A 2016 study from the Catholic University of America has come back to the forefront thanks to an article on Milo’s blog called “Having lesbian parents makes you fat” (Milo’s #1 priority). The study followed 20 sets of same-sex parents (17 of them lesbian) over a span of thirteen years, from 1995 to 2008. You can read the study for yourself here, complete with a virtue-signaling disclaimer at the beginning. The gist of it is that the study found that having same-sex parents made children “2.25 times more likely to experience depression than is the general population,” as well as more than twice as likely to be obese and more than three times as likely to experience suicidal thoughts.
In their disclaimer, one thing Hindawi notes is that the small sample size of the study may be skewing results. I would agree with that, but for perhaps a different reason than either the author of the study or the editors at Hindawi had in mind. I suspect, that with a sample size that small, the odds of political diversity in the sample are probably very slim—and I would like to suggest that that, more than the gender of the parents, may be a large part of the problem.
As background, I am bisexual and have dated men and women roughly equally (I’m currently dating a woman, though it’s been very short-term so far, only about two months). I generally prefer dating women, and would probably prefer to marry a woman, with one small caveat: lesbians are overwhelmingly fucking lunatics politically. Conservative and non-political lesbians do exist (no libertarians, though, since I’m the only libertarian woman), but like the fabled STEVE SMITH, they’re rare and require patience to spot.
Lesbians, being both women and homosexual, fit this perfect double-whammy market for the left. It is known that if you’re one of those, your vote automatically belongs to the Democrats; so, obviously, if you’re both, you doubly belong to them. Thus, lesbian Democrats are doubly insane. The vast majority of them are screaming feminists. They’re angry often, possibly even most of the time. They’ve bought into victimhood culture and they milk it for all it’s worth.
It’s easy to see how a climate like that could affect a child. But I feel this has less to do with the fact that the child has two women for parents and more to do with the fact that rabid progressivism (and postmodernism, third-wave feminism, identity politics and all the other bullshit theories that have been infecting the left for the last two decades) creates a toxic environment. These theories have been particularly strong in the LGBT community, where they became dominant much earlier than they did for the “mainstream” left (fitting the 1995-2008 timeline of the study). And you can see how the symptoms reported in the study could stem directly from those ideologies.
Higher rates of obesity? Not surprising in “body positivity” culture.
Higher rates of depression? Remember that this study was conducted primarily during the tenure of “Literally Hitler” the First. Imagine spending your formative years listening to your moms rant daily about how BOOOOOSH (or, perhaps, the real evil mastermind, CHENEYYYYYY) was going to bring about the apocalypse.
Higher rates of suicidal thoughts? I have suicidal thoughts after spending too much time on Twitter, something I can turn off. I can only imagine the effect being steeped in that ideology 24/7—as a child—would have on my psyche. The study concluded in 2008, the year of Sarah Palin and Prop 8. Not sure if it ended before the Anointed One ascended the throne, but I could see how the preceding months of “THOSE DAMN KKKORPORATIONS ARE FUNDING CAMPAIGNS TO DESTROY OUR FAMILY” might impact someone.
The issue with a study like this is that they compare overall results with those of other studies that look merely at two-parent, one-man-one-woman households, without considering differences in the parents’ political beliefs. If a significantly more politically diverse sample was taken of the “standard” families (not even specifically conservative, but just politically neutral), I suspect the results look better just because the kids grew up without being mired in negativity. I would be interested to see the results of those studies broken down into leftist families vs. non-political or conservative families. I suspect that the results for the left would look closer to the results Father Sullins got, with the non-leftists bringing up their scores thanks to averaging.
Maybe, statistically, the results would still show that one-man-one-woman households are the healthiest environments for kids. But that’s also the case compared to single parent households and blended families, and they make it work. And I believe that same-sex couples can as well. But it involves leaving politics (identity and otherwise) at the door, for the sake of your kid. After all, being a lunatic is not an intrinsic, inherent part of being a lesbian; it’s an individual choice.
I can’t help but wonder what the difference would be in a household with two moms like that, rather than a household with Big Red as Mom 1 and Trigglypuff as Mom 2. A household like that of many opposite-sex couples, where politics doesn’t matter—family does.
Yes.
You win.
I think living in a city, let alone a household, containing both Big Red AND Trigglypuff would have profound psychological effects on the entire population.
I feel left out. I know what a trigglypuff is, but what is a big red?
Ecce Russo!
(SFW)
NSFL
If you don’t chew Big Red then f*ck you
Packs. Of. Ravenous. Dogs.
Chewing gum. No little cinnamon gum can freshen breath longer than Big Red.
Needs more pics of you and girlfriend. For purely scientific reasons, of course.
You and your biologically hazardous penis are the reason there are no girl libertarians.
It seems like they could have eliminated a lot of guessing if they had included 2 male gay households as well. My guess (being an evil woman hating cis white shitlord) is that 2 men probably are better parents than 2 women.
Probably less drama.
Side note – did anyone else pick up the recent snippet in the news that Rosie O’Donnell’s ex-wife overdosed herself recently?
Even one Rosie O’Donnell is an overdose of Rosie O’Donnell.
One half of one Rosie O’Donnell is a fatal dose.
Her LD50 is 0.5 then.
I PUT THIS IN LINKS.
I’m starting to think that Links really is the best place to hide a body, even better than Page 2 of Google search results.
Sorry, OMWC, I’m interacting on a cell phone, sometimes news sources hit me with so much extra popupware that I lose patience.
I’ve occasionally checked page 2 of Google search results. It has even sometimes been fruitful. Page 3 and on, though, not so much.
I would be interested to see a study of male homosexual parent families, with similar guidelines to this study.
I don’t think two dudes would necessarily be better parents than 2 lesbians.
The real study should be non-political gay couple parents vs overtly political gay couple parents.
Non political is a myth. Whether lesbians happen to be likely also political idiots strikes me as irrelevant anyway. If the sample size of their politics is representative than the results stand.
I’m guessing that gay men are the happiest people on the planet.
Would you say they are named appropriately then?
But rather queer, too.
*is sad that the clip from “Stiff Upper Lips” is unavailable*
Sure, there is always someone around to help you move a couch and have sex with on said couch.
Henry Rollins had a bit way back where he said “Imagine a bunch of dudes in a room who are gay, before AIDS was a thing. You wouldn’t hear talking. All you’d hear is belt buckles hitting the floor.”
Must be before he got all progressive political. I saw him once when I was a rabid socialist lefty (but I repeat myself). I think I’d find him insufferable now.
He was always an asshole, but politically was he ever anything else?
I think he’s gotten much more overtly political over the past 15 years or so. He was probably to the left from the get go, but I don’t think he used to give a shit about politics very much.
My neighbor, a gay man, had a live-in boyfriend for a while. On any given fall Saturday, they’d pretty much watch college football, play some Madden, then bang on the couch. I figured two gay frat boys would last forever, but, pertinent to the topic above, they split up because the bf wanted kids, while my neighbor likes the bachelor life.
Someone used to have a bit about that, how the perfect relationship was two butch guys because they’d be best friends who are all into sports and tools and shit and get to have sex with each other all the time on top of it all.
But do men really make a good sammich. This is the true question.
Don’t ask for mayo.
+1 Order for a #3-its for a cop.
Sammich? No man, we’re grilling meat and that is both literal and a euphemism.
Pretty sure there are bathhouses in San Fran where you can find out
It’s right in the name!
That’s highly situational. Having lived in a gay neighborhood, the mood swings are included in the local weather forecast.
I was only going to have two beers and then off to bed, but I’m thinking the comments on this are going to be as good as the article itself. And the article itself was HAAAWT!
In this case, I’m kind of more in a chicken or the egg type of argument. Do the far left identity politics create emotionally stunted lunatics, or are they simply a byproduct of them/result of such people existing in the first place? I lean towards the latter rather than the former.
It’s not a subject I expect much rigorous research on. The narrative is already set and no one wants inconvenient data getting in the way of it.
Do the far left identity politics create emotionally stunted lunatics, or are they simply a byproduct of them/result of such people existing in the first place?
Almost certainly the latter. A healthy, well-adjusted emotionally developed mind isn’t going to have the utter and total need to dictate how other people live. It’s people who are already broken that the politics of breaking other people has an appeal.
I tend to fall under it being a positive feedback loop. Yeah, Identity Politics tends to draw people who already have emotional issues, but then being constantly surrounded by other such people affirming and encouraging your emotional problems and putting the onus of responsibility on everyone else to change only makes the problems worse and worse. From cases I’ve seen the people who get shocked out of it tend to be the ones who inadvertently”oppress” someone higher on the victimhood hierarchy than them, by action or word, and the resulting backlash wakes them up to just out unhealthy and insane it is.
The incentive is not to change, except to accrue more victim points. It’s a self destructive ideology.
Is it a thought crime to posit that mothers and fathers bring different strengths to parenting? (of course it is a thought crime, but felony or misdemeanor?)
I’m not against same sex couples having kids, but I think that those kids are at a disadvantage by not having a male and female parent. I think kids get things from their fathers that they can’t get from a mom.
My kids all treated me like Clousseau and they were Kato. When I got home they wanted to rough house and do all sorts of physical things. Even my daughter wanted to do those sorts of things. My wife got to do all the snuggly things.
With two moms, how does a kid learn how to do certain things? Fuck, how do they get the opportunity to learn how men behave in their groups? I learned a lot about how to fit in as a man by going to road houses or hunting camps with my dad. I don’t see how you get that back ground when you have two moms.
I know that my wife was upset when each of my boys got to a certain age and decided that they would rather go do something fun and manly with me than hang out with her. Her boys hit a point, where they’d rather go hunting or fishing with me than go shopping (even for toys for themselves) with her.
