Making the rounds on the outrage circuit is this latest update into the continuing saga of Trump – Oh, What An Ass.
‘‘This is what it’s like to be with Trump,’’ Christie said. ‘‘He says, ‘There’s the menu, you guys order whatever you want.’ And then he says, ‘Chris, you and I are going to have the meatloaf.’’’
The big take-away we’re supposed to have is that Trump is such dickhead. How Dare He. The choice of supper entree for an enormous fat man already the subject of one failed lap banding is none of your business, sir – he has agency, you know!
Pardon me if I hesitated to clutch my pearls. As many times as this story has been passed from shocked ear to shocked ear, people missed what I found to be the pertinent lede to the story, which defined a damning study in character itself.
Trump and Christie discussed the nation’s opioid epidemic during the lunch.
Christie on Wednesday signed a series of bills he requested to address the crisis, including a five-day limit on initial prescriptions for opioids and mandating state-regulated insurance plans cover treatment.
I’m sorry, were we discussing agency here? The agency of someone afflicted with a self-inflicted morbidity known to cause early death, disorder and severe limitations on quality of life?
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Oh yes. I went there.
Chris Christie believes there is an opioid epidemic. Is he correct? Possibly. To what ends? His own. If the opioid epidemic were a problem for the consumers of opioids, they’d be proposing their own solutions. They might even be doing so – we don’t know, since Top Men and the mainstream media do not appear to have invited them to the discussion. But the real problem here is that Christie ate meatloaf when he might have chosen something else. Sure.
As detailed in my earlier article, Finding the Why, humans have a talent for spotting malfunction as defined through their own worldview. We apply self-serving corrections, and then when our best-laid plans end up tattered wrecks, we blame everyone else for the failure.
I, personally, believe Chris Christie needs to put the snacks down and take the stairs more often. I am fully confident that if he does not do so, his life will be needlessly shortened and suffer a loss of quality. I might even be right. So, tell me, America – at what point do I get to override Governor Christie’s agency in order to apply my corrections to his choices?
In my opinion, I don’t.
If he wants to be a great big fat bastard, that’s his problem. Nothing to do with me. But what about his elevated healthcare costs, due specifically to his bad lifestyle choices and now foisted onto the backs of taxpayers? Who, exactly, paid for Governor Christie’s surgery; the one that didn’t work?
Red herring. If we all eat enough of them, we’ll be thin as rails. The problem isn’t that Christie has a sweetheart Cadillac healthcare plan exempted from Obamacare’s onerous health-damaging idiocies, at the expense of people who lack such privilege. The problem isn’t even that he uses this sweet privilege to rectify the self-inflicted abuse of his body. The problem is that government picks my pocket to enrich people who think lunch should be not merely free, but an all-you-can-eat buffet. Those who rob Peter to pay Paul, will always have the support of Paul.
Is the analogy too subtle? Perhaps it is. In the abundance of articles about poor, poor Christie’s stolen agency, not one thus far to mine eyes has pointed out these astonishing parallels. Christie is upset at the loss of his own agency, while taking others’ agency away with both hands and the expectation of applause.
Governor Christie is the very thing against which he rails. He merely has trouble seeing this clearly, since he is as convinced of his own narrative rightness as every other human on the planet. He is the good guy, because that’s what his head tells him is so.
Being the good guy isn’t a side, a team. It doesn’t come with the proper hand-waving to paper over what you did with a thin veneer of respectability and concern. It’s an action. Those who do bad things are not the good guys. Everything from there is rationalization.
Prediction: If an opioid epidemic exists, it will not be cured by talking at opioid consumers coupled with the proper removal of just exactly the right set of agencies from the correct people, handing that power over to some bureaucrat whose claim to fame is a bachelors degree in fine arts and a cushy job divorced from the requirement for functional results. What we’ll get then is another set of dysfunctions, and more people insistent that more money and and more power to the people who caused the new problems are the next sole best solution.
If there is an opioid epidemic, we’d be best served to start with finding the why.
Why are more people consuming more opioids? If consumption has reached levels causing individual health concerns, why has that individual come to the conclusion that this was the most effective cure for their pain despite the risk-reward calculation? Lest anyone labor under the delusion that only people making good and proper social normie choices make risk-reward calculations, allow me to disabuse them of that notion. Everyone makes risk-reward calculations. The man drinking himself to death knows it. This choice nevertheless appears, to his mind, to be the most effective option available. If this calculation fails to make sense, I’d suggest asking him to explain it rather than assuming we know everything about the matter and can solve that problem for him.
Chris Christie post-surgery is still grossly obese. If you want to know why, don’t ask his surgeon; ask Christie.
Therein lies our real solutions. Taking away the proper agencies and handing more power and money to people ill-equipped to use them will solve nothing. Such actions have, in fact, gotten us to this state of disorder and chaotic whack-a-mole with accompanying enormous and rising costs; both fiscal and societal.
