So I read a book recommended to me by a nice dealer at the Lewisville Gun Show a few weekends back: Patriots: A Novel of Survival in the Coming Collapse, by James Wesley Rawles. I’ll give a brief review, then I thought it might be interesting to open up the comments to ideas on prepping and survivalism, since these are recurrent themes in a lot of the circles that radical constitutionalists and libertarians run in.
I am sorry to say the book disappoints. The writing is didactic in the extreme. People regularly refer to their gear by both the brand and model number, and their weapons by brand, model, and caliber. In casual conversation. I don’t think at any point during my time in the Army National Guard did I ever refer to my equipment by anything more than it’s most generic name, i.e., “Hey hand me my LBE”. The names of specific companies where supplies were purchased are given, and even the names of the clerks at the companies that the protagonists deal with, only to never be used throughout the rest of the story. The author goes into agonizing detail on how to weld steel shutters over your windows, set up traps, etc. Frankly it reads more like the author wanted to write a how-to manual on setting up your own Cwazy Compund, but decided to do it through the medium of a novel.
There are, of course, the usual fringe-right fever dreams. The villains are cardboard cutouts: the UN, lead by nefarious Europeans, wants to conquer America because they simultaneously hate/envy us because we’re free, and two traveling communists are found to be literally eating children. Only religious people can be moral, and one of the most important things you ask refugees when you first meet them is if they’re Christian. It’s formulaic: everyone who has a Bible or mentions going to Bible study is found to be a good-guy, and the ones who don’t, well…see the second sentence of this paragraph. There is a Jew who is one of the main protagonists, though he several times reminds the group that they worship the same God. Their Christianity is repeatedly invoked as being the reason they don’t go around raping and pillaging. The main protagonist is leery of leaving two young people alone at his compound, because he won’t tolerate “fornication”, but his wife assures him that as Good Christians they can be trusted to be celibate until they are married. And the Waco and Ruby Ridge killings by the government are described as specifically being the massacre of Christians who just want to be left alone. Would those incidents have been less tragic if they were Buddhists?
There is a happy ending – a Libertarian gets elected president! Hooray! But aside from that, I’m afraid it doesn’t resonate with a person like myself, who is taking sensible precautions for a several week disruption of supplies and services (accompanied by potential looters or attempts at street violence by bolsheviks), but doesn’t have the time or money needed to create your own private Fortress of Solitude in rural Idaho. Even if it sounds like a fun project, I have no doubt that a divorce would be in my near future should I attempt the thing!
That brought me the idea for the post: if you’re reading this, presumably you, too, are of a libertarian-ish bent. That means that it is likely that you have thought about prepping in some form or other. Personally, I have several weeks worth of water and non-perishable food stored, a bug-out bag with the usual contents, and a variety of weapons in several common calibers, with a few hundred spare rounds for each.
So I’ll open it up to the comments: do you consider yourself a “prepper”? What thought, if any, have you given it? What preparations have you made? What’s in your bug-out bag? What’s your main plan (bug-out, bug-in, etc.)? Perhaps we can have future articles on BOB prep, good fall-back locations, tips & tricks on making do without utility service, etc.
Mr. Riven and I would like to do a basic 3 month prep. We recently bought a home, and there’s a spot that could easily be concealed from prying eyes to keep all of that stuff in.
We’re newbies to the prep scene, for sure. Still at the basic research phase.
I had always been meaning to go up to the Lewisville Gun Show, but never had the time. I have been to the Dallas one at Market Hall a couple times, and all but one of my guns have been bought in Market Hall.
I think of myself as a prepper, but I’m not a “movement” prepper. I don’t hang out in survivalist forums, and I don’t talk about when SHTF with other people.
I prepare for the things that score the highest on a likelihood-harm-extinction composite. Likelihood meaning that I’m not preparing for the Yellowstone supervolcano. Harm meaning that I’m preparing less for a thunderstorm than a blizzard. Extinction meaning that I’m not preparing for the SMOD.
As such, I have about 3 weeks’ worth of stabilized potable water (I need to fill the jugs back up after moving), enough non-electric heating to get through a winter, tons of portable lighting, and a home defense shotgun for the relatively common calamities (severe storms, power outages, burglaries). Next up, I need to get storage set up for some non-perishable food.
For the less likely scenarios, I have a smattering of things, most of which either have other uses (camping, aquarium, etc) or are relatively cheap and small. Water filtration units, thyroid tabs, gas masks, and water purification tabs make up the bulk of that.
