governed areas, and they didn’t just define success as “we gave him $500 and now he has $500 that he didn’t have before”.
Akira
Hell, the supporters of Obamacare touted the number of new Medicaid signups as a measure of success, so it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if the “study” was nothing more than “a lot of people have signed up for this program, and this program helps people, therefore we have helped a lot of people“.
kbolino
Yeah, that was a fun one. “We expanded Medicaid eligibility, we forced eligible people to sign up for it, and what do you know, many of them did just that”.
kbolino
s/between/among/
as in, “the things that are common to all Democrat-governed areas vs. the things that are common to all Republican-governed areas”
Florida Man
I put it at less than %1. What do I get when I’m right?
bacon-magic
Brett needs catbutted.
The Late P Brooks
Like I said with Reason, aiming to be the lowest rung on the progressive ladder is probably a poor strategy.
Libertarianism with training wheels.
Bobarian LMD
Except it just seems to be training wheels, now days.
Emmerson Biggins
Progs with training wheels is how I see it. Hopefully I’m wrong.
Look, I’ve said good things about Trump, and I’ve even tried to indulge the pretense that If Only Trump Knew What Sessions Was Doing…
But no more.
In this particular context, and with relation to this particular issue, fuck Donald Trump. Fuck you, you New York City values-having Democrat in drag, fuck you right up the ass with your wife’s dildo, you cocksucker.
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…not to mention adulterer, rent-control-sympathertic cuck (as long as it doesn’t affect your high-end apartment rentals), and highway-robber (via Sessions whom you appointed).
…about 95% of my posts have been sympathetic to you, but the other 5% are to remind the reader that you’re a political hermaphrodite, an enemy of marriage on the personal and political level, someone who is only tolerable in comparison to Democrats and squishy Republicans, which is like if you ran int he Special Olympics and won because everyone else is a retard, so fuck you and your racist housing having father (who for the sake of charity I will assume was actually your father) and fuck the political establishment for making you look good in comparison to them.
John
Trump is responsible for everything Sessions does. Trump hired him and by doing that endorses everything he does. Sessions’ position on asset forfeiture is appalling. There is no defending it and it is a blot on Trump’s entire Presidency. Sadly, there is zero chance of him ever paying any political price or any political pressure to change that, because the media is too busy virtue signaling about how Trump doesn’t hate Virginia Nazis enough.
That’s why, someone “OMG Trump and his Nazis want to deny health care,” I’m like “fuck you for putting me in the position where I have to defend this cocksucker yet again, simply because he’s less of a cocksucker than you are, and it’s so important for the public for you to lose that sometimes I need to want Trump to win.”
Just Say’n
Lord, what foul language
Florida Man
Something cracked inside Eddie…
bacon-magic
Eddie has snapped. Quick get the rosary and some holy water!
Florida Man
I need an old priest and a young priest or just Keanu Reeves.
The Sandusky, Ohio, amusement park that’s known for its breathtaking and hair-raising roller coasters said Wednesday it will open the world’s tallest, fastest and longest hybrid roller coaster — called Steel Vengeance — next year.
RBS
“Steel Vengeance-Official POV”
I’m pretty I’ve seen that video on xHamster.
Bobarian LMD
Careful, you’ll put out an eye!
Enough About Palin
In response to CNN’s “Four Confederate Monuments were taken down in Baltimore overnight as result of a city council vote”
Oh great, now where are all the pigeons supposed to shit
– Iowahawk
John
I asked someone today to tell me how someone like Toulouse Lautrec (cultural appropriator!!) or Henri David (supporter of white supremacy and French colonialism) doesn’t run afoul with SJW dogma just as much or more than any Confederate general. They had no answer. It is just a matter of time before these animals go after the rest of Western Art.
Tundra
They really are the fucking Taliban.
Enough About Palin
Funny thing is, both the Alt-right and the Alt-left hate Jews and Israel.
bacon-magic
Stupid is as stupid does.
DenverJ
To be fair, pretty much everybody hates Jews.
(((I keed, I keed)))
Enough About Palin
We need to de-name every building named after the late Senator Robert Byrd.
Outrage at Museum of Fine Arts Boston Over Disgraceful “Dress Up in a Kimono” Event
Japonisme, after all, was the result of Western aggression.
A group called Stand Against Yellow-Face @ the MFA is organizing protests against what it calls “cultural appropriation and orientalism.” Demonstrators have taken to the galleries with signs brandishing messages like “Try on the kimono [and] learn what it’s like to be a racist imperialist today!”
Stand Against Yellow-Face complains that the activity has no edifying component.
“There is no education from curators or staff on the painting itself, nor the ‘orientalism’ that was occurring at the time, nor is there any sort of education on the kimono itself,” says the group. “The act of non-Japanese museum staff throwing these kimonos on [passersby] as a ‘costume’ event is an insult not only to our identities, experiences, and histories as Asian-Americans in America, but affects how society as a whole continues to deny our voices today.”
John Titor
I’m sure the actual Japanese get a kick out of that, what with their habit of being some of the best cultural appropriators on the planet.
John
It is a certainty that not a single actual Japanese person is part of the outrage brigade over this. You can’t culturally appropriate anything but you of course claim to be outraged for people you have never met and know nothing about. It is fucking pathetic.
Vhyrus
Okay, that’s it. Get out the woodchippers.
John Titor
We have a brutal efficiency to our atrocities that the free helicopter rides people lack. Afterwards the woodchipper slomp is sold as high grade industrial fertilizer.
Vhyrus
Dog food, of course. Considering what most antifa eat, I can claim I feed my dog only an organic vegan locally sourced diet.
mexican sharpshooter
But can you claim its antibiotic-free?
Juvenile Bluster
Dude, you ever talk to those people? The venn diagram amongst anti-vaxxers and people who refuse to take antibiotics is almost a single circle.
mexican sharpshooter
Not on this specifically. I did get a talking to from a lady cocerned I put my cell phone in my sons i fant carrier. Something about radiation.
Bobarian LMD
Why would you want to give your dogs diarrhea?
Nothing but greasy fat in that soup.
Tundra
I’m outraged!
bacon-magic
*drops culturally appropriated gloves*
RAHeinlein
Lautrec was differently-abled – he had a syndrome named after him – stop blaming victims!
mexican sharpshooter
Did they even know who these people were or are they doing what I am doing at this moment* and pretending to know who they are for sake of not looking like a complete idiot?
It’s Baltimore. Pigeon shit is generally an improvement.
Just Say’n
Judge Taney was never a confederate. He may have been a shitty judge that delivered one of the worst Supreme Court rulings in history, but he has zero relation to the confederacy. Which proves that this will not end with confederate statues
In a speech at the University of Ottawa, the minister pointed to Canada’s free-trade deal with the European Union as an example of the kind of “progressive” trade pact Canada wants to see in a new NAFTA.
Specifically, she pointed to strong labour safeguards, integrated environmental protections, a new chapter on gender rights to promote gender equality, a chapter dedicated to Indigenous people and reforming the investor-state dispute settlement process to ensure governments can pass regulations in the public interest without facing corporate legal action.
Freeland said those “progressive elements,” including labour standards, were important to maintaining popular support for free markets.
“Canadians broadly support free trade. But their enthusiasm wavers when trade agreements put our workers at an unfair disadvantage because of the high standards that we rightly demand. Instead, we must pursue progressive trade agreements that are win-win, helping workers both at home and abroad to enjoy higher wages and better conditions.”
Mr Trump, please make her cry. Euroweenies made her cry. You wouldn’t want to look weak compared to Euroweenies, would you?
John Titor
But Freeland, I thought you said that free trade agreements were evil contracts designed to oppress people by the Je…I mean capitalists, right, it’s the capitalists now.
That burn was so sick my communist manifesto caught fire.
John Titor
In Total War Warhammer news: FUCK YES MOTHERFUCKING SKAVEN. And they get DOOMWHEELS and HELL PIT ABOMINATIONS! I can’t wait to steal, eat and generally shit on the Old World.
/continues to furiously geek out
The Late P Brooks
An anti-Nazi purity test? Really?
If you haven’t outed a Nazi in the last fifteen minutes, you’re a Nazi.
That’s just how it works.
Juvenile Bluster
You’re also a Nazi if you say outright that Nazis are shit excuses for human beings but that responding to speech with actual violence is wrong.
Rufus the Monocled
Obama has most liked Tweet ever.
We’re done.
We lost.
John Titor
Orrrrrrrrr that might have something to do with Twitter desperately trying to become a Prog Echo Chamber and scaring others away.
Mad Scientist
The “most liked tweet” is the same as being the tallest midget.
Rufus the Monocled
Barack Obama ✔ @BarackObama
“No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin or his background or his religion…”
Things Obama didn’t say while he was in power when he had the chance for $400 Alex.
Old Man With Candy
“No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin or his background or his religion…”
Indeed, they learn it from people like your mentor Jeremiah Wright or your dear friend Al Sharpton.
Bob
I doubt that’s true, I would like to see some evidence. Venturing around people not like you could be deadly for much of history. In fact a good bit of history is people attacking others not like them. Given it’s ubiquity I would start with the assumption it’s evolutionary and see if it can be disproved.
Vhyrus
That’s not the worst part. The tweet in tweet in queestion? A word for word quote of Nelson Mandela.
He literally just reposted someone else’s words.
Suthenboy
The man is a useful idiot. The word ‘idiot’ is included in that label for a good reason.
He could eat a bologna sandwich, puke it into a cup, tweet a photo of it and it would likely get 2 million likes.
Schnirt Gurgleburger
Bullshit. There are way more elitists, racists, and fuckwits on this rock than that.
Akira
Wait wait wait…
Trump uses Twitter, and it’s undignified, boorish, and an insult to the seriousness of the presidency… But Obama uses Twitter, and it’s not only acceptable but simply amazing and scores him the most liked tweet ever?
I know there’s a distinction to be made between a current POTUS and a former POTUS, but let’s be honest, that’s not the issue here.
Drake
This article has maps that show exactly how purposefully the state police shoved the alt-right people directly into the path of the big antifa crowd, then stood back and admired the conflagration.
DOOMco
yep.
Somalian Road Corporation
Oh, this actually turned out to be true, then? Great. Just great. Can’t wait for it to happen again, ugh.
Suthenboy
I doubt the cops came up with that on their own
Michael
The Chicago PD often employs a tactic that involves dropping gang members off in rivals’ territories if they don’t cooperate, and needless to say the local (selective) civil rights activists are livid about it. I’d like to ask them how they feel about this sometime.
Spartan Dad
That’s really interesting. I noted on the morning thread about a video I watched about an armed militia group that was there. They were unaffiliated with the alt-right and only cared about the statues.
According to the accompanying commentary from a leftist group, one of the antifa leaders approached the militia group and asked if the group wanted safe passage out once things started getting violent. Antifa then talked to the cops and both Antifa and the cops made a path for the armed militia to get out.
I thought that showed coordination between antifa and the cops at some level. Also showed some sort of decision making element within Anitfa that they chose to engage the unarmed alt-right but wisely backed off the heavily armed militia group and even went to protect their safe passage from other members.
DenverJ
Really? That’s one smoking gun, there. Still for the link in your clipboard?
DenverJ
Still got the link? Stupid phone
Overdecadent Kulak
Afternoon Glibs! Longtime lurker, first time commenter. We discussed on the discord about forming a fantasy football league for those who weren’t able to be part of the official glibs league (or those who are and just want to play in another). Any ways, anyone is welcome, regardless of skill level or participation levels in the comments; just thought I would reach out here to see if anyone is interested.
Hyperion
Hi, Tulpa.
Gilmore
No one with a Lemmy avatar could possibly be Tulpa
Gustave Lytton
Tulpe would say that, right Tulpa?
bacon-magic
Gilmore is the •Tulpa
Hyperion
Tulpa always used a lot of bullets, I remember that.
Tundra
It’s our version of the Welcome Wagon. Someone calls the new guy ‘Tulpa’ and someone else tells him to fuck off.
It’s the perfect Tulpa disguise. Anyway, I thought that Hi Tulpa is regarded as the traditional Glibertarian welcome. I was going to say Fuck you Tulpa, but then I remembered it’s a family friendly site.
Mad Scientist
You guys keep assuming “family friendly” means something sweet and nice. What if it’s a rating for the Manson family?
EXCLUSIVE YAF VIDEO: Conservative Student Attacked For Wearing YAF Hat At Vigil For Charlottesville Victims
Do the various conservative and liberaltarian dumb asses who are downplaying how violent antifa is or in some cases outright denying it not think those animals are going to eventually attack them?
Vhyrus
I wish he had stabbed all four of them. I know I would have.
Tundra
John, the silly fuckers never think it will be them up against the wall.
DOOMco
Yes, they truly think that their version of libertarianism will never be tied to any other group, and therefore socially acceptable to beat them.
Vhyrus
I have heard straight from the horse’s mouth that libertarians are already enemy #1 for antifa because we absolutely will not bow to their shit and constantly call them on it. We’re first on the list.
Spartan Dad
They’re clearly not familiar with Firearms Friday.
wdalasio
That almost sounds like you’re advocating disproportionate force. Naughty, naughty, Spartan Dad.
Spartan Dad
Not at all, just pointing out that Liberatarians may not be such soft targets. Cosmos on the other hand…can’t help them.
Check out the baseball bat in the backpack. Advance two frame to the front view and note the sharp stake used for the sign.
Vhyrus
The sign handle could be coincidental, but I have a hard time believing that individual just came from little league practice.
Somalian Road Corporation
“White Silence is Violence.” Speech is violence, silence is violence… hmm.
R C Dean
“Welp, in for a penny, in for a pound”
*wraps baseball bat in barbed wire*
Vhyrus
+ 1 Lucille
Suthenboy
I love the sign “white silence is violence”
Waterfall Insurance
Ignorance is bliss-tering hate.
whiz
In the second frame, there is a large Democratic Socialists of America sign. The lady who was killed in Cville was a member of DSA and IWW (according to a DSA press release).
wdalasio
How you can look yourself in the mirror and call yourself a conservative or libertarian while excusing communists beating people in the streets is beyond me.
Gustave Lytton
LA Dog Train completely loses their shit, pretend objectivity, and any sense of reason
Dangit. I was hoping it meant that the LA Times had gone bankrupt.
Oh well, there’s always tomorrow. It shouldn’t be long.
antisthenes
I do think he misstepped by saying there were fine people on both sides. If the commies hadn’t shown up, it would have been the usual — nonviolent Nazis (not fine people, unless we’ve lowered the bar for that dramatically) versus nonviolent people opposed to Nazism (presumption of being fine people in the absence of evidence to the contrary). There might be fine people on both sides of the statue issue, but not so much on both sides of the white power rally.
DenverJ
Yeah, my understanding is that not everyone protesting the removal of the statue was a Nazi, so it’s possible there were fine people there.
I was thinking about this the other day, my son’s best friends are a little italian/redneck, a redneck/latino and a redneck/black kid. I only thought about because I constantly see my peers posting bullshit on facebook like the above and it is always from people who only spend time around other white people. I grew up in SC and in 35 years it has never occurred to me that I base my opinion of someone on anything other than whether they are an asshole or not. I mean, I do not know any racists my age that grew up here.
Vhyrus
How can a black kid have a red neck? FAKE NEWS!
RBS
His dad banged a redneck chick.
Vhyrus
that was a joke.
Vhyrus
This would be the south carolina between north carolina and georgia, correct? The same one where a random guy stopped his truck just to call me a nigger lover the first week I was there? THAT South Carolina?
Tundra
Well, it’s true, isn’t it?
Vhyrus
But ya fook just ONE goat….
mexican sharpshooter
Where in SC? I lived there for three years and somehow I never encountered that part of the population.
To be sure, I knew they were there, its just that towns with a military base have a large non-local population.
Vhyrus
I was upstate. It’s different there.
RBS
The upstate is… special.
mexican sharpshooter
Ah. There were some towns I was told not to go to. Especially with my not-mexican wife.
You can get that in any rural area, though. I’m not gonna go all armchair sociologist, but I think it’s just because in rural areas it’s much easier to pick and choose who you surround yourself with since the population density is so low. If you don’t like black people, you don’t have to interact with them. And, what’s more, you can spend all your time with people who feel the same way. You can be racist as shit and nobody whose opinion you care about will call you out on it, there aren’t really passers-by to call you out on it, and you probably aren’t spending time with black people you like enough to make you feel conflicted about it.
Obviously, you can switch the races to whichever two you’d like and I think the mechanism still works.
Tulip
Interesting, because I think in many small towns you are forced (because of lack of options) to interact and even socialize with people that don’t share your views. But in a city you can seek out the like minded and avoid those that disagree.
I don’t know if the tide is rising but I’ve known/know* racists of all ages, running from virulent to casual. I don’t believe racism is the biggest problem in the world** but I’m not going to stick my fingers in my ears and pretend it doesn’t exist either.
* Old family/friends can’t really unknow ’em even if they are assholes.
** or second biggest or third, forth, etc, and so forth.
antisthenes
I’ve definitely known racists, but if it’s becoming more common or socially acceptable, it’s only because the internet is making it easier for people to find out exactly how much racism the left tolerates within their own ranks (and how much misogyny and homophobia, via their affiliation with radical Muslims). If you think of liberalism more like a political version of the Geneva conventions, rather than a moral absolute, then some people are going to feel like chumps for being the last people following the rules and react badly.
Mad Scientist
The left doesn’t just tolerate racism. They actively encourage it.
R C Dean
Identity politics is core to the left now. Identity politics is racism. The left has legitimized identity politics and thus racism. QED.
Boat salesman once told me “you are going to spend the price of the boat in maintenance every ten years”
Stinky Wizzleteats
It’s a hole in the water you throw money into.
RBS
When I was working for a bankruptcy attorney I’d say about seventy percent of her clients owned a boat when they filed.
Mad Scientist
Makes sense. You don’t end up filing for bankruptcy because you make good financial decisions.
Tulip
When I first moved to DC I took sailing lessons and had fantasies of buying a boat. Then I decided I should find a cheaper hobby. You know, like snorting coke.
The two happiest days in a boat owner’s life are the day he buys it and the day he sells it.
DenverJ
I think the worst thing is that, if you have a boat, and are paying that kinda money, then you feel guilty if you don’t take the boat out every weekend. Wanna do something else? Nope, you’re paying too much for the boat, you have to take it out or you’re wasting money.
Slammer
THOT in the lynx is Thicc AF
The Late P Brooks
I just had a shirt idea.
IF I REALLY WAS A NAZI, YOU’D BE IN AN OVEN BY NOW.
It might need some work.
Vhyrus
Your mom’s a NAZI!
She’s in mein kampf right now.
kbolino
If I Really Was a Nazi,
You Wouldn’t Be the One
Throwing the First Punch
John
I like it pretty well as it is.
Slammer
“I went to Charlottesville and all I got was this Muh Narrative Tshirt”
Vhyrus
I went to Charlottesville and now I feel run down.
Rufus the Monocled
‘I’m with stupid’ Charlottesville t-shirt discounted!
Man are these “business leaders” resigning full of shit or what?
Fuck you!
/raises middle finger.
A Fuggin White Male
I was reading my Derpbook newsfeed, and for the first time in my life, I legitimately think I may see/be a part of a Civil War in my lifetime.
kbolino
I don’t see it happening. These people haven’t got the tenacity of the Tamil Tigers, never mind the organizational capacity of the Confederacy. Their street brawls are detestable but not likely to spill over into the population-at-large.
Civil unrest maybe, lots of police putting boots to protesters and demonstrators, but no actual civil war.
Somalian Road Corporation
All the mewling “but what’s wrong with being anti-fascist?” and “but what’s wrong with punching Nazis?” speech may not be violent, but it is violently offensive.
R C Dean
but what’s wrong with being anti-fascist?
Nothing, but all the people I see loudly claiming to be anti-fascist are pretty much the fucking fascists, as far as I can tell.
Suthenboy
They are marxists. They do what pinkos always do. They thought between obama and Hillary they would get utopia but America said no. Now they are trying violence.
They are going to lose.
John Titor
Street brawls are a very different beast from a civil war. Antifa would get rolled by any kind of professional forces. And the military would appear to be largely on one side of this.
I’m still saying that the more likely outcome is riots and 70s-style left wing terrorism.