We need to start involving those who we purport to assist. Not at them and to them, but with them, will these problems be solved. Every individual has agency, and re-labeling people as sub-human and otherwise lesser-than to excuse our actions in taking away their individuality does not make us the good guys.
The… characteristics referred to as antisocial personality in the FBI report were as follows: sense of entitlement, unremorseful, apathetic to others, unconscionable, blameful of others, manipulative and conning, affectively cold, disparate understanding of behavior and socially acceptable behavior, disregardful of social obligations, nonconforming to social norms, irresponsible. These… were not simply persistently antisocial individuals who met DSM-IV criteria for ASPD; they were psychopaths- remorseless predators who use charm, intimidation and, if necessary, impulsive and cold-blooded violence to attain their ends.
We are eating the very people we claim to help because it feeds our narrative and increases power and money in one direction only. The stated goals are never reached, and the subjects loathe us for our efforts; this is natural, since we are not helping them, that’s just our rationalization of our bad choices. This is tribal monkey behavior with evolved vocabulary, not civilized humanity.
Civilization is a choice. Let’s choose it.
Why would anybody believe anything a jilted politician says about somebody who jilted them? Christie was on his knees begging for a phat appointment by Trump, and got bupkiss. And now he’s trying to embarrass Trump.
(a) Who gives a shit, even if its true?
(b) Why would I believe its true?
Weren’t there MSM articles a few days ago on how Christie was about to be tapped to replace Reince Priebus? Guess that was complete fake news and I assume it has already been memory holed.
Chris Christie believes there is an opioid epidemic. Is he correct?
No. Opioid use is not a disease. Ergo, there is no opioid “epidemic”.
I am sure painkiller addiction is an ever present danger for people in pain. But, I can’t understand what kind of person thinks they have a right to tell a person in pain, that they can’t take a painkiller.
What I find especially weird is this 5-day waiting period.
“We understand that the severed limb hurts a lot right now, but show a little patience, citizen, during this brief review period.”
No that’s a 5-day prescription, meaning about 10 pills as opposed to the more typical 30 or 60.
Oh. Well that seems a lot less shitty.
Next you’ll tell me there isn’t an obesity epidemic!?
There may, in fact, be an obesity epidemic. I’ve seen some early, but credible reports of people who have immunological markers of a certain bacteria infection who also gain and hold fat at caloric consumption rates well below what is found in fat people who don’t. To be clear, not all obese people have these markers, but the ones that do may in fact be suffering from epidemic obesity.
There was also some anecdotal stuff maybe a year or two ago about people needing fecal transplants and then gaining or losing considerable amounts of weight without changes in their diet. I don’t know how much that was followed up on or if it’s related to the study you mention.
Jesse, as best I can tell they are related in that they are an epidemiological phenomenon because living organisms spread changes how people’s bodies work. The fecal transplants seem to be explained right now as changing the gut microbiome (which I think is classified differently from infection). The article I read on the bacterial study triggered actual changes to people’s fat cells based on a single infection that was (apparently) successfully fought off by the body’s immune system. So, the primary difference is we don’t seem to have a treatment to the bacterial infection.
Neat. I always find it interesting how we peel back a new layer every time we think we have handle on things.
This, I believe, because I’m one of those people and I saw first hand how it was an immense, constant struggle for me to keep my weight down. Basically, if I’m not keeping myself around or below 1500 calories or so per day, I’m going to gain weight. Doesn’t matter if I exercise – this was the case for 5 years as an active duty Marine, running around 20 miles per week at a 7-7:30 minute per mile pace.
Don’t get me wrong – I’m not saying that I’m just genetically fat and can’t help it. I CAN keep my weight down, but it’s much tougher for me than most people, and thus my weight has swung up and down between 160 and 280 over the past 20 years. Basically, if I’m not actively trying to lose weight, I’ll gain it.
Still thinner than Christie, though! Take that you fucking pig!
Chipper, thanks for your service. My fiancee’s dad was Army, then USMC (he *really* wanted to get in on the action in Korea). I forgive you both for your lapse in judgement regarding Branch, though you both are hard-core enough for my taste!
There’s also been some research speculating that the “obesity epidemic” is tied to the environmental pervasiveness of xenoestrogens.
Well, all claims related to this “epidemic” are based on population-level BMI statistics, and BMI is (at best) a deeply flawed measure of obesity, so …
BMI is (at best) a deeply flawed measure of obesity
I do not use BMI at all when figuring a risk assessment. What I want to know is, “What is the mass and weight distribution of muscle v. adipose v. fluid in a given patient and surgical candidate?”
Those three factors, in addition to an accurate medical HX, tells more more about your health and medical states than BMI could ever hope to do.
BMI was primarily instituted by health insurance companies because it’s discretely and demonstrably measurable along with other medical and vital signs, even though what the number tells us doesn’t yeild a lot of useful information in of itself.
