Saturday Morning Links

I am on kind of a Links run lately…so bear with me. Here are a few random ones for your Saturday Morning. I hope you all ran out and found all the ingredients for a nice Planet of the Apes or three.

  • Hero, or soon to be treated like the British Richard Jewel?
  • Again, I must ask “which one of you was this?”
  • Stupid Hillbillies…hey, wait a minute??
  • Honestly, I am getting tired of asking…which one of you was this?

Imma go get another mug of coffee. When I get back, hopefully at least one of you will have ignored all these links and posted your own, someone else will have posted one of these links, and several of you will have suggested names for the two links that ask who amongst you this was. Cheers!

Comments

431 responses to “Saturday Morning Links”

  1. JD

    Mug of coffee, bitte!

  2. JD

    The 22-year-old accidentally discovered the virus’s kill switch, but warned the hackers could return

    Or maybe he’s the culprit!

    *Sinister music plays*

    1. If the British press stays true….there will be a round of lionizing….then accusatory articles, then back to lionizing, then a few gossipy ones and back to anonymity.

      1. Also if they hold true to form, we will find out about a “drinks party” celebrating him, a drink driving conviction in his past, his maths scores from university and something else those mongoloids misspell on a regular basis.

        1. See, sloopy knows exactly what I am talking about!

          1. Everything I know about the English speaking English I learned from Henry Higgins.

      2. commodious spittoon

        -1 Richard Jewell

        1. Gilmore

          wasn’t he the guy who was accused of being the pipe bomber @ the 1996 olympics? or am i confusing that w/ someone else.

          1. Gustave Lytton

            Yes, he was the security guard who saved a lot of people by discovering the bomb and starting the evacuation. Lazy FBI decided to publicly make him the fall guy before they figured out abortion bomber Eric Rudolph was the real guy.

          2. Gilmore

            I couldn’t remember if he’d actually done it or not.

            I do remember the media camped outside his door and treated him like a child-rapist for like a week

          3. Sour Kraut

            Yes. I think he reported the bomb, then when they had no leads they accused him of planting it.

  3. JD

    I hope you all ran out and found all the ingredients for a nice Planet of the Apes or three.

    Wut? Linking to another Glib post? It’s a slippery slope to TSTSNBN lynx circa 2013…

    1. Scruffy Nerfherder

      Glibception

      1. RBS

        Glib 24/7

        1. Hush yer gob!!!

    2. AlmightyJB

      That drink looks interesting. I think I’ve had some banana liquor sitting around for 15 years or so. Not sure about the dark rum. Wasnt there another’s recommendation for dark rum a few weeks ago?

      1. R C Dean

        Pussers is excellent – adds a rich molassesy flavor. Mrs. Dean prefers Pyrat, not quite as rich and molassesy.

        1. LT_Fish

          This Piraat isn’t too bad either.

        2. AlmightyJB

          I love molasses, I’ll have to see if I can find Pussers. Our local grocery liquor store is lacking in variety.

        3. dbleagle

          Whaler’s is another good choice for a blackstrap rum.

          1. AlmightyJB

            Might have to hit some bars tonight and see if I can find a decent rum selection. Was planning to go out last night but alas didn’t happen.

  4. Grumbletarian

    What happened to the cartoon links?? Not serious enough or something?

    1. Saturday Morning Cartoon Links….hmmm?

    2. Secret Nazi President is supposed to be on Sunday evenings.

      1. I can’t wait….talk about plenty of material for BP to use.

        1. If last week is an indication, you may have to wait.

    3. Old Man With Candy

      They’ll be recycled for evening. Swiss and I hadn’t done sufficient coffee coordination.

    4. Slammer

      They must have taken a wrong turn at Albuquerque

      1. +1 shoulda taken a left toin.

    5. Timeloose

      Here is a link for you. Howdy Bitch.

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f-BVPo4dR5M

  5. Old Man With Candy

    I must ask “which one of you was this?”
    Not me. If I’m paying a stripper, she’s doing it on MY porch.

    1. Suthenboy

      I was thinking the same thing. Besides, I cant see my neighbor’s porch.

    2. coax

      The article was confusing, but it sounded like he didn’t always pay them.

      1. Drake

        The part about hookers and pimps looking in the windows was pretty funny.

    3. Count Potato

      “The visits from the strippers occurred at least 75 times.”

      Those are some patient neighbors.

      1. Drake

        Sounds like they didn’t mind until the pimps tried to collect from them .

  6. Scruffy Nerfherder

    This seems more like it was one of the glibs

    A man was indicted Thursday for “masturbating vigorously” outside of New Avenues for Youth in downtown Portland on May 3.

    Court documents say that when a Portland police officer responded to a complaint of public indecency at the location, the officer saw Terry Lee Andreassen, 59, “with his erect penis exposed to the public.”

    When Andreassen saw the officer, he “put his penis back in his pants and began to walk away.” Documents say that when the officer asked Andreassen whether or not it was appropriate to masturbate in public and why he was doing it, Andreassen told the officer that he was on meth and wanted to go back to prison, because he “f–ing hates Portland.”

    1. I…I…can’t argue with that.

      1. ArchieBunker

        Hr better hope he’s a show-er and not a grower.

        1. Count Potato

          And doesn’t get a hung jury.

      2. What a dick.

        1. Banjos

          And how!

    2. straffinrun

      Only a cop would ask someone why they are masturbating.

    3. Count Potato

      But do they allow masturbating in the Australian Parliament?

      “An Australian Senator named Larissa Waters has become the first politician to breastfeed in her nation’s parliament. ‘It’s frankly ridiculous, really, that feeding one’s baby is international news,’ she said yesterday.”

      https://heatst.com/world/why-women-politicians-should-not-breastfeed-in-parliament/

      1. Rhywun

        Many men now engage in vigorous bouts of one-upmanship through ‘extreme ironing’ – a sport whereby they take ironing boards to remote locations and steam items of clothing.

        They’ve got some strange ways down there.

    4. Creosote Achilles

      They should let the jerk off. He’s helping Keep Portland Weird.

      Can’t really fault his reasoning though.

      1. R C Dean

        They should let the jerk off.

        *golf clap*

  7. Scruffy Nerfherder

    A classic Bastiat fallacy on display

    A fiery Michelle Obama vigorously defended the healthy eating initiative that was her biggest legacy as First Lady on Friday, telling a public health summit in Washington D.C. that something was “wrong” with an administration that did not want to give consumers nutrition information or teach children to eat healthily.

    “We gotta make sure we don’t let anybody take us back,” Obama said. “This is where you really have to look at motives, you know. You have to stop and think, why don’t you want our kids to have good food at school? What is wrong with you? And why is that a partisan issue? Why would that be political? What is going on?”

    1. Grumbletarian

      I’d ask Michelle why she doesn’t want families to be able to choose which schools their children should attend.

        1. RBS

          I read about that the other day. Fucked up. I can’t help but wonder what else was going on in that poor kids life.

          1. It goes back to kids not understanding consequences. No way in hell does an 8 year old understand the ramifications and permanence of death.

            Which is why anybody that would let a prepubescent child “transition” to another gender should be put in prison.

          2. R C Dean

            We’re having a serious discussion about whether we will allow transgender therapy for anyone under the age of 18. The “pro” side claims there are better outcomes the earlier you start, but there aren’t any long-term studies worth a crap, so I’m not convinced at all. The “con” side, which counts me among its members, has serious ethical issues with allowing someone who cannot legally consent to anything to have their endocrine system fucked with while they are still developing, and as adolescents are in that phase of life where your hormones maximally impair your judgment anyway.

            This is dangerous territory for me, working in an organization which is very well stocked with partisan Democrats who adhere to every jot and tittle of the Current Orthodoxy, which is “celebrating” and encouraging the fuck out transitioning. My (legal) opinion that there are no federal statutes, and thus no valid federal regulations, prohibiting transgender discrimination was not popular in certain circles.

          3. Francisco d’Anconia

            No way in hell does an 8 year old understand the ramifications and permanence of death.

            Were you being serious here?

          4. Do you disagree?

          5. mexican sharpshooter

            I lost my father at 5, my sister was 3. Depending on the kid and how they cope, If one looses a parent or sibling early in childhood they catch on to the “death is permanent” thing pretty quick.

          6. mexican sharpshooter

            Don’t get me wrong, this kid probably had a few unspoken issues.

      1. Or choose what they eat. Or choose what they learn. Or choose…anything.

    2. leonadasiv

      Won’t someone please think of the children!!

      Also, maybe it’s a political issue, because the government has stuck it’s nose into everything. If the government wasn’t in education, and schools had choices to follow our not the new standards, then it would be fast less political. Maybe it’s just me but things get political when you accuse people of having ulterior motives. Bitch.

      1. Akira

        If you think about it, anything involving the government is going to be political.

        It’s aggravating when people want the government to take over some function, then when their political opponents get ahold of the power structure that THEY set up, they squeal, “Oh god, it’s become politicized!! Who did that?!” YOU made it political, you fucking dumbass!

        1. CZmacure

          Political problems have only political solutions.

    3. Slammer

      “Don’t let anybody take us back…”

      What an obnoxious phrase. What’s it supposed to imply? Jim Crow?
      What kind of personality are you hoping to connect with when you use it?

      1. R C Dean

        It assumes that change for change’s sake is always and everywhere a good thing, and ignores that many changes don’t work out as net positives. It baffles me that people who, in a professional setting, espouse the “plan-do-check-act” methodology, throw it out the window when it comes to politics.