Vhyrus
JT you keep ruining my civil war boner. Not cool man.
John Titor
What, you don’t want to see a naked Mattis wrapped in the American flag single-handedly eviscerate a crowd of hundreds of Antifa members?
Vhyrus
That depends… can I do it myself?
R C Dean
And the military would appear to be largely on one side of this.
Which side?
Because as far as I can tell, the cops in Charlottesville, Berkeley, etc. did pretty much what the leftist goons wanted. What would they do differently if they weren’t on the antifa side? They are the ones shutting down right wingers and enforcing the lefty heckler’s veto. They are the ones who, when someone is attacked at a press conference, remove the victim and leave the attackers to do a victory dance.
And, yeah, they are “just following orders” from their scumbag political masters, but isn’t that what the military does?
John Titor
Cops=/=Military, nor does their rather stupid moves recently imply they’re sympathetic to Antifa (although there’s certainly a group of people sympathetic above them). Cops shoot black kids with fake guns, you can’t tell me with a straight face that they’ll bow to Antifa if they’re directly attacked.
The military leans right, and is fairly pro-Trump, and fucking loves Mattis. Antifa are the shithead noodle armed rich kids they make fun of. Do the math.
R C Dean
Cops=/=Military I know, but I suspect that they lean conservative in about equal measure. The cops do what they are told by their lefty bosses, why would we expect the military to be any different? Would the cops hold off on antifa if directly attacked? I’d like to think not, but they have been attacked, and I don’t recall much in the way of retaliation or follow-through. In fact, I think the most likely response, since cops hate heading into danger, would be to back off (as they have) and give the antifa goons free reign. Which is all antifa needs.
All I’m saying is, its not a given that the military or the cops will be acting in opposition to the lefty goons. Remember, the National Guard is under the orders of the Governor. As long as antifa confines their activities to states unwilling to stand up to them, the National Guard won’t either, and that’s all they need to win.
John Titor
the National Guard won’t either, and that’s all they need to win.
Uh, no, that’s not ‘all they need to win’ if we’re discussing a civil war scenario, which is the entire point of this conversation. If a civil war scenario occurs, Antifa gets stomped by the army. Period. They’re a group of incompetent rioters that only exist because the powers that be have shown an unwillingness to stomp them. That is their only defense, and it disappears in a civil war scenario.
R C Dean
If a civil war scenario occurs, Antifa gets stomped by the army.
Not arguing, assuming they are ordered to stomp on Antifa. Who they get ordered to stomp on is entirely a function of who is in the White House. Trump would point them at Antifa, but do you seriously think any of the leading Dem contenders would if they were in the White House?
Vhyrus
We may need to define what we mean by civil war. If we are talking about concerted violent effort to overthrow a standing government, then the chances of that are low indeed. If, however, we are talking about massive prolonged civil unrest a la Rodney King or Katrina, then I say the chances of that are frighteningly high right now.
John Titor
You think the Dems are going to have a good shot at the Presidency while allowing insane left-wing rioters to attack people?
John Titor
If we get the ‘Rodney King’ scenario, it’s not going to be pretty for Antifa either. Because suddenly there’s going to be a lot more of those Korean guys with rifles, and they won’t be hanging out on their roofs either. If Antifa continues, their right wing equivalent will emerge. And probably be better at it than them, because they’re more likely to have vets and people familiar with firearms.
R C Dean
massive prolonged civil unrest a la Rodney King or Katrina
At some point, I think, the civil unrest would get so out of hand that even lefty politicians would have to intervene. Of course, I thought we passed that point some time ago.
Can the Dems win the Presidency with lefty riots going on around the country? I would have said “no way” as recently as a year ago, but our politics has become so unhinged the best I can come up with now is “mmm, probably not?”.
Note that the Repub establishment is falling over themselves to assist the lefty scum in this project. Who would the Repub establishment put up that would generate enthusiasm as an opponent to the lefty scum? I could see the Dems staying united enough to win against a divided field of opponents.
R C Dean
If Antifa continues, their right wing equivalent will emerge.
Its already happening. The question is, who will the armed agents of the state go after? So far, it hasn’t been antifa, its been their antithesis.
John Titor
Then their tactics evolve and we get more of an insurgency scenario. No matter how hard they come down on violent right-wing protesters they are not going to stop a guy who dresses up as an antifa member and drops a backpack bomb in the middle of their crowds.
DenverJ
Thread is full. This is in response to something above, can’t remember what because alcohol and pot, but most of the first motorcycle gangs, including SoS and hells Angels were started by vets, and have a hierarchical organization very remerant of the military.
R C Dean
Just to be clear – I don’t think we are anywhere near an actual civil war with competing claims on the legitimate government.
As far as enforcing public order, though, I don’t think the National Guard is likely to be all that much different from the cops. They get their orders from the same people, and if those people are lefty scum, they will act to advance the interests of lefty scum, as we just saw.
thepasswordispassword
As bad as Portland has gotten since I left, the cops have consistently come down hard on rioting in the city. At least that’s what I’ve seen from the videos. Might just be the exception that proves the rule but not all police departments in left wing cities are of the “let them burn it” persuasion.
R C Dean
the cops have consistently come down hard on rioting in the city.
I would like to think that the pro-antifa reaction is limited to handful of cities.
But then I see how many cities are doing as antifa demands and going after their own Confederate memorials.
Let’s just say there’s a dynamic at work now, it works in favor of antifa, and I don’t yet see any sign that it will change. I would not assume for one instant that law enforcement and the military will be ordered to oppose the left wing radicals, simply because so far the opposite has been the case.
thepasswordispassword
Military definitely has internal division but there were several reported cases of using Victorious Trump and Saint Mattis memes in lieu of official photos on the chain of command walls and the little incident of SEALs driving around town flying a Trump flag near Ft Knox in January. But as always it depends more on perceived legitimacy than anything else.
Scruffy Nerfherder
Charlottesville, like Berkeley, is a proggie haven, just more stuck up. I would not be surprised at all if the local pols coordinated with the police to get the protestors in hot water so they didn’t show up again.
wdalasio
Yeah, I was thinking a lot the same thing. The military isn’t going to line up in a violent coup against Trump. That puts them at his disposal. Any battle is like a hot knife through butter.
thepasswordispassword
Internet companies are continuing to purge wrongthinkers. Mailchimp dumped Milo and a few others. Cloudflare (anti-DDoS service) dumped Daily Stormer. Fun times ahead.
Earlier today Cloudflare terminated the account of the Daily Stormer. We’ve stopped proxying their traffic and stopped answering DNS requests for their sites. We’ve taken measures to ensure that they cannot sign up for Cloudflare’s services again.
This was my decision. Our terms of service reserve the right for us to terminate users of our network at our sole discretion. My rationale for making this decision was simple: the people behind the Daily Stormer are assholes and I’d had enough.
Let me be clear: this was an arbitrary decision. It was different than what I’d talked talked with our senior team about yesterday. I woke up this morning in a bad mood and decided to kick them off the Internet. I called our legal team and told them what we were going to do. I called our Trust & Safety team and had them stop the service. It was a decision I could make because I’m the CEO of a major Internet infrastructure company.
Having made that decision we now need to talk about why it is so dangerous. I’ll be posting something on our blog later today. Literally, I woke up in a bad mood and decided someone shouldn’t be allowed on the Internet. No one should have that power.
[Cloudflare employee’s name redacted] asked after I told him what we were going to do: “Is this the day the Internet dies?” He was half joking, but I actually think it’s an important question. It’s important that what we did today not set a precedent. The right answer is for us to be consistently content neutral. But we need to have a conversation about who and how the content online is controlled. We couldn’t have that conversation while the Daily Stormer site was using us. Now, hopefully, we can.
I’ll be publishing a blog post with all our thoughts on this issue in a few hours. Until then, I’d ask that you not talk about this externally.
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Matthew Prince
Co-founder & CEO
Pan Zagloba
The right answer is for us to be consistently content neutral. But we need to have a conversation about who and how the content online is controlled.
Holy shit, this is literally a thesis-antithesis in action. I’m actually curious how he achieves synthesis.
Gilmore
They should make him CEO of Google.
this is the sort of speech the Google guy SHOULD have made after shitcanning Demore. admit it was arbitrary and capricious, and a situation forced upon him by a media fanfare. then admit that the whole ‘diversity’ thing is a mess and has no clear ‘science’ or logic to it, but “fuck it” they’re sticking to their proggy guns anyway.
He would have actually been better received by both the left and right, and praised for his ability to navigate a complex political/optical problem
Scruffy Nerfherder
Many fans of the Hegelian dialectic will help him.
butt-head
The right answer is for us to be consistently content neutral. But we need to have a conversation about who and how the content online is controlled. We couldn’t have that conversation while the Daily Stormer site was using us.
Er, why not?
Now, hopefully, we can.
Surely there are many more to purge first.
R C Dean
Doesn’t “content neutral” mean nobody is having a conversation about how to control the content?
R C Dean
I just Binged (because fuck you, Google) “confederate grave” news, and got a wall of stories about how Confederate Memorials are being removed all over the country.
And what I was looking for was a story about how someone tried to dig up an actual gravesite. I’ll keep looking, but that news search was truly horrifying. We are devolving more rapidly than I thought as a nation.
R C Dean
Ah, here it is. Naturally, reported only overseas.
A group of protesters who want the body of an alleged Ku Klux Klan leader removed from their city have broken the soil over the grave.
The campaigners claim it has taken officials in Memphis, Tennessee, too long to exhume Nathan Bedford Forrest – who was a lieutenant general in the Confederate States Army.
They also want the statue of the soldier on a horse on the burial site to be removed. The rebel cavalryman, who died in 1877, has been buried in the city’s Health Sciences Park since 1904.
Somalian Road Corporation
Got to love it when it’s only the Daily Mail covering an American story.
Gilmore
re: graves
It was something i was considering writing to Shikha about when she said she hoped “All confederate memorials” be destroyed.
e.g. Does she plan to exhume the tens of thousands of confederate dead herself, or does she expect the state to do it on her behalf?
John Titor
“Ladies and Gentlemen I accept the flowers as a memento of reconciliation between the white and colored races of the southern states. I accept it more particularly as it comes from a colored lady, for if there is any one on God’s earth who loves the ladies I believe it is myself. (Immense applause and laughter.) This day is a day that is proud to me, having occupied the position that I did for the past twelve years, and been misunderstood by your race. This is the first opportunity I have had during that time to say that I am your friend. I am here a representative of the southern people, one more slandered and maligned than any man in the nation.
I will say to you and to the colored race that men who bore arms and followed the flag of the Confederacy are, with very few exceptions, your friends. I have an opportunity of saying what I have always felt – that I am your friend, for my interests are your interests, and your interests are my interests. We were born on the same soil, breathe the same air, and live in the same land. Why, then, can we not live as brothers? I will say that when the war broke out I felt it my duty to stand by my people. When the time came I did the best I could, and I don’t believe I flickered. I came here with the jeers of some white people, who think that I am doing wrong. I believe that I can exert some influence, and do much to assist the people in strengthening fraternal relations, and shall do all in my power to bring about peace. It has always been my motto to elevate every man- to depress none. (Applause.) I want to elevate you to take positions in law offices, in stores, on farms, and wherever you are capable of going.
I have not said anything about politics today. I don’t propose to say anything about politics. You have a right to elect whom you please; vote for the man you think best, and I think, when that is done, that you and I are freemen. Do as you consider right and honest in electing men for office. I did not come here to make you a long speech, although invited to do so by you. I am not much of a speaker, and my business prevented me from preparing myself. I came to meet you as friends, and welcome you to the white people. I want you to come nearer to us. When I can serve you I will do so. We have but one flag, one country; let us stand together. We may differ in color, but not in sentiment. Use your best judgement in selecting men for office and vote as you think right.
Many things have been said about me which are wrong, and which white and black persons here, who stood by me through the war, can contradict. I have been in the heat of battle when colored men, asked me to protect them. I have placed myself between them and the bullets of my men, and told them they should be kept unharmed. Go to work, be industrious, live honestly and act truly, and when you are oppressed I’ll come to your relief. I thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for this opportunity you have afforded me to be with you, and to assure you that I am with you in heart and in hand.”
What a monster in his old age.
kbolino
If that Rasmussen poll is accurate (70% opposed to removal), the next round of elections is going to be interesting.
While proposals have been made to get rid of monuments such as the Jefferson Memorial and the carving on Stone Mountain in Georgia because they honor men who practiced or defended slavery, just 19% of Likely U.S. Voters think the United States should erase symbols of its past history that are out of line with current sentiments. A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 69% oppose erasing these historical symbols. Twelve percent (12%) are undecided. (To see survey question wording, click here.)
FWIW, polling like this is highly variable depending on the wording and the timing. Phrases like “erase symbols of past history” are going to get you lower support than phrases like, “relocate edifices which express support for slavery”. Very narrow topics like this are hard to poll accurately and consistently. That said, assuming a 20+% margin of error, it still seems that memory-holing the confederacy isn’t in high demand.
Thousands of American Indian soldiers fought for the Union Army to end slavery, and thousands more fought fascism and genocide in World War II. American Indians will continue the fight against those who are misguided enough to perpetuate those beliefs.
No mention of the many Indian tribes that fought for/with the CSA, including the Cherokee Nation that started off for the North but switch sides. It takes a special case of unselfwareness to try to use Indian identity against bigotry & racism as long as racist tribal psuedo-governments still exist.
kbolino
Given that the next target of the Union Army after fighting the Confederacy was the Indians, I’m not sure how good of an idea that was, strategically speaking.
Gustave Lytton
Not to mention that many of the big names of the Union Army were also key figures in the US Army’s Indian Wars- Sherman, Sheridan, Custer, etc…
Lackadaisical
Depends what tribe you were a part of, right? I don’t think the US declared war on ‘indians’ rather specific tribes.
kbolino
U.S. Indian policy after the Civil War was basically “get on the reservations or else”. It is true that the U.S. Army only directly engaged in battle with, and committed massacres against, some of the tribes, but there was very much an attitude of pour encourager les autres; the smaller/less violent tribes didn’t fight their mandatory confinement.
I wonder how many of those Indians fought for the genocide of opposing Indian tribes.
Lackadaisical
All of them?
I mean, not individually, but probably all the tribes were engaged at some level on with the genocide of their neighbors at some point (just like every other group in human history).
bacon-magic
I just Binged
Read that again.
R C Dean
Honestly, using Microsoft for searching is like defending Trump.
I only do it because the alternatives are so odious.
Duck Duck Go does not get along with the Hospital Firewall of Doom.
Glitterstorm
Re: Suthenboy. I don’t know if I answered but I’m a field tech for a copier and network company
Suthenboy
Thank you and congrats again
Gilmore
I’ve seen like 100 versions of this story in the last few days
the core argument which i see replicated is, “Unless you’re one of Us…
(by ‘us’, they mean, ‘people frothing at the mouth about a few hundred insignificant loser racists marching around a college town’)
“….You’re one of Them”
(by ‘Them’, they mean, “the horde of invisible enemies of goodness which we call “Nazis”)
It really is remarkable that so many people feel like its perfectly *rational and reasonable* to refer to huge swaths of people who merely disagree with you as, “Nazis”. In any other era it would be a joke. But if you try to point out how silly it is, you’ll just get dark stares.
Somalian Road Corporation
JournoList 2.0 strikes yet again.
AlmightyJB
You’re also not allowed to mention the communist antifa physically attacking people for simply exercising their first amendment rights. That also makes you worse than Hitler.
Suthenboy
Deplorable are irredeemable. That’s what the lady said
This is gonna be one of those things like when people talk about starting a war against white men or whatever. There’s a whole hell of a lot more of “them”, and they’re pretty well-armed. Maybe you should try persuasion instead.
The Late P Brooks
I went to Charlottesville and now I feel run down.
Excellent.
AlmightyJB
Not nice
The Late P Brooks
re: Civil War 2.0
I did a quick skim of some stuff about the Paris riots in ’68. Those guys seem to have been much better organized than our make-believe Cultural Revolutionaries. The strikes/protests were truly nationwide, and the thing still fizzled pretty quickly in the face of serious pushback.
I don’t see the dilettantes standing fast when the vast majority of Americans (people with jobs, and lives, and things to do) start telling them to knock that shit off. I think they’ll retreat to their coffee shops and campuses to resume their ineffectual snivelling. I could be wrong, but I don’t see anything like a Symbionese Liberation Army cell in those pictures.
Tundra
I agree 100%. Too much of this is MSM/Facebook distortion. Normal people don’t have time for this shit.
John Titor
Cops actually separate protesters, come down hard on violent behaviour, and Antifa is declared a terrorist organization at a federal level. Most of this goes away.
thepasswordispassword
It seemed like there was a brief moment of sanity when the DC rioters found out they were getting charged with no-more-vote-for-you felonies. The responses of “I didn’t think this would happen to me” perfectly illustrate the problem. They keep rioting because they correctly believe they’ll get away with it. One campus post-Berkeley unmasked every single person forcibly if necessary and unsurprisingly there was no violence.
R C Dean
It seemed like there was a brief moment of sanity when the DC rioters found out they were getting charged with no-more-vote-for-you felonies.
Then they blew off their court dates, and I haven’t a heard a peep about any of them being run to ground, arrested, and tried.
thepasswordispassword
Hence seemed. Sad.
Pan Zagloba
So, new reality show starring Trump and Dog the Bounty Hunter (if he’s not in jail)?
AlmightyJB
Once the tail starts wagging the dog , the establishment will put them in their place
trshmnstr
I agree to an extent, but a big concern is a more effective group co-opting the revolutionary fervor and taking it the rest of the way. The Civil War was started by a raving lunatic trying to take over a fort.
You go win that fleeting approval from violent communists, Mitt. They’ll really love you for it and stand by you when your hour of need comes, because you demonstrated how not-racist you are in a tweet.
Jesus fucking Christ, no wonder the Republicans couldn’t win with those two bearing the standard.
DOOMco
I thought biden said that.
Somalian Road Corporation
Yeah, about Mitt. So you’ve got the Vice President and not some supposed lunatic fringe raving about how Romney is going to reinstate slavery and the rest of the peanut gallery going on about keeping women chained to the kitchen barefoot and pregnant, and, you know, that he’s a Nazi…
And Milquetoast Mitt, the Republican socialist from Massachusetts, tries to appease this lot, and throws in with them on this issue.
Vhyrus
Some people do not learn the easy way. Apparently getting your ass handed to you in a national election is ‘the easy way’.
Vhyrus
I would say Mitt Romney is the biggest embarrassment to the modern GOP, but McCain.
Ayn Random Variation
I’m feeling increasingly small everyday, like there’s no “place” sane enough to go to.
Ayn Random Variation
And just after I post that I scrolled down and see that booze is now racist.
Where’s that fucking meteor.
DOOMco
Maybe the eclipse will do something crazy and burn the US to ash.
Ayn Random Variation
Cool it’s supposed to be clear skies in NYC area Monday.
How funny is it that Donald Trump had the most Reasoned response to the latest commies vs nazis showdown, and that “Tony” is sympatico with the Reason writers these days.
Imagine somebody told you this 2 years ago.
By funny, I of course mean terrifying.
Somalian Road Corporation
This moment is getting more libertarian all the time.
Echo Chamber
I am so glad that he hasn’t wandered over here yet
News alert on phone: nyt says slave taught jack Daniels to make whiskey but never honored
Apparently they are going after the entirety of western civilization
Vhyrus
Woodchippers. Buy them right now. We’re gonna need them.
Mad Scientist
They have been going after western civilization all along.
kbolino
Do the Democrats want to win elections? I mean, outside of their enclaves. Because it seems like the answer is “no”.
F. Stupidity Jr.
This is what I call the Grand Encirclement. They seized academia. They seized the media. They seized Washington. Now, especially in light of the Yokel Revolt of 2016, the left has decided to flex their every muscle.
We in the anti-left had better step our game up.
R C Dean
Indeed. It may do no good whatsoever for the country to send anti-left Presidents to DC, if the Deep State wins their current slow-motion coup.
I want to make a joke about him not tackling anyone unless they touch him first but it’s just not coming together in my head.
DOOMco
What if the kicker consents, though?
