By compgrokker
This is from a long, far-ranging discussion of economics and politics a former friend and I had on Facebook, and this post was originally written in 2013. I think this still stands up well, but this is not a new post.
My friend has a BA in Business Administration, hence the reference at least once to his business degree, and presumed cluefulness about how businesses operate and how business owners think. This jumps into the middle, and I’d rather just post this as-is, so I’ll paraphrase his points leading up to this. We wandered over to minimum wage via government regulation (which in turn stemmed from a discussion of the incestuous relationship between business and government); I’d said that most regulations are obsolete and hurt business, he pointed out that yes, some are obsolete, but others are there to protect people, and voila, minimum wage is an example of protecting workers.
My response:
You and I are coming from the minimum wage question from 2 completely different angles. You believe in (federal) government protection of workers. I believe in the (federal) government sticking to the Constitution… and minimum wage isn’t in the Constitution, even under the commerce clause (what Joe Shmoe is paid in Wichita, KS, has nothing to do with a different franchise in Kenosha, WI, selling their burgers). If it was a state minimum wage, it’d be a different thing… although I’d still be against it, the “it’s not a role of government” argument wouldn’t apply.
However, setting that argument aside, I’m still coming at it from the side of “personal responsibility”. You have 3 options as a burger flipper: either find an employer who will pay you what you think a burger flipper is worth at whatever quality of burger flipper you are (I’d assume shoddy, since you feel you need some kind of protectionism to get paid a ‘decent’ wage, but I may be wrong and you may just be ignorant and unaware that you can switch jobs without your world shattering), be the best damn burger flipper you can be and justify that raise you’re asking for (what everyone making over minimum wage does when they want/need to make more money), or learn a skilled trade or get a higher education in something and stop being a burger flipper and start being something like a carpenter or architect.
Again, I’m not talking out my ass, or in theoretical terms about things I only vaguely observe from some mystical ivory tower somewhere… I have the t-shirt. In high school and through college (and after college for a couple years, because of the recession) I worked really crappy jobs. Food Lion and Walmart didn’t pay minimum wage (even McDonald’s doesn’t), but it was bloody close. After I moved out, I didn’t make enough most of the time to cover my gas and such (I was in college by the time I moved out)… so I did the best job I could do and got raises every year. When I could, I got promotions. And when I found a job that paid me well and needed my skill set, I changed jobs and came to work at my current job. I didn’t ask the government to make anyone pay me more, or wish minimum wage was $12/hr… I made myself a better employee and justified the money I was getting, and went above and beyond so raises and promotions would be justified as well.
And since you have a BA, I assume you know as well as I do that businesses aren’t charities– they aren’t there to give workers the money they ‘want’, or deserve for being a special snowflake human being. Businesses exist to make money, and as a side effect pay people to make money for the business… and that pay is in proportion to a person’s value as an employee. If Mother Teresa sucks at flipping burgers, then dang it, Mother Teresa deserves minimum wage… or to be fired. It doesn’t matter to Burger King that she’s Mother flippin’ Teresa, man. She’s a terrible employee, and her pay reflects that.
Also worth noting is the point he’d made earlier about employees being replaced by automation if they get too expensive to employ. This is a very valid point that most minimum wage workers and people who advocate for them don’t seem to understand. Again, people own businesses to make themselves money. If they can’t make enough money, something’s got to give. And when there’s no more non-employee overhead to cut, they need to start cutting people. As a general rule of thumb, it costs about twice an employee’s gross pay to employ them (given employer shares of FICA, certain states’ income tax, worker’s comp, benefits, etc.)… so that $10k/yr employee actually costs the business owner around $20k. I’d imagine Obamacare penalties and/or post-obamacare insurance premiums have upped that 2:1 ratio. So if it costs less than $20k/yr to set up an automated ordering kiosk and a burger flipping robot, guess what a business owner is going to do?
And then there’s the economic effects of raising the minimum wage. Less than 10% of workers make minimum wage, so this would have very little direct positive effect on people. However, in short order, it would have great negative effects on a large number of people. Artificially raising the wages of one segment of the population increases cost for certain businesses, they raise their prices, which raises costs for other businesses, and so on down the line until prices have increased across the board, and we’re right back where we were. This is how raising the minimum wage is a driver of inflation.
In this country, like most countries in the world, we have a fiat currency; that is, a currency whose value is not linked to a commodity (like gold, silver, or salt), but is based on the trust that the country issuing the currency can pay its bills. By its nature, fiat currencies are subject to almost constant inflation through devaluation of the currency. Especially when the country in question is engaging in… let’s say non-optimal monetary and economic practices. In our case, budget deficits, a high national debt, and things like quantitative easing. It’s part of the reason everyone’s parents have stories of “I remember when gas was $0.35!” (for my generation’s parents) or “I remember when gas was $0.98!” (the story I get to tell if/when I have kids and they’re old enough to be regaled with tales of ‘the good old days’). Another factor in inflation is artificially raising wages– you’ve arbitrarily decided that the dollar is worth less than it is, so people need more of them. And by deciding that one segment of the population needs more, less valuable dollars, everyone else needs to have and spend more, less valuable dollars to keep up with the sudden devaluation of a dollar for a certain segment of the population.
So, with a rough idea of how inflation works in mind, it makes sense that raising the minimum wage (or even having one, I would argue) is detrimental to the economy as a whole, and you end up chasing your own tail. What happens when inflation catches right back up to you again? The cycle of artificial inflation begins again, and the minimum wage is raised, devaluing the currency and forcing business costs to go up, rippling down the supply chain, raising costs of end-consumer goods, etc. We aren’t going to rein in fiat-based inflation any time soon, but we can stop wage-induced inflation by not raising the minimum wage.
So what was his response?
Probably feelz. Yeah, I’m going to guess it was feelz
Pretty much.
I once had a similar exchange with a lefty on derpbook, and the response to noting that if someone wants a higher wage they should develop the skills and experience to be worth more, was that “well maybe they don’t have the ability to do that!” So somehow the employer should pay them more than they are worth, because feels.
IIRC, he doubled down on “well, in a perfect world, people should be paid according to their value as a person, that’s what’s being taught in business school now is that you pay ‘socially aware’ wages (or whatever touchy-feely term he had), etc.” and it devolved into how I’m a horrible racist who hates poor people, and no one actually works their way out of poverty.
Needless to say, after a couple discussions-turned-arguments like that, we’re no longer friends. It’s too racist to point out that discrimination in hiring practices is illegal, and hard work will get you ahead in life.
I stopped talking any kind of politics on facebook (or having facebook in general). Without the face-to-face interaction, people just can’t be civil.
what’s being taught in business school now is that you pay ‘socially aware’ wages
Well, if that’s the kind of shit they are teaching now, it helps to explain why so many companies are willing to risk pissing off half of their potential customers in order to indulge in social signaling.
I once had a conversation like this with a far left friend of mine, but it never devolved into us not being friends anymore (we share a joy of drinking and cowboy movies in common). I applaud you for standing your ground on the issue of minimum wage. Too many libertarians de-emphasize so much principle that the Left finds ‘problematic’ and focuses on things that the Left would like like gay marriage and drugs. I talk about those things too, but I’m not going to pander and forsake what is the most important issue: shrinking the size of the state
The business is not buying the person, just renting that part of their worth which contributes to their ends. Thus the wages paid should reflect the value of that contribution being rented.
Also, slaves go for less, so the value of a person as a person isn’t that much.
The people hurt most by minimum wage are the poor. Minorities are disproportionately poor. Why is your friend such a bigot?
Ah, the reply to that was “minorities can’t be bigoted/racist/prejudiced”. He’s black, so he played the race card constantly during any kind of economic/political debate. Not that all blacks do, but he did.
I’m assuming you’ve seen this, but in case you haven’t:
The Racist History of Minimum Wage Laws
Not that all blacks do, but he did.
Then tell him you’d go along with his proposal if his worth as a person got to be committee comprised of Richard Spencer, David Duke and (for business experience) Donald Sterling.
Guessing he didn’t know the first proponents of the minimum wage were specifically trying to exclude women and minorities from the workplace and keep them poor?
IIRC, he doubled down on “well, in a perfect world, people should be paid according to their value as a person
What your friend said is one of the most monstrously, horrifyingly, evil ideas I’ve run across in awhile. Value as a person to whom? Value as a person by what standard? In practice your friend’s position would mean that some person or group of people would be afforded the right to decide, not how much they value some good or service you’ve produced, but what the legitimacy of your humanity is. It’s a sentence to every human being in existence to spend their lifetimes currying favor with those gifted with the authority to decide what someone’s value as a human being is. It’s one of the most disgusting ideas I’ve ever run across.
Agreed. But I haven’t found a way to get through to lefties why the idea is so abhorrent.
As I said above, ask him if he’d like to have his value as a person judged by Richard Spencer, David Duke and Donald Sterling.
“That makes no sense, you obviously aren’t even taking this seriously.”
“Wait, you think the world unfairly judges you for the color of your skin, yet you want to stake your livelihood on their evaluation of your value as a person?”
Of course not. In his friend’s imagination it would be a committee staffed exclusively by benevolent humans that are i encumbered by baser human instincts such as greed and such. Theyd be of a finer clay, so to speak, than ordinary folks.
Exactly my point above.
Not only do they assume this, they don’t even realize that they’re assuming it, it’s just ingrained.
In order to try to argue logic with such a person, you can’t just argue the point at hand, you have to get them to revisit and reconsider assumptions that are so deeply embedded in their thinking that they don’t even realize they’re there. Attempting to get them to revisit those core assumptions just starts triggering defense mechanisms.
Typically it takes a little skin in the game. Have him start a business.
That should do it.
I think it ended up devolving into that, since I was speaking from experience from owning my own tiny little computer repair business that I’d considered expanding and adding employees to before I got a job in IT and shut it down, whereas he was fresh out of business school at a state liberal arts college (UNC-Pembroke) with no experience except for working at a local grocery store stocking produce just before he went off to college. But I didn’t know what I was talking about, because (besides being a racist asshole libertarian) I was a computer engineer with a 2-year degree, whereas he had a 4-year degree in business. Credentials > experience.
Soooo… . he’s ignorant of the fact that the original intention of the minimum wage was to drive women out of the workplace (and back into the kitchen) and to drive minorities and the disabled out of society (as in they can’t find jobs and die of starvation).
The minimum wage reminds me of a generation ship story in science fiction. The original crew is dead. Their descendants have no idea what they are on, or what the original mission was. But the ship keeps going on its inhuman course.
The supporters of the minimum wage literally have no idea that they are backing one of the most monstrous and comprehensive aspects of eugenics ever put into law.
The minimum wage reminds me of a generation ship story in science fiction.
See also: gun control, welfare, “planned” parenthood (the concept, not just the organization), etc…
Generation Ship Metal from Canada:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEfWPSG_a4w
Minimum wage laws are the Nick Gillespie of government regulation.
The kids think it’s cool, until they grow-up and know better.
I’m starting to think there’s a pattern here…
Obsession list:
Ken S – Rand P
Just S – Nick G
Q – Tittays
Swiss – multiple link comments
OMWC – kids
HM – anime culture shockers
Bacon-magic – bacon
UCS – baking with cardboard(I keed)
Sloopy – sports
Jesse – hunks(NTTAWWT)
Ted S – milk
Vhyrus – pew pew
Lachowsky – hot rods
Tundra – hot rods
DoomCo – hot jeeps
Derpetologist – derp
Gojira – godzilla
Straffinuffin – weaboo
The list goes on but I’m supposed to be working
I’d change the “Bacon-Magic” obession to “Other Glibertariat Members”.
#zing
^^^
*hugs*
To be fair, it could just be an obsession with lists.
You figured out the code, bacon. Damn you!
I just mainly think its funny (to me only, apparently) to use Nick Gillespie as a synonym for ‘bad’.
Add making fun of Canada to Just Say’n
That’s all of us.
Who doesn’t love making fun of Canadia?
Canadians are the Nick Gillespie of nationalities
You come here and say that to my face you bitch.
Someone is testy
You just accused us of being Nick Gillespie, spitting in my face is less offensive.
JT is the Nick Gillespie of Canadians.
Nick Gillespie? I’d think Canadians are more like Robby Soave.
*shots fired*
Funny how one nation produces far more metrosexuals…
Dem’s fightin’ words sirrah, hang on while I bind my beard and man bun up so we can have a go at fisticuffs.
*takes off $200 retro shirt off and non prescription eyeglasses*
Are they also responsible for the lumbersexual movement?
Lumbersexuality is cultural appropriation of our national heritage by Americans, and it is NOT OKAY.
Nick Gillespies really know how to rock an A&W location. L’Amburger Oncle~!!!!
There you go bacon, you can add Pomp as “Canadian A&W fetishist”.
Hey, what can I say? Their hottest competitor in the low-end premium niche is Wendy’s.
I would also posit this: an Uncle Burger salves the pain and irritation of a southbound Customs checkpoint better than anything else save for a a front seat blowjob.
Huh… a list I’m not on. I’ll need to work on that.
You’re there but the list just needs added to. Feel free. There’s a lot of obsessions on here.
There’s always Hihn’s list.
BULLIES!
First I get left off of Hihn’s list, now this. I’m going to have to work on my terribleness.
I think w’s obsession is “the board of directors”. That’s not a criticism, I assume it has something to do with your background and you typically add an interesting perspective to conversations.
Do you have a list of Glibertarians.com top ten fascists?
(trembles and fights back solitary tear in corner of eye)
Didn’t want you to fling feces at me and tear my face off.
*hands banana to Michael*
I thought we were buddies.
*hangs head…walks slowly away*
We tight, just haven’t figured out your obsession yet.
I actually can’t think of one either.
See? I know you better than you think.
He probably didn’t know which of us would be the Hotdish guy Mike. He knows that the loser is going to resent the winner.
In the interest of harmony, I will let MikeS = Hotdish. (But I get to be Uffda or Lutefisk)
That’s a state-wide obsession. Like Illinoisians and voting future inmates into public office.
Uffda!
Mike is a NoDak. He’s close enough to the border so some of the trappings of civilization (like hotdish) have permeated his local barbarian tribe, but don’t go thinking they have the ability to create culture like hotdish or lutefisk.
Don’t you lefse?
Only with butter and sugar.
I hope it’s brown sugar…
Brown sugar? You are a savage.
White sugar FTW
Savage? damn right.
You’re going to be using red sugar after your blood is spilled all over it.
Brown sugar is for old fashions.
Lefse is white sugar. Only correct answer.
I just had Tator-Tot hotdish yesterday. Best. Meal. Ever.
I thought Ted’S obsession was with misplaced apostrophe’s.
No. It’s the Turner Classic Movies channel.
Turner Classic Movie’s channel.
I made a comment once about how I always drank milk when I was a kid, and Bacon thinks I’m obsessed with milk.
Maybe Bacon doesn’t think and just posts to stir the pot? /some lurker who is good at deduction
‘Obsessed’ seems a little strong.
*revs petulantly and peels out*
*drops checkered flag*
I am not even on the list. I’m hurt.
Suthenboy – Amazonian fungal penis infections
BWAHAHAHHA
Me too, me too
Yet another list I didn’t make. You and Hihn just can’t be bothered huh??
Minimum wage is why the kids don’t work these days.
Actually, it’s probably the “it costs about twice an employee’s gross pay to employ them”. If the ratio is even higher than 2:1, then it points out the fact that all the other labor regulations have more to do with kids not working.
In other words, just having an employee at ONE CENT per hour costs the employer $5000. If an unskilled part-timer can’t add at least $10K in value to the business, the employee’s wage isn’t the main factor.
If proggies didn’t hate Walmart so much maybe they could actually set foot in one and realize the majority of the work being done at a Walmart store is being done by vendors, not employees. The shelves are mostly stocked by the vendors, the floors are cleaned by vendors, etc. And the percentage of work being done by vendors is only going to increase. Eventually, registered customers will be avoiding the checkout line cashiers completely.
The regulations contribute just as much. You are correct about that.
I think you overestimate how much is done by vendors. I used to work at Walmart, as did my basically-husband and mother-in-law, and my dad and stepmom currently work there– floors are cleaned by 3rd shift maintenance, who are employees (dad works that department), shelves are mostly stocked by employees (with the exception of the chips aisle, which is largely stocked by Frito-Lay vendors, for the stuff they take care of, but the rest of the chips aisle is even stocked by employees– I know, the one time I worked dry grocery I got in a little trouble for stocking the Frito-Lay chips because no one told me not to)… really, except for Frito-Lay, I can’t think of anything that’s handled by vendors except delivery. It might be different in other stores, but in Shallotte and Wilmington (NC) Walmarts that’s how they operated (I worked both, other family members do/did work at Shallotte).
Still, if proggies ever actually took a job at Walmart, they’d see the pay is fair for the work you do (all of it unskilled entry-level, except the few skilled positions that start at pay-grade 4 (out of a scale of 1-6, 6 being hourly management)). They’d also see that the pay, even for a level 1, is above minimum wage, except possibly for areas with exorbitant minimum wages where they can’t afford to pay maintenance $15/hr to scrub toilets.
Well, in reference to your last paragraph, I’m not sure anywhere near all proggies *would* see that the pay is fair, because to them, there’s almost no relationship between the money you “deserve” and the value you bring to your employer. It’s a matter of what they “deserve” based on a number of factors, some of which are bizarre and incomprehensible to normal people.
That’s about the point where I lose my patience and tell them “Deserve’s got nothing to do with it.”
That’s my *opening* gambit. It’s why my psych testing assessed me as being in the least likeable 3% of the adult population of the US, including the prison population.
They’d like you in prison, though.
How on earth do you set an empirical standard of likability?
True. I suppose there’s the difference between the true believer progs and the ignorant– talking with coworkers in the breakroom, I could usually convince them their pay was quite fair for doing work that a well-trained monkey or retarded teen could do just as well as they were.
There are a bunch of wal-mart distribution centers around where I live. They pay over 15 an hour for people to pick products and load trucks with incentives to make more if you can pick and load more that what your daily quota is.
Tales from Walmart DC Managers*:
Walmart pays on Thurdsays. DC managers need to schedule 2x their needed labor Fridays after payday in order to get enough warm, sober bodies in the building.
Several years back, the minimum requirement for promotion to an area supervisor was either showing up on time or calling ahead and letting your boss know you weren’t going to make it for 60 days. You could still miss a day or be late, but as long as you called you were fine. In the facility where my friend was a manager, no one qualified for promotion.
If you have the ability to show up on time, Walmart DCs can hold a decent future for you.
*Not me, former coworkers in the Walmart Home Office.
That really doesn’t surprise me at all. I have known a lot of people who have worked at DCs over the years. They are not exactly the cream of the crop. I don’t know this, but I’m going to have to assume that DCs don’t do a lot of employee drug testing.
I don’t know. I would assume at hire everyone is. I was when I was hired at a store and in the home office.
Lots of ways to get fingers and hands ripped off in a DC.
My son worked a 3am -9am shift at a local UPS depot. Got decent pay, but anyone who was on time all week got $150 bonus.
He said that very few people got the bonus because too many would decide to roll over in the rack at least one day.
$150 per week?! Assuming a 40 hour week, that’s a $3.75/hr premium! Which I also have to assume is at least 1/4 the base wage. That’s a perfect example of how performance is king.
It probably depends on the location of the Walmart. And I assume a lot has to do with state labor laws. NC is relatively light on labor regulation compared to states in the union belt.
I can’t think of anything that’s handled by vendors except delivery
Bread, at least when I worked there. All of the bread, even IIRC “Great Value” (i.e., Walmart store brand), was stocked by vendors (i.e., people who didn’t work in the store on a day-to-day basis; some of them may have been direct or indirect employees of Walmart, just not for the store).
I strongly suspect that the reason why bread and chips were stocked by irregulars was to avoid rough handling.
I worked for a beer distributor for about half a year in college, the regulations around with very from state to state, I know. One of my main tasks was going to any store, in my designated area, that sold our products, including Walmarts, and rotating the stock. I know the soda/pop/coke companies did it too. I guess it depends oh your local regs.
I’m already there, They make me provide my own bags, they have Self checkout, WM people can’t bag for shit, and the CSM at self check is smart enough to be helpful,
byebye Cashiers
As someone who spent over a year stocking shelves at Wal-Mart store #1 during the graveyard shift, this is bullshit. We had a while fucking crew of over 20 stocking an entire super center. Rarely saw vendors. HadHout own janitors too
I think that the most convincing arguments against the minimum wage are centered on morality, since the left’s entire argument for the minimum wage is just a complicated way of saying “I covet those people’s money and they didn’t earn it, not fair, now gimme dat!” The easy way to rebut it is to say that it is a violation of our rights for some overlooking stranger to look at a contract made between individuals and decide, without consent, that it should be ripped up and rewritten by their pre-judged standards.
“It’s not a valid contract because power differential, feelz, feelz, feelz, etc. “
I just finished “Economics in One Lesson”. Funny how 70+ years later, we are having the same arguments.
Derpologist may need to contact your friend for some in depth research.
https://mises.org/blog/racist-history-minimum-wage-laws
The minimum wage, because They took our jerbz
Wait, ENB, Nick Sarwark, and TOS told me that Mises was racist? Why are they outing their fellow racists?
Ahhh, I read the comments. Yeah, there are racists that read the site. Not sure that discredits the whole organization, though
I read a lot of stuff from the mises website. They have extremely good content. I have read nothing there that is racist.
The comment sections of most places are a cesspool of idiocity, racism, socialism, statism, and all kinds of other derp. I don’t care what the comment section of mises looks like. Their content is high quality.
I don’t disagree. I’ve just never read their comments. I’ve read their articles since the mid 2000’s, but never the comments.
If we’re discrediting organizations because of racist comments, Reason has increased its racist content by 400% over the last year.
Yep, same point I was going to make.
Yeah, there are racists that read the site.
Unabashed communists comment at H&R and have for years. Much as I dislike the writers, none of them are communists. Guilt by comment association is dumb.
Check out Dalmia’s latest piece for a couple good ol’ boys stating the glories of white Christian America and the problem with the Negros.
I’d say they didn’t do anything to deserve it, but I’d be lying.
Damn, I should have scrolled down first.
OT: Foundation problems. I’m posting this again because it was rather late last night and I didn’t get very many replies…
I noticed that a stone wall in the basement is wet (it’s not a modern concrete wall; the house was built in 1920 so it’s a bunch of irregular stones with some kind of mortar in between).
The location of this wall is kind of hard to explain, but here it goes: only part of the house has a walk-in basement; the rest is a 2′ crawlspace that is physically inaccessible. The leaky wall is sort of in the middle of the house, and on the other side is the crawlspace. The leaky part of the wall is the bottom two feet, so on the other side of that is presumably dirt. There are no water lines on the other side of that wall that I know of. It’s been pretty rainy here lately, and I haven’t made any changes to the landscaping or grading of the yard.
I can’t see a visible trickle of water, but there’s about a 2′ x 3′ portion of the wall that is damp, and there’s a puddle on the floor. On this damp spot, there are also a bunch of little piles of clumpy dirt (someone said these could be moles or gophers). I’m not sure if these are related to the leak or not.
Anyway: are these issues something that I can patch up myself with some product from the hardware store? I’m not a home improvement expert or anything, but I’ve done pretty well on past repairs after reading a little and watching some YouTube videos.
Even if it’s a fix that only lasts a year or so, I’m good with that – it’s just that having to spend hundreds or thousands of dollars on a professional repair would put a serious strain on my finances at this point.
Any ideas?
How big are the piles of dirt?
Also it sounds as if the water table raised from high rainwater levels.
It looks like someone took about two cups of topsoil and neatly poured it through a funnel onto the ground. There are several piles like that.
No large holes? That’s the soil from outside the retaining wall carried through to the basement and deposited inside by the water. It is not a good sign. I’m guessing your mortar has broken down pretty badly.
How would it end up in perfectly neat little piles though?
“Awiens!”
The same way stalagmites form, only a lot faster. Water lands on the pile, suspended particulates in tow. the water can infiltrate the pile, the particulates can’t. The effect is the particulates get left behind as if being poured sans water.
Unless there is some distance between the piles and the wall.
*disclaimer: in the stalagmites, the water doesn’t infiltrate but evaporates, leaving the minerals…
There is.
I did think that water may have dripped down, but there was no visible dripping from the ceiling and no water lines above that area.
Some of the piles are close to the wall, but some of them are two feet away. There’s a roughly 3′ x 3′ area where they occur. There doesn’t seem to be any pattern to them; it looks random.
It’s just the weirdest thing: it looks like someone poured them in perfect little mounds.
What’s the floor surface made of?
The floor surface is some kind of concrete.
It looks a little irregular in the spot where the holes are, like maybe it was just gravel or dirt.
How deep below the outside surface is the wall? If it isn’t that far below ground, you could dig out a ditch next to it, and fill that with gravel and drain tile to improve drainage away from the wall. May not fix it, but it should ameliorate it enough to put off a professional fix for a while until you can afford it. Shouldn’t cost too much, but it’ll be a lot of heavy work.
That says to me above the other side of the wall is more house.
Yeah, probably. In which case, he is probably right proper fucked, just like my reading comprehension before I eat lunch.
That’s correct. To dig down to the other side of the leaky wall, I’d have to go into the crawlspace and dig through the dirt floor (and I cannot get into the crawlspace without creating another hole in the foundation).
dig around the OUTSIDE of the foundation and install French drains, which are just pipes with a series of holes in them, add gravel over top, then soil,
Done
And buy a product like dry-lock and concrete epoxy.
Use the epoxy to fill in all the cracks and then paint over it with a sealer paint like drylock
Otherwise you’re talking about bringing in a pro to do drilling, draining and injection.
I’m going to interject here on negative side waterproofing and masonry walls. It’s unadvisable.
One, it’s difficult to get it to work. There are hundred things that can go wrong. I deal in waterproofing products for floors and that’s a hard enough problem for the professionals. Masonry walls are worst case scenarios.
Two, if you do get it to work, you can trap moisture in the wall’s mortar and cause degradation over time. Some modern cements are capable of handling the high moisture content, but the ones found in older buildings are not.
Definitely need to fix the drainage problem first.
Putting in French drains and getting water away from the house is the important step.
The epoxy will work pretty good if you can get rid of the moisture problem.
Well, maybe. If the problem is hydraulic pressure pushing up water under the house, then what is really needed is a gravel bed and drainage tile inside the crawlspace, at the level of the foundation footers. I can’t explain the little piles of dirt. Any chance it’s ants?
The house I grew up in was in a region where bedrock was really close to the surface, such that the bottom ~3-4 feet of our basement was actually dug into the bedrock, with concrete block laid up on top of that. That limestone weeped water nonstop, and no surface waterproofing treatment was going to stop it. Dad eventually carved a drainage trench in the concrete floor all the way around the perimeter of the basement, and ran that into a floor drain. Worked wonders. It’s not an ideal solution, but maybe some kind of drain through the inside wall to allow collected water under the crawlspace someplace to go?
You may want a professional to at least look at it. I would be worried if the wall in question was load bearing and if the water is eroding away parts of the wall, the dirt, etc. Then again, I’m not used to seeing water come out of the ground where I am from.
I’d say do this as well.
At the very least you’ll end up knowing how much it will roughly cost.
A couple years back I needed a cinder-block foundation stabilized. It ultimately cost less than I expected. About 6500 for a 25ft wall. Needed to do it to sell the house, so I can’t say how its performed since.
*looks across the street at caved-in house*
Definitely have it inspected. As Dorvinion says, foundation work isn’t always that spendy.
Then again, I’m not used to seeing water come out of the ground where I am from.
Hell, we’re not used to seeing water fall out of the sky, either.
There are a couple of quick and dirty tactical fixes that are relatively cheap,
Try scraping at the the mortar between the stones to see if it’s still ‘solid’. If it’s turning into sand, you could selectively scrape out the loose stuff and re-point the resulting holes with hydraulic cement (not normal cement or mortar), but it’s a long job if all the mortar is crapping out. It’s possible, based on your description, that the ingress is quite minor if the water table has risen, because water table rises tend to create big problems, really quickly when you have a pervious basement.
If the rocks you’re talking about are effectively field stone, it’s quite possible that the some of stones themselves are permitting water thru’, which requires a different tack. For that, you need a heavy duty sprayer or a deck broom and a quantity of basement sealer which is effectively a paint-on impervious barrier of rubberized bitumen. Good ventilation and no bad habits like smoking are advised, and as you might expect, the best success with this is when you apply it while the walls are dry, so again, depending on the exact causes, this might seal 80% of the basement (the 80% that isn’t leaking) and leave 20% of poorly sealed wall.
I thought this was going to be related to The Mule.
Naw it was supposed to be a debunking of psychohistory.
I was actually going to dovetail it into a discussion of Hillary’s money-laundering operation, but I ran out of space.
Do you keep your servers in your basement?
Anyway: are these issues something that I can patch up myself with some product from the hardware store?
Short answer is no. Masonry/stone walls are next to difficult to waterproof from the positive side (where the water is coming from) and impossible on the negative side.
Your best bet is to identify the source of the water. Presumably, since it is towards the middle of the house, it moving from the outside walls in. This gives you an opportunity to deal with it on the outside edges of the house. I don’t know what your exterior drainage scenario looks like so I’ll just give you a couple of things to think about.
What is the water table level in your area? This can drive moisture infiltration in low lying areas. If you can dig a hole a few feet down (not a big one, use an auger) and see water, then you need a sump pump to drive the levels down.
Gutter downpipes should be piped away from the foundation. Preferably to a place where it cannot run back towards the house.
French drains can be installed around the foundation. This can be labor intensive depending on the depth of the foundation.
As far as the stone work, I wouldn’t be too concerned, the house has been there for a hundred years. If the stones are falling out because of degraded mortar, it can be repaired. Active water (liquid water you can see, not dampness) is more of a concern.
Finally, make certain you don’t have a pipe leak in the crawlspace.
You’d better check into how your home-owner’s insurance might deal with this. Check with someone knowledgeable other than your own agent to get a feel for what to expect before talking to your own. Look up similar issues on the intertubes.
A good structural engineer (someone with lots of foundation inspection experience) could tell you what to do, but honestly, what Scruffy said is probably what me or my boss would recommend if we were to do an inspection report. We’d most likely recommend a French drain around the perimeter, but that can start getting pretty deep when basements are involved.
Also, how the hell is there no access door to the crawl space in the floor somewhere?
Just accept that you’re ready for a grotto, problem solved.
One thing that I noticed is that the people advocating an increase in the minimum wage, all seem to be making more than the minimum. They never seem to ask themselves why that is. It’s almost like the wage they’re making is justified by the service they provide. Weird.
That’s just crazy talk.
It can’t be that. Most of the people advocating an increase in the minimum wage are sucking off the government tit.
Because privilege.
and that pay is in proportion to a person’s value as an employee. If Mother Teresa sucks at flipping burgers, then dang it, Mother Teresa deserves minimum wage… or to be fired. It doesn’t matter to Burger King that she’s Mother flippin’ Teresa, man. She’s a terrible employee, and her pay reflects that.
This is one of the worst things about the minimum wage, I think. The very fact that the government sets a minimum wage implies that it’s not the employee’s job to improve the value of their skills; it’s the government’s job to force those mean old Scrooge McDuck employers to pay them more. The message is, “don’t go to college, don’t work harder, don’t pursue opportunities – just keep complaining to the government and you’ll eventually get more money“.
Wow, I sure fucked up the blockquotes on that one…
I hate how minimum wage proponents can’t see how it actually hurts workers. And when you bring up the burger flipping robot argument, they often just argue that businesses should be forbidden from automating the work. Won’t someone think of the candle makers!?!?!
Edgar the Exploiter
That’s a pretty excellent explainer. I’ll keep it in the arsenal for when I want to argue a completely futile argument.
10k subs, 153k views… that video got shared somewhere.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fasTSY-dB-s&t=426s
That one, and the previous one “George ought to help” are really good. There’s a fantastic one about how the AMA and the feds jacked up healthcare prices by making organically organized insurance much more difficult:
How Government Solved the Health Care Crisis
Great post! I remember when gas was $.74.
*hitches up britches and checks swatch watch*
** fx: clears throat, starts making vaguely Yorkshireman-like sounds of indignation **
American Foley artist: “I don’t know what that is supposed to sound like.”
“When I were a lad, Foley artists weren’t a thing. We were too busy starving to draw.”
Foley Art has nothing to do with drawing.
I can only imagine that sounds like Chewebacca dislodging a sponge from his throat.
Gas was higher than it is now when I got my first vehicle.
/moves off Bacon’s lawn
Least you have good taste in music whipper-snapper.
https://youtu.be/xt0Zqo-vOFM
For you, my tasty friend
Back at you
What baffle me is, even for people who think minimum wage as a concept is good, why anyone would think a national minimum wage is good. Even the most diehard advocates of minimum wage will concede that it can be too high (though they usually retort that a $1,000/hour wage is strawmanning right up until they advocate it themselves), and one of their big arguments that we need to raise it is that it doesn’t factor in different costs of living by geography. Well, why should we make the cost of living in LA or NYC the baseline for minimum wage? Why should the minimum wage in rural Louisiana be the same as the minimum wage in Washington DC? Any national minimum wage will be either too high for people in low cost of living areas and cause mass unemployment by their own admission, too low for high cost of living areas requiring a regional higher minimum wage anyway, or both. At the very least they should advocate for minimum wage only at county, city or state at the very highest, but national? It makes no sense even by prog standards.
Sure it does. The people that would be hurt by a national minimum wage are mostly in red states.
Making sense really isn’t the progs strong suit.
B-b-but Obama said they’re the Party of Science™!!
OT: The Deep State is Horrible Except When It’s Against All Things Trump aka We’re Hypocritical Retards
Barry O.
Nah. It took Dubya 8 months and it took Barry O about a year. Trump’s just been building off what they did and expanding it. Like every President before him has done.
FDR?
Obama?
Woodrow Wilson?
Andrew Jackson?
We need you to name a few Republicans.
/Politco editor
Booooooooooooooooooshhh!!!
Lincoln?
Lincoln.
Lincoln?
Note to self, instead of working for nearly three hours, and then commenting, instead blow off work
to comment on glibertarians in a timely fashion.
FDR probably. Even before wartime, the shit he did to unbind executive power was just awful.
“abuse power and subvert American institutions”
Somehow I don’t think we are in agreement on the definitions of those terms.
stop being a burger flipper and start being something like a carpenter or architect.
Irrelevant aside: apparently, being an architect isn’t as lucrative as it used to be, or so I have been told.
I don’t need a visionary, I need an accurate Blueprint, Architects are idiots IME
Having worked in too many structures that where someone’s “Artistic Vision”, I wholeheartedly agree. These buildings look good on paper, or even from a distance, but are a nightmare to interact with, even when they are structurally sound. The human factors are ignored in favor of the art, and the result is a miserable workplace – and that’s before you add people.
The building I work in is functional, but an absolute shithole.
That’s been my impression. I get the sense that good, practical, workaday architects can make decent money. It’s just too many are interested in making art that nobody is all that interested in buying.
They’ll get what Howard Roark thinks is good for them, and like it.
The profession suffers from too many of them and too many who want to be artists instead of producers.
For a lot less schooling, you can become an Architectural Draftsman and actually start designing houses pretty quickly. At least in my experience. YMMV by state of residence.
My best friend from college is an architect. He makes a decent living but doesn’t make the kind of money he expected. He also is disgruntled because he’s one of those who thinks his designs are great art and he finds it depressing that almost all of the work he gets are for boring utilitarian buildings. Love the guy, but I always have to snicker at that gripe.
It depends on which market you’re in. If you’re young and living in a larger city, you’re most likely to first land a desk jockey gig doing drafting and rendering at a larger firm. Architecture, like most other professional fields, requires experience before your earnings can rise. Much of this experience consists of attaining intimate familiarity with building code which can take years.
It honestly amazes me that anyone can be part of this profession and not become at least a little libertarian. The shear volume of codes, and the fact that they reissue them every three years is just asinine. And don’t even get me started on fucking energy codes…
Yeah, I probably should have tossed “unfortunately” somewhere into that last sentence.
It’s not.
It doesn’t help that the AIA (may they suck satan’s cock in hell) decided it would be swell to be super protectionist and convinced the states that you should have to get a Master’s Degree AND intern for 2+ years before you can even sit for the 3 day licensing exam.
Of course, they forgot to convince the state’s that you should have to have a licensed architect stamp the plans to get anything built.
(For the record, I don’t think either of those things should be necessary, but if you’re going to do protectionism, do it all the way for christs sake.)
Regardless of what any law says, the minimum wage will always be zero. That is all, as far as that is concerned.
As several others have mentioned, I don’t get involved in policy discussions on Facebook because I don’t want dolts to see that discussion and become involved. I have found that most people are not capable of being convinced that their pre-concieved notions might be wrong. When presented with arguments and evidence that would cast those notions into doubt, they lose their minds. When I want to have a discussion of that nature, I will do it in a private forum such as a Google Hangouts, where I can control who is involved. Or here, where people are both sane and smarter than I am.
“Or here, where people are both sane”
cites facts not in evidence
-1 point
Sanity exists on a sliding scale. Hihn Bastiat.
I don’t want to have to take a slide rule out of a box to perform a sanity check.
Do we have another system?
Do you have a bone saw handy?
These euphemisms…
*Crosses legs*
Judas Priest–that’s where you went?
Absolutely!
-Jeffery Dahlmer
Eat a dick sicko.
Call of Cthulhu’s point based sanity system might suit you better?
Smarter than me? certainly, Saner than me?
verdict out
There’s this weird logic that being a burger flipper should be enough to fund a family of three with the modern conveniences. I blame post-war manufacturing jobs making them assume every job should fulfill the same lifestyle.
It’s the school of thought that because you exist, you are entitled to freeload. It helps you keep the dignity you wouldn’t have by asking/begging for charity.
There is no dignity in freeloading. The problem was they weren’t exposed to the rush of actually accomplishing something.
Rambling personal anecdote:
Muddling through a participation trophy, problem-ridden public school, there was never a sense of accomplishment. Repeatedly told to stop trying to answer questions so the slower kids had a chance, I ended up withdrawing mentally from the process, getting the lesson that effort and work would not be rewarded. It would have been easy then to slide into the general apathy and malaise that was being hammered into the student body. But I was bored. So I started making up stories to amuse myself, then I started writing them down. Usually, I would start writing and have trouble reaching the end. But whenever I did, there was this massive positive feeling I was unaccustomed to – an actual sense of accomplishment. It was far more rewarding than any arbitrary, hollow praise from faculty who repeatedly proved themselves dumber even than I was, and having to give the instructors vocabulary lessons did shift the nature of my use of obscure verbiage. But the most valuable thing was that sense of “I made this” when I finished a story. Then I wrote a book, then I wrote some more. I was a C student in English because they wanted to hyperanalyze the most boring subject matter from the crap fad author of the ivory tower of their own collegiate days. I even had what everyone called the “engineering split” on my standardized test scores. But unlike those A students, I wrote a book, then several more. Why? Because there was the sense of accomplishment when I wrapped up the story.
A freeloader is a sad soul who will never know that feeling until they get booted off the couch.
You used the word logic in reference to minimum wage discussions. That is not the proper tool for engaging in such a “debate”.
I was thinking about how this would have been in the past. I guess a burger-flipper would be equivalent to a ditch-digger, pre-Industrial. I doubt that ditch-diggers were sustaining families based on that wage alone.
What angers me about that is that there are jobs available for low skill workers that pay enough to support a family. The jobs are hard and dirty but they are available for anyone willing to swallow a bit of their pride and work for a living.
Most factories around here (Ohio) give at least some kind of regularly scheduled raise as you get seniority. Once you reach the “top-out” pay, it’s quite a bit. I was making $18.05 per hour when I left my last factory job.
If you do a good job, you can be a lead associate and eventually a supervisor and get even more money.
Even at the much-maligned fast food jobs, you can get promoted if you stick around and work hard. McDonalds actually does a ton of promotion from within. When I worked there at age 14, the regional manager for our area had started as an entry-level line worker and just kept getting promoted.
Every McDonalds owner-operator started at an entry level position. You can’t buy your way in.
Akira- on your foundation problem:
Is there a way you could get a borescope type camera into that crawlspace, to see if there is puddling, or an obvious depression?
Even drilling a hole in a closet floor might be worth it.
That, I could do. There’s a small hole in the basement wall that leads to the crawlspace; it’s just not big enough for a human to fit through.
You may find some John Wayne Gacy shit up in there. Prepare yourself.
Unless he put it there, and it’s the source of his problems?
* Akira has left the chatroom *
it’s just not big enough for a human to fit through.
Not in one piece, anyway.
Oh Christ. This has to be a fucking joke.
tl;dr: Humorless dems, including Al fucking Franken, questioning Justice Willett on his twitter account.
[some kind of joke Willett must’ve tweeted about A-Rod]
Sen. Franken: How old were you in 2014, when you re-tweeted an A-Rod tweet?
Willett: I was 47, 48
Franken: don’t you think your tweet was mean?
Willett: at the time, A-Rod had just accepted his year-long suspension, at the same time as this article. It was a ham-handed attempt at levity.
Franken: do you think your A-Rod tweet shows good judgment?
Willett: The tweet was an off-kilter attempt at levity that missed the bullseye but was never an attempt to demean someone
Franken: your testimony is that this was a joke? I don’t get it.
Willett: fair enough.
God’s absence is revealed by Al Franken’s presence.
Al Franken is God’s way of testing us. I have failed.
Doesn’t surprise me that Franken doesn’t get it, since he was never funny in his actual job.
This is what our supposed betters spend their fucking time doing.
Franken: your testimony is that this was a joke? I don’t get it.
Willett:
fair enough.I’m not surprised.The proper retort is “The crux of your Stuart Smalley character was mean and stupid and yet you kept that going until Hollywood kicked you out for costing them millions.”
The proper way to address morons like Franken is to answer their questions directly. Since the dumbfuck keeps asking yes/no questions, simple yes or no answers is all he should get.
And if the commie asshole says something like “Why did you send such a tweet?” the proper answer is “I don’t remember. I moved on seconds after I sent it. No one was harmed.”
Franken: your testimony is that this was a joke? I don’t get it.
Well, if there’s anyone who can knowledgeably talk about jokes that don’t go over, it’s Al Franken.
Franken: do you think your A-Rod tweet shows good judgment?
Is shows judgment and probity befitting a Senator.
“The ratio on that tweet speaks for itself, I have nothing else to add.”
What ratio?
The ratio of “likes” to “replies”, which are both numbers shown on every tweet.
If your tweet got 10 “likes” and 100 “replies”, then it’s safe to assume that most of the replies are telling you what a dumb asshole you are. The kids refer to this as getting “ratio’d”.
Here’s the novelty of Franken:
1. Set up proposition or a question phrasing that leads to the suggestion that the interviewee/answerer is heartless or a knuckle-dragging troglodyte.
2. Answerer answers.
3. Franken acts incredulous, rephrases à la “you serious?”
4. Answerer answers.
5. Franken acts incredulous once again, sometimes mumbles “I can’t get a real answer out of this guy”, then moves on to the next question.
So it’s similar to the Piers Morgan strategy?
1. Ask your guest some rhetorical question like “if you think Americans should be allowed to own assault weapons, should you be allowed to own a tank?”
2. Repeatedly shout “how dare you!” and “20 children were murdered!!” as your guest attempts to answer.
Tanks are perfectly legal.
Indeed. Even the former Governor of California owns a few of them and even crushes things with it.
I had no idea that Grey Davis was so cool!
I will forever love the fact that this website exists
http://www.mortarinvestments.eu/#currency=USD
My cousin owned a tank for a while. Iraqi, first Gulf War vintage. One of the ones that didn’t end up a heap of molten slag with bone fragments.
It was a ham-handed attempt at levity.
A good rhetorical gambit. Empathize with the listener.
Brett L linked a WaPo story in the links, which, why am I reading the links? WTF? Anyway, that story linked to another WaPo piece, which left me with another stark reminder that I hate everybody, especially myself:
Roy Moore says he’s a ‘witch hunt’ victim. Tell that to thousands of women killed in real ones.
*head-motherfucking-desk*
Bill Clinton was a victim of a witch hunt.
Tell that to all the victims of real witch hunts!
Oh for crying out loud……
Um, I’m pretty sure it wasn’t exclusively males who were throwing around the “witch” accusations.
-Abigail Williams hardest hit
Also, you really don’t want to start social justice warrioring about witch hunts. Because eventually you’re going to have to explain why Noble Black People still do it in the modern age.
‘Small fraction’ is apparently now almost a quarter.
“Throw the book at him.” How dare you! People have been the victims of real book-throwing for centuries!
Hey, I think I’ve seen that movie!
SLOL
(silent)
Roy Moore should have called it a high-tech lynching.
Strange new respect for Mark Cuban?
He voted for Hillary. -1000 respect
Barry spouted the same stuff.
You’re going to have to drain the swamp first. Technology reduces the number of jobs necessary and that won’t happen without the consent of the civil service.
Did Barry spout the same stuff, or did he just constantly fondle his own dick about how ‘tech savvy’ his administration was because new computers, while the seventy year old orange weirdo basically revolutionized Twitter as a Presidential platform?
Yes on both.
The entire ACA was predicated on savings thru technology. Promptly followed up by an IT disaster of epic proportions.
Here is the real problem on the tech side of things. You have entrenched people who have been at an agency for 20 years and have 5-10 more to go to retirement who flat out refuse to change the way they do things. These people are not fired, rather, they are accommodated. This means you end up maintaining multiple ancient systems that perform the same function, some of them used by one fucking person who won’t transition into the present.
I can only speak to the fedgov agency I work for, and there is some truth to this, not just in tech, which I know little about. But honestly, I see the opposite more often where changing a policy, system, process, whatever is essentially impossible for a glut of possible reasons. And it’s usually the middle to upper management causing roadblocks for employees instead of clearing them so folks can keep working.
If you’ll indulge me in an example…
National policy allows for scaling timber (measuring wood volume after harvest). Regional policy had not been developed to accommodate such measurement since regional managers believe its too easy for loggers to cheat taxpayers out of paying for the resource. Local people want access to this option but meet a stone wall at the regional level. Head of the agency (chief) comes to the local district for a typical dog and pony show and gets an earful about said roadblock. He says he doesn’t see any reason why we shouldn’t have that option. Within two weeks the national head of forest management wants to bring a group of national and regional folks to review our request – interesting timing… Ultimately they agreed to a policy update (along with the requisite paperwork), but the national forest management guy said he agreed to the trip just to appease the chief. He never planned to change his mind. Even in the fedgov, sometimes good triumphs over evil. MUAH HA HA!
Cuban doesn’t have a clue why the government is inefficient. It is inefficient because inefficiency is a positive trait in building government fiefdoms. Remember that it’s the squeaky wheel that gets the grease.
Politician speaking to government manager: “You are doing a terrible job. You are very inefficient!”
Govie: “I don’t have the resources I need to do the job! I need more people and technology. Did I mention that this doo-hicky that will make us more efficient is made in your district?”
Pol: “Obviously, we need to increase your appropriations so that you can get the job done!”
Rinse and repeat, year after year.
I go back and forth with that guy.
My last attempt at a political debate on facebook involved the minimum wage. When I said the minimum wage was wrong, a proglodyte responded with “All right thinking people disagree with you”, then a string of fallacies which included the all-purpose “You are privileged” ad hominem, and ended with, “You got nothing”. I dismissed everything he said as fallacy, and he responded with, “You just can’t dismiss my argument!” Another proglodyte wanted to know why I opposed minimum wage, and I said, “If an employee and employer agree on a wage less than the statutory minimum wage, who are you or the government to butt into their business?” His response? “That’s just Ayn Rand insanity.”
The one I get most frequently is the insistence that libertarian ideas are wrong because “the corporations benefit from that”, as though it’s a logical axiom that anything that might allow rich people to make more money is automatically false.
This is, of course, putting aside the fact that an absolute laissez-faire environment would not be good for giant corporations; it would actually allow more small competitors to spring up, which is the last thing that giant, entrenched corporations want to deal with.
I was gonna say, the big counterargument to critiques of minimum wage these days is the same used for everything else: “Privilege”. To think that an employee ought to look for other employment (or, god forbid, has a responsibility to do so) if he or she isn’t happy where he or she is represents a point of view that only those with white, upper-class privilege can possess. Basically everyone but cishetero wypipo shitlords is shanghaied into a crappy, dead-end job, whereas us privileged few basically just tell the Rich White Straight Men Board of Directors what job we want and how much we want to make, and the shit just happens. So obviously it’s easy for us to say, “Just go get a different job” because we just order that shit like a pizza.
And the person has probably never read Rand. (Nor have I.) Essentially they don’t have an opinion, they have someone else’s opinion.
Moore was a judge for crissakes – he can’t find a better lawyer for himself than this guy???
“All right thinking people disagree with you
That’s what they said to Galileo, too, dude.
Hey, found a new site for you all to enjoy. https://thebodyisnotanapology.com/
Undoing the Dozens: Fighting Back Against Body Shame…
Though I quickly learned to shrink myself, to silence my voice and to make myself smaller for protection, my weight made it nearly impossible to truly be invisible…
Should’ve worked on actually making yourself smaller, fatty.
(Ok maybe I’ve been listening to too much Nerkish)
You can thank Nerkish for me finding this. He posted it on Twitter.
I’m still not entirely sure it’s not a Poe. They’re a little too…on the nose with their insanity. Like how every statement in that ‘Undoing the Dozens’ article basically has an immediate and easy counterpoint.
I mean, come on:
Feeding my body slowly turned into feeling my body as it became full, tracing my stretch marks that told a story of growth, expansion, and resilience. Rubbing my thighs together and jiggling my belly in the all too familiar dance of a happy stomach became a beautiful ballet of moving from fat to FAT.
This is Onion-esque parody SJW shit that I would write.
Never underestimate the depth of derp in the world.
*skips dessert at lunch*
I did get a little tingle when he talked about shitcanning dead weight.
Not sure if this got posted yet but Dems went full retard today.
All in favor of granting them the ‘stupid party’ title?
For those that can’t click a link:
On what grounds are they pushing this? “We don’t like him?”
“Russia.”
Oh, listen to Fancypants here – “grounds”
But since you asked, here’s their reasons, courtesy of our old libertarian brother-in-arms Dave Weigel:
The fifth one, about the First Amendment, is particularly delicious since Cohen had this to say:
1: That’s pretty broad, but maybe he has. He wouldn’t be the only one to obstruct the administration of justice in the past couple of years, would he, Mrs. Clinton?
2: This is meaningless from a legal perspective, makes assertions with not even an attempt at proof, and amounts to flustered gas-baggery.
3: That’s not a violation of the emoluments clause.
4: If that’s the standard, then Obama and every president before him would be guilty as sin.
5: Again, unproven assertion, but it’s made doubly absurd considering that his predecessor actually used national intelligence and law enforcement assets to go after reporters that he didn’t like.
Well, it’s all absurd, of course, but it keeps their dumb voters all stirred up, which is what they see as their road back to power. They have to do something anyway, I mean, how is it fair that someone they don’t like can be president? Nothing like that has happened in 8 years, it’s practically unprecedented! So there had to be Russians, or something!
Also, there is no Section 25 of Article I of the US Constitution as far as I can tell. Maybe it’s next to the section that talks about how the 2A only refers to the national guard.
There’s no explaining to them that you cannot impeach a president just because you lost and you have a sore butt.
Unless the house decides that causing butthurt is one of the high crimes and misdemeanors…
I’m leaning so hard toward voting for Trump in 2020 – my first vote of any kind in 24 years – that I’m about to fall over. If a Man of Science like Ron Bailey can vote to punish the Republicans, surely I can do the same for Democrats!?
I am not sure what Trump has actually done to warrant so much vocal opposition from people purportedly in favor of individual rights and sensible economic policy. He has done more good things in a year than the last four presidents combined.
Ok, there is the giant steaming turd that is the war on drugs, but aside from that I dont get it.
Even the WoD is a wash. He hasn’t done anything other than maintain the status quo so far. Sure he’s talked a big game to get the law and order copsuckers on board but that’s it. Sessions is hanging his hat on the civil asset forfeiture hook but thats been going on for decades and he hasn’t expanded it in any serious way.
He’s ruining paradise, Suthen. The only thing that can bring paradise is democrats running an ever expanding overly bloated federal government. Is it wrong to hate someone for ruining paradise? We were almost there, if only Obama could have been made King forever. But no, the Trumpets ruined everything!
My instincts tell me that Clinton was supposed to usher in true paradise. Every thing they did up to that point was setting up for that. Obama pushed it right to the edge. They thought she would win and push it over the top, true Soviet style. I think that is why they are going so ape-shit crazy. It just got yanked out from under them. It wasn’t supposed to happen like that.
I nearly get sick to my stomach thinking how close we came to that nightmarish disaster.
Meh. Clinton would’ve been bad, she would’ve appointed a bunch of shitty judges, signed a bunch of shitty laws, and the Republicans in Congress would get to continue pretending they care about conservatism. But she was not going to usher in the new Soviet age in America. Clinton is more Tammany Hall than Glorious Supreme Leader.
I think it depends on who is doing the talking.
1) Jeffrey Tucker, for example, has correctly identified Trump as tapping into a right-Hegelian conception of the state’s relationship with society. He correctly is worried that this flavor of collectivism (in favor of the nation as opposed to race or class) will eventually result in fascism. I thought it was a bit hyperbolic at first, but it’s been an eerie experience to encounter people quoting authors that I’d never heard of until a few months earlier when Tucker mentioned them in essays about the alt right – case in point Julius Evola (who palled around with Hitler and Mussolini but managed to talk his way out of trouble and dying a free man in the 70’s).
2) Nick Gillespie – the sorts of dissatisfied people who embraced Trump were embracing any rebels they say – for example Ron Paul. Gillespie thought this signaled a surge of support for libertarianism. Rather it signaled a desire for any straight talker who challenged the establishment. And when they all rushed to Trump, the “libertarian moment” was revealed to be anything but.
3) ? – the model UN libertarians/goldwater conservative types who earnestly believe in politics. Trump just waltzed in and won – while doing ALL THE WRONG THINGS!!!!! I suspect that they are having flashbacks to middle school.
I don’t like Trump. I respect him. I think he is playing a different game than the one he is publicly expressing. And so far, he had done a lot more good than bad IMHO. Still won’t vote for him, though.
All of those charges are aimed at people who voted for Trump, not Trump himself and are largely straw men.
The main sticking point seems to be globalist minded people who object to Trump proclaiming the interests of the US a priority. The implied and the outright Godwining of the discussion sets off a lot of warning bells for me.
Gillespie is a prime example. No matter what Trump does that libertarians have been championing for years without hope of ever seeing his non-open borders policy (very sensible if you ask me) poisoned everything for Gillespie and most of TOS crowd.
Mask manufacturers hardest hit.
“I condemn them in the strongest possible terms.” – Donald Trump
The strongest possible terms. The. Strongest. Possible. Terms. To a person with TDS that translates to ‘failure to condemn’ and/or endorsement. The phrase doesnt include the word ‘derangement’ for nuthin’.
Wait. I thought that was Andrew Jackson
Nope. It was Johnson. Carry on.
If Jackson had been impeached, it probably would’ve started the Civil War a lot earlier.
This is essentially a base play. Look at the districts that the named representatives represent in Congress:
Steve Cohen – D+28 (City of Memphis, majority-African American)
Luis Gutierrez – D+33 (City of Chicago, majority-Mexican and Puerto Rican)
Adriano Espaillat – D+43 (Upper Manhattan, Charlie Rangel’s old district)
Al Green – D+29 (South Houston, majority-minority)
In essence, they’re have some of the nuttiest constituents in America to cater to. Is this any surprise at all?
Funny bit about Espaillat’s district: It went for Obama in 2012 by 93%-6% and Clinton in 2016 by 92%-5%. That’s near Kim Jong-Un margins.
My wife was puzzled as to how people like Hank Johnson and Sheila Jackson Lee get elected.
“Have you seen their districts? Have you seen their voters? Next time we are in Houston we will tootle over to SJL’s district and you will understand.”
Al Green – D+29 (South Houston, majority-minority)
You ought to be with him.
When times are good or bad or happy or sad
I’d also like to see the friend’s response to that. But I can already imagine what it is because I’ve tried having this type of conversation with people like that. It doesn’t matter how well you explain it, it’s not what they want to hear. And it’s not fair!
See my comment below. It isnt just not what they want to hear it is also that you sound just like Charlie Brown’s teacher to them. Your explanation may seem comprehensive to you but you are assuming they understand concepts that they simply dont.
“part of the reason everyone’s parents have stories of ‘I remember when gas was $0.35!'”
And this is why I’m in for Cryptocurrency.
Inflation doesn’t exist!
/Krugman
“Bitcoin is rat poison.”
-Charlie Munger
For years I have been pointing out that proggies/lefty true believers are people who cant make fine distinctions between similar concepts.
In this case those concepts are things of value and things that represent measures of value; i.e. money. They simply dont understand what money is.
Stupidity is also why they dont understand the difference between government granting permission and inalienable rights. They dont even grasp the concept of inalienable rights so explaining the difference between positive and negative rights is a waste of time.
They dont understand the difference between fear and respect. I am sure that Billy C has no idea why he is going under the bus. Hey Bill, when people respect you they help you up when you are down. When they fear you and you get down they just kick you.
They never see it coming because they dont understand what respect is or how to gain it. They rely on fear and opportunity mistaking that for respect. It’s also why the left invariably resorts to violence.
The list goes on. Maybe one day I will try and compile a comprehensive list. In a word, they are stupid, and the end result of not understanding those concepts is profound.
They also believe that getting into a insulated bubble with people who think like them and repeating things over and over again, actually makes their ideas legitimate. They really can’t comprehend that it is possible to be wrong when all the right people agree with them. They think if they can shut other people down by force, and make everyone else agree them them, or else, that this is the same thing as being right. It’s like their intellect never evolved past the stage of your average toddler.
Bingo.
Unpossible VICE is SO WOKE
Unpossible VICE is SO WOKE
Unsafe and Just Plain Dirty’: Women Accuse Vice of ‘Toxic’ Sexual-Harassment Culture
The ‘male feminist accused of sexual harassment’ is this decade’s ‘fundamentalist Christian caught giving blowjobs in a men’s bathroom’.
You are crazy. He was just helping that guy tie his shoes.
*actual excuse given by Louisiana State Congressman Tommy Wright caught giving blow jobs in a public bathroom at a notorious hook-up public park.
OT Question: Did Wok Box close down everywhere, or just the locations around me?
Closed due to cultural appropriation.
I can’t tell if you’re serious. In the mean time I need to find an actual Thai place to find pad thai.
Dude, you are making me hungry. There used to be a Chinese drive-thru place in Natchitoches that had the world’s absolute best Shrimp Lo Mein. That is the first thing that popped in my head. What I wouldn’t give for a plate of that right now.
Well, if they don’t impeach Trump, Uncle Joe will beat him in 2020!
It will be hilarious watching them defend Uncle Joe from the flurry of charges of child molestation. Why just today one of them defended him against the video evidence by saying she didn’t see that at all, all she saw was creepy uncle joe showing love and affection for a young woman.
They won’t have to. The media is all in for Uncle Joe. Or any D for that matter. Hell I bet politics is Weinstein’s next career.
They’d be all-in for the original Uncle Joe if that’s what was necessary.
Biden’s creepy as hell and has been for years in public. Apparently there’s a video of Sessions smacking his hands away from his daughter or granddaughter but I haven’t seen it.
Look, it’s totes ok, because when a Democrat does it, they mean well. Not like mean old Republicans. Why can’t you see the difference?
Ha, found it!
https://mobile.twitter.com/RAMRANTS/status/930108293069938689/video/1
lol. “Keep your hands the hell away from my family!”
Wow.
If Biden runs this is going to get interesting.
Good news everyone. Facebook has an action plan against foreign interference! Russia won’t be hacking our next election so easily!
Help Center? What? I linked to a specific page! https://www.facebook.com/help/1991443604424859?helpref=search&sr=1&query=foreign%20in
I dunno, I’m starting to think we shouldn’t have even used facebook as our electronic voting platform if it’s so easy for those russians to hack.
You mean some orphans expect to be paid? Hrumpf.