        This has come up most recently with the AHCA “reform” bill. Certain of my colleagues have drunk the Kool-Aid that the ACA is the only thing keeping our hospital afloat, even though (a) we net only a few million from Medicaid expansion and (b) we cannot identify any financial uptick from health insurance exchange policies. They are (willingly) misleading themselves based on the way we account for “bad debt” – unpaid bills. We book those at our cost, but if someone has Medicaid (which often pays at a fraction of our cost), we don’t count our unpaid cost as bed debt. So, before Medicaid expansion, we might book bad debt of $10K for an operation. After Medicaid expansion, we might collect $3K for the same operation, but we book zero bad debt. Our bad debt now looks a lot better, but our actual revenue is short of the reduction in bad debt.

    4. Old Man With Candy

      Goddammit, I had that one for the afternoon links. Grumble, grumble.

      Anyway, because I don’t believe in name-calling and prefer rational debate, I’ll just say that she’s a sanctimonious cunt.

      1. ArchieBunker

        No sandbagging links. If you got one lay it out on the table

    5. Rufus the Monocled

      That’s one reactionary and arrogant broad.

    6. Gilmore

      the healthy eating initiative that was her biggest legacy as First Lady

      reason #20928349283 she aint running for @)*(#$) president

  8. Chipwooder

    Ah, the ol’ “I’m making a porno and I’d like you to audition for me” scam.

    1. Rhywun

      You could not pay me enough money in the world to have sex with that. ?‍♂️?

    2. PieInTheSKy

      I honestly did not think anyone would fall for that…

    3. CZmacure

      A SJW Journalist who was stridently opposed to the horrifying misogyny of Gamergate…

      … is currently being prosecuted on four charges of rape by deception for the same scam.

      1. Count Potato

        There seems to be a very strong correlation between outspoken male feminists and men who do horrible things to women.

        Hugo Schwyzer being a notable example.

        1. The Elite Elite

          The old “I’m a POS that can’t control himself, therefore all other men must also be POSs that can’t control themselves” deal?

          1. Count Potato

            Maybe. I’m thinking it’s more like creeps using feminism to try to get in good with the ladies.

    4. R C Dean

      The guy looks like the brother of the “French model” in this ad.

    5. Juvenile Bluster

      I mean, it works for the guys in Backroom Casting Couch, right?

  9. ArchieBunker

    https://www.libertarianinstitute.org/politics/police-oppose-bill-banning-sexual-contact-sex-workers/

    I think I shoulda been a cop. Sex with prostitutes, good drugs, can shoot a nigga when I want to. And a pension. I’ve wasted my life

    1. Suthenboy

      We have a different law in La.

      Here, if the suspect has any sexual contact any and all criminal charges are tossed. I guess they look at it as a temptation that no reasonable person can resist…a kind of coercion.

      1. ArchieBunker

        Sounds unusually reasonable.

        1. Suthenboy

          You know…blind squirrels…

          1. You do know why they’re blind….

          2. nw

            Because they’ve found a lot of nuts?

    2. Count Potato

      “A zero-sexual-contact rule would doom investigations of prostitution — which remains illegal in Alaska — because sex workers have in the past quickly caught on to what police are allowed or not allowed to do in the course of such investigations, Case said.”

      Good.

      1. ArchieBunker

        All you gotta do is ask if their a cop. They have to tell you orbits entrapment. I know this because of tv and it wouldn’t lie to me.

    3. R C Dean

      Sex with prostitutes, good drugs, can shoot a nigga when I want to.

      Now that’s what I call a libertarian moment.

  10. leonadasiv

    The Shadow Brokers are a group of hackers who emerged last August when they leaked some of the US NSA’s hacking tools online, …
    The bug was dumped online just after Donald Trump ordered an airstrike in Syria, leading some to believe the Shadow Brokers have links to the Russian government.

    This Russia Trump angle is getting really hard to follow. Plus it’s kinda insulting to think everyone thinks Russia has all the good hackers.

    1. Scruffy Nerfherder

      Plus it’s kinda insulting to think everyone thinks Russia has all the good hackers.

      Hey, I saw GoldenEye, those dudes seriously know how to send a spike.

      1. Grumbletarian

        THEY ARE INVINCIBLE!

        1. peachy rex

          click-click-click… click-click-click… KA-BOOM!

    2. Yeah, no kidding. Especially since Wikileaks revealed that the NSA can pretty much make anything they do look like it was done by someone else.

      Of course the media went silent on Vault 7 as soon as they realized it ran counter to the deep state narrative they’ve been supplying for decades.

      1. Viking1865

        It’s been months now, and I am still absolutely flabbergasted that the American Left, after decades of

        1. Loving Russia and shouting down accusations of Russian influence.

        2. Hating the CIA and the other spy agencies with the fury of a thousand suns

        has so effortlessly flipped on both these positions. Like, they sound like the most authority fellating versions of the circa 2005 GOP screaming about how the noble spies are out there in the wilds keeping us safe and how dare you question them.

        1. Suthenboy

          The only position they hold is that they want power. Everything that comes out of their mouth is aimed at that.

          1. But there’s literally billions of them. How much power can they get when shared by so many? Or are they expecting to stab each other in the back until there’s only 1 left in the world?

        2. I guess their trademark on “Question Authority” expired.

          1. Count Potato

            They never meant question their authority. Right-thinking only question authority they don’t like.

    3. RegicidalManiac

      “The Shadow Brokers”?

      Someone’s been playing Mass Effect.

  11. LT_Fish

    This didn’t quite make it in the links this week, but I’d say it could be almost as significant as giving the Kurds more weaponry.

    The referendum that’s been in the Iraqi Constitution since 2005 looks like it will finally be taking place after Mosul’s wrapped up.

    There was a Times of London article too, but those bastards are behind a pay site now too.

    FWIW, I think giving them a place of their own could do a lot for stabilization. Of course then it’s just the Shias vs the Sunnis down south…another proxy war between SA and Iran.

    1. Your link led me here:

      Sneaky Jewish bastards! I know your tricknology. Give me a taste for $1 then gyp me in the long run.

      1. LT_Fish

        Hmm, it worked the first time.

    1. Slammer

      REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

      1. PieInTheSKy

        Wait that’s a Nazi meme isn’t it? ISN’T IT?

        1. I think you mean it’s a (((Nazi))) theme.

    2. Rhywun

      “The Arts are going downhill” LOL

      1. Oh the dude talking is hilarious.

        “This is why I’m against the legalization of marijuana.”

        1. Rhywun

          I was picturing Hank Hill.

    3. PieInTheSKy

      Probably is part of her degree on intersectional feminist performance art and quantum mechanics.

    4. straffinrun

      An absolute would from me.

      1. Rhywun

        Was it the nice rack or the primal growling?

        1. straffinrun

          I miss threaded. Thought this was the creep neighbor thing.

    5. Grumbletarian

      Well, that was a spirited political debate.

    6. SimonD

      That wasn’t an unhinged crazy person. That was strategic. If words are violence, that was a deliberate assault.

  12. Viking1865

    Was up all night finishing “Shattered”. Man, what a ride. What’s staggering about the book is that despite the authors being just absolutely enormous lefties and huge fans of Hillary Clinton, they still manage to show just how tone deaf, incompetent, and just completely unfit to lead she is. Like there will be a passage talking about how she’s so super gifted at policy details, followed by a passage explaining the absolutely retarded command structure that would only make sense to an apparatchik, anyone who had actually managed anything ever in the private sector would have recoiled in horror.

    The page I read twice, shuddering with a little frisson of ecstasy, was the moment that Fox called Wisconsin, and the new data approach/analytics people knew it was over, but the old Clinton hands, the ones who had been with Her Majesty for 20 years, were just frantically wishing it would reverse itself, begging her not to call The Donald and concede, because “there’s still a chance!!!!” The image of all these loathsome parasites, the hope running from their eyes and faces as the doors of power they had been crawling to their whole lives were slammed shut in their faces by a man that they all not only disliked, but actively hated, and thought they were every single one of them, so much smarter than.

    Man I wish I could have seen it in person.

    1. Count Potato

      Except she is not so super gifted at policy details. Remember the health care plan she cooked up as First Lady?

      1. Rhywun

        Except she is not so super gifted at policy details.

        No but everybody says she is and that’s all that counts.

        See also, the last eight years.

      2. Viking1865

        THAT WAS A GREAT PLAN, THE STUPID AMERICAN PUBLIC DIDN’T ACCEPT HER GREATNESS.

        The after election chapter where she blamed Comey, the KGB, and the KKK for her loss was hilarious.

        Yes, tens of thousands of people who voted for Obama twice voted for Trump, and that’s why the KKK (like, there are probably more Ready for HIllary!!! employees in the country then there are actual KKK members) is to blame for Her Wonderfulness losing.

        1. Count Potato

          I’d be surprised if all the actual KKK members couldn’t comfortably fit in a high school auditorium.

          1. Viking1865

            Oh yeah. Like, any mid sized school district’s teachers voting in lockstep for Clinton (and there’s a ton of them) would instantly nullify every single remaining Klansman.

            But in the spongy, worm eaten brains of Clinton world, the KKK are an actual political force. These people literally live in the past. George Wallace is standing in every door.

          2. The Elite Elite

            The Democrat George Wallace?

          3. Viking1865

            THE PARTIES FLIPPED PLACES!!!!!!!!!!