Ken Shultz
Last night, somebody backed into my motorcycle, where it was parked. The guy that ran it over doesn’t have any insurance, and he doesn’t have any money–right now. He set my bike up and left a note with his name, address, and phone number.
I respect that. There are plenty of excellent substitutes for government action. There’s no good substitute for responsible people with integrity.
Kinda leads to some complications or “choices” is a better word.
So, let’s say I have insurance that covers uninsured motorists. Maybe I don’t want to use it because I don’t want my insurance rates to go up. Can they raise your insurance for that? It’s a rhetorical question. I once had my insurance canceled because someone totaled my car while it was properly parked by the side of the road.
Here’s the thing, though: If I don’t want to use my insurance, and the guy offers to pay me for the parts and labor–I’m not sure, from an ethical standpoint, that’s fair of me to take his money.
Realize, for one thing, my concern for my motorcycle and my safety are such that I wouldn’t let a motorcycle mechanic do the work anyway. I can fully disassemble my bike and the engine–and when I do it, it gets done right. There’s no way I’d pay someone else to do the work–and have less confidence on the freeway or in the middle of Lost Holler, UT than if I had just done the work myself. Is my time and effort worth something? Yeah, but I’d need to sell it to him that way. If I get a quote for paying someone else to do the work, and he pays for that, then it’s like I’m being ethically fraudulent–unless I tell him straight up that I’m charging him to do the work myself.
My inclination is to not charge him anything for labor.
Secondly, ethically speaking, if I ELECT not to use my insurance for uninsured drivers, why should he have to pay for that decision of mine? I’ve always argued that one of the reasons insurance mandates are ethically wrong is because we should all insure our own property–not use the government to force others to insure our property for us. If you drive an $80,000 Mercedes in traffic, you’re willingly engaging in an inherently risky activity with your car. Why should people without assets be legally obligated to insure your Mercedes for you? If you want to protect your vehicle from people without insurance, buy insurance for uninsured drivers. If you don’t, that’s your choice.
That being said, if I electe not to use that insurance–of my own free will–why should he be responsible for my decision?
I suppose honest libertarians might behave differently in this situation for various ethical reasons, but notice that two people with integrity don’t really need the government involved to work through this–and there are multiple options for dealing with something like this because the government isn’t involved.
My plan. I’ll tell him that I have insurance for uninsured drivers, but I don’t want to use it. I’ll offer to forget the whole thing for half the price of the parts. If I choose not to use my insurance, that’s my half of the responsibility, but he hit my bike–and that’s his half of the responsibility.
Vhyrus
First off, didn’t read all of it.
That being said, there’s nothing wrong taking money from him for labor even if you do the labor because your time is worth money. He fucked up, fuck up have consequences. Nothing wrong with getting a little back for the time and inconvenience he caused you.
Ken Shultz
If you’d read all of it, I think it’s okay to take money for your own time and labor–so long as you’re up front with what you’re doing.
If I’m that guy, and I don’t have any money, and I hear that you’re going to charge me what a mechanic charges, I might offer to do the work myself. I bet this guy makes less than a motorcycle mechanic. On an hour for hour basis, I should probably charge more.
But I don’t want to debate the labor theory of value with this guy.
And, also, that’s part of the assumption of risk I take when I ride my bike in public and park it in a public place. This guy didn’t break into my house. He did something I knew could happen–and if I don’t want to use my coverage for it, then that’s my choice. He’s not responsible for my choices–just his own.
I’ll find the parts on Bike Bandit, ask him for half the cost of the parts, and leave it at that.
trshmnstr
If I choose not to use my insurance, that’s my half of the responsibility, but he hit my bike–and that’s his half of the responsibility. . . If I’m that guy, and I don’t have any money, and I hear that you’re going to charge me what a mechanic charges, I might offer to do the work myself.
I don’t get it. Just because you’re in public doesn’t mean that you’re partially liable for what other people do (intentionally or not) to your property while in public. Assuming you were properly parked, the damage is 0% your responsibility and 100% his. Insurance isn’t a community facing good, it’s an insured facing good. Whether you file a claim or not, he is legally liable for 100% of the damage. The only question is who gets to sue him for it (you or the insurance). Every penny less than 100% is pure generosity on your part.
ArchieBunker
This made me think of something. Bikers should shoulder more liability, not in this case but in a wreck. Something that would have been a fender bender in a car can be life threatening on a bike.
Ken Shultz
“Insurance isn’t a community facing good, it’s an insured facing good. Whether you file a claim or not, he is legally liable for 100% of the damage. The only question is who gets to sue him for it (you or the insurance). Every penny less than 100% is pure generosity on your part.
We’re mixing terms here with law and ethics.
The government not being involved means the law is only interesting, here, as an implied threat.
Ethically, I’ve arranged for this contingency, and I’ve chosen not to use my insurance. I’m saying I’m ethically obligated for the choices I willingly make in that regard.
I don’t need to suffer this loss at all. I could just file a claim, but I choose not to do so.
As far as him being responsible for the damage he causes, driving my bike in public and parking it in public is an inherently risky activity. And I chose to take that risk. I’m responsible for my part in making that choice.
This guy didn’t hit my bike on purpose. If he did it on purpose that would be different. But, yeah, he’s ethically responsible for the risk he chose to take. You could always accidentally damage someone’s property while driving. It’s an inherently risky activity, and he engaged in it willingly.
I mean, you make your own judgement on the ethics of being in public, but I’d argue that the risk you’re insuring against is other people’s injurious behavior. Driving your bike doesn’t become risky (beyond your own behavior or acts of God or a pebble kicking up from the road or whatever) until other people get involved. And really, that’s the risk we’re talking about when we’re talking about.
What you say you’re going to do sounds generous. I think the problem with charging someone for labor you perform yourself is that there’s no protection for that person from an unscrupulous person overcharging for labor. Besides the money, the major benefit to insurance is that you turn the issue over to a disinterested (well, semi-disinterested) third party.
trshmnstr
I got ya, and I think you’re doing the right thing. I just question whether “it’s inherently risky” is an ethical consideration. I always thought it was more of a pragmatic deal. Something we say so that the guy on the receiving end doesn’t get a victim complex over being in an accident.
Something just rubs me funny about the idea that I have some level of ethical responsibility to pay for damage to my car if I have done nothing wrong. To me, the “inherent risk” is 1) that I’m going to make a mistake and cause damage; or 2) that some asshole is going to cause damage to me and flee the scene anonymously.
DOOMco
seems reasonable. You could also tell him you’ll charge a bit for labor, and keep it light for his sake.
Fatty Bolger
Would it be wrong for you to take money for the labor? No.
Would it be cool of you not to? Yes. He could have hit and run, but didn’t. There’s nothing wrong with rewarding good behavior.
Suthenboy
You are overthinking it
If it were me he’d buy the parts I would fix it
R C Dean
Suthen’s is the classic redneck resolution, IMO.
Parts are parts. You don’t know how good his work is. He buys the parts (and maybe a sixpack), you do the work.
Ed Wuncler
I wanted to deactivate my FB but I am my fantasy football’s league commissioner and need FB to keep in contact with the other teams in my league.
It’s so fucking depressing watching people who you know as usually being reasonable and rational turn into a bunch of authoritarian assholes. I’ve lost a lot of respect for a lot of people this past week.
Akira
I’m glad I don’t have any social media accounts (besides a LinkedIn, but that doesn’t really count).
It’s bad enough going to family gatherings and trying to steer the discussion away from politics. My family runs the gamut from hardcore “progressive” to politically ambivalent with a leaning towards leftist ideas. There have been a few discussions about how LITERALLY HITLER is ruining the planet and supporting neo-Nazis, but I just go to the bathroom when that topic comes up and they’re usually talking about something else when I come back.
I’m tempted to just speak out one of these times and show them what hypocrites they’re being (since they all loved Obama and praised everything he did) but I don’t know if I want to spoil a family gathering. There might be an occasion when I can’t keep my mouth shut.
There are a few members of my family and some good but distant friends who I only really contact via Facebook, otherwise I’d dump it. It’s just cat videos and vitriol anymore.
trshmnstr
I kept my FB for 3 years because of that. Finally, I figured that if I can’t even count on an occasional text message from those folks (extended family and some old friends), then the relationship really isn’t very important to either of us. IOW, I let cancelling my FB be the sink or swim test for those relationships.
I don’t care what her politics are, I’ve never been a fan. I mean, her work is good, but looks-wise she’s pretty meh worthy by Hollywood standards.
Somalian Road Corporation
She’s got dumbface, and dumb politics to back it up.
Juvenile Bluster
But she did star in Hunger Games, which is about as libertarian (or at least anti-authoritarian) as films and books get these days.
Pan Zagloba
Kingsman > Hunger Games
(that’s supposed to be greater-than sign, if it got et)…
John Titor
Hell, Kingsman is a privately owned spy agency that does its job better than state based ones.
Pan Zagloba
It also demands you stick with a certain standard of appearance and behavior, but doesn’t care where you came from if you can perform the job.
It’s like the spirit of Margaret Thatcher possessed the screenwriter.
Juvenile Bluster
G-d I love that movie. I’m going to have to watch it a couple more times before the sequel comes out next month.
Somalian Road Corporation
That’s what made it even worse, that that series was her big break!
Hitchcock was right about actors.
John Titor
Unfortunately the Hunger Games is also retarded garbage.
“HERP DERP WE MAKE PEOPLE MINE COAL LIKE ITS THE 1920s BUT WE HAVE FORCE FIELDS SOMEHOW.”
Vhyrus
I’m glad someone said it. I watched the first movie and I understand why millennials are retarded.
John Titor
I read the book because an ex-girlfriend really liked the series and she absolutely hated the first movie.
The thing I thought was hilarious about the movie is that its big message is this whole “OMG violence in the media will one day translate to televised blood sport!” thing. And they show this by making the movie…PG-13. So when they do stuff like show the last winner (who beat his opponent to death with a brick) there’s just is little stain of blood rather than a pulp mess. So you’re directly disproving your own social commentary movie. That’s retarded.
I kind of dig Katniss in the book actually, she’s a goddamn borderline sociopath who only gives a fuck about her family.
Akira
That’s probably just the economic misconception that slavery is “free labor”. Because apparently, slaves don’t cost money, they don’t consume food, and they don’t require living quarters.
Well, I think it’s that whole thing where if she were some chick I knew and she was cool I’d think she looked good, but in the panoply of Hollywood starlets she’s very average. But keep in mind that if I had a personal trainer, makeup artists, and an agent I could easily be a solid 9. Shit, these people can make Lena Dunham look like a mammal. They can work miracles.
wdalasio
So, if one of these morons gets the wrong guy, can she be sued for conspiracy to commit libel?
Ayn Random Variation
How about some funny cat stuff to cheer a racist whiskey drinker up?
She’s cute but not exactly a deep thinker. Maybe a bit smarter than many of the media talking heads but that’s not saying much.
Pan Zagloba
Kat TimpfVerified account @KatTimpf 1h1 hour ago
Kat Timpf Retweeted Ray Pawelczak
No good people march with people who are chanting “Jews will not replace us.”
She’s not wrong there.
Count Potato
She isn’t. But that hardly means they were the only people up to no good.
John Titor
It’s not wrong, but the point that should be added is “…but they still have a right to be assholes, provided they are not violent.”
Count Potato
I’d have to go find a transcript of what Trump said. But if I recall, there were two things that set her off:
1) Trump didn’t only condemn the white-supremacists, even though the other groups didn’t kill anyone.
2) Trump said that there were good people there. Which is true. There were people protesting the removal of the statue that weren’t white-supremacists, counter-protesters that weren’t antifa, etc.
True, but if I’m in line at the grocery store and American History X gets behind me, I’m not going to drop my groceries and leave, know what I mean? Nor will I demand that he get in another line.
Winston
I mentioned this before but salami strategy. Basically it was calling your opponents Nazis unless they supported a Communist regime. Sound familiar? This is also why cosmotarianism won’t work.
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Ryerson University canceled a panel Wednesday dedicated to discussing the silencing of free speech on college campuses, citing “campus safety.”
The Canadian school canceled “The Stifling of Free Speech on University Campuses,” an Aug. 22 panel featuring three doctors and a pro-free speech journalist, citing a prioritization of “campus safety” over free speech “in light of recent events,” according to correspondence obtained by The Daily Caller News Foundation.
Social justice activists set up a Facebook page entitled “No Fascists in Our City!” to protest the event. The page’s header image depicted a swastika crossed out.
“Fascists are planning to meet on August 22nd at Ryerson University to discuss how to avoid what they call ‘SJW’ Culture,” the protest description reads. “Tickets are being sold for $20 and frankly it makes us virulently ill … Considering the rise of Nationalism here and abroad we need to show these people and their guests that we will not tolerate their backward nonsense in our city.”
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[head desk]
Stinky Wizzleteats
If people don’t stop giving them the heckler’s veto we’re going to be fucked.
Pan Zagloba
Considering the rise of Nationalism here and abroad
YOu fucking assholes, make up your fucking mind if you are Canadian Nationalists or not! Fucking hell!
But hey, Ontario, whatcha gonna do?
John Titor
Yeah, our nationalists are less ‘goose stepping madmen’ and more ‘hipster jackass at the coffee shop talking about how backwards and stupid Americans are’.
But if we’ve got a big rise in nationalism does that mean can we at least bring back the better anthem?
Heroic Mulatto
How about bringing back the better flag?
John Titor
That too, but there’s like fifteen different versions. I’m cool with using all of them.
Pan Zagloba
No, we’ll make the better better flag!
With blackjack. And hookers!
John Titor
Also, how dare you blame Ontario for the sins of Toronto. I demand satisfaction.
We’ll meet at Winnipeg. Tomahawks to first blood.
Pan Zagloba
Oh, I’m sorry, has Toronto recently migrated to British Columbia or Alberta, and I missed it? We could use the power of finance, government and media on our side for once!
BTW, if this disgusts you, wait till you find out where Ottawa is located!
John Titor
Lookit this pot-smoking, beatnik motherfucker casting mad shade on clearly superior provinces. Listen here you smelly old hippie, I know that in Vancouver you’re too busy being anally penetrated, screaming at foreign Chinamen, and doing crack, but them’s fighting words! I’ll take your kale and Nanaimo bars and stuff’em down your throat til you choke!
Pan Zagloba
I know, I know, Ottawa + Toronto barely make 50% of Ontario population, practically nothing! #nottrueontario
Surely it’s all those hordes of BC expats constantly streaming into Ontario, high on pot and socialism, taking over CEOships, editorial positions, professorships, and positions in federal government.
Uh, they did get Elizabeth May elected to the House of Commons.
Winston
The antifas will get crushed eventually, provided they don’t seize power, since they hate the Dems leaders and will go after them but now but they are expedient to the Dems and GOPe for the moment.
Pomp
This Minor’s brand au jus is so fucking good that after I finished my french dip sandwich, I’m drinking it like a refreshing beverage. Has anybody tried selling meat broth as a soft drink? I bet it would do well with paleo freaks.
Michael
Take my money.
Count Potato
There is nothing stopping anyone from buying cans of beef broth and drinking it.
Michael
Wait…WHAT???
Count Potato
Money can be exchanged for goods and services.
Gilmore
(takes notes)
Michael
(car door slams, tires screeching)
Schnirt Gurgleburger
Only if your masters approve, and can profit from the transaction.
trshmnstr
Speaking of profit… I just got a *fantastic* surprise from my county tax assessor here in VA. Evidently, there’s an annual personal property tax on cars registered in the “great” state of VA. Have fun with that $500, you immoral fucks! I went from owning my car in TX to renting it from the damn county in VA… fuck property taxes!
Pomp
Slapping PALEO FRIENDLY on a bottle is more motivating than you could imagine.
They let us in one day to visit after hours (during the weekend) for a drop-in. I have found that their pricing on more conventional stuff like McVittie’s digestives is a little too high. Have you ever tried this? I found it in Hong Kong at a grocery store and it’s dy-no-mite.
Gilmore
I’m drinking it like a refreshing beverage
Also serves as wonderful aftershave in a pinch
Pomp
^this guy
Michael
Here’s a pastiche of Charlottesville recaps from “both sides” – it’s exactly what you’d expect:
Note the masturbatory, militaristic tone of most of them.
Gilmore
I thought it was funny they labeled The Nation a “leftist publication”…. but of course no one else.
Rick C-137
So brief story. My wife is rather libertarian but has a wide liberal streak she picked up in college. Not full sjw but with flavors of it. She has become so distraught with every one of her liberal friends accusing people who don’t solely condemn the unite the right jerkoffs that she’s this close to hopping off of derpbook. Her is a woman who is a potential ally and the sjws have shit the bed so bad on this one that they are isolating anyone who is not totally lockstep with them. It’s bad guys. The people in our circle are evenly divided between diffidence and frothy anger. This won’t end well if it doesn’t calm down soon.
Akira
If SJWs want to become more and more exclusionary, I say let them. They’ll eventually shrink their group down to four or five screaming lunatics.
Rick C-137
That’s my sentiment exactly
Gilmore
I want to encourage the whole “Call everyone a Nazi” fad. The more common it becomes, the more absurd the self-anointed Anti-Nazis look.
Count Potato
Well, that’s easy if you’re one-third black woman.
It’s not going to calm down. The media are fanning the flames and trying to make it look like antifa are good guys and that they are winning. I think the media are at the point where they don’t care if the entire country burns down as long as they can get to Trump.
Count Potato
Apparently, the hysteria lead a number of CEO’s to resign from Trump’s advisory groups. And stocks fell a bit.
She has become so distraught with every one of her liberal friends accusing people who don’t solely condemn the unite the right jerkoffs that she’s this close to hopping off of derpbook.
Good for her!
Derpetologist
I was thinking today about why groups become targets of persecution. I think the main factors are group size, degree of resemblance to the dominant group, and group success.
Majority groups usually don’t get oppressed unless a minority somehow gets all the power, like South Africa under apartheid.
Minorities that stand out less tend to have an easier time. It’s harder for would-be oppressors to identify them.
Minorities that achieve a similar level of success to the dominant group fare better. If they tend to be richer or poorer, that difference makes them a target.
So basically, the best way for a group to avoid discrimination is to try to mimic the dominant/majority group.
Fatty Bolger
I don’t know. Asian-Americans are a small minority, and are more successful than the majority, but haven’t become targets for persecution. Probably the opposite has happened, in fact.
Pan Zagloba
They were in the past, though. Chinese Exclusion Act and all that.
“Passing” is a time-honored tradition, but just doing it is not enough to escape persecution. I mean, hidden Jews of Spain explicitly made all the right moves to fit in, but if discovered…oh boy, it was bad time!
Fatty Bolger
Yes, but the more successful they became, the less they were persecuted. Which would seem to contradict what Derpetologist was saying.
Pan Zagloba
Part of becoming successful was adopting clothes, names, language and patterns of behavior of then-majority, though. So it would still follow his example.
Now, if US of today was the same of as US of 1882…hell yeah, there’d be riots and extra taxes and immigration bans… Shit, Rich Chinaman Real Estate Taxes are becoming quite popular in places.
Derpetologist
They were poor when they came, which made them stand out. When some of them became rich, that made them stand out again.
If you were Chinese in the US in 1900, the sweet spot was to be richer than a railroad coolie but poorer than a successful gold prospector.
The persecution vs. success curve is u-shaped.
Derpetologist
Asians have been targeted by college admission policies. Kind of minor, but worth noting.
Hyperion
Actually, they are being targeted by the left as being almost as bad as whitey. Asians are not favored snowflakes.
I had to sign in to watch. Makes sense- it offends SJWs, thus making it the most obscene thing imaginable.
Hyperion
He starts off by stating two important facts. 1. Trump said the only thing he could have said to be presidential and correct. 2. Antifa are actually communists. Antifa’s role and sorry, I just cannot repeat this enough, is to end capitalism.
The statues are not a goal in and of themselves. This is just a test to see how far they can go in undemocratically pushing local governments into doing their will. Once the statue thing is over, they will move on to the next bigger goal. I don’t know what that will be, but I’m sure they’ve already figured this out. Maybe they’ll want to tear down Mount Vernon and Monticello, because both Washington and Jefferson owned slaves. It wouldn’t surprise me if this is their next target. If they succeed, they’ll then move onto the next target, which will probably involve capitalism. Maybe they’ll go to Wall Street and tear down the bull and then start setting on fire or blowing up banks, etc. One thing is for sure, they will not stop until they have destroyed capitalism. The GOP fools who have went against the president for exposing antifa need to get their asses primaried.
