ZARDOZ SPEAKS TO YOU, HIS CHOSEN ONES. AFTER RETIRING FROM FIGURE 8 RACING, ZARDOZ FEELS NEED TO DO SOMETHING WITH SPARE TIME. DELIVERING GRAIN IS GOOD, BUT ZARDOZ FEELS A DEBT TO NEW HOME OF IOWA. MAYBE ZARDOZ COULD TRY …
WITH FLOODS ACROSS CENTER OF MANY BRUTAL LIVING AREAS, ZARDOZ COULD HELP. ZARDOZ WILL GO TO NEAREST RECRUITING STATION ON MONDAY. IN THE MEANTIME, HE GIVES HIS CHOSEN ONES LINKS;
- BRUTALS IN OREGON GET UNIQUE OPPORTUNITY
- HISTORY RETWEETS ITSELF
- NOSTALGIC BRUTALS REJOICE
- MORE GOOD NEWS FOR BRUTALS (WHO MIGHT LIKE BAD NEWS)
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Basically a little chat room.
If you’re lurking at home on a Saturday night, hop in.
we also play cool games.
+1 PC master race.
I just built a new PC looking for some good games to stress test it. Haven’t had a gaming worthy PC in a while. Any suggestions?
What kinds of games are you into?
Really anything, but mostly FPS and strategy. I’ve been running through steam but just can’t seem to find anything that appealing.
Recent Total Wars have been (mostly) pretty good for strategy. My favourite still remains Shogun 2 but Rome 2’s a lot better than it was years ago (still doesn’t hold up to the original) and Total Warhammer has taken some directions I don’t like but is still functional and solid at least.
I have Total War Rome 2 but couldn’t get into it. Might give it another try. I love Total War Empire. Would love to see another or maybe a WWI era Total War.
Shogun 2 and the Fall of the Samurai DLC. It’s 1860s combat mixed with traditional Japanese stuff, so you can do that battle from the end of the Last Samurai. Best naval combat out of any of the games too.
I want a WW2 TW where I can actually build my own death camps and trains and have to make critical decisions like should I deliver bombs to the front or shuttle another 1,000 Jews to Auschwitz.
Prison Architect used to have a concentration camp/gulag mod but I don’t know if it exists anymore.
You could try Darkest Hour. Old, but there might be some mods that would let you make similar decisions.
I recommend Killing Floor 2 and GTA5. The multiplayer in GTA5 is… awkward, but it’s best for people you know so that you can run missions/heists together. The free play is pretty weak and often full of hackers.
For strategy, EU4 is still one of my favorites. I have 500 hours on Rome: Total War 2, but 95% of that is with overhaul mods, which imo, is the only way to play TW games.
Fistful of Frags is still fun & silly free FPS.
Responding late. Sorry, got caught at dinner.
Battlegrounds is a work in progress but so far very fun. fps with some strategy. games are quickish, but online.
I’ll be getting Squad at some point off steam. I still play BF4.
Strategy games, I am a fan of Civ. 5 is great, beyond earth felt different enough, and the water cities you can make and move really put a spin on it.
I am still a fan of TW Rome. I hated the second version that came out. They improved graphics and some small positive changes but messed everything else up. I gave it a couple of chances years ago and then went back to the original.
Twister?
My PC can technically handle any game, but I’ve got bad memory somewhere I need to weed out, either RAM or the HDD. Every hour or so it will freeze for a minute or so. Haven’t been able to test where the problem is yet.
bad sector on drive ?
at least that sounds like what i remember. You can use disk-util software (run->Chkdsk) to find them and write permanent excludes so that you can avoid the hangups. but i don’t think you can ever format them out.
Problem is CHKDSK tells me it’s all good; on the other hand memcheck crashes before giving a report, so I’m leaning towards RAM, but havn’t felt like swapping one by one to find the bad stick yet.
yeah, that sounds like it.
On the other other hand, my CPU model is prone to overheating, and has done so before. That could also be the problem. Just been too lazy to test all the possibilities, and not really in a position at this time to afford to fix what ever the problem is.
Does it happen exclusively while gaming? If so id look at GPU and start with GPU drivers troubleshooting.
No. Happens no matter what I’m doing, sometimes even just internetting.