My daughter got to a point where she would rather sit around and do girl things with her mother than put up with me. Same thing, it is kind of sad when you realize that your bond with a kid has changed subtly.
I guess that this is a long rant about how parenting is tough to begin with and it is nuts to pretend that who your parents are doesn’t make much of a difference. I’m not doubting for a minute that gay parents don’t love their kids as much as other parents. I simply think that male/female parents have more resources to help their kids.
X2 This echoes my own thoughts closely.
It’s hard to see why such ideas should be controversial.
And yet in 2017, they are.
I do not disagree.
That said, if you’ve got two parents of the same sex raising a kid, it makes sense to me that one is going to be more masculine and one will be more feminine on some things. (And I’m not saying that one parent is going to be consistently more masculine/feminine across the board.)
I definitely learned a lot of different things from my mother and father because they’re two entirely different people. I’d expect the same from a same-sex couple with kids–while two dads and two moms might be similar, they’re still going to be two individuals raising another individual together. I don’t think it’s beyond the pale for one partner to fall into the disciplinarian role (which was my father when I was growing up) and the other partner to fall into the contrasting “supportive” role (my mom, obvs.)
they’re still going to be two individuals raising another individual together.
Bingo.
One thing that I actually do wonder about is the difference between being raised by two versus three or more parents.
The kid who has 3 parents is of course at a huge advantage in having 3 adults to manipulate and turn against each other for their benefit.
+1 most unstable arrangement
Those are some differences that would be interesting to explore.
I would suggest maybe looking at communities that consider kids more communal property that everyone is responsible for raising, but most of those are going to be pretty religious, I’d think, so I’m not sure if it would be a fair comparison unless the two individuals are also a similar degree religious.
You mean Hillary’s vision of society? Or were you thinking more of the Spartans?
Not that there would be much difference. Maybe the helots would survive longer in Sparta
I was thinking of the Hoots around here.
I’m not sure how best to articulate this, but I do think you’d get vastly different results comparing children raised by n+1 parents vs children raised by a community. At least with n+1 parents, the child in question is still the property of those parents, and those parents are responsible for that child. In a true “it takes a village” to raise a kid type of society, I worry about a tragedy of the commons effect. If the child technically belongs to everyone, then no one is really personally responsible for it.
Doesn’t have to be a “community.” My parents are from families of 9 and 6, respectively. Surrogate parents are easily filled by biological grandparents, aunts, uncles, etc.
That is true, mexican sharpshooter. My mother is one of five and the oldest daughter. She was often a surrogate mom to her younger siblings when Mom was busy. And when I think about it, one of my aunts (my mother’s younger sister) often filled a motherly role when my own mother was otherwise occupied. It’s a dynamic I often forget about, being one of two kids.
Agree with everything you said. I agree that with same sex couples, everyone will find their niche in the family. My wife is actually the disciplinarian in our family. I tend to only get worked up about big things. She’s the one who gets beds made every day.
The fact that all my kids are individuals (and not clones of me) was something that sort of surprised me. Since I am perfect, I figured that they would take after me and like all the same things I did. Then your kids aren’t even the same as each other and you can’t use the same tricks on one that worked on the other.
I think that my point was more that even a really great lesbian who can do a lot of guy stuff like wrestle with kids and play catch won’t (probably) be able to take her sons along with her when she hangs out with other guys to watch football. Like I said, as a young kid, you pick up on a lot of subtle shit about how to deal with other guys doing that. (I have no idea how girls pick up on how to be a woman)
For example, if you are raised by women, when it comes time to pay the bar tab do you get out your calculator to figure out your share? Or do you somehow learn that you throw in $30 and refuse to take any change? Are you offended when you are given a nickname like Stink Nuts by your buddies?
You make a good point, And MLW said below that she didn’t include it in the article because it was getting a bit verbose, but basically you need to make sure that if you’re two chicks raising a little boy, he needs some positive male role models in his life. I’d say the same goes for two dudes raising a little girl–she needs exposure to positive female role models.
That doesn’t seem like such a strange concept to me. If you had a kid who wanted to grow up to be, say, a veterinarian, you might introduce him/her to your buddy who works in that trade. When your kids are things that you are not, you find a way to expose them to those things as positively as you can, no?
I think that is very well said, Riven. Simple, but powerful, advice that all parents should follow.
Thank you. I like to think my folks lived this motto and that’s why it resonates so much with me, personally.
When my son was thinking about becoming a pharmacist, I brought him to meet the wife of a buddy of mine who was in that field. She gave him a lot of good advice on what to do and what to look for in a school. (her husband and I sat nearby and drank beer)
So far none of my buddies’ kids have asked for a sit down with me to learn how you can be a semi-drunk working from home jerk and still make some money. Bit disappointed to tell the truth.
*Raises hand* Can I have a sit down with you to learn that?
… don’t sit on his lap, for heaven’s sake
Well, now I know exactly what the topic of conversation will be next week at our TC (+1 NoDak) Glibs meetup.
To be honest, I can only offer advice on achieving the semi-drunk part of that equation. The other stuff just sort of happened.
Happy to give a live demo on the drunken stuff though.
*signs up for seminar
I do hope that audience participation is encouraged.
MikeS, once someone passes out audience participation is mandatory.
um, sign me up.
…dad?
It doesn’t seem like a strange concept to us, but how many militant feminist lesbians would want to introduce a strong male influence into their children’s lives? I’d guess not many which prompted Pope to issue his disclaimer in Line 1 about uttering unorthodox thoughts.
Let me strongly disclaim that militant feminist lesbian is not a generalization about lesbians! My wife’s aunts are lesbians and damn, do they know how to have a good time with hunting, fishing, grilling, knocking back bourbon, etc. They also point out the hot women in crowds to me. I think they would provide a stronger masculine influence than most typical men.
how many militant feminist lesbians would want to introduce a strong male influence into their children’s lives?
None, which is part of why I think those results in the study look the way they look. I consider that more of a politics problem than the fact that there lesbians, but I don’t know how to address that. I am but one woman.
GF at least so far hasn’t been a raving lunatic politics-wise. She’s shared a few lefty memes, but it’s a once-a-month kind of occurrence rather than the incessant foaming at the mouth that most other lesbians I know subject me to. It seems like she’s less a true believer and more doing it to fit in with the crowd.
Dear God, did my phone correct that “they’re” to “there” or did I make the dreaded typo? Anyway, Spartan, meant to add that I know you weren’t saying it’s an intrinsic lesbian thing, I was just agreeing with you.
I gotcha and agree with you that it is probably more a politics problem. Also noting though that politics is very deeply embedded in some gay communities. Is anyone more vilified by the progs than a conservative gay or black person?
No point to make really, just pondering how sad it is when someone’s identity is so interconnected to their political team. That’s good that your GF hasn’t jumped in too deep to the derp. My wife’s aunts are two of the happiest people I know and they are nominally conservative but really just apolitical.
I think you get to the heart of it. But, I suspect there’s even more to it than that. I mean, your dad has some degree of authority with you that “a positive male role model” just isn’t going to bring to the table. That probably has a significant impact on the nature of the relationship.
But, I think it goes beyond just masculine and feminine, though. Doesn’t it? This isn’t to say it can’t work out. Just that I think it would take a lot more work and a lot more consideration.
There probably is an advantage to an extent, but I don’t think it’s such a huge advantage that it inherently causes major problems for kids from single parent households, divorced parents/blended families, or gay parents. It’s like the white privilege argument. Lots of factors contribute. I’ve known perfectly well-adjusted people whose parents were divorced, and then I know people who were dysfunctional wrecks. It’s just one factor IMO. And like I said in the article, I think the disadvantage might intrinsically be small, but is made larger when your parents are raging leftists because that environment tends to breed misery.
“I think the disadvantage might intrinsically be small, but is made larger when your parents are raging leftists because that environment tends to breed misery.”
I would agree that trying to force your kid to have a sex change at 3 is probably unhealthy for the child.
Ding ding ding. I’ve said it before, but I wanted to be a mermaid when I was 3 and I was very, very serious about it. Kids that little don’t understand anything.
Clearly you just didn’t try hard enough.
Exactly this.
I wonder if all little girls who wanted to grow up to be mermaids became libertarians…
._. Because that’s what I wanted to be when I was growing up, too. … Or a mortician
You just got confused, you just wanted to have Gomez talk to you in Italian.
Hahahaah! Took me a second to figure out what you were talking about, believe it or not.
I grew up watching the knockoff. My first exposure to the Addams Family was in that movie with Christopher Lloyd and Christina Ricci.
You’re on a roll
Riven, we must have had a similar childhood, because in addition to the mermaid thing I also grew up watching The Munsters.
Holy crap. Maybe there really is some commonality to raising libertarian chicks.
So far we have: mermaids, Munsters.
What else? There must be more. Were you a tomboy? I was… although not a particularly athletic one.
I was… although not a particularly athletic one.
The D&D name was not a giveaway at all.
“Drizzt” would have been a bigger hint …
I’ll have you know, Titor and Number 6, that when I first got this name, everyone thought it was a Myst reference! Now everyone thinks it’s League of Legends. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I was still pretty involved in organized sports when I made it–volleyball, swimming, and fast pitch softball. But I’d managed to get out of basketball, flag football, soccer, track and field, and gymnastics by then, too. Dad was a real sportsfan.
I was conflicted.
I wasn’t sure whether it was a reference to the character, or a candid, kinda humblebrag description of your sex life …
Riven: I was and I wasn’t? I suck at sports and I really loved stuff like dolls, but I have always disliked wearing skirts and I really like building things. (Part of the reason I liked/still like dolls, I like building miniatures.) So I’m not sure if that counts as tomboy or not, haha.