Stinky Wizzleteats
There are people beginning to agitate for dynamiting Stone Mountain. I wouldn’t say Mount Vernon and Monticello are out of reach if they get that and, yeah, a lot of the GOP scum need to be thrown out on their asses.
Gilmore
I wouldn’t say Mount Vernon and Monticello are out of reach if they get that
No, they’ll shift gears and find soft targets elsewhere. they’ll purposely avoid the “founding fathers” because they know that crossing that line would make most americans see them as effectively ‘anti-american’. so they’ll stick with the confederates through 2018, and target small towns and universities and businesses.
Gilmore
The statues are not a goal in and of themselves. This is just a test to see how far they can go in undemocratically pushing local governments into doing their will.
That’s basically right.
I think another view (which includes that) is to say that the point of their “freak out over historical racism” is to attack something which, if anyone defends it, allows them to paint *everyone except themselves* as racists.
the thing i think that has terrified the left since the 2016 election is the idea that black voters just arent into them anymore. And so by screaming “racist”! at everyone and making their opponents defend confederate memorials, they create a wedge issue that regains them this moral posture that ‘blacks have nowhere else to go’.
I mentioned in an earlier thread that they’ve gotten Hogan to buckle in Maryland, and now the Taney statue is going to be removed from in front of the state house. One of Taney’s ancestors, a lawyer from New York, had met with ancestors of Dred Scott, and had actually come up with some pretty good compromises that everyone subsequently ignored. In an interview, she pointed out that Taney’s kind of a big deal in Maryland, and not only are there numerous statues of him, but there are roads, bridges, schools, even an entire town that share his name (the town came first, but I doubt that’ll matter).
Derpetologist
I’ve been thinking of that old South Park episode where they’re arguing about changing the town flag for being racist (it’s a cartoon of 4 white guys cheering around a black guy hanging from a noose).
The 2 guys who work in the gun store don’t want the flag changed, because history, but they are frustrated because the only other people on their side are the KKK. They pretend to be KKK and sneak into a meeting. They try to convince the KKK that since most people hate them, the smart thing to do is to support changing the flag. That way, most people will reflexively oppose them and vote to keep the flag as it is.
So are alt-right and alt-left some sort of new Windows keyboard shortcuts? I don’t watch much of the news, but I hear people complaining a lot.
John Titor
TL;DR version: Asshole communists and fascists square up, Round 2, Electric Boogaloo. There’s way more commies than Nazis at present point.
Hyperion
Alt-right is a made up term to tag anyone who the left does not like. They are extremists, racists, nazis. It would probably include libertarians, except that libertarians are even worse than the alt-right, so they have to be kept separate. The alt-left was created to mock the leftists who created alt-right.
Max Coins
Oh, so all the mainstream folks in charge are the Control-right and Control-left?
You guys know I’m kidding, right? 🙂
Max Coins
Sorry, been around here for a long time, but I don’t comment very often. I don’t dare make these jokes on Twitter, though I want to.
Michael
Control-right and Control-left
You win whatever is the opposite of a cat butt over here.
trshmnstr
a golden monocle?
John Titor
Alt-right is a made up term to tag anyone who the left does not like.
Noooooope. Alt-right is a various forms of white nationalism. Just because the media and leftists use it broadly and inaccurately doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
The alt-left was created to mock the leftists who created alt-right.
The alt left was actually a term that start popping up on left-wing sites shortly after the election in an attempt to distance themselves from the crazies. It’s one of the reasons I don’t like it, because it’s fundamentally inaccurate. The ‘alt-left’ is way more accepted in leftist ranks than the alt-right are on the typical right-wing.
Am I a horrible person for thinking that an e-coli outbreak after one of these things would be hilarious?
Bob
I ventured into the hateosphere and found a video of Donahue with Jared Taylor who I think is firmly in the camp of what would be considered NAZIs. It appears to me that NAZI, white supremacist, white nationalist, alt-right, etc. encompass a variet of views being clumped together. The views are:
1. Kill the blacks, Jews, etc.- I haven’t found anyone who subscribes to this but I think that’s actual NAZI stuff and I’m sure some people do.
2. Blacks are inferior and we should forcefully segregate the country racially.
3. Blacks are inferior and we should voluntarily segregate and remove programs to help on racial lines. (I think this was Taylor’s position)
4. Blacks have higher crime rates and lower IQ with no prescription for fixing it. (Saying this is considered white supremacy as far as I can tell).
5. Blacks are equal but we should get rid of programs that are designed to help certain races like affirmative action.
It appears the first 4 beliefs will get you painted as a NAZI for saying them but I would only consider the first two dangerous since they want to use force although there’s a big difference between kill and segregate in terms of danger. I don’t foresee a time when forced segregation is remotely politically possible so it’s just pissing in the wind. Killing can be done individually though.
The third is not nice, and appears to have a decent following but not much influence.
The first three beliefs will get you physically attacked and you’ll lose your job. The fourth will probably lose you your job, and cannot be said in public. The fifth may get you fired from a blue enclave but you can say it in certain company. You probably can’t say it on social media without getting attacked. I would estimate close to half the country has views like the fifth.
There’s the double standard of course where BLM can be on TV calling for white cops to die. The standard for being a black racist is more like just number 1. The other beliefs you can say while running a university.
But what’s interesting is that NAZI has basically been whittled down to anyone not endorsing progressive race policies. Something is going to break. Either hate-think legislation is made or people will reject the idea that half the country is NAZIs. I don’t think people will sign on to that dichotomy voluntarily, it will take force.
Michael
I don’t foresee a time when forced segregation is remotely politically possible so it’s just pissing in the wind.
Democratic mayors of cities from the time when the Interstate highway system was built might beg to differ.
Akira
#6: “I abhor racism of any kind, but I’m disappointed about Antifa’s violent tactics. That’s just going to escalate things and get even more people hurt and killed. We’re better than this. Let’s fight racism with powerful words and unassailable logic, not violence!”
Yep, you guessed it, that one also makes you a super racist neo-Nazi.
Hyperion
So, those people believe that throwing bottles of urine and feces and brawling in the streets with other radical lefties is the answer to racism?
I have to day, racism was nearly invisible before Obama started running his stupid yap. Obama and antifa are sort of buds, but being as antifa are sort of icky like homeless people, they have to be buds while remaining on their own side of the tracks.
Bob
Tone it down Hitler.
Hyperion
“2. Blacks are inferior and we should forcefully segregate the country racially.”
So, the entire country becomes Baltimore?
John Titor
Taylor’s somewhat distanced from the alt-right as a whole. He certainly holds a great deal of ‘race realist’ opinions, but his broader political beliefs aren’t really representative of the general positions common in the alt-right. Taylor, for example, completely rejects the anti-Semitism present in most of the alt-right and considers it asinine.
Taylor basically wants the Western world to be Japan.
thepasswordispassword
Negative birth rates and a decades long economic yearning for the glory days of a bubble that’s never coming back?
Raphael
This made me laugh and cry at the same time.
John Titor
Taylor may be a little biased because he was raised there (when shit was good) and is a massive weeaboo.
Gilmore
Taylor basically wants the Western world to be Japan.
(imagines McDonald’s which serves squid roe instead of fries, and vending machines selling dirty panties on every corner)
Bob
Whatever he is, he appears to be among the most influential with a large following from a small pool of people. it’s not clear to me that the other white nationalists outnumber his brand.
Gilmore
Kill the blacks, Jews, etc.- I haven’t found anyone who subscribes to this
Ironically (or not), we’re already kind of at 3. The people who want segregation practically speaking can get it. Busing and other forms of forced integration are over. The worst that could happen is that your 95% white community (or 95% black, if you’re approaching it from the “other” side) “degenerates” to 94%, and then you move. Obviously, racial covenants and exclusionary laws can’t happen any more, but that doesn’t stop a whole fucking lot of people from de facto self-segregating.
Of course, a lot of people don’t want segregation and they get to have their cake, too. I don’t want to live anywhere that people treat me as an unwelcome outsider; beyond that, I don’t much care what the skin color or national origin or what have you of my neighbors is. How live-and-let-live my neighbors and my local government are the things that actually matter.
Gilmore
So, i’m stealing a joke and modifying it slightly:
“A man goes into the Dalai Lama’s Pizza Parlor. He says, “Make me one with everything“
Comments
639 responses to “Wednesday Afternoon Kara-rinku”
You know, this is an hour early. You could’ve thrown something together in that hour. Lazy.
Um, I think that by the rules only a blank comment would qualify for an official First!
Whoa…
That’s what Robby would do–just turn in a half-assed job.
I respect this. It’s far better.
I didn’t have time, but you guys want a space to chat–so here you go.
Trying to pass off half-assed shit so you can check the done box off is effing lame.
I didn’t have time, and I don’t want to turn in a half-assed job?
That’s good stuff.
Brett has better hair.
That’s not it.
I respect the honesty–the hair is just icing on the cake.
The Lynx is mourning
Looks more like it’s stalking.
Nice pussy ya got there
I got nothing.
TL;DR
Winner.
Hey people were just getting to talk on the dreamhost thread. Also people were still talking coffee. This is no standard and I don’t like it. I mean without order what do we have? I’ll tell you what chaos.
HAIL ERIS!
Worst chatroom ever?
Coffee and Dreamhosts living together!
It’s a thread about nothing. The one we’ve been waiting for. But like other times, waiting too long makes it just sort of meh.
Brett prematurely ejaculated. I’ll clean up the mess and show everyone his boner at the usual time.
So I’m wondering when Stossel is going to get unpersoned by TOS like Brendan O’Neil did after writing an article titled “Plenty of Science Shows That Men and Women Are Just Programmed Differently”. Might not happen because he’s too Big Name to get rid of, but still. I’m also enjoying that there’s plenty of new commenters complaining about articles ‘defending’ the memo. That’s your new audience Reason, enjoy it.
Don’t harsh the narrative!
*in his best palpatine impression*
Yeessss….. feel the TDS flow through you….. take your keyboard, strike down Stossel, and your journey to the prog side will be… complete!
That pretty much sums up the comments section over there for at least the past 5 years.
Hs Video on Venezuela holds no punches. It could be fun to watch.
I won’t go there anymore though.
his
State capitalism, I didn’t say that was good!
Bam!
Stossel knows how to hit them out of the park.
Haha, that Oliver Stone useful idiocy clip: “taking a critical look, at an extraordinary movement…” Yeah, you folks were real fucking critical of the Chavistas, that’s for sure. I notice the absolute cacophony of voices I used to hear all the time singing the praises of Venezuela before the socialists ran out of other people’s money never say a fucking peep about just how Maria Chavez managed to attain a net worth of $4.2 billion dollars.
Lol @ Chomsky blaming the wreckers and kulaks…
– when did they do that to O’Neil? and how does that work, exactly, when Brendan is the editor of his own publication? Un-personing, imo, would be dumping a full-time writer and never saying why they had departed (e.g. that person we’re not supposed to talk about)
– i recall people saying the same things about Harsayani for a while: “he’s been ousted because he’s too-conservative”. But then he reappeared frequently.
– why would they have published it in the first place if they objected to the content? I didn’t really read the comments on that one, so i don’t know how it was received (with the exception of one person who i provided a link to some similar stats)
O’Neil was being published pretty much weekly until February, and he’s vanished since. I emailed Gillespie about it, just asking if he’s coming back or gone for good and never got a response.
As to the third point, like I said, Stossel is Big Name.
Come on, there was that one piece in June he did!
I think it’s more likely he is writing for The Spectator, which pays better, instead.
Ah, I emailed in May, because he was one of the few people I’d be willing to visit TOS for. Disregard.
June 14, 2017
Gillespie is too busy making a solid six figures shrieking that literally everything is racist on Twitter for prog approval, in between dumping another load of dreck on the Reason frontpage, to respond to the plebs.
Don’t hold your breath. Matt or Suderman would generally reply to me within a few days if i had a question, which happened maybe half a dozen times. Gillespie never once responded to a similar # of queries.
I’ve emailed the Jacket, Ed, Robbie and Scott and gotten responses. Kat ManGoo and some others didn’t bother replying.
Ka-Ka-Ka-Kat Man Goo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd3Mt8JBBBg
* correction: Nick responded once with a “Thanks” when i pointed out an error in a post. in 2008
Well it was three months ago, I don’t expect anything now.
I can’t imagine they’re real pleased with us as of late.
They should be. The people who complained about their shittiness the most have left them alone.
yeah and their daily hit stats are in the shitter ever since.
It is pretty clear the folks who came here made up the bulk of their loyal and frequent readers.
And they will still be called alt right if it serves the accuser.
They came to do good and they’re staying to do well. They’re still getting paid to be fake libertarians.
*FLIPS KEYBOARD*
Seems that the U.S. isn’t the only place trying to erase history.
Swedish archaeologists are literally throwing away Viking relics. (you’ll have to translate and escape the Renault add)
I can’t even look at swedish in print without hearing the swedish chef freaking out in my head and I start laughing uncontrollably.
Archaeologists do not give away or sell the bargain because they do not want to create a market for antiques and encourage robbers with metal detectors, says Runer. Thus: the bin.
***FACEPALM***
Yes – why even dig it up if they are going to toss them? Are they looking for dinosaur bones? Or would they toss them out too?
It’s a matter of limited funding, apparently. But they would rather destroy them than allow them to be sold.
“We don’t have any money.”
“We could sell some stuff.”
“No, that would only encourage people to give us more money.”
Perhaps hey ought to spend those limited fund to curate the stuff they have…
Umm, yeah, that’s not true. I’ve known some of the less activist ‘It’s our shared heritage!’ types, who admit that they actually do hide and sell stuff, all of the time.
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Sad links 🙁
Sad links
There are literally three people in my Facebook friends who I mostly agree with politically, but we can have a civilized discussion on the areas where we disagree. One of them just waded into a discussion about banning Confederate statues. It’s real ugly. Poor guy.
:: doffs cap, lowers eyes ::
*presses F to show respect*
Remember when we used to make fun of the Russian Commies and their tendency to airbrush bad people out of their history? We all laughed because we would never do something like that in the good old USA.
Now we seem determined to destroy any history that might remind people that wrongthinkers existed.
BTW, if the current bastards were successful in erasing all references to anyone who fought in the Civil War (or owned slaves), what would happen to the argument that blacks are getting fucked by the mere memory of their roots in slavery?
Could they sue for reparations without triggering a shit ton of proggies?
Can I steal that for twitters?
What are you some commie? Fuck it, send me an orphan every time you tweet one of my awesome ideas!
IP is fake news!
One orphan is on the way. You don’t need them to be able to hear, right?
You don’t need them to be able to hear, right?
He failed to specify. Like a good capitalist, you should interpret the contract in your favor wherever it lacks specificity.
They will say that they aren’t erasing them, just no longer celebrating them.
It’s unusually honest of the Progressive Left to admit that they used to celebrate racists…
Serious journalism
On one side, you see, you have white nationalists and neo-Nazis carrying assault weapons and advocating for a white, Christian, fascist ethno-state in America. On the other side, you have people who would prefer not to be systematically exterminated. Both are equally bad! To put it another way, on one side, you have the guy who law enforcement officials say deliberately ran a woman over with his car and the people who are celebrating her death. On the other, you have the woman who got run over by the car. Both are to blame! (By the way, if you are a good liberal grousing about how some anti-fascists are “just as bad” as fascists, you are riding Trump’s wake on this logical highway.)
It’s a fucking nuthouse with typewriters.
* this was probably transcribed from the original fecal fingerpainting on the cave wall.
For some reason I read that in Lionel Hutz’s voice.
On the other side, you have people who would prefer not to be systematically exterminated.
And express this by dressing up like ninjas and hitting people over the head with clubs, bricks, bike locks, etc… Definitely innocent little lambs there.
If you’re wearing a Che shirt whil waving a hammer and sickle flag you’re not actually against murderous ideologies, just one of them in particular.
Just accidentally put this in the Dreamhost thread, copying back here. This is actually something that was said to me by a friend (well, now ex-friend) after I defended the free speech of Nazis and said anti-fa is bad.
We now know your real name.
RELEASE THE DOXX!
I’m pretty sure that everyone here (well, the former Reason regulars) know my first name.
I don’t. Maintain good OpSec. Need to know.
The nazis are bad, to be sure…
But, that wasn’t real Nazism. They just did it wrong. Now if they just…
/do I even need to?
Those were state nazis, not real ones, it will work next time!
Let the doxxing begin!
*Starts whistling while going fishing with Ron Howard*
With friends like that…
I’m a bit disappointed it wasn’t phrased as “objectively pro-Nazi”.
After my sarcastic response (“oh yeah, I’m totally a Nazi, you should see my armband”), I was told he wasn’t calling me a Nazi.
I just deactivated Facebook.
did you at least leave this on your way out?
It’s getting impossible for people to understand the premise ‘I may not agree with a word that you say, but I’ll fight to the deat your right to say it’.
We live in an era of mental midgets
What Nazi fascist said THAT?
…Hitler?
Chris Cantwell?
He was on the Part of the Problem podcast Tuesday (I think). It was interesting stuff.
Get the torches! No wait. Only Nazis do that!
“I may not agree with a word you say, but I’ll fight to the death to make you shut up.”
I just deactivated Facebook.
Bravo. Well done.
“I didn’t call you a Nazi, I called you a Nazi apologist! Sympathizer at worst!”
“No, I didn’t call you a Nazi, you’re just a Judenrat, you filthy collaborator!”
(I actually saw a video of a lefty on a train accusing a latino guy of that because he told him to shut up when he was screeching at everyone about Trump)
+1 fuck derpbook.
You’re just a sympathizer. Viche swine shitlord!
You know that feeling you’re feeling? A sort of relief, along with a sense of lightness, as if your MIL just called you to cancel dinner, or your boss called you on a beautiful, sunny morning to say that the office is closed for the day due to a gas leak? That’s what people who don’t use Facebook feel like. All. The. Time.
Your friend probably thinks you fled Facebook to Daily Stormer.
No, see, you’re not a Nazi, you’re just complicit in the atrocities of Nazism, since you’re not virtue signaling super hard!
Your ex-friend is a hero, though. Thank him.
An anti-Nazi purity test? Really?
This has always been the end game for both the Nazi’s and the left. The left has been tarring Trump and his supporters as deplorable trogladytes from the jump. The Nazi’s just want to be legitimized and be recognized. Mission accomplished, It’s over the SJW’s and left are going to win this fight. It’s going to get scary.
It’s not even about tarring Trump and his supporters. This person knows I’m a minarchist libertarian who can’t stand Trump.
It’s about tarring anyone who doesn’t think exactly like the progressive left as deplorable troglodytes.
The noninsane people in this country hate the far left just as much as they hate the far right and realize they’re more of an actual threat. Don’t lose your head over this.
Just wait. The insane people managed to seize almost the entirety of public education, academia and mainstream media. Talked with a public school teacher recently?
This.
The “noninsane” people are apathetic and apolitical, but they tend to be quite malleable (thus the problem with education and media being overrun by totalitarians)
The commies had a much tighter control of the media and education in the Iron Curtain days and the average man on the street still recognized that everything Pravda said was BS.
I also gotta agree with SRC. Unfortunately.
The left just can’t see past their smug little echo chambers to see how offensive they are to a large swath of the American population. More people are going to get hurt and Trump is going to get reelected.
Damn. That struggle session goes to eleven.
I’ve found the same situation in a number of Derbbook discussions. Honestly, there’s only one way to respond. Ask them if they can bring themselves to denounce the IWW and its influence in Antifa. Ask them if they can denounce communism in no uncertain terms. No “…but socialism…”, no “these communists are bad, but….”, no “it isn’t even comparable”. Ask them if they can say, simply, “Communism is evil and those advocating it really don’t deserve to be taken seriously in American politics”. Neither I, nor any libertarian or conservative I know has any problem saying precisely that about Nazis. Every fucking time that I’ve challenged one of the people making these arguments to say the same about communism, they either obfuscate or cut the conversation off. Every. Fucking. Time.
