Firearm Friday – Introduction to Long Range Precision Rifle Shooting

 

Everyone loves to watch snipers in movies and TV shows make ultra-long shots undetected, then slip away. Anyone who’s seen the movie “Shooter” with Marky-Mark remembers the cold bore shot at a can of stew a mile away. First round hit? Yeah, right. That’s maybe a 2% shot, never mind his now-deaf dog. Just like most everything else in Hollywood, what you see is a very simplified version of what’s necessary to successfully hit a target farther away than most track and field events.

Long range rifle shooting has a lot of moving parts that must come together perfectly, or you’re going to miss. In this article, I’ll be covering the absolute basics of lingo, gear, and what’s necessary to make hits at distance.

My background: I’ve been shooting LR precision rifle matches for about 3 years. I was lucky to be employed by a precision rifle ammunition company and surrounded by some of the best in the industry, which jumpstarted my foray into the competitive LR world.

In LR competitions, typically called precision rifle matches, we typically shoot 1 to 3 MOA steel targets at 300-1200 yards from a mix of prone and alternate positions. Matches are broken down into 5-10 stages, with about 10 rounds shot in ~90 seconds. Top shooters usually have a hit ratio of around 80%. There are a ton of local and national level matches, loosely governed by the PRS. It’s unbelievably fun, and I highly recommend it.

Definitions

For those who don’t speak the LR lingo yet, I’ll define my terms.

Long Range: any shot taken that if the trajectory of the bullet is not accounted for, will result in missing the target. Long range is different for every rifle system and zero distance. What’s long range for .22LR could be a chip shot for .338 Lapua Mag.

Minute of Angle (MOA): an angular unit of measurement equal to 1/60th of one degree. It scales linearly with distance. For simplicity, we can define one MOA as 1 inch at 100 yards, 5” at 500y, 10” at 1000y, etc.

Ballistic Coefficient (BC): the ballistic coefficient of a projectile is a measure of its ability to overcome air resistance in flight. Longer, pointier bullets lose velocity more slowly than round, blunt bullets, resulting in less bullet drop and wind drift at the same distance. Less drop and drift leads to less trajectory calculation error and higher hit percentages.

Transonic Range: the range of speed between about Mach 1.2 and Mach 0.8 (typically 1275 fps – 850 fps) where a bullet’s shockwave transitions from completely behind the bullet to completely in front of it. Because this happens over several hundred yards, each bullet design has a unique transition through this range, leading to trajectories that may not line up with predictions. Typically, longer, higher BC bullets are worse through transonic. This is why a weapon’s “effective range” is listed to what yardage the bullet reaches transonic. I.E. a 308 shooting a 175 SMK @ 2650 fps at sea level hits transonic at about 900 yards, which is where the “308 can’t shoot 1k yards” and “308s drop out of the sky at 900y” nonsense comes from.

Equipment

Accurate, repeatable, precision equipment, like the gear required to make first round hits at 800 yards is not cheap. I’ll list gear in descending order of importance.

Ammunition – High quality, consistent ammunition loaded with the highest BC bullet available and temperature insensitive powder is the most important ingredient to successful long range shooting. Great ammo in an ok rifle can get you acceptable results. Bulk ammo in a top of the line rifle will have you all over the place at distance.

“Good optics.”

Optic – A good optic is essential. If you’re on a tight budget, I’d spend most of my money here. A $900 optic on a $300 rifle is a much better system than a $300 optic on a $900 rifle. You need precise, repeatable elevation turrets, a good reticle, magnification range suitable to your application, and clear glass. The fixed power SWFA mil quad scopes are a good budget option in the $300 range. I wouldn’t want anything less than a scope in the $8-1200 range, like a Vortex PST or a Bushnell DMR. Once you go above $1500, you get really good stuff. Zoom ranges I’d recommend are in the 3-15x to 5-25x range. Almost everyone in the competition world runs 5-25x, does most of their shooting on 15x, and their zeroing on 25x.