“MORE GOOD NEWS FOR BRUTALS (WHO MIGHT LIKE BAD NEWS)”
Fuck, I thought it was Modest Mouse news.
did you crash your car?
It was so disappointing when they threw in for Obama in 2012 and not the libertarian candidate. My favorite band, a sack of tools.
“sack of tools.”
Actually that’s a pretty good 90’s irony rock band
So the Lampshade isn’t on fire?
I love that song. Just ignore what they are trying to preach about.
Follow-up to the whole Rand Paul/Medicaid brouhaha. McConnell was apparently telling “moderate” Senators that the cuts wouldn’t happen and not to worry about it. Don’t know if I’m the first to bring that up as Ken keeps referencing arguments presented on how the cuts were theoretical. But it seems like a lot of other bullshit that gets passed with future promises that no one expects to keep to me.
Poor, poor Ken….
All Paul asked for was a clean vote on repeal, something the GOP kept claiming they were trying to do when they knew it had no chance. He’s calling them out which someone should be doing.
Grow some balls GOP
https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/342981-rand-paul-opens-door-to-backing-healthcare-bill-on-key-hurdle%3Famp
“Grow some balls GOP”
How can they grow something they never have had?
It’s all the rage nowadays.
You can grow old, can’t you?
Exactly. He’s the only one who gets it: the Republican base isn’t voting for a fix, or a compromise, or a tweaking, or a correction. They want to go back to when their insurance was actually good insurance that they could afford. That’s what they want.
“The Batman”?
For the love of god enough already
You draw the line at ‘The Batman’ after we’ve had an Antman and upcoming Black Panther and Moon Knight movies?
Well, I don’t watch any of the comic book movies. Having said that, I’ll put in a controversial statement:
The Big Lebowski is seriously overrated.
I don’t disagree. John Goodman basically makes the movie for me, Jeff Bridges has a few good lines, rest of it is pretty meh.
See, Goodman irritated the hell out of me. I wanted everybody to beat the crap out of him.
Never seen it.
Is not a movie you watch to take serious. It’s a movie you might have on the TV while you’re doing other stuff.
False. The Big Lebowski is the second best comedy of all time, after Ghostbusters.
Wow. So where does that put actual “best comedy” contenders like Caddyshack, Blazing Saddles, Monty Python and the Holy Grail, Airplane!, etc, etc, etc…?
After them.
I agree that the BL is a great film and put it in the top 5, but Mike is correct that there are other strong contenders for best comedy evah. I think it depends on the crowd and situation. I think that “A Lion in Winter” works as both a drama and a comedy, but if you weren’t enduring a tough marriage or relationship the humor might fly past you.
I drew the line around Superman 3 or so. I don’t like superhero movies. But the recent reboots and remakes and sequelmania is just getting ridiculous.
Wonder Woman was fun
The fuck’s a Superman 3? *googles, reads plot*
Oh. That’s pretty dumb.
You’re in luck, Razorfist is arguing that comic book movies will be mostly dead in a decade or two.
And 10 years after that they’ll start recycling them again.
His argument is actually based on how Hollywood goes through genre cycles. You don’t get the same amount of film noir or Westerns you got in their heyday anymore, instead it’s usually just a couple a year at most.
Look at dystopian movies though. They were big in the 70s and they’ve come back at least as strong if not stronger.
Remember that the Maltese Falcon is the third film version in 10 years.
Yeah, I could see them being mostly done by 2030. Of course, by then the Marvel Cinematic Universe will have finished its final film, with plenty of room to spare even if they decide to add more films to the list of already planned ones. I’m not sure DC’s film universe will survive to make it to that point though.
Deadpool is great. And i dont genrtally like superhero movies. Or Ryan Reynolds
I actually don’t mind Affleck as Batman.
It’s all the stuff around him and the script that tends to suck (but that may have solved itself now that Snyder’s on a break after his daughter sadly committed suicide).
I like Affleck as Batman. I really thought beforehand that I wouldn’t at all but he surprised me. I like the grittiness he brings to the role which is something I would have never expected from him. I think the fact that they haven’t brought in a romance component yet probably helped to separate his character from earlier roles.
They haven’t brought Matt Damon in yet?
They should since he would probably work for free since he doesn’t care about money and all of that nonsense.
I will watch but only if it’s this Matt Damon.
https://youtu.be/gnPWJOJYVKc
I don’t know. Crazy Matt Damon Insterstellar was pretty entertaining.
Both MD and BA were excellent in “Dogma”. I recently watched it with a serious Catholic who had never seen it and she was howling with laughter. Of course she and I have made a significant number of laps around the Sun so she remembers the Baltimore Catechism. I like the movie if for no other reason to see Salma Heyek and Alan Rickman.
I would legitimately like to see Affleck do some of the famous Killing Joke scenes.
Affleck as Jaz? Talk about miscasting.
Separate the actor from their politics and all, but I just can’t look at Affleck’s face and not see that, “It’s racist! It’s gross!”.
Affleck’s Batman might have been about the only decent thing about that movie, honestly.
Zardoz, be sure to insist on the neck measurement. You may not pass the weight standards.
Although, since you float, you can put whatever weight on the scale you want.
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You know your screwed when you get:
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Dammit, I forgot that the first 10 don’t count.
Woo hoo! I forgot that the first 10 don’t count.
“You can sleep easy tonight because ZARDOZ is on duty!”
Repaired a fence. Had to replace a couple of posts. I made the mistake of using a strong line and level, when I should of just got drink, since that’s apparently how it was built in the first place. Seriously, I could of just tore the whole thing down and put up a new fence quicker than making this Escher drawing right.
String line. Sigh
I put up a new towel bar under the window last weekend using a level. Looked off after I was done. Measured vertically then took a level to it. Window isn’t level.
Yeah, rookie mistake. Towel bar doesn’t care if it’s level. You want it to look level in relationship to the unlevel walls, unlevel ceiling, and unlevel window. The question is why did I commit a rookie mistake? I’ma blame Donald Trump.
If I had a towel bar under the window, it would be quite low.
Forget the fence entirely. Pretty much everything in life starts and ends here, doesn’t it?
Maybe that fence was built by the same people who built the fence on this house I bought. It runs along the sidewalk, so they should have a straight edge to work with, right? Nope. It starts out flush with the sidewalk, but as you go towards the edge of the property, it gets farther away. By the time you reach the neighbor’s yard, the fence is 4″ away from the sidewalk, resulting in this awkward strip of dirt where only weeds will grow and which requires weeding every month or so.
for dinner tonight, a salad
Lettuce from my garden
tomatoes from my garden
squash from my garden
onions from my garden
spinach from my garden
Ham from a pig I killed a few weeks ago
bacon from a pig I killed a few weeks ago
Store bought balsamic vinaigrette. I’m not proud of that ingredient.
http://imgur.com/dqljLcb
I ate at the Y last night.
It’s fun to eat there, isn’t it?
Always. I give it at least one star.
There’s no need to feel down.
You grow your own onions?
Fucking squash bugs killed off my squash again.
The best Batman was the Dad of the Bond movie producer. And no I didn’t make that up.
Cubby Broccoli’s father???
Michael G. Wilson’s Dad. Cubby’s wife’s ex.
Hollywood has never been original. Always been adapting plays and novels. And remakes. If they made a one-reeler on 1908 they might remake it as a feature in 1915. Then remake it again in the 1920s. And then for sound in 1930. Then remake it in 1940 or so thanks to either new technology or the Code. then remake it for color in fifties.
At least people were getting something new each time.
I suppose it depends on how you think of CGI and digital film then?
There were also all sorts of movie series. Six Thin Man films, a bunch of Boston Blackies, several hundred Andy Hardy movies, and so on.
I’m still ticked they got rid of Joan Hardy.
The Saint, Blondie, etc. Then think about serials.
mentioned in dead thread: grilled porterhouses. they were perfect.
I got an interesting challenge. Name a post-war decolonialist leader who either wasn’t corrupt, authoritarian or a Marxist. Is there one? My reading of African history wasn’t pleasant.
something something costa rica?
sarah wescott-williams?
she was 1st prime minister of sint maarten.
2010-2014. i was there first week or so of her rule.
I was told (credibly or not) that Botswana was pretty good, but I can’t think of the name of their leaders off the top of my head.
I recall Cytotoxic said that. He was referring to Seretse Khama who married a white woman and had their story told in a recent movie.
And I think I recall George Will or one of that crowd saying something nice about Cote d’Ivoire and its non-murderous, non-robbing leader at the time.
The basket cases are, of course, more likely to get the news stories. To the extent they think their viewers want to hear about poor countries at all.
Houphouët-Boigny?
Quezon.
Or does it have to be African? Continentalist much?
No it doesn’t have to be African.
So was BvS as bad as they say? Anyway Warner Bros had to have been disappointed at the gross. Failed to reach a billion World Wide and was out grossed domestically by Deadpool, Guardians of the Galaxy, Wonder Woman and almost by Suicide Squad.
It wasn’t great. And Affleck did not make a good batman unless you think batman reinvented as douchey frat boy is an interesting angle.
You’re a f**king coconut.
She probably could have stabbed him to death and earned less scorn.
I actually listened to that “shocking racist tirade” and she actually seemed to be making a point about how the black MP she was referencing was very wealthy and upper class, despite representing a poor area; that she was the child of a member of the house of lords, and had basically lived a very privileged life and had little/no connection with the class of people she pretended to be representing.
It came across as perfectly reasonable, aside from the coconut term, while i guess is like the UK’s version of Uncle Tom.
she=he
If she weren’t UKIP, but a Corbynista, hard to see her being criticized.
People seem to be making excuses for it because the guy on the receiving end is Labour.
Principals, not principles again.
Progs use the term oreo for the same meaning all the time. Of course her opponents are pretending to be offended and calling for her resignation or de-selection. So sincere. I mostly feel bad for people that buy in to that.
I kinda like her
I find it outrageous. Coconut? Don’t they have Oreos in the U.K.? Also, if an Asian acts white, are they called a banana?
You’d think coconut would be reserved for Pacific Islanders or something. Also, If an American Indian acts white, does that make them a Red Delicious apple?
Wow, there sure are a lot of things you need to know when you are a shocking racist.
they’re called Michael, Tim, Chris or Rick
Newport and Sinutab. Nice.
I first saw that infographic when the Onion was distributed by paper for free on the streets in NY, and it still makes me laugh today.
I grew up with lots of japanese and korean kids in my neighborhood and they were all named “Robert” and “James” and “Charles” and “Howard”, etc. Very angelo-American, very much aiming to be as normal as possible, even tho most of their parents barely spoke english. And they actually very much grew up acting like WASPs; it was like some conscious decision to mold themselves after this idealized American type.
The Italian kids who dominated nearby neighborhoods were in many ways considered “more-ethnic”. Because they had their persistent fugghetaboutit accents, their restaurants and supermarkets that catered to them, the vinnies and the paulies and the patsys and mikeys, and even if they came from rich families their kids all acted like working-class goons.
dont get me wrong, i loved them all, i just thought that it was hilarious how the Onion picked up on the ‘asians are more American than Americans’ joke.
Hint at how to spot a hafu if the physical characteristics don’t give them away: They are named Ken or Maria and have a sibling named Kai or Mari.
“half japanese”? never actually heard that before.
one of the girls i dated the longest (more than a couple of years) was half dutch/half chinese. Kay-lin. her brother was Kai, if i recall. something like that.
you probably couldn’t have guessed her background by looking, the only things she seemed to pick up from the chinese mom were black hair and a subtle difference in her skin tone. her brother looked 100% chinese.
They are named Ken
This is a hafu?
Kay-Lin. Don’t know about Chinese pronunciation, but generally parents of hafu kids avoid the “L” and “R” in the names. I wanted to name my daughter “Cinderella” just for the lulz. Ha-fu is considered racist by some parents. I DGaS. Google nyu ha-fu if you have time.
Do chinese have any of the L problems the japanese do?
I’m not sure in her case it mattered. her mom was chinese but raised in Hong Kong and had the most pristine posh-british RCP accent you can imagine. both her parents were theater actors.
HM knows, I’d bet. It used to be popular to get that flap of skin under the tongue cut in Korea to help with English pronunciation. Never heard of that happening in China.
Some do, some don’t – I don’t know the rhyme or reason to it.
It *might* have something to do with the region of China (or Taiwan) they’re from.
Mandarin has an ‘l’ exactly like English and an ‘r’ than is very similar to English and no confusion between the two. Other areas might be different. A Taiwanese guy I dated had big problems with the two.
Yes and no. For example, Cantonese has the “L” sound (alveolar lateral approximant) but it doesn’t have the “R” sound (postalveolar approximant). On the other hand, Mandarin has both the alveolar lateral approximant and something like our “R” sound (retroflex approximant). Other Chinese “dialects” have something like an “R” but no “L”.
@Rhywun
I was thinking Min Chinese was one of the ones that have “R” but no “L”.
Yeah, he didn’t seem to have an ‘l’.
How do you give head if you can’t make the “L” sound? “R” is no substitute, IMHO.
WTH? Two of the Black girl’s names sound like prescription drugs
Me
“if an Asian acts white, are they called a banana?”
They’re called Asian
Actually, yes.
The Global Times are always the classiest motherfuckers.
Dammit. Parallel thinking. Wait, I think like Chinese racists. As a white heterocisshitlord, that doesn’t compute.
Tomo News always likes to mock Zuckerberg’s Asian wife by portraying her as a banana.
That was… awful. Am I supposed to know who these people are or can I just forget I watched (some of) that?
Hey, don’t you talk shit about Taiwanese Animated News, they’re goofy and fun and the only person they seem to like in U.S. Presidential races is Ron Paul.
Ron Paul
So you hate the Koreans and Japanese?
So when Asians go bad they become Africans?
That’s how I read it.
I thought this podcast on the history of Britain would be cool. Duncan’s history of Rome was excellent and the guy claimed to be a fan. Within 2 minutes I’m being told that, “I’m not going to take the great man approach to history. Did you know half your ancestors were women?”. Aaargh.
When people do the ‘great man history is stupid’ argument, I only have one response:
Genghis Khan. Prove to me that history follows the exact same course even if he didn’t exist.
+ recurved composite bow
History the way it is meant to be heard. History is human. History is drama. History is our story, and it belongs to all of us.
Jesus Christ, fuck off. My kingdom for the cynical fuck historians I had educate me who’d roll their eyes at that nonsense.
It’s too bad. He probably has some interesting stuff in between his cuckistory, but I’m not that patient.
As I learned while getting my degree, there are two kinds of historians:
1. Historians who exist to twist historical evidence to support some kind of ideological, philosophical, or religious end.
2. Historians who are legitimately interested in the ‘truth’, spend all their time searching for it, recognize the inherent bias of our historical outlook and get very depressed. And drink a lot.
The first is to never be trusted. Even libertarian historians of that bent I kind of view suspiciously. History is the field of the cynic and skeptic.
“Even libertarian historians of that bent.”
Um
LIBERTARIAN MOMENT!/ gillespie
One of my degrees is in British literature. Talk about twisting the facts to support an ideological bent. I made it through by focusing on trivial details.
+1 Green Knight
Yes. And if those women had done anything of note besides giving birth to more of your ancestors, they’d be noted in history. Like say, Joan of Arc.
Another life ruined
http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/culture/dan-gainor/2017/07/20/alt-left-insanity-trump-ruined-bisexual-wedding-%E2%80%A6-winning
” I pleaded on social media for everyone who loves and supports me to please put their taxes and guns aside and stand up for human rights.”
Manipulative cunt. Fuck your love.
It totally sucks when you wake up one day and Trump turns you into an insufferable cunt.
It happened to Hillary. Oh wait. No, that was a preexisting condition.
at least it’s covere–
I may have posted this before but i’ll just drop it here again because it rolled into my playlist, and Petty Purdie just holds it down
HAHA! Suck it technology! Looks like the automation at my radio station still isn’t trusted enough, so this NFL season I’ll once again get paid to sit in the studio watching the Packer games in case something goes wrong with the computer. Just wish they’d let me drink on shift.
New York restaurant has one-drink limit policy for customers with kids
minorities and women hardest hit?
Saratoga, so it’s rich people.
Having to sit through coverage from the track every summer, I’ve found the horse set are just as bad as they claim the NASCAR types are.
Perfect example of a bill that libertarians and principled liberals should be fighting to the death to stop, but since the left is as unhinged as ever about the RUSSKIES, you’ll only hear lonely squeals from Rand, Massie, and maybe Amash.
There are principled liberals?
I mean a significant number of lefties openly think freedom of speech is outdated- even with Trump in the White House. And up until a few months ago the notion that the Republicans were being directed from Moscow would have dismissed as Bircherite lunacy.
You would think that with people like Bernie being really popular on the left, that there would be more of a distaste towards the use of sanctions in foreign policy. He’s usually a socialist loon, but he does have a principled liberal position on foreign policy. For example, he’s voted against Russian sanctions before, including earlier this year. You would think that more progressives would follow his lead, but apparently not.
That just shows they were right to anoint Hillary. Sanders was a Russian double agent too!1!!!11!!!
Bernie also favors the 1st Amendment and is friendly with pro-gun and pro-life Dems. RETHUGLIKKKAN APOLOGIST!
Nobody needs 2 political parties when there are children starving in this country (the only thing some people seemed to take away from Sanders’ run) AAAANDDD RUSSSIAAAAANNNNSS!!!!11!!!11!
It really does show that the committed Bernie progs that study and practice all of his ideas (not just cheer at the free shit) are a very tiny faction of the Democratic Party.
I’ve searched, but have yet to find anyone who is a prog based on any kind of reason, just mahfeelz!
And I do want to find someone who can explain it to me, I’m curious. But all conversations end with some version of ‘you would believe this to if you felt the same way on X position’.
The guy that runs Secular Talk on YT comes close to what a “principled prog” should support. His desire for free shit and gun control is all feelz, but he actually has a decent grasp on civil liberties and how bad the War on Drugs is. He is also against sanction-based foreign policy. He’s basically become my go-to guy for studying all of the prog talking points.
Unprincipled foreign policy helped the Dems for a century so why change?
Sure, but if you’re going to tell your constituents how progressive you are, you should maybe study Bernie’s positions a little bit harder, not just his love of single-payer.
‘I love Canada’: Syracuse teen’s car found after Toronto parking nightmare
In all my drunken and stoned states, I’ve never lost a car; don’t I deserve some media attention?
From that site: Florida teens who recorded drowning and laughed could be charged
I dunno about charging them with a crime, but they aren’t sympathetic victims. Kind of like the guy who drowned (yes, I’m judging him based on his picture).
I haven’t cared to actually follow that story. Did the kids withhold that video once there was an investigation? Only way I can see them getting charged.
I’d link to the story, but every time I try to copy the address it disappears. They don’t want it being linked to or I’m doing something weird. Never happened before.
An earlier story I read said they didn’t bother telling a soul about it. At some point they posted it to social media and someone let the cops know. Meanwhile, the guy was in the lake for something like 4-5 days.
even so, if the cops didn’t ask, they need not tell; wasn’t that the politically correct thing when Clinton instituted it in the 90s?
No, you’re right. They didn’t have to tell. And, apparently at least one of them readily admitted it to the cops when asked…and showed zero remorse.
I don’t think these guys belong in jail, right now. But in all likelihood they will get there sooner than latter. I just hope that when it happens it doesn’t involve them creating a dead body on purpose.
Funny that the first comment on the article right now is about him blocking an electric vehicle charging point for 4 days and not getting a ticket. Guess those things really don’t get used.
Speaking of history I’ve read quite a bit that suggests that the World Wars basically killed off classical liberalism.
For example the draft showed that the people are the property of the government and can force them to do things for the greater good. And what happens when they return? Do you want the returning heros who saved the World to be poor, homeless, uneducated and unemployable thanks to injuries?
And the war economy convinced a lot people that Central Planning works and if only we did the same things in peacetime…
I’d say 1912 did in classical liberalism before any WW
You mean Woodrow and Teddy?
sorry, 1913
amendments 16 and 17 both ratified in 1913
Income tax, and popular election of senators, as well as the fed all in 1913.
Yes those were pretty bad.
It was one fucked up winter break.
So can anyone define “liberalism” for me? Quite a few libertarians mention it and how they want to bring it back. But what do they mean? Is it classical liberalism? New Dealism? Great Society? George McGovern? NAFTA NATO and immigrants?
If a libertarian mentions liberalism (classical liberalism), it is the ideas of the enlightenment. A person owns themself, all power of government is only ceded to government by the people en mass by relenting certain individual freedoms be collectively the domain of the state. The state has no right an individual does not hold, only those rights ceded by individuals to the state. The proper place of the state being to maintain rights, and defend the state from outside aggression. ‘Liberalsim” as the news has used it for the last 50 years is whatever the democrats happen to be up to at the moment.
CPRM said it way better than I did
I know that monnanite is giving me the finger, but I like how it also looks like it’s point at my my post and saying ‘he’s right’
I hope you can see this, because I am doing it as hard as I can.
Yes. I’ve seen it said before that modern progressives appropriated the word. Many of the underpinnings of libertarianism are he writings of people who are considered classical liberals.
At least that is my understanding. I’m a recent convert. 🙂
I mean if they are using “liberal” to mean classical liberalism than they talking about a definition of “liberal” that hasn’t really been in use in the US since the 1890s.
50 years ago, so one long generation, the hippies were liberals, they believed in free speech, they created communes, but not by force, only by people voluntarily ceding their rights to others. So, they were liberals, but then seemed to get hijacked by the rest of the left, trying to force their beliefs on everyone else.
This is why I always like to tell people that being socially liberal (like I am) is different from being socially leftist.
20 some years ago when I first really started getting into politics, I used to say ‘I’m so far right that I’m left’, meaning I believed the state should be so small that social liberalism would happen. If I said that to anyone today, they would look at me like this.
Oh boy “social liberalism” is another confusing term. It original meant liberals who rejected classical liberalism in favor of socialism lite.
And libertarians use it to mean “government leaving people alone” which doesn’t reflect many today.
And even in the US it always meant gun control and the welfare state.
Winston, not ‘social liberalism’, ‘socially liberal’ WAAAAAAAY back in the 90s that was a thing that meant socially you let people do what makes them happy (I’ll add the stipulation within the law, but it wasn’t always, like paying for sex and smoking pot)
liberal, having the root liberty, was still kind of sort of a thing in 90s when used in terms of society.
My father is adamant that libertarianism is the same as being far right, even though I have pointed out the inconsistencies a million times before. It’s always about my gun position and my “get the gov’t out of marriage” stance that confuses him, I think.
Part of the problem with the social liberal/social conservative dichotomy is that what we think of SoCons on are mainly Catholics and Southern Baptists who until recently were avid Democrats. And they were oppposed by the heavily Republican Mainline Northern Protestants who were major influences on modern Progressivism and were big busy bodies themselves.
Well, back then horseshoe theory was a more prevalent thing, since the left hadn’t fully jumped on the statist/authoritarian bandwagon back then. The line between the progs and the nu-right is a lot clearer now.
What I mean is the Democrats have been the party of William Jennings Bryan, Woodrow Wilson, FDR and LBJ. So they hadn’t been “classical liveral” since the 1890s.
Also didn’t you say that classical liberalism died in 1913? This was 50 years before the hippies.
Things don’t always die quickly. After 1913, classical liberalism was dead in both parties (progressivism actually started in the republican party, Wisconsin to be exact) but the idea kept afloat in the population, aspects showing up in people belonging to both parties. As the hippies started to think they should use force to make everyone agree with them, a little movement started and by 72 was called libertarianism.
Dave Rubin and John Stossel are modern examples of classical liberals. Both started out on the left but slowly realized that mainstream leftism was full of contradictions and insanities and that it no longer stood for free speech or liberties of any kind.
The issues you guys have noticed with the left are nothing new. The term “left-wing” originally referred to guys like Robespierre who supported civil liberties – except for his enemies, opposed war – until he came to power that is and supported price controls.
OT Cool tidbit. I was taking the dog-clippers to my head in the side yard (as one does every four months or so) and noticed one of our resident squirrels watching me from my boat parked under the spruce. I went inside to check for missed spots and what-not and came outside to discover the little fucker absconding with a bindle’s worth of my shorn hair. Little scamp.
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Took this pic today near Tokyo station (Ochanomizu) and decided to make it into a meme. Screwing around on a Sunday night.
Not bad. I’d have also thought that place would be a lot more crowded on a Sunday.