Well put.
Probably a Nazi, though.
Nein! Oh you didn’t mean me…
I…I need a break. The level of derp you all have shared over the past week is sending my misanthropy into overdrive. I’m genuinely beginning to walk around angry all freakin’ day.
If you or the good people who run the joint see any comments from my handle before Friday evening at the earliest, cat-ass me.
Holy thread fail.
Sorry.
You heard him, cat-ass him. 😛
Damn, that’s good. I’m definitely noting this for future reference.
Thanks.
I really wish it weren’t a real thing. Honestly, I can’t tell you how surprised I am to see so many acquaintances simply can’t bring themselves to say that communism is evil. I really wish I could find common ground that we can agree that both ideologies are evil. I mean, from my thinking, that should come naturally. But, I’m surprised at the number of people pulling this crap. And I’m surprised that the proportion who fail this test approaches 1.
Thats pretty good. If I ever stroke out and my wife and kids make me get a facebook page, I’ll remember that as I’m using my mouth joystick.
That sounds more harsh than I really meant it to be. Read it funnilly if possible.
What they mean is, “Nazi means what ever i want it to mean, and if you try any of this “Rationality” and “drawing distinctions” shit, I’m gonna Nazi You Too!”
The inability to recognize any argument other than an ad hominem is going to doom us all.
“you may actually denounce the Nazis in your posts unlike Trump”
I still don’t see how Trump didn’t denounce the nazis.
This is what I’ve kept hearing that last few days:
“N and A are both bad.”
“How can you defend N?!?!”
did you just use the N word?
I really can’t understand why the left, the liberal, and the MSM cannot understand Juvenile Bluster’s argument. it’s really pretty simple.
— Nazis and white natiionalists are bad, m’kay? If you’re a national socialist or a white nationalist, you’re bad. Good people aren’t Nazis or white nationalists. Got that? It should be obvious. It should literally go without saying if we’re having a discussion in good faith. Are you sure you understand that? Okay, we’ll go on to the second point.
— Everybody has the rights of free speech and free assembly, even Nazis and white nationalists. The 1st Amendment guarantees these rights to Americans.
— The initiation of violence is bad, m’kay? If you initiate violence, you’re bad. Good people don’t initiate violence. Got that? Are you sure you understand that? Okay, we’ll go on to the fourth point.
— It is not a crime to be a bad person — even to be a Nazi or a white nationalist. It is a crime to initiate violence. It is a crime to credibly threaten violence.
— If A initiates violence against B because A thinks B is a bad person, A commits a crime even if B is a Nazi or a white nationalist.
— If A threatens violence against B to suppress B’s freedom of speech and freedom of assembly, A is violating B’s rights, even if B is a Nazi or white nationalist.
— Every time antifa assembles, it does so to threaten to initiate violence against people they don’t like. Antifa’s activities are criminal.
— If you interpret that as a defense of Nazis or white nationalists, go back and re-read the first point. It’s obvious you are not discussing this topic in good faith, or that you are the real fascist. Or, maybe you’re just an idiot.
https://niskanencenter.org/blog/explaining-white-nationalisms-anti-statist-bedfellows/
Are you an anarcho-capitalist? Did you support Ron Paul? Guess what- you’re a Nazi. Hard to differentiate between cosmos and the Left anymore
Like I said with Reason, aiming to be the lowest rung on the progressive ladder is probably a poor strategy.
I love how offended they were by Democracy in Chains – if you want to prog, you gotta learn to self-criticize!
lol I like that he implies Trump is some kind of Rothbardian Messiah. Yeeeeaaaahhh dude.
This is the thing about progs, they think Trump is literally Hitler, and they think they proved it this past weekend, so now they can move onto phase 3: tying things to Trump is now equal to tying things to Hitler in their mind.
This is the thing about progs, they think Trump is literally Hitler,
I’m not convinced at all that they do. If they did, they wouldn’t be posing their fearless opposition on Twitter. They’d be making arrangements to immigrate. They’re convinced that if they screech this loud enough, people will either believe them or indulge them to get them to shut the hell up.
A lot of it is retarded social signaling and just trying to force their views down another’s throat but the stupider among them may believe it.
Hard to differentiate between cosmos and the Left anymore
I believe the entire point of the “Niskanen Center” from day one has been to eliminate the distinction by purging most of the “icky” parts of libertarianism.
That reminds me, any one else get a letter from Allie Howell? She states that Reason taught her about Libertarianism. I want to write her back to tell her, no. No they didn’t.
I just skimmed the first page, with “brother, I was Conservative once, but then I saw the light…” theme, but she seems nice (and totally not made up) so I’ll give it a fair read tonight.
but then I saw the light
And it opened up your eyes?
Yes, a lot of paper wasted. I do like the Reason Foundation Pension/Transportation items I still receive even though I haven’t donated for the past two years.
I am amazed at the amount of paper and postage that Reason has spent on me for the measly donations I gave them, there is no way they are ahead on this deal, reminds me of when I had ten dollars worth of stock and the company sent me a proxy report every year. Thing weighed five pounds and was embossed and gilded and all full colored to the nines.
Cato sent me a pewter coin and I’ve never donated to them. Suckers.
It’s like unemployment they need to show the Koch’s they are looking for work.
Ditto. Well the sending part. I did actually donate to them in 1990-something.
I really took the pewter coin thing as an extra insult. “HELLO, I’m one of the hard money anti war assholes you excimmunicated after 9/11, fuck you forever”
Ezekiel Elliot is appealing his suspension. This caught my eye:
Didn’t the cops say this girl was full of it, but the NFL decided to suspend him anyway?
This is going to go badly for the NFL and the accuser. Allegedly there are text messages from the girl suggesting that she was going to ruin his carreer and that nobody would believe him because he was black and she was a white woman.
Believe HER!
*sobs uncontrollably*
I give you an empty links to play in.
Plenty of
lebensraumelbow room. Comfy.Is there nothing that the race card doesn’t improve?
The Minneapolis Park Board decided to close a public golf course it operates and that decision is now being challenged because the course was the first to allow black golfers to play 60 years ago.
Compromise: Re-open it for one month every February.
Polar golf.
It exists.
BTW, the racist reason that those crackers are closing the club is because it is located on a flood plain and they have to pump a shit ton of groundwater out just to keep it from flooding.
They are already violating the law by pumping 200M gallons of water out of the course. They only are permitted to pump 36.5M gallons by the DNR. Wonder how well this would have went over if this had been a private developer pumping that much water out?
Why do black people from 60 years ago hate mother earth so much?
So it’s a battle of blacks vs environmentalists. Time to get more popcorn
So now they are worried about killing history.
They should rename it as the Nathan Bedford Forrest Memorial GC and put up a statue…
Might speed things along?
And so begins the national historical registery of first x does y.
To be fair, there argument is virtually no different than people defending confederate statues that were only put up 70 or 80 years ago. There’s merit to both arguments (this one probably more so)
*their argument
No it’s not. Statues exist for historical purpose, golf courses don’t. The statues are being torn down in some bizarre attempt to undo history, the golf course isn’t.
I gotta keep disagreeing with this. Statues are not put up for historical reasons. They are not the wax museum. Statues are put up to honor people, and I think this is self evident, so the constant “erasing history” thing is bunk. This is why statues of Lenin were torn down, as well as statues of Saddam Hussein. There are statues of Washington and Lincoln, but not Benedict Arnold or Charles Manson.
The first paragraph of the article states “…one of the first Minneapolis courses that welcomed African-Americans.” I’m curious to what extent golf-courses were white-only in Minnesota?
They are all white about 9 months of the year.
/rousing applause.
Sell it. And if you’re worried about losing green space, sell it with a covenant.
Sell it? FOOL!
We have plans to super-prog it. Behold the Hiawatha Ecological Park and Food Forest.
Suck it Portland. We are gonna make you fuckers look like the Alt-right with all our good think.
*researches property in South Dakota*
Actually if you read the response from the Park Board member, she is sort of sensible. She cautions that you have to consider the upkeep costs.
I think that there is a lot of prog hate for the park board here because they are independent of the usual machine politics. They have their own taxes, elections and board.
I deal with them a few times a year and they are suprisingly easy to work with. Most low level employees can make decisions and they get that they are there to make taxpayers happy.
You are talking nonsense. Government employees exist to make tax payers happy? Madness, absolute madness. Next, you’ll be telling me that governments are instituted among men to protect life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
There is a legit concept behind the food forest and I’ve seen them implemented with great effect on private property. I’d like to put one in myself on our property when I have the time. It’s part of the permaculture concept of land development which can be an incredibly effective method of working smarter, not harder. See Joel Salatin at Polyface farms for probably the best example of permaculture done well. There’s plenty of charlatans too though.
Moreover, it would serve as a foraging forest, with an open harvest policy that would “welcome everyone to harvest what they need. Community partnerships could ensure excess food goes to those who need it most.”
Now every single food forest I’ve head of on public land, without exception, has immediately been stripped bare and failed miserably.
You know those “take a penny, leave a penny” dishes? How come the ones in the ghetto are always empty?
Because EBT is cashless?
Ok, I apparently can’t remember what song has “What’s change, when i’m trying to save up for the Range” in it. Google doesn’t either. I thought it was handsome Boy Modeling school…
fuck it. now I have no link and this post is pointless.
Wait until the urbanites die from poisonous mushrooms.
a large park where almost everything is edible
A hunting preserve?
Will they let people make gin from the juniper berries?
Remember to only pick things above waist height.
I’m a reasonable guy. How about a national compromise. They keep the park open and bring in the confederate statues. I’m sure they’ll love it since they’re all about protecting history.
Maybe some sort of mini-golf mashup. You have to putt into the ass of Gen. Lee’s horse and it comes out his mouth into the hole?
We decided that we needed to take matters into our own hands
So you’re buying it to use as you see fit? Oh.
Leave it open 3 out of every 5 days.
*blows whistle* can we get a ruling here, Swiss?
To rerun one of my earlier comments:
What does it say about the legacy media that you have to turn to Ann Coulter for the real news?
There’s a major immigration reform bill here. Here’s a chance to discuss substantive issues…
But it’s much more fun to see how many times you can work “Trump” and “nazi” into the same sentence.
30 years ago today, Flight 255 crashed and killed all but one on board.
SHE IS UNBREAKABLE!
Isn’t this how that movie ‘Unbreakable’ begins?
I saw a movie like this. What was the name again…La Bamba.
For any of you longing for a heart warming reprieve from this week’s general retardation, I humbly suggest checking out Piers Morgan getting his buttery British ass royally handed to him by none other than Ben Shapiro on Twitter right now.
POST LINKS DAMMIT!
He’s taking it from so many sides, I really don’t know where to begin. Okay, here’s Talib Kweli with the Chuck D rope-a-dope:
https://twitter.com/TalibKweli/status/897893831877775360
I couldn’t possibly make this up. It’s really that good.
his replies
linky no worky for me
hmm.will this work?
What an arrogant little limey fascist asshole
I can never follow twitter conversations. Who is talking to whom?
Think of it like this. You go to a ball game and you see a guy in the stadium wearing a shirt that says something on it. So you put on a shirt that says something in response to that guy’s shirt while you’re wandering around the stadium. Then someone puts on a shirt that says something about your shirt. You may or may not ever see that guy, but he doesn’t care because he isn’t wearing the shirt for you to see. He’s wearing it so other people he doesn’t know will see him wearing it.
Thanks it now makes sense -kinda. I’ve right in avoiding it.
Wow, what a fuckin’ dumpster fire. Twitter is just like watching Dr. Phil.
Something I ran across while researching for an article I’m writing:
New Civil War?
The acceptance of violence and the inevitability of it coming to a head is becoming ingrained in the social consciousness. This lady completely misses the reasons why it has gotten to this point, but she feels the same violent undercurrent everybody else does.
WTF? How do you even begin to quantify such a question? That is pure retardation.
I imagine the ghost of John McLaughlin yelling “WRONG!” at all of them.
Heh, that’s beautiful.
+1 BUUY BYE!
McLaughlin did? Oh, that’s sad.
Lefties love to wrap everything up in science-like language to give it a facade of legitimacy.
I’m reminded of a discussion I had with a “progressive” about whether or not Democrat policies actually helped the poor. I obviously claimed that they didn’t, and he replied, “Actually, I read a study that showed that Democrat policies help the poor, but Republicans are better at convincing people that their policies help the poor even when they don’t.”
It’s a big problem when people think that the same exact methodology for both physical sciences and social sciences.
I used to take part in studies like that all the time for beer money on Mechanical Turk. They’re just as accurate as the sociology grad student in their 20s with Bernie or Hillary posters in their home wants it to be… so they’re basically all obviously biased trash that should have been spiked by an overseeing professor, if that professor didn’t also share their biases.
Actually, I read a study that showed that Democrat policies help the poor, but Republicans are better at convincing people that their policies help the poor even when they don’t
I’m sure they didn’t just cherry-pick certain polices and covered the entire slate of commonalities between Democrat-governed areas and Republican-governed areas, and they didn’t just define success as “we gave him $500 and now he has $500 that he didn’t have before”.
Hell, the supporters of Obamacare touted the number of new Medicaid signups as a measure of success, so it wouldn’t surprise me one bit if the “study” was nothing more than “a lot of people have signed up for this program, and this program helps people, therefore we have helped a lot of people“.
Yeah, that was a fun one. “We expanded Medicaid eligibility, we forced eligible people to sign up for it, and what do you know, many of them did just that”.
s/between/among/
as in, “the things that are common to all Democrat-governed areas vs. the things that are common to all Republican-governed areas”
I put it at less than %1. What do I get when I’m right?
Brett needs catbutted.
Like I said with Reason, aiming to be the lowest rung on the progressive ladder is probably a poor strategy.
Libertarianism with training wheels.
Except it just seems to be training wheels, now days.
Progs with training wheels is how I see it. Hopefully I’m wrong.
I’ll repost what I said in the prior thread:
Look, I’ve said good things about Trump, and I’ve even tried to indulge the pretense that If Only Trump Knew What Sessions Was Doing…
But no more.
In this particular context, and with relation to this particular issue, fuck Donald Trump. Fuck you, you New York City values-having Democrat in drag, fuck you right up the ass with your wife’s dildo, you cocksucker.
‘
…not to mention adulterer, rent-control-sympathertic cuck (as long as it doesn’t affect your high-end apartment rentals), and highway-robber (via Sessions whom you appointed).
…about 95% of my posts have been sympathetic to you, but the other 5% are to remind the reader that you’re a political hermaphrodite, an enemy of marriage on the personal and political level, someone who is only tolerable in comparison to Democrats and squishy Republicans, which is like if you ran int he Special Olympics and won because everyone else is a retard, so fuck you and your racist housing having father (who for the sake of charity I will assume was actually your father) and fuck the political establishment for making you look good in comparison to them.
Trump is responsible for everything Sessions does. Trump hired him and by doing that endorses everything he does. Sessions’ position on asset forfeiture is appalling. There is no defending it and it is a blot on Trump’s entire Presidency. Sadly, there is zero chance of him ever paying any political price or any political pressure to change that, because the media is too busy virtue signaling about how Trump doesn’t hate Virginia Nazis enough.
That’s why, someone “OMG Trump and his Nazis want to deny health care,” I’m like “fuck you for putting me in the position where I have to defend this cocksucker yet again, simply because he’s less of a cocksucker than you are, and it’s so important for the public for you to lose that sometimes I need to want Trump to win.”
Lord, what foul language
Something cracked inside Eddie…
Eddie has snapped. Quick get the rosary and some holy water!
I need an old priest and a young priest or just Keanu Reeves.
The Fushionist reached critical derp?
You should have seen what I’d have said if this wasn’t a family-friendly blog.
“You’re a true vulgarian, aren’t you?
Apologize!
love that movie so very much!
Did you just suddenly realize what a dick Sessions is? I’m surprised that he hasn’t raided legal pot shops in CO yet. You know he wants to.
He can have my legal pot when he pries my gun or of my cold, dead hand.
On a family friendly site.
Hey John. I haven’t personally greeted you here. Good to see you. And I agree with this post.
Is he John John, or just a John?
I haven’t seen a Johno yet, so the jury is still out.
In saecula saeculorum!
Trump’s a straight up law & order authoritarian.
Fucking this.
If I win Powerball tonight I’m buying an island and declaring it a sovereign nation. You’re all invited.
Are we talking Caribbean island or Aleutian?
Better set enough aside to buy a nuke or two. Sovereignty these days seems to require nukes.
All joking aside, Eddie, my respect for you has gone up several notches. And I actually agreed with John’s comment.
I may need therapy.
*feels forehead*
“Get this man some pot, and some messican ass stat!”
Hoo Boy!
Cedar Point unveils new coaster ‘Steel Vengeance’
“Steel Vengeance-Official POV”
I’m pretty I’ve seen that video on xHamster.
Careful, you’ll put out an eye!
In response to CNN’s “Four Confederate Monuments were taken down in Baltimore overnight as result of a city council vote”
Oh great, now where are all the pigeons supposed to shit
– Iowahawk
I asked someone today to tell me how someone like Toulouse Lautrec (cultural appropriator!!) or Henri David (supporter of white supremacy and French colonialism) doesn’t run afoul with SJW dogma just as much or more than any Confederate general. They had no answer. It is just a matter of time before these animals go after the rest of Western Art.
They really are the fucking Taliban.
Funny thing is, both the Alt-right and the Alt-left hate Jews and Israel.
Stupid is as stupid does.
To be fair, pretty much everybody hates Jews.
(((I keed, I keed)))
We need to de-name every building named after the late Senator Robert Byrd.
It’s already happening. Only it’s Claude Monet.
I’m sure the actual Japanese get a kick out of that, what with their habit of being some of the best cultural appropriators on the planet.
It is a certainty that not a single actual Japanese person is part of the outrage brigade over this. You can’t culturally appropriate anything but you of course claim to be outraged for people you have never met and know nothing about. It is fucking pathetic.
Okay, that’s it. Get out the woodchippers.
We have a brutal efficiency to our atrocities that the free helicopter rides people lack. Afterwards the woodchipper slomp is sold as high grade industrial fertilizer.
Dog food, of course. Considering what most antifa eat, I can claim I feed my dog only an organic vegan locally sourced diet.
But can you claim its antibiotic-free?
Dude, you ever talk to those people? The venn diagram amongst anti-vaxxers and people who refuse to take antibiotics is almost a single circle.
Not on this specifically. I did get a talking to from a lady cocerned I put my cell phone in my sons i fant carrier. Something about radiation.
Why would you want to give your dogs diarrhea?
Nothing but greasy fat in that soup.
I’m outraged!
*drops culturally appropriated gloves*
Lautrec was differently-abled – he had a syndrome named after him – stop blaming victims!
Did they even know who these people were or are they doing what I am doing at this moment* and pretending to know who they are for sake of not looking like a complete idiot?
*I plan to look them up later.
The Onion’s take.
American Taliban behaviour if you ask me.
Feel better now?
It’s Baltimore. Pigeon shit is generally an improvement.
Judge Taney was never a confederate. He may have been a shitty judge that delivered one of the worst Supreme Court rulings in history, but he has zero relation to the confederacy. Which proves that this will not end with confederate statues
Right. And the Scott decision was 7-2, so it’s not like he was the deciding vote. Plus, what’s Ex parte Merryman, chopped liver?
Shit, looks like PM Zoolander is planning to do stuff. Not good!
Canada’s goals for ‘progressive’ NAFTA include labour and environmental standards, gender equality
Mr Trump, please make her cry. Euroweenies made her cry. You wouldn’t want to look weak compared to Euroweenies, would you?
But Freeland, I thought you said that free trade agreements were evil contracts designed to oppress people by the Je…I mean capitalists, right, it’s the capitalists now.
This is how you get an ice wall.
This made me laugh
That burn was so sick my communist manifesto caught fire.
In Total War Warhammer news: FUCK YES MOTHERFUCKING SKAVEN. And they get DOOMWHEELS and HELL PIT ABOMINATIONS! I can’t wait to steal, eat and generally shit on the Old World.
/continues to furiously geek out
An anti-Nazi purity test? Really?
If you haven’t outed a Nazi in the last fifteen minutes, you’re a Nazi.
That’s just how it works.
