Sunday Morning Pre-Game Links

This is a Very Special Sunday. The one where SP and I won’t fight over which channel the TV is on, the one with the Ravens or the one with the Packers. True, we were in that situation last weekend as well, but THIS weekend, she’ll see me rooting for the Packers. That’s because I’m a wonderful, caring, supportive, and comforting husband. The fact that the Pack is playing the Steelers is of course totally irrelevant.

The tard running the French government cares deeply about women. So deeply that he’s taking steps to curb civil liberties to protect les jolie femmes.  Always nice when you can find an excuse to follow your authoritarian inclinations. Of course, you have to read to the end of the article to find the gem:

Mr. Macron said the powers of France’s television and radio watchdog would be extended to cover video games and online content as way to push back against pornography and content that promotes violence against women.

Sadly, they also want to raise the age of consent to 15. So much for my next French vacation. And speaking of French pussy in danger…

This whole series of stories is just goofy and sadly speaks to the ignorance and gullibility of humans.

That’s it, we’re all doomed. Remember the Millerites? Pepperidge Farms remembers.

Right answer, wrong reason. But would you expect a European judge to value the rights of private entities? Nah, easier to blame Jews.

Old Guy Music time! One of my favorite ’60s bands whose songs my band used to cover. Like this one, the ultimate ode to drunkenness.

Comments

494 responses to “Sunday Morning Pre-Game Links”

  1. Grumbletarian

    This time we pinky swear that the world is on a tipping point to disaster. Unless you don’t believe us. Then another tipping point is just around the corner.

    1. Suthenboy

      That’s how scams work. Doom is always just around the next bend, you better pay up.

      1. Mr Lizard

        STEVE SMITH BEHIND EVERY BEND

      2. DOOMco

        *slinks back into shadows*
        that’s right.

      3. SP

        Well, if Doom whacks you over the head with a pineapple….

        1. Number.6

          Have a luao?

          1. MikeS

            Whatever…just no damn pizzas

    2. PieInTheSKy

      It was funny they said no arctic ice by 2015 when that didnt happen they oushed it to 2050. This year there was an article that said its worse than we thought no ice by 2045 – well what happened to 2012? In 2030 they can push it to 2090 and then say 2085 worse then we thought.

      1. I don’t see what the big deal is, anyway. A smaller arctic means more reliable shipping channels and primo subtropical beach property. But polar bears doe. :’-(

        1. PieInTheSKy

          Polar bears survived multiple periods of ice free arctic including the eremian they be fine

          1. Suthenboy

            Little known fact: Polar bears and grizzly bears are genetically so similar that if the arctic were ice free for a thousand years and then re-iced up, polar bears would return in no time at all.

          2. Trigger Hippie

            That’s true. The panda, on the other hand, backed itself into an evolutionary corner and is doomed sooner or later.

          3. It is surprising that the panda has lasted even this long.

          4. pan fried wylie

            On geologic/evolutionary timescales, the panda is already extinct.

  2. The Late P Brooks

    A nuthouse, with typewriters.

    Fear of the male libido has been the subject of myth and of fairy tale from the beginning of literature: What else were the stories of Little Red Riding Hood or Bluebeard’s Castle about? A vampire is an ancient and powerful man with an insatiable hunger for young flesh. Werewolves are men who regularly lose control of their bestial nature. Get the point? There is a line, obviously, between desire and realization, and some cross it and some don’t. But a line is there for every man. And until we collectively confront this reality, the post-Weinstein public discussion — where men and women go from here — will begin from a place of silence and dishonesty.

    ————–

    Sex is an impediment to any idealism, which is why the post-Weinstein era will be an era of gender pessimism. What if there is no possible reconciliation between the bright clean ideals of gender equality and the mechanisms of human desire? Meanwhile, sexual morality, so long resisted by liberals, has returned with a vengeance, albeit under progressive terms. The sensation of righteousness, which social media doles out in ever-diminishing dopamine hits, drives the discussion, but also limits it. Unable to find justice, or even to imagine it, we are returning to shame as our primary social form of sexual control.

    The crisis we are approaching is fundamental: How can healthy sexuality ever occur in conditions in which men and women are not equal? How are we supposed to create an equal world when male mechanisms of desire are inherently brutal? We cannot answer these questions unless we face them.

    What if the real problem has nothing whatever to do with me, but that you’re simply fruitier than a nutcake?

    1. ArchieBunker

      People read into things wayyyy too much.

    2. Suthenboy

      “male mechanisms of desire are inherently brutal”

      Before I married I dated around a lot. That is a two way street, asshole.

      1. Best thing about the future, all bitter male and females of this kind can just become robosexuals. The future is nigh.

    3. What is all this “we” shit?

      1. Also, these people can never, ever, *ever* be allowed to control the courts.

        1. Lackadaisical

          You’ve not heard much about how family courts operate then?

          1. Count Potato

            Like Jack the Ripper was a surgeon?

      2. Akira

        “Progressives” are all about saying “we as a society”.

        My theory is that it removes the locus of control from the individual and makes every single thing seem like a collective decision. I’ve heard people balk at the minimum wage and say, “why would we want to pay workers even less than we do now?” I’ve also heard it used with technology, as in “it’s sad that we spend so much time on our phones these days”. Well, YOU can get off your phone anytime, but you don’t. You just complain that “we” do X and you must simply go with the majority and keep doing it. You’re powerless.

        If you’d ask them to whom that pronoun is referring, they would probably say “society”. This is the power of “we” – it supposes that society has the right to weigh in on every single decision that gets made by anyone. It subtly furthers the government-is-us mindset.

        1. Lachowsky

          Well put.

          We should stop that…

        2. Similar
          Once, I remember, I ran across the case of a boy who had been sentenced to prison, a poor, scared little brat, who had intended something no worse than mischief, and it turned out to be a crime. The judge said he disliked to sentence the lad; it seemed the wrong thing to do; but the law left him no option. I was struck by this. The judge, then, was doing something as an official that he would not dream of doing as a man; and he could do it without any sense of responsibility, or discomfort, simply because he was acting as an official and not as a man. On this principle of action, it seemed to me that one could commit almost any kind of crime without getting into trouble with one’s conscience.
          Clearly, a great crime had been committed against this boy; yet nobody who had had a hand in it — the judge, the jury, the prosecutor, the complaining witness, the policemen and jailers — felt any responsibility about it, because they were not acting as men, but as officials. Clearly, too, the public did not regard them as criminals, but rather as upright and conscientious men.
          Albert Jay Nock

    4. Lackadaisical

      Meanwhile, sexual morality, so long resisted by liberals, has returned with a vengeance, albeit under progressive terms

      Proof of the horseshoe theory?

      What if the real problem has nothing whatever to do with me, but that you’re simply fruitier than a nutcake?

      This sounds like a hate speech comrade Brooks, please report to your nearest Gula… reeducation center.

      1. Meanwhile, sexual morality, so long resisted by liberals,

        Requires proof not in evidence.

    5. Fear of the male libido has been the subject of myth and of fairy tale from the beginning of literature: What else were the stories of Little Red Riding Hood or Bluebeard’s Castle about?

      What was The Fountainhead about?

      1. Lackadaisical

        One man’s mission to build a monument to his junk.

      2. ::polite clapping::

    6. juris imprudent

      male mechanisms of desire are inherently brutal

      Someone’s been watching ZARDOZ!

      1. ZARDOZ IS PLEASED?

    7. straffinrun

      From Twitter: Stephen Marche

      NYT Opinion‏
      @nytopinion
      For most of history, we’ve taken for granted the implicit brutality of male sexuality. Why won’t we discuss it now?

      Because her mouth is full?

    8. Rhywun

      It’s almost like the left had this narrative pre-planned complete with stacks of navel-gazing tedium, and were waiting for the right time to begin the campaign. Nah.

  3. Tiger shot dead in Paris train station after escaping from circus

    A TIGER escaped from a zoo in Paris before being shot dead in the French capital.

    The Sunday Star’s reputation for top tier journalism is really slipping. They need to watch their backs, or Weekly World News will pull ahead.

    The animal was shot by circus staff, police said. A tram line had been closed while the animal was at large.

    More surprising is that a pleb with a gun was permitted to do this in Paris.

    1. Lachowsky

      https://www.cbsnews.com/news/lion-scare-has-arkansas-town-on-edge/

      This is pretty old. from 2002 I think. It was an interesting story at the time.

      “Everybody is scared around here,” added neighbor Arvil Skinner. “People have to sit out with a high-powered rifle just to let their kids play in the yard.

  4. One day, Sophia hopes to start a family, have a child, make friends, be famous and have a career. These all sound like hopes and dreams of a regular human being. Well, not really – these are the ambitions of a robot.

    Where the fuck is your hijab , Sophia? It’s no wonder you have no children, heretics are cursed to be barren!

  5. straffinrun

    Mr. Macron said he favored 15 as the threshold but would let lawmakers decide.

    Moore’s law. We can double it every two years.

    1. JaimeRoberto

      I thought Moore’s Law was 14.

      1. Number.6

        You’re thinking of Polanski’s Law.

        1. MikeS

          A(ctually)LOL

  6. The Late P Brooks

    Mr. Macron said he favored 15

    The toxicity of the male libido cannot be restrained!

    1. RAHeinlein

      +1 Judge Roy Moore?

  7. straffinrun

    “We must recognize, in our day-to-day lives and in our governing institutions, that Earth with all its life is our only home,” the scientists and experts warned

    Warned?

    1. They are trying to persuade all the idiots building steam powered rockets from trying to colonise the moon without proper life support.

    2. Suthenboy

      I am assuming ‘expert’ but not scientist means someone who has thoroughly memorized all of the talking points and tows the lion.

      1. Lackadaisical

        Noted science expert Dr. Nye warned that gender is a social construct, but also definitively a spectrum with no biological basis today.

  8. The Late P Brooks

    I’m telling you people, the Big Bad Wolf is out there. He’s behind that tree! No, wait, I see the shadow of his tail behind that rock!
    WHY WON’T YOU LISTEN TO MEEEEEE?

    1. straffinrun

      Did you just turn the Boy Who Cried Wolf into Little Red Riding Hood? NTTAWWT.