        2. Count Potato

          From back in November, and a bit long to read, but still holds up:

          http://slatestarcodex.com/2016/11/16/you-are-still-crying-wolf/

          “Trump made gains among blacks. He made gains among Latinos. He made gains among Asians. The only major racial group where he didn’t get a gain of greater than 5% was white people. I want to repeat that: the group where Trump’s message resonated least over what we would predict from a generic Republican was the white population.”

    2. JD

      No way I was reading the entire book but I did read that part in the bookstore. Enjoyed a bit of schadenfreude with my latte.

      I noticed the lack of alcohol consumption during that night, so I’m not sure what other details were left out.

      It sounded like Bill was the most calm and probably pleased that Hillary lost.

      1. Viking1865

        It sounded like Bill was the most calm and probably pleased that Hillary lost.

        Scumbag Terry McAuliffe was planning to fly from VA to NYC for the big party. After Florida went bigly Trump, Bill called Terry and told him not to bother flying up.

        Bill had been the only one in the room throughout who was tapped into the zeitgeist. He got it, he understood what drove the Trump supporters. He had repeatedly voiced his belief that the Clinton campaign had whiplashed way too hard from 2008. They decided from the start they would build the Obama coalition, completely fucking avoiding the fact that the Obama coalition was essentially a cult of personality. Obama got elected twice, and maintained high approval ratings, while his policies polled terribly and the Democratic Party imploded. There isn’t really an Obama coalition, there’s Obama, and his magic doesn’t transfer to other people. They weren’t ever gonna get the same response. The types of people who are all about Obama in 08 were either feeling the Bern in 2016, or like stupid young leftists throughout history, were voting Republican because they had realized that the when the Left talked about the 1%, they really meant anyone who actually earned enough money to pay taxes.

        It was identity politics killed the beast. The deplorables remark crystallized 20 years of Democratic Party contempt for the white working class in one beautiful soundbite. White men are 35% of the electorate. Their wives, mothers, and daughters are another 35% of the electorate. When you make white men the designated Goldstein, responsible for all the ills and evils of the world, you’re instantly putting your ceiling at 55% of the electorate, tops.

        Bill wasn’t pleased she lost, he did want her to win. But there’s definitely a sense of him having spent 2 years being smiled at and thanked for his input by all these analytics guys who thought that Obama beating McCain and Rommney meant that they had solved politics forever and Bill was just an old warhorse to be lead around the pasture once or twice and patronized. Except the Old Man was right the whole time, playing the role of Cassandra.

        1. JD

          That’s the exact impression I got about Bill being ignored and quietly thinking “I told you” on election night.

          1. dbleagle

            I didn’t think that I would enjoy “Shattered” since the authors intended to write a hagiography of Clinton. But I must admit I am enjoying the hell out of the book. They are writing like it is a classic greek tragedy but with lots of inside baseball that should destroy Mook, Podesta and others from ever running a campaign above 8th Grade Class president. Bill comes across as the only adult in the room and it is clear from the first page HRC had no idea of the mood of the country, how to lead or a coherent reason for her to be POTUS besides it was her turn.

        2. R C Dean

          The deplorables remark crystallized 20 years of Democratic Party contempt for the white working class

          I’ve thought the truly appalling part of that statement wasn’t the “basket of deplorables”, it was calling them “irredeemable” and “not America”.

          You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic — you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up. He has given voice to their websites that used to only have 11,000 people — now 11 million. He tweets and retweets their offensive hateful mean-spirited rhetoric. Now, some of those folks — they are irredeemable, but thankfully they are not America.

          She was reading them out of society, and saying under no circumstances should they be regarded as decent human beings or Americans. No matter what Trump says or does, I don’t think he will ever do anything that reprehensible.

          1. dbleagle

            I think you hit the nail on the head RC. That comment plus telling WV miners she was going to put them out of work doomed her in the rust belt. There were millions of people who wanted to send a huge “Fuck You Hillary and Media!” and DT was their means to do so.

            She had already lost the votes of almost everybody who had ever held a security clearance and lived outside of DC with her mendacity over the server issue. “Shattered” at the start of an early chapter lays out how big of bed of lies she was making in regards to the server issue- HRC in 2008 had her campaign servers examined so she and a small group could find out who was “disloyal” to her in emails.

            DT may well be a train wreck over the next four years but the country dodged a bullet by trying to put her out to pasture.

  13. Suthenboy

    Holy crap. It has been a while since I looked at PJ Media. What a shit-show. It looks like they went down the same road as TSTSNBN, SoCon version. It looks like their commentariat also flew the coop.

    The best thing Trump has done is getting everyone to rip off their masks.

    1. straffinrun

      It looks like they’re just passing them around.

    2. PieInTheSKy

      That’s exactly somehting Robby would say

      1. To be sure.

      2. The Elite Elite

        I thought that was something ENB would say.

    3. John Titor

      So wait, you mean PJ media went full socon, or all the socons left? I don’t check that site.

    4. R C Dean

      By and large, I am disappointed with PJ Media. I still follow Instapundit and Belmont Club (which is essential reading, IMO), but other than that . . . .

    5. Somalian Road Corporation

      Ugh, that’s dismaying. I like Ed Driscoll and some other writers there but I haven’t been reading PJ Media in a while either.

      Once the FSB installs those fucking Trumputins into somebody’s brain, though, prospects become very dim. I checked back in on Reason when the Comey story broke, only to directly see what people were making inferences about here–breathlessly reporting the claim from anonymous sources in the NYT that investigation resources were denied, which was directly contradicted by McCabe, as an absolute fact that “we know”. Also, Soave not being accurate about the UW self-defense shooting, and the dead grandma thing a few months ago… I mean, I can get my pants-shitting fake news anywhere, Reason.

  14. Man, if the branches are open, why can’t I send a domestic wire transfer on a Saturday? Fucking banks.

    1. AlmightyJB

      I know it’s ridicules. Banks need to move into this century. How many people are out car shopping today? And all the banks close early.

  15. PieInTheSKy

    The case for libertarian fascism

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2-jH1vFrW8

    1. Count Potato

      I like That Guy T, but in general I find sitting through YouTubes of people talking very time inefficient.

    2. straffinrun

      Amazing atheist is the Olberman of left leaning libertarians.

      1. The Elite Elite

        Left leaning libertarians? Wasn’t TAA a Bernie Bro?

        1. straffinrun

          Thought he referred to himself as one. Tend to tune him out real quick, though.

          1. The Elite Elite

            Yeah, he’s utterly obnoxious, even when it’s an anti-SJW video were I agree with him.

          2. straffinrun

            Pretty bad when the choir puts in ear plugs while listening to your sermon.

          3. The Elite Elite

            Frankly, both him and Undoomed get real old, real quick for me. I stopped watching them, just couldn’t take it anymore. I think someone like Bearing does a much better job of making fun of some stupidity while not being an over-the-top jackass with it.

          4. straffinrun

            My guilty pleasure YouTuber is Chris Ray Gun. I don’t expect much heavy lifting, but am usually entertained.

      2. John Titor

        Amazing atheist is not a libertarian, he’s a left-winger who thinks social justice politics are insane. He’s also an idiot and a compulsive liar. He threw a hissy fit over Ron Paul a couple years ago about how he’s really a Nazi.

  16. american socialist

    Why isnt comey going to testify?

    This guy on photo of right called it

    https://mobile.twitter.com/polNewsForever/status/863195898846826497

    1. Gilmore

      I don’t see any reverse vampires in his rationale. Grade = Incomplete

    2. AlmightyJB

      Aren’t all white house meetings recorded? Or did they quit that after Nixon?

    1. Slammer

      Thanks!

  17. Count Potato

    I know this was posted before, but it’s so retarded it bears repeating:

    “The core responsibility, however, is to report bias claims. Bias incidents, which in recent years are increasingly being policed on college campuses, can range from outright acts of racism to far more subtle “microaggressions” such as referring to someone as a “guy” or wearing dreadlocks while white.”

    https://heatst.com/culture-wars/u-of-arizona-is-hiring-social-justice-advocates-to-police-fellow-students-for-bias-incidents/

    1. Juvenile Bluster

      Dammit!

    2. John Titor

      wearing dreadlocks while white.

      Sigh. For the last time you morons, even if you follow your retarded cultural appropriation theories, dreadlocks are a part of Western culture, they go back to the bloody Greeks.

    3. mexican sharpshooter

      I’ve never been happier to have chosen not to attend UA. The only thing my college has to be embarrased about are frat fights resulting in homicide and gun owning, lesbian hippies.

  18. Juvenile Bluster

    East German Stasi University of Arizona offering payments to collaborators “Social Justice Advocates” for reporting class traitors bias incidents.

    https://heatst.com/culture-wars/u-of-arizona-is-hiring-social-justice-advocates-to-police-fellow-students-for-bias-incidents/

    (link via iowahawk)

    1. Count Potato

      I’ve never even been in Iowa.

      “With the goal of creating a “safe space” in mind, a Detroit school has set out to hold a girls-only prom to celebrate traditional Muslim customs.”

      https://heatst.com/culture-wars/detroit-school-to-hold-muslim-girls-only-prom/

      1. AlmightyJB

        To be fair, in Detroit, their “safe” space is literally a safe space. The parents used sjw retardedness to their advantage.

    2. Count Potato

      “Black Harvard students are holding their own, separate commencement ceremony two days before the ceremony being held for everybody else.

      In a first for the Ivy League school, the event will take place on May 23, ahead of the main commencement on May 25. According to The Boston Globe, 170 students have signed up, plus 530 guests.

      Graduating students will wear a stole – a kind of scarf – woven from African kente cloth during the ceremony, and hear from keynote speakers.”

      https://heatst.com/world/harvard-lets-black-students-have-separate-graduation-ceremony/

      Will there also be separate water fountains?