Forgot to add. Bug-out isn’t something I plan for. Bug-in will be better than bug-out in 99.9% of scenarios, and even if bug-out becomes the better option, there will be enough time to prepare a BOB and get out of dodge. Part of that analysis is that I don’t live in a downtown area, and all of the cars have provisions for being stranded overnight.
I guess I’m with trsmnstr. Other than a hurricane, I’m staying put. If the house deal goes through I’ll have a pool and lots of ways to kill shit that lives in water. I’m planting a garden, and because trade goods rock, I’m getting a couple of coffee trees, which should live outside in Central FL. Also, the guy down the street raises bees and I’m going to try making some mead. Along with 1 month of preserved food and enough guns and ammo to fight off a small band of idiots, that’s about all I’m doing. Well, I also have a pretty well prepped medical bag, at least better than my training level. And a couple of those solar panel charger things. I’m good for a four week shelter in place. If the shit really hits the fan, I have some friends with land I would try to make a convincing value argument to.
For me, I’m preparing for the 95% of situations that are survivable without luck, not the 5% where all food distribution in the world breaks down for good and 90% of everyone starves to death.
OK, kindly forgive my ignorance. What are bug-in/out/BOB?
I’m definitely not a prepper now. Though a few years ago I was storing a few weeks worth of food. I also had a bug-out location, a log cabin deep in the woods, well off the beaten track. That, sadly, has since been sold.
In my survivalist days, I noticed a real apocalyptic bent for many (not necessarily our commentators!) preppers. It just isn’t preparation, it’s strong wish that the current society would disappear. Perhaps this is a longing for simpler, days; hearkening for a frontier existence where survival is ultimately up to the individual. I don’t know, but it certainly assumes a sudden change to humanity.
But beyond an extreme catastrophic war, violent revolution, or natural disaster, I see the human race, as before, bumbling through changes and somehow getting along. For example, when the Roman empire fell, it wasn’t pleasant but the change in the power structure wasn’t sudden. Instead it was a slow withering of imperial power, only to be replaced by local kings, tribes, and chieftains. People still farmed, traded goods, had their local customs, and managed to not eat each other. Yes there were more localized battles and fighting but it wasn’t the end of the world.
My worst fear is socialist/communist revolution since that brings the highest chance of being swept up in a mass killing. See Cambodia, China, Russia, North Korea, etc for examples. Which is why I’ve always feared the left wing more than the right. And if something like this did happen in the ol’ USA, I don’t think – especially with my years, I would last long as a rebel fighter hiding out in the woods. But I would give it a go!
What are bug-in/out/BOB?
Bug-in: Bad things happen and you hunker down in your house to wait them out
Bug-out: Bad things happen and you immediately take off for a safer place
BOB: bug-out bag, a bag you grab that has emergency provisions for a few days of travel to a safer place
Max,
BOB= Bug out bag. Your grab and go stuff.
I am not a prepper, but like some of you, I have the basics. I’ve got firearms, fishing and camping equipment, water purifiers/pills, etc.
And cash!
It’s an interesting question. Other than weather I think a disruption in the grid would be the most likely catastrophe and past a couple weeks, I think most of us would be fucked. I could certainly catch and kill enough to survive, but it sure would suck.
Great post, Gojira!
Aha, I see… Guess I’ve never given this much thought. And yes, although the actions of “the left” have been particularly unsettling lately, when they go on and on about “Resist” and that ends up being a few harsh words on Twitter or carrying around signs, then I relax. Maybe I should be more paranoid about such things. It’s just hard to picture a realistic scenario where I would have to resort to a plan for basic survival.
Updated with appropriate internet joke image.
Great topic. I know exactly what you mean about prepper fiction; that stuff can be nigh unbearable.
Some of the best advice I’ve ever heard on the prepper boards was back on the old Peal Oil forum. (Remember that, y’all? Hahahaha!) Some commentator whose name escapes me now – Grandpa or Papa something, I think – said a good prepper preps for anything; a great prepper preps for everything, including nothing at all.
Karl Denninger over at the Tickerforum also had some pithy remarks. Tickerforum wasn’t a prepper board, obvs, but there was a fair amount of crossover with the membership, so he talked about it sometimes. He said the big problem with the prepper community was that they focused on the extreme – second coming of Jaysus, total collapse of civilization stuff. Then he’d pound the table about risk assessment, and point out how often preppers were dotting every i when it came to shit that’s not likely to happen – zombies, mutant commie hordes and five years of eating MREs – but they had no plans in place and were caught with their pants around their ankles for things that happen all the time; divorce, loss of a job, big ticket car/maintenance repairs.
My hot take is that if survival was just a shopping list, the Oregon Trail would’ve been a damned boring game.