I got in an argument with someone who told me gun violence was exactly like an epidemic. They got really angry when I asked them what the mode of transmission was and how virulent the vector was. There was much spluttering. Increased when I revealed that I had done work for the FL Bureu of Epidemiology at one time and was not going to be hand-waved away from the idea that clustering statistics is not the same thing as the actual study of epidemics by appeals to authority. Yes, some of the mathematical tools they use to analyze how epidemics spread have broader applications. That does not mean that a drug dealer is the same as a diseased host.
If we don’t use scary language, people might not give us lots of money. Therefore we must use lots of scary language.
I went digging for an excellent Popehat ramble in which he storified his early days as a gubmint lawyer. Can’t find it, so from memory. Immigration agents would come to him saying, “We raided a house, and found five illegal immigrants and 45 coyotes. We’ll take care of the immigrants, and we recommend charges for the coyotes.” And Popehat would tell them to go back and count again.
Along the lines of ENB’s articles where everyone’s a sex trafficker and minor victims without consent either way are prosecuted for prostitution.
Without the scary language and inflated statistics, we might not understand how badly we need our overlords.
You had to light the Christ Christie, The Corpulent Jesus Signal, didn’t you HoD?
I am drawn to it like The Corpulent Jesus is to the butter he dumps on his imitation crab meat salads.
I caught the guns once. I was in bed for weeks, feverishly dreaming of gunning people down.
I have a gun infestation in my house, they keep increasing their numbers.
And his answer wasn’t, “Thanks, Don, that’s a good suggestion. I think I’ll have the fish instead”? I guess we dodged a bullet getting him off the Executive team.
Thank you Brett.
“Civilization is a choice. Let’s choose it.”
If the government benevolently permits us to choose it. No taxes, no road, NO CIVILIZATION.
Not sure I’d go so far as to say that Christie losing ~100 pounds is a “failure” with lap-band. A coworker had the procedure done and eats incredibly cautiously (and small portions) and she’s never gotten “skinny”. She lost a lot of weight and then got stuck again. I assume there are other metabolic issues at play. I’ve brought her lunch and she splits my obsessively small portions into halves.
I certainly can’t speak to Christie’s dietary habits though.
I worked for a company that would 100% pay for the procedure. I’ve seen about 10 cases up close from brand new to 3-5 years. It definitely doesn’t make everyone skinny. And I also knew a guy who died on the table having it done. Sat across from me. He was probably 5’6″ and over 400 lbs.
not sure I’d go so far as to say that Christie losing ~100 pounds is a “failure” with lap-band.
This depends really on two things:
1) What the surgeon suggested would be a reasonable expectation of what constitutes a “successful” outcome (beyond procedural survival and actual weight loss); and,
2) What Christies own perceptions and concrete goals of what constitutes “success” post-op.
I assume there are other metabolic issues at play.
Hurling jokes at him aside (not like I could miss him), this is most assuredly the case.
I certainly can’t speak to Christie’s dietary habits though.
I wouldn’t even try, though I suspect Jabba the Hutt’s dietary regimen is definitely in the ballpark (along with all those hot dogs, nachos, and pasteurised processed cheese food products).
Is Christie maintaining a 100 pound weight loss? I don’t study pix of him, but the last one I remember seeing, he didn’t look much less fat-tastic than he was before the surgery.
Who’s the bigger pyschopath: Chris Christie? Sod help, but I hate that fat fuck, so so much. I hope he goes like the movie critic in, “Theatre of Blood,” (with Vincent Price acting so hammy, it’s full of doom. Didja like that, Jo?) who was so fond of foie gras, well, watch the film.
Chris Christie post-surgery is still grossly obese. If you want to know why, don’t ask his surgeon; ask Christie.
And Carnie Wilson. And pretty much every contestant appearing on, “The Biggest Loser.”
Maybe Mary Pat Christie likes him a fucking amorphous blob dripping with New Jawsy Sexay running down his cheeks and chins.
How do you really feel, Doc?
Chris Christie is the Governor of New Jersey and is a Cowboys and Mets fan. The man is a monster, regardless of his eating habits.
Did enjoy the shade laid upon him by the Philadelphia Phillies twitter account yesterday with respect to Christie’s latest rant against Philly sports and their fans:
I have to agree with Brett L above though; that he’d meekly go along with Trump’s suggestion says a lot about him.
The NY/NJ Cowboys fan is the lowest form of life on earth. Most of them are older bastards who couldn’t tough it out with the Giants in the ’70s so they jumped on board the Cowboys or Steelers bandwagon.
At some point a video will surface of Trump telling one of his aides “I’m going to make that fat fuck eat the meatloaf…”
Could you imagine? “S-s-see he really is a psychopath!”
I came here for the commenters, stayed for the articles.