      1. AlmightyJB

        “Students who opt for the separate event will also go to the main commencement two days later.”

        And that cost how much? Oh, that’s right, it doesn’t matter.

        1. AlmightyJB

          I’m sure they’ll want the rest of us to pay off their student loans though.

      2. Grumbletarian

        Make sure they put a sign out front reading “Coloreds Only.”

        1. AlmightyJB

          Maybe we can sell freedom of association soon?

    3. AlmightyJB

      The thing is about the whole sjw policing thing, is that there is NO limit to how far they can take it. That may be a good source of entertainment for years to come.

  19. LT_Fish

    Remy calls Venezuela like it is.

    Booyah!

    1. straffinrun

      Nailed it except for the part where the intellectual blames Chavez.

      1. Suthenboy

        My latest favorite term is “State Capitalism”

  20. LT_Fish

    Too Thicc for HM!

    I think something’s being appropriated here….not sure what.

    1. AlmightyJB

      I’d like to appropriate some of that

    2. Azathoth

      Isn’t it interesting that while one sees a lot of ass-shaking from Brazil, one doesn’t see a whole lot of twerking?

      Oh, there’s some, but samba seems to be the ass-shaker of choice.

    3. Playa Manhattan

      Nobody needs 42 inches.

    1. The Elite Elite

      It’s basically the alt right version of Animal Planet’s Whale Wars.

      God, I’m so sick of hearing “alt-right” already. It’s already become what “neocon” was during the Bush years. A word that might have actually had a real meaning at one point, but now is just a pejorative for anyone that supports Trump.

      1. Juvenile Bluster

        Whatever the definition is or was, Lauren Southern qualified for it.

    2. AlmightyJB

      Response. I haven’t watched whole thing yet but saw this earlier.

      https://youtu.be/uSBpHqv-OUo

    3. Rhywun

      “That’s our job.”

      /Italian Coast Guard

      1. R C Dean

        Then fucking do it.

    1. straffinrun
      1. Tundra

        Only one released so far, it looks like. Funny, it sounds like the Outfield!

    1. Juvenile Bluster

      Racist?

    2. Tundra

      Wow! That’s cool!

      …unfortunately, it’s not available to paint your car in,…

      Oh. Never mind.

      1. Count Potato

        Your car would be hot as hell in the Summer.

        1. Tundra

          Summer?

          1. Count Potato

            Oh sorry, I meant “July”.

    3. Rhywun

      Freaky

    4. Gilmore

      They call the color, “Anthony Mason

      “It sees light coming, and it slaps the shit out of it back to where it came from”

    5. straffinrun

      Road Runner used this stuff back in the day.

      1. straffinrun

        lol. Some day I’ll learn myself to read.

    6. thrakkorzog

      How much more black could it be?

      1. Gilmore

        It hasn’t yet gone through its afrocentric phase where it rejects the white scientist’s tricknology and demands to return to its homeland

    7. Creosote Achilles

      No story about Vantablack is complete without the Stuart Semple / Anish Kapoor feud revolving around it.

      Rapper Got Nothing On These Guys

      I mean, really, Stuart is an artist who got a degree in materials science just to fuck with another artist.

    8. Password gl1b

      Their new spray-on version, called Vantablack S-VIS, now allows them to apply Vantablack to much larger objects, which means there really is a possibility of stealth jets being painted in the stuff.

      … I’m not sure that’s a great idea.

      Better application: go out in public buck naked with a couple of real-life censor bars covering one’s anatomy.

  21. Stinky Wizzleteats

    Jeebus, that Sun link on the cyber attack has more T&A in the sidebar than some porn sites-well done Brits.

    1. Count Potato

      They actually outdo the Daily Mail in that regard. Which is something.

        1. Tundra

          It doesn’t suit her.

          Still would, though.

          1. Stinky Wizzleteats

            First pic looks like a young Perry Farrell in a blonde wig but I have to concur on the would though.

        2. AlmightyJB

          Would not listen to, but would eat.

    2. Juvenile Bluster

      urge to kill rising

      1. Count Potato

        huh?

        1. Stinky Wizzleteats

          A Simpsons reference maybe (my avater and Jeebus) -possibly really dislikes T&A for some reason.

          1. Rhywun

            IIRC he is a fellow Liverpool fan.

          2. Juvenile Bluster

            This is correct.

    1. Juvenile Bluster

      Yet he voted to confirm Sessions. Knowing exactly what he’d be like.

      1. Tundra

        Yes. This is the stuff that baffles me about Rand (and Amash, come to think of it). Gotta be horse trading, doesn’t it?

      2. Viking1865

        Very possible promises were made by Trump that there would be MJ federalism or a focus on violent drug offenders over non violent. Also possible Rand has worked with Sessions and thought he was making inroads.

    2. Count Potato

      “Is this Senator Paul’s new claim to fame? He has been at this issue for some time now, and it always wins bipartisan support. ”

      The war on drugs has also always won bipartisan support.

  22. straffinrun

    Ebola: WHO declares outbreak in DR Congo

    Which one of you is responsible for that?

    1. Suthenboy

      At first glance I read “Ebola outbreak in Chicago” and I wasn’t the least bit surprised.

    2. Oh goody. Another freakout about how immigration from Africa is going to kill 80 kajillion Americams, just like the last Ebola outbreak did.

      1. John Titor

        Ah, the Great Ebola Freakout of 2014, never forget.

        1. Count Potato

          I remember having to fill out a form when I went to the doctor’s office.

        2. A high school friend is now an infectious disease specialist doctor type person. He went to Liberia for that and wrote a pretty decent book about it. I was tempted to submit a review here, as I remember how it was a big deal at H&R, but then I realized it isn’t a foreign horror movie, video game, or recipe including Zatarains liquid crab boil so no one here would give a rats ass.

        3. Bob

          Those people didn’t understand the vibrancy and diversity of having low IQ immigrants was well worth the hospital costs to the taxpayer.

    3. RBS

      /Lights PapayaSF signal

  23. Ken Shultz

    “Sessions argued that a spike in violence in some big cities and the nation’s opioid epidemic call for a return to harsher prison sentences.”

    We’ve done this experiment before. Sessions argument defies the data–and basic economics.

    When sentencing for drug crimes exceeds sentencing for violent crime, it incentivises violence. If killing someone who might testify against you will get 5-7 years (after time off for good behavior), but being convicted for drug distribution in federal court means you’re doing 32 years minimum (parole eligibility only after you do 80% of your sentence), then having someone killed to prevent them from testifying against you for drug distribution is a no-brainer. Furthermore, you no longer depend on strangers for distribution. You only distribute using extremely violent gang soldiers a) who don’t squeal and b) who aren’t as afraid of doing time.

    Much of the proliferation of violent gangs across the United States in the ’80s and early ’90s can be attributed to those kinds of incentives. The reason the Cripps and Bloods led the way had to do with them arming themselves to the teeth to defend against Daryl Gates’ introduction of SWAT tactics in Los Angeles. They wanted to defend their crack houses against the police–and the gangs could then turn those arms on each other. That the most heavily armed gangs predominated nationally as federal sentencing guidelines grew harsher shouldn’t have surprised anyone.

    In all honesty, there was one thing that harsher sentences changed for the better in some ways–and that was the three strikes law.

    Long story short, when California’s three strikes law came into effect, the people who were given life sentences because of three strikes blamed public support for the law on media hype about drive-by shootings, innocent bystanders being hit in drive-by shootings, etc. They started treating kids in prison convicted of drive-by shootings like they treat people convicted of sex crimes against children–and that all but killed the drive-by shooting as a phenomenon. Even then, though, the impact three strikes had wasn’t as expected. No one sold three strikes as a way to get rid of drive-by shooting by having convicts gang rape each other. And my complaint about three strikes has a moral dimension to it anyway. Double jeopardy, anybody?

    Anyway, the new emergence of violence does not call for harsher prison sentences for drug distribution. If anything, the emergence of violence calls for harsher prison sentences for violent crime.

    1. Count Potato

      I think a big part of is with marijuana becoming increasingly legal, they want to double-down on opiates. There is too much money and power in the WOD.

  24. Gilmore

    Did anyone see Welch on Bill Maher’s show? i figure ‘no’

    1. Ken Shultz

      Not I.

    2. Ken Shultz

      Did you see it? Was it worth watching?

      1. Gilmore

        i’m downloading it just to see if welch wears a terrible tie.

        the guests were supposed to be pretty good tho (rapper killer mike of Run the Jewels, and some time Independents guest, and Obama speechwriter Jon Favreau, who i was just reading about in Shattered). thought maybe some heavy-smack-talk broke out. Basically, Matt and Huge Black Rapper vs. Obama sycophant.

        1. Gilmore

          *matt’s tie was conservative and not so bad. navy/royal-striped on blue.

        2. Gilmore

          And is Favreau gay? i got pings the second he started talking.

          1. Rhywun

            I dunno but I liked him in Swingers.

          2. Gilmore

            even Maher was like, “This is the *other* – slimmer – Favreau”

            which i think everyone recognizes is a joke that has gotten very old.

            Maher has a very nice moment with Matt early in the show where he looks at him and goes, “You’re a republican right?” And Matt has to be like, “I TOLD YOU A MIZZILION TIMES YO” and then slaps back (to Maher) with “You gave Obama a million bucks, and call yourself ‘independent’.”

            The word “libertarian” did not come up between either of them. take that as you will. I assume it was because Maher was being nice. He could have made Johnsonesque digs.