Never underestimate the value of paper that you feel no need to save.
“Prepare for the worst, but hope for the best.” My family has always been of a self-sufficient bent.
I believe in preparing for the most likely scenarios, and am of the bug-in mindset.
Next on my list to acquire is alternative communication devices.
The coming armageddon will always be just around the next corner.
Around here the real SHTF looks like a flood, an ice storm or a hurricane. I have three months worth of food, a water purification system (5 gal. buckets – 1. sand 2. diatomaceous earth 3. 0.1 micron filter 4. activated charcoal filter). Basic medical supplies, plenty of general purpose weaponry and ammo, about 30 gallons of propane and good propane stove, flashlights, batteries, etc.
If you hunker down with your supplies you will probably be the first to go. When people have hungry wives and children and happen to notice that you dont they are going to root you out, kill you and take your shit. It is as simple as that. Nothing motivates people like their own child starving.
The people who will be fine will be the ones that come together as a community and cooperate.
Last year we had one hellofa flood and a lot of people were put out of their homes and into a shelter. We brought them a gross of canned food (soups and stews) a palette of drinking water. All in all it was less than $250, a small price to pay. We weren’t the only ones. We had to park in line to donate.
I am confident that if the SHTF around here we will be fine.
As for the book…simpletons are simple. It really does sound awful. I have known people like that. Progs aren’t the only ones living in the narrative in their heads.
I’ve got a few hundred $ worth of silver stashed away. Of course your average person doesn’t know the value of silver.
LH, let me guess- in the form of cable?
My thoughts:
We’re Americans, so we automatically go straight to the gear and toys. I think the most important piece of survival “gear”, though, is you. Your physical fitness and knowledge. Which I have done a pretty terrible job of maintaining, myself.
As far as gear goes, you gotta think about what you are preparing for. Hurricanes, not SMOD, that kind of thing.
For basics, if I had the time and money (such that Mrs. Dean wouldn’t object), I’d love to get a pretty serious backup generator and drill a well (assuming I’m allowed to by the County/State). With electricity and water, all kinds of otherwise dire situations become manageable.
A big challenge for me living where I do is food. The ground where I live is a thin coating of sand over granite. I’d have to do raised beds, but just haven’t gotten the motivation. I could/should lay in some emergency food supplies.
Self-defense? Covered, thanks, although I’m hankering after a combat shotgun. I suppose the three 12 gauge shotguns I have now will have to do. Mental note: need more ammo. Our house is virtually indefensible, unfortunately – lots of windows. Big windows. Good cover, though, so I would plan to mount a more mobile defense (but, see above re: physical fitness).
Trade goods are always good. Don’t have much there, really, other than a few guns that aren’t strictly necessary. I do have gold coins (1 oz and 1/4 oz) and silver coins (1 oz).
My ultimate fallback is probably the hospital where I work. It will likely weather nearly any disaster – onsite generators the size of small mountains, vast fuel tanks for them, and we have our own water wells. And, its an essential resource to the community.
I’m also a moderate prepper, covering the basics but not ready for Mad Max.
Sort of restating this idea from Jack Spirko: the most likely scenarios are also the ones that are smallest in scale and the easiest to prepare for. Utility outage and job layoffs are boring, but happen a lot. Next up the scale is natural disasters (or depending on your area, more common).
Also, this is my first comment here, and I want to commend everyone involved in the efforts on this site. 95% of my H&R time was lurking, but I would have missed you guys just the same.
When I was living in the coastal core of the Los Angeles Basin, I was much more concerned about being prepared for some sort of non-catastrophic SHTF situation.
Living that close to 18+ million people who are by-and-large utterly dependent on modern society was scary. It wouldn’t take more than a 24 hour blackout to cause widespread social breakdown.
In that case, my only real preparation was a few weeks of water, non-perishable food, as well as enough arms/armament to supply my neighbors in the hopes of establishing a defensible perimeter.
Now that I’m in a freer state, in a semi-rural area I’m much less concerned about that stuff; some water, non-perishable food, fuel, but most everything I need I can take off my land without much pressure from neighbors.
Plus I’m still better armed than most countries.
Sorry, OMWC, no magic cables for me.
I do have some old Kimber 8PRs hidden away in the back of my stereo though. Once I plugged them in I noticed a silky smoothness that reminded me of my wife’s thighs. đ
“I think the most important piece of survival âgearâ, though, is you. Your physical fitness and knowledge.”
RC Dean nailed it. I’ve been a “prepper” ever since it was just called “survivalism.” This message I try to hammer home to anyone who speaks to me about it before anything else. You are the ultimate tool. Anything else you have is only as good as you. In fact, the more you know, the less you need.