You’re also a Nazi if you say outright that Nazis are shit excuses for human beings but that responding to speech with actual violence is wrong.
Obama has most liked Tweet ever.
We’re done.
We lost.
Orrrrrrrrr that might have something to do with Twitter desperately trying to become a Prog Echo Chamber and scaring others away.
The “most liked tweet” is the same as being the tallest midget.
Barack Obama ✔ @BarackObama
“No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin or his background or his religion…”
Things Obama didn’t say while he was in power when he had the chance for $400 Alex.
“No one is born hating another person because of the color of his skin or his background or his religion…”
Indeed, they learn it from people like your mentor Jeremiah Wright or your dear friend Al Sharpton.
I doubt that’s true, I would like to see some evidence. Venturing around people not like you could be deadly for much of history. In fact a good bit of history is people attacking others not like them. Given it’s ubiquity I would start with the assumption it’s evolutionary and see if it can be disproved.
That’s not the worst part. The tweet in tweet in queestion? A word for word quote of Nelson Mandela.
He literally just reposted someone else’s words.
The man is a useful idiot. The word ‘idiot’ is included in that label for a good reason.
I don’t think he’s useful.
You Canadians quit to quickly.
The Quebeckers do not represent us.
So they are the Nazis?
He won’t be saying that when we separate!
He could eat a bologna sandwich, puke it into a cup, tweet a photo of it and it would likely get 2 million likes.
Bullshit. There are way more elitists, racists, and fuckwits on this rock than that.
Wait wait wait…
Trump uses Twitter, and it’s undignified, boorish, and an insult to the seriousness of the presidency… But Obama uses Twitter, and it’s not only acceptable but simply amazing and scores him the most liked tweet ever?
I know there’s a distinction to be made between a current POTUS and a former POTUS, but let’s be honest, that’s not the issue here.
This article has maps that show exactly how purposefully the state police shoved the alt-right people directly into the path of the big antifa crowd, then stood back and admired the conflagration.
yep.
Oh, this actually turned out to be true, then? Great. Just great. Can’t wait for it to happen again, ugh.
I doubt the cops came up with that on their own
The Chicago PD often employs a tactic that involves dropping gang members off in rivals’ territories if they don’t cooperate, and needless to say the local (selective) civil rights activists are livid about it. I’d like to ask them how they feel about this sometime.
That’s really interesting. I noted on the morning thread about a video I watched about an armed militia group that was there. They were unaffiliated with the alt-right and only cared about the statues.
According to the accompanying commentary from a leftist group, one of the antifa leaders approached the militia group and asked if the group wanted safe passage out once things started getting violent. Antifa then talked to the cops and both Antifa and the cops made a path for the armed militia to get out.
I thought that showed coordination between antifa and the cops at some level. Also showed some sort of decision making element within Anitfa that they chose to engage the unarmed alt-right but wisely backed off the heavily armed militia group and even went to protect their safe passage from other members.
Really? That’s one smoking gun, there. Still for the link in your clipboard?
Still got the link? Stupid phone
Afternoon Glibs! Longtime lurker, first time commenter. We discussed on the discord about forming a fantasy football league for those who weren’t able to be part of the official glibs league (or those who are and just want to play in another). Any ways, anyone is welcome, regardless of skill level or participation levels in the comments; just thought I would reach out here to see if anyone is interested.
Hi, Tulpa.
No one with a Lemmy avatar could possibly be Tulpa
Tulpe would say that, right Tulpa?
Gilmore is the •Tulpa
Tulpa always used a lot of bullets, I remember that.
It’s our version of the Welcome Wagon. Someone calls the new guy ‘Tulpa’ and someone else tells him to fuck off.
Kind of sweet, really.
My comment was of the “No one who speaks German could be an evil man“, tongue-in-cheek-variety
It’s the perfect Tulpa disguise. Anyway, I thought that Hi Tulpa is regarded as the traditional Glibertarian welcome. I was going to say Fuck you Tulpa, but then I remembered it’s a family friendly site.
You guys keep assuming “family friendly” means something sweet and nice. What if it’s a rating for the Manson family?
Or this funky family.
$300,000 in federal gov cash going to a frankenstein party in Indiana. Still probably not in my top 10 wastes of tax dollars
http://www.mrctv.org/blog/feds-shower-third-million-dollars-frankenstein-themed-beer-garden-really#.WZSdxPkteXg.facebook
On one hand, principles.
On the other, the phrase “beer garden”.
You can see the bind I’m in.
I like gardening as much as the next guy but $300k would feed a lot of starving kids, house the poor, or lots of ammo for police depts.
I still don’t see “beer” on your list, though.
Unless “ammo” is codeword for “beer”?
If you had good taste like me and disliked beer this wouldn’t be a problem.
Ted S is a witch! Burn him! Burn the witch!
On a first read, I thought “Frankenstein party” meant a political party and I was very interested in joining.
Aren’t they all?
You would think we have enough letters in the alphabet where each word could only have one meaning. Could clear up a lot of problems
http://legalinsurrection.com/2017/08/student-attacked-at-charlottesville-vigil-in-syracuse-for-wearing-yaf-cap/
EXCLUSIVE YAF VIDEO: Conservative Student Attacked For Wearing YAF Hat At Vigil For Charlottesville Victims
Do the various conservative and liberaltarian dumb asses who are downplaying how violent antifa is or in some cases outright denying it not think those animals are going to eventually attack them?
I wish he had stabbed all four of them. I know I would have.
John, the silly fuckers never think it will be them up against the wall.
Yes, they truly think that their version of libertarianism will never be tied to any other group, and therefore socially acceptable to beat them.
I have heard straight from the horse’s mouth that libertarians are already enemy #1 for antifa because we absolutely will not bow to their shit and constantly call them on it. We’re first on the list.
They’re clearly not familiar with Firearms Friday.
That almost sounds like you’re advocating disproportionate force. Naughty, naughty, Spartan Dad.
Not at all, just pointing out that Liberatarians may not be such soft targets. Cosmos on the other hand…can’t help them.
Aw, darnit! I was hoping for something like this:
Antifa Goon (waving club): Bash the fash!!!
BOOM! BOOM! BOOM! BOOM! BOOM! BOOM!
(reloading sounds)
BOOM! BOOM! BOOM! BOOM! BOOM! BOOM!
Glibertarian: Damn! Nice grouping, Spartan!
Six rounds?! What is this, New York?!
NAP doesn’t say anything about disproportionate force. Somebody attacks me with a rolled up newspaper, I will defend with whatever force I want.
Posted about this yesterday. http://registerguard.com/rg/news/local/35862712-75/hundreds-in-eugene-march-against-hate-amid-national-outcry-over-neo-nazi-rally-in-virginia.html.csp
Check out the baseball bat in the backpack. Advance two frame to the front view and note the sharp stake used for the sign.
The sign handle could be coincidental, but I have a hard time believing that individual just came from little league practice.
“White Silence is Violence.” Speech is violence, silence is violence… hmm.
“Welp, in for a penny, in for a pound”
*wraps baseball bat in barbed wire*
+ 1 Lucille
I love the sign “white silence is violence”
Ignorance is bliss-tering hate.
In the second frame, there is a large Democratic Socialists of America sign. The lady who was killed in Cville was a member of DSA and IWW (according to a DSA press release).
How you can look yourself in the mirror and call yourself a conservative or libertarian while excusing communists beating people in the streets is beyond me.
LA Dog Train completely loses their shit, pretend objectivity, and any sense of reason
Trump provokes new furor by giving foes of white supremacists equal blame for Charlottesville violence. Yeah, he’s creating chaos by blaming a group that intended to use for using violence. Fucking morons. Reporter then tries to tar Trump as a white supremacist for asking where does the cultural revolution end and quote unhinged political opponents as some sort of impartial judges.
*ahem* LA Dog Trainer
Mr Link, he dead.
translation: trump says something reasonable -> media freaks out
Linky no workee.
I’m outraged!
your link needs more training.
F me. Try this again
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-tweets-20170815-story.html
Dangit. I was hoping it meant that the LA Times had gone bankrupt.
Oh well, there’s always tomorrow. It shouldn’t be long.
I do think he misstepped by saying there were fine people on both sides. If the commies hadn’t shown up, it would have been the usual — nonviolent Nazis (not fine people, unless we’ve lowered the bar for that dramatically) versus nonviolent people opposed to Nazism (presumption of being fine people in the absence of evidence to the contrary). There might be fine people on both sides of the statue issue, but not so much on both sides of the white power rally.
Yeah, my understanding is that not everyone protesting the removal of the statue was a Nazi, so it’s possible there were fine people there.
So, if your kid is racist…
I was thinking about this the other day, my son’s best friends are a little italian/redneck, a redneck/latino and a redneck/black kid. I only thought about because I constantly see my peers posting bullshit on facebook like the above and it is always from people who only spend time around other white people. I grew up in SC and in 35 years it has never occurred to me that I base my opinion of someone on anything other than whether they are an asshole or not. I mean, I do not know any racists my age that grew up here.
How can a black kid have a red neck? FAKE NEWS!
His dad banged a redneck chick.
that was a joke.
This would be the south carolina between north carolina and georgia, correct? The same one where a random guy stopped his truck just to call me a nigger lover the first week I was there? THAT South Carolina?
Well, it’s true, isn’t it?
But ya fook just ONE goat….
Where in SC? I lived there for three years and somehow I never encountered that part of the population.
To be sure, I knew they were there, its just that towns with a military base have a large non-local population.
I was upstate. It’s different there.
The upstate is… special.
Ah. There were some towns I was told not to go to. Especially with my not-mexican wife.
You can get that in any rural area, though. I’m not gonna go all armchair sociologist, but I think it’s just because in rural areas it’s much easier to pick and choose who you surround yourself with since the population density is so low. If you don’t like black people, you don’t have to interact with them. And, what’s more, you can spend all your time with people who feel the same way. You can be racist as shit and nobody whose opinion you care about will call you out on it, there aren’t really passers-by to call you out on it, and you probably aren’t spending time with black people you like enough to make you feel conflicted about it.
Obviously, you can switch the races to whichever two you’d like and I think the mechanism still works.
Interesting, because I think in many small towns you are forced (because of lack of options) to interact and even socialize with people that don’t share your views. But in a city you can seek out the like minded and avoid those that disagree.
People do refer to the “anonymity of the crowd”, so that makes sense too.
Yeah, my truck was breaking down. I had to release my anger on somebody. You just happened to be close by.
“So, if your kid is racist…”
Then you obviously have to report it to the ministry of racism.
That’s true everywhere R.
This rising tide of racists exist in a fantasy world for the sole purpose of providing a pretense for violence
I don’t know if the tide is rising but I’ve known/know* racists of all ages, running from virulent to casual. I don’t believe racism is the biggest problem in the world** but I’m not going to stick my fingers in my ears and pretend it doesn’t exist either.
* Old family/friends can’t really unknow ’em even if they are assholes.
** or second biggest or third, forth, etc, and so forth.
I’ve definitely known racists, but if it’s becoming more common or socially acceptable, it’s only because the internet is making it easier for people to find out exactly how much racism the left tolerates within their own ranks (and how much misogyny and homophobia, via their affiliation with radical Muslims). If you think of liberalism more like a political version of the Geneva conventions, rather than a moral absolute, then some people are going to feel like chumps for being the last people following the rules and react badly.
The left doesn’t just tolerate racism. They actively encourage it.
Identity politics is core to the left now. Identity politics is racism. The left has legitimized identity politics and thus racism. QED.
https://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/superyacht-vard-1-08-ice-sun/
I will take it.
Leonardo better jump on that.
Boat salesman once told me “you are going to spend the price of the boat in maintenance every ten years”
It’s a hole in the water you throw money into.
When I was working for a bankruptcy attorney I’d say about seventy percent of her clients owned a boat when they filed.
Makes sense. You don’t end up filing for bankruptcy because you make good financial decisions.
When I first moved to DC I took sailing lessons and had fantasies of buying a boat. Then I decided I should find a cheaper hobby. You know, like snorting coke.
The two happiest days in a boat owner’s life are the day he buys it and the day he sells it.
I think the worst thing is that, if you have a boat, and are paying that kinda money, then you feel guilty if you don’t take the boat out every weekend. Wanna do something else? Nope, you’re paying too much for the boat, you have to take it out or you’re wasting money.
THOT in the lynx is Thicc AF
I just had a shirt idea.
IF I REALLY WAS A NAZI, YOU’D BE IN AN OVEN BY NOW.
It might need some work.
Your mom’s a NAZI!
She’s in mein kampf right now.
If I Really Was a Nazi,
You Wouldn’t Be the One
Throwing the First Punch
I like it pretty well as it is.
“I went to Charlottesville and all I got was this Muh Narrative Tshirt”
I went to Charlottesville and now I feel run down.
‘I’m with stupid’ Charlottesville t-shirt discounted!
‘Kiss me, I’m half Irish, half Alt-right.’
Hey…you picking on the Irish?
Gun themed version of the same idea.
If I really was a NAZI
You would be speaking German.
Wear it with “Kiss the Cook” apron!
Do you people just hate the subjunctive or what?
No, and I did not have to look that word up. *stares at screen*
Agreed. Does that make me old and pervy like you?
Damn somebody else for noticing that too!
It’s :If I WERE a NAZI…
Don’t you people even subjunctive?
Man are these “business leaders” resigning full of shit or what?
Fuck you!
/raises middle finger.
I was reading my Derpbook newsfeed, and for the first time in my life, I legitimately think I may see/be a part of a Civil War in my lifetime.
I don’t see it happening. These people haven’t got the tenacity of the Tamil Tigers, never mind the organizational capacity of the Confederacy. Their street brawls are detestable but not likely to spill over into the population-at-large.
Civil unrest maybe, lots of police putting boots to protesters and demonstrators, but no actual civil war.
All the mewling “but what’s wrong with being anti-fascist?” and “but what’s wrong with punching Nazis?” speech may not be violent, but it is violently offensive.
but what’s wrong with being anti-fascist?
Nothing, but all the people I see loudly claiming to be anti-fascist are pretty much the fucking fascists, as far as I can tell.
They are marxists. They do what pinkos always do. They thought between obama and Hillary they would get utopia but America said no. Now they are trying violence.
They are going to lose.
Street brawls are a very different beast from a civil war. Antifa would get rolled by any kind of professional forces. And the military would appear to be largely on one side of this.
I’m still saying that the more likely outcome is riots and 70s-style left wing terrorism.
JT you keep ruining my civil war boner. Not cool man.
What, you don’t want to see a naked Mattis wrapped in the American flag single-handedly eviscerate a crowd of hundreds of Antifa members?
That depends… can I do it myself?
And the military would appear to be largely on one side of this.
Which side?
Because as far as I can tell, the cops in Charlottesville, Berkeley, etc. did pretty much what the leftist goons wanted. What would they do differently if they weren’t on the antifa side? They are the ones shutting down right wingers and enforcing the lefty heckler’s veto. They are the ones who, when someone is attacked at a press conference, remove the victim and leave the attackers to do a victory dance.
And, yeah, they are “just following orders” from their scumbag political masters, but isn’t that what the military does?
Cops=/=Military, nor does their rather stupid moves recently imply they’re sympathetic to Antifa (although there’s certainly a group of people sympathetic above them). Cops shoot black kids with fake guns, you can’t tell me with a straight face that they’ll bow to Antifa if they’re directly attacked.
The military leans right, and is fairly pro-Trump, and fucking loves Mattis. Antifa are the shithead noodle armed rich kids they make fun of. Do the math.
Cops=/=Military I know, but I suspect that they lean conservative in about equal measure. The cops do what they are told by their lefty bosses, why would we expect the military to be any different? Would the cops hold off on antifa if directly attacked? I’d like to think not, but they have been attacked, and I don’t recall much in the way of retaliation or follow-through. In fact, I think the most likely response, since cops hate heading into danger, would be to back off (as they have) and give the antifa goons free reign. Which is all antifa needs.
All I’m saying is, its not a given that the military or the cops will be acting in opposition to the lefty goons. Remember, the National Guard is under the orders of the Governor. As long as antifa confines their activities to states unwilling to stand up to them, the National Guard won’t either, and that’s all they need to win.
the National Guard won’t either, and that’s all they need to win.
Uh, no, that’s not ‘all they need to win’ if we’re discussing a civil war scenario, which is the entire point of this conversation. If a civil war scenario occurs, Antifa gets stomped by the army. Period. They’re a group of incompetent rioters that only exist because the powers that be have shown an unwillingness to stomp them. That is their only defense, and it disappears in a civil war scenario.
If a civil war scenario occurs, Antifa gets stomped by the army.
Not arguing, assuming they are ordered to stomp on Antifa. Who they get ordered to stomp on is entirely a function of who is in the White House. Trump would point them at Antifa, but do you seriously think any of the leading Dem contenders would if they were in the White House?
We may need to define what we mean by civil war. If we are talking about concerted violent effort to overthrow a standing government, then the chances of that are low indeed. If, however, we are talking about massive prolonged civil unrest a la Rodney King or Katrina, then I say the chances of that are frighteningly high right now.
You think the Dems are going to have a good shot at the Presidency while allowing insane left-wing rioters to attack people?
If we get the ‘Rodney King’ scenario, it’s not going to be pretty for Antifa either. Because suddenly there’s going to be a lot more of those Korean guys with rifles, and they won’t be hanging out on their roofs either. If Antifa continues, their right wing equivalent will emerge. And probably be better at it than them, because they’re more likely to have vets and people familiar with firearms.
massive prolonged civil unrest a la Rodney King or Katrina
At some point, I think, the civil unrest would get so out of hand that even lefty politicians would have to intervene. Of course, I thought we passed that point some time ago.
Can the Dems win the Presidency with lefty riots going on around the country? I would have said “no way” as recently as a year ago, but our politics has become so unhinged the best I can come up with now is “mmm, probably not?”.
Note that the Repub establishment is falling over themselves to assist the lefty scum in this project. Who would the Repub establishment put up that would generate enthusiasm as an opponent to the lefty scum? I could see the Dems staying united enough to win against a divided field of opponents.
If Antifa continues, their right wing equivalent will emerge.
Its already happening. The question is, who will the armed agents of the state go after? So far, it hasn’t been antifa, its been their antithesis.
Then their tactics evolve and we get more of an insurgency scenario. No matter how hard they come down on violent right-wing protesters they are not going to stop a guy who dresses up as an antifa member and drops a backpack bomb in the middle of their crowds.
Thread is full. This is in response to something above, can’t remember what because alcohol and pot, but most of the first motorcycle gangs, including SoS and hells Angels were started by vets, and have a hierarchical organization very remerant of the military.
Just to be clear – I don’t think we are anywhere near an actual civil war with competing claims on the legitimate government.
As far as enforcing public order, though, I don’t think the National Guard is likely to be all that much different from the cops. They get their orders from the same people, and if those people are lefty scum, they will act to advance the interests of lefty scum, as we just saw.
As bad as Portland has gotten since I left, the cops have consistently come down hard on rioting in the city. At least that’s what I’ve seen from the videos. Might just be the exception that proves the rule but not all police departments in left wing cities are of the “let them burn it” persuasion.
the cops have consistently come down hard on rioting in the city.
I would like to think that the pro-antifa reaction is limited to handful of cities.
But then I see how many cities are doing as antifa demands and going after their own Confederate memorials.
Let’s just say there’s a dynamic at work now, it works in favor of antifa, and I don’t yet see any sign that it will change. I would not assume for one instant that law enforcement and the military will be ordered to oppose the left wing radicals, simply because so far the opposite has been the case.
Military definitely has internal division but there were several reported cases of using Victorious Trump and Saint Mattis memes in lieu of official photos on the chain of command walls and the little incident of SEALs driving around town flying a Trump flag near Ft Knox in January. But as always it depends more on perceived legitimacy than anything else.
Charlottesville, like Berkeley, is a proggie haven, just more stuck up. I would not be surprised at all if the local pols coordinated with the police to get the protestors in hot water so they didn’t show up again.
Yeah, I was thinking a lot the same thing. The military isn’t going to line up in a violent coup against Trump. That puts them at his disposal. Any battle is like a hot knife through butter.
Internet companies are continuing to purge wrongthinkers. Mailchimp dumped Milo and a few others. Cloudflare (anti-DDoS service) dumped Daily Stormer. Fun times ahead.
Yep. This is the free speech left.
Gab filling us in on twitter, ironically enough.
See, putting Milo (a gay foreigner) in with the daily stormer is really scaring the fuck out of me.
Well at least there’s some self-awareness of how fucked up this is.
http://gizmodo.com/cloudflare-ceo-on-terminating-service-to-neo-nazi-site-1797915295
The right answer is for us to be consistently content neutral. But we need to have a conversation about who and how the content online is controlled.
Holy shit, this is literally a thesis-antithesis in action. I’m actually curious how he achieves synthesis.
They should make him CEO of Google.
this is the sort of speech the Google guy SHOULD have made after shitcanning Demore. admit it was arbitrary and capricious, and a situation forced upon him by a media fanfare. then admit that the whole ‘diversity’ thing is a mess and has no clear ‘science’ or logic to it, but “fuck it” they’re sticking to their proggy guns anyway.
He would have actually been better received by both the left and right, and praised for his ability to navigate a complex political/optical problem
Many fans of the Hegelian dialectic will help him.
Er, why not?
Surely there are many more to purge first.
Doesn’t “content neutral” mean nobody is having a conversation about how to control the content?
I just Binged (because fuck you, Google) “confederate grave” news, and got a wall of stories about how Confederate Memorials are being removed all over the country.
And what I was looking for was a story about how someone tried to dig up an actual gravesite. I’ll keep looking, but that news search was truly horrifying. We are devolving more rapidly than I thought as a nation.
Ah, here it is. Naturally, reported only overseas.
Got to love it when it’s only the Daily Mail covering an American story.
re: graves
It was something i was considering writing to Shikha about when she said she hoped “All confederate memorials” be destroyed.
e.g. Does she plan to exhume the tens of thousands of confederate dead herself, or does she expect the state to do it on her behalf?
“Ladies and Gentlemen I accept the flowers as a memento of reconciliation between the white and colored races of the southern states. I accept it more particularly as it comes from a colored lady, for if there is any one on God’s earth who loves the ladies I believe it is myself. (Immense applause and laughter.) This day is a day that is proud to me, having occupied the position that I did for the past twelve years, and been misunderstood by your race. This is the first opportunity I have had during that time to say that I am your friend. I am here a representative of the southern people, one more slandered and maligned than any man in the nation.
I will say to you and to the colored race that men who bore arms and followed the flag of the Confederacy are, with very few exceptions, your friends. I have an opportunity of saying what I have always felt – that I am your friend, for my interests are your interests, and your interests are my interests. We were born on the same soil, breathe the same air, and live in the same land. Why, then, can we not live as brothers? I will say that when the war broke out I felt it my duty to stand by my people. When the time came I did the best I could, and I don’t believe I flickered. I came here with the jeers of some white people, who think that I am doing wrong. I believe that I can exert some influence, and do much to assist the people in strengthening fraternal relations, and shall do all in my power to bring about peace. It has always been my motto to elevate every man- to depress none. (Applause.) I want to elevate you to take positions in law offices, in stores, on farms, and wherever you are capable of going.
I have not said anything about politics today. I don’t propose to say anything about politics. You have a right to elect whom you please; vote for the man you think best, and I think, when that is done, that you and I are freemen. Do as you consider right and honest in electing men for office. I did not come here to make you a long speech, although invited to do so by you. I am not much of a speaker, and my business prevented me from preparing myself. I came to meet you as friends, and welcome you to the white people. I want you to come nearer to us. When I can serve you I will do so. We have but one flag, one country; let us stand together. We may differ in color, but not in sentiment. Use your best judgement in selecting men for office and vote as you think right.
Many things have been said about me which are wrong, and which white and black persons here, who stood by me through the war, can contradict. I have been in the heat of battle when colored men, asked me to protect them. I have placed myself between them and the bullets of my men, and told them they should be kept unharmed. Go to work, be industrious, live honestly and act truly, and when you are oppressed I’ll come to your relief. I thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for this opportunity you have afforded me to be with you, and to assure you that I am with you in heart and in hand.”
What a monster in his old age.
If that Rasmussen poll is accurate (70% opposed to removal), the next round of elections is going to be interesting.
Here
FWIW, polling like this is highly variable depending on the wording and the timing. Phrases like “erase symbols of past history” are going to get you lower support than phrases like, “relocate edifices which express support for slavery”. Very narrow topics like this are hard to poll accurately and consistently. That said, assuming a 20+% margin of error, it still seems that memory-holing the confederacy isn’t in high demand.
One of them http://missoulian.com/opinion/columnists/it-s-time-to-remove-the-confederate-memorial-from-our/article_9843e7b2-0b7a-5bcb-9914-3e50ed49c697.html
No mention of the many Indian tribes that fought for/with the CSA, including the Cherokee Nation that started off for the North but switch sides. It takes a special case of unselfwareness to try to use Indian identity against bigotry & racism as long as racist tribal psuedo-governments still exist.
Given that the next target of the Union Army after fighting the Confederacy was the Indians, I’m not sure how good of an idea that was, strategically speaking.
Not to mention that many of the big names of the Union Army were also key figures in the US Army’s Indian Wars- Sherman, Sheridan, Custer, etc…
Depends what tribe you were a part of, right? I don’t think the US declared war on ‘indians’ rather specific tribes.
U.S. Indian policy after the Civil War was basically “get on the reservations or else”. It is true that the U.S. Army only directly engaged in battle with, and committed massacres against, some of the tribes, but there was very much an attitude of pour encourager les autres; the smaller/less violent tribes didn’t fight their mandatory confinement.
I wonder how many of those Indians fought for the genocide of opposing Indian tribes.
All of them?
I mean, not individually, but probably all the tribes were engaged at some level on with the genocide of their neighbors at some point (just like every other group in human history).
Read that again.
Honestly, using Microsoft for searching is like defending Trump.
I only do it because the alternatives are so odious.
Duck Duck Go does not get along with the Hospital Firewall of Doom.
Re: Suthenboy. I don’t know if I answered but I’m a field tech for a copier and network company
Thank you and congrats again
I’ve seen like 100 versions of this story in the last few days
“Trump supporters unmoved by National Freakout egged on by media: Clearly this means they are Nazi-Sympathizers”
the core argument which i see replicated is, “Unless you’re one of Us…
(by ‘us’, they mean, ‘people frothing at the mouth about a few hundred insignificant loser racists marching around a college town’)
“….You’re one of Them”
(by ‘Them’, they mean, “the horde of invisible enemies of goodness which we call “Nazis”)
It really is remarkable that so many people feel like its perfectly *rational and reasonable* to refer to huge swaths of people who merely disagree with you as, “Nazis”. In any other era it would be a joke. But if you try to point out how silly it is, you’ll just get dark stares.
JournoList 2.0 strikes yet again.
You’re also not allowed to mention the communist antifa physically attacking people for simply exercising their first amendment rights. That also makes you worse than Hitler.
Deplorable are irredeemable. That’s what the lady said
They really are motivated by hate
This is gonna be one of those things like when people talk about starting a war against white men or whatever. There’s a whole hell of a lot more of “them”, and they’re pretty well-armed. Maybe you should try persuasion instead.
I went to Charlottesville and now I feel run down.
Excellent.
Not nice
re: Civil War 2.0
I did a quick skim of some stuff about the Paris riots in ’68. Those guys seem to have been much better organized than our make-believe Cultural Revolutionaries. The strikes/protests were truly nationwide, and the thing still fizzled pretty quickly in the face of serious pushback.
I don’t see the dilettantes standing fast when the vast majority of Americans (people with jobs, and lives, and things to do) start telling them to knock that shit off. I think they’ll retreat to their coffee shops and campuses to resume their ineffectual snivelling. I could be wrong, but I don’t see anything like a Symbionese Liberation Army cell in those pictures.
I agree 100%. Too much of this is MSM/Facebook distortion. Normal people don’t have time for this shit.
Cops actually separate protesters, come down hard on violent behaviour, and Antifa is declared a terrorist organization at a federal level. Most of this goes away.
It seemed like there was a brief moment of sanity when the DC rioters found out they were getting charged with no-more-vote-for-you felonies. The responses of “I didn’t think this would happen to me” perfectly illustrate the problem. They keep rioting because they correctly believe they’ll get away with it. One campus post-Berkeley unmasked every single person forcibly if necessary and unsurprisingly there was no violence.
It seemed like there was a brief moment of sanity when the DC rioters found out they were getting charged with no-more-vote-for-you felonies.
Then they blew off their court dates, and I haven’t a heard a peep about any of them being run to ground, arrested, and tried.
Hence seemed. Sad.
So, new reality show starring Trump and Dog the Bounty Hunter (if he’s not in jail)?
Once the tail starts wagging the dog , the establishment will put them in their place
I agree to an extent, but a big concern is a more effective group co-opting the revolutionary fervor and taking it the rest of the way. The Civil War was started by a raving lunatic trying to take over a fort.
If these idiots think that mainstream Americans are gonna side with Trigglypoof, they’re absolutely insane.
I guess I missed it the other day, but I see that Mitt “gonna put you all back in chains” R-Money is angling for John McCain’s “maverick” spot on the Daily Show.
You go win that fleeting approval from violent communists, Mitt. They’ll really love you for it and stand by you when your hour of need comes, because you demonstrated how not-racist you are in a tweet.
Jesus fucking Christ, no wonder the Republicans couldn’t win with those two bearing the standard.
I thought biden said that.
Yeah, about Mitt. So you’ve got the Vice President and not some supposed lunatic fringe raving about how Romney is going to reinstate slavery and the rest of the peanut gallery going on about keeping women chained to the kitchen barefoot and pregnant, and, you know, that he’s a Nazi…
And Milquetoast Mitt, the Republican socialist from Massachusetts, tries to appease this lot, and throws in with them on this issue.
Some people do not learn the easy way. Apparently getting your ass handed to you in a national election is ‘the easy way’.
I would say Mitt Romney is the biggest embarrassment to the modern GOP, but McCain.
I’m feeling increasingly small everyday, like there’s no “place” sane enough to go to.
And just after I post that I scrolled down and see that booze is now racist.
Where’s that fucking meteor.
Maybe the eclipse will do something crazy and burn the US to ash.
Cool it’s supposed to be clear skies in NYC area Monday.
Colt .45?
How funny is it that Donald Trump had the most Reasoned response to the latest commies vs nazis showdown, and that “Tony” is sympatico with the Reason writers these days.
Imagine somebody told you this 2 years ago.
By funny, I of course mean terrifying.
This moment is getting more libertarian all the time.
I am so glad that he hasn’t wandered over here yet
He’ll get cat-butted in around 5 minutes or so.
It’s a little bit like the end times.
News alert on phone: nyt says slave taught jack Daniels to make whiskey but never honored
Apparently they are going after the entirety of western civilization
Woodchippers. Buy them right now. We’re gonna need them.
They have been going after western civilization all along.
Do the Democrats want to win elections? I mean, outside of their enclaves. Because it seems like the answer is “no”.
This is what I call the Grand Encirclement. They seized academia. They seized the media. They seized Washington. Now, especially in light of the Yokel Revolt of 2016, the left has decided to flex their every muscle.
We in the anti-left had better step our game up.
Indeed. It may do no good whatsoever for the country to send anti-left Presidents to DC, if the Deep State wins their current slow-motion coup.
Western Civilization:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-4795400/Adriana-Lima-flashes-derriere-Victoria-s-Secret-shoot.html
God bless those Brits, they might actually like T&A more than we do.
If they go after my Jack Daniels, they will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen!
First they came after Jack Daniels, but I did not speak out because I prefered Jim Beam…
WE WUZ WHISKEY DISTILLAS N SHEEIT!!!
The kfc Colonel will be next
That might be an unwise idea. The Colonel has a wide base of support that crosses racial lines.
Jacob Lindsey, libertarian footballer
I want to make a joke about him not tackling anyone unless they touch him first but it’s just not coming together in my head.
What if the kicker consents, though?
Last night, somebody backed into my motorcycle, where it was parked. The guy that ran it over doesn’t have any insurance, and he doesn’t have any money–right now. He set my bike up and left a note with his name, address, and phone number.
I respect that. There are plenty of excellent substitutes for government action. There’s no good substitute for responsible people with integrity.
Kinda leads to some complications or “choices” is a better word.
So, let’s say I have insurance that covers uninsured motorists. Maybe I don’t want to use it because I don’t want my insurance rates to go up. Can they raise your insurance for that? It’s a rhetorical question. I once had my insurance canceled because someone totaled my car while it was properly parked by the side of the road.
Here’s the thing, though: If I don’t want to use my insurance, and the guy offers to pay me for the parts and labor–I’m not sure, from an ethical standpoint, that’s fair of me to take his money.
Realize, for one thing, my concern for my motorcycle and my safety are such that I wouldn’t let a motorcycle mechanic do the work anyway. I can fully disassemble my bike and the engine–and when I do it, it gets done right. There’s no way I’d pay someone else to do the work–and have less confidence on the freeway or in the middle of Lost Holler, UT than if I had just done the work myself. Is my time and effort worth something? Yeah, but I’d need to sell it to him that way. If I get a quote for paying someone else to do the work, and he pays for that, then it’s like I’m being ethically fraudulent–unless I tell him straight up that I’m charging him to do the work myself.
My inclination is to not charge him anything for labor.
Secondly, ethically speaking, if I ELECT not to use my insurance for uninsured drivers, why should he have to pay for that decision of mine? I’ve always argued that one of the reasons insurance mandates are ethically wrong is because we should all insure our own property–not use the government to force others to insure our property for us. If you drive an $80,000 Mercedes in traffic, you’re willingly engaging in an inherently risky activity with your car. Why should people without assets be legally obligated to insure your Mercedes for you? If you want to protect your vehicle from people without insurance, buy insurance for uninsured drivers. If you don’t, that’s your choice.
That being said, if I electe not to use that insurance–of my own free will–why should he be responsible for my decision?
I suppose honest libertarians might behave differently in this situation for various ethical reasons, but notice that two people with integrity don’t really need the government involved to work through this–and there are multiple options for dealing with something like this because the government isn’t involved.
My plan. I’ll tell him that I have insurance for uninsured drivers, but I don’t want to use it. I’ll offer to forget the whole thing for half the price of the parts. If I choose not to use my insurance, that’s my half of the responsibility, but he hit my bike–and that’s his half of the responsibility.
First off, didn’t read all of it.
That being said, there’s nothing wrong taking money from him for labor even if you do the labor because your time is worth money. He fucked up, fuck up have consequences. Nothing wrong with getting a little back for the time and inconvenience he caused you.
If you’d read all of it, I think it’s okay to take money for your own time and labor–so long as you’re up front with what you’re doing.
If I’m that guy, and I don’t have any money, and I hear that you’re going to charge me what a mechanic charges, I might offer to do the work myself. I bet this guy makes less than a motorcycle mechanic. On an hour for hour basis, I should probably charge more.
But I don’t want to debate the labor theory of value with this guy.
And, also, that’s part of the assumption of risk I take when I ride my bike in public and park it in a public place. This guy didn’t break into my house. He did something I knew could happen–and if I don’t want to use my coverage for it, then that’s my choice. He’s not responsible for my choices–just his own.
I’ll find the parts on Bike Bandit, ask him for half the cost of the parts, and leave it at that.
If I choose not to use my insurance, that’s my half of the responsibility, but he hit my bike–and that’s his half of the responsibility. . . If I’m that guy, and I don’t have any money, and I hear that you’re going to charge me what a mechanic charges, I might offer to do the work myself.
I don’t get it. Just because you’re in public doesn’t mean that you’re partially liable for what other people do (intentionally or not) to your property while in public. Assuming you were properly parked, the damage is 0% your responsibility and 100% his. Insurance isn’t a community facing good, it’s an insured facing good. Whether you file a claim or not, he is legally liable for 100% of the damage. The only question is who gets to sue him for it (you or the insurance). Every penny less than 100% is pure generosity on your part.
This made me think of something. Bikers should shoulder more liability, not in this case but in a wreck. Something that would have been a fender bender in a car can be life threatening on a bike.
“Insurance isn’t a community facing good, it’s an insured facing good. Whether you file a claim or not, he is legally liable for 100% of the damage. The only question is who gets to sue him for it (you or the insurance). Every penny less than 100% is pure generosity on your part.
We’re mixing terms here with law and ethics.
The government not being involved means the law is only interesting, here, as an implied threat.
Ethically, I’ve arranged for this contingency, and I’ve chosen not to use my insurance. I’m saying I’m ethically obligated for the choices I willingly make in that regard.
I don’t need to suffer this loss at all. I could just file a claim, but I choose not to do so.
As far as him being responsible for the damage he causes, driving my bike in public and parking it in public is an inherently risky activity. And I chose to take that risk. I’m responsible for my part in making that choice.
This guy didn’t hit my bike on purpose. If he did it on purpose that would be different. But, yeah, he’s ethically responsible for the risk he chose to take. You could always accidentally damage someone’s property while driving. It’s an inherently risky activity, and he engaged in it willingly.
I mean, you make your own judgement on the ethics of being in public, but I’d argue that the risk you’re insuring against is other people’s injurious behavior. Driving your bike doesn’t become risky (beyond your own behavior or acts of God or a pebble kicking up from the road or whatever) until other people get involved. And really, that’s the risk we’re talking about when we’re talking about.
What you say you’re going to do sounds generous. I think the problem with charging someone for labor you perform yourself is that there’s no protection for that person from an unscrupulous person overcharging for labor. Besides the money, the major benefit to insurance is that you turn the issue over to a disinterested (well, semi-disinterested) third party.
I got ya, and I think you’re doing the right thing. I just question whether “it’s inherently risky” is an ethical consideration. I always thought it was more of a pragmatic deal. Something we say so that the guy on the receiving end doesn’t get a victim complex over being in an accident.
Something just rubs me funny about the idea that I have some level of ethical responsibility to pay for damage to my car if I have done nothing wrong. To me, the “inherent risk” is 1) that I’m going to make a mistake and cause damage; or 2) that some asshole is going to cause damage to me and flee the scene anonymously.
seems reasonable. You could also tell him you’ll charge a bit for labor, and keep it light for his sake.
Would it be wrong for you to take money for the labor? No.
Would it be cool of you not to? Yes. He could have hit and run, but didn’t. There’s nothing wrong with rewarding good behavior.
You are overthinking it
If it were me he’d buy the parts I would fix it
Suthen’s is the classic redneck resolution, IMO.
Parts are parts. You don’t know how good his work is. He buys the parts (and maybe a sixpack), you do the work.
I wanted to deactivate my FB but I am my fantasy football’s league commissioner and need FB to keep in contact with the other teams in my league.
It’s so fucking depressing watching people who you know as usually being reasonable and rational turn into a bunch of authoritarian assholes. I’ve lost a lot of respect for a lot of people this past week.
I’m glad I don’t have any social media accounts (besides a LinkedIn, but that doesn’t really count).
It’s bad enough going to family gatherings and trying to steer the discussion away from politics. My family runs the gamut from hardcore “progressive” to politically ambivalent with a leaning towards leftist ideas. There have been a few discussions about how LITERALLY HITLER is ruining the planet and supporting neo-Nazis, but I just go to the bathroom when that topic comes up and they’re usually talking about something else when I come back.
I’m tempted to just speak out one of these times and show them what hypocrites they’re being (since they all loved Obama and praised everything he did) but I don’t know if I want to spoil a family gathering. There might be an occasion when I can’t keep my mouth shut.
I do have a Twitter account, but I rarely tweet.
There are a few members of my family and some good but distant friends who I only really contact via Facebook, otherwise I’d dump it. It’s just cat videos and vitriol anymore.
I kept my FB for 3 years because of that. Finally, I figured that if I can’t even count on an occasional text message from those folks (extended family and some old friends), then the relationship really isn’t very important to either of us. IOW, I let cancelling my FB be the sink or swim test for those relationships.
JLaw, Nazi Hunter:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4796516/Jennifer-Lawrence-raises-funds-Represent-wine.html
I don’t care what her politics are, I’ve never been a fan. I mean, her work is good, but looks-wise she’s pretty meh worthy by Hollywood standards.
She’s got dumbface, and dumb politics to back it up.