Rifle – A rifle capable of 1″ 5 shot groups at 100 yards is a good minimum standard. I’m not happy with a load for a match unless it’s shooting 0.5″ or less. I’ll go in depth on cartridge selection later. Rifles meeting the 1″ criteria can be had for as little as $300. I’ve seen Savage Axis rifles shoot very well. The Ruger Precision Rifle is a great deal if you’re looking for a more feature rich rifle in the ~$1200 range. Most competition precision rigs are custom everything and will run you in the $3-5k range.

Ballistic Solver – You absolutely, positively need to know your bullet’s trajectory to make first round hits. Thankfully, the app store has tons of solvers, most of which are very accurate with the correct inputs out to transonic. No more needing to verify dope every 100y (even though you still can to confirm). All you need is your bullet’s BC, your ammo/rifle specific muzzle velocity, and current atmospherics and you’re off to the races. I’m partial to the Applied Ballistics solver for $30, but there are other good options like Shooter for $10, etc. You can even get a small weather station with an anemometer (measures wind speed) called a Kestrel with ballistics solvers built in to give you current atmospheric corrected elevation AND estimated wind corrections.

Laser Rangefinder – Once your target is out past a few hundred yards, your bullet’s trajectory starts dropping rapidly. If you think your target is at 770y but it’s really 700y, you’ve just missed a half a foot high. You absolutely need to know the range to your target to make first round hits. Thankfully, a Sig Kilo 2000 will range to 1000-1400 depending on light conditions, and do it for ~$400. You can buy better rangefinders, but less expensive units might not get you out to the magic 1k yard mark, which is within the capability of most rifles. It doesn’t help to have a rifle that can outshoot your rangefinder. Ranging with a reticle is very slow and error prone, especially out past 500y.

Chronograph – Knowing precisely how fast your bullet is going is imperative to a good trajectory solution from your ballistic solver. The old school optical chronos are no match for either a magnetospeed or a lab radar. The former uses magnets to measure velocity, the latter uses radar. Both are sufficiently accurate and don’t run into the lighting condition induced errors that optical chronos suffer.

Bubble Level – Even a few degrees of cant in your optic’s reticle can have a significant effect on your bullet’s trajectory. A miss that’s initially assumed to be a bad wind call can often be the effect of a few degrees of cant in a shooter’s reticle.

There’s a ton more gear that I’d recommend buying, but as long as you have quality offerings of the above, you’ll have a solid foundation for LR accuracy.

Taking the shot

Seeing as though the equipment list above is a mile long, the process of making first round hits at distance is involved and surprisingly time-consuming. Here’s the procedure, assuming you’ve zeroed your rifle at 100y and have chronographed the lot of ammo you’re using:

1. Range the distance to your target

2. Use environmental indicators and/or a kestrel to estimate wind speed and direction

3. Enter range, wind speed, atmospherics, and direction of fire into your ballistic calculator (muzzle velocity and BC are already entered)

4. Either adjust your optic’s turrets to the solution provided or use the optic’s reticle to hold for the solution

5. Double-check environmental wind indicators for any changes and that your bubble level indicates a level reticle

6. Use solid marksmanship fundamentals and break the shot.

Once you’ve broken the shot, its imperative that you mitigate recoil as much as possible, using both proper fundamentals, and, ideally, a muzzle device that aids in recoil reduction, such as a muzzle brake or a suppressor. In the event of a miss, being able to see your bullet splash is all the information you’ll have available to make a correction. If you fail to spot your miss, your correction will be a guess, and likely an incorrect one.

This is where an experienced spotter on high-quality optics comes in very handy. He can be watching your bullet trace and impacts to call out immediate corrections for you to adjust and reengage.

An incorrect wind hold is the most common reason for a miss. Wind is very hard to read correctly, and at 800y, a typical 308 can have around 20” worth of wind deflection in just a 5 mph wind. Seeing as though an average man is ~18” from shoulder to shoulder, aiming center and missing that 5 mph wind call would put your bullet nearly a foot off his shoulder.

With a bit of practice and homework, you’ll start becoming a proficient LR shooter. I have to admit, watching your trace smack a piece of steel you can’t see with your naked eye is some seriously satisfying stuff.

Comments

179 responses to “Firearm Friday – Introduction to Long Range Precision Rifle Shooting”

  1. PieInTheSKy

    I also shot a gun once. Just told the story on the previous thread. There were bullets involved., Although I shot at maximum 50 meters.

    1. ArchieBunker

      How many yards though?

      1. Florida Man

        Roughly 50…

  2. PieInTheSKy

    Use environmental indicators and/or a kestrel to estimate wind speed and direction – what happens if wind varies? you measure wind where you are at but 200 meters further is different and another 200 meters it may change again. If you watch ski jumping wind can be very unpredictable

    1. invisible finger

      Like auto racing, the best part of ski jumping is the wrecks.

      1. Ditto figure skating.

        1. PieInTheSKy

          I watch figure skating for the Russian girls. Well I watch when i visit my mom and she is watching. Although some of the Chinese girls were pretty hot this year, but they look kinda young which makes me feel creepy. Anyhow last time I watched there was a Russian girl named Elena Radionova at a non creepy 18 years old which i found hot.

          1. Although some of the Chinese girls were pretty hot this year, but they look kinda young which makes me feel creepy.

            OMWC has a sad.

          2. tacticalpillow

            +1 forged birth certificate

      2. BakedPenguin

        Like auto racing, the best part of ski jumping is the wrecks.

        Yep.

        1. Yusef drives a Kia

          And the Agony of Defeat

    2. PieInTheSKy

      Basically I think every shot above 1000 meters is half luck

    3. tacticalpillow

      Mirage, like the soupy waves you see coming off a hot road, is a very good indicator of the average wind between you and the target. The best shooters can use the angle of the mirage to judge the average wind to the target.

      There are very expensive, not very portable systems available with wind sensors every few hundred yards that combine to give you an exact reading, but are really just tools for ballisticians to verify formulas.

      A friend of mine is working on a laser to read average wind speed to the target, but nothing portable is available yet.

    4. tacticalpillow

      Basically every LR shot is an educated guess based on prior experience and knowledge.

  3. Gilmore

    pew pew pew

    1. PieInTheSKy

      we are talking bullets not lasers here. nerd.

    2. Q: Did you hear about the man who farted in church?
      A: He sat in his own pew.

      1. egould310

        Two-thirds of “pun” is pee-yew.

  4. DOOMco

    yes! this will be bookmarked for a while on my computer.

    1. tacticalpillow

      Come for the Mark Wahlberg clips, stay for the ensuing cartridge debate

      1. DOOMco

        I kind of want a 7mm rem for my next rifle. Seemed better suited for hunting in CO than out here in VT, so maybe I should start that decision over.

        1. tacticalpillow

          There are a ton of fantastic 7mm LR bullets. 28 Nosler, 7 LRM, or even a 7 mag would all make fantastic do-all hunting rifles.

          For hunting 600 and in, a 6.5 Creedmoor or 308 will serve you well.

  5. Drake

    Bounty placed on Bollywood actress’ head after Hindu-Muslim film outrage

    I suggest she comes over to my house where I will shelter her in place.

    1. invisible finger

      Likely too crazy to stick

    2. Lackadaisical

      She has had too much work done. Nose looks fake as hell.

  6. DOOMco

    bolt action still(?) more accurate on average?

    1. tacticalpillow

      Yes, but gassers have closed the practicality gap. Half inch gassers are usually possible with just a high-end barrel swap. I’ve seen 0.25″ groups from a GAP-10.

      The big issue with gassers now is the recoil impulse. Because of all the reciprocating mass, staying on target and spotting misses after the shot is more challenging.

      1. DOOMco

        ah, that makes sense. I like a nice bolt anyway, and would just have an AR or something for the middle range stuff.

  7. Playa Manhattan

    This doesn’t say how many beers I should have first.

    1. PieInTheSKy

      one for every 200 yards

    2. DOOMco

      40’s?

    3. Private Chipperbot

      One for every shot so you know when to stop.

    4. Anyone up for a game of AK-40 hands?

      1. DOOMco

        I’d raise my hand, but i’d spill.

      2. {|}===[|}:;:;:;:;:;:;:>

        The trick is to empty both magazines quickly.

  8. Sean

    Interesting article on a type of shooting I have zero experience with. I’m 100 yards max, due to range limitations.

    1. DEG

      Same here. I’m largely limited to 100 yards, but the club I now belong to has a 300/600 yard range.

      The only time I’ve fired beyond 100 yards was at a CMP clinic with someone else’s Garand. This was back before I went on my shooting hiatus. I was surprised at how well I did, and my instructor was too.

  9. The Zenome Project

    OT: The BernieBros see an opportunity with the Franken scandal, and have just posted a petition to advocate for Keith Ellison as his appointed successor. I know that Minnesota used to be one of the proggiest states in the country, but are they still prog enough to elect a guy in a special election with Nation of Islam ties who once wrote in favor of black separatism?

    1. Tundra

      Minnesota is a proggie wet dream — except when it’s not. Leave the limits of Minneapolis and St. Paul and things change a lot. We all carry guns and drive ICE vehicles.

      Trump barely lost here – to the only state in the union that went for Mondale. I don’t think it would be a slam dunk for the racist piece of shit.

  10. thrakkorzog

    And I apparently have the sense of humor for laughing at this: http://dailycaller.com/2017/11/17/navy-apologizes-after-pilot-uses-plane-to-draw-a-sky-penis/

    1. tacticalpillow

      Cloudy, with a chance of golden showers

    2. Drake

      Hilarious.

    3. RBS

      I see some real genius in your flying, Maverick, but I can’t say that in there.

    4. Gordilocks

      “The pilots were not allowed to paint the word ‘fuck’ on their airplanes because it was considered obscene.”

    5. thepasswordispassword

      Was the pilot named Wagner?

      1. {|}===[|}:;:;:;:;:;:;:>

        He loves the cock.

  11. The Late P Brooks

    That’s not how Davy Crockett did it.

    I am amazed at the level of accuracy you guys can attain. Various factors, vision prominent among them, keep me away from rifle shooting. My pistols are all (except for the Sirhan Sirhan .22) more accurate than I am.

    1. juris imprudent

      Shooting a flintlock is probably the greatest challenge in all of shooting, I don’t care what you can do with a modern gun.

  12. Tundra

    This really appeals to my OCD. Thanks for putting this together, Mr. Pillow. I’m intrigued.

    1. tacticalpillow

      LR shooting is like regular shooting but for people who also like math homework

      1. DOOMco

        NERDS!

      2. Sean

        Ugh…when you put it like that…
        Maybe I’ll pass.

  13. Private Chipperbot

    I’ve watched Sergeant York. I’m pretty sure you just have to lick the sights and you’ll hit every time.

    1. Tundra

      No, no, no – you need that thing that flips up, like Quigley.

      1. Private Chipperbot

        Oh, right. It was flip the thing up and then lick Laura San Giacomo. Got it.

        1. AlmightyJB

          Those are quite lovely

        2. Yusef drives a Kia

          She was Hot in The Stand IIRC

          1. You mean… juicy?

            That line still makes me gag

          2. Yusef drives a Kia

            Thanks a lot Riven, Disgusting then, disgusting now

          3. juris imprudent

            You’ve never seen her in Sex, Lies and Videotape?

          1. Festus

            The most hilarious portion of the side-bar is whether the subject has underarm hair. There’s an internet for everybody, I tells ya’.

  14. AlmightyJB

    Thanks for the article! I’m actually looking at this 2.5-10×44 Vortex PST for my Sig 716 for Christmas. Couple questions for you. I’ve heard different takes on the objective lens diameter. They also offer this in a 32 instead of the 44. Should I care? Also, what’s your take on the illuminated reticle option? And last, I’m picking the 2.5-10 as a compromise between FOV at short range with still the ability to hit some long range shots. How far out do you think a 10x is practical?

    http://www.vortexoptics.com/product/vortex-viper-pst-2-5-10×44-riflescope-with-ebr-1-moa-reticle

    1. AlmightyJB

      I lied, one more, do you think the MOA or the MRAD is easier to adjust for or does it really matter?

      1. tacticalpillow

        That’d be a fantastic choice for that rifle. Larger bells are used on higher mag scopes for a bunch of reasons, including resolution and light transmission. In a 5-25, I’d say you want a 50 or a 56. In that scope, smaller is fine.

        Illuminated reticles are SUPER handy for low light shooting but useless if you only shoot in daylight.

        Magnification effectiveness is really a function of target size. You shouldn’t have any issues hitting man sized targets out to 1k with 10x, but smaller targets may give you issues.

        I really only use 25x to get my zero dead on at 100. I do almost all of my shooting at 12-16x.

        I use MRAD because it’s easy to keep track of decimals rather than fractions when you’re under the stress of a match timer. 4.7 is easier to work with than 12 1/4. That, and almost everyone else in the sport uses mils, so we all speak the same language without having to convert.

        Personal preference really.

        1. AlmightyJB

          Thanks! That was extremely helpful. Yeah, there’s not much in the way of long distance ranges near Central Ohio. I eventually want to get some land out in the sticks (hopefully in next few years) and hopefully be able to shoot further out. I figure after I get some practice in I can get something with higher magnification for more precision shooting as well.

          1. tacticalpillow

            Check out Thunder Valley and Raynor’s Range between Zanesville and Cambridge.

            Those two have websites and hold open range days IIRC.

            I went to HS just north of Zanesville, and lived in Westerville for a while too.

          2. AlmightyJB

            Thanks! Yeah, my dad is from Zanesville. in fact my ancesters were early settlers there. I’ve checked out both those places online. After I get my scope I’ll have to make a little road trip:) I know the Zanesville range goes 300 yards and Rayner’s 1000.

    2. Sean

      Not what you asked, but fwiw…local shop is having a great sale on Sig’s Whiskey 5 2-10x scope: http://www.gunbroker.com/item/713877248

      1. AlmightyJB

        Thanks!

  15. Mad Scientist

    I have zero experience with this as well, but for some reason it absolutely fascinates me. What caliber do you prefer to use at your matches?

    1. tacticalpillow

      Most shoot a 308 necked down to 6mm or 6.5mm. 6.5 Creedmoor is what I shoot because if I get too lazy to reload, I can have a case shipped to my door.

      1. AlmightyJB

        6.5 Creedmore seems to be getting very popular for long range shooters.

        1. tacticalpillow

          140 gr 6.5 Creedmoor has about 25% less drop and drift than 175 gr 308, with less recoil too. The only sacrifice is about 50% less barrel life.

          1. AlmightyJB

            That’s pretty impressive.

          2. DOOMco

            That’s crazy.
            too bad about the barrel dying…

  16. Excellent writeup. Thank you.

    1. tacticalpillow

      Thanks! It’s fun to pump out articles about something you can’t get enough of.

  17. xenophon

    love this stuff. I’ve never done distance shooting but I would really like to get into it.

    Tangentially related: my cousin was a scout sniper in the Marines, and he claimed to routinely hit targets out past a mile when out on tour (targets being person-sized to truck-sized). I find that absolutely mind-blowing.

    1. Tundra

      I find that absolutely mind-blowing.

      So did his targets.

      /feels shame

    2. tacticalpillow

      James Gilliland has a history channel segment for the longest 308 kill IIRC. Something like 1300m. Pretty sure it was first round too.

  18. bacon-magic

    Help! Firefox did an update now this site is rated “entertainment” on company firewall. Any solutions?

    1. egould310

      Quit your job.

    2. DOOMco

      Chrome? I bet it’s your work.

      1. +1 What are you doing on Firefox still?

      2. bacon-magic

        It is and my it guy avoiding me

    3. Mad Scientist

      Let me try that again in the correct location…

      Are you not entertained?

    4. tacticalpillow

      I blame thicc Thursdays

        1. Festus

          That HM link never gets old! Full-body chortle every single time!

    5. trshmnstr

      Use your phone like I do?

      1. bacon-magic

        Phone sucks

        1. commodious spittoon

          *Beavis laugh*

  19. egould310

    Nice article. I’ve always enjoyed watching the Armenians and Koreans at the shooting range setting up these shots, spotting them, etc. It looks like fun. I think it would he a good hobby to share with my wife. Team work. Precision. Blasting things. Big fun.

    1. tacticalpillow

      There are several couples that shoot together. If your wife is into that thing, it’s a fantastic hobby to get into. Cheaper than anything motorized.

  20. mexican sharpshooter

    Nice article. It’s an aspect of shooting I haven’t gotten into. The cost of entry seems a bit prohibitive and I never got into hunting.

    1. tacticalpillow

      It gets spendy.

      PHX and Vegas have fantastic local clubs if you’re ever curious.

      1. mexican sharpshooter

        Of course. No shortage of open land to do it.

        1. {|}===[|}:;:;:;:;:;:;:>

          Hit me up if you’re ever heading to PRGC…

          1. mexican sharpshooter

            I don’t remember the last time I was in that part of town. I o remeber a guy on AZGO spending a lot of time down there….that might just be a coinqy-dink.

    2. Bob

      I got a savage 10 in 6.5 creedmoor at Cabelas for 500 and put 500 into a scope and bipod. I hit 1000 yards day one.

      It’s not the highest quality stuff but it works well. Even just popping soda cans from 400 yards is satisfying.

      1. tacticalpillow

        Savage makes some great stuffk

  21. ArchieBunker

    There’s a good book called Jack Hinson’s one man war, about a Confederate guerilla sniper that spent the war poping union officers off of boats from over half mile away with a 50 cal muzzleloader. This is just down the way from my fishing hole It’s an interesting read.

    1. tacticalpillow

      That’s nuts. Those would be hard shots with today’s tech.

      1. ArchieBunker

        It’s impressive to look at the bluff his cave was on from the channel of the lake. I would love to own the gun he did it with but some jack off judge owns it

    2. poping union officers off of boats

      Eddie hardest hit.

      1. egould310

        ????

    3. juris imprudent

      I assume he was shooting a Whitworth.

      1. ArchieBunker

        Nope, had it made special by a local gun smith after union soldiers raided his place if I remember right. It’s evidently made as good as it got back in the day. There’s a pic of it in the book complete with the notches scratched in the barrel

  22. Gordilocks

    Nice article, Mr Pillow.

    I used to compete with Iron Sights back in my teenage Army Cadets days.

    I wonder what Simo Haäya would have thought about all of this gear.

    1. Yusef drives a Kia

      that’s the Finnish Sniper from WW2 ?

      1. Gordilocks

        Correct. 500+ invading Commies killed in the course of the winter of 1940. Iron sights, mostly moving through the battlefield on skis and/or snowshoes.

        1. Yusef drives a Kia

          I had a Finnish girlfriend once, proof that they Are Lizard people, and She was hot, insane but hot

          1. Gordilocks

            Pics or it didn’t happen, Mr Icke.

        2. tacticalpillow

          The only good commie…

    2. Gordilocks

      My apologies, I spelled his name incorrectly.

      https://www.simohayha.com/

      1. Yusef drives a Kia

        I don’t think he will complain, we are still talking about him, ya know 🙂

        1. DOOMco

          ok, i’ve tried this comment too many times.

    3. The Last American Hero

      Probably that he could have killed every single invader if he was equipped with it.

  23. Florida Man

    Cool stuff. I bought a walther Q5 match and want to add a red dot. I’m leaning towards the deltapoint pro. Does anyone have any experience with it? Thanks.

    1. DOOMco

      jealous of that q5, FM.
      I want to replace the slide on my 4 inch ppq with their RMR ready slide.

      1. Florida Man

        The RMR has come down in price. It’s about $20 more than the DP P, still. I’m going to shoot the Q5 tomorrow for the first time. I’ll give you a range report.

    1. tacticalpillow

      I wish Battlefield had realistic ballistics.

  24. mikey

    Thanks. Not into guns, but love learning about others esoteric passtimes. Well written. I’m always impressed by how much expertise there is on this board on such diverse topics.

    Anybody here into antique steam tractors? I’d love an article like this by someone knowledgeable in those. My dream garage has an giant Rumley in it.

    1. Tundra

      Sounds like a good one for you. I would read that!

      1. tacticalpillow

        Thanks! I was just wasting time on Wikipedia about old steam engines.

      2. mikey

        I know nothing. I just love stuff like this.

        https://youtu.be/EVxByLO_6cA.

  25. R C Dean

    I am a mediocre rifle shot at best, especially at range. I simply will not take a shot at an animal that is over 300 yards. My long-range gun is very accurate – best day was 10 100 yard consecutive shots (off sandbags) that could be could be covered with a quarter, so its me, not the gun.

    I am a decent pistol shot, especially (informal) “practical” shooting – I’ve never not been the best pistol shot in whatever group I was in, although those groups did not include competitive target shooters. I’m also a decent shotgunner – typically hitting about 75 – 80% on a skeet course (stupid left-to-right clays . . . ). I practice all forms of shooting far too little.

    I think long-range rifle and shotgun/pistol are very different skillsets. Rifle is more patient, methodical, disciplined, and shotgun/pistol is more “flow” and feel. What’s odd is, I have the kind of OCD personality that should make for a good long-range rifle shooter.

    1. tacticalpillow

      I am an awful clay shooter. I did once beat Jerry Miculek in an NRA Precision Slowfire Pistol match. He smoked me in the sped shooting.

      What’s your hunting rifle chambered in?

      1. Florida Man

        Wow. Shooting with a legend. I’m impressed.

      2. Sean

        Jerry Miculek.
        /swoon

      3. R C Dean

        .300 Win Mag

      4. I did once beat Jerry Miculek in an NRA Precision Slowfire Pistol match. He smoked me in the sped shooting.

        Ah HA, a humblebrag eh?

    2. I’ve never not been the best pistol shot in whatever group I was in

      Good, you don’t want every greenhorn west of the Brazos gunning for you, It’ll be “Draw R C Dean ! ” everyday til some snot nosed kid shoots you right in the ass.

  26. leonadasiv

    It’s like shooting close range artillery.

  27. commodious spittoon

    Is this to be the evening open thread? I have nothing whatsoever to add to gun talk. It seems like classic cars to me, a hobby for (mostly) men with money.

    I probably shouldn’t be so cavalier. I’m about to move into a speedier part of town. My weapon of choice (necessity, really, or maybe convenience) is a tire iron I keep under the mattress. I’m considering getting a telescoping baton.

    1. {|}===[|}:;:;:;:;:;:;:>

      For the price, just get a Carcal or a glock.

    2. Sean

      I keep my telescoping baton in my pants.

    3. Florida Man

      Guns have gotten pretty cheap. If you wanted to start shooting you could pick up a ruger 10/22 for around $250 and ammunition for $0.07 per round.

      1. AlmightyJB

        $250 wow. I bought mine for $100 back in the olden days:)

        1. Florida Man

          MY marlin 60 was $95…in 1996.

          1. MikeS

            I bought a Marlin model 60 about 10 years before you did. My memory is pretty fuzzy but it seem like I got it with a 4X Tasco scope for around $70

            Some slimy asshole stole it. Still pisses me off. It was my first firearm. I need to buy a replacement one of these days.

          2. Florida Man

            The 60 is my first too, still have it. Sorry for your loss.

      2. commodious spittoon

        That’s a lot less than I expected, tbh.

        1. AlmightyJB

          Hit the pawn shops, you can get stuff dirt cheap

        2. MikeS

          Do some pricing. Many guns in many different calibers can be had for under $300.

          The Ruger 10-22 that Florida Man recommended to you (and rightly so) is on sale at Cabella’s right now for $170.

          1. Florida Man

            That’s a good deal.

          2. MikeS

            Damn good deal. It’s $100 off their regular price.

          3. DEG

            Damn, I bought mine at the wrong time. I spent about $300 for mine.

    4. AlmightyJB

      You should at least have fun with your weapon of choice. A multipurpose tool as well.

      http://www.condortk.com/productos-detalle.php?producto=87&cat=62

      1. commodious spittoon

        How ’bout a kukri? They may look mean.

        1. commodious spittoon

          ^just look mean

    5. I’d assume there’s going to be a ZARDOZ or a STEVE SMITH links thread.

      1. MikeS

        ASSUMING WHAT ZARDOZ MIGHT DO IS GOOD WAY FOR BRUTALS TO GET CLEANSED!

        STEVE SMITH RAPE YOU IN THE ASSUME!

    6. ArchieBunker

      My weapon of choice would have to be a large eswing framing hammer. It’s always within arm’s length in my truck and i believe my years of swinging a hammer for work made me somewhat of a ninja with a hammer. That’s how it plays out in my head anyway.

    7. DOOMco

      I always thought FF was pretty much an open thread that just starts in the gun area.

  28. mexican sharpshooter

    Speaking of hunting. Trump lifted Obama’s ban on elephant trophies from Zimbabwe.

    The elephants are all dying off, honest. They cited figured from 1989…then there’s this:

    For starters, the hunting of elephants brings in very little revenue. A 2017 report by Economists at Large, an economic analysis firm based in Australia, found that in eight African countries, trophy hunting amounted to less than 1 percent of total tourism revenue and 0.03 percent of the countries’ total gross national product.

    Sounds like there isn’t a whole lot of hunting going on.

    1. commodious spittoon

      I’m troubled by elephant hunting. Rhinoceros, sure. I guess. Or hippos, those are mean, dangerous fuckers. Not sure what trophy you’d take off them, but then, it’s trophy hunting really about the trophy, or the hunt?

      Elephant hunting bothers me, though. I realize they’re not uniformly congenial creatures, but hell, could you imagine sighting down your scope and pulling the trigger on one? Doesn’t sit right. And sure, if it actually helps conservation efforts, by all means, monetize the dumb brutes. But I can’t imagine wanting to shoot one.

      1. Florida Man

        I’m an animal lover by nature and don’t kill things lightly. That being said, some elephants are nuisance animals. They destroy crops and attack people. If you need to off one, why not sell the right to a wealthy foreigner?

        1. commodious spittoon

          Real-life Witchers 😀

        2. mexican sharpshooter

          I’m in that boat. I have nonethocal issues with hunting as hunters in general are a self regulating group. I do have a problem wih the ivory trade since they kill the entire animal. Even then, they arent about to eradicate the species since the trade will go with them. So I don’t participate in the trade.

          For everyone else? If you need an elephant gone Ted Nugent has a solution.

    2. AlmightyJB

      They better hurry up and name them all.

  29. AlmightyJB

    I haven’t heard a lot about Transonic Range, probably because I haven’t done any long range shooting. I’ll have to look into that.

    1. What about Semisonic range?

      1. Tundra

        Closed.

        1. juris imprudent
  30. DEG

    Interesting article. Like Doomco, I’ll keep this bookmarked.

  31. Bob

    A good ballistic calculator app is Sterlok pro. It even pulls the weather from the nearest airport.

  32. Suthenboy

    Good article. I cant believe I missed this thread.