That having been said, I don’t see how a libertarian can’t be a prepper. One’s liberty is directly dependent on one’s level of self-reliance.
Also, the shit already hit the fan here when comments were unthreaded.
Just sayin’
Right now, all I really have is good camping gear. I grew up in the woods of VT, and set up campsites year round. Camping in winter is a lot of fun, even if it gets a little wet and chilly. Food and heat are the biggest things. Like everyone else, money-cash or metal- is very helpful to keep that food supply going.
I do need a gun soon, that’s been on my list for a bit now. something for a CCW. I’ve been looking at the newer M&P, but am not sure.
“Also, the shit already hit the fan here when comments were unthreaded.
Just sayinâ”
*Runs to food supply, props shotgun up next to computer*
It looks like there’s only one person to blame for that. Not mentioning any names/handles but it’s Mad Scientist. đ I also prefer threaded comments, but his objection was that he can’t find the latest ones. One could potentially hire a coder to figure out how to highlight things like that (it’s not a basic WordPress function) but given that our entire capitalization wouldn’t pay for a family of four to have dinner at Pizza Hut…
let me see what I can arrange.
Doom, you also have the ideal bugout vehicle.
And winter camping loses it’s luster when you get old!
I kinda like the snow cave/ small fire combo. The worst bit is waking up and realizing your boots are wet.
Bridger will only become better as the camp truck. I just moved and finally have a garage. It’s in there now, I will be rebuilding the carb next. That and another timing adjustment.
I think HM has a point. Libertarianism requires a certain commitment to self-reliance, which in turn should lead to some “natural” prepping for situations that call for unusual degrees of self-reliance.
Also, his post reminded me of something a martial arts instructor told me once (during some sword and staff training as a break from our usual empty-hand work).
A sword is not a weapon. It is a tool. You are the weapon, whether you have any tools in your hands or not.
Highlighting new comments in WordPress
Is this helpful at all?
Once I get past next Wednesday, I’ll start putting some effort into getting a rudimentary javascript extension/script put together to do a few things. Before the Commentariat Revolution, I was coding up a script for practice that modified the Site That Shall Not Be Named on top of Reasonable. Assuming no objections/unwanted duplication of efforts, I would like to do a similar project here. It seems that the priority features should be:
1) Some semblance of threading (I’m thinking about how best to do this from a purely user-side script)
2) Easy to use HTML tagging
3) Highlight of new comments
Other version 1 features will likely be:
4) Floating comment box
5) Collapse of old (without new comments) threads
6) options for reordering of comments (newest first, etc)
Anyway, I make no promises, don’t want to step on any toes, and certainly don’t want to come off as ungrateful. This is an awesome site, and it makes me want to devote my creative efforts toward it!
trshmnstr, we can turn threading back on if, like in reasonable, new comments are highlighted. You shouldn’t need to code threading itself. Just something that stores a cookie (or whatever) with a timestamp, and highlights any comments newer than the stamp, then resets the stamp to the current time. Restoring threading will also get the reply button and immediate comment box back.
If everybody is in agreement on that, it sounds good to me. I did some proof-of-concept work on threading over lunch, so I could certainly accomplish it if people preferred to keep the single thread. However, the idea I had involved putting artifacts in the text of the comments to thread them, which isn’t ideal. It would be much easier to unthread them with an extension.
Mainly, I want to port over what I had done for TSTSNBN, which included multiple ways of viewing the comments (newest first, threaded, unthreaded, old threads collapsed, new comments highlighted, etc) I also want to attempt to design a slightly different comment highlighter (one that doesn’t clear the highlight on new unread comments when you reply to an earlier comment on the page).
Anyway, I’ll probably start small with a simple timestamp-based new comment highlighter and work up from there.
I’m gonna need a “like” button now.
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OMWC, I have a lead on highlighting comments. Write web code for a day job. Would help. Email me.
Me too, I’m in. It seems mostly like people are asking for some simple CSS changes, maybe a little JS. Never customized a WordPress site, but I have branded SharePoint. Can’t be that hard to make it sit up and speak.
Maybe we should start a thread for Web devs who wanna pitch in.
I am sorry to say the book disappoints. The writing is didactic in the extreme. People regularly refer to their gear by both the brand and model number, and their weapons by brand, model, and caliber. In casual conversation […] The names of specific companies where supplies were purchased are given, and even the names of the clerks at the companies that the protagonists deal with, only to never be used throughout the rest of the story.
A clumsy, amateurish attempt at a roman a clef, a novel with a hidden meaning or “key.” Except the meaning seems painfully obvious. Now, there are some good reasons to publish such a thing as fiction instead of as a how-to guide. With fiction the author has complete control; when writing factually about things like the Oklahoma City bombing one must acknowledge unpleasant facts such as the children in onsite daycare at the courthouse. When writing fiction one can create one’s own reality where there are no messy shades of gray, no collateral damage, etc.
Another reason to go with fiction is it limits one’s liability (IANAL, corrections welcome). If you do a how-to guide and something, anything, goes wrong then you are liable. If you publish a novel all you have to worry about are libel and slander and I don’t think those gunshop employees will be offended since they are likely to get business out of the writeup.
Ayn Rand’s fiction was dreadful as fiction for much the same reason, though to lesser degree than that of Rawles.
OK, in my comment above the entire first paragraph was supposed to have been italicized since it was an extended quote from Gojira’s post. I know there is a guide to formatting in wordpress comments. Reading that tonight.
Tonio, glad you brought up OKC. While the author himself would undoubtedly deny holding these feelings, two of the protagonists in his book hold an…interesting…theory about OKC being an inside job so that BATFE could accumulate more power or something like that.
It’s worth noting that James Wesley, [sic] Rawles originally convinced the novel as a non-fiction guide.
Also, Hi Gojira and HM. HM – I’ve seen that portrait, but can’t place it. Who is the subject?
https://mariaslozak.tumblr.com/post/140331403987/chadmsirois-a-mulatto-gentleman-french-empire
It’s by François-Xavier Fabre, I believe. It’s titled “A Portrait of a Mulatto Gentleman”,
RC and HM summed up perfectly my thoughts. I learn skills, lots of them, and I have — or know where to get or how to make — tools and everything else I might need.
Survival requires very little. 99.9% of the stuff I own would be left behind in a heartbeat if survival were my goal.
For survivalist like stuff I would focus on a few things.
1 water
2 fire
3 shelter
4 defense
5 meds
All of this is carried and well understood by a 13 year old boy scout.
1. I would buy a pump filter…just makes life so easy.
2. good lighter, and lots of matches
3. tent is easy and light
4. well…i like to pack heavy in this area but that is more preference as opposed to need.
5. do not underestimate the dangers of an infection untreated for a few days. Neosporin, alcohol, gauze, moleskin, aspirin, ibuprofin, epinephrin if you can, glucophage for the type IIs out there. All of this weighs maybe 1/2 a lbs.
Watch Alone on history…those people are cray cray and they are all very good but you will get a sense of what can be devastating in a survival scenario.
p.s. this is not for SMOD level stuff, or even hurricanes…it is just a good idea to know in general. Car breaks down in Canada, you get lost while on a fishing trip, your mother in law comes to live with you…you know the plausible emergency situations.
I might be interested in penning some articles on weapons, gear, stuff like that, from the POV of the “well Regulated militia” responsibilities and equipment aspect. I live on 10 acres in a very rural area that has started sprouting a few neighborhoods, so there is the community aspect as well. My back property fenceline is a firebreak on Ft Bragg, all forested training area. Not so much the doomsday stuff, but as others have said, real-world aspects such as the fact that several times a year, the power is down for hours to days at a time, with a prison about 3 miles away.
Go for it! We pay very well. Oh, wait, we don’t. But you’ll get appreciation. Appreciation is better than money.
I shall get on it. My current issue though is hunting the local coyote pack to extinction. Big dogs, solid 50+ lbs on the male, female not much smaller, three mated pairs I have identified in the pack. They are coming right up on the porch at both houses, and have no fear of humans. Plus, they are hunting my deer populations… and could easily take a human. Using my SIG M400 AR-15, in the avatar. M855 62 grain NATO 5.56mm since it goes into one small ragged hole from this barrel.
Newsletter, yours. How do I sign up?
I’m going to come up with some articles, post them here…
Not so much the doomsday stuff, but as others have said, real-world aspects such as the fact that several times a year, the power is down for hours to days at a time, with a prison about 3 miles away.
Real world stuff, I hear ya coastal Carolina it happens regularly. OINC here.
Look forward to it. There was a little gun talk on the Thu. Afternoon Links today. CCW stuff. But a regular guns and ammo thread would be awesome
Yeah, that, some reloading, more of an “I do this, here’s why” along with probably some stuff on gear selections and why, and the requisite walk-through on my next batch of blackberry mead. Some interaction with people on here will be satisfying as to differing ideas and practical solutions. I might even make some oak charcoal next fall.
Oh, an the family and I have weathered a few interesting times when we rent in the off season at Topsail Island…