*Frantically takes notes to make sure possible future daughter becomes libertarian*
…
*frantically tries to hide said notes from OMWC*
I’m totally on board with skirts for men after the trans wars die down. That sort of junk airflow really appeals to me.
(And no one bring up kilts. Fucking haggis smugglers.)
I will tolerate insults to the Irish, Germans, and the Italians, but I will not accept defamation of the glorious Scottish peoples. I will send a pipe band to Sugarfree’s house as punishment.
[Vader NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!]
You know, you can be a mermaid.
I’m so mad they didn’t have these things when I was a kid. I would have been all over it. I think I’d be too self-conscious now.
WHY YOU SAY “FABLED”?
JUST VISIT NORTHWEST FORESTS, YOU SPOT STEVE SMITH!
AND BY SPOT MEAN RAPED!
Most likely, given what we know.
I don’t think it’s such a huge advantage that it inherently causes major problems for kids from single parent households
Statistically, single-parent households are strongly correlated with crime, welfare dependency, economic insecurity, and anti social behavior. It’s well and good to theorize that any individual or collective group of people could and should potentially be just as good as any other individual or collective group of people at the task of child rearing, but it’s not an engineering problem. Two abusive asshole heterosexual Christians with a white picket fence and golden retriever might raise a kid with just as many problems as a single mom on welfare. Theoretically. But either there’s a lot less abusive assholes than single moms, or something mitigates the damage the cause, or there’s another lurking variable in half a century’s worth of crime stats.
as always correlation != causation
Is crime greater in those families raised in single parent households or are they single parent households because they are part of a culture which glorifies victimhood status and poor decision making?
Do 2 parent households perform better because there is something inherently better about 2 parent households when it comes to raising children or do they perform better because the kind of person most likely to form and stay in a stable 2 parent household is also the type of person most likely to be a successful parent?
Personally I think it has far less to do with the number and gender of parents than the kind of person the parent is
I’ve always wondered about the single-parent statistic. Does it hold true when comparing single fathers raising kids versus single mothers? Asking as a dude raised by a single father.
Ditto, for the same reason. Dad was a cop, and while I was a hellraiser in my younger years (as was he) and I’m not in the best financial straits, I think I’m reasonably normal. It would be interesting to see how much of an exception I am.
I agree, except with mitigating circumstances. Children of, say, poorer, alcohol and drug use prone straight parents are far worst off than adopted or in vitro kids in middle class functional same sex families. And jumping between foster homes is the absolute worst.
Truth.
Especially if Nikki is one of the foster parents ….
She’s only a foster parent during the season when there might be snow on the ground to shovel.
Then she kills them. For their own good.
My father spent a short time in foster homes as a kid and he is still fucked up about it.
In fact, the only reason I know about that is because of other relatives. If you ask him about it, he will clam up and tell you to fuck off.
Oh, also:
With two moms, how does a kid learn how to do certain things? Fuck, how do they get the opportunity to learn how men behave in their groups?
I was going to talk about this in the article originally, but it got long and rambly. I was going to suggest that if you’re a lesbian parent, particularly if the kid is a boy, you make an effort to make sure the kid has exposure to positive male role models in his life. If it was me specifically, I’d make sure they spent a lot of time with my dad doing boy stuff. Scouting is also a good option that I know a lot of LGBT activists/feminists/leftists screech about because ERMAHGERD BSA IS HOMOPHOBIC. To my knowledge, they don’t discriminate against the kids of gay parents, they just don’t want them involved in leadership roles. I’m cool with that. I would say suck it up and get the kid in a troop. If BSA doesn’t work out, something like Campfire Kids or 4H or whatever. Just make sure the kid is exposed to normal people ffs.
Didn’t stop me from being long and rambly.
I agree. If I had a daughter and a husband, I’d find ways to make sure my daughter had other women in her life. Even if my husband was the swishiest swish from Swishtown, I think my daughter would learn more from other women then from him.
Up until the LGBT et al activism reached the point where we erased the concepts of sex and gender, it was pretty well established orthodoxy even in the gay community that being a flamboyantly gay man didn’t make you a woman, and being a butch gay woman didn’t make you man. It’d be silly to think a little girl could learn everything about being a girl from a flamboyantly gay man, because he’s, you know, a man. Ironically, after 20 years of lecturing the public about stereotyping gay people that way, the narrative has now flipped to where expressing any deviance from the most extreme stereotype of masculinity or femininity makes you some nebulous non-gendered unclassifiable snowflake.
Are you a fan of Karen Straughan?
Wait, are you Karen Straughan?
To my knowledge, they don’t discriminate against the kids of gay parents, they just don’t want them involved in leadership roles.
They ended the ban on gay scout leaders a couple years ago. We’re onto tranny scouts now.
BSA national doesn’t discriminate against gay leaders anymore, although they leave it up to the troops for religious considerations. So, Mormon troops don’t have to allow gay leaders but Methodists can if they so desire. My son belongs to a Methodist Church sponsored troop that allows gay leaders. We are not Methodists, by the way, NTTAWWT.
I found out my old leader sold coke. he was a mechanic who lived down the street.
he was a cool dude, but left pretty soon after I got there because he got lung cancer.
We definitely had a few helping people who were gay, but no one cared. It was way before the BSA officially changed policy.
Is it a thought crime to posit that mothers and fathers bring different strengths to parenting? (of course it is a thought crime, but felony or misdemeanor?)
Of course, because it cuts through the modern feminist contention that women are better at everything than men, but still fragile like a flower.
Like you, I don’t think I need to be putting my nose into how other people structure their families. They’re your kids, raise them how you want. In fact, I’m quite happy that the kids are getting parents that seem to give a shit.
However, I think that, all else being equal, the traditional family is going to have better outcomes. Its kinda like the discussion we had a few weeks back about the glorification of single motherhood. We can remove stigmas and accept differences all we want, but when traditional families are no longer the “gold standard” to be sought after, society suffers.
I’m not really sure one way or the other about this. I think it’s totally possible for same-sex couples to raise kids who are no more fucked up than those of any other kinds of couples. I think if there’s a difference, it’s at the margins, and that’s where I could go either way.
Maybe in situations where you have two very feminine or very masculine people the lack of the other might be detrimental. I think that’s pretty rare, though. Most people nowadays seem to be closer to a middle ground, Sure, most people tend to be more masculine or more feminine, but you don’t see men who refuse to cook and don’t hug their kids much anymore, nor do you see women who won’t curse or use fainting couches too much.
So like with two Trigglypuffs (Christ, there’s an image to keep you awake at night) or two people who are at almost satirical extremes of masculinity or femininity, there might be an issue, but I suspect most couples of whatever sex(es) wind up with roughly the same net amount of masculine and feminine traits.
See, I think you may be overstating the amount of gender blending that has happened in our culture. Even the most masculine, butch woman is treated differently in a group of guys, and even the most effeminate guy has a unique role in a group of girls.
I guess I’m saying that I still haven’t been convinced that something isn’t lost in translation when you sub out mommy for another daddy or vice versa. By and large, men are still men and women are still women.
I mean, this is allegorical, but in my household I’m described by my wife as “the man of the house”, and typically I do the stuff you’d expect from that title, but we split things like cooking and housework, we both work full-time, we both take care of our kid, etc. While I’m obviously masculine and my wife is obviously feminine, in terms of behavior there isn’t a whole lot of difference, not from my kid’s perspective I would think. Maybe as she gets older she’ll notice more gender related differences, but I’m not sure that those differences are really significant from the point of view of rearing a child. Like I don’t really find myself having to fight off rampaging bears too often, and my wife doesn’t need to churn butter or knit or anything. Like I say, we’re both pretty stereotypical for our respective genders, but in practical terms those traits don’t seem to manifest in a way that would be significant to a child, I think.
The only issue I could really see in a same-sex scenario would be if a child lacks a positive male or female influence. I can definitely point to several examples in my life of men and women who suffered for the lack of a strong same-sex role model in their lives. But there’s no reason that person has to be one of the two primary parents. I know people for whom a grandmother or an uncle filled that role just fine.
Family friend, Cool neighbor (NOT OMWC), some sort of club or sport.
All great options.
But there’s no reason that person has to be one of the two primary parents. I know people for whom a grandmother or an uncle filled that role just fine.
I think this is the core of where we disagree. To me, this is qualitatively the same as saying that single parenthood is just as good and desirable as a traditional family. There are certainly people that make alternative families work, but on the whole, it strikes me as quite irresponsible to pre-emptively rely on extended family to make up for the deficiencies of the immediate family. From my experience, this happened with my maternal grandparents and my wife’s maternal grandparents. They had to swoop in and play “third and fourth parent” for their grandkids during and after divorces. They deserve to enjoy their old age, but they’ve been forced to raise a second generation of kids.
It’s one thing for that situation to be a culmination of bad decisions or a divorce, but to actively plan for some extended relative to take on a quasi-parental role? I just can’t imagine calling that situation “just as good” as a traditional family.
Occasionally, there’s a certain strain of libertinism that pops up in libertarianism, and it doesn’t sit well with me. It seems to be an intersection of Randian hyper-individualism and SJW-inspired popular culture denial of biological stereotypes. This pernicious idea associated with “live and let live” that we somehow can’t call an orange an orange, because out there somewhere, there’s probably a red orange. That we somehow can’t call traditional things better, even if we believe that people should be able to do non-traditional things.
We can be happy for single parents and same sex families that make it work without “evening it all up.” There’s nothing wrong with saying that a gay couple adopting a child is the second best result for that kid.
I think this is, if anything, an understatement. I think boys relationships with their mothers and fathers meet different respective needs than those of girls and their relationships with each parent differ.
“But it involves leaving politics (identity and otherwise) at the door, for the sake of your kid”
Not that I’m an expert or anything but doubly so, I think, for non-traditional families. If a lesbian or gay couple are filled with anger, I imagine it being very hard to keep that shielded from the kids. Shit, I have a hard time keeping things away from my daughter.
At the daycare, as an aside, a same-sex couple brought in their son with fuscia coloured toe nail polish. While no one makes much of an issue of a same-sex family, let’s just say no one was impressed.
My youngest wanted to do that. It caused a bit of an argument between my wife and I but in the end we both agreed he was three and that he has to wear closed toed shoes anyway.
I don’t think there’s much wrong with a kid wanting to do so (my niece wasn’t much for ‘girlie’ stuff and still isn’t to this day), it’s just that in this case it was perceived to be a bit too obvious and not necessarily good given the other boys are pretty, you know, boyish. Not that they’re aware one way or another and nor should anyone make them aware. Which is the whole point of the sentence – don’t use your kids as political wedges to make a social-cultural point. It’s in the same vain of the ‘what am I gonna tell my daughter?!’ nonsense after Trump was elected.
don’t use your kids as political wedges to make a social-cultural point.
This. There’s a difference between a curious boy comping around the house in mom’s heels and participating when mom paints her nails versus getting a mani-pedi before daycare.
The interesting thing to me is that girls are much less susceptible to this kind of stuff. Most traditionally masculine activities (hunting, sports, etc) aren’t seen as exclusively masculine.
I understood what you were trying to get at. The argument between my wife and I was between her implying that my telling my three year old not to paint his toes candy apple red like his sister was supposed to be a social wedge statement. It wasn’t, it was more in the sense, “stop it, you look like a jackass.” The same sense that I tell my oldest not to wear his pants up to his navel, he looks like a jackass.
Quite frankly, if your dad isn’t willing to tell you that you look like a jackass, who will?
The Glibertarian commentariat?
And uncharacteristically, we’d probably do it for free!
Hmm. I see what you are saying.
*removes yellow necktie*
Thank you.
I think you underscore a severely under appreciated aspect of being governed and raised by our elders.
Some of the boneheaded or misguided things we do could and should have been rectified with a simple ‘don’t be an idiot’ or ‘hey, not cool’ or in your example ‘a jackass’ from someone like a father, brother, uncle, friend etc.
Sometimes it’s all you need. My father, despite our limited interactions growing up because he ran a small business, was to always look at us (while smoking of course) and say things like ‘never try and cheat the government. Pay your taxes and shut up because they win in the end’ or ‘non fa maleducati’ don’t be miseducated – in other words, don’t be an idiot which expands into ‘you know better’.
Or when I was gong off track trying to be a tough guy, I had my brother in law 11 years my senior (who was a true bad ass) who would grab me by the collar and tell me to sit down and stop being a jerk off.
-1 You can act like man
Oh, fwiw, I didn’t mean to imply you didn’t get my point. It just came out that way.
Lesbians are the white people of parents.
Of course.
Old white men are the old white men of old white men.
Diabetics are the white people of the chronically ill.
Perverts are the young white people of old people.
Pedophiles are the white people of paraphiliacs.
Van drivers are the white people of bicyclists.
Mimes are the white people of mutes.
It’s just white people all the way down.
Well, I don’t think anyone could argue against that.
~To OMWC. Not Interrupting Cow.~
Patriots fans are the white people of NFL aficionados.
White people are the deplorables who voted in the deplorable orange people.
Turtles are the white people of turtles?
I saw a link on Derpbook last night with the headline “Black men are the white people of black people” or something like that. I didn’t have a chance to get on here yesterday so I don’t know if it made the rounds, but I thought of you all.
like Lindsey Lohan on a Saturday night
Still would
I knew a guy who slept around a lot. I mean, a lot. He washed his dick with rubbing alcohol.
Pretty sure that’s not how it works.
Also, I can’t find the listerine scene from cabin fever but it’s appropriate here.
All I was suggesting is that after Lohan, it might not be a bad idea, just on the off chance. Sort of a Pascal’s Wager after what you’ve put your penis through.
Reminds me of a dude I knew who didn’t use a condom with the whores in Thailand. I’m sure he got diseases that haven’t even been named yet.
Rubbing alcohol probably wouldn’t be that good a long-term answer, in fact, rubbing alcohol often has a lower alcohol content than Purell. That, and he’ll dry his todger out and if done enough, he’ll have got dermatitis. Oh, and no effect on virii.
To be sure, he should use gentian violet. Still not a good antivral, but easier on the skin. Although it turns it brown.
Once you go brown, you’ll never turn back around?
Is this why some male porn performers have dual colored junk?
More likely the extensive use of sun-beds, although I’d expect that the days Peak Tanned Johnson are largely over.
Might want to consult Jesse on that one.
Eh, you’d be hard pressed to find someone who lusted after the young Lindsay Lohan more than me, but at this point I wouldn’t fuck her with your dick.
I guess I mean young Lindsey
Yeah, we’ve been riffing on it all morning.
The comments on the article are amazing. The screen goes bloody with all the chum in the water.
http://verysmartbrothas.theroot.com/straight-black-men-are-the-white-people-of-black-people-1814157214
DAMMIT!
Just put his comment into moderation and you’ll be number one.
I keed, I keeed!!!!!1!!11!
*narrows gaze…then slow claps*
Well you know which group is playing life on the super duper hardcore setting? Mixed race black latinx blind deaf mute crippled ADHH autistic mentally retarded muslim undocumented immigrant lesbian transwomen*. I wish I had even 1/10 of their
oppression pointscourage and self of self.*Unless they stray from the Democrat political plantation, in which case they are deplorables worse than Hitler
You know which group is playing on super duper easy setting? The group of people born in the United States, the most well off civilization in human history.
Even the value of welfare people receive is greater than what people have to earn in most other places.
And you know what the proof is of that? The fact that life is so easy here that people actually pay other people to think long and hard about who has it better or worse than other people.
I remember reading a column by someone who relayed what an acquaintance who had emigrated from India had said – you know America is a wonderful place when even the poor people are fat.
my class is so hardcore, the hitdice are 1d1.
There is nothing more tedious than the Victim Olympics.
http://verysmartbrothas.theroot.com/straight-black-men-are-the-white-people-of-black-people-1814157214
I love watching these retards self destruct.
Of course if you’re a lesbian you’re going to have depression and abnormally high suicide rates. Women will drive you crazy! Imagine instead of being in a relationship with a man, who will learn to ignore the crazy, it will be like this, constantly, forever.
Reeeeerrrrrrrrr!!!!!!
Conservative and non-political lesbians do exist (no libertarians, though, since I’m the only libertarian woman),
THERE CAN BE ONLY NONE.
*You have been blessed by the Edit Faerie*
*can be only
*grumbles*
I actually like the first one.
Looks like ol’ Edit Faerie disagrees with ya!
Suddenly I find her argument to be very compelling…. to the bunk.
*looks at Edit Faerie, drools*
Do you want posts with a whole bunch of typos? Because this is how you get posts with a whole bunch of typos.
Have you seen the OTHER incarnations of the Edit Fairy?! I don’t think you want them….go see this morning’s links.
It’s like Russian roulette, except all but one chamber is loaded.
Wait, MLW is the edit fairy?!
I fully encourage more of this brand of Orwellian moderation.
I can’t explain it, but I just got a real craving to go to Denny’s and order a “Moons over My Hammy” for lunch.
I don’t want to jinx it, but if at least one person per thread could make an edit-worthy mistake, I’d be obliged…
Thicccccccccccc
That is one seriously thicc pixie.
I know this is crazy-talk, but why don’t we think of families as, I dunno, individual and unique? Sort of like treating people as individuals? The whole concept of “standard family” triggers me.
Having grown up in a “standard family,” I’m inclined to agree. I know plenty of mommies and daddies who were shit parents… I’m sure there are plenty of mommies and mommies (and daddies and daddies) who are also shit parents.
But there’s good mommies and daddies, too. So it seems like there’d have to be good daddies and daddies (and mommies and mommies).
Honey, you need to stop spiking your 11 o’clock coffee with meth, ‘K?
No
Some daddies give cummies.
*pulls up YouTube*
HM is my spirit animal/surrogate online father.
That’s some serious daddy issues you got right there, chil’e.
Your spelling of child reminds me of the guy with the little arm in scary movie 2.
I was trying for the “Baron Samedi” vibe.
You have no idea. Lol. A couple weeks ago we were discussing ahego t-shirts we’d both like to order.
I’m old enough, 420-friendly-enough, ideologically compatible enough for your daddy issues, but the ahego is a bridge too far.
You’re on your own now, girl.
You googled it, didn’t you?
That’s the main difference between HM and myself. He’ll post a link you know you probably shouldn’t click on, but you click it anyway. As for me, I feed you a little info and make you expose yourself to it.
I have an online dictionary.
I never, never click on links here without researching them first. I may be in a secluded office with my own VPN, but this site has the dankest and most toxic ‘surprise links’ I’ve experienced in a long while.
If I’m being particularly bold, I might click on one of the chive or youtube urls, but that’s it.
Momma didn’t raise no imbeciles.
I’m there for her grand-daddy issues.
In which case you should most certainly not click on this link, no matter how terribly your curiosity burns.
I am always feeling a frisson of terror when I click an HM link…
The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, and the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown.
The proper term for an HM link really shouldn’t be ‘frisson’, but ‘frottage’.
So far no one has been malicious about url linking have they? I don’t know if this particular brand of dick move works in wordpress.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
Yeah fantastic, you have lots of anecdotes. Anecdotes don’t mean some groups do better as parents than others.
Nobody around here accepts anecdotes when the political question is one that isn’t popular. “Hey I know know lots of people in socialist countries who had a good life, and lots in America who had a shifty life so you can’t say socialism is worse.” You would get verbally kicked in the balls for making that argument here.
Standard families have better results, capitalist countries have better results. Anecdotes don’t matter.
Dad was reminiscing about his marriage to mom and joked that he’d probably have committed murder-suicide if he’d stayed with her. I doubt it’s far from the truth.
No doubt in my mind that this is what would have happened if I had stayed with my last wife.
I, on occasion, worry that SP will murder you. Keep on her good side, plz.
I worry that SP won’t murder him.
The problem is that treating families as individuals clashes with both the Socon and cultural Marxist narratives.
Indeed
Even when the family appears to be standard it is usually a carefully crafted facade masking the dysfunction within.
Ward and June Cleaver were pretty much a myth, even at the time the show was on the air
That really sucks, I want June making my sammiches all day.
It’s not like someone just jotted “standard family” down as a definition. A man and a woman make a baby, no other combination does. Getting your panties in a twist over a term so obviously true and well understood reeks of language control more than some “individualist” desire.
Fetishizing the term individual is retarded anyway. Categories are useful. Libertarian is a category. It’s not just stupid to go through life incapable of recognizing patterns and categories, it’s impossible unless your a vegetable.
Kids are profoundly affected by the households they grow up in. Turmoil is always bad regardless of whether the root cause is poverty, gambling, alcoholism, sexual abuse, or anything that results in perpetually angry parents. Having a pair of pissed-off lesbians for parents is just a new, modern way of getting fucked over by the universe.
It seems like a particularly cruel way, though, even for Old Testament Yahweh.
“I am bisexual and have dated men and women roughly equally”
Go on…
In all seriousness, great article. Thanks for your perspective as someone “on the inside” of an alternative sexuality.
See, last time I dated women roughly, all I got for my trouble was a restraining order ….
Rimshot
Dear god, no, she never let me get near enough to give her one of those
(Has that ‘Family Friendly’ logo exploded yet?)
Fun fact: after you’ve been dating someone for approximately 2 years, your flora has sufficiently intermingled and normalized to one another that you can toss the salad with minimal risk.
… I’m so enjoying this lamb gyro with tahini at the moment ….
Are or were?
Define “minimal risk.”
My understanding: unless your partner has an active new infection (eg: giardia, c. diff etc.) you have a green light to eat dat ass.
Poor old “Family Friendly” Logo…
We still need to put top hats and monocles on that logo.
*Checks* Nope. I blame the cancellation of thicc Thursdays personally.
…and Manly Monday and Fur Friday…
Fur Friday… dedicated to those who prefer a full bush?
familyfriendly.site is blocked at my work. ?
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Obviously dating the wrong ones.
Also, question:
As a bisexual, if you ever planned on having children, would you like to do it the old-fashioned, bourgeois way, or adopt with a long term female partner? What’s your opinion on the best outcome for the child?
I have health problems that make it so I can’t make kids. (I think it’s genetic because a loooot of my family members on both sides have had trouble having kids.) So it would have to be adoption either way. If we’re talking about adoption in itself, I’m pretty confident because a good deal of my relatives are adopted (for the reasons above) and they’re all well-adjusted. There’s never been any drama about that aspect. If it’s a question of “which is better for the kid, mom/dad or mom/mom,” I think they’d turn out fine with a mom/mom situation if I was one of the moms because I’m not going to put up with any shit. No gender non-conforming BS, make sure they have positive male role models, etc. Obviously I don’t have a crystal ball, but from this end I’m hopeful it would work out okay.
If sloopy looked at you sideways, you’d be pregnant. He seems to have magical reproductive powers, on par with a typical NBA player.
OMWC also has trouble having kids, but that’s another story.
I was told he has kids all the time.
*gags, then begins applause*
hence the trouble.
The secret to his success is that he is always dribbling
He doesn’t dribble, he shoots from downtown!
I think there are too many uncontrolled factors in that study. It isn’t just missing a male presence they are missing at least one biological parent. That seems to play a large part in the identity of any kid who was adopted or has only one of their biological parents for whatever reason. There is also the question and I would assume the answer is yes, is having lesbian parents better than long term foster care/orphanages.
Hey! I treat my orphans very well, thank you! Orphan 37273, tell waterfall how I treat you very well!
Those factors are irrelevant. If the question is “do lesbians make good parents compare to standard families” the answer is no. The fact that other groups may also make bad parental combinations doesn’t effect the result.
The political question is just as irrelevant unless they cherry picked only lefty lesbians. But even the author seems to agree that lesbians are just more lefty so the sample is representative. The chicken and egg question doesn’t matter when the chicken and egg come together anyway.
Pulling apart the data by politics may be interesting but it changes the point of the study and would just induce poor sampling bias to the result.
Society is to blame; it is because of the unwelcome attitudes of people raised in Nuclear families and their false-assumptions of ‘normalcy’. This is why we should support policies which encourage the destruction of the nuclear family, so that all people might be equally likely to be miserable.
^^without reading or replying to comments above, i would also say that any study about non-traditional families commissioned by a Catholic University of America is about as confidence inspiring as the Vegan Communists Of America research into the yummyness of slow-cooked pork, or SEIU deep-dives into ‘productivity incentives’, etc.
meaning: amount of salt to take with
Yeah, I took it at face value for the sake of argument, but it is pretty laughable. No kidding the results are going to show what they want. Sort of like climate studies…but I digress.
Nonsense. Catholic University of America is a distinguished institution. Suggesting that they can not produce scholarly work, because of their religion is wrong.
The study should be taken with a grain of salt, because all sociological and psychological studies are faulty. It is impossible to replicate results and no definitive conclusions can ever be reached.
*Puts away the communion wafers and grape juice*
“*Puts away the communion wafers and grape juice*”
Wine. Catholics don’t drink ‘grape juice’ like the tee totaling protestants. They drink wine
Forgive me.
I grew up Episcopalian and legit cried in Sunday school the first time they tried to get me to drink “blood.”
I can’t keep all these damned rituals straight now that I’m basically a godless* whore/heathen.
*except for Cthulhu. Ia ia!
Heh. I thought you’d called yourself a ‘goddess whore/heathen’.
Hawt. Modest too!
Ugh. Reform Cthulhuists are the worst. You think you can just skim by without sacrificing a child every full moon and the Elder One will still rise from R’lyeh and devour your soul and mind for an eternity of torment like the rest of us.
I got no qualms with Cthulhu. He’s the real deal.
I was all psyched because I was given booze in church. I mean, even Episcopalian services are pretty long for a 9-year-old to sit through, but if they’re gonna give you free booze at the end, well shit.
So do Episcopals use grape juice instead of wine? I’m Catholic and I’ve been told repeatedly that the religions are very similar, but I don’t know what the concrete differences are. (Apart from the Pope thing.)
I was just kidding by the way.
Episcopalians are the American version of Anglicans in the UK. In the UK, High Anglicanism (which is different from ‘low Anglicanism’ which is more protestant) defines itself as ‘Catholic, but Protestant’. Which sort of doesn’t make a lot of sense
Episcopalians are basically American Anglicans who realized the whole ‘Church of England’ thing wouldn’t work out so good after the revolution, and Anglicans are basically Catholics with divorce and state/monarchy rather than Pope control.
I am a Catholic who attends Lutheran services because my Lutheran wife refuses to go to a Catholic church (bad memories of going to Catholic schools). They have both wine and grape juice available in tiny plastic cups.
“They have both wine and grape juice available in tiny plastic cups.”
Share the chalice or GTFO
As long as you’re not in a clearing in Guyana when they give you those little cups.
No, Donny, these men are Episcopalians, there’s nothing to be afraid of.
Share the chalice or GTFO
“Let’s all just pretend germ theory doesn’t exist.”
In every Episcopalian church I’ve been in (which is about four) it’s wine. There are two very important facts that tell you most of what you need to know about the Episcopalian church. One, whenever you’re doing a bit from the Book of Common Prayer that refers to a Bible reading, it’s always the King James Version. Two, Episcopalian churches practice confession of sins, but it’s purely optional and not at all a requirement to participate in the Eucharist. So they’re like antique Catholics with none of the guilt.
That’s not wine. That’s a culture of multiple kissing diseases.
I thought they drank the blood of the Carpenter Lord.
Once it has undergone transubstantiation, which is after it is blessed by the church.
It’s bread and wine up until the priest casts transubstantiation. From context we’re talking material components here.
So before your shamans work their magicks on it, it’s just wine? But wine is still technically grape juice. Which makes Riven technically correct.
Yeah, wine is just like grape juice in the same way that ginger ale is ginger beer. Or in the same way that Bill Weld is a libertarian.
Also, I was just messing with Riven. Sorry, if I offended you.
*Scratches “Annoy the Papists” off today’s ‘To-Do’ list*
Oh, you godless Canadians
You would prefer us godless, trust me.
No offense taken over here, Just Say’n. 🙂
Distinguished aint got nothin to do with it.
I don’t care how rigorous you are, if you have skin in the game, you’re not going to publish research undermining your own reason for being. Its just extraordinarily convenient that they find exactly the answers they’re looking for
At the same to no other university would be allowed to publish those results, for asking to do the study they could lose their job. Since all sources on such a topic are potentially bias you could probably just look at the method.
I’ve long believed that progressivism is, first and foremost, a method for shitty people to justify their shittiness. It should be no surprise that when two shitty people get together and try to raise a child, that kid is gonna be all sorts of fucked up.
Agreed. Progressivism really is a form of mental illness and being raised by two parents with mental illness can’t be good.
Parents in general tend to project their neurotic feelings and issues onto their kids from a young age. My mom has a bunch of neuroses that she tried to push on her kids constantly, and it fucked some of us up at a young age. It’s at the point where you realize Mom is full of shit about things like mosquitoes carrying AIDS that you become a lot more independent and balanced as a result.
Now imagine that, but with the neuroses of your average progressive parent nowadays. Imagine being lectured at age six about your white privilege. End result is either rebellion or issues.
+1 This Be the Verse
Not my favorite ditty ‘cuz I mostly abhor misanthropy, but it’s catchy.
+1 My sons contribute to rape culture
One of the very best lessons a kid can learn is that adults are full of shit half the time.
+1 Bill Burrs “Daddy hides money in the walls because he doesn’t trust banks.”
let’s be honest, that’s basically what the bank does with it anyway.
If only they did.
They actually count it very carefully, multiply it by 10, and indiscriminantly lend it to people who can barely afford to repay it, because if they don’t, they’ll be hit with a lawsuit regarding their violation of the CRA.
Both of my sister’s just had children. Both are married, but one is homosexual and the other heterosexual. Small sample size, but I’ll compare the progress of my two nephews to see which is better adjusted as time goes on. I’ll also compare them to how my daughter does as well, being raised by a single father, because my siblings and I are highly competitive with each other. If I had to guess, I’d say that nephew 1, the son of the heterosexual sister, will do better than nephew 2, but that’s based more on nephew 1 having better access to extended family to make up for his parents shortcomings.
but that’s based more on nephew 1 having better access to extended family to make up for his parents shortcomings.
I really think that’s key.
Maybe, statistically, the results would still show that one-man-one-woman households are the healthiest environments for kids. But that’s also the case compared to single parent households and blended families, and they make it work. And I believe that same-sex couples can as well. But it involves leaving politics (identity and otherwise) at the door, for the sake of your kid.
I’d say the traditional one-man-one-woman households are probably better on average than the alternatives for the fact that it exposes kids to both a mother and a father (and not just a “mother figure” or a “father figure” – which goes equally for blended families). I think both mothers and fathers provide important psychological, emotional and developmental needs for both boys and girls, although my guess is what each provides differs between boys and girls). That said, as you note, averages aren’t reality. And I’m sure people who are really careful can get around the challenges.
But, I think you’re right that identity politics feminist lesbians are going to be a shitshow waiting to happen. They’re going to be ideologically disposed to take the
paternalpatriarchal influence out rearing the child from the outset. Plus, really, the identity politics crowd strikes me as some of the most judgmental and unaccepting of any group of people you’ll find. That’s hardly an environment for unconditional love. Does anyone really think that the type described here would be okay with their child turning out a cis-white-hetero-patriarchal-libertarian?It’s like the “muh roads” comic with more shrill screeching.
“Honey, We Raised a Shitlord: A Tale of Personal Tragedy”…coming to an Everyday Feminism near you.
The whole concept of “standard family” triggers me.
“He’s got a gub!”
Treating people as individuals is the white people of treating people.
Treating people as individuals is racist, we’re all in this together. Now give me some of your stuff!
Glibertarians are the white people of Lockean philosophy.
Treating people? They can pay for themselves.
Obligatory
Man, this guy is really in love or something…
Thought provoking article. I tend to not accept at face-value any sociological or psychological study since they are rarely able to repeat the results. And I dislike these studies that tend to try to reach a broad conclusion about a category of people. This is faulty logic. All people should be seen as individuals first.
For shame, Catholic University
CU is only nominally Catholic nowadays. It’s why LSD chose University of Dallas, and even that is a little lax.
I should have sent her to the Jesuits when she was 6.
Catholic University (which I believe is directly under the control of the Vatican) is more Catholic than DePaul, Georgetown, and Gonzaga (my God, your average state university is more Catholic than Gonzaga).
My father-in-law, who is a lawyer and a deacon once told me (with regards to Jesuits): “I think they should be expelled again”. The Dominicans have been far greater defenders of theology than the Jesuits nowadays.
Is that intentional? You criticize analysis of groups and end with a criticism of a group.
If so it perfectly encapsulates the cognitive dissonance and stupidity of the “groups not individuals” mantra.
OT: Okay, at least he does one thing right.
Kim Jung Un has teen sex slaves who feed him caviar.
Isn’t that literally the point of being a dictator? I’d be looking sideways at any dictator that didn’t do that.
I have newfound respect for Rocket Man
OK, so now the domestic press is on the black propaganda program. Won’t be long now.
It’s not all they’re feeding him. I’d wagers he’s eating them after the caviar, literally, except you can’t get that fat on flesh. I think it’s the hostess twinkies and little debbie snack cakes his dad hoarded up for the fallout shelter back in the 60s. Porkchop’s going to have a massive coronary soon, or a lead sandwich.
One of the most disgusting things about the adventure in Libya is that while people like Clinton gleefully laughed at Qaddafi being sodomized by a bayonet they mysteriously ignored the part about his female bodyguards being gang-raped, tortured, mutilated and mounted as trophies in the streets.
I won’t post the images but imagine a lot of maimed corpses with the word ‘WHORE’ carved in Arabic on them.
That is disgusting, if for no other reason than they were beautiful and probably had very little choice in professions.
Those were the kind and loving Westernized rebels that were going to usher in Jeffersonian democracy to the Middle East. Get your facts straight shitlord!
The US participation in overthrowing Qaddafi was probably the most disgraceful and unnecessary foreign interventions undertaken in the Obama administration. North Korea has cited Qaddafi’s overthrow as the main reason why they will never relinquish their nuclear weapons. Qaddafi did and six years later we worked to overthrow him.
The US participation in overthrowing Qaddafi was probably the most disgraceful and unnecessary foreign interventions undertaken in the Obama administration.
I completely agree. U.S. foreign policy can at times be somewhat evil. And it’s also often stupid. But, throwing out Qaddafi was sort of the perfect nexus of stupid and evil. We did an awful thing to undermine our interests.
Yep. Basically destroyed the single greatest Middle Eastern foreign policy success in modern American history to suck up to the Europeans and virtue signal over the ‘Arab Spring’. Classic example of good long term policy obliterated by short term idiocy.
I dunno, deciding what the most disgraceful thing Obama did is a tough choice, but yeah, the Libya debacle is high on the list.
Progs are hailing Hillary as the most accomplished presidential candidate ever. Well see, she accomplished stuff.
I dont get it. She lost. She isnt going to be president. Not now, not ever. The Clintons are done for. Are they that desperate that they have to hold up a nobody as their hero? It’s pathetic.
They’re establishing the narrative. To be truly memorable, you need drama, conflict, and this is what they’re doing now.
You can’t paint Hillary as ‘noble and oppressed’ without an ignoble oppressor (psst. That’s us)
I don’t think she’s establishing the narrative she thinks she is. How much drugs and alcohol do you think she consumes a day to totally kill off even any hint of shame or self awareness?
It’s the Clintons. They want to keep grifting the suckers. And they’re very good at it.
I never heard that story. Good lord.
Yeah, if you don’t do that why be a dictator at all?
“11 musicians accused of making a pornographic video were slaughtered”
Wait, was that part of the porn?
+1 Serbian Film?
Salo, 100 Days of Sodom
I probably should have gotten that clarified before I fapped to it.
That’s like taking Maroon 5 AND Backstreet boys out in a single event.
I’m liking the cut of this ‘Rocket Man’s jib!
So, I went over to DU, which is sort of like a zoo for dumb humans, let’s call it the Retard Viewing Area. It’s always amusing. Here’s the first post of the first thread I clicked on. In this one, they’ve all proclaimed Pence one of the new heroes, right up there with McCain, Comey, and Mueller.
They’re not unhinged or anything.
They’re referring to Clinton in that passage, right? I mean they have to be.
I’m pretty surge they’re purging anyone who does not declare complete devotion to Clinton right now.
Is DU still in love with Clinton or are they shifting to her not being a true progressive, bought by Wall Street, etc?
They’re totes in love with her now and blaming everyone she blames. If anyone dares to voice dissent, they’re basically crucified by the mouth breathing mob.
DU doesn’t sound like much of a BernieBro site, more like a straight partisan, “any Dem is a good Dem” hack page like Daily Kos.
They’re even blaming Bernie now on his socialized healthcare bill, that they all love so much. They’re just mad because they think Bernie might get credit. They clearly want Hillarycare, because that makes all the difference.
What’s infuriating is I absolutely agree with this, but I know they are total hypocrites who will bend over backwards to explain why Hillary breaking several laws with her emails is a distraction/no big deal/it happens a lot/sexist, or why it’s totes ok for Obama to spy on Trump’s presidential campaign because Russia!
Being serious, out of all the times I’ve heard lefties, and it has be at least 100 times a day, say that Trump isn’t qualified to serve, not fit to serve, should be impeached, I have never once head one of them give one single fucking reason why, not even one. I wonder if they really think people aren’t noticing this? Even in articles written by so called professional journalists, who drone on and on with ‘of course he’s not fit to serve, of course he’s colluding with Russians, of course he should be impeached now’, I have yet to see one of them provide any proof or even an explanation for why those things are true. In science, people who write articles like that online are called hacks and fringe wackos. But in journalism, that gets you high paying jobs and status.
Quit thinking of journalism as if it has ever been a reputable vocation. People get into this field because they like to hear themselves talk and they like to tell other people what to think. It’s always been this way.
I don’t ever remember it being THIS bad. Sure they’ve always been loathsome creatures, but not like this.
Just ignore if comey ran a sham investigation of Hillary and if he was spying on trump for political reasons
That don’t matter because RUSSIANS!
“I can’t help but wonder what the difference would be in a household with two moms like that, rather than a household with Big Red as Mom 1 and Trigglypuff as Mom 2.”
I woke up from a short nap with a craving for a peanut butter and jelly sandwich. I sat down in front of the computer with my sandwich and a glass of milk and to my pleasure and surprise there is an article authored by MLW. The article is spot on but I got to the end and that line caught me by surprise. My peanut butter sandwich ended up in the back of my nose and half a mouthful of milk landed on my desk.
Thanks for that.
Would both lesbian parents make you a sammich or would neither make you one so you’d eat a carton of ice cream instead?
Nerkish is now my favourite comic book youtuber, and he’s only been around for like a month. That interview is great, it’s like watching a child’s dreams die as she realizes her creative hero is a weirdo with issues.
And that ad at the end to donate to autism charities was hilarious.
WHITE PORCELAIN.
See, that is a person that should never reproduce or be responsible for a child, regardless of the sex of her partner.
The fact that WHITE PORCELAIN guy is not a meme shows there is no justice in this world.
WHITE PORCELAIN guy is the white people of memes.
*files paperwork for this to be the official WHITE PORCELAIN meme*
I can’t imagine anything that could fuck a kid up more than having Duke parents. Except maybe having Muslim parents
Dyke.. Fucking autocorrect
Having two John Wayne parents would be awesome
Duke parents may be worse, inbreeding you know.
No, its better with Duke.
These Troy hot takes are…disturbing
No, autocorrect had it right. Duke is the purest concentration of evil on the face of the earth. I mean, just look at Grayson Allen’s face.
The sportsball people will be by shortly to make hilarious jokes.
I’m tired of all your foozball friends, foozball is da debil!
Duke only has roundball, lacrosse, and stripper gang-rape teams.
Duke is da debil! I invented electricity!
You want to be raised by two Mike Krzyzewskis?!
He’s not a father who’s a leader, he’s a leader who happens to be a father.
Those AmEx commercials were the worst thing ever.
Turned out alright for that Atreides kid.
Politico showing themselves to be morons again
https://mobile.twitter.com/politico/status/910446460268838913
Analysis: the electoral college is a national security threat
Because of fake news and Facebook news! Therefore need popular vote
It should be entertaining to see what all of these creepy fuckwits have to say when Trump gets re-elected. Russians? Lizard people? Racists? I am confident they will double down on insulting the American people.
Obviously the opposite is true. Must have taken some serious pretzel logic to arrive at that pre-determined conclusion.
The same popular vote that decides how EC votes are cast?
*emails link to Politico*
Grover and the Electoral College
Grover is the white male of the Sesame Street Muppets.
Oh, btw, mods: I sent something else but I sent it straight to the submit@glibs email address rather than using the form. Should I use the form instead? It was on Saturday.
I’ll ask the Head Honcho… or Honcha, I guess.
Honcho is Japanese so changing the o to a does not feminize it.
Honchochan or Honchan?
One of the two people who check that is usually passed out drunk all weekend.
Oh, wait. That means I’m not the other one. Dang it.
One ofthetwopeople who check thatis[are] usually passed out drunk all weekend.Look, OK… One of us has to stay sober. If for no other reason, in case OMWC has another of his “episodes.”
You’re right.
Should we draw straws for this weekend? No fair photoshopping!
I don’t know why it has to be only the two of us. Couldn’t someone else dump a bucket of ice water on the horny old goat when he gets all riled up?
That’s usually a team effort by SP and webdominatrix.
It was your turn in the barrel this week.
There should really be two of us at all times, like a nuclear missile silo.
I’d be scared of having you as my key-buddy, SF.
It’s too important a job to trust to just anyone, SF, and you know it.
Remember what happened last time when we weren’t around? Pretty sure Swiss and Sloopy are still having nightmares.
… dark, lonely, thankless … etcetera, etcetera, etcetera!
I think I’d be very entertaining to work with in high-pressure bunker sort of situation.
Tom Woods is re-tweeting this
https://twitter.com/Communism_Kills/status/910530680123248642
https://twitter.com/Communism_Kills/status/891272949440950272
Cosmos hardest hit
Between her and Soave being presented as ‘champions of free speech’ I wonder why actually advocates of free speech are being attracted to far more…let’s say ‘radical’ options?
Spiked.com is great, but their whole ‘unsafe spaces’ tour in the US has the most milquetoast defenders of free speech ever. Ben Shapiro looks like John Locke reincarnated in comparison to these cosmos
Spiked is not populated by Americans. Them furriners have different ideas about what ‘freedom of speech’ means. I have been reading Spiked for years and there is an undercurrent of Cosmo over there. It’s not as bad as TOS but it is there.
Brendan O’Neill is pretty damned solid, though he’s all I know of Spiked.
In terms of defending free speech, it goes:
Spiked > MAD Magazine > Reason
Yep, Spiked is better that 95% of all American publications when it comes to freedom of speech.
In Europe free speech is judged by whether or not kindergartners can call each other poopeyhead without getting on a sex crimes list for life. I mean it’s only slightly better than Australia, it’s that bad.
John Locke, reincarnated, with a vocoder and a yarmulke, of course.
Incidentally, anyone listens to Shapiro on a PC with a capable sound card? Try reducing the pitch a little and tweak the high- and low- ends of the audio spectrum . Makes the whole experience far more pleasant. That, or hitting Mute.
I thought that Ben Shapiro was just a cartoonish conservative a la Hannity or O’Reily, but I watched his whole speech at Berkeley and the guy is solid. He’s like a Jewish William F. Buckley, but with more libertarian positions.
I do agree that his voice is just as annoying as Buckley’s, though
I tend to agree however I think being the chief editor of the dailywire sort of undermines it. That is a pure click bait team site for cons
It’s on the…say…tabloidish side. That and there’s maybe three or four writers with some insane, warmongering foreign policy stances, as if they came from The Weekly Standard and decided to plop at some young guys’ party to ruin the night.
I usually don’t use ad block, because I get it, need to make your bucks, but I always turn it on for Dailywire so his goddamn book-shilling pop-ups don’t exist.
Dailywire’s secondary problem is that they have a lot of Millennial conservatives writing for them, and surprise, they’re just as shit at writing and love their crappy clickbait as much as their left-wing counterparts.
No Harry Potter references, though. So m….marginally less bad than your typical prog pundit.
Oh yeah, he’s awful on foreign policy. But, pretty much all conservatives are
“Women with this bra size are most conservative! You’ll never guess!”
Someone’s grading on a bloody curve.
I don’t need shallow musings of twentysomething conservatives anymore that twentysomething lefties. If you’re someone like Shapiro who actually has a decent argument, fine, but being Tory Buzzfeed is a mark of shame.
Should be “women with this hair color are most often conservative” and we all know the answer: “bleached blonde”.
It’s like a fucking cult
He who controls the redheads, controls the universe.
Ben is one of the more fair conservative pundits: the main issues I have with him is his voice (not his fault) and that he has no idea about why his foreign policy beliefs (pure neocon) don’t match with his domestic policy beliefs (which are pure libertarian).
I agree. His foreign policy and his voice are shit. I like the fact that he doesn’t shy away from a debate, though, and he doesn’t just cut-off his opponent. He puts people who disagree with him at the front of the line to ask him a question. I respect that.
Ben’s problem as far as foreign policy is concerned is that because he was an academic prodigy, he became a pundit right before Ron Paul and the nu-Right became a thing. So his platform became this weird mix where all of his domestic ideas are super nu-Right friendly, while his foreign policy stayed stubbornly interventionist and big-government. If he ever comes to Chapel Hill, I have a long question sheet ready for him on that front, and hopefully “ANTI-SEMITE!” doesn’t become a talking point.
The obvious counter to his idiotic Israeli welfare stance is to point out that by his logic he’s a racist for wanting to get rid of domestic welfare. Israeli welfare is particularly stupid because it’s the equivalent of dumping taxpayer money on a middle class family. Shapiro whines about other, non-Jewish states getting payments but completely ignores the fact that those payments can at least be argued for because those places are corrupt, semi-functional shitholes that you can at least marginally control with aid.
I understand and agree with the argumentation about questioning America’s generous financial support of the Israeli military (and all foreign governments), but I don’t like to frame a person’s position on the issue around their religious or ethnic background. So, I’m not going to assume that Shapiro’s foreign policy views are informed by his Jewish background. I, instead, assume that his interventionist views are informed by his ideological affinity with the writers at the Weekly Standard (oh, how I loathe the Weekly Standard). This is his greatest intellectual weakness, in my opinion.
This, along with historical background, is why I say that neocons are leftists at heart. Any question about regime change or the foreign aid train to Israel turns them all into the same insane race-baiters that we associate with the Democratic Party.
Also, The Weekly Standard is run by our fellow Bill Kristol, and you hate them, so you must be an anti-Semite!
“Also, The Weekly Standard is run by our fellow Bill Kristol, and you hate them, so you must be an anti-Semite!”
Damn it, you caught me. I only got interested in libertarianism, because I heard this is all about forcing people to make Nazi cakes and I need someone to make my cakes
Ben’s specialty is making progs look really dumb, and he excels at it. Granted, he has progs to help with that by voluntarily stepping into discussions where they have very little or no knowledge. But if you just want some entertainment with progs making fools of themselves, you won’t be disappointed.
Get him into debate with a Glib though, and perhaps we can make him SJW for a day.
I think I’m the only one here who doesn’t mind his voice.
Try reducing the pitch a little and tweak the high- and low- ends of the audio spectrum . Makes the whole experience far more pleasant. That, or hitting Mute.
This made my day.
Also, people with the treble cranked to max on the car stereo.
I heard Soave on a St. Louis local radio show a few days ago…you could hear his hair when he spoke.
What I wouldn’t give to witness a Soave/Trump scalp fight.
Soave is a pretty solid example that even in libertarian circles you don’t have to be a competent or informed human being to work your way up the journalism ladder.
Being libertarian while working for reason is pretty close to being gay behind bars. Or on a naval ship.
Or libertarion
* Or libertarian
I don’ know who this Ashley Rae is, but I already like her better than anorexic leftists who can’t take a good sammich joke. Hey Ashley, come on over and we can discuss this and make a sammich together.
Hyperion willl provide the mayo.
Artisanal!
artis-ANAL amirite?
I’m stealing that. I have no idea what I’m going to do with it, but I’m stealing it.
Just slap some lubricant on it and stick it where it fits
@gustave
my leadville friends had a saying about ski bum mountain life
“any holes the goal”
I thought about sending their office sandwich recipes or coupons, but thought better of it.
Self-identified Alt-right, Ashley Rae Goldenberg?
Honey, y’all might want to share notes with Ben Shapiro on that ….
TOS…
I’m glad that hasn’t died yet.
She should still be ashamed.
Ok, so Donald tweets out he’s having lunch with a bunch of African leaders:
I am about to click on it, expecting a tidal wave of proggy-racist derp. Pray for me.
“It’s dark, lonely and thankless work, but someone has to do it”
(Conversation between Jack Antonoff and Lena Dunham’s gynaecologist)
You win the internet today
Over-under on any of the people who post proggy derp being capable of naming even one leader of an African country?
Uhhh, Nelson Mandingo, dude.
Do you even African Study?
No, no, he’s already out of office having been succeeded by Lexington Steele.
Robert Mugabe, best African dictator! Sorry, Idi, you’ll always be my fav, but you’re like dead and stuff.
See what Africa can accomplish when evil westerners get out of the way!
I had a prog seriously tell me a few years back that the next great cities will be built in Africa. Was he serious, I mean is there any evidence this is going to happen? Maybe it is happening, I don’t know, good on them if true.
If they are, they’ll be built with Chinese money, and the housing will look like fake Pyramids of Giza, Buckingham Palace, Angkor Wat, The Sydney Opera House and 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
And they’ll be uninhabited.
Africa’s got a few pretty up-and-coming success stories, but as Mali showed even their up-and-comers can fall apart disastrously pretty quickly.
Chinese investment is a pretty big thing in East Africa right now, and I believe the Chinese gravy train won’t last much longer, so we’ll see.
South Africa’s not so bad, right? And isn’t Nigeria getting it together? Relatively speaking, of course.
Both on the backs of a treasure house of extractive industries. Minerals including rare earths for South Africa, oil for Nigeria.
South Africa, under the Zuma Presidency, is unfortunately making a lot of the same racially inspired land redistribution noises that are the hallmark of the Mugabe regime to the north. This article in an Abu Dhabi newspaper actually cites numbers and seems somewhat even handed in discussing the issue.
35% unemployment, if actually the case in SA, explains quite a bit of the ridiculously high crime rates that are cited for major cities in that country, like Cape Town and Jo’Burg.
South African whites are still being driven out of their properties in a quasi-legal nod-and-a-wink manner, so the rule of law is not that solid. The cities are very dangerous.
Nigeria will have a civil war pretty soon – the country is splitting across an East-West divide, becoming increasingly islamic to the north, driving other religions – primarily Christians – South. Let’s just say there appears to be an organized program of ‘encouragement’ being employed.
Overall, Africa’s problem remains that it’s full of African politicians. Leopards can’t change their spots that easily, and a number of them are still ideologically wed to the education provided by the London School of Economics in the 60’s and 70’s. It takes a long time to clean the Augean Stables of those kinds of ideas.
I know a couple who recently went to South Africa and they got robbed at an ATM on the first day there. Of course that could happen to anyone in a big city in the US. Just sayin…
How about riding a bus and being robbed and murdered with the assailant stabbing you between two spinal vertebrae with a bicycle spoke?
That’s one of the reasons that I was told to avoid taking public transport in JoBerg. Might be apocryphal, but it’s certainly truthy.
Wiki’s take on Crime in South Africa. Tl;dr, it’s stupid high. STEVE SMITH would be viewed as a piker by the locals.
Also consider that SA is probably lefty enough to cook the books on this—which the wiki actually mentions, in a pleasant surprise—so if this is the crime rate they’re willing to admit…
The potential is there in some countries, Nigeria in particular. If they can maintain their current course I believe the country will see an economic explosion over the coming decades, and the population is already growing very quickly. I’ve seen estimates that they could reach 1 billion within this century, though I doubt it. I expect population growth to slow down as the country becomes wealthier. However, it could still easily catch up with US population at some point.
1 billion people in a country the size of Nigeria? This doesn’t sound like a good idea to me. Sounds more like another mass starvation event.
I don’t think it will get that high. But it’s already near 200 million and growing rapidly.
Only if they go the Zimbabwe route. It’s not that hard to feed a billion people with modern agriculture and technology, and you can always trade for food if you don’t have the land to do it domestically. But, again, if your first priority is socialism and/or racist redistribution, then all bets are off.
Seems really high, but looking at some comps, perhaps not too unbelievable. Nigeria is a country of about a third of a million square miles, with not quite 200 million people. A little over a third of that land is considered arable, with a good chunk of it being the extremely fertile river delta of the Niger River.
Bangladesh also sits on a river delta, that of the Ganges/Brahmaputra. Said delta is profoundly fertile, and contributes to nearly 60% of the country’s land being arable. Bangladesh’s area is roughly 57,000 square miles, or about 1/6th that of Nigeria. Most of it floods at the drop of a hat. Until the next cyclone blows through, it has about a 165 million people living in it.
All told, Nigeria has about 4 times the arable land of Bangladesh, excluding performance factors from the incredible fertility of the Ganges area. Assuming all of the food in Bangladesh goes to its population, and assuming Nigerians want to eat like Bangladeshis—how much land does it take for fufu vs rice?—I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect Nigeria to support up to four times Bangladesh’s population, which would be nearly two/thirds of a billion people.
Not a billion, but not small either. And unfortunately, Nigerians are already all too familiar with mass starvation
It’s a trap! The Great Orange Trumpalo is going to trick them onto the slave boats!
i am disappointed.
the first 100 replies were all basically tweet-bot “fuck you not my president!!!” gibberish. nothing nearly “africa”-related
here’s the first
apparently this is a reference to The Donald calling Namibia “nambia” (like narnia, but with blacks!). Decent snark.
I like this better. Sadly, this is like 1% of the total replies, almost all of which are either pro/con memes. I am saddened. I expected more from you, twitter.
“the first 100 replies were all basically tweet-bot “fuck you not my president!!!” gibberish. nothing nearly “africa”-related”
TDS, the first proof that evolution can indeed be undone.
“Retrograde” evolution is – curiously enough – a thing.
You mean pedomorphic evolution? Or something different? I guess pedomorphic works quite well as they are definitely trending into a juvenile version of humans. Damn, I think I’m onto something here…
I was thinking of the explosion in trilobite diversity at the end of the Permian (IIRC) just before the whole genus flamed out.
It’s hard to imagine how any of the species represented at the time were more fit for survival in their environments than their ancestors. It looked like someone had gone crazy and built a couple hundred new kinds of (very strange and video-game worthy) mutants.
There should definitely be a prog mega extinction event. Maybe it happens because they pedomorph back into children and can no longer breed. I’m seeing evidence of this right now. I need some grant money *goes off whoring for grant money disguised as something climate change something something*
the first 100 replies were all basically tweet-bot “fuck you not my president!!!” gibberish. nothing nearly “africa”-related
Wait, you’re telling me that Trump’s reply feed is some kind of glorified screaming Two Minutes of Hate?
No, I never would have expected that given the maturity of his ideological opponents…
Its a battle between the 2mins hate crowd, and his cheerleading crowd of sycophants. Its a total shitshow entirely unrelated to the subject of whatever he’s tweeting.
Tin-pot little African countries.
That picture of the slouching fat fuckers from the Zimbabwe delegation is making rounds on my derpbook feed. Apparently nobody has a clue what Mugabe’s administration did to that country.
Freed them from whitey?
Freed them from the burdens of a thriving agricultural industry.
We have a shortage of food, but it’s now racist free!
this dude’s going to be a murder victim.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/07/white-zimbabwean-farmer-ben-freeth-returned-farm-eight-years/
Agreed. What happened there, is exactly what the left want here.
On the upside, the economy is now at the stage where everyone is prosperous enough to use bank notes as toilet paper.
Thanks, MLW.
I would also assume the sample is too small to get very much out of this study, but the trends from it are there. You are right, it’s almost entirely based in politics rather than the gender of the parents.
I would add to the above comments about finding a good role model of the gender of the child that uncles or aunts can make for a pretty good link. Family, they are usually pretty cool in the eyes of the kid, and they have some real motivation to help them. not that a family friend wouldn’t want to help raise a kid or be a good role model.
Grandparents, too, like you said.
I’m kind of like an uncle to my little brother. Being 11 years older will do that.
also seen on twitter… this was funny
https://twitter.com/DanielleMuscato/status/893648958886731776
Tweet 1
then 1000 scientists explain how the scientific method actually works
Tweet 2
This will probably need to happen millions of more times before people start to get the message that “consensus” is not science.
I’m not going to delete the tweet bc I don’t do that but consider this retracted
Rare and thus quite commendable.
Yea, if nothing else, good on him for owning his own mistake.
Oh, shit, sorry, Good on XIM.
Great article, MLW! Regardless of the study that spawned it, the discussion about family has been very useful.
This paper was presented at the International Conference on Shared Parenting 2017. I don’t have the actual paper, but one of the attendees said the most interesting part of the talk was not that dual parent homes have better child happiness and scholastic outcomes, but that children of two male parents were better off than those of a male and female parent, which were better off than children of two female parents.
Using an old article to check some html coding…
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Again.
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