But she did star in Hunger Games, which is about as libertarian (or at least anti-authoritarian) as films and books get these days.
Kingsman > Hunger Games
(that’s supposed to be greater-than sign, if it got et)…
Hell, Kingsman is a privately owned spy agency that does its job better than state based ones.
It also demands you stick with a certain standard of appearance and behavior, but doesn’t care where you came from if you can perform the job.
It’s like the spirit of Margaret Thatcher possessed the screenwriter.
G-d I love that movie. I’m going to have to watch it a couple more times before the sequel comes out next month.
That’s what made it even worse, that that series was her big break!
Hitchcock was right about actors.
Unfortunately the Hunger Games is also retarded garbage.
“HERP DERP WE MAKE PEOPLE MINE COAL LIKE ITS THE 1920s BUT WE HAVE FORCE FIELDS SOMEHOW.”
I’m glad someone said it. I watched the first movie and I understand why millennials are retarded.
I read the book because an ex-girlfriend really liked the series and she absolutely hated the first movie.
The thing I thought was hilarious about the movie is that its big message is this whole “OMG violence in the media will one day translate to televised blood sport!” thing. And they show this by making the movie…PG-13. So when they do stuff like show the last winner (who beat his opponent to death with a brick) there’s just is little stain of blood rather than a pulp mess. So you’re directly disproving your own social commentary movie. That’s retarded.
I kind of dig Katniss in the book actually, she’s a goddamn borderline sociopath who only gives a fuck about her family.
That’s probably just the economic misconception that slavery is “free labor”. Because apparently, slaves don’t cost money, they don’t consume food, and they don’t require living quarters.
Well, I think it’s that whole thing where if she were some chick I knew and she was cool I’d think she looked good, but in the panoply of Hollywood starlets she’s very average. But keep in mind that if I had a personal trainer, makeup artists, and an agent I could easily be a solid 9. Shit, these people can make Lena Dunham look like a mammal. They can work miracles.
So, if one of these morons gets the wrong guy, can she be sued for conspiracy to commit libel?
How about some funny cat stuff to cheer a racist whiskey drinker up?
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/f0/65/ba/f065ba2b73021d96166d34b8ca8a9ae0.gif
A fuzzy demon lives in my house. Most days I’m able to convince myself it is a cat. In other words, my cat would totally do that.
Everyone I Don’t Like Is Literally Hitler
http://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2017/08/16/it-gets-stupider-brit-hume-got-called-a-nazi-defender-for-sharing-an-article-from-the-atlantic/
In other news, Kat Kimpf is doubling down on her hot take.
https://twitter.com/KatTimpf
Damn… I liked her too.
NEXT!
She’s cute but not exactly a deep thinker. Maybe a bit smarter than many of the media talking heads but that’s not saying much.
She’s not wrong there.
She isn’t. But that hardly means they were the only people up to no good.
It’s not wrong, but the point that should be added is “…but they still have a right to be assholes, provided they are not violent.”
I’d have to go find a transcript of what Trump said. But if I recall, there were two things that set her off:
1) Trump didn’t only condemn the white-supremacists, even though the other groups didn’t kill anyone.
2) Trump said that there were good people there. Which is true. There were people protesting the removal of the statue that weren’t white-supremacists, counter-protesters that weren’t antifa, etc.
Here’s the NYT article:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/15/business/media/wow-stunned-tv-hosts-reacted-in-real-time-to-trump.html?_r=0
True, but if I’m in line at the grocery store and American History X gets behind me, I’m not going to drop my groceries and leave, know what I mean? Nor will I demand that he get in another line.
I mentioned this before but salami strategy. Basically it was calling your opponents Nazis unless they supported a Communist regime. Sound familiar? This is also why cosmotarianism won’t work.
Oh, *Canada*
Canada: Ryerson University cancels “Stifling of Free Speech on University Campuses” event after Leftist threats
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/08/canada-ryerson-university-cancels-stifling-of-free-speech-on-university-campuses-event-after-leftist-threats
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Ryerson University canceled a panel Wednesday dedicated to discussing the silencing of free speech on college campuses, citing “campus safety.”
The Canadian school canceled “The Stifling of Free Speech on University Campuses,” an Aug. 22 panel featuring three doctors and a pro-free speech journalist, citing a prioritization of “campus safety” over free speech “in light of recent events,” according to correspondence obtained by The Daily Caller News Foundation.
Social justice activists set up a Facebook page entitled “No Fascists in Our City!” to protest the event. The page’s header image depicted a swastika crossed out.
“Fascists are planning to meet on August 22nd at Ryerson University to discuss how to avoid what they call ‘SJW’ Culture,” the protest description reads. “Tickets are being sold for $20 and frankly it makes us virulently ill … Considering the rise of Nationalism here and abroad we need to show these people and their guests that we will not tolerate their backward nonsense in our city.”
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[head desk]
If people don’t stop giving them the heckler’s veto we’re going to be fucked.
Considering the rise of Nationalism here and abroad
YOu fucking assholes, make up your fucking mind if you are Canadian Nationalists or not! Fucking hell!
But hey, Ontario, whatcha gonna do?
Yeah, our nationalists are less ‘goose stepping madmen’ and more ‘hipster jackass at the coffee shop talking about how backwards and stupid Americans are’.
But if we’ve got a big rise in nationalism does that mean can we at least bring back the better anthem?
How about bringing back the better flag?
That too, but there’s like fifteen different versions. I’m cool with using all of them.
No, we’ll make the better better flag!
With blackjack. And hookers!
Also, how dare you blame Ontario for the sins of Toronto. I demand satisfaction.
We’ll meet at Winnipeg. Tomahawks to first blood.
Oh, I’m sorry, has Toronto recently migrated to British Columbia or Alberta, and I missed it? We could use the power of finance, government and media on our side for once!
BTW, if this disgusts you, wait till you find out where Ottawa is located!
Lookit this pot-smoking, beatnik motherfucker casting mad shade on clearly superior provinces. Listen here you smelly old hippie, I know that in Vancouver you’re too busy being anally penetrated, screaming at foreign Chinamen, and doing crack, but them’s fighting words! I’ll take your kale and Nanaimo bars and stuff’em down your throat til you choke!
I know, I know, Ottawa + Toronto barely make 50% of Ontario population, practically nothing! #nottrueontario
Surely it’s all those hordes of BC expats constantly streaming into Ontario, high on pot and socialism, taking over CEOships, editorial positions, professorships, and positions in federal government.
At least we didn’t invent Greenpeace.
Given that you invented Communist Party of Canda, is that really true?
You mean the one currently run by a British Columbian that gets less votes than the Libertarians?
Uh, they did get Elizabeth May elected to the House of Commons.
The antifas will get crushed eventually, provided they don’t seize power, since they hate the Dems leaders and will go after them but now but they are expedient to the Dems and GOPe for the moment.
This Minor’s brand au jus is so fucking good that after I finished my french dip sandwich, I’m drinking it like a refreshing beverage. Has anybody tried selling meat broth as a soft drink? I bet it would do well with paleo freaks.
Take my money.
There is nothing stopping anyone from buying cans of beef broth and drinking it.
Wait…WHAT???
Money can be exchanged for goods and services.
(takes notes)
(car door slams, tires screeching)
Only if your masters approve, and can profit from the transaction.
Speaking of profit… I just got a *fantastic* surprise from my county tax assessor here in VA. Evidently, there’s an annual personal property tax on cars registered in the “great” state of VA. Have fun with that $500, you immoral fucks! I went from owning my car in TX to renting it from the damn county in VA… fuck property taxes!
Slapping PALEO FRIENDLY on a bottle is more motivating than you could imagine.
I can attest to that from personal experience.
Bovril is a beloved British foodstuff.
Not sure if that’s an endorsement….
Looks like I have my morning calling a fine NH business.
I’ve been to their warehouse!
They let us in one day to visit after hours (during the weekend) for a drop-in. I have found that their pricing on more conventional stuff like McVittie’s digestives is a little too high. Have you ever tried this? I found it in Hong Kong at a grocery store and it’s dy-no-mite.
Also serves as wonderful aftershave in a pinch
^this guy
Here’s a pastiche of Charlottesville recaps from “both sides” – it’s exactly what you’d expect:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-charlottesville-responsibility-20170816-story.html
Note the masturbatory, militaristic tone of most of them.
I thought it was funny they labeled The Nation a “leftist publication”…. but of course no one else.
So brief story. My wife is rather libertarian but has a wide liberal streak she picked up in college. Not full sjw but with flavors of it. She has become so distraught with every one of her liberal friends accusing people who don’t solely condemn the unite the right jerkoffs that she’s this close to hopping off of derpbook. Her is a woman who is a potential ally and the sjws have shit the bed so bad on this one that they are isolating anyone who is not totally lockstep with them. It’s bad guys. The people in our circle are evenly divided between diffidence and frothy anger. This won’t end well if it doesn’t calm down soon.
If SJWs want to become more and more exclusionary, I say let them. They’ll eventually shrink their group down to four or five screaming lunatics.
That’s my sentiment exactly
I want to encourage the whole “Call everyone a Nazi” fad. The more common it becomes, the more absurd the self-anointed Anti-Nazis look.
Well, that’s easy if you’re one-third black woman.
It’s not going to calm down. The media are fanning the flames and trying to make it look like antifa are good guys and that they are winning. I think the media are at the point where they don’t care if the entire country burns down as long as they can get to Trump.
Apparently, the hysteria lead a number of CEO’s to resign from Trump’s advisory groups. And stocks fell a bit.
Finally a chance to buy?
She has become so distraught with every one of her liberal friends accusing people who don’t solely condemn the unite the right jerkoffs that she’s this close to hopping off of derpbook.
Good for her!
I was thinking today about why groups become targets of persecution. I think the main factors are group size, degree of resemblance to the dominant group, and group success.
Majority groups usually don’t get oppressed unless a minority somehow gets all the power, like South Africa under apartheid.
Minorities that stand out less tend to have an easier time. It’s harder for would-be oppressors to identify them.
Minorities that achieve a similar level of success to the dominant group fare better. If they tend to be richer or poorer, that difference makes them a target.
So basically, the best way for a group to avoid discrimination is to try to mimic the dominant/majority group.
I don’t know. Asian-Americans are a small minority, and are more successful than the majority, but haven’t become targets for persecution. Probably the opposite has happened, in fact.
They were in the past, though. Chinese Exclusion Act and all that.
“Passing” is a time-honored tradition, but just doing it is not enough to escape persecution. I mean, hidden Jews of Spain explicitly made all the right moves to fit in, but if discovered…oh boy, it was bad time!
Yes, but the more successful they became, the less they were persecuted. Which would seem to contradict what Derpetologist was saying.
Part of becoming successful was adopting clothes, names, language and patterns of behavior of then-majority, though. So it would still follow his example.
Now, if US of today was the same of as US of 1882…hell yeah, there’d be riots and extra taxes and immigration bans… Shit, Rich Chinaman Real Estate Taxes are becoming quite popular in places.
They were poor when they came, which made them stand out. When some of them became rich, that made them stand out again.
If you were Chinese in the US in 1900, the sweet spot was to be richer than a railroad coolie but poorer than a successful gold prospector.
The persecution vs. success curve is u-shaped.
Asians have been targeted by college admission policies. Kind of minor, but worth noting.
Actually, they are being targeted by the left as being almost as bad as whitey. Asians are not favored snowflakes.
-1 Mark Wahlberg
I’ve wondered whether that story was true or not.
narrows already narrowgaze
A pretty good video from Sargon of Akkad on all this insanity. Kinda long at around 29 min but worth checking out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwSYhTWk6E8
For him, that’s terse and succinct
How about 1 minute summary?
Yep, that’s pretty much it.
I had to sign in to watch. Makes sense- it offends SJWs, thus making it the most obscene thing imaginable.
He starts off by stating two important facts. 1. Trump said the only thing he could have said to be presidential and correct. 2. Antifa are actually communists. Antifa’s role and sorry, I just cannot repeat this enough, is to end capitalism.
The statues are not a goal in and of themselves. This is just a test to see how far they can go in undemocratically pushing local governments into doing their will. Once the statue thing is over, they will move on to the next bigger goal. I don’t know what that will be, but I’m sure they’ve already figured this out. Maybe they’ll want to tear down Mount Vernon and Monticello, because both Washington and Jefferson owned slaves. It wouldn’t surprise me if this is their next target. If they succeed, they’ll then move onto the next target, which will probably involve capitalism. Maybe they’ll go to Wall Street and tear down the bull and then start setting on fire or blowing up banks, etc. One thing is for sure, they will not stop until they have destroyed capitalism. The GOP fools who have went against the president for exposing antifa need to get their asses primaried.
There are people beginning to agitate for dynamiting Stone Mountain. I wouldn’t say Mount Vernon and Monticello are out of reach if they get that and, yeah, a lot of the GOP scum need to be thrown out on their asses.
No, they’ll shift gears and find soft targets elsewhere. they’ll purposely avoid the “founding fathers” because they know that crossing that line would make most americans see them as effectively ‘anti-american’. so they’ll stick with the confederates through 2018, and target small towns and universities and businesses.
That’s basically right.
I think another view (which includes that) is to say that the point of their “freak out over historical racism” is to attack something which, if anyone defends it, allows them to paint *everyone except themselves* as racists.
the thing i think that has terrified the left since the 2016 election is the idea that black voters just arent into them anymore. And so by screaming “racist”! at everyone and making their opponents defend confederate memorials, they create a wedge issue that regains them this moral posture that ‘blacks have nowhere else to go’.
I mentioned in an earlier thread that they’ve gotten Hogan to buckle in Maryland, and now the Taney statue is going to be removed from in front of the state house. One of Taney’s ancestors, a lawyer from New York, had met with ancestors of Dred Scott, and had actually come up with some pretty good compromises that everyone subsequently ignored. In an interview, she pointed out that Taney’s kind of a big deal in Maryland, and not only are there numerous statues of him, but there are roads, bridges, schools, even an entire town that share his name (the town came first, but I doubt that’ll matter).
I’ve been thinking of that old South Park episode where they’re arguing about changing the town flag for being racist (it’s a cartoon of 4 white guys cheering around a black guy hanging from a noose).
The 2 guys who work in the gun store don’t want the flag changed, because history, but they are frustrated because the only other people on their side are the KKK. They pretend to be KKK and sneak into a meeting. They try to convince the KKK that since most people hate them, the smart thing to do is to support changing the flag. That way, most people will reflexively oppose them and vote to keep the flag as it is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyC3rPDSSVg
So are alt-right and alt-left some sort of new Windows keyboard shortcuts? I don’t watch much of the news, but I hear people complaining a lot.
TL;DR version: Asshole communists and fascists square up, Round 2, Electric Boogaloo. There’s way more commies than Nazis at present point.
Alt-right is a made up term to tag anyone who the left does not like. They are extremists, racists, nazis. It would probably include libertarians, except that libertarians are even worse than the alt-right, so they have to be kept separate. The alt-left was created to mock the leftists who created alt-right.
Oh, so all the mainstream folks in charge are the Control-right and Control-left?
You guys know I’m kidding, right? 🙂
Sorry, been around here for a long time, but I don’t comment very often. I don’t dare make these jokes on Twitter, though I want to.
You win whatever is the opposite of a cat butt over here.
a golden monocle?
Alt-right is a made up term to tag anyone who the left does not like.
Noooooope. Alt-right is a various forms of white nationalism. Just because the media and leftists use it broadly and inaccurately doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
The alt-left was created to mock the leftists who created alt-right.
The alt left was actually a term that start popping up on left-wing sites shortly after the election in an attempt to distance themselves from the crazies. It’s one of the reasons I don’t like it, because it’s fundamentally inaccurate. The ‘alt-left’ is way more accepted in leftist ranks than the alt-right are on the typical right-wing.
Via Drudge:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/innovations/wp/2017/08/16/see-the-hipsters-lined-up-outside-that-new-restaurant-this-app-pays-them-to-stand-there/
Am I a horrible person for thinking that an e-coli outbreak after one of these things would be hilarious?
I ventured into the hateosphere and found a video of Donahue with Jared Taylor who I think is firmly in the camp of what would be considered NAZIs. It appears to me that NAZI, white supremacist, white nationalist, alt-right, etc. encompass a variet of views being clumped together. The views are:
1. Kill the blacks, Jews, etc.- I haven’t found anyone who subscribes to this but I think that’s actual NAZI stuff and I’m sure some people do.
2. Blacks are inferior and we should forcefully segregate the country racially.
3. Blacks are inferior and we should voluntarily segregate and remove programs to help on racial lines. (I think this was Taylor’s position)
4. Blacks have higher crime rates and lower IQ with no prescription for fixing it. (Saying this is considered white supremacy as far as I can tell).
5. Blacks are equal but we should get rid of programs that are designed to help certain races like affirmative action.
It appears the first 4 beliefs will get you painted as a NAZI for saying them but I would only consider the first two dangerous since they want to use force although there’s a big difference between kill and segregate in terms of danger. I don’t foresee a time when forced segregation is remotely politically possible so it’s just pissing in the wind. Killing can be done individually though.
The third is not nice, and appears to have a decent following but not much influence.
The first three beliefs will get you physically attacked and you’ll lose your job. The fourth will probably lose you your job, and cannot be said in public. The fifth may get you fired from a blue enclave but you can say it in certain company. You probably can’t say it on social media without getting attacked. I would estimate close to half the country has views like the fifth.
There’s the double standard of course where BLM can be on TV calling for white cops to die. The standard for being a black racist is more like just number 1. The other beliefs you can say while running a university.
But what’s interesting is that NAZI has basically been whittled down to anyone not endorsing progressive race policies. Something is going to break. Either hate-think legislation is made or people will reject the idea that half the country is NAZIs. I don’t think people will sign on to that dichotomy voluntarily, it will take force.
Democratic mayors of cities from the time when the Interstate highway system was built might beg to differ.
#6: “I abhor racism of any kind, but I’m disappointed about Antifa’s violent tactics. That’s just going to escalate things and get even more people hurt and killed. We’re better than this. Let’s fight racism with powerful words and unassailable logic, not violence!”
Yep, you guessed it, that one also makes you a super racist neo-Nazi.
So, those people believe that throwing bottles of urine and feces and brawling in the streets with other radical lefties is the answer to racism?
I have to day, racism was nearly invisible before Obama started running his stupid yap. Obama and antifa are sort of buds, but being as antifa are sort of icky like homeless people, they have to be buds while remaining on their own side of the tracks.
Tone it down Hitler.
“2. Blacks are inferior and we should forcefully segregate the country racially.”
So, the entire country becomes Baltimore?
Taylor’s somewhat distanced from the alt-right as a whole. He certainly holds a great deal of ‘race realist’ opinions, but his broader political beliefs aren’t really representative of the general positions common in the alt-right. Taylor, for example, completely rejects the anti-Semitism present in most of the alt-right and considers it asinine.
Taylor basically wants the Western world to be Japan.
Negative birth rates and a decades long economic yearning for the glory days of a bubble that’s never coming back?
This made me laugh and cry at the same time.
Taylor may be a little biased because he was raised there (when shit was good) and is a massive weeaboo.
(imagines McDonald’s which serves squid roe instead of fries, and vending machines selling dirty panties on every corner)
Whatever he is, he appears to be among the most influential with a large following from a small pool of people. it’s not clear to me that the other white nationalists outnumber his brand.
Sarah Silverman
I also feel you’re leaving some important ideas out. Like, Operation: Hell on Earth.
Ironically (or not), we’re already kind of at 3. The people who want segregation practically speaking can get it. Busing and other forms of forced integration are over. The worst that could happen is that your 95% white community (or 95% black, if you’re approaching it from the “other” side) “degenerates” to 94%, and then you move. Obviously, racial covenants and exclusionary laws can’t happen any more, but that doesn’t stop a whole fucking lot of people from de facto self-segregating.
Of course, a lot of people don’t want segregation and they get to have their cake, too. I don’t want to live anywhere that people treat me as an unwelcome outsider; beyond that, I don’t much care what the skin color or national origin or what have you of my neighbors is. How live-and-let-live my neighbors and my local government are the things that actually matter.
So, i’m stealing a joke and modifying it slightly:
“A man goes into the Dalai Lama’s Pizza Parlor. He says, “Make me one with everything“