          3. Gilmore

            Also, the audience at that show is @(#*$( horrible

            they clap at whatever Killer Mike says, because “black guy speaks in full sentences!!! horray!!” I suspect Mike recognizes this.

            they applaud all mahers dumbest jokes, but there’s a long delay whenever he says anything smart. Matt gets stony silence.

          4. Rhywun

            which i think everyone recognizes is a joke that has gotten very old.

            Yeah, I hesitated to even make it but somebody was going to.

          5. Rhywun

            Also, the audience at that show is @(#*$( horrible

            So, nothing’s changed since I stopped watching him more than a decade ago.

          6. John Titor

            Hitchens nailed his audience years ago. Guess things haven’t changed.

          7. Gilmore

            The middle of Maher’s show last night was devoted to a 10 minute segment where Bill basically repeated “Trump is Fat!”. and then capped it off with his showing the audience a revised= “The Art of the Meal“-book.

            the audience went wild. that’s the sort of stuff they think is ace material.

          8. Gilmore

            Here’s his “Trump is Fat” -segment

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvLQqe79eGY

            Deep stuff

          9. The Elite Elite

            Maybe I’m remembering wrong, but I could’ve sworn I’d seen a clip where even Maher admits his audience will clap for anything he says.

          10. Greg F

            Last time I was in a studio audience there was a guy that stood in front with signs to instruct the audience what to do. You end up reacting more to the guy with the signs then you do to what is happening on stage.

        3. Rufus the Monocled

          And? What does it say about Favreau? And I’d like to know how did an actor get to be a political speechwriter?

          Because I gotta say…not overly impressed.

          Other than that…I too liked ‘Swingers’ because it depicts pretty much how things were for us in our 20s.

          Sigh.

          1. Gilmore

            And? What does it say about Favreau? And I’d like to know how did an actor get to be a political speechwriter?

            sigh

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Favreau_(speechwriter)

            i think its interesting about both Favreau and Ben Rhodes is that neither of them ever seem to have had a real job. they graduated college, got some internship with a political person, and then got “recommended” up the ladder until they were working for presidents.

            he was one of these typical “college student government” types, who collects awards and scholarships and internships

            In 2001, Favreau worked with Habitat for Humanity and a University of Massachusetts Amherst program to bring visitors to cancer patients. In 2002, he became head of an initiative to help unemployed individuals improve their resumes and interview skills. He also earned a variety of honors in college, including the Vanicelli Award; being named the 2001 Charles A. Dana Scholar; memberships in the Political Science Honor Society, Pi Sigma Alpha, the College Honors Program, the Sociology Honor Society, Alpha Kappa Delta, and was awarded a Harry S. Truman Scholarship in 2002.[8] He was an editor on his college newspaper, and during summers in college, he earned extra income selling newspapers as a telemarketer, while also interning in John Kerry’s offices

          2. Rufus the Monocled

            Oh….THAT J.F.

    3. Count Potato

      I saw it for about 3 minutes. Adam Schiff said that if there wasn’t collusion between Trump and the Russians, then Comey would not have been fired. Although I forget his exact words.

      1. Gilmore

        Adam Schiff said that if there wasn’t collusion between Trump and the Russians, then Comey would not have been fired.

        Was that the guest at the beginning 1/3 of the show? I skipped right past that.

        1. Count Potato

          Yes, the one-on-one interview at the beginning.

        2. one true athena

          Luckily not my personal Rep (he’s Burbank, IIRC) but a tool who’s on LA tv ALL THE FREAKING TIME. man, he’s such a Dem party whore.

    4. Gilmore

      Also – something that just occurred to me

      they had Favreau on, who (according to Shattered) worked intimately w/ Hillary Clinton’s campaign right before it launched, but abandoned it in the beginning because he saw it was headed for disaster.

      And Maher didn’t ask him a single fucking question about Hillary.

      1. Viking1865

        Uh what would Obama’s speechwriter know about Russian Hacking?

        Finishing Shattered last night, I was struck by just how close the book came to finally understanding that the issue with Her has always been that she is who she is. It’s not the speeches, not the electorate, not the media, not the Russians. She sucks, in every way it is possible for a human being to suck, and the country fucking knows it, and showed it by electing a literal carnival freak President over her.

        Hillary: We’re Just Not That Into You.

  25. Ken Shultz

    Speaking of insignificant sentences for violent crime:

    “You never would have thought just one sucker punch would snuff his beautiful life out,” Julie Campos said.

    Police Lt. Dan McGrath said Campos was standing in line outside the Vanguard Lounge when Beach stopped while walking past, asked what Campos was looking at, and punched him.

    Beach’s attorney, Gregory Knapp, said his client didn’t mean to kill Campos, and will plead not guilty to a murder charge.

    “It was a horrible accident and Mr. Beach feels terrible,” Knapp said of the 1:30 a.m. incident. “Words were exchanged on some level and a punch was thrown. There was no premeditation, no malice. You don’t expect someone to die. It was spontaneous.”

    Beach was released from state prison in September 2014 after served more than four years for pleading . . . guilty to attempted murder and battery with a deadly weapon in a November 2008 shooting. A 19-year-old man was wounded in the heart and another man was wounded in the groin, according to court records.”

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/felon-arrested-punch-death-las-vegas-sidewalk-47287148

    Focus on that last sentence. He plead guilty to shooting someone in the heart and shooting another in the groin. He plead guilty to attempted murder and battery with a deadly weapon.

    He served about four years in prison.

    If an uptick in violence justifies anything, it isn’t harsher penalties for drug crimes; it justifies harsher penalties for violent crime.

    1. Suthenboy

      What are you talking about? Your reasoning is faulty. The CJ system isnt there to protect you, silly.

    2. Rhywun

      *swoon*

      1. Stinky Wizzleteats

        Those beautiful dead eyes do it for you, eh?

        1. Rhywun

          Soulful, dead – whatevz.

          FOX goes with the triptych treatment.

    3. Viking1865

      Focus on that last sentence. He plead guilty to shooting someone in the heart and shooting another in the groin. He plead guilty to attempted murder and battery with a deadly weapon.

      He served about four years in prison.

      Gonna guess that was drug related. That’s the kind of “all in the game”/”no humans involved” crimes that David Simon wrote about a bunch.

  26. Creosote Achilles

    Since the links seem to involve Portland, Hillbillys, and Drugs, I will provide another update on my ventures into agricultural entrepreneurship.

    This week’s theme is, I didn’t choose the Start-up Life, the Start-up Life chose me.

    Last week we went down to southern Oregon, in the back of beyond. A place that the three people in Bum Fuck, Egypt refer to as where Jesus Lost His Slippers. We helped some compadres who taught us a great deal, and one of whom is a helluva breeder, start clearing the land the purchased for their med grow. Couple of nights of camping rough, cutting trees, and building shit during the day, then spending the evening smoking up after shooting guns into the stumps.

    Back at our farm, we continue to make improvements. We have a factory of sorts setup. There’s the veg room where we do cloning and getting seeds up to size. We’ve spent this week redoing it to make it easier and more efficient; adding drains and better storage, improving the water delivery system. The next step is the hoop houses where we can either grow the plants from 5 gallon up to 65 gallon pots. We have those wired now, and improved ventilation. Probably the part of most interest is I got to practice using a wood chipper. We had a couple of cedar trees that were blocking the light, so they came down and we rented a wood chipper and chewed those bitches up to make mulch for inside the hoops to keep pests and grass down. When the revolution comes I will be ready to do my part.

    The flower room hit harvest time, so we are drying the product. We’ve done some test smokes, and made some shatter from that already, but the bulk of it needs to cure. I’m really looking forward to make some RSO out of a strain called Frank’s Gift. A colleague provided some capsules last year with RSO in it and the pain relief for sore muscles and joints is terrific without making you high (unless you have a really low tolerance). The bulk though has to dry and then be further trimmed and cured before it is ready to sell. We have most of it earmarked for specific patients already.

    Which is the other good thing. We are finally out of the pre-revenue stage! We have revenue. Most of the shatter is already claimed and we’ll be giving that to our patient later today and he will have a nice donation for us. We also provided another patient with clones yesterday. We have more lined up and that’s going to be a nice revenue stream every week. We finally have the equipment to basically turn enough of those out each week that we can be consistent.

    The house I’m selling is under contract. But I’ve spent way too much time this week cleaning up dried cat piss before the inspection. Fucking renters snuck in a cat that was not well-behaved. I kept their security deposit, but I think I have the problem solved. We’re in escrow now so if the back out it is going to cost them 10 grand. Got to get that finalized though. We are going to look at a beautiful piece of land on Monday that may be the spot for the rec grow. A river bounds it on two sides and it has serious potential. If that works out, we could be setting up the second med grow and starting the rec grow approval process by the end of May. Fingers crossed.

    The Mrs. has been incredibly patient as I see her for about an hour in the mornings when I take her to work, and then maybe she sees me at night for five minutes when I make it to bed. I use to cook dinner every night, but we’re usually working now, and she’s been up to her own devices. Which means Ramen, Spaghettios, and Cheese Quesadillas for dinner for her. She made a comment about the long hours and number of days in a row working, which is when I made the “I didn’t choose the Start-Up Life” comment. This afternoon and evening is date day though so that’s good. The girl on the side has drifted away a bit, but I kind of expected that. Not enough time to keep it going. Fortunately seems there are no hard feelings and I don’t blame her for not wanting to deal with the lunatic schedule I’m keeping now.

    As always, feel free to ask questions.

    1. Count Potato

      What’s an RSO?

      1. Creosote Achilles

        It stands for Rick Simpson Oil. It’s an oil made from buds and fan leaves from certain strains that has primarily medical uses. Simpson claims it cured his cancer. I have my doubts about that, but in my experience taking it in a gel cap or adding it to lineament helps with joint pain and muscle soreness.

        1. Count Potato

          OK, thanks.

    2. Viking1865

      The Mrs. has been incredibly patient as I see her for about an hour in the mornings

      The girl on the side has drifted away a bit, but I kind of expected that. Not enough time to keep it going.

      Que?

      1. Suthenboy

        What part of that needs explaining?

      2. R C Dean

        The Mrs. has been incredibly patient as I see her for about an hour in the mornings

        Could be her dream come true, you know.

        1. Creosote Achilles

          We do have one night/day per week that are date nights. But yes, she can introvert and read without me being all loud and extroverty.

      3. Creosote Achilles

        The Mrs. and I aren’t monogamous. We aren’t swingers, but we both occasionally allow a relationship to develop as it will.

        1. Playa Manhattan

          Go on…

    3. R C Dean

      Awesome. Can’t imagine why you would need more than a five gallon pot for any of your plants, though. A, uh, friend of mine had some very successful grows in five gallon buckets.

      1. Creosote Achilles

        Being legal for a med grow, the limit is on the number of plants, not the pounds produced. The only way to increase yield is bigger plants. So…bigger buckets. The method we are using is a type of trellising that can net 8+ lbs per plant.

        1. R C Dean

          Interesting. Things have advanced since my friend was growing. I would think the only way to get a gargantuan plant would be to delay flowering, which you could only do with a fully indoor grow.

          1. Creosote Achilles

            Oh, we use light deprivation to control when it goes into flower even with the hoop houses. We also use a non-nutrient medium that allows for more frequent feeding so it can grow larger, faster during veg state. But yes, that’s effectively what we’re doing. We are prolonging that veg state to make the plants bigger. I don’t understand that part 100%. I’m more the jack-leg engineer / operations / metrics / penny pincher.

          2. Count Potato

            Push N, starve PK, is an approach to grow large leafy vegetables before they bolt.

  27. Derpetologist

    48 cars crash into the same house over the course of a year. That would be shocking if not for the country involved.

    https://heatst.com/world/forty-eight-cars-crash-into-same-house-during-the-last-year/

    1. Somalia?

  28. Derpetologist

    neat: US Phds awarded by gender and field
    https://www.nsf.gov/statistics/2017/nsf17306/datatables/tab-06.htm

    I was pleased to see that about half of PhDs are for STEM fields. I was worried that lots of bullshit PhDs were being awarded.

    I wonder what the breakdown is for 4 yr degrees.

    1. R C Dean

      For four year degrees (all types), I would expect it to be about 60% female, based on enrollment. The fact that people are still gibbering and hooting about how “our girls” need special treatment in our education system when they do better across the board by any metric (due to the feminization of our education system and the resulting hostility to normal boys) infuriates me.

      For STEM, I have no idea.

      1. Stinky Wizzleteats

        More Adderall should help to correct that disparity.

        1. Derpetologist

          I read a funny story about a mother of two girls watching some young boys play. The mother of the girls was horrified and told the mother of the boys that they all had ADHD and why wasn’t she medicating them?

          A boy that can sit still for hours is either heavily drugged, sick, or depressed.

          “There are 96 ridges on every checker, except this one.”
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BwV26j9iY0

          1. Rhywun

            A boy that can sit still for hours is either heavily drugged, sick, or depressed.

            Or me. I was that kid that sat in a chair with a book all day.

          2. Rhywun

            Heh, fortunately there were always kids around me who were far nerdier and bore the brunt of all that shit.

          3. Derpetologist

            random thought: You studied German, right? Here’s a story you might like:

            In my 12th grade English class, we spent a few weeks on Slaughterhouse Five. The teacher told us that there was a joke in the name Valencia Merble, the fat wife. She said Valencia means furniture in German. I corrected her and told her that no, but Merble sounds like the German word for furniture (Moebel). She was unhappy at that because I guess she had spent several years teaching the wrong thing.

            I gave her a college scholarship essay to edit and her suggestions were appalling. It looked like a blind idiot translation from Japanese. It was shocking that a college-educated native speaker of English could write so poorly…and still end up as an English teacher.

          4. Viking1865

            Nah, I have it on good authority that schoolteachers are all super duper smart, you know they’re smart because they’re often the smartest people in the room!!!!

            Plus they hate the Drumpf, which is worth like 30 IQ points right there.

          5. Rhywun

            Yup. Exchange-studented there too.

            She said Valencia means furniture in German.

            And I don’t know how anyone with a high-school diploma let alone a college degree could possibly go through life believing that.

      2. Ken Shultz

        Incidental reports suggest that there are still few women civil engineering graduates. Apparently they’re just not that interested.

        Many more on the environmental engineering side, and I see a lot of women biologists working on commercial real estate projects. One time, we had representatives from our biology consultant meet on site with two reps each from Fish and Wildlife, The County, and the state of CA, and everyone there was a woman except for me.

        I suspect there’s more to the fact that women dominate allied healthcare and education than just their natural proclivities and interests. I think they’ve gravitated to those industries in the past because they know it isn’t dominated by men. I think a lot of them don’t like the idea of being the only woman on the job site– and all their bosses men–and so they don’t bother jumping through the hoops to become a geotechnical engineer. They jump through the hoops to become a surgical nurse or a physical therapist.

        Actually, that’s my working theory on why there were so many gay guys in healthcare, too. I think women have historically been more tolerant of that in the past, and so gay guys gravitated to professions where management, certainly on the clinical side, tended to be dominated by women: the Director of Nursing, Health Information Management even, etc.

        When I was working construction as a kid, there were plenty of smart guys out there who would have had a hard time imagining themselves working in an office full of women, where they constantly had to worry about what they were saying and how they said it. They just didn’t find that idea appealing. For women, I think it may be the same thing in reverse. Do you really want to be the only female? Even when they go out, they go out in a group, which is why you need a wingman.

        1. Greg F

          Incidental reports suggest that there are still few women civil engineering graduates. Apparently they’re just not that interested.

          Many more on the environmental engineering side, and I see a lot of women biologists working on commercial real estate projects.

          When I was in school civil engineering was not considered to be a very rigorous discipline by the other engineering fields. The joke was he who couldn’t became a civie. At least they were required to have some basic hard science. Not a lot of woman in hard science because their brains are not wired that way.

          I spent about 4 years working at a museum where my boss was a civie. His ability to apply basic science (alternative energy projects) was none to impressive. All the biologist at the museum except one were woman and quite bright. The one male biologist was a meat head. His emails you would have thought were written by a third grader. Biology is a lot of memorization and some basic chemistry. Not really hard science.

          In the spring we got a half a dozen freshly minted ivy league educated ‘environmental engineering’ interns. Female to male ratio was 5:1. Hard science was entirely foreign to them. They didn’t know the difference between a Watt and a Joul and you could probably get most of them to sign a petition to ban dihydrogen monoxide. They were essentially a bag of walking talking environmental myths. Calling them engineers reminds me of Iowahawk’s description of what lefties do to institutions which can equally apply to what they do to the English language.

          1. Identify a respected label (engineering).
          2. Kill it.
          3. Gut it.
          4. Wear its carcass as a skin suit, while demanding respect.

    2. one true athena

      more women than men in Humanities/Soc Sci and life sciences. That means so many ‘intersectional feminists” getting degrees in garbage.

      Saw AEI stats the other day that more women than men are getting degrees at every level now (AA to PhD).

    3. Ken Shultz

      I thought this stat was interesting:

      “Nearly 40% of all women earning engineering degrees quit the profession within the first few years of their career or never enter the field. Which, in combination with the low percentage entering the field in the first place, helps explain why it is estimated women represent only 11% of all practicing engineers in the United States.”

      https://www.pddnet.com/blog/2015/06/why-it-so-hard-hire-female-engineer

      That’s kinda huge.

  29. Derpetologist

    4 yr degree breakdown:

    ***
    Of the 1,870,000 bachelor’s degrees conferred in 2013–14, the greatest numbers of degrees were conferred in the fields of business (358,000), health professions and related programs (199,000), social sciences and history (173,000), psychology (117,000), biological and biomedical sciences (105,000), and education (99,000). At the master’s degree level, the greatest numbers of degrees were conferred in the fields of business (189,000), education (155,000), and health professions and related programs (97,000). At the doctor’s degree level, the greatest numbers of degrees were conferred in the fields of health professions and related programs (67,400), legal professions and studies (44,200), education (10,900), engineering (10,000), biological and biomedical sciences (8,300), psychology (6,600), and physical sciences and science technologies (5,800).
    ***

    40 yrs of degree trends in one graph
    http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2014/05/09/310114739/whats-your-major-four-decades-of-college-degrees-in-1-graph

    The main trend is the expansion of business degrees and the decline of education degrees.

    1. Gilmore

      The main trend is the expansion of business degrees a

      re: MBA’s

      i’ve worked in consulting and for investment banks. No one I’ve ever met thinks an MBA is worth shit. I’d guess the perceived value is even less now.

      1. Rhywun

        I’ve long assumed a “business” degree was just a sort of default “I graduated college” degree.

        1. Gilmore

          as an undergraduate degree, it pretty much is. I’d guess some people might see it as less signalling of ‘dull intelligence’ now because ….well, kids with BA’s could be anything from sober and intelligent, to screaming gender-studies lunatics. at least the word “business” signals that they are someone who wants to apply themselves to some practical purpose.

