Wednesday Afternoon Links

Happy Wednesday? Wednesday. Huh. I feel like I lost a day this week.

A little geek history — the first web-apps.

Reading George Monbiot and agreeing with him is… unsettling?

Slate goes full derp, takes issue with the idea that even in the future there will be competing uses for limited resources, and that markets will exist for humans or their robot successors to find a consensual, non-hierarchical (and efficient!) way of prioritizing those uses. Of course, unless you had Thomas Sowell (or another similarly honest economics book) beat “competing uses for limited resources” into your head, you might not understand why markets are the ultimate consensus generator.

I always get nervous when geniuses want to fix a problem that doesn’t exist. RAISING CAPITAL IS SUPPOSED TO BE PAINFUL, YOU MORONS! If you don’t like the way the stock market focuses on the short term, maybe, I dunno, get the Fed to raise interest rates high enough that CDs and bonds are viable short-to-medium term savings vehicles?

Thank goodness we still have Lemmy and David, right?

And Mythical Libertarian Woman made us all something…

Comments

516 responses to “Wednesday Afternoon Links”

  1. DOOMco

    Slate goes full derp

    Goes?

    1. PBRstreetgang

      “holds steady at” ?

      1. Well, since peak derp can never be achieved, you could say Slate is dutifully marching ever on to that elusive goal.

        1. Q Continuum

          Asymptotically approaching peak derp.

    2. Microaggressor

      Nobody is putting cash on the barrel to hear about a radical redistribution of social and economic resources.

      Couldn’t possibly be because it has a track record of failure 100% of the time.

      Post-capitalist speculations aren’t verboten; they’re invisible, not even part of the conversation.

      My confirmation bias disagrees with your confirmation bias.

  2. Q Continuum

    Futurists get on the commie bandwagon OR ELSE!

  3. Q Continuum

    Antifa chick’s eyes are pretty mesmerizing.

    1. bacon-magic

      Wood with a hand over her bike lock.

  4. Chipwooder

    The fake Teen Vogue is funny because it wouldn’t surprise anyone if it were legit.

    1. SugarFree

      Yeah, it’s right on the Poe’s Law line.

    2. kinnath

      I thought it was.

    3. PBRstreetgang

      Confession. On my first pass I thought it was real.

      1. Fatty Bolger

        Same here.

      2. Chafed

        Me too.

    4. bacon-magic

      I thought it was…
      tell me the model is actually an escort please.

    5. Gray Ghost

      It fooled me enough to check. Now I can look forward to seeing forwarded to me from various elderly relatives and friends over the next few days or so.

      I guess I can ask them to go see Sean Spicier’s take on it.

      1. Playa Manhattan

        DON’T NORMALIZE SPICER!!!!

    6. ChipsnSalsa

      differently-abled queer biracial Muslim human

      That one raised the needle but not enough to call BS at the moment.

    7. Psycho Effer

      I totally thought it was legit.

    8. Count Potato

      I thought it was Sabo, but he usually puts his name on things.

    9. Hyperion

      Heh, exactly that.

    10. butt-head

      Honestly, she should send it in to Teen Vogue, without comment. See how they respond.

      1. pan fried wylie

        “Thank You Reader,

        We appreciate your interest in our back issues however we’re unable to locate this one in our archives. We have a data retrieval team working to resolve your request in a timely fashion.

        Keep being a strong independent woman-identifying person,
        xOxOxO teenVogue”

    11. J. Frank Parnell

      If it were real there would be an article on pegging.

  5. Q Continuum

    Funny guys give the best orgasms.

    http://archive.is/b3b8t

    Or, to paraphrase a Friends 90’s joke, just invite over Manuel Ferrara and you can stand in the corner and tell knock-knock jokes.

  6. Chafed

    Man I miss Lemmy and David. Lemmy more so. I had a chance to see Motorhead on what turned out to be their last tour but didn’t. Pangs of regret.

    1. Chipwooder

      Somehow I never went to a Motorhead show. Always assumed I’d get around to it eventually….sigh

      1. Tundra

        +1.

        Stupid, really.

      2. Chafed

        It did appear Lemmy was death-proof. Though even he recognized the end would come.

        1. Gray Ghost

          It did appear Lemmy was death-proof.

          I love that later on, he switched the line in Ace of Spades that comes after, “I don’t wanna live forever,” from, “And don’t forget the Joker!” to “But apparently I am.”

          1. Chipwooder

            He also said that, for a time when he was bored with Ace of Spades, he would sing it as the Eight of Spades and no one ever noticed.

          2. Enough About Palin

            I knew a band that covered Roadhouse by the Doors and would sing “Well I woke up this morning and shot myself a queer.” No on ever noticed.

      3. Chafed

        Do we get bonus points for discussing a link?

        1. You get to pick your own paddle tonight as a reward.

          1. Number.6

            But you get to choose the ball-gag?

          2. Chafed

            No good deed goes unpunished.

    2. Gray Ghost

      I like listening to them just to hear how much Philthy, then Micky, could punish a drum kit. On one of the live versions of their songs, I think it’s Loser, they generally let the drummer have an extended solo. Both of them rock, of course, but there’s a bit towards the end of the solo where he’s got the kick drum thumping along and it sounds just like the idle on an old-school Harley. Micky’s was an older, raspier Harley, and Philthy’s was like one with the RPM set a hundred or two higher.

      Just a fun band to listen to. (From a distance, and with earplugs.)

      1. Gray Ghost

        Huh, I never knew that Mikkey Dee spelled his name that way. Or was Swedish.

        The things you learn…

      2. Chipwooder

        The drums in Overkill are awesome.

  7. Raston Bot

    Jose’s turning around.. to hook up with Maria and drop an anchor on DC.

    /one can dream

    1. Vhyrus

      I want to see that happen just for the headlines.

    2. Vhyrus

      Also, I see what you did there.

    3. Q Continuum

      Is this available on PornHub?

    4. Tundra

      That was really well done, Raston.

    5. bacon-magic

      +1 anchor baby reference

    6. Count Potato

      They should name the kid “Jesus”.

      1. Q Continuum

        Nobody fucks with the Jesus.

        1. bacon-magic

          Romans…

      2. mr simple

        Because he likes the name?

    1. Playa Manhattan

      You should see what happened to a friend of mine a few weeks ago.

      One of his partners embezzled several hundred thousand dollars from him.

      Who gets restitution? The IRS.

      http://www.dailybreeze.com/general-news/20170911/former-sec-lawyer-from-manhattan-beach-sentenced-for-embezzlement

      That’s right. If you steal, you won’t get in trouble. If you steal and don’t give the government a cut, you’re in big trouble. And that’s justice.

      1. Q Continuum

        JTFC. People are so terrified of the NSA, they should really be terrified of the IRS. They have unlimited power to destroy your life utterly capriciously.

      2. Vhyrus

        I heard a story from a gun website (duh) where a gun store was broken into and robbed. The owner fully cooperated with police and within a few days the culprits were caught with most if not all of the stolen guns. End of story, right? Nope. The store owner asked for his guns back and the police suddenly got very cold with him. Finally, the police filed civil asset forfeiture AGAINST THE STORE OWNER for the guns. He had to go to court to get his recovered stolen guns back FROM THE COPS.

        1. Chipwooder

          Hence the advice I’ve seen not to spend too much on your carry pistol, because if you ever have to use it there’s a very good chance you’ll never get it back.

        2. Sean

          Maybe I’m naive, but that seems like something his insurance company should have handled for him – one way or another. I guess I can see the angle that the guns were evidence of the crime and needed for the trial, but the civil asset forfeiture part is totally crazy.

          1. kbolino

            Does stolen property normally get held as evidence? It can take a long time for a case to go to trial…

          2. Tundra

            You can bet guns, cash and cool stuff get treated differently. My buddy’s truck got stolen and he got it back pretty quickly.

          3. kbolino

            Well, definitely cash. That’s only ever used in drug transactions!

          4. mexican sharpshooter

            One thing rumored on the interwebs about the firearms industry, is they don’t make all the much on guns. Most of those are sold at low margins above wholesale to get people in the door. Especially now where you can buy from a retailer online and the only thing you need an FFL for is the transfer. The real money there is accessories and ammunition.

          5. mexican sharpshooter

            Yeah, that comment doesn’t totally follow. I think the shop owner’s insurance could probably handle it and make him whole, but that does take a long time to process. In the end, I’d want the guns back too, its not like they were used in a crime.

          6. Vhyrus

            I don’t have insider info but my guess is that the moment the cops caught the guys and got the guns the insurance said “They’re no longer stolen, ergo we have nothing to pay for.”

          7. mexican sharpshooter

            That would make sense.

          8. invisible finger

            Yeah, but then it kind of defeats the purpose of buying insurance beyond the bare minimum required by govt.

        3. mexican sharpshooter

          That wouldn’t surprise me if it were true. You’ll never get anything back they call “evidence.”

        4. kbolino

          Oh, man. I would’ve loved to see the cop apologist spin on that one.

          1. ArchieBunker

            They would ablidge you im sure. “That mouthy, pre-pubescent girl deserved to be body slammed for talking to a cop like that”

    2. kbolino

      And yet, our government continues to have a spending problem and not a revenue a problem.

    3. Hyperion

      What about kulaks and wreckers? We can never achieve utopia until they’re all punished.

  8. Chipwooder

    From that Slate link:

    Among many other places, this rhetorical turn toward “imagination,” a common keyword in futurist circles, is evident on Black Lives Matter activist DeRay Mckesson’s podcast Pod Save the People.

    Oh just shut the fuck up

  9. Tundra

    Thank goodness we still have Lemmy and David, right?

    I’ve never seen that before – thanks!

    This guy gets it:

    SLX GUITARMAN
    1 month ago
    The world became boring without Lemmy….
    REPLY

    1. Chafed

      Definitely.

  10. Vhyrus

    You better get a copyright on that cover before an overburdened graphic artist at Teen Vogue finds it.

    1. ruodberht

      Copyright is automatic.

      1. kbolino

        It’s a joke…

        1. leonadasiv

          Jokes go over rudoberts head, as does sarcasm.

    2. Scruffy Nerfherder

      Why? That would be the best thing ever if they did.

  11. Oh Asmodius, the Slate article actually had a picture of the hammer and sickle front and center. Do self-described “futurists” also imagine a world of tomorrow paved on the backs of gulags and millions of starved Ukranians?

    1. Gray Ghost

      It should be as offensive and socially unacceptable to use that symbol as it would be to use the Nazi swastika or Totenkopf.

      Make wearing a Che shirt as disgusting to people as walking around with a Himmler shirt would be, if most people cared enough to crack a book and know what the diseased fuck looked like.

  12. F. Stupidity Jr.

    And Mythical Libertarian Woman made us all something…

    Bravo!

    1. Atanarjuat

      Yes, very well done.

  13. Raston Bot

    there’s some good pushback in the comments of that Slate article.

  14. Tundra

    I always get nervous when geniuses want to fix a problem that doesn’t exist.

    I went through two IPOs back in the ’90s. I can’t imagine, in 2017, even considering it. Easier to just sell the fucking company.

  15. Q Continuum

    The Left may be vile but they sure know how to fight and they never, ever give up.

    http://freebeacon.com/issues/california-attorney-general-sues-to-prevent-building-of-trumps-border-wall-projects/

  16. Michael

    I’m starting to believe that this book might make the ultimate gag gift this upcoming holiday season.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-what-happened-review_us_59c16721e4b0186c22066d72

    1. RBS

      Great idea, I am ordering a copy for my FIL.

      1. Michael

        I would wait until it hits the bargain bin. Shouldn’t be more than another week or so.

        1. Brett L

          A little culture for you slobs.

    2. Scruffy Nerfherder

      Secret Santa at work.

  17. Chafed

    But let’s be real: Nobody is putting cash on the barrel to hear about a radical redistribution of social and economic resources. Helping people forge healthier and more rewarding relationships with technology, for example, might be a key question in a futures project. A project might focus on managing the transition away from fossil fuels or designing more sustainable cities. Post-capitalist speculations aren’t verboten; they’re invisible, not even part of the conversation.

    Tenured, I assume, professor wonders why radical redistribution isn’t being discussed. Maybe it has something to do with nearly everyone outside the ivory tower recognizing communism has an absymal track record. Maybe people who are productive don’t like the idea of having what they worked for forcibly taken away. Maybe the lumpen proletariat understand what the professor doesn’t.

    1. Chipwooder

      Someone better arrest that perv! I mean the 15 year old – she’s a child pornographer!

    2. Vhyrus

      “Oh come on, who hasn’t done that?”

      -OMWC

      1. Playa Manhattan

        He doesn’t go for granny porn.

    3. Playa Manhattan

      That’s going to be problematic at sentencing. He’s going to get at least half of the max.

      Standard Libertarian Disclaimer: I hate the guy, but sex offender registries are stupid and evil. He should still be able to walk his own kid to kindergarten without getting arrested for being in violation.

      1. Hyperion

        Agree. But just for fun, give him the option to walk completely free if he turns over all the dirt he has on Hillary and Huma.

    4. Brett L

      Every time she reads his name, I’ll bet Hillary wishes she’d had Weiner killed instead of that DNC staffer

      1. bacon-magic

        She never liked weiner…ask Huma.

    5. Count Potato

      Pics or it didn’t happen?

    6. Scruffy Nerfherder

      Now he’s fucked. There’s nobody to save him now.

      1. Hyperion

        Hilldawg is going to have to try, because when they try to get him to spill all the glorious details he has on Hillary and Huma… well, he may be fucked either way, maybe he’s better off in prison that found dead in some back alley in DC.

  18. Playa Manhattan

    I thought that was the real cover.

    I should have known it was fake due to the lack of tips on how 12-year-olds can have anal sex.

    1. Q Continuum

      Anal sex is so dull and bourgeois; the latest advice are the hot bestiality tips!

      1. Mad Scientist

        Are you trying to get HM links in here? Because this is how you get HM links in here.

  19. The Elite Elite

    So, the new Star Trek show is going to be nonstop social signaling! FIRST ASIAN FEMALE CAPTAIN! FIRST BLACK FEMALE FIRST OFFICER! FIRST OPENLY GAY MAN CHARACTER! All this on top of KLINGONS ARE TRUMP SUPPORTERS! I’m sure we’ll get FIRST TRANSEXUAL ENGINEER! FIRST OTHERKIN DOCTOR!

    1. The Elite Elite

      Oh, also here’s a fun headline from an Independent article. Apparently, the writer never watched DS9. (Linking to archive since the Independent has since corrected the headline)

    2. Q Continuum

      First wheelchair-bound, Nepalese, blind, Downs Syndrome, intersex, situs transversus, objectophiliac science officer.

    3. Vhyrus

      Roddenberry is going to spin in his grave so hard he generates a force field.

      1. Chipwooder

        I’m not a Trekkie type – barely seen any of either the shows or the movies – but wasn’t Roddenberry a major prog?

        1. Vhyrus

          That’s the point. He was. Look at all of the star treks. All of them are gender/race inclusive. Nobody made a big deal about them or had to force it in a non organic way. The fact that they are now after 70 years of this being business as usual is going to fuck the formula up big time. Instead of simply including them and not mentioning it they are going to have a big neon sign in the background screaming “LOOK AT HOW WOKE WE ARE!!!”

          1. Hyperion

            Yeah, but in the original, you had Uhura dude, how can you not like this? And other women in tight short dresses. And Kirk grabbed them all by the pussy!

      2. The Elite Elite

        Yeah, Gene was pushing an agenda in Star Trek, but he did it in a way that didn’t ruin the entertainment. This is just hitting you over the head with a fucking sledgehammer with their politics.

        1. Gray Ghost

          but he did it in a way that didn’t ruin the entertainment.

          I could be remembering the history wrong, but, like George Lucas with the first two SW movies, weren’t a lot of his ‘artistic’ impulses curbed by the studio, and by producers like Fontana, Coon, and Justman?

          1. wdalasio

            And supposedly by his wife. Yup. The most repulsive thing I ever heard about Star Wars was that he did the first two because it let him do the third.

        2. wdalasio

          This is just hitting you over the head with a fucking sledgehammer with their politics.

          What’s the fun in progging if you can’t hit people over the head with a sledgehammer (and sickle, but that’s another story)

          /Antifa

    4. PBRstreetgang

      Michelle Yeoh? Set phasers to stunning.

    5. Sour Kraut

      Regardless, MIchelle Yeoh is a great choice with a long history of kicking all kinds of ass.

      1. one true athena

        She and Jason Isaacs make this a harder decision than it would be without actors I like. I think CBS is showing the first ep so I’ll watch that and then presuming it’s as awful as we suspect it’ll be, just not pay for the rest. I’m not a huge trek fan, so no big loss to me, but still, I wish it was something I was more excited to watch.

    6. Charlie Suet

      It does have Clem Fandango in though, so there’s that.

  20. mexican sharpshooter

    Remember, it is possible to fat shame men over twitter. (TW: ESPN)
    Eddie Lacy opens up about his agonizingly public struggle with weight

    [We] don’t look fat per se, but we sure as hell ain’t skinny. Guys like us don’t garner much sympathy. There’s no backlash when we’re the butt of sitcom jokes. It’s easy to look at us and assume a lack of willpower, a weakness in our character. And in our darker moments, we can’t help but wonder: “Are those people right?”

    Of course they’re right you fat fuck.

    1. Playa Manhattan

      “It’s 75 degrees and beautiful in Renton, Washington. The sky is clear and blue.”
      It’s safe to assume that everything in this story is a lie.

      1. mexican sharpshooter

        Except for the fat part. Eddie Lacy is fat.

    2. Chipwooder

      There’s a right way and a wrong way to be a 260 pound RB.

      Right way: Christian Okoye, Brandon Jacobs
      Wrong way: Eddie Lacy

    3. Q Continuum

      “Millionaire athlete drowning in pussy whines about love handles”

      Eat a salad.

      1. The Elite Elite

        That’s not much of a euphemism.

    4. Gray Ghost

      I was going to cite the “Guys like us” line and saw you already had. My point is, why should guys like them (and me, TBH) care whether they get sympathy or not? Men didn’t used to care. At least not publicly.

      The fat isn’t going to go away if people are sympathetic or not. Hire a private nutritionist and a cook, for crying out loud, and stop bitching that the game has changed from the days of Bettis.

      It depends on when they wrote the story. The Seattle area has absolutely gorgeous weather for about six weeks out of the year. Heart of summer, IIRC, as opposed to coastal CA, where it’s usually September/October.

      1. Private Chipperbot

        He’s received something along the lines of $100k this year for making weight as well.

    5. CPRM

      I always thought the Lacy is too fat thing was stupid. That wasn’t the problem. The problem was he is injury prone, doesn’t have good field vision, is slow and can’t cut. These were all true when he was lighter.

    6. commodious spittoon

      I bought my ex a Lacy jersey awhile back. I wonder whether she wishes I’d gone with Matthews now.

      1. You should have been mean and gotten her a Jeff Janis! jersey.

        1. CPRM

          Sunday night I thought they should have just started sending Janis and Trevor Davis running down the field. Either they outrun the coverage, or at least they move the safties to clear underneath. Can’t hurt when you’re down by that much.

  21. The Late P Brooks

    Remember that thing that was horrible and unthinkable when it was Greg Gianforte’s idea? We should totally do it.

    A statewide sales tax has been anathema to generations of Montanans, but times change and it’s time to talk again about that long-taboo tax.

    Montana’s present revenue shortfall necessitates both short-term and long-term solutions. State revenue hasn’t kept up with the cost of maintaining existing public services for the past couple of years. The bigger challenge appears to be that the revenue gap is projected to grow next year and in future years.

    ———

    Montana is one of five states with no general sales tax, along with Alaska, Delaware, New Hampshire and Oregon.

    While many Montanans are pleased and proud to pay no sales tax, there are drawbacks. Our state tax system is less diverse and more easily unbalanced by fluctuations in natural resource and income tax collections. As Montana’s outdoor economy has grown, that growth isn’t reflected substantially in state (or local tax) revenues. Montana has millions of out-of-state visitors every year who spend lots of money on dining and shopping, but don’t pay tax on most of their purchases (gasoline, lodging and rental cars are the exceptions).

    During the election, the Democrats shrieked to the high heavens about how Gianforte said, ten years ago, that sales taxes might not be the worst idea in the history of ideas. That made him an unelectable monster. Things change.

    1. Remember that thing that was horrible and unthinkable when it was Greg Gianforte’s idea?

      No, I don’t.

    2. kbolino

      I know nothing about Montana, but I can look at the graph of their state revenue and call total bullshit on “State revenue hasn’t kept up with the cost of maintaining existing public services for the past couple of years.”

      The state’s population has grown by 30% since 1990, and CPI has increased by 90% (combined adjustment factor = 147%). The state revenue in 1990 was about $700 million, if adjusted for population growth and inflation, the state revenue in 2017 should be about $1.7 billion. Instead, it is actually over $2.4 billion.

      If you limit the analysis to the “past couple of years” then it doesn’t look any better. The population has grown by 5% and CPI has increased by 12% (combined adjustment factor = 18%). State revenue in 2010 was $1.6 billion and so it should be about $1.9 billion. That’s over $500 million more than they “need” to maintain “existing” public services.

      Like everywhere else, Montana has a spending problem.

      1. kbolino

        Footnote: The state “lost” about $400 million in revenue from 2008 to 2010 due to recession. However, even if you account for that, they’re still coming out slightly “ahead”. Not to mention that revenue growth from 2000 to 2008 was unusually high, and so the effects of the recession could accurately be described as a regression to the long-term trend.

      2. Raven Nation

        Too many Californians moving there to get away from California problems.

    3. invisible finger

      Fuck Montana and their goddamned bimetallism.

      /1850 libertarian

  22. Tundra

    Oh, fuck you, BMW!

    They got rid of the dipstick – now you won’t get a key fob!

    I think that there is some cool tech on new cars, but this seems absolutely retarded to me. I agree with Eric:

    Stepping back a bit, it’s debatable whether apps and fobs are a meaningful improvement over simple keys-in-locks that involve no electronics at all and which can’t be hacked. It’s true that it takes a moment to put a key in a door lock or ignition lock. But you’ll never have to worry about someone downloading your life or hijacking your car from afar. You can run an old-school physical key through a spin-and-rinse cycle without hurting it.

    And if you do lose it, getting a new one cut costs less than $10.

    1. Chipwooder

      So if your phone breaks, or even runs out of battery power, you can’t drive your car? Brilliant.

      1. Enough About Palin

        That happened to Craig Allen (Husker Du) in the Amsterdam airport. His cell went dead and that’s where his boarding Pass was. Travel Tip: Always bring a paper copy too.

    2. Gilmore

      I agree with this. One of the stupidest things people have done with cars is get rid of keys and door handles and replace them with easily-broken/lost alternatives.

      1. invisible finger

        What seems like cool tech to retards is a profit center to dealerships.

    3. Vhyrus

      Honestly I am surprised they haven’t done this earlier. There are some downsides but this makes more sense than carrying a separate fob.

      1. My key is on the fob, like a keychain. Well, there’s a third key that isn’t on either of the fobs.

    4. grrizzly

      And if you do lose it, getting a new one cut costs less than $10.
      Says someone who never owned a BMW.

      1. mexican sharpshooter

        Or replaced a key for nearly any vehicle made after 1995.

        1. DOOMco

          pickups and some SUV’s stayed away from transponders till 2003.
          A subaru WRX in 03 didn’t have one.
          GM started it here with VATS as far as I can remember. Hyundai and Kia didn’t put them in until a few years ago.

          1. Chipwooder

            Oh man, those fucking early GM. Way back when, I had a 1991 Park Avenue that would only start about half the time because of VATS.

          2. commodious spittoon

            You could press tab to slow down time and target body parts?

    5. RBS

      What could possibly go wrong?

    6. Sean

      Fuck that. I don’t have a smart phone and have no interest in getting one. Anyway, it seems like a really bad idea overall.

      1. Vhyrus

        you probably don’t own a BMW either.

        Burn? Checkmate? Not sure which is more appropriate here.

        1. Sean

          I’m an Audi kind of guy.
          2016 A3

          1. DOOMco

            My roommate had the 14, FWD one. he enjoyed it but went to the new GTI.

          2. Vhyrus

            I agree, BMWs are shit. My dad owns one and I think if it was alive he would have murdered it in a fit of white hot rage.

          3. Chipwooder

            We had an X5 as a rental for a couple of weeks earlier this year after my wife’s car was totaled. It was very nice, but I couldn’t believe that a brand new, $50K car didn’t have a backup camera. Fucking Kia Rios routinely have them now.

          4. Not Adahn

            BMWs used to be THE shit. I loved, loved, LOVED the hell out of my Z3, and my old 545. But yeah, the modern ones seem to be expensive without being awesome. I am still driving a 2007 328xi up here in the kinda-sorta-Adirondacks, but I doubt I’ll buy another one based on the modern ones I’ve driven.

    7. DOOMco

      I’ve thought about using some sort of restricted or patented key switch, to prevent picking of the ignition. Medeco or multloc.
      The older cars aren’t too hard, with the exception of old Chrysler or Jeep stuff. They use a side bar instead of wafers, making picking very hard.

      Of course, someone could still just rewire my truck in a few minutes to get around a key.
      What happens if it’s your friends car and he falls and gets hurt or something? I’m supposed to know his password?

      1. Tundra

        I’ve said it a million times: complexity is not your friend. How about a hidden battery cutoff switch?

        1. DOOMco

          I have two. one’s on the battery and the other is hidden where I can reach it from the drivers seat.

          1. Mad Scientist

            A friend of mine has a ’63 Corvette that he wired the starter relay to the cigarette lighter. You have to turn the key while pushing in the lighter or you don’t get diddly.

          2. DOOMco

            That’s really brilliant.

          3. EvilSheldon

            Very slick.

        2. mikey

          Like an Austin Healey! The switch even grounds the distributor. ‘Course the doors don’t lock.

    8. Sean

      I guess I don’t get how this really works.

      You drop your car off for service, you have to leave your phone with the mechanic? WTF?

      1. DOOMco

        no, I’m sure theres some sort of master key that BMW has and I’m sure no one could or would or will copy it or recreate it for their own ends.

        1. Tundra

          My neighbor has had something like 10 BMWs. He’s bitched continually about all the ‘improvements’ on his newest one. I guess he was serious because it is now an Audi!

          1. DOOMco

            I still want a 2002 or e30.

    9. invisible finger

      Some of this shit gets discounts from insurance companies.

    10. Mustang

      So who wants to help me start an artisanal car company? We’ll build cars the old fashioned way, without all this new fangled crap.

      No wait, back off you leeches. It was my idea.

      1. bacon-magic

        We could bring back the old willy jeep diy kit.

      2. thepasswordispassword

        I keep day dreaming about building and selling cheap, light, rwd cars that have seatbelts, mirrors and maybe a driver side airbag. But then I remember the nightmare about emissions and safety testing. Something a teen can afford (with work) and have a bit of independence while learning that driving can be an enjoyable experience.

        1. Tundra

          Impossible. You can build that for yourself, but as soon as you sell one, most of the bullshit rules apply.

      3. mexican sharpshooter
      4. Juan-Baptiste Emmanuel Seguin

        I’ve thought long and hard about this very subject. Unfortunately the list of requirements and regulations on what must be included in a vehicle make this idea unfeasible with one exception.

        Kit cars. Manufacturing technology is becoming far more affordable more quickly than it has in a long time. I think the time is ripe for an explosion in both bespoke and limited run kit cars that are trivial to assemble.

    11. pan fried wylie

      Mopeds are going to lose their stigma once the only cars in existence are driverless, keyless and run Windows13.

  23. Gilmore

    It is no secret that the public stock markets — despite the heights they’ve reached (and the credit that President Trump has taken for them) — are fundamentally broken. No chief executive wants to live in the glare of the public spotlight and deal with pesky investors who hold stocks in time frames of days and months, not years and decades

    This is gibberish.

    Plenty of start-up chief executives (or any manager) wants investors who will hand them piles of money and who also have no interest in long term performance, but rather is just looking for a quick flip. Because that’s what they’re trying to do as well. There are very few Facebooks, and there are lots of Instagrams: ‘apps’ looking to capitalize, develop an overnight user-base, and then flip the company to some larger entity.

    That’s not “broken”, that’s a free-money-machine for innovators. WTF do you think capital markets are for, you pompous shithead? If they wanted a loan, they’d go to the bank.

    The number of companies listed on public stock exchanges is half what it was two decades ago. Last year, fewer companies went public than during the financial crisis.

    2 decades ago was the largest explosion in IPOs in world history. This is a shitty way to do ‘market stats’. How does this compare to the 1960s? the 1980s?

    I’d find the whole conceptual-pitch for the “LTSE” more appealing if your preamble wasn’t so retarded. And we already have an LTSE, called “private equity”. If you don’t want sucker’s money, you don’t need a stock exchange.

    1. Brett L

      LTSE: “How do I sort out the players from the suckers more efficiently?”

      1. Gilmore

        In my mind (i can’t bear to read the rest of ARS’ article) i think their concept of Long-Term Stock Exchange is just a slight-of-hand way of trying to make Private Equity “cheaper” from a cost-of-capital POV. Basically, raise money from people who aren’t expecting any quick ROC, but reduce the ties/conditions/risks that are normally associated with bringing in a investor-partner like that (like giving them a seat on the board, etc)

        1. Brett L

          Who in the world is going to buy a large stake in an asset they have to hold for 1-5 years before they can exert any voice in how it is run? Its like they live in a bizarro world where everyone is just a trader.

          1. Gilmore

            That’s what i’m getting at. Sorkin, in his retardedness, doesn’t seem to have the first clue that asset-classes compete, and they’re called “capital markets” for a reason. If people wanted “slow money”, they could go to the bond markets or to private equity or issue preferred shares or a variety of other alternatives.

          2. wdalasio

            Or we could assume the obvious alternative – the people pushing a LTSE basically want investors’ money but don’t want to be accountable. I mean sure public markets put pressure to perform on a constant basis. And private equity and other “patient capital” inevitably wants a seat at the table. A lot of this complaining sounds an awful lot like “Give me your money and STFU!”.

    2. american socialist

      Have they considered maybe there is less because progressivism naturally results in consolidation and crony capitalism?

      The bigger the gov the more crony and corrupt they become. Big gov loves big biz since it is easier to deal with a few giant firms instead of a number of smaller ones. Regulations are favorable to giants

  24. The Late P Brooks

    People are so terrified of the NSA, they should really be terrified of the IRS. They have unlimited power to destroy your life utterly capriciously.

    The IRS sneers at your puny campus rape kangaroo courts.

  25. The Late P Brooks

    And if you do lose it, getting a new one cut costs less than $10.
    Says someone who never owned a BMW.

    No kidding. Those 3D keys, or whatever they called them, in the ’70s, were fucking expensive. And they had to come from der Faterland.

    1. DOOMco

      those fucking things. They are far cheaper now, luckily.

  26. Mythical Libertarian Woman

    Making that Teen Vogue cover was very cathartic. Thanks for posting it, guys!

    1. Q Continuum

      That thing is great, consider it stolen.

      1. Mythical Libertarian Woman

        Please feel free. If it went viral I would laugh my ass off.

        1. Not Adahn

          Someone should send it to the editors of that magazine so you could then post (and we could laugh at)their C&D letter. I doubt Ken White would be willing to help out a fascist, but there are plenty of other lawyers who would gladly accept a slam-dunk defense as a way to burnish their 1A bona fides.

    2. one true athena

      It’s very well done!

      … and painfully accurate. What a trash heap that mag is.

    3. Gilmore

      I honestly assumed it was the real thing.

      but…. is ta-neheesy’s name spelled right? Even when its spelled right, it doesn’t look right.

      1. jesse.in.mb

        It’s just because you’ve been scribbling it on your binder so much it looks wrong to you.

        1. bacon-magic

          Binders full of Coates? Just what I thought, he hordes the stylish apparel.

          1. pan fried wylie

            a 3-ring for coats must take two people to pop open the rings.

      2. Mythical Libertarian Woman

        I googled it before I put it on so I think it’s right unless I made a transcription mistake. Or unless so many people don’t now how to spell it that when I googled it, it came up wrong.

        1. Gilmore

          I think his real name is probably “Larry Schneider” and he just changed it to fuck with people

      3. blighted_non_millenial

        You have to put it in death metal band name font.

    4. butt-head

      It’s fucking brilliant.

      1. Chafed

        ^This^

    5. Pan Zagloba

      This made my day, despite having to sit in a two hour meeting!

      1. Left Hand of Radar

        Mythical Libertarian Woman: That is awesome! Thanks!

  27. Tundra

    RIP Jake LaMotta.

    One helluva run. My favorite quote from the man:

    “The three toughest fighters I ever fought were Sugar Ray Robinson, Sugar Ray Robinson and Sugar Ray Robinson. I fought Sugar so many times, I’m surprised I’m not diabetic.”

    1. Chipwooder

      “I fought Sugar Ray Robinson six times and won all but five of them.”

      1. Tundra

        At one point I believe he was Robinson’s only loss.

        A really cool era in boxing.

        1. Chipwooder

          My grandfather knew Rocky Graziano a bit when they were young. They grew up on the same block. Grandpa was a few years younger and said that he was the kid in the neighborhood who all the younger boys idolized but who their parents warned them to stay away from.

    2. Pope Jimbo

      I remember a pictorial on his wife Viki in Playboy back in the ’80s.

  28. Pope Jimbo

    Uffda. I had no idea that the World Fair was still a thing.

    It appears that it is, and Minnesoda is willing to buy land for $32M for the site. No way our competitors Buenos Aries or Lodz will be able to compete with that!

    Wait. What? You thought we already had the rights to the World Fair? No, not yet. But you have to be ready for this sort of thing. And it is only $32M of the rubes money.

    1. Can’t they just raise the money with electronic pull-tabs?

      1. Pope Jimbo

        Sure. But we have to pay off the Vikings stadium with those funds first. So those funds should be ready in 4028 or soon thereafter.

    2. Tundra

      Seriously, it may be time to head to SoDak.

      1. Q Continuum

        Alaska, just to be safe.

  29. Q Continuum

    Regardless of how you feel about the merits of polyamorous relationships, this incredibly shoddy “research” is pretty illustrative of everything that’s wrong with social “science”.

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/standard-deviations/201709/sharing-the-love-research-shatters-myths-about-non-monogamy

    1. Rasilio

      In general, the findings seem to suggest that people who are more insecure in their relationships (either more anxious or more avoidant) seem to have more difficulty managing a consensually non-monogamous (CNM) relationship. They are also less likely to be in one. In terms of why that is, we don’t have direct evidence for an explanatory model but I think based on other research, secure folks are more emotionally intelligent and are better at handling complex social emotions. Avoidant and anxious folks tend to have higher amounts of jealousy in their relationships and also more conflicted, which may preclude having more than one successful relationship simultaneously.

      Err obvious answer is obvious.

      They actually needed a study for this bs? Gee, why would someone who is more insecure or avoidant have a harder time with non monogamy? Could it maybe have something to do with the extra people involved create additional paths for their insecurities to play out and more possibilities for conflicts to arise?

      Duh.

      Essentially, we found that people who scored higher in attachment-related anxiety also reported less satisfaction and less commitment to their partner if they were non-monogamous (compared to monogamous counterparts). However, for people who scored low in attachment anxiety, they were equally satisfied/committed regardless of whether they were monogamous or not.

      Same here. It is immediately obvious that someone who was more anxious about their partner leaving them would be made EVEN MORE anxious if their partner were also involved with someone else and if they were involved with someone else they would have more anxiety because now they have to worry about 2 partners leaving them. On the same note it is obvious that someone who is confident and secure with their relationship would not be particularly threatened that their partner would leave them for the other person or that either (any) of their partners would just up and leave them. Absolutely no scientific studies should be needed for this.

      1. Akira

        It seems to me that modern “social science” has two ingredients:

        1) Something that damn near everyone already knows presented as a grand discovery on par with electricity and antibiotics (“study shows that women are often mean to each other!!”)

        2) A total crock of shit dressed up in scientific-sounding language (“study shows that Democrats are more empathetic than Republicans!”)

      2. butt-head

        Aren’t the ‘obvious conclusion is obvious’ studies done intentionally so that they can get/ keep getting funding for future studies? Keep their gravy train trucking. The multitudes of ‘uh, no shit? why why this done in the first place’ studies make a lot more sense when viewed from that angle.

        And we should similarly ignore them. Ideally we should stop funding them, but… you know… stealing money is just too attractive

  30. The Late P Brooks

    Like everywhere else, Montana has a spending problem.

    We’re just trying to be like the grown-up states. Like California.

    1. DOOMco

      Big sky, bigger spending.

    2. kbolino

      It’s just disingenuous from top to bottom. They’ll also point to “rising costs” of infrastructure maintenance, when anybody with half a brain can note that the reason is because contractors spend 90% of their time on complying with stupid rules and last-minute changes rather than doing the work.

    1. Q Continuum

      If I were a Mexican living in Mexico, I think I’d be pretty insulted by the constant insinuations from the Left that my country is Hell on Earth where no one in their right mind would ever want to return to.

      1. american socialist

        Ya. How come everyone wanted to go to Canada if trump won?

      1. This but also this

        1. Tundra

          Nailed it.

        2. MikeS

          This one was my fave. And I think she’d have to be considered trad, too? (I learned new twitter lingo today. Hooray or something)

        3. Vhyrus

          Um, no… bitch is drinking my beer!

          1. No, she’s drinking hers! She brought one for you, too, though!

          2. Vhyrus

            I have two hands, she has two beers. This isn’t rocket science.

          3. Tundra

            You may want to keep one hand free.

            Just sayin’

          4. Vhyrus

            So I have to do THAT, too? My god she’s useless.

    1. Tundra

      Why not both?

    2. Q Continuum

      Off to the re-education camp with her.

    3. The Elite Elite

      We like girls that show off the goods, but you don’t want to marry that kind of girl.

      1. Vhyrus

        Speak for yourself.

        1. The Elite Elite

          Well, don’t blame me when you find out your kids aren’t actually yours.

          1. Vhyrus

            Less to pay for.

          2. Mmm… I wouldn’t say that showing off necessarily means you’re promiscuous.

            The other founders occasionally get deck pictures and the like, but I’m not stepping out on Mr. Riven with anyone. Admittedly, this is anecdotal and not representative of females everywhere.

          3. bacon-magic

            Pics or it didn’t happen.

          4. Maybe one day there’ll be a Riven edition of Thicc Thursday. Maybe.

        2. Rasilio

          yeah I would rather be with someone who has a few hangups about sex and nudity as possible.

          As far as the kids not being mine, who cares, I’ve already raised 2 kids* who weren’t biologically mine and it was worth every minute of it and you can be damn sure we went after the fathers for child support.

          * note: in these cases they were conceived before the relationships started not after but if it was after it wouldn’t change much.

    4. robc

      I think she got it right.

    5. Microaggressor

      Tweet deleted. Can anyone fill me in?

    6. Yusef drives a Kia

      Gone now

    7. Seems whatever she posted got memory holed. When I click it says “Sorry, this page does not exist.”

    8. Grummun

      Twitter has blackholed the link? At least it doesn’t work for me.

    1. Q Continuum

      Evil never sleeps.

      1. Tundra

        She’s a really bad person, but why are there so many ‘service dogs’? Especially on airplanes?

        1. Q Continuum

          Agree that it should be limited to a pretty short list of ailments.

          1. Tundra

            I have zero problem with dogs pretty much anywhere. Restaurants, office, bar even airplanes. Hell, I used to take my GSD to my aunt’s nursing home, the hardware store and my office all the time.

            But she was trained. So many of the service dogs I’ve seen lately just aren’t.

          2. Have they been real service dogs or have they been… therapy dogs?

            Service dogs have a laundry list of requirements as long as my leg, and they have to be certified by a professional who does that sort of thing.

            Therapy dogs… not so much.

          3. MikeS

            It does seem like a sort of cottage industry of “prescribing” therapy animals has popped up.

          4. You bet. Like Hyperbole says below, it’s a nice way to take your pet into a place that wouldn’t normally let you.

            I briefly looked at getting Briz “certified” as a therapy dog. It would’ve taken a doctor’s note and an adorable little dog-vest, but I didn’t want to be one of those people after all…

          5. Spartan Dad

            Ehh, I’m against any government policy that singles out one group of people for special favors backed up by force of the gun. By all means, let anyone who wants to try to get the same special treatment have at it.

            I think it would be stupid for a business not to allow legitimate exceptions for special needs people, but that’s different than the ADA requiring it.

          6. thepasswordispassword

            How many of the no pet policies in a lot of places are a mix of CYA and complying with other “health and safety” regulations. I get the impression that a lot of businesses just don’t care unless the animal causes trouble or there’s a bureaucrat breathing down their neck about dander.

          7. Spartan Dad

            Right, it’s a case of regulation to combat unforeseen consequences of earlier regulation. How long until we regulation introduced to ban therapy animals from businesses (not service animals)?

            So new regulation to counter regulation that countered earlier regulation over bringing a fucking dog in a purse into a store.

        2. RBS

          The short answer is its probably a lot easier on whoever is doing the checking (receptionist, ticket person, etc.) to just accept that the person’s dog is a service dog than it would be to go through the process of attempting to verify it and risk fucking that up too.

        3. End around for people who want to take their pets into no pet zones.

    2. DOOMco

      damn. now i’m sad.

    3. RBS

      I watched it with the sound off, what was that woman’s deal?

      1. I’m not…sure… I listened to the first few seconds and then turned the sound off because it was just incoherent screeching to me.

      2. Sister wasn’t cool with a dog being in “a public restaurant” also the food was ‘nasty’, so she left but made her opinion very this clear on her way out and everyone got on their high horses and the polo game ensued.

        1. I should shouldn’t have said everyone, her male companion and the dog and it’s owner were all like, “Bitches, what ya gonna do? amirite?”

    4. Number.6

      When I read that, I thought they meant the dog had PTSD. Sad!

      1. Oh man, that would’ve been too sad.

    5. Gilmore

      I don’t get it. Also, “Dog with PTSD?”

      1. commodious spittoon

        PTSDog is best dog.

    6. Suthenboy

      I am extremely suspicious of people who don’t like dogs

      1. trshmnstr

        Eh. I’m sure that there are some dogs that I would like, but my experience with (owning) dogs is that they’re 3 year olds who shit in the backyard. I withhold judgment on all dogs, because I’m sure some of the smart and easily trainable breeds would fit me better, but terriers are not that.

      2. Number.6

        I’m not much of a fan, frankly, but I don’t flip out about other people’s dogs.

  31. Tundra

    Theresa May delivers an anti-Trum UN speech.

    To an empty room!

    Everybody hates Trump, right?

    1. kbolino

      Was there an unannounced event in British politics where Labor was taken over by Communists and the exiles started calling themselves Tories?

    2. invisible finger

      Jesus. She’s gonna wind up bending over on Brexit.

  32. The Late P Brooks

    I still want a 2002 or e30.

    2002 with the 2.5 6-cyl and OD 5 speed would be the way to go. And you might want to upgrade the brakes.

    1. DOOMco

      two things every car needs to be good at:
      Stopping and throwing light where you need it.

  33. Q Continuum

    My understanding is that there is a whole lot of case law from the 50s and 60s saying he can’t bar students from his class…

    https://turtleboysports.com/bridgewater-state-professor-says-fuck-any-students-who-voted-for-trump-they-are-kkk-and-are-not-welcomed-in-his-english-class/

    Unless we’re falling back to a Plessy v. Ferguson type interpretation when it comes to conservatives/libertarians.

    1. Tundra

      Yup, he’s teaching a class on “white settler heteropatriarchy.”

      But of course he is.

    2. Chipwooder

      Yeeeeeeah, about that, I’d like to see him try to enforce that policy.

    3. kbolino

      What ever happened to the good old days of applying different grading standards to students you don’t like? These guys are so much less clever than their predecessors.

    4. Vhyrus

      It’s almost worth it to go back to school wearing a MAGA hat and KEK flag as a cape just so I can sue the pants off him and the entire school at the end of the year.

    5. RBS

      He looks like Jared Fogle.

      1. Mad Scientist

        So does OMWC!

    6. invisible finger

      Sounds like Profie is afraid of getting challenged in class.

    7. Stinky Wizzleteats

      Normally I don’t like to see people get axed for their words but this guy needs to be fired. There’s no way he can be trusted to grade fairly.

  34. The Late P Brooks

    Number 6-

    Any headway on the misfire?

    1. MikeS

      uhhhhh…..huh-huh-huh

    2. Number.6

      Not yet.

      I’m gonna drop that sucker into a local garage on Monday. It only misfires (and then not always) above about 3200rpm, and I could end up futzing with this POS for hours myself.

      Given that I don’t even have a spark plug socket in the right size, I don’t think i’m equipped. I could end up spending a whole SIG P229 Stainless Elite’s worth of cash on tools to this thing before I even diagnose the problem, so I’ll send it to the (relative) experts.

      1. Mad Scientist

        Any chance your ABS module has a fault? Some ECUs won’t let the engine rev much above 3 when the car isn’t moving. How does the ECU know the car is moving? It asks the ABS system for the current speed.

        1. Number.6

          Well, the OBD’s throwing a P0302, and only an 0302, but you’re right. Problem is, as was pointed out a couple days ago, could be any number of things.

          I was just driving back from the Park n Ride and floored it and got it up into the mid-4’s without any misfire codes coming on, so it’s intermittent. I was half expecting the car to go into limp mode, but it was fine. Maybe I blew some shit out of the injection valves – who knows.

          Cars now are nearly as big a mystery as women. And *consistently* intolerant of abuse.

          1. CPRM

            My car will misfire at idle when it’s warmed up, but not if AC is turned on. All I can figure is somehow the extra load from the compressor keeps the idle at a little higher rpm, avoiding going slow enough to get out of sync. Been fine for the summer, not sure I want to continue to run the AC all winter and wear it out.

          2. Mad Scientist

            Oh, that’s right. I forgot you were getting an actual code out of the thing.

  35. Tundra

    6, the thread is long dead, but I really enjoyed your theological musings last night. Thanks for taking the time to write it up!

    1. Number.6

      Thanks man, but they were pretty brief.

      1. Q Continuum

        Link?

        1. bacon-magic

          I enjoyed your thoughts on God also Q.

          1. Q Continuum

            Thanx. Glad to have a place where I can barf my pseudophilosophical BS.

          2. Number.6

            Like the man said – yesterday’s musings were from a blue ghost, not a blue lump of playdoh.

          3. Q Continuum

            I wuz confused, wondering if you had written something in response.

          4. bacon-magic

            Tundra thinks all you blue peeps look alike… colorist!

          5. Number.6

            It’s just ‘cos we’re brothers from another mother. And probably father.

          6. Number.6

            Yeah, damn Naavi. And frickin’ smurfs.

          7. bacon-magic

            Avatard ruined the true blues’ reputations.

          8. Tundra

            I SAID I WAS SORRY!

            Here, have a song.

          9. jesse.in.mb

            You guys are in the Blue Zone

          10. Not Adahn

            How can anyone hate the ’80s?

      2. Hyperion

        I encourage to write more like it.

        1. Q Continuum

          Thanks, I’ll work on it.

    2. bacon-magic

      Me too.

    3. Tundra

      Fuck me. Looking at Brook’s comment and typing my own.

      Sorry, Q!

      No titties for me, I guess…

      1. Q Continuum

        No prob Bob. Here are this morning’s tits.

        http://archive.is/wRUjT

        9, 27 and 42 were my victors.

        1. Tundra

          1,6,9, and 37.

          But mostly 9.

  36. Enough About Palin

    And Mythical Libertarian Woman made us all something…

    WTF???

    I was reading City Pages today (Minneapolis’s equivalent of Village Voice) and no less that four out of 15 stories were about alleged racists.

    Gets old.

    1. Hyperion

      That thing is scary. Because it could actually be real. I mean I was surprised when I found out it’s not.

    2. Left Hand of Radar

      Why read the City Pages? If you want to know who’s playing at the Turf Club just go to their website.

  37. Hyperion

    True face of evil

    Thanks, CUNT! You’ve now made me like Trump even more! This has to stop!

    1. Q Continuum

      Statists gonna fellate the state.

    2. invisible finger

      What an idiot. The country wants out of the EU and she’s gonna find that the few things Britain still makes are going to be tariffed mightily by the EU AND the US.

      1. Stinky Wizzleteats

        Feature, not bug.

      1. Hyperion

        This is what happens when you give up your sovereignty to be ruled over by a bunch of unelected globalist bureaucrats. Obama, Hillary, Bernie, and the rest of the leftisit royalty want exactly this for the USA.

        1. Gilmore

          “”globalist “”

          Please stop using this word.

          it means less than “neocon”, and is gayer than “cuck”. The entire ‘nationalist’ / ‘globalist’ dichotomy is nothing but tribal signaling which has literally nothing to do with foreign policy or trade.

          1. Hyperion

            What am I supposed to use when I’m talking about people who want to eliminate border and national sovereignty and replace it all with a global socialist totalitarian regime. I’m open to suggestions.

          2. butt-head

            Eurocrats

    3. Suthenboy

      Stinging? I am just laughing at these assholes
      As my grandfather used to say they are like a cut bull – they can ‘beller and shit but they can’t do anything about it

      1. Suthenboy

        Even funnier was that turd from Venezuela saying that trump sounds like Reagan, he actually thought that is an insult

  38. Pope Jimbo

    Language question (northerners only).

    What do you call the shelters that you drag out on the ice in the winter to fish in? (see why southerners weren’t included?)

    I ask because it turns out that a local hipster infestation is back: The Art Shanty festival.

    Growing up, we always called them fish houses. Or fish shacks (if they were built by me and it didn’t rise to house quality). My suspicion is that easterners call them shanties and the hipsters want to be like them.

    Theories?

    1. bacon-magic

      Next they’ll be making hotdish.

      1. MikeS

        Mmmmm. Tator-tot hotdish. God’s gift to fine dining.

        1. Pope Jimbo

          We may have to visit Uncle Franky’s during your visit to get a Minneapolis Dog

          The Minneapolis Dog is an all-beef hot dog topped with Cheez Whiz, tater tots and ketchup along with hot dish on a toasted bun. According to Ingredient’s blog, the hot dog includes all major Minnesotan food groups.

          1. MikeS

            And there’s one in Plymouth! Yeah, I’m gonna have to try that

    2. Tundra

      Theories?

      Low T?

    3. Q Continuum

      It’s a really obscure reference, you probably haven’t heard of it.

    4. Usually something like an ice shack or shanty. (North-eastern Montana, where we also un-ironically make and happily consume hotdish and [albeit somewhat less happily] funeral potatoes)

    5. MikeS

      It’s called a fucking ice house. Or just an ice house if you aren’t as vulgar as me.

      1. bacon-magic

        Ice house beer is bleh.

        1. MikeS

          But it got 17 year old Mike drunk in a hurry

          1. bacon-magic

            Keystone light was the local drink around STL area.

          2. Q Continuum

            30 ‘stones for 10 bones.

        2. Pope Jimbo

          But for a while it was super cool around here. Of course in the early ’80s Strohs was cool too.

      2. MikeS

        So in Montana it’s ice shanty. go east to NoDak and it’s become an ice house. Keep going east to stump-humper land and it becomes fish house. Weird.

        1. Q Continuum

          I prefer love shack.

          1. +1 Chrysler as big as a whale

          2. Pope Jimbo

            Explains the lingering fish smell….

          3. Q Continuum

            Odor de l’amour.

        2. Pope Jimbo

          I was going to be kind and say that I have heard it called an ice house quite often. But then you make fun of someone because they have trees?

          Well, we called it a fish house because we caught fish. I guess I know why you called it an ice house.

          p.s. Is it true that your mom died from drowning after trying to fry up the catch from you and your dad going ice fishing?

    6. CPRM

      Ice shack or ice fishing shack. I’ve heard ice shanty before, but only on TV or movies.

      My mom had a friend who moved down to Georgia and got married. When my parents when down to visit one time they watched Grumpy Old Men, and one of the southerners asked “What happens to the little houses in the summer, do they build little bridges under them?”

    7. Gilmore

      My suspicion is that easterners call them shanties

      Arrrr, who thar be, bitin’ ar shanties?

    8. KibbledKristen

      Fishing shack, I think?

      1. KibbledKristen

        I couldn’t tell you if that’s MN-speak or VT-speak, though.

    9. jesse.in.mb

      I’ve done some googling and would like to confirm that not only do you have enough water just lying around, but it gets cold enough that enough of it freezes that you can build structures on it?

      The mind boggles.

        1. jesse.in.mb

          I’m just gonna pretend those are 775 tubs backed with blue LED lighting.

        2. Pope Jimbo

          I was really expecting something like this.

          I should note that there seems to be an inverse relationship between the luxury of a guy’s fish house and his seriousness about fishing.

          I know a guy with one of these fish palaces and it is great to go visit every once in a while to drink beer and talk smart, but the fishing is minimal there.

          1. Tundra

            Every serious fisherman I know uses a portable and snowmobile.

          2. Pope Jimbo

            I don’t have a snowmobile, but I do have my Clam popup.

            It is a weird mix of solitariness and camaraderie. You sit there most of the time by yourself fishing, but you also end up having interesting conversations with the other weirdos walking around the ice (mostly because you are tired of talking to yourself.)

      1. MikeS

        Tundra or Jimbo will have to help me..can’t remember where this is; There’s at least one lake in Minnesoda that they set up a fully functional bar on during the winter.

          1. Pope Jimbo

            That is my old stomping grounds! Wasn’t there then. I always fish across the way at Crystal in the spring for big blue gills.

            * How does no one there recognize an eel pout?
            * If they are heating that bar each day, I doubt they need an auger to open the holes up. I think they were just shining the folks from New York.

    10. Hyperion

      In Indiana it’s a shanty or a shack or a house. I’ve heard all 3. Ice fishing is a horrible experience that you should never experience. You sit there freezing your g’damn ballz off while sitting on a plastic bucket holding a little poll with the line down a hole. Until your line gets stuck to the side of the hole and you have to unstick it. No thanks. I can cast and cover 1000 times the area in the same amount of time, catch the same fish, and NOT free my ballz off.

      1. Tundra

        Hyp, it has absolutely nothing to do with fishing.

        1. Tundra

          That said, I never go. I’m in the bar with the wives and girlfriends of the idiots out on the ice.

          1. Pope Jimbo

            Hey!

            ::runs off and shows Tundra’s pic to wife::

            OK, she doesn’t recognize you.

        2. Hyperion

          No, it does have something to do with fishing, I went with my father many times. I never once saw Sophia Loren or Ann Margaret. I saw some crotchety old men, all pissed off because they aren’t catching more 3″ long pan fish.

          1. pan fried wylie

            Get a load-a Mr. Big Swingin Wok over here.

      2. Pope Jimbo

        I love ice fishing myself. You should read this story by one of my all time favorites, Patrick F. McManus to understand the attraction.

        Show me a man who fishes in winter, and I’ll show you a fanatic. Actually, I’ll get the better of the deal, because for sheer spectacle a fanatic doesn’t hold a candle to a man who fishes in winter.

        I have often thought that if you could capture a half-dozen winter fishermen and put them in a circus sideshow you could make a fortune on them: “Step right this way ladies and gentlemen – no children please, we don’t want to warp any young minds – and see the men who actually fish during winter! They are amazing, they are absolutely astounding! Their skin is blue, their hair is blue, ladies and gentlemen, even their language is blue!”

        1. Hyperion

          My old man would go out the first time there was enough ice on the water to hold up a pigeon. And he’d still be going out there when there was a -30 wind chill, no ice shanty and without a fucking shirt, all day. Fuck.that.shit.

    11. The Last American Hero

      They were called Ice Shacks or Ice Shanty’s where I grew up.

  39. Pope Jimbo

    MikeS when you visit we should hash out this dispute between our fine states.

    Utility company is going to spend millions to split operations for Minnesoda and NoDak because the two states have very different regulations.

    At the core of the disagreements between Minnesota and North Dakota are the choice of fuels used to power the states.

    Minnesota law requires Xcel to get nearly a third of the electricity sold in the state from renewable resources, with specific carve outs for wind energy and utility-scale and community solar projects. And by statute, the PUC must consider the cost of power plant emissions — criteria pollutants and greenhouse gases — when evaluating utility plans to build or retire power plants.

    1. Pope Jimbo

      From the same article:

      One example is Xcel’s Aurora, a 100-megawatt solar project scattered across more than 20 sites in Minnesota (Climatewire, June 1, 2015).

      In 2016, North Dakota regulators denied cost recovery for the $250 million project that would help the utility meet a Minnesota solar mandate, saying it wasn’t a least-cost resource for serving North Dakota customers.

      Xcel turned to the Minnesota PUC seeking to plug the cost gap and recover costs disallowed in North Dakota. But the company was denied again.

      The Minnesota commission said in its order that the Aurora project was approved on the basis that it was cost effective in the context of Xcel’s entire Northern States Power system, which covers parts of five states.

      “It is simply not just or reasonable for Xcel’s Minnesota ratepayers to subsidize North Dakota ratepayers’ consumption of solar energy,” the PUC said in its order.

      Uffda. That is some balls for Minnesoda to demand that the utility get a big part of their power from solar, then pull back the subsidies because our neighbors should kick in their share for some reason.

      1. MikeS

        Busy trying to get my ass out the door at work, so just skimmed it. Is this the kerfuffle where Xcel (because of Minnesaoda laws) is telling NoDak how much (or little) of our electricity can come from our abundant coal mines?

        1. Pope Jimbo

          Sort of. Minnesoda mandates that so much power has to come from solar. Then expects all the states served by Xcel to help subsidize the solar projects.

          You NoDaks aren’t going along with the program and aren’t paying your subsidies so Xcel wants to have a separate entity to sell you cheap juice from your coal and not mess with the mandates anymore.

          1. EvilSheldon

            At what point does Xcel just shut down it’s MN operations as a bad investment?

          2. Pope Jimbo

            I’m sure if they could pull a Bob Irsay and move all their plants to NoDak in the middle of the night, the answer to your question would be “yesterday”.

          3. MikeS

            Yeah, at this point I bet they are wishing like hell that the HQ was in Fargo and not Minneapolis

  40. Rasilio

    –“I always get nervous when geniuses want to fix a problem that doesn’t exist. RAISING CAPITAL IS SUPPOSED TO BE PAINFUL, YOU MORONS!”–

    I don’t know that I would be so quick to say there isn’t a problem here. After reading the article (I know, who does that) it seems like the issue is not that it is too difficult but that the process is actually damaging to the company requiring you to make poor choices in order to meet investor expectations and government regulations.

    1. Gilmore

      requiring you to make poor choices in order to meet investor expectations

      Actually, the real story isn’t “investors”, its keeping their overpaid employees in one place. Everyone who works at a pre-IPO company expects to be a millionaire, and that expectation is making it impossible for these guys to actually manage a long-term growth company. Its not the markets (as in capital) – its the market (as in tech) which is the problem. Its the industry standards which have created expectations of overnight bazillionaires.

      1. Rasilio

        Well it ain’t helped by the idea that the absolutely have no choice but to be in the single most expensive place on the planet to live.

        To this day I cannot understand why tech companies have not started having an exodus from places like Silicon Valley for other locations with far lower costs of living.

        The entire point about modern IT is that the developers can be located ANYWHERE so yeah leave the sales and marketing guys in the major cities move the trolls slaving away in the code mines out to some wharehouse in the middle of Boisie.

        The standard argument here is that you could never convince them to move there, pay 75% of San Fran salaries in Boisie and you’ll have them lined up around the block to relocate, it also helps that you will have a better local tax regiem and won’t be paying $1000/sq ft for office space.

        1. Pope Jimbo

          I’ve always thought that Duluth would be a perfect place for a start up. The north shore and the BWCA should be enough to entice the granola outdoorsy types. There are several colleges in town. It is only an easy hour and a half to Mpls if you need major league sports.

          The local government is also desperate enough to roll out the welcome mat for anyone who even hints at hiring people.

        2. trshmnstr

          The standard argument here is that you could never convince them to move there

          Which makes the arguer an idiot. There is plenty of engineering talent coming out of schools not named MIT or Stanford. The reality is that SV is a happy little bubble where people think the only other places of consequence in the US are Maui, LA, NYC, and some small midwestern town called Chicago. They project their own utter inability to comprehend flyover country on all engineers, and thus stick to their one little haven.

        3. Gilmore

          I cannot understand why tech companies have not started having an exodus from places like Silicon Valley

          actually, last i’d heard was that they were

          that most of the newer generation of start ups are not “unicorns” (e.g. billion+ pre IPO firms), but were rather in the middle market (b2b), small scale manufacturing, specialty tech hardware development, etc., and that they’re mostly popping up around smaller cities in the US rather than the valley

          1. Rasilio

            I’m not just talking about the startups.

            And yeah I know they are starting to make some small moves to shift the work to lower cost of living cities but in general they seem to prefer those cities to be in India over Indiana.

            A company like Apple could probably save half a billion a year if they moved 90% of the tech work out of the valley and scattered it around the US

          2. Gilmore

            Apple could probably save half a billion a year if they moved 90% of the tech work out of the valley

            i think you’re probably lowballing it

          3. Pan Zagloba

            Yeah, that would fly great with employees.

            “Bad news is, you get a 25% paycut. Good news, you get to experience way-below-freezing temperatures for 8 months!”

  41. Rufus the Monocled

    You should get nervous. The geniuses and experts usually fuck things up further.

    So. Get this. I’ve been in business six years now with a solid track record of proven revenues and growing profits each year. Nothing that can get me a Ferrari or anything (despite what illiterate progs think) but it’s growing. My mother has substantial money in a bank and when they learned of my expansion plans they said to go see them because ‘we have assets’ there. This is how they lure you. In good faith I give them what they request and guess what? Two weeks later they want a business plan. A fucken business plan for a simple loan for an expansion! I told them they’re out of their minds if they think I’m going to waste my time putting together a bull shit business plan ESPECIALLY after THEY told me how much they LOVE daycare business. I learned the hard way once banks start doing this they’re the ones that fuck up your plans and what’s in the business plan because they keep asking for more information. Apparently six years of financials isn’t enough for them.

    I told the guy here, you’re getting my estimates because it’s not rocket science and it’s straight forward math. If I get a whiff that you’re dicking me around I’m out because it’s a time sensitive issue. Once I get my permit I need to start renovations ASAP to be open by January or February 2018.

    I’ll be damned if some cocksuckers in the credit department get hung up on a fucken business plan.

    Problem is, all banks act this way and I may just have to borrow off the family to save time.

    It’s retarded how they treat small business.

    1. Q Continuum

      I think you mean: “It’s retarded how (((they))) treat small business”.

      1. Rufus the Monocled

        Isn’t that obvious?

        /rubs hands like an unscrupulous Jew.

    2. invisible finger

      “Why would I want to show a potential competitor my business plan?”

    3. Spartan Dad

      Have you looked at a local credit union (assuming such things exist in Canada)?

      I couldn’t get a mortgage at any bank because our property was deemed “unconventional” by virtue of having more than 10 acres. No bank would touch it. The USDA wouldn’t even give us farm loan because it was over 10 acres.

      Local credit union told us it wouldn’t be a problem at all. They keep their portfolio in house so create their own rules. I remember talking to the loan officer and her saying, okay, assuming your income verifies, we’ll give you the loan. I asked: That’s great, but don’t you have to send this to your underwriting department?”

      She said, “I am the underwriting department.”

      Anyway, maybe a local place wouldn’t require a business plan based on your situation.

      1. CPRM

        Agreed, credit unions seem to have easier to abide by rules for qualifying for loans.

        1. Spartan Dad

          The one hiccup was we ran into ‘the chicken or the egg’ type situation. In order to join the credit union, you either had to work or live in the area. My wife had not started her new job yet and we were moving in from out of town. I figured a mortgage for a home in the area would qualify us to join…. but that was incorrect.

          In their decades of operation, the union had apparently never run into the situation before where someone out of town wanted to join to buy a home in-town to coincide with the start of a new job. They had to reluctantly make a special exception for us by using my wife’s job offer letter. The mortgage still wouldn’t qualify us geographically. It was bizarre.

          1. Rufus the Monocled

            Either way, her response about underwriting was awesome. That’s how it used to be.

      2. Rufus the Monocled

        We do have that and had an even worse experience with them. Wasn’t impressed.

  42. KibbledKristen

    Kudos MLW! That cover is high-larious!

    So I got this notice in the mail that my car had been scanned by some roadside emissions thingie, and now I don’t have to get a separate emissions inspection when my plates come up for renewal. Not sure how I feel about that. One the one hand, did I fucking ask you to scan me? On the other hand, YAY for no separate emissions inspection! But I still have to get the infernal “safety” inspection.

    1. invisible finger

      What state is this?

      1. KibbledKristen

        Virginny

    2. thepasswordispassword

      The Colorado ones are special trucks parked on a few on-ramps and hard to miss (though you won’t see them until after the point of no return). Have to balance the urge to buzz them with the desire to not get tested. No safety inspection either so if you pass it’s just pay by mail or web and they mail you your new tags. At least it’s not a fleet cop cars idling scanning every license plate they can see on patrol and building a time-place data map.

      1. DOOMco

        I’m exempt unless someone calls the DMV and says I’m blowing smoke.

        I found out recently we have speed trap trucks here too.

      2. KibbledKristen

        I recall seeing these boxes on the onramp I use to commute, but I thought it was an environmental study, because the interchange had been majorly reconfigured not too long ago. Thought they wanted to see what emissions were doing since the change.

        1. invisible finger

          Sounds like the OBD is readable via RF. Did not know that.

          1. EvilSheldon

            Or there’s a license plate camera in the box.

      3. Mad Scientist

        I’ve always wanted to burn down the guy sitting on Wadsworth on-ramp to 36 northbound. At the very least, someone should run over a skunk right there and make his life miserable.

    1. RBS

      STOP THE HAMMERING!!!!!!

    2. Vhyrus

      A few things:

      These people obviously think they are extremely important and irreplaceable. Where they get that idea is beyond me.

      I hope his staff are paid very well cause I cannot imagine working for someone like that.

      Somebody obviously thought his behavior was worth exposing. Act like an ass, get treated like an ass.

    3. Vhyrus

      Also, I love that he cares so much about this Sgt. Perez individual that he royally fucks up the pronunciation of his name multiple times.

    4. mexican sharpshooter

      Fucking Labor Day rundown!?

  43. ArchieBunker

    My wife just got this thing called a Crickett that can print out stickers and such. Anyway, im volunteering her time and material to make a few for the operators of this site to hand out for contests, pledge drive, or just to put on your progressive neighbors car. Let me know if interested

    1. RBS

      “Fuck You, Cut Spending”
      “At Least We Still Have Lou Reed”
      “Would”
      “I Give Free Rides…Like Winston’s Mom”

      1. Pope Jimbo

        “Fuck off slaver!”

        1. trshmnstr

          “You know who else?”

    2. KibbledKristen

      “Monocles Don’t Polish Themselves. Orphans Do.”

      1. commodious spittoon

        Orphans better not be polishing themselves on my time.

        Also, “These euphemisms…”

    3. ArchieBunker

      I was picturing the glib logo and name but i think im in love with “fuck you, cut spending”

  44. The Late P Brooks

    I keep day dreaming about building and selling cheap, light, rwd cars that have seatbelts, mirrors and maybe a driver side airbag.

    They’re called “caterhams” now.

    *formerly Lotus 7

    1. Tundra

      Would.

    2. DOOMco

      so great.

    3. Gray Ghost

      Ariel’s Atom probably works too.

      It’s crazy, seeing an older sports car, like a ’65 Mustang, next to the modern version. The older car is probably 2/3 the weight, and looks it.

      1. Mustang

        They’re actually not that much lighter, at least for muscle cars. Only a couple hundred pounds (which is a lot for a track rat like me). When people complain about the bloat in cars it’s not too bad of a trade-off compared to how much better they perform.

        This varied wildly of course. The newish Z28s are nearly 4000 pounds and they had a bunch of stuff done to make them lighter, but on the whole the basic and V8 models of muscle cars haven’t gained as much weight as people think. Challengers and Chargers have always been gigantic fucking pigs by comparison.

        Imports on the other hand…

    4. Number.6

      From *literally* around the corner from where I lived when I was in the UK,

    5. Fuck that. I wish someone would build a brand-new edition of my ’74 Bronco. Steel and vinyl interior, manual transmission, shift lever for the transfer case, manual hubs, manual door locks and windows, V-8 engine. Damn thing would go up and down trees. I could come home after a long week in bad weather after elk or deer and take the old Green Machine to the car wash and just hose out the interior.

      Although I did that once after using it to haul a bunch of mule deer quarters home. I had a couple of people staring at me until I realized I was hosing a bunch of deer blood out of the back of the truck.

      Make a truck like that, no frills, just thrills, and sell them for under twenty K – I bet you couldn’t build them fast enough.

      1. DOOMco

        agreed. a new 4runner with the removable top would do too. hose out the back, take it anywhere.

      2. Tundra

        You can get it.

        But it ain’t $20K.

        1. blighted_non_millenial

          Admittedly, purposefully not $20k, but…

          Hell no it’s not.

        2. DOOMco

          I think my build will be less than that…

  45. butt-head

    Just saw Urthona’s post in the morning links, and I want to say that I’d be really interested in a full-length post from them on the subject, if they have the time (/ more to say). It’s a pretty amazing post.

    1. I’m with invisible finger, in that I learned from my older siblings’ textbooks (although I was apparently already reading at 2-1/2). I read the World Book Encyclopedia and have a good memory, so that helped me in school too.

      I also read the trashy “airport” paperbacks my parents picked up, such as this. It included a scene in which a would-be CIA agent takes a lie detector test and is asked if he masturbates. Thankfully I was shy enough that I didn’t ask my parents what that word meant. (And of course, the answer is that every man masturbates.)

      1. I should add that they weren’t trying to torture me.

  46. butt-head

    Also, I made Tulip’s bread recipe that was given to Jesse, and it turned out beautifully. Turned out more biscuity than French bread-y, though. I noticed that butter was mentioned in the process instructions but not in the ingredients, so I just shrugged and threw in 6 T of butter—maybe that explains the biscuity quality.

    Just made some grilled cheese with it. Yum.

    Anyway, gracias Tulip y Jesse

    1. jesse.in.mb

      threw in 6 T of butter

      Damn, Gina, I put in ~2T

      1. butt-head

        Heh.

        Oh well. Can’t have too much butter!

        1. RBS

          Look at Paula Deen over here.

          1. butt-head

            *virtue signals away the ~problematic~ comparison*

    2. Tulip

      Shit. It’s 1 1/2 T of butter. Add with the milk.

      1. butt-head

        Whoa. My bad x)

  47. Pan Zagloba

    Brendan O’Neill is gonna come out as alt-right by next year if he keeps this up.

    Parsons Green: silence in the face of terror

    But there is much to talk about. And have strong feelings about. And get angry about. If it’s true a refugee planted the failed bomb at Parsons Green, then that raises very serious questions about the recent influx of refugees to Europe and about our societies’ failure to assimilate them; it raises questions about the the failure of multiculturalism. That this was the fourth seemingly Islamist attack in Britain this year raises huge questions about this ideology and what we might do to defeat it. That the powers-that-be do not trust us to have an open, frank debate about these mass murders of our fellow citizens raises big questions about democracy and freedom of speech. We should not fear terrorism but we should confront it, really, freely and honestly. Right now, one gets the impression that officialdom and the media elite fear us and our ideas and feelings more than they do terrorists.

    1. butt-head

      I’m sure his fellow tolerant leftists will label him alt-right—or whatever scornful pejorative is necessary—without him needing to do anything himself.

    2. Gilmore

      good piece. he helps illustrate his disgust by using Oasis lyrics. clever

      1. Number.6

        Hate Crime then.

        1. Pan Zagloba

          As he points out, it’s an escalation after Imagine starts to lose potency.

    3. Suthenboy

      I still can’t figure out how they thought things would turn out any differently
      Another saying from my youth let pigs in your house and pretty soon you are going to be stomping around in pig shit

  48. commodious spittoon

    The dummies at the end of the bar who’ve spent the past hour complaining about their failed careers as musicians and their meth-head girlfriends are vocally reveling in the fact that Paul Manafort was wiretapped, because “Seriously, fuck that motherfucker.”

    1. DOOMco

      What a great group of people.

    2. Gilmore

      just for fun, ask them, “By the way, who is paul manafort, and what’s his background?”

      1. butt-head

        Ain’t I jus’ sed? He’s a motherfucker who should get fucked

    3. butt-head

      Obviously, the state should cull income from other people to give to them, you know, for the sake of art.

      Maybe they should refrain from pissing their income away at the bar and go make some music in their free time? Nah. What’s the point if you’re not getting paid (other people’s money) for it?

    4. kbolino

      Apparently the only problem with COINTELPRO is that it was directed at the wrong people.

    5. Principals, not principles.

  49. F. Stupidity Jr.

    Cover your important parts: ‘He Can’t Hear You!’: Deaf Man Killed by OKC Police as Neighbors Scream

    A neighbor, Jolie Guebara, later told The Associated Press that Sanchez often carried the pipe to fend off stray dogs when he went for walks at night.

    The lieutenant perceived the pipe as a weapon and called for backup. Sgt. Chris Barnes arrived.

    “When the other unit arrived, verbal commands were being given to this individual to drop the weapon and get on the ground,” Mathews said.

    Instead of doing that, Sanchez kept moving toward officers, Mathews said. Lindsey and Barnes ordered him to “drop the weapon and get on the ground.”

    That’s when witnesses started yelling “he can’t hear you,” according to Mathews.

    “The witnesses were yelling that this person, Mr. Sanchez, was deaf, and could not hear,” he said. “The officers did not know this as the time.”

    Pick one:
    A) “He must have been doing SOMETHING wrong.”
    B) “Oh, that poor man…I wish things like this wouldn’t happen, but what can you do?”
    C) “And how many police interactions happen where no one gets so much as a scratch, huh? Did you even think about how rare this is?”
    D) “Maybe those people were saying that so the cops would let their guard down!”
    E) “Please. If you were that cop, you’d have shot that guy too.”

    1. commodious spittoon

      But was he some campus LGBTQ coordinator? Apparently that gives you license to do whatever you like, including brandishing a knife and advancing on officers who are pleading with you to drop it, and you’ll have ready apologists who want to string up the responding officers.

    2. trshmnstr

      E

    3. butt-head

      Sorry, but when a cop tells you to do something, you do it. Otherwise, you get what you deserve. Honest mistake, procedures were followed.

      1. If a cop told you to jump off a bridge, would you do it?

        1. butt-head

          Yes, otherwise he might kill me (justifiably, of course).

  50. kbolino

    I saw mention of the Chartists and in looking up more information about them, I see that among their demands were:

    4. Payment of Members, enabling tradesmen, working men, or other persons of modest means to leave or interrupt their livelihood to attend to the interests of the nation.
    5. Equal constituencies, securing the same amount of representation for the same number of electors, instead of allowing less populous constituencies to have as much or more weight than larger ones.

    Their goal was to reduce political corruption. Maybe this made some kind of sense in the context of the extant British aristocracy of the 19th century, but looking at these demands in the modern day, it seems to me they reinforce rather than reduce political corruption.

    1. kbolino

      Members meaning Members of Parliament (that was contextually obvious but since I omitted bullet 3, it lost the context).

    2. Pan Zagloba

      Yes, both reduced corruption.

      #4 ensured that people who weren’t aristocrats, or in their pocket, could stand for Parliament without becoming bankrupt
      #5 wanted to remove rotten boroughs so deliciously depicted in Blackadder

      #5 was not fully implemented, but they got rid of the worst abuses.

      1. Number.6

        The primary demands of the Chartists, however, were never acceded to, although they were pretty much all in place by the time the Reform Act of 1858 was passed.

        The crushing of the Chartists was brutal and uncompromising; from the lowest bodger, right up to undergraduates at colleges (who by definition, would have come from politically-connected and prominent individuals).

      2. kbolino

        In the U.S. in the present day, I see it as:

        4 – Being a politician can now be a full-time job, which means you don’t have to earn a living, which divorces you from the concerns of working people
        5 – Neuters bicameralism and enhances the power of gerrymandering

        1. Pan Zagloba

          Huh?

          I can maybe squint at 4, only it ends up as “either be rich before becoming politician, or make money through bribes.” At best, have your party pay your salary, giving them total control over your vote.

          5 is literally made to remove gerrymandering. It strictly talks about what in US terms would be HoR and demands broadly equal number of votes for each representative, not specially carved out ridings with stacked electorate. You can still have a second chamber, which in UK was House of Lords, and in US Senate, which appoints/selects its members in a different way.

          1. kbolino

            Bear in mind that I don’t have the historical context of 19th century Britain and am approaching this as a 21st century American.

            Legislation was not meant to be a full-time job. You shouldn’t need to get paid by the state to be a legislator, since you’re not supposed to be spending all your time doing it. Contrariwise, if you are getting paid by the state to be a legislator, then the only reason for you and your fellow legislators to stop legislating is so you can have a vacation, for which you will continue to be paid by the state. The idea of a legislature only meeting e.g. one month out of the year, because people have to go home and work, is almost entirely absent (Texas still has some vestige of this). We have politicians whose jobs are to be politicians, not farmers, laborers, technicians, engineers, etc. Oh, there are a lot of lawyers among them, so there’s that.

            I see your point on 5 as applied to one house of the legislature and not both. But, it specifically calls out “allowing less populous constituencies to have as much or more weight than larger ones” and thus would, if read literally and out of context, impugn the U.S. Senate as designed. Such an idea, taken to its logical extreme, has already been applied against the U.S. states in their own legislatures. Nowadays every state (except Nebraska which is unicameral) has two houses both chosen by population and whose representatives get to redraw their own districts periodically.

          2. kbolino

            All this having been said, there are other ways to address the concerns I’m raising than entirely dispensing with the bullets I highlighted, such as:

            – Limits on the length of legislative sessions, like Texas has, and on legislative pay esp. when the legislature is out of session;

            – Allowing one house of the legislature to have fixed districts, while also imposing stronger controls on how the house that is popularly apportioned gets its districts drawn besides the equal population and contiguity rules (which are necessary but not sufficient)

          3. kbolino

            Unintentional omission:

            – Federalism and devolution, i.e. pushing legislative questions down to the lowest level

          4. Number.6

            Well, the point was that realistically, you had to be a landowner with sufficient wealth to be able to live the life of a gentleman, while in London, which effectively meant that you needed to be wealthy enough to maintain at least two residences. If you had wealth, and enough family members or assignees, you could purchase a rotten borough’s seat, and bribe the 5 or 6 voters in the borough to vote for you in perpetuity. A moderately powerful magnate could therefore command significant blocks of votes in the house, which were bought and sold quite openly, although outright exchange of cash was considered a little improper.

            The upside is that it kept all those traitorous commoner scum out of the House.

          5. Pan Zagloba

            Ah yes, if you worry about Senate, it didn’t apply to the UK, as there were no state-equivalents (yes, yes, sit down, Scotland, you don’t get to call the shots without sending people to London first). Their complaint was about people getting elected with literally less than 10 votes. Wiki article has some fun numbers.

            We have politicians whose jobs are to be politicians, not farmers, laborers, technicians, engineers, etc. Oh, there are a lot of lawyers among them, so there’s that.

            Always true. What was Caesar’s or Marius’ job? Or Lincoln’s, Jackson’s or Teddy Roosevelt’s once they got into politics? Specialization applies to politics as well as to anything else, and you’ll always have career politicians running things one way or another. Shit, I bet $500 that, if pushed, party bosses would cream their pants over the idea of unpaid legislators.
            Also, remember that in UK Parliament not meeting was a thorny issue, ever since the institution was established. Having MPs available to vote on short notice was preferable to letting the King and/or PM just go handle it as they see fit.

          6. kbolino

            Legislators don’t have to be unpaid just because they’re not paid by the state. Even if they are full-time, they can be paid by their constituents, either directly or indirectly. You cast a vote for the guy/gal, what is sending $5 to him/her so he/she gets paid? (Bear in mind, American Congressional districts have about 700,000 people in them; even at 10% turnout with 50% of the vote, that’s $175,000)

    1. Vhyrus

      Why did it take 7 years to get that fixed?

      1. Number.6

        The doctor was busy clearing his backlog.

  51. Pan Zagloba

    A little geek history — the first web-apps.

    OK, took a while to get to it but this is great stuff.

  52. Hyperion

    Hey, Limeyville and Aussieland, we’re fucking Modesto!, and you can’t beat us, we’re going to out statist you weenies!

    5 year old terrorist

      1. butt-head

        Thank God no one was on the other team (Jack Bauer?) yelling “USA! USA!” at him. Imagine the fear and panic.

      2. RBS

        “Michael Krawczyk · Master Planner/Scheduler at Northrop Grumman
        Considering ISIS is using children to be suicide bombers it is not farfetched as it may seem. A days suspension is hardly punishment. That day should be used to perfrom chores for Mom and no play. However, once it was determined to be a prank the “Terrorist Threat” designation should be removed and should not follow the child. Instead the child needs to learn the seriousness of the situation and the rest of the students should learn too.”

        1. butt-head

          People like this think they’re very enlightened and methodical.

          Vomit.

        2. Hyperion

          You have to profile, RBS. If it was a real potential threat the kid would have had a towel on this head, a 3ft long gray beard, and would have yelled something in Arabic. He wouldn’t have said ‘I’ve got a bomb in here, haha’.

        3. Scruffy Nerfherder

          LOL

          I used to work with guys like that. They’re attracted to ERP planning for some reason (and QA)

        4. kbolino

          Master Planner/Scheduler at Northrop Grumman

          I bet this guy’s never delivered a project on time or under budget in his life.

      3. Mythical Libertarian Woman

        Hyperion, you live in Modesto? I’m sorry. I escaped from Stockton about 5 years ago.

        1. butt-head

          That’s funny. Don’t you live in Portland? I took a similar path, NorCal to Portland area. I’m not sure it’s much better. (The weather certainly isn’t.)

          1. Mythical Libertarian Woman

            I’m in Salem, close enough to get to the city quickly but slightly less derpy (especially if you stay away from the downtown area, which I do). I actually like the rain, so I’ve been happy this week. When it’s hot like it was last month I want to die. I left Stockton for a reason.

        2. Hyperion

          Nope. But only about 3000 miles away. Last time I lived in Cali, was in Simi Valley.

          1. Mythical Libertarian Woman

            I had a roommate from Simi Valley. She was insufferable. So I’m sorry anyway haha.

          2. Hyperion

            I loved it there. I was just a kid, but it’s beautiful. From what I’ve head recently about it, it’s maybe the most conservative town in CA, so there’s no progs. But people ask me if my parents were cops every time I mention living there. I don’t remember a lot of cops. I remember the fantastic enchiladas the Mexicans sold on the street corners in my neighborhood, and the great weather. I was pissed when my parents moved back east.

  53. Ken Shultz

    “Hackers Roamed for 4 Months in Equifax Systems, Undetected”

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/hackers-entered-equifax-systems-in-march-1505943617

    im in ur server raping ur customers.

    1. Hyperion

      I first read that as Halifax, heh.

    2. Vhyrus

      STEVE SMITH MAKE GOOD USE OF DEVRY NIGHT CLASSES

  54. Number.6

    OT, News You’ll Never Use

    Number of Radio Shack Retail Stores in Connecticut = 0

    1. Roger Wilco

      Easier to just order it from Pasternack anyway

      1. Number.6

        True, but sometimes it was just fun to roam around in their component drawers and see what kinds of sensors they had.

        1. Roger Wilco

          Yeah, agree. But, I never bought anything, which doesn’t help a brick and mortar make rent

    2. Hyperion

      Rat Shed? WHO doesn’t want to pay $32 for a computer power cord?

      1. Number.6

        Everyone but the US Government, of course!

        I just needed a 3.5mm stereo inline female connector.

      2. Number.6

        Playing Far Cry 4 when your left and right channels are crossed over (don’t ask) is OK until there’s a pack of wild dogs shadowing you. Then shit’s goin’ down.

        1. Hyperion

          Yeah, that’s not good when you’re playing an FPS.

  55. Soooo, I’m really irritated that I can’t check this site from work and I just hit the morning links 8 hours late – missing the best times to reply.

    Anyhoo – a couple thoughts from today.

    1. Has anyone else caught the memes going around about how the new star trek is the first one with a black lead – as in – Sisko and DS9 is down the memory hole less than 20 years later?

    2. I guess it makes me a horrible bastard, but I look at the news and see “death toll from Mexico earthquake may surpass 200” and think – ‘that’s not too bad….20+ years ago it would have been 20,000.’ Anyone remember the Guatemala earthquake/mudslides in the 80s? I recall a National Geographic story at the time that was really chilling.

    3. Next vid will be up at 6 AM tomorrow – not much time to tweak stuff yet, but I was able to figure out how to enable a limited stereo mic on my phone. Underseen French/Japanese action flick from 1995 – streaming for free on amazon prime (link on my vid).

    1. Rhywun

      I like!

  56. Gilmore

    So, I’ve been watching Ken Burns’ Vietnam show the last couple of days.

    I’d say its 30% something to do with vietnam, 30% bob dylan/pete seeger songs w/ photomontages, and 40% “traumatized family members telling stories about the moment they learned X had died”

    it really doesn’t do fuck-all in terms of adding any sort of real historical perspective, or analysis of why x happened vs. why, or why certain decisions were made, or (as burns claimed to Nick) offering much at all in the way of the perspective from the North Vietnamese side. Oh, they get the occasional quote from some VC vet on what it was like building the ho chi minh trail, or some NV footsoldier talking about their impression of American intent, but its really pretty shallow, and nothing at all like the “Fuel Rods of discourse” he blathered about. Its mostly canned historical detail, plus soppy tearjerker.

    1. It’s the fucking boomers getting to relive their glory days.

      Fuckers can’t be pensioned off and leave the cultural stage fast enough.

  57. Hilarious article at politico today/yesterday.

    The MSM is so insanely entitled it’s not even funny. Used to be reporters had balls to ask the hard questions, pay their own way (or expense account), etc. Not begging for scraps from the Pentagon.

    Side note – I wouldn’t link directly to it, but I read it in a media feed roundup at work – there was an interesting article in Rolling Stone from a guy embedded with some of the Kurdish SDF early in the battle of Raqqa back in June. Decent coverage of a few things, but really, kinda stupidly naive on some things even though the author reportedly (in his words) served in Iraq (no details).

    1. RS article just came out this week – he was embedded in June.

    2. Gilmore

      fyi your link just goes to politico front page

      1. Thanks. Why am I even bothering with the “twitter links” provided by pubs. http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/19/mattis-pentagon-defense-reporters-242857

        Pentagon reporters are complaining of decreased access to Defense Secretary James Mattis, as well as a reduction in journalists allowed to travel on official trips, at a time when the Trump administration is dealing with national security challenges from the Middle East to North Korea.

        Under Mattis, the Defense Department has become less transparent and publicly accountable than it has been in previous administrations, according to interviews with numerous reporters who cover the beat. The reporters requested anonymity, saying they feared that being quoted by name could lead to further loss of access.

        “This is the worst relationship I’ve seen,” said one Pentagon reporter who also covered the department under multiple secretaries of defense during President Barack Obama’s administration.

        Under previous administrations, all three wire services — The Associated Press, Reuters and Agence France-Presse — had typically been allowed to cover each trip made by the defense secretary. But that hasn’t been the case under Mattis. In response to the Pentagon excluding a Reuters correspondent from an upcoming trip, a spokesperson for the wire service declared that the decision “breaks with decades of standing practice.”

        At the same time, Mattis appears to be becoming increasingly wary of the press, said an administration official close to the situation.

        “There is a growing perception by Secretary Mattis that the media is trying to pit him against the president and deliberately misinterpret the things that he says,” said the administration official.

        The official cited the recent example of when President Donald Trump tweeted, “The U.S. has been talking to North Korea, and paying them extortion money, for 25 years. Talking is not the answer!” Later that day, Mattis had said, “We are never out of diplomatic solutions,” which was widely portrayed as in conflict with the president’s stance. Mattis later clarified, “Diplomatic can include economic sanctions, not just talking. It didn’t contradict anything the president said.”

        Tensions between reporters and Pentagon officials came to a head in mid-August, after a handful of journalists were disinvited from a trip to the Middle East, just days before their planned departure. This type of last-minute cut had occurred on previous trips by Mattis, and the incident sparked outrage among the press corps.

        It goes on like that – “would you like some cheese with that whine?” I love it.