      1. Little Red Riding Hood is genderfluid. Or is it genderqueer? And into bestiality too.

        1. Lackadaisical

          Don’t shame xer sexuality, shitlord.

          1. Suthenboy

            Y’all are getting a little too good at repeating the gibberish language of the left. I am starting to worry.

            *notice that y’all is non-gendered

          2. Lackadaisical

            Come over to the woke side Suthen, feel the triggering flow through you.

          3. Rhywun

            There are languages where y’all is female only you’re addressing a group of women. If one male is present, y’all takes the male form. A “one drop rule” if you will. Can you imagine?

          4. I can’t even.

  9. Prince Charles famously warned in July 2009 that humanity had only 96 months to save the world from “irretrievable climate and ecosystem collapse, and all that goes with it.” That deadline has passed, and the prince has not issued an update to when the world needs to be saved.

    To complete the final draft, the personal assistant had to redact the tard grunts and screams that peppered the dictation.

    “We have hours to act to avert a slow-motion tsunami that could destroy civilization as we know it,” Elizabeth May, leader of the Greens in Canada, wrote in 2009. “Earth has a long time. Humanity does not. We need to act urgently. We no longer have decades; we have hours. We mark that in Earth Hour on Saturday.”

    Ditto.

    1. Semi-Spartan Dad

      I still can’t fathom the obsession the Brits and even many Americans have with the British royalty. It seems like inbreeding has taken it’s toll, and they are the British equivalent of Frederica Wilson.

      Years ago, my older prog cousin from NYC asked my wife if she was going to watch the Royal Wedding. My wife’s response, “Fuck no! Why on earth would I care about them?! We fought a war to be done with them”

      My cousin’s husband responded that they were getting up at 2am to watch it.

      1. juris imprudent

        American-shmamerican, you are talking about the kind of human that wants to be led, and nothing answers (and reinforces) that need like royal pomp. It was bad enough watching people give the Obamas that treatment, but with Trump – sheesh, I don’t even have the words.

        1. If a president-elect elects to forego the inauguration parade, of their own volition, have we found a good candidate for dictator for life?

          1. juris imprudent

            Top. Men. fallacy for the other side.

      2. Gustave Lytton

        He was rewarded with Pippa’s ass before Father Time wrecked it.

        I’m sorry, what was the moral here again? I started thinking about that and lost my train of thoughts. The train of the bridesmaid’s dress on the other hand…

  10. A man has three girlfriends, but he can’t decide which one to marry. So he decides to give each one $5000 and see how each of them spends it and let that decide which one he chooses.

    The first one goes out and gets a total makeover with the money. She gets new clothes, a new hairdo, manicure, pedicure, the works, and tells the man, “I spent the money so I could look pretty for you because I love you so much.”

    The second one went out and bought new golf clubs, a CD player, a television, and a stereo and gives them to the man. She says, “I bought these gifts for you with the money because I love you so much.”

    The third one takes the $5000 and invests it in the stock market, doubles her investment, returns the $5000 to the man and reinvests the rest. She says, “I am investing the rest of the money for our future because I love you so much.”

    The man thought long and hard about how each of the women spent the money and decided to marry the one with the biggest tits.

    http://archive.is/RduRU

    8, 20, 26, 32 seem like they have many interesting things to say about Cramer’s paradox.

    1. straffinrun

      12 looks like a snuff picture.

      1. Lackadaisical

        Looks like she needs to clean her room.

    2. Lackadaisical

      Why ruin a nice love quadrangle with marriage?

      This guy is dumber than he looks.

      1. Mommy issues.

    3. PieInTheSKy

      13 36 and 44

      What is going on in 15?

    4. Lackadaisical

      29 is kicked out of the orgy for being super fake, and doing to much sculpting with her makeup.

    5. Also 35… wowza how did I miss her the first time around?

    6. PieInTheSKy

      I feel I should add 38 lest I be accused of insufficient diversity

      1. RAAAAAAACIST!!!!

      2. Lackadaisical

        She is actually one of the hotter ones out of this group, imo, and I have no special affinity for black women.

    7. Old Man With Candy

      I tell it better.

      1. Does it involve girl #1 buying candy for the man at her Elementary School snack bar?

        1. Old Man With Candy

          DON’T STEP ON MY PUNCHLINES!

    8. Trigger Hippie

      13, 15, 20, 23…

      *fails to finish scrolling down*

      I’ll be in my bunk.

    9. MikeS

      26 & 27

      10 & 15 are bunny boilers

    10. Tundra

      Good morning, Q!

      36 wins. Yowza.

      35 a close second.

      Hurray for smiles!

    11. DEG

      A man has three girlfriends, but he can’t decide which one to marry. So he decides to give each one $5000 and see how each of them spends it and let that decide which one he chooses.

      A friend of mine has three girlfriends. All three know about each other and are friends. He’s not going to marry any of them.

      #25 and #45 are excluded from the orgy on account of stupid piercings.

  11. I’d think Blodwyn Pig would be treif.

    [goes down Wikipedia rabbit hole to confirm]

    Treif, but not terefah. If a goy such as I understands correctly.

    1. PieInTheSKy

      How did sloopys game finish?

      1. The good guys won.

    2. Suthenboy

      I tried to go to fantasy fest once. You have to reserve your room one or two years in advance.

  12. The Late P Brooks

    Did you just turn the Boy Who Cried Wolf into Little Red Riding Hood? NTTAWWT.

    The wolf is Trump; the little boy tingling and trembling with dread and desire is Doktor Krugabe.

    Do I have to explain everything?

    1. Suthenboy

      “the little boy tingling and trembling with dread and desire is Doktor Krugabe.”

      This thoroughly creeps me out.

      *shivers*

      1. Krugnuts probably masturbates to pictures of Ann Coulter and Tucker Carlson. He is so over the top, he probably has some fetish about conservatives; he’s like the virulent homophobe secretly lovin’ the D.

        1. straffinrun

          Explains his theory on sticky wages.

        2. Suthenboy

          I think you hit the nail on the head

      2. OMWC likes it when little boys tremble with dread and desire.

        1. He already said he’s not gay.

          1. AlmightyJB

            What’s that have to do with it?

  13. The Late P Brooks

    So- what was Urban Meyer frothing at the mouth about, after the game? Gamblers put out a hit on his quarterback?

    1. He thinks it was the photographer’s fault that Barrett got injured. Seriously.

      One wonders what Tony Gonzalez would say.

  14. The Late P Brooks

    Doomsday Cultists predict DOOM at annual fundraising gala. Our own Stella Peabody was there. Take it away, Stella.

    1. What would Cortez Cortez say?

      1. Lackadaisical

        I miss that feature.

    2. DOOMco

      I do clean up nice, Brooks.

    3. SP

      Wow, Doom sure gets around.

      1. DOOMco

        Just don’t tell my girlfriend!

  15. The Late P Brooks

    One wonders what Tony Gonzalez would say.

    What would Tony Soprano say?

    1. I was referring to this. I probably should have included a link in my original post.

    1. straffinrun

      All that make up would ruin my couch cushions.

      1. Your couch cushions can take one for the team.

        1. straffinrun

          Suppose I could flip either her or the cushions over.

    2. PieInTheSKy

      eh you should walk the old town of Bucharest on a summer Saturday night.Plenty of eye-candy

      1. John Titor

        Don’t do this, Pie is just setting you up to be eaten by The Master.

    1. straffinrun

      Nice.

    1. Suthenboy

      Yum.

      Trust me when I say that despite the south being over-run with fatties we have some smokin’ hot women in the mix.

  16. RBS

    Has anyone heard from Jake Bentley this morning?

  17. ArchieBunker

    KY jails are overcrowded so now they’re solution is to look to private prisons to solve the problem. Couldn’t possibly put fewer people in jail I guess. That thought probably never crossed their mind

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.kentucky.com/opinion/editorials/article96532572.html&ved=0ahUKEwijt4PtsdzXAhUl_IMKHVwICqUQFggiMAA&usg=AOvVaw1ToAxXNn5dgUgpvTM-KiTn

    1. ArchieBunker

      Their not they’re

    2. Lachowsky

      The county I love in held a ballot earlier this year to increase the sales tax by a half a percent so that we could build a new jail. The damn people in my county voted for it. Pissed me off to no end.

      Let’s raise taxes so we can put more people in jail. Idiots.

    3. Akira

      As an aside: whenever you hear a “progressive” foaming at the mouth about for-profit prisons, please remind them that government prisons ARE for-profit – for the profit of the public sector unions who staff them and prevent them from firing bad employees.

    1. Yup, I wasted my time reading much of that. Please never get past this, you fucks.

    2. Grumbletarian

      Agreed. I want her to be the nominee every four years until the end of time. I want her decaying corpse used like a marionette by whatever idiots write for Salon in the 2062 debates. I want a skeleton in a poorly fitting pantsuit being openly fed debate questions by the CNN moderator during the actual debate.

      1. Trigger Hippie

        She’s like the Al Davis of politics. The longer she clings to life and power, the worse the brand she backs performs.

        Here’s to another three decades, Hil!

    3. John Titor

      Absolutely. Clinton is an almost brilliant mix of unlikeable, corrupt and incompetent. Having her run again just helps to further humiliate the Democratic brand.

    1. Lackadaisical

      Eh, I honestly can’t blame them for not wanting to work the day after thanksgiving.

      Though, isn’t it supposed to be a ‘news of the day’ type of show? Kind of hard to pretape that, right?

      1. straffinrun

        Ultimately, it’s unimportant. You gotta say, “Why would you do that?”.

        1. Suthenboy

          You’ve never been around a compulsive liar?

      2. egould310

        That one lady from CNN should tweet “Show a picture of you at a table, actually eating” or something. Because if a pecan pie is going to be headlines for three days…

    1. RBS

      And a Liberty grad.

    2. Suthenboy

      I am beginning to think that certain personality types seek out professions for opportunistic reasons unrelated to the stated purposes of that profession.

    3. Lackadaisical

      Okay, so he was 17. While inappropriate (and they shouldn’t work in schools), it hardly seems criminal.

      Also, what the hell.

      1. Count Potato

        But if it were a 23-year-old man and a 17-year-old girl, people would be out for blood. Even though it’s entirely plausible, and perhaps even likely, a teenage girl could be attracted to a man is his 20’s.

        1. “Or, in his 30’s.”

          ~Roy Moore

    4. leonadasiv

      We need to teach women to not rape boys. The female desire is so ravenous

      1. Rhywun

        Toxic femininity.

    5. PieInTheSKy

      she’s pretty but hell at 22 she probably has the same mind the kids she teaches do so I am not surprised. And double standard, power relationships bla bla I have to admit i find this less wrong due to the relatively small age difference. hell in some of those pictures she looked like she could pass for 17 18 herself

      1. leonadasiv

        If this kid was 18 and not in her class, it would be a normal relationship.

        1. Heroic Mulatto

          A normal adulterous relationship.

          1. PieInTheSKy

            so basically if the kid was 18 and not in her class and they were French it would be a normal relationship.

          2. Heroic Mulatto

            I applaud Mrs. Macron’s restraint.

          3. leonadasiv

            Ok I forgot about that part.

    1. Suthenboy

      Almost?

      *reaches for kleenex box*

    2. PieInTheSKy

      I am not conservative but conservative judges seem preferable in at least 2/3 of cases

      1. The Last American Hero

        Ditto. That’s because in spite of their deference to law enforcement they like rules and procedures and are less likely to rule based on Muh Feelz

        1. juris imprudent

          Yeah, conservatives like Anthony Kennedy.

          *hock-ptui*

          I was reading an article that lead me to look up the PP v. Casey decision – what an argle-bargle of bullshit that is, 3 substantive points knocking down the law, but with different deciding votes on each (and each of those filed opinions both in concurrence and dissent in part). Here’s the thing though – Kennedy authored that intellectual partial-birth-abortion and started with a paean to stare decisis as regards Roe. Yet in Lawrence v. Texas he writes an opinion overturning a decision while imparting that stare decisis isn’t controlling (because it went against his Feelz – and his fucking “mystery of life”).

  18. Count Potato

    “Wilfrid Laurier and the Creep of Critical Theory

    The Critical Theorists were heavily inspired by Karl Marx, and one of Marx’s most famous statements articulated the distinction that would come to separate Critical Theory from traditional science and philosophy: “Philosophers have hitherto only interpreted the world in various ways; the point is to change it.”

    What’s left unstated here is that the purpose is not to change the world arbitrarily, but according to the particular goal of liberating people from oppression. Science thus becomes a tool for achieving a predefined societal state. This reflects a significant departure from traditional scientific methodology, which discourages defining purposes. One might say that the purpose of traditional scientific methodology is to ‘discover truth,’ but even that is unnecessarily restrictive. Science has traditionally worked pragmatically, through a bottom-up process.

    In fact, escaping the need to fit science to a predefined purpose was arguably one of the main drivers of the scientific revolution. For centuries before that, philosophy, the precursor to science, was employed largely in the service of justifying religious accounts. (Thomas Aquinas famously referred to philosophy as the “handmaiden of theology.”) Critical Theory can in that sense be considered a return to a (quasi-)religious approach, where the purpose of scientific inquiry is defined a priori.

    And, of course, the use of the term ‘critical’ is misleading. The idea is to criticise power structures within the context of liberating people from their oppression. The purpose itself is above criticism, which is why situations like Shepherd’s arise.

    So, although Critical Theory was conceived as a scientific methodology, in practice it represents an approach to discourse in general. It’s not just about scientific inquiry having a predefined purpose of fighting oppression, but any discourse.

    It is this shift – from the multidimensional, bottom-up approach to discourse that characterised classical liberals like Mill, to the singular, top-down approach to discourse that characterises Critical Theory – that has gradually but significantly changed Western culture. It explains why we are now seeing the social justice movement erupt at universities. And this is true even though, ironically, Critical Theory proper is still a niche scientific methodology. In short, the idea that there is a singular purpose to human discourse – fighting oppression (or more neutrally: reducing power differentials) – to which all discourse must be subordinate, has gradually taken over institution after institution.”

    http://quillette.com/2017/11/21/wilfrid-laurier-creep-critical-theory/

    1. leonadasiv

      And see I thought science already had a purpose, to eke out knowledge and truth.

      Can’t serve two master’s and whatnot.

    2. Suthenboy

      Goddamn, that is a heapin’ helpin’ of gibberish.

      People hate nothing more than truth and responsibility.

      1. PieInTheSKy

        There is no truth, although IO agree you should be responsible for the public welfare. Basically you owe me money because Romanians are oppressed by Americans.

    3. PieInTheSKy

      I am starting to associate critical thinking with critical theory although should be different. But this is I assume the goal of postmodernists.

      1. Suthenboy

        Postmodernists = old fashioned marxists in a new dress.

        The goal is to create idiots that can be led around by the nose.

        1. PieInTheSKy

          to be fair some old fashioned Marxists dislike postmodernists cause they take focus away from economic class warfare

          1. Count Potato

            Well, most of the postmodernists were anti-communists. On the other hand, neither Marx nor the postmodernists would agree with today’s identity politics.

        2. Count Potato

          I think you are confusing things here. Critical theory is derived from Marxism, but postmodernism and critical theory are not the same thing.

      2. juris imprudent

        Yes just like every appropriation of the word justice with a modifier in front of it [social, economic, environmental, etc.] has nothing to do with the original meaning of the root word.

        1. Number.6

          It’s fair to argue that the modifier actually reverses the original meaning of the word.

          1. ruodberht

            That’s called an alienans predicate. :themoreyouknow:

    4. Gilmore

      “”‘the purpose is not to change the world arbitrarily, but according to the particular goal of liberating people from oppression.””

      By stripping them of liberties and impoverishing them, yes, we know.

      1. dbleagle

        This a book I heard about I think on this website and started yesterday, I can’t put it down. It is a fascinating study into the crimes of the USSR on internal people and the how and why the Russian government turned away from the early steps to remember those crimes. The author did a great job of making the book informative and compelling to read.

        “It Was a Long Time Ago, and It Never Happened Anyway: Russia and the Communist Past” By David Satter.

        The most depressing thing about the book is how little recognition these crimes get today. Here is a well reviewed, well written book published by a respected company (Yale University Press) in 2012. The copy I am reading was placed on the stacks by the Hawaiian Library System in March 2012. It was checked out in May 2013, Dec 2014 and by me in Nov 2017. That is it.

        It is as compelling as “Bloodlands” but short (~300 pages) and the end notes are equally fascinating.

        1. Gilmore

          “”It Was a Long Time Ago, and It Never Happened Anyway””

          Its funny, that echoes a sort of very common dual-(and mutually-contradictory)-rationalization that you hear everyone echo all the time

          it was my joke about “how the japanese talk about the rape of Nanking”

          “a) It never happened, and b) they probably deserved it”

          Its a kind of have-your-cake-and-eat-it-too approach to history that some Nationalists take when dealing with anything less than complimentary to their legacy.

          that book sounds interesting and i’ll grab it from the library if i can

    5. Lachowsky

      “Science thus becomes a tool for achieving a predefined societal state.”

      Start with a goal in mind, then use sciencey words to justify the means of achieving said goal. Warmed over Marxism is all it is.

  19. PieInTheSKy

    found out there is a guy named Chad Dickerson and that amused me. What is wrong with me?

    1. PieInTheSKy

      Also Etsytorium … really

    2. PieInTheSKy

      “It was a dizzying series of events at a company that has long held itself up as a paragon of righteous business practices. Etsy’s founders believed its business model — helping mostly female entrepreneurs make a living online — was inherently just. Employees shared their emotions freely, often crying at the office. Perks included generous paid parental leave, free organic food and a pet-friendly workplace. Etsy was certified as a B Corp by a nonprofit called B Lab, denoting its particularly high social and environmental standards.” so crying at the office is a good thing? I understand not being closed of and sometimes talking about your feelings with close people, but some self control is warranted i would say.

    3. leonadasiv

      “how would a company like Etsy balance the short-term demands of its shareholders with its high-minded long-term mission?”

      If the long term mission of the company isn’t in regards to improving the experience of people and providing a good service, then they are going to have a bad time.

  20. The Late P Brooks

    Unpersoning, cont’d

    Arizona State University’s journalism school announced it was rescinding the Walter Cronkite Award for Excellence in Journalism, named after the longtime news anchor, that it gave to Mr. Rose in 2015. Also on Friday, the University of Kansas journalism school said it was taking back its William Allen White National Citation, which it gave him this year.

    In a statement, Christopher Callahan, dean of the Walter Cronkite School of Journalism and Mass Communication at Arizona State, said he believed Mr. Rose’s alleged transgressions were “so egregious that they demand nothing less than a reversal of history.”

    Down the Memory Hole he goes.

    1. PieInTheSKy

      Call me old fashioned but just bring back taring and feathering

    2. leonadasiv

      “White National Citation”

      Triggered

    3. Suthenboy

      And Hitler was right-wing.

      It seems like there should be a point where it would hit home that having to constantly disassociate yourself from your fellow travelers means…oh hell, never mind.

  21. Rufus the Monocled

    “Mr. Macron said the powers of France’s television and radio watchdog would be extended to cover video games and online content as way to push back against pornography and content that promotes violence against women.”

    Pepe LePew hardest hit.

    1. PieInTheSKy

      they also need more porn in french… right?

  22. The Late P Brooks

    And, of course, the use of the term ‘critical’ is misleading. The idea is to criticise power structures within the context of liberating people from their oppression. The purpose itself is above criticism, which is why situations like Shepherd’s arise.

    Well, if by that you mean, “Substituting one yoke of oppression for another,” it all makes perfect sense.

    1. Suthenboy

      The purpose is above criticism.

  23. PieInTheSKy

    Science fiction triggers ‘poorer reading’, study finds
    US academics find words such as ‘airlock’ and ‘antigravity’ are cues for test subjects to assume a story isn’t worth a careful read

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/2017/nov/23/science-fiction-triggers-poorer-reading-study-finds?CMP=twt_books_b-gdnbooks

    t might feature such thought-stretching concepts as time travel and warp drives, but reading science fiction actually makes you read more “stupidly”, according to new research.

    In a paper published in the journal Scientific Study of Literature, Washington and Lee University professors Chris Gavaler and Dan Johnson set out to measure how identifying a text as science fiction makes readers automatically assume it is less worthwhile, in a literary sense, and thus devote less effort to reading it.

    1. leonadasiv

      “set out to measure how identifying a text as science fiction makes readers automatically assume it is less worthwhile, ”

      If that was their intent, I’ll wait for this study to be replicated.

    2. This explains why most elderly parent basement dwellers I have met are anime/sci-fi fans. I’m sold.

    3. Gilmore

      “”reading science fiction actually makes you read more “stupidly”, according to new research.””

      their definition of ‘stupidly’ seems to be, “enjoying one’s self”

      “intelligence” = struggling through The Sound and The Fury, and still remaining unable to explain it to someone afterward

      there is a misconception among most people that ‘good-literature’ (“smart”-literature) is “supposed to be difficult”. If it were easy to read, why anyone could read it (or write it), wouldn’t they? But of course they don’t. So they confuse turgid, dense, abstruse prose w/ literary quality.

      i think it stems from some initial feeling of anxiety or confusion they might have experienced as teens, being asked to read some 9th-grade Shakespeare or Jane Austin, and finding the experience unpleasant and overwhelming; for the rest of their lives they simply assume that, “unless you’re intimidated and confused… its probably not very good”

      1. Heroic Mulatto

        there is a misconception among most people that ‘good-literature’ (“smart”-literature) is “supposed to be difficult”. If it were easy to read, why anyone could read it (or write it), wouldn’t they? But of course they don’t. So they confuse turgid, dense, abstruse prose w/ literary quality.

        That’s the point of the study. The authors don’t think sci-fi is stupid, they are admitted fans of the genre, but they wanted to test the effect of stereotypes. In fact, they call some of the study’s participants stupid:

        “So when readers who are biased against SF read the word ‘airlock’, their negative assumptions kick in – ‘Oh, it’s that kind of story’ – and they begin reading poorly. So, no, SF doesn’t really make you stupid. It’s more that if you’re stupid enough to be biased against SF you will read SF stupidly.”

        1. Suthenboy

          So, water is wet? I am guessing that taxpayers are on the hook for this study.

          1. Heroic Mulatto

            There’s a saying in psychology and related fields that the results of a study will either be “Duh!” or “Huh?” It’s always nice to have empirical evidence to confirm widely-held folk beliefs. Even better to have evidence to falsify them.

            I am guessing that taxpayers are on the hook for this study.

            Probably not. I don’t see anything in the methods that would necessitate applying for a grant to afford it. SLD concerning Pell Grants and the like.

        2. Gilmore

          That’s the point of the study.

          Well, i’m sure if i actually read the article i might have noticed that. But who would do such a thing? (rubs monocle)

    4. Rhywun

      The elites have been trashing SF since the beginning of the 20th century. I guess it was time for another “study” to comfort themselves and tide them over until the next one.

      1. Heroic Mulatto

        Does no one actually read these articles? 🙂

        1. Number.6

          The article contained the words “airlock” and “antigravity”. Why would I want to read an article like that?

          1. Heroic Mulatto

          2. Number.6

            I won’t address the fact that both PieInTheSky and I also used those words, which presumably presages some kind of lexico-logical wormhole we’re all teetering on the brink of falling into.

          3. Rhywun

            wormhole

            Zzzz…

        2. Rhywun

          Not before I have my coffee.

  24. The Late P Brooks

    Ridenhour was charged with two counts of “indecent liberties with a student,” police said.

    Would have, “then”. Would, now. Which, given the multi-decade disparity in our ages, probably makes me a monster of sexual depravity.

    Oh, Toxic Masculinity, I am but a slave to thee.

  25. The Late P Brooks

    Oh, goody. Chuck Todd is here to lead us in another round of self-flagellation over America’s misogynistic roots.

    1. Gilmore

      America’s misogynistic roots.

      Turnips and carrots are oppressively phallic

  26. The Late P Brooks

    Senator Sorority Girl weighs in. INTOLERABLE!

  27. Count Potato

    “Ben Shapiro, a Provocative ‘Gladiator,’ Battles to Win Young Conservatives”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/23/us/ben-shapiro-conservative.html

    People are announcing they are cancelling their subscription to the NYT over this.

    1. PieInTheSKy

      well the nyt readers were not burdened with an overabundance of of rational though

      1. leonadasiv

        Yeah I’m confused. Are they angry because they wrote a story about him?

        1. PieInTheSKy

          ell to be fair they could have made it more clear he is literally Hitler

          1. PieInTheSKy

            So I noticed i mistyped well and then wondered why spellcheck did not warn me and then this

            An ell (from Proto-Germanic *alinō, cognate with Latin ulna)[1] is a unit of measurement, originally a cubit, i.e., approximating the length of a man’s arm from the elbow (“elbow” means the bend or bow of the ell or arm) to the tip of the middle finger, or about 18 inches (457 mm);

          2. Pi Guy

            *in Moses’ voice* Riiiiiiiight

          3. juris imprudent

            ping

          4. Lachowsky

            I already knew that because scrabble.

          5. I’d imagine the more common current use of the word is in reference to any “L” shaped fitting for pipes, conduit, what have you.

          6. Number.6

            Don’t get some of us started on hogsheads, minims, cubits, rods, poles, fathoms and pottles.

          7. dbleagle

            What about “cables”? A true blue ‘Murican cable and not one of those royalist RN cables, by cracky.

    2. leonadasiv

      He’s the next Milo

    3. Suthenboy

      “cancelling their subscription to the NYT”

      The more the better.

      1. whiz

        They will cancel their subscription as soon as all those people who said they would leave the country when Trump was elected actually leave the country (i.e., never).

    4. PieInTheSKy

      there was a freedom tunes thing with ben shapiro thanksgiving that was kinda funny. Anyhoo the guy makes some decent points but II still find many of his arguments lacking.

      1. Suthenboy

        He would be a lot easier to listen to if he would lay off of the coke.

      2. Number.6

        It’s not as though his prescriptions for improving America are unambiguously pro-liberty; at best, he’s a convenient ally, but he’s certainly worth listening to in between bouts of other we know people wanting to punch him in the face.

        1. egould310

          You lost me there at the end.

          1. You lost me there at the end.

            There is a reason for that:

            It’s not as though his prescriptions for improving America are unambiguously pro-liberty; at best, he’s a convenient ally, but he’s certainly worth listening to in between bouts of other we know people wanting to punch him in the face.

        2. Number.6

          … other people we know …

    5. Rufus the Monocled

      Where are you reading they would do that?

      I highly doubt NYT readers would do that for Ben Shapiro.

      He’s literally a Nazi you know.

      1. Number.6

        You’d think that the more historically woke critics of Shapiro would at least call him a kapo to eliminate some of the obvious dissonance that calling an orthodox jew a ‘Nazi’ creates in anyone with a three-digit IQ.

        1. +1 Susan Strasberg

      2. He’s literally a Nazi you know

        But, he’s Jewish….

    6. AlmightyJB

      The Plantation boundaries are clearly marked, you are not to even put your foot on them even if you are one of the slave handlers.

    7. Heroic Mulatto

      I’d cancel my subscription to the Times if I had one over the sheer chutzpah of calling a little nebbish like Shaprio a “gladiator”.

      1. Number.6

        Though he be but little, he is fierce.

  28. Pope Jimbo

    Little Pitino might not be the same caliber of coach his pops was.

    Despite having a 5 on 3 advantage for the final 10 minutes of the game, the Gophers only beat Alabama by 5

    Alabama lost their entire bench for coming onto the court during a fight. Then they had one guy foul out and another got hurt. That left them playing with 3. The Golden Rodents then managed to let one of their guards go on a scoring rampage.

    1. juris imprudent

      “I just figured out why you are giving me so much trouble. I’ve been fighting groups for charity and the moves you use to fight a group are much different from fighting one man.”

    2. AlmightyJB

      I can’t see anything about Gophers basketball without this coming to mind.

      http://m.startribune.com/hoops-brawl-made-for-one-nasty-night-in-u-s-sports-history/411419775/

      1. AlmightyJB

        “Ron Behagen: The man who stomped Witte unconscious played professional basketball from 1973-80. He recently was arrested and put on three years’ probation for allegedly stealing money from a sickly 68-year-old woman”

        https://ohiostate.247sports.com/Board/120/Contents/Where-are-they-nowThe-1972-On-Court-Mugging-of-OSUby-Minnesota-8756366

      2. Pope Jimbo

        Bill Musselman was an intense coach. Totally unsurprising that his team would do something like that.

        The T-woofs fucked up by letting him go.

  29. Pope Jimbo

    I blame MikeS.

    Polk county Minnesoda has the highest incarceration rate in our fine state.

    I guess when your county seat is Crookston, you tend to overreact a bit.

    OK. Maybe it is a combo platter of a dick DA and stupid laws.

    A MinnPost analysis of the Sentencing Guideline Commission data from 2011 to 2015 found Polk County accounted for half of the 83 people who pleaded guilty to possessing drugs in a park or school zone during that time.

    Once Dusek had a client who was pulled over in East Grand Forks and stopped near Sacred Heart School.

    “Had he gone up another block or so and pulled over, he was fine. But because he pulled over immediately because you see the red lights, now you’ve stopped in a school zone and now that comes into play,” Dusek said. “Is that what the intent of the law is? The answer is probably not.”

    East Grand Forks Police Chief Mike Hedlund said his officers mark locations within school or park zones when they write citations, but ultimately the decision to charge someone with being inside that zone is left to the prosecutors. He said most of the city technically falls within a school or park zone.

    1. MikeS

      I’m not taking the fall for this. The prosecutor sounds like a real prick.

      Widseth said his office strives for consistency.

      “We try to look at our cases and charge what is supported by probable cause and what we believe is appropriate in the case,” Widseth said. “And yes, we charge park zone changes. We charge them when they’re there. I know lots of counties don’t, and that’s the decision they made.”

      i.e. “Hey man, I’m just following the law. There’s nothing I can do about it.”

      Christ what an asshole.

      1. What prosecutor doesn’t sound like a real prick?

        1. MikeS

          Fair point

  30. Heroic Mulatto
  31. PieInTheSKy

    UK weather forecast: Britain braced for long period of cold weather as temperatures plummet

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/uk-weather-forecast-britain-braced-for-long-period-of-cold-weather-as-temperatures-plummet-a3701726.html

    so… winter?

    1. Heroic Mulatto

      When I teach international students culture or grad students intercultural pragmatics, I always point out that the Anglosphere loves talking about the weather in a way that most other cultures find rather strange. In part, this quirk arose due to the variable weather conditions of the British Isles, as compared to, say, the Mediterranean.

      1. Pope Jimbo

        Growing up in a place with lots of farmers also helps you think weather is important.

        Shoot, I still keep up with corn and wheat prices now, even though I live in the city and don’t know any farmers anymore. Just something that was an important topic growing up.

        This is what happens to those who don’t pay attention to weather: Armastice Day Blizzard in 1940 kills 145.

        1. Heroic Mulatto

          Growing up in a place with lots of farmers also helps you think weather is important.

          Again, depends on the weather patterns. My wife, who grew up on a farm in the supertropics, was befuddled by the concept of a “growing season” when we first came back to the States. Thailand is traditionally a country of rice farmers, but making small talk about the weather is absolutely strange there. Is it the hot season? Guess what, it’s hot! Is it the rainy season? Guess what, it’s rainy! Is it the cool season? Guess what, it’s still in the low 80s! Basically, people open conversations talking food. “You eat yet?” is their version of “How is it going?”

          1. Pope Jimbo

            Look, HM, I’ve lived in NW Minnesoda AND the Twin CIties. I think that is just as worldly as your experiences here and in SE Asia. I know what I know.

            And besides if you want to persuade me to your point of view, forget facts and data. Just post a twerking video and I’m on your side.

          2. Heroic Mulatto
          3. Pope Jimbo

            SOLD!

            Your arguments have won over another convert.

          4. Number.6

            Pope Jimbo will buy that for a dollar!

          5. Things grow in NW Minnesota?

          6. Gustave Lytton

            Something has to feed the mosquitos.

      2. Number.6

        I’ve heard it told (no citation) that a contributing reason was the overwhelming and pervasive importance of sea-going trade and – not surprisingly – Britain’s military defenses. Adverse weather could (and did) confine large numbers of ships in port, while threatening the lives and livelihoods of the crews of those still at sea.

        There were two or three seasons during the Royal Naval blockades of the Napoleonic ports that challenged the British ability to keep the French navy confined, failure to do this would have been considered a strategic disaster.

          1. Number.6

            We’re bad, but I don’t think we’re that bad. I’d need to see how she constructed the sampling, and I think it totally ignores the fact that for many, “weather” is just conversational noise, in the same way that a number of Americans ask “how ya doin’?”, or “how about dem Mets?”.

            Asking the average Brit “howya doin’” risks the questioner being told some home truths about bunions, hemorrhoids and whether that nasty carbuncle on their ass has drained yet. And that’s with total strangers.

          2. Heroic Mulatto

            That’s exactly my (and Fox’s) point. Just like a Thai really doesn’t care if you’ve eaten or not. But the choice of small-talk topics reflect the environment in which the culture arose.

          3. Number.6

            It does turn the initial 10? 20? paragraphs into a Seinfeld script though – it’s an article about nothing, until you get to the reveal (which I must admit, I didn’t have the patience to get to first time around. I had been so twatwaffled I lost almost all interest in the topic).

          4. Heroic Mulatto

            You expected more from the Beeb?

            I do recommend Watching the English though, the parallels she draws between British culture and Japan are interesting.

          5. Number.6

            I know, expecting more of the Beeb is just my youthful naivety conquering five decades of experience.

      3. Suthenboy

        I hadn’t thought of that before but it makes sense. It is the same here. The weather varies wildly so people talk about it all of the time. What is the point of talking about weather if it never changes?

        1. Heroic Mulatto

          In Saudi culture, it’s quite rude to complain about the weather. I’ve been told because it’s Allah that chooses the weather, but I suspect it’s really because some sheik got tired of some moron complaining that the desert is hot.

        2. Rhywun

          Same here in the NE.
          One year I lived in California and it was literally the same exact forecast for weeks at a time – boy was that weird.

          1. Playa Manhattan

            I can give you the forecast here for the entire month from June 20th to July 20th:

            High 76, low 73. Doesn’t matter what year.

      4. Count Potato

        “A London Mosque Called The Police On Me ”

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flRELYUqmUE

        Apparently, there are people in England who think there is no such thing as British culture.

  32. Pope Jimbo

    Uffda.

    This story about do-gooder refugees in Fargo, North Decoder was pretty run of the mill until I noticed this:

    Peter Saintal, 23, a second-generation refugee who went through the Legacy program and is now its president, said he “saw what poor looks like” when he returned to Haiti with his family three years ago. He said many people in Fargo would be surprised to learn they have neighbors who are suffering.

    What is a “second generation refugee”? Sorry, you can be the son of refugees, but that doesn’t make you a second generation refugee. Fuck, is being a victim really that lucrative in our society that you can make up new victim classes to join?

    1. Heroic Mulatto

      What is a “second generation refugee”? Sorry, you can be the son of refugees, but that doesn’t make you a second generation refugee.

      Tell that to the Palestinians. What are they, on generation 4?

      That having been said, I can see the term having meaning in contexts where the refugees reside in a country that doesn’t have jus soli citizenship

      1. Pope Jimbo

        OK, that makes a bit more sense. Of course, that means that there would be some expectation that this guy and his family ever intend to move back to Haiti at some point.

        I’m not going to hold my breath on that happening.

        1. juris imprudent

          North Dakota or Haiti – what a choice.

          1. MikeS

            How dare you sully the name of my fine state. Pistols at dawn!

            But let’s do it at your place. It’s f’ing cold here.

          2. Tundra

            Gorgeous here. Sunny and (for us) warm!

          3. MikeS

            Supposed to be mostly cloudy and 30 today. We’d be a little better, but we got about 10″ of wet snow a couple weeks back. The shit just won’t melt and is holding down our temps.

            I predict it will all slowly melt (most of next week is supposed to be above 32) just to tease us, and then we will get another foot of snow and it’ll be game over until March…or April.

          4. Number.6

            On the up-side, if you do it at your place, you won’t have to get up until mid-morning.

          5. MikeS

            Very good point!

        2. Heroic Mulatto

          I’m not going to hold my breath on that happening.

          If they came in during the 2010 period, Trump is showing them the door already.

          1. Pope Jimbo

            The 2nd generation refugee is 23. If we agree that that means that he was born here, they’ve already been here a super long time.

            Which I think probably makes sense. If he has citizenship by being born here, there probably isn’t too big a push to ever make his family repatriate.

          2. Pope Jimbo

            If he is playing for the Bison, he is pretty good.

          3. And a fucking criminal justice major.

    2. Lachowsky

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Poles_in_the_United_States

      During the Partitions of Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth (1795–1918), the Polish nation was forced to define itself as a disjointed and oppressed minority, within three neighboring empires,

      Fuckin A. I’m a 7th generation Polish refugee. Where my subsidy?

      1. The Last American Hero

        The Russians spent it on Communism and the filthy Swedes on national health care

    3. leonadasiv

      “is being a victim really that lucrative in our society that you can make up new victim classes to join?”

      Where have you been the last 18 months?

  33. F. Stupidity Jr.

    In last night’s links, Mythical Libertarian Woman was galled that her Teen Vogue covers had been out-ridiculoused by a real life one. She didn’t leave a link to the NY Post story that posted a picture of said coverso I found it and link to it now.

    1. leonadasiv

      Why did they pick such a dated picture of HRC? I mean it wouldn’t be that they think she’s a hideous monstrosity.

      1. Number.6

        The audience wouldn’t react anywhere near so well to a puff piece about Baron Harkonnen.

      2. Suthenboy

        I have a fetish for blondes but fully aware that they dont age well. Redheads more so. Hillary is really starting to show her age. They are going to trot her out in 2020 so prepare for lots of dated photos of her.

        1. The Elite Elite

          Really? I specifically don’t care for blondes, but I’ve noticed that they seem to be better looking when they’re older than most women.

          1. Number.6

            I think more than hair color, it’s level of pigmentation, which of course tends to be low in blondes and redheads.

        2. Count Potato

          Hillary isn’t a natural blonde. She had brown hair and brown eyes when she was younger. Fat drunks tend to age badly, regardless.

          1. Suthenboy

            I completely forgot about that.

    2. RBS

      JFC, she’s guest editing Teen Vogue?

      1. Number.6

        Finally, a role she’s qualified for. Chief propagandist for the Junior SJW League.

        1. Count Potato

          The Devil Writes Pravda

    1. Number.6

      You might think that, but I couldn’t possibly comment.

      OK, I will. For regrets, you need the ability to reflect upon your actions and apply a modest degree of objective self-criticism. Both qualities are in short supply in humans in general, in progressives, somewhat more so.

      1. Suthenboy

        Somewhat…yeah.

    2. Suthenboy

      “When they see the reality of their world of social justice and equality they wont like it very much.” – Yuri Bezmenov

    3. Pope Jimbo

      The interview with Pai on the 5th Column podcast was really good.

      You would think the big media shows would let him come on and talk about these changes. Except they probably know that he is a very good interview and wouldn’t fit into the “he’s an evil monster” narrative.

    4. Rhywun

      Someone there thinks it’s a false flag. I can’t even.

    5. juris imprudent

      JFC on a pogo stick – how goddam stupid can a human being get?

      The major opponents of net neutrality are the giant ISPs, like Comcast, who’ve been trying to undermine it for decades.

      There was no rule in place for decades. The whole fucking thing was dreamed up by progs who couldn’t stand that the Internet wasn’t subject to regulation. True, there was resistance for several years as this was debated until Obama essentially commanded the FCC to produce.

      1. leonadasiv

        “The major opponents of net neutrality are the giant ISPs, like Comcast”

        Yeah and major proponents are giant content providers like Google, Apple, Netflix and Amazon. That argument guess both ways.

      2. kbolino

        The whole fucking thing was dreamed up by progs

        No, it was originally concocted by technical Luddites who didn’t like the way the Internet post-NSFNet was developing. It became a social justice crusade long after it was already known in tech circles. There are a lot of non-progressive (but still, generally liberal) supporters of NN.

        That doesn’t make them right, mind you…

  34. Derpetologist

    Pakistan summons army after violent protests

    ***
    At least 8,000 police officers in riot gear and a paramilitary police force used tear gas and rubber bullets to disperse the crowd of 2,000 protesters, according to a New York Times report. The demonstrators tossed rocks with their hands or slingshots.

    Since Nov. 8, protesters have blocked a major road between Islamabad and Rawalpindi to highlight their demand for the resignation of Law and Justice Minister Zahid Hamid because of legislation that would scale back requirements for lawmakers to mention the Islamic Prophet Muhammad.
    ***

    Kind of funny that even some Muslims are tired of having to say “rasulullah sallallahu alaihi wasallam” all the time.

    1. Suthenboy

      Backwards doesnt adequately describe those people. Honestly they aren’t worth the bullets it would take.

    2. Old Man With Candy

      rasulullah sallallahu alaihi wasallam

      Put it together and what have you got?
      Bibbidy bobbidy boo!

      1. Suthenboy

        It is literally their version of Abracadabra. Every culture has it.

  35. The Elite Elite

    Mr. Macron said the powers of France’s television and radio watchdog would be extended to cover video games and online content as way to push back against pornography and content that promotes violence against women

    Ah yes, “violence against women.” How come that’s the only specific violence ever condemned? How come the idiots who come out and say “ZOMG, look at that new trailer for Last Of Us 2, it promotes violence against women” but never say “ZOMG, look at how this new video game promotes violence against men?”

  36. Economic analysis of unilateral divorce and its impact on assortative mating. Actually pretty interesting.

    http://www.anamreynoso.com/assets/AR_JMP_latest.pdf

  37. Tundra

    I know it’s fashionable to hate Ovechkin, but this is pretty cool.

    About an hour earlier, Luey, a cancer survivor, was sitting on the Capitals bench for the warmup when Ovechkin skated over to him.

    “I’m going to score a goal for you tonight,” Ovechkin told the boy.

    And then he went out and did it.

    By the time the first-period horn sounded, he’d done it again.

    And then, with nine seconds left in the third period, Ovechkin scored his third hat trick of the season to seal a 4-2 victory and complete the most storybook of nights for Luey.

    1. RBS

      +1 Birthday card for Big Stein.

    2. DOOMco

      hey tundra, Chirstmas present?
      There’s another 303 closer to you I saw, but it looked like it hadn’t gotten the aluminum body and was starting to rust.

      1. Tundra

        Sweet! How fun would that be?

        It makes me happy that such a thing exists.

          1. DOOMco

            oh that one looks fantastic.
            I’m looking at a few of the late 90’s subaru’s for a beater/fun car this winter.
            that site is also the only place I know of that has good old 4runners.

          2. Tundra

            A nice 2nd or 3rd generation 4 Runner would be a perfect winter vehicle.

          3. DOOMco

            that’s what I’m thinking. simple, no real desire-added value, great in the snow.
            they’re cheap, I just can’t get one in this are because of rust.
            looking south or west, drive it home.

          4. Playa Manhattan

            The 4 runner is possibly part of my future plans. That, or an FJ, or a custom Jeep Hellcat.

            5-10 year plan; still drive a minivan now.

          5. DOOMco

            an early 4 runner with the top off it just beautiful.

    3. DOOMco

      I don’t hate Ovechkin. Maybe Crosby.

      1. Rhywun

        Everyone hates Crosby but I haven’t been paying attention to hockey long enough to figure out why.

  38. Derpetologist

    today in bathos

    The Problem With Fake News Is That ‘People Want to Consume Information That Makes Them Feel Good, Because It Reaffirms Their Worldview’
    The challenge is that people’s relationship to information is entirely emotional. Disinformation agencies understand that psychology.
    By Amanda Marcotte

    ***
    If liberals want to counteract the impact of propaganda, it’s clearly not enough to keep quarreling about facts. The only way people build an immunity to right-wing propaganda is if they stop wanting to believe. It’s time to start shifting the conversation over to values, and convincing people liberal values are better.
    ***

    Good luck with that.

    1. Number.6

      Marcotte … said that

      … I can’t even.

    2. Rufus the Monocled

      They still don’t realize the CALLS ARE COMING FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE!

    3. Count Potato

      “By Amanda Marcotte”

      I see the problem right there.

    4. Suthenboy

      “liberal values…”

      So, unicorns?

    5. juris imprudent

      She might have better luck with that if she actually knew what real liberal values are – as opposed to the contemporary re-definition of the word “liberal” to mean totalitarian-cock-sucker.

      1. Suthenboy

        I didn’t say that but yeah, the words she uses dont mean what she thinks they mean. They have redefined and coded the language to the point where when they speak normal people get a meaning that is not even close to what the prog is trying to say. They aren’t liberals. They dont have values unless power mongering is a value. In fact, nothing in that article means what the words actually say.

        1. juris imprudent

          This is of course also why progs assume conservatives are talking code as well (since that is how they hide the racism). I finally shut a FBMFer down when he kept talking “will of the people” by citing that in writings from Mussolini, Berdayev, the German [non-National] Socialist party and a quote from Trotsky. He hasn’t said a word about it since.

    6. kbolino

      One of the key liberal values is freedom of speech, which means tolerating—as much as it pains you—viewpoints you don’t like or even find abhorrent.

      1. Suthenboy

        yes, that is a liberal value but it isnt what she means at all.

    7. John Titor

      Isn’t this the woman who complained about how Captain America wasn’t a raging prog and thus unrelatable?

      1. Suthenboy

        We often joke that her name is Amanduh and for good reason.

        This is just a repeat of Obama’s comment that people dont like his policies because he hasn’t explained them well enough. It is the height of stupidity and intransigence.

        1. Suthenboy

          With a heavy dose of arrogance.

  39. John Titor

    That’s it, we’re all doomed. Remember the Millerites?

    It’s odd how people who freak out about CAGW make sure to discuss it with elaborate events and meetings that require large amounts of energy to actually set up (with the government meetings a la Paris being the most egregious) instead of, you know, having conference calls.

  40. PieInTheSKy

    New York Man Hunts Deer After Sunset With Handgun . . . Kills Woman Walking Her Dogs

    https://jonathanturley.org/2017/11/26/new-york-man-hunts-deer-after-sunset-with-handgun-kills-woman-walking-her-dogs/

    No charges have been fired against Jadlowski. However, the law prohibits hunting after sunset. Moreover, Billquist was shot on land where Jadlowski was not authorized to hunt.

    This would not happen in civilized Europe.

    1. Suthenboy

      I immediately thought about the woman that ran her husband over and killed him while trying to ‘chase his attackers away’. Manslaughter at the very least. He was committing a crime and in doing so killed someone.
      Throw that motherfucker under the jail.

      1. Tundra

        I agree. What a complete fuckwit.

        We used to have a warehouse dude who would brag about poaching. The guy was such a piece of shit, I almost went against my personal code and ratted him out.

    2. Number.6

      I suspect there’s a negligent homicide bust coming to a place near Jadlowski real soon.

  41. Derpetologist

    today in clumsy satire

    Nazis Are Just Like You and Me, Except They’re Nazis
    https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2017/11/a-nazi-cooks-pasta/546737/

    ***
    ELKO, Nevada—“The water is almost ready,” he said, bending down to look for the little bubbles. “Once you see the bubbles rising to the surface, you know the water is hot enough to cook the pasta.”

    Steve Stevenson dispenses wisdom freely, though he is not a chef. He is 32 years old, and he drinks whole milk, and his tattoos are nonviolent. The kitchen spice rack contains only garlic powder. He wears jeans made of denim. The t-shirt on his back has a tag sticking out, and I read it as he leans in to eye the pot of water: “100 percent cotton.”

    Stephanie Stevenson is followed by a normal dog, who walks into the room with a slight limp, and Stephen pets it. He leans in.

    “The Jews control all the money, and the world would be better off if they were dead,” he says, petting the dog. “Who’s a good boy?”

    The question is rhetorical. I ask about the wallpaper.

    Some people disagree with Stevenson’s political views.

    “He’s a nice enough guy,” said the local grocer, Butch Tarmac, a registered Democrat. “He buys apples and pancake mix. I also like those things. But I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree on the bit about the one true race cleansing the soil and commanding what is rightfully theirs.”

    I ask if the kids go to public school.

    The Stevensons laugh.

    “The schools are full of coloreds,” says Stephanie, smiling wryly. Her teeth shimmer in the reflected glow of the neon and the flaxen colored nacho cheese. She is wearing a cotton-wool hoodie and her hair is in hasty ponytail, spilling out in places like spaghetti in a full pot, in an attractive way. “I know I’m not supposed to say that, I know it’s not P.C. or whatever, but they are.”

    She is wearing an arm band with an embroidered swastika.

    He adds that the song “Dude (Looks Like a Lady)” is feminist deep-state mind control. He instructs his kids to do violence to any boys who appear feminine.

    ***

    There are in fact many people in the US who hate Jews and gay people. Unfortunately for the prog narrative, many of these people are neither white nor Nazis.

    1. John Titor

      I’m going to guess that at least a dozen states list ‘step sister’ as their top hit before I click the link.

      1. John Titor

        Huh. Better than I thought, only five. The cartoon ones are worrying though.

        And the south really seems to love black people.

        1. Heroic Mulatto

          So basically to sum up the this country’s fetish: black teen lesbians.

        2. PieInTheSKy

          well you can sort of count the 4 step mom as well

          1. John Titor

            You know I was going to make a joke about Romania’s top porn search being ‘cousin’ but holy shit it’s so much better than that.

          2. Gross, wtf

          3. Impressive that none of the provinces/territories have any repeats.

            https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/49l9hd/top_canadian_porn_searches_broken_down_by/

            Alberta loves their breeders.

          4. John Titor

            Today I learned Prince Edward Island loves the kink.

          5. John Titor

            Felicity loves the nipple clamps.

            Hmm I wonder if there’s a market for S&M Anne of Green Gables…

      2. Number.6

        You’re so out of touch. Demi-incest is totes 2016.

        1. John Titor

          The amount of shitty ‘step sibling’ porn on major sites is just bizarre to me. I mean, alright, it’s not my fetish, but if it were would I really want it to be that badly acted?

          1. Playa Manhattan

            Do people even eat cereal anymore?

          2. The Elite Elite

            *raises hand*

          3. DOOMco

            honey bunches of oats. always.

            sometimes i pick up something chocolate because I’m a child and having cereal for dessert is great.

          4. The Elite Elite

            I had a bowl of Fiber One this morning.

          5. Playa Manhattan

            I just have leftovers from dinner the night before.

            Or, in this case, leftovers from last Thursday.

          6. S’mores cereal is good.

            Also, the Special K chocolate delight.

          7. Number.6

            Not having step-sibling, this is just speculation, but if it’s going to be believable, the step-sibling isn’t going to be awfully attractive. You grew up with this girl, so you saw her chewing food while talking, popping zits, calling you names, and wearing soiled clothing. Oh, and she fucked all your buddies too.

            Chances are that she ain’t gonna look very much like Margot Robbie at all.

          8. John Titor

            I’m not even aiming for a realism thing here, just that they’re so obviously not step siblings that if I were into that I’d probably be turned off. It’s the age of widely available amateur porn, you’ve got to do better than early 90s pizza delivery guy acting.

            The S&M and bondage communities manage to pull it off, and they’re way fucking weirder.

          9. Playa Manhattan

            Do you mean to tell me that 45-year-old step siblings aren’t still living under the same roof????

          10. Suthenboy

            All porn is badly acted. What amazes me is how people can actually fuck and have the whole thing come off as fake. I end up feeling like I am watching people brush their teeth.

            Actual Amateur home videos or GTFO.

          11. Playa Manhattan

            I’ll be over with my GoPro in 20 minutes.

          12. Playa Manhattan

            P.S. Don’t worry; it’s waterproof to 100 meters. No reason.

      3. Pope Jimbo

        It looks like most of the step sister/mom stuff is in the northern tier of the US. Maybe we are into that because it helps us justify our choices. After all it is too cold to go out to find sexual partners most of the year. So you go with what you got.

        We are searching for that incest stuff not because we like it, but because it helps us sleep at night.

    2. PieInTheSKy

      or at least the idea of lesbians. Just less hairy and hotter.

    3. The Elite Elite

      Wow, I’m surprised that ebony is also a rather big search. I thought most people didn’t find black women that attractive, and that I was just a rarity.

      1. Akira

        I noticed that all the ebony/black states have a high percentage of black people in their populations. I would guess that it’s some combination of 1) black people doing the searches, and 2) non-black people who see a lot of black women out in public and become attracted to them (maybe this is also explains the popularity of Asian porn in Hawaii).

        1. Playa Manhattan

          I assume that there’s some percentage of women doing those searches too.

  42. Pope Jimbo

    Is Nancy Pelosi White Knighting for John Conyers?

    WASHINGTON — House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi on Sunday urged “due process” before making conclusions about Rep. John Conyers, D-Mich., following accusations of sexual harassment, saying the 27-term Congressman is “an icon” who has worked to protect women.

    “We are strengthened by due process. Just because someone is accused – and was it one accusation? Is it two?” Pelosi asked on “Meet The Press.”

    Roy Moore says “WTF?”

    1. The Elite Elite

      Due process for me, but not for thee!

    2. Suthenboy

      Presumption of innocence is for right thinkers only. They aren’t even trying to hide their hypocrisy anymore.

    3. Playa Manhattan

      Lemme run that through the Pelosi translator:

      “Of course I know it’s 2 credible accusers; it was in the news all day. But I made a flippant joke about it anyway, because I only care about the issue of sexual assault when it will harm the Republicans”

    4. leonadasiv

      The hypocrisy doesn’t phase me. The gave that he’s been a Congresscritter for 54 years does.

  43. Playa Manhattan

    For those who were asking which Teen Vogue cover MLW was talking about last night, it’s this:

    This one is NOT a parody.

    1. DOOMco

      jesus.

    2. John Titor

      You know what, it’s still better than when Wired was guest edited by Obama. Clinton’s at least sticking with what she knows, utter horseshit said/written by women.

    3. CPRM

      I sure hope she didn’t write an article about buttsex in there.

      1. Pope Jimbo

        There is one article about sex with an asshole.

        But that is just her recounting of her wedding night with Bill.

        1. Playa Manhattan

          50/50 Bill isn’t Chelsea’s father. Ok, well, maybe not that high.

          1. Number.6

            That’s most certainly not a bet I’d go against, once I saw a picture of Webster Hubbell.

        2. Old Man With Candy

          As he moved closer, I gasped, “Oh Billy, put that crooked unit in me NOW!”

    4. Tundra

      It is, just not intentionally.

      1. Playa Manhattan

        Yeah, but MLW can’t compete anymore.

    5. PieInTheSKy

      meh adults somewhat choose what they read but political propaganda in a teen fashion magazine just seems off to me

    6. Number.6

      I love HRC’s channelling of Jesse Ventura.

      If someone asked me who she reminded me of in the movie, I’d think she’s more Predator than Blain.

      1. Number.6

        See, that’s why the WaPo is my go-to source for what I need to be reading. If it wasn’t for them, I wouldn’t know where to go for the Peoples’ Directive on MakeUp Removal.

        1. Playa Manhattan

          Even that phrasing was a little odd. She LOVES removing makeup, but no mention of putting it on.

          1. Number.6

            You don’t need to ‘apply’ ichor.

    7. AlmightyJB

      No one hipper than HRC to be sure

    8. I saw It Takes A Village authored by HRC, in the children’s section of Barnes & Noble yesterdau. Totally not a creepy choice for a children’s book. Just in time for Christmas!

      Kid: “Couldn’t you just have got me socks instead? “

      1. HRC is so dispicable and lacking in candor that my wife wanted her first voting experience to be a spite vote for Trump against her.

  44. Johnny Clamboat

    Hitler reacts to thoughtcrime at Wilfrid Laurier University:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93Qs2oiTx2Y

    1. AlmightyJB

      Lol

  45. The Late P Brooks

    Dear Hillary-

    DESIST

    kthxbai

  46. PieInTheSKy

    Ava Phillippe, 18, dazzles in gold couture gown at debutantes ball in Paris

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-5117895/Ava-Phillippe-18-dazzles-gold-gown-Paris-ball.html#ixzz4zYrbK15j

    wait debutante balls are still a thing? I never got one

    1. Number.6

      Nowadays, the debutantes can have balls.

    2. Playa Manhattan

      If that was a family tradition, and fortunately it isn’t, I would immediately put an end to it.

      Kids, you want recognition? Go out and do something that matters.

      1. The Elite Elite

        Punch a Nazi?

        1. PieInTheSKy

          use ben shapiro as a club to hit jordan peterson. two birds and all that

          1. Playa Manhattan

            “HEY!!!! I thought this was AMERICA!!!”

          2. Playa Manhattan

            “Reese, I’ve never had anything that I didn’t create for myself.”

            Said Mindy as she lied.

          3. DOOMco

            wasn’t she a producer, writer, and actor on the office? it must be hard for her.

          4. Playa Manhattan

            Between that and growing her own food, I don’t know how she has time for anything.

          5. That is a load of at least 5 Courics.

    3. Rhywun

      It’s a “society” thing, I thought. Hollywood is definitely “society”.

      Her date for the evening was the 19-year-old Maharaja of Jaipur Padmanabh Singh, a Polo playing friend of Prince William

      ?

  47. Pope Jimbo

    Uffda.

    I need to convince my wife to move further north. I could already be ice fishing!

    DULUTH, Minn. — Ice anglers eager to catch early-ice crappies are already hitting Pontoon Bay of Fish Lake, says Tim Wagner of Hi-Banks Resort near Duluth.

    “We’ve got 5 to 6 inches of ice,” Wagner said Wednesday. “We get about 30 cars a day here, guys walking down.”

    Understand that the cars aren’t on the ice. Nor any permanent ice shelters. Just folks shuffling down the ice with their portable fishing shelters, setting up for a few hours of action.

    1. I’m buying some land in Alaska this summer. Want in?

      1. Playa Manhattan

        Is it a timeshare on a cruise ship?

        1. The over-60 swingers cruise. Dinner at 3:30, orgy at 5, bedtime by 7.

          1. Playa Manhattan

            You like the ripping and tearing, eh?

          2. Nothing a little vaginal estrogen suppository can’t fix.

          3. Playa Manhattan

            Pictured:
            Q in Jamaica.

          4. How’d you get that video of me?

          5. DOOMco

            Charlie “Hey Mac, can an asshole rip in half?”
            Mac “Like tissue paper.”

    2. Playa Manhattan

      Crappies?

      You guys need to work on your marketing.

      1. Tundra

        Bad name. Great taste.

      2. Pope Jimbo

        Rhymes with Floppies. Which is what they do when you catch one and put it in the bottom of the boat.

        Seizures are known here as “doing the crappie flop”.

        * Crappies aren’t even our worse naming attempt. That would go to the eel pout.

  48. Lachowsky

    http://imgur.com/E1tiSaA

    Hey suthenboy. You were absolutely correct. My boy shot this one an hour and a half ago. Shitty picture because it’s too bright outside.

    he hit it broadside with a hollow point .223. Went through both lungs. he ran about 40 yards and dropped right in the pasture. We weren’t even planning on hunting until this evening. We were driving out to fill the feeder and spotted him in the woodline. My boy shot him from a rest on the tailgate from about 65yrds.

      1. AlmightyJB

        Nicely done:)

      2. Gustave Lytton

        Jr looks pretty happy too.

        Using the loader to hang it is the cherry on top.

    1. DOOMco

      nice! good to know the 223 can drop em quick.
      good shot by that kid of yours, too.

      1. Lachowsky

        I was kinda worried about .223 not being enough to get one down quickly. Suthern convinced me the other day it would be fine. My boy is really not big enough to handle much more. It worked out fine though.

        1. Playa Manhattan

          As long as you don’t go for head shots. It can be quite inhumane.

    2. Number.6

      … you monsters.

    3. DEG

      Excellent!

    4. Suthenboy

      Wow. I hope you are still around because I am late replying. That is freakin’ beautiful. You get the Dad of the Year Award brother. What rifle is the .223 he used?

      I just got back from the grocery store. I live in a town where people park at the grocery store and leave their cars unlocked and running (air on if they have a dog) and no one touches it. In the lot this morning there was a truck with a buck tied on the toolbox. I was looking at it when the owner came out and we chatted a bit. I wasn’t sure it was a whitetail. It looked like one but it was a monster. The guy said it weighed in at 245 lbs. Amazing.

    5. Suthenboy

      Hey Lachowsky, check this guy out. His site is worth looking over. Good hunter and good intentions in the kitchen but needs some help. I am going to be making some Venison/mushroom red wine and garlic sauce pot pies tomorrow. I used him for inspiration and then made it more palatable.

        1. Suthenboy

          I am looking at that plate and thinking those green peas were soaked in lukewarm water and served up.
          Boil to soft in chicken stock with butter, salt and black pepper. For fucks sake put some spice in your food. Is he allergic to basil and thyme?

          1. Number.6

            Never forget that Australian cuisine is largely derived from British cuisine, and frequently post-war British cuisine.

            Hence, lumpy mashed potatoes made from potatoes. And if you’re lucky, a little salt and perhaps a drip or two of milk.
            Carrots. Those look fresh, but rejoice they ain’t mushy and from a can. Probably boiled to neutrality.
            Peas? Possibly canned, more likely, Birds Eye Frozen peas with mint essence. Boiled or microwaved.

            This does not bode well for the piece de resistance.

            Let us remember, the only herbs the British acknowledge are mint, sage and parsley.

    6. Pope Jimbo

      Congratulations!

      We just sous vide’ed a bunch of the tougher front quarter pieces from this year and they turned out great. You are in for some good eating this winter.

          1. DOOMco

            sorry, what were we talking about?

    1. AlmightyJB

      A Dr. Beran did Lasiks surgery

  49. Derpetologist

    Prager goes off in the deep derp end.

    If There Is No God, Murder Isn’t Wrong
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrcQ_PTkVD4

    Most of things that get called Judeo-Christian values are actually Enlightenment values. There’s a reason why the abolition movement came after the Enlightenment and not before.

    I hate it when people run to the front of the parade and then pretend they were leading it.

    1. John Titor

      This also tends to just make you look bad because you’re basically admitting the only thing keeping you under control is the fear/pressure of an authority figure.

      1. peachy rex

        Rather like Lerner arguing that her testimony should be kept sealed because people might murder her if they knew what she had done. If that’s your *defence*, you’ve been very naughty indeed.

      2. Akira

        Yea, tell me about it. I had some hardcore apostolic father forbid me from dating his daughter because “we’re undeniably near the end of times, and the Bible is clear about believers and non-believers in relationships“. This was in 2006… Guess the ol’ Rapture Train is running late, old man?

        Of course, we tried to see each other behind his back, but in addition to it being a somewhat long-distance relationship, he was an absolute totalitarian parent, so we couldn’t make it work. Damn shame – I was SO close to hittin’ that ass (and she was also a lovely person with whom I really connected, blah blah blah).

        He also said, “if you don’t have the Bible, how do you get any morality??” It’s just the old Clockwork Orange morality question: is someone really a good person if they’re just held in check by the threat of punishment?

      3. Suthenboy

        No John, it doesnt make them ‘look bad’. They are horrible people and they are unknowingly telling you so.

    2. AlmightyJB

      There is no God therefore Supernatural Good and Evil do not exist. Correct.

      1. Counterpoint: boobs. If that’s not evidence enough then I don’t know what to tell you.

          1. AlmightyJB

            Cute

        1. AlmightyJB

          How about I cut out the middle man and worship boobs directly

          1. DEG

            That is a capital idea.

          2. Derpetologist

            That’s what Stone Age Europeans did.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_figurines

          3. AlmightyJB

            Thicc

    3. juris imprudent

      Yeah that Judeo-Christian values bullshit sets me off.

      First off, most of Christian theology is repackaged Greek pagan philosophy. Find me a passage about the eternal soul in the OT. You mean it didn’t exist before Jesus came along?

      Also, kingly rule is the Biblical norm. Find me an example of democratic/republican governance in either OT or NT. And citizenship is a straight-up pagan Roman idea – a rather brilliant one I might add. The OT was pretty clear about being in the tribe or being out of it.

      1. John Titor

        Not to mention even their concept of ‘Judeo-Christian values’ is a fairly recent idea in terms of cultural and historical development. I mean, go back to the 19th century and tell a Gentile they practice ‘Judeo-Christian values’ and see the result (actually, you don’t have to, because Nietzsche did it in On the Genealogy of Morals and he kept getting pissed about anti-Semites quoting him out of context).

      2. Suthenboy

        I think you are being overly harsh. Enlightenment values are evolved from Judeo-Christian values. Sure, the Xians didn’t invent them but they did popularize them and even though it took a while they were off and running. You cant go around saying all men are equal in the eyes of God without someone eventually suggesting that they should be equal in the eyes of the law. It is no accident that the enlightenment occurred in Christian nations and not Buddist or Islamic ones. Of course it is a complicated recipe but Christianity was an essential ingredient.

        1. juris imprudent

          The Enlightenment was the successor to the Renaissance, both of which are built on pagan Greek and Roman thought. The Renaissance precedes the Reformation, and the latter is more of what informs modern Christian values than the medieval Church. Yes, the notion of the individual in his relation to God vice the old Catholic priestly mediation is significant, and the divine right of kings pretty well died off in the countries that went Protestant. So too did the bloody wars of succession that were common enough before (with both sides invoking God in their cause). The secularization of govt as distinct from the temporal control of the church strengthened both institutions. I strike harshly to remind the faithful that their own notions aren’t directly traced to the one book they claim is the guidance for all.

          1. MikeS

            I strike harshly to remind the faithful that their own notions aren’t directly traced to the one book they claim is the guidance for all.

            Thank God.

          2. Number.6

            Hmm, you know who else struck harshly to remind the faithful?

          3. Suthenboy

            Charles Martel?

          4. MikeS

            Jim Jones?

          5. Suthenboy

            Ugh. Fail.

            It’s Pope Julius II isnt it?

          6. juris imprudent

            Francis Walsingham?

          7. juris imprudent

            Although Pope Innocent III would be an acceptable answer also.

          8. Number.6

            Sorry, you guys are way off.

            I was thinking of Sithrak.

    4. The Elite Elite

      “If There Is No God, Murder Isn’t Wrong”

      Okay, how do you justify saying murder, theft, etc is wrong without a god? How is morality not subjective? There is no such thing as objective morality. A god that can eternally punish/reward people’s behavior is the closest you can get. Without that, how do you justify telling someone that killed another person for his things they did something wrong/immoral? How is morality not just a personal opinion?

      1. Number.6

        Isn’t it funny that even the ancient Greeks got this right, without the benefit of monotheism, only overseen by a largely uninvolved and disinterested gang of gods who weren’t exactly averse to bloodshed and widespread mayhem.

  50. DOOMco

    Miami fumbled that ball. should be 21-0

  51. DEG

    Remember the Millerites?

    Unfortunately. I have relatives which were Seventh-Day Adventists.

    I was surprised the article didn’t mention anything about Trump.

      1. DEG

        That’s a much better millerite.

  52. Gotta use the last premade pie crust, another quiche! Spicy Calabrese salami, piccante provolone, fresh thyme, and chopped dried porcinis. This is gonna be tasty.

    1. Playa Manhattan

      I have 1 crust left.

      I don’t like quiche (it was almost a punishment growing up).

      I’m thinking a ridiculously over the top dessert, but nothing specific has come to mind yet.

      1. Make a Canadian pork pie.

      2. Damn, I haven’t had Kentucky Derby Pie in like 10 years, and I’ve been craving it for a week. I almost never care about desserts.

    2. Akira

      Awesome.

      I’ve been making a lot of meat pies lately. One good combination was leftover roast pork, onions, and thin apple slices. Season with a little nutmeg and Worcestershire sauce… Good stuff.

      1. Delicious.

  53. DEG

    I stumbled on the episode of “High Performance Throw Down” where they worked on Alamanian’s Marauder while visiting relatives over Thanksgiving. That is a nice Marauder. RIP Almanian.

    1. Gustave Lytton

      *pours out ballot box on ground in Almanian!’s memory*

  54. Derpetologist

    Prog is asked to put his money where his mouth is; hilarity ensues.

    https://youtu.be/0gbog0B9On8?t=2m

    1. An unnecessary scarf adds 10 IQ points.

      1. MikeS

        Kinda like this pretentious ass. (link for my Minnesoda friends)

    2. Akira

      “Society should provide X” = “Everyone other than me should pay for X”

      1. PieInTheSKy

        nono just the rich. why are you shilling for the rich

        1. Because I’d like to count myself among them at some point in the future.

        2. Akira

          Naturally, “the rich” is a term that eventually encompasses even poor people. Back when I was making $11 per hour and paying $135 a month for a shitty “marketplace” health insurance plan, I had an ardent Obamacare supporter tell me, “well, we should spread the costs of healthcare to everyone anyway“.

          Gee, that wasn’t what was promised when this shitpile was being debated. We were repeatedly promised that “only the rich would pay more”. Well, that apparently means that someone making roughly $22,000 per year has to pay $1620 of that for some insurance that he may not need, want, or be able to afford.

    3. Suthenboy

      That guy is either acting or he is batshit crazy. I am guessing the latter.

      1. John Titor

        Actually he’s pretty damn mellow for those guys. No screaming or freakouts, sure he dodges questions but at least he’s actually willing to engage correctly. He’s just kind of dumb and obviously regurgitating talking points.

        1. Suthenboy

          It is the robotic way that he parrots those talking points. It reminds me of the mentally ill on medication. I am betting batshit crazy on a hair trigger. Push him just enough and he will do a 180 and tackle you, scream and bite your ear off.

    1. what happen? Didn’t the first batch of prohibition solve all problems?

      1. F. Stupidity Jr.

        It’s all those damn guns from Indiana.

      2. Number.6

        “We will win the War on Guns, and again, after a few years, we’ll win the next War on Guns. We’re gonna be so successful that we’ll two or three Wars on Guns every decade, and we’ll win every one of them!”

    2. Suthenboy

      It is funny how the jackboot has to be applied ever harder.

      1. Number.6

        The sole-print on their throats needed renewing.