          1. Suthenboy

            My son has a business degree. I was not enthusiastic about him studying that, I was a STEM major. He is very smart so I wanted him to study a field that would polish that. I was never the ‘do as I say’ kind of parent so I encouraged him in whatever he wanted to do. I am glad I never said anything.

            He is 26 now, has his own business and brings in 20 – 30 K per month.

          2. Gilmore

            has his own business

            I think i probably mis-spoke when i suggested it was inherently less-valuable than some other sorts of degrees.

            my pov was from the POV of a corporation hiring kids fresh out the gate, where the only thing the degree implies is the level of intellectual ambition.

            If your aim is to run your own business, there’s probably no better thing to study. because its the most practically-oriented.

            If your aim is to work for a big corporation, its mostly a waste since all the stuff you’ll learn superficial bits about (e.g. accounting, operations management, finance, etc) are things there are entire departments full of already.

          3. Gilmore

            If you don’t mind me asking, what kind of business?

          4. Suthenboy

            If I told you you wouldn’t believe it at first, then after a little reflection you would have a ‘holy shit, of course’ moment.

            Also, I understood what you meant. There are two kinds of business degrees; the ones who cant do anything and just want a degree because daddy said so and the ones who are just getting their ticket stamped on their way to setting the world on fire.

          5. Gilmore

            If I told you you wouldn’t believe it at first, then after a little reflection you would have a ‘holy shit, of course’ moment.

            Ah. Porn.

          6. Playa Manhattan

            He’s said here before a few times.

            Owns a gym.

            But it COULD be a sex gym.

          7. Suthenboy

            Playa is correct. I think of him as a marriage counselor for trophy wives. Every time I walk in the place he and I are the only two males on the premises. The women dont know who I am and they treat me like I just walked into the women’s restroom. It must be a woman thing, no one is supposed to know they are there. I guess because then people know their asses are getting wider and their trophy days are slipping away.

            He has about 2500 sq ft and it stays packed. He has no openings for memberships. They go in and out in hourly rotations from 5am to 8pm at $100/mo.

            He has been rolling like that for two years now. It is incredible really.

          8. Playa Manhattan

            So it IS a sex gym.

          9. Suthenboy

            Yes.

      2. Derpetologist

        My view is that most jobs and social interactions in general revolve around lying and ass-kissing. This isn’t just my cynicism. My old boss at the plastic bag factory often boasted about how he got through college by telling the professors what they wanted to hear. He tried to sell me on his idea of success through kissing people’s asses and telling them it tastes like ice cream. I told him I see no point in tip-toeing through life just to arrive safely at death.

        We didn’t get along.

        1. AlmightyJB

          I think it happens a lot, I think a lot of people rise through the ranks that way. However, someone still has to get the job done. If you have the drive, the work ethic, and the willingness to learn (even if that means self learning), people are going to want to have you on their team. No ass kissing or lying required. Obviously you have to respect the politics of your situation just as you do with every other aspect of your life, but that doesn’t mean you have to sell your soul. I keep my head down, my nose to the grindstone, and kick ass and I get respect for it without any of that nonsense.

          1. Rhywun

            Same here. I don’t lie and I don’t kiss ass. I “wear my heart on my sleeve” and sometimes that confuses people when they see exactly what I think of them…

          2. AlmightyJB

            My heart is in a locked chest at the bottom of the ocean where it belongs.

          3. Suthenboy

            Same here. Under the Antarctic ice sheet.

          4. AlmightyJB

            I certainly have seen that where I work. Several people in Senior Management that I’ve worked with. Not sure if they got there through ass kissing, backstabbing, stealing credit, or from the fact that they look like barbie dolls, but it sure as shit had nothing to do with brains or competency.

      3. Tacit Rainbow

        For federal employees, and for state and local .gov employees, a requirement for advancement into supervisory positions is often an MBA/MBA-like degree, or sometimes just a “masters degree”.

        There’s a whole industry for churning out .gov and .mil “masters degrees”, often MBAs.

      4. Greg F

        No one I’ve ever met thinks an MBA is worth shit.

        My wife works in public housing where the director, with an MBA, has managed to burn through the 3/4 of a million dollars they had in reserve in 5 years. I cannot begin to describe how dumb this director is.

  30. Pan Zagloba

    The Spectator posts a review of Seventh Function of Language, a novel that seems designed for Heroic Mulatto.

    On 25 February 1980, Roland Barthes, the great French intellectual, was run over by a laundry van in Paris. He died from his injuries a month later. This book — Laurent Binet’s second novel — proposes that it was not an accident; that Barthes had just come from lunch with the Socialist candidate for the forthcoming French presidential elections, François Mitterrand, and that he was in possession of an extremely important document, one which gave detailed instructions on the seventh function of language.

    At more than one point, Herzog wonders if he is in a novel —‘a novel by an author unafraid of tackling clichés’. Binet has his cake and eats it, taking pleasure in mocking his intellectuals as well as treating their arguments seriously. So there is a great and intelligent interest in the novel about the uses of debate and argument; but you also get to see Michel Foucault caught masturbating over a poster of Mick Jagger. (Some of the philosophers Binet teases are still alive, and presumably only supreme tolerance or libel laws weighted in favour of free speech can have saved him from a legal pummelling.)

    Amazon won’t have it up till August, but it sounds like a fun Eco-style thriller, geared more towards idiots like me than Eco was.

    1. Gilmore

      Eco-style thriller

      i read this sentence before i read your excerpt and thought you meant “Environmental”.

      Umberto Eco. (name of the rose, foucaults pendulum, etc) Just so other people get it.

      Yes, that was exactly the impression i got when it was suggested as both “mocking intellectuals while taking their ideas seriously” I think Saul Bellow did that w/ things like Ravelstein.

    2. grrizzly

      A book like this can be published in the UK before it reaches America. Check Amazon UK.

      1. But Enough About Me

        Yep, “https://www.amazon.co.uk/7th-Function-Language-Laurent-Binet/dp/1910701580/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1494714822&sr=1-1&keywords=the+seventh+function+of+language”>it’s available there.

        1. But Enough About Me

          I have zero idea why that didn’t work; copied it straight from my HTML editor. Bizarre.

          1. But Enough About Me

            Concatenated the “href” bit for some reason. Huh.

  31. Pan Zagloba

    Also from The Spectator, sometime Reason contributor and my favorite British Leftist (sorry, Sargon), Brendan O’Neil blasts Labour proposal to outlaw unpaid internships.

    First, there’s the boundless self-pity, the historically illiterate comparison of 21st-century interns in a nice, peaceful country like Britain to people in the past who broke their backs for their masters. ‘Unpaid internships are a form of modern slavery’, said a headline in the Mirror once. Nick Cohen, bless him, calls it the ‘internship slave trade’. The campaign group Interns Anonymous calls interning ‘modern-day slavery’.
    I know we live in ahistorical times, but this takes the biscuit.

    I don’t buy it because I don’t think working-class people are queuing round the block to get into the media. Not because they can’t afford it, but because the press is now even more of a bubble than Westminster is, colonised by samey people from samey parts of Britain. It wasn’t unpaid internships that made the media like this — it was various huge political and educational shifts, which have made Britain more socially and culturally divided than it’s been in years. I would wager that it’s the culture, not the cost, of media life that turns off teens from Wakefield or Barking.

    1. AlmightyJB

      Dumb dumb dumb dumb

      1. Suthenboy

        Farewell. Fare. Well.

        Nope, thats not what I said when he left.

      2. Gilmore

        Any attempt to analyse, seriously, the things that were done by the Obama administration — or, as some see it, the things that merely happened under Obama, their authorship unclear or obscured — meets with confusion or even hostility. Obama, it has been made clear, is not to be judged by such earthly matters as industry or liberty or war and peace, but rather by how he made people feel; by what one author has described as ‘the profound shift in the American psyche’ he brought about. Obama’s impact is mental, not political; curative, not concrete. Even newspaper pieces on his legacy that include discussion of Obamacare and his decisions on the Middle East swiftly move back to the realm of character and emotion, to his grace and style and wisdom. His legacy is judged psychologically rather than politically.

        O’Neill gets it. I think if he makes an error here is in assuming that Obama is different than other political figures in this respect. He is, a little. More people had more invested in him. But i think politics-as-emotional-wish-fulfillment affects everyone.

        1. Ken Shultz

          That column is soooooooooooo racist.

  32. Derpetologist

    Random thoughts

    I think education could be much more efficient if it focused on what will be retained in the long term vs throwing as much knowledge at people and hoping it sticks. It appears that even after 12 or 16 years of school, people forget most of it.

    I think there was a Guido Sarducci joke about how he could teach you in 5 minutes what you’ll remember 5 years after graduating college.

    Given that, why not just teach a summarized form, since that has the best chance of being remembered?

    I really like the big picture. It’s my nature to summarize and simplify things and I get bored with details quickly. I tried reading the first Game of Thrones book, but I couldn’t get past the first page because there was a whole paragraph describing some chump’s gloves.

    1. Rhywun

      I love details, especially in a big thick novel full of them.

      But yeah, I’ve probably forgotten 90% of what I learned in high school – especially in math and science, which my school focused on.

      1. __Warren__

        Why do I need to know Python Golem’s Theorem?

        1. AlmightyJB

          To get to the next level and destroy Mog?

          1. __Warren__

            The Ferengi bartender on ST: DS9?

          2. AlmightyJB

            You mean the (((Ferengi))) bartender?

          3. John Titor

            No, that was Nog, and he was a filthy race traitor that joined Starfleet.

            /Huge nerd.

        2. Suthenboy

          “Why do I need to know Python Golem’s Theorem?”

          You dont. Not to remember it of course, but you should learn it. You should learn how to derive the equations for the conic sections. You should learn how electrical currents work. How cells divide and Mendelian genetics. The periodic table of elements and the electronic structures of the elements.

          You should learn these things because it teaches you how to think, how to structure logical arguments, how the parts of problems are connected to each other and thus solve them, even just how to tell a story.

          Look at the argle bargle bullshit that comes out of the mouths of SJWs and you wonder how they can be so absurd? They never learned how not to be.

          1. Suthenboy

            I left out darwinian evolution. Ooops. thats high on the list too.

      2. AlmightyJB

        I love details too. That’s why I prefer HD porn.

        1. LT_Fish

          Pages of furniture porn /cryptonomicon

      3. Derpetologist

        “I love details, especially in a big thick novel full of them.”

        Yesterday, I asked a guy about a big thick fantasy novel he was reading. The premise was interesting: a wandering Roman soldier who forgets everything when goes to sleep and can talk to gods and other supernatural creatures. He writes down everything that happens in a little notebook so he can function. So he’s on a quest to learn his true identity and cure his condition and he meets with gods who help him when he does various tasks. It sounded like the labors of Hercules to me.

        Anyway, I asked him if he got bored from slogging through all those details. Couldn’t the story be summarized in a few hundred words. He said he doesn’t read all the words, he just skips over the boring parts and spends more time on the parts he likes. I guess the hunt for interesting details is what he likes.

        I have tried to write fiction, but I never like the results because I always end up summarizing the story instead of writing it.

        1. Rhywun

          he just skips over the boring parts

          I’ve heard that from a few people and it baffles the hell out of me. How do you keep your place? How do you know you haven’t missed something?

          I do that all the time in non-fiction, sure. But in a story? It’s madness.

          1. I’ve watched crappy movies where I’ve fast-forwarded through things like musical numbers or fight scenes.

    2. Viking1865

      GoT annoyed the first time I tried to read it, because it introduces all the Starks and their household, plus King Robert and household in the first chapter. I couldn’t follow it.

      Then I watched the show’s first season, went back and read the book, and since I already knew the characters it went much smoother.

      1. __Warren__

        Watched the first episode, decided the show was utter crap and haven’t watched anymore. Nor am I going to bother to read any of it.

    3. AlmightyJB

      Yeah, I think breaking things up into certifications is the way to go. I also think the college requirements structure is outdated, especially considering the cost per credit today. Is it “nice” to learn about things outside your discipline? Of course, that’s why we have the internet which doesn’t add 50K to bill.

    4. I think there was a Guido Sarducci joke about how he could teach you in 5 minutes what you’ll remember 5 years after graduating college.

      I was a Russian major, so not true for me.

  33. __Warren__

    One day, one day, ONE DAY! Hillary will find her VOICE! And the Foundations of Patriarchy will CRUMBLE!

  34. Derpetologist

    More random thoughts

    Many people will do shitty things if they perceive a low risk of punishment. This is one of the main arguments given for the importance of religion- it discourages people from evil by convincing them they will not escape punishment.

    I wonder what the equivalent of religion would be in a society that never had it. My only conclusion is that it would basically be everyone spying on everyone.

    In a way, modern social media is taking the place of religion in discouraging bad behavior.

    I can see why religion is a universal phenomenon. Like money and language, it is a very useful fiction.

    1. __Warren__

      An assassin’s guild.

    2. Gilmore

      In a way, modern social media is taking the place of religion in discouraging bad behavior

      Or encouraging it.

      You’re exactly right that “risk of perceived punishment” is a huge thing that affects people’s behavior. The other, less talked about issue is “Shame”.

      I hear it very rarely discussed. But shame isn’t so much “punishment”, but rather the internalization of certain standards, which if you fall short of them, the only one to punish you is ‘you’. Religious shame is not the only kind.

      1. Suthenboy

        Yeah. I have had people present me with contrived moral dilemmas or ‘what would you do’ fictional situations.

        “But why not? C’mon man, no one would ever know!”

        “I would”

          1. Gilmore

            That’s guilt, though, not shame. =…… what others think (i.e., shame) …. vs. how one would feel about himself (i.e., guilt)

            Maybe that’s right. At least according to those definitions.

            But I’ve never thought of shame as being something elusively based on the opinions of others. I considered “shame” either an alternative form or subset of guilt which was connected to the concept of ‘dignity’, or self worth.

            e.g. , i would feel guilt for hurting someone i cared about, or causing unnecessary pain to someone, but not shame.

            (e.g. if i borrowed someone’s car and it was vandalized? i accidentally ran over someone’s dog?)

            I would feel shame if i behaved in a way that i privately believed violated my own sense of principle.

            the only example that pops into my mind except an early moment in my first job where i was basically instructed to lie to clients about the reasons for X product being delayed.

            No one anywhere in the company found the behavior at all odd or anything other than ‘normal business’, but i simply couldn’t stomach doing it, and finally told the boss i would not, and he would have to find someone else to do it. It did not benefit me at all, and no one else thought i was morally in the right for objecting, but it personally made me feel like a whore, so i wouldn’t do it.

            If your definitions (shame being “public guilt”) are more semantically accurate, maybe i need a different word.

    3. Suthenboy

      Well Derp, that is one of the aspects of religion that swayed me against it when I was a kid. It was painfully obvious to me that it was just about controlling people, something I naturally had an aversion to. I also didn’t understand the need for it. I was too young to realize that the majority of people WILL do whatever they think they can get away with. Rape, robbery and murder would be much more common if people didn’t have guns pointed at them.

      I know it now, but I dont get it, if you know what I mean.

    4. Ken Shultz

      “I wonder what the equivalent of religion would be in a society that never had it.”

      Since no society survived into the historical record without it, we might deduce that a society that never had religion can’t survive.

      So many of us have come to think of evolution as something that happens in our genes–for a couple of reasons. For one, the breakthroughs we’ve made in recent years in our ability to analyze genetic information means genetics is where the new data is coming from, it gets all the headlines, etc. The other reason is that talking about social changes and the advantages they confer smacks of social Darwinism, which is only less popular than . . . well, nothing is less popular, in academic circles or elsewhere, than social Darwinism.

      That being said, anthropologists study religion like they study language–as an evolutionary adaptation that conferred certain benefits. There’s no evidence that any society survived into the historical record without language, and we might deduce from this fact that if any society could exist without language, it probably couldn’t survive. And isn’t the burden of proof on those who believe in something for which there is no evidence in the natural world?

      Likewise, someone might argue that if any society could have survived into the historical record without religion, isn’t it reasonable to think it would have done so? By the same logic as with language, anyone who believes that a society could survive into the historical record without ever having religion would bear the burden of proof. Where’s the evidence for this theory?

      1. Brian

        “There’s no evidence that any society survived into the historical record without language, and we might deduce from this fact that if any society could exist without language, it probably couldn’t survive.”

        I think it’s a little more complicated than that. There is evidence of human-made tools with no discernible writing or language associated with them. I think it would be difficult to prove that every society had language.

        Similarly, I think it would be difficult to prove that every society had religion, too, (or, perhaps we’d need to define exactly what we mean by religion).

        I highly suspect that both language and religion are fairly common things people do, though.

        Are there records of non-religious societies perishing due to their lack of religion?

        If all historical writings of all societies show that they all had religion, then that really doesn’t tell us anything about the survivability of non-religious societies.

        1. Suthenboy

          It seems self evident that any social animal must have means of communicating with others of its kind, otherwise it wouldn’t be a social animal.

          Circular reasoning for the win.

          1. Ken Shultz

            Language and communication aren’t the same thing. Bees communicate with dancing. Bees do not have language.

            Anthropology holds that genus homo developed brains the way they did in no small part due to the development of language. They also hold that language developed the way it did to suit the homo brain.

            And, yeah, it could be that society requires religion to develop much like it depends on language. Whatever it is that makes society cohesive, helps people deal with death, etc. may depend on having had religion.

            There are no examples of societies surviving into the historical record without religion–certainly none of which I’m aware.
            Things are not true or false depending on whether they seem intuitive.

        2. Ken Shultz

          “Similarly, I think it would be difficult to prove that every society had religion, too.”

          No society survived into the historical record without religion.

          Go ahead and name the one that did.

          1. Brian

            That’s not what I said.

          2. Ken Shultz

            It’s what you wrote.

            You also wrote this:

            “If all historical writings of all societies show that they all had religion, then that really doesn’t tell us anything about the survivability of non-religious societies.”

            Anthropology has it that that language and religion both developed to accommodate the human brain–and that the brain grew and evolved as it did to accommodate the advantages conferred by both language and religion.

            I’d love to say I’m the Noble Prize laureate who discovered and found the support for all this stuff, but this is Anthro 101 (both physical and cultural)/Wikipedia stuff.

            From the WIki:

            “Robin Dunbar argues that the critical event in the evolution of the neocortex took place at the speciation of archaic homo sapiens about 500,000 years ago. His study indicates that only after the speciation event is the neocortex large enough to process complex social phenomena such as language and religion. The study is based on a regression analysis of neocortex size plotted against a number of social behaviors of living and extinct hominids.[10]

            Stephen Jay Gould suggests that religion may have grown out of evolutionary changes which favored larger brains as a means of cementing group coherence among savannah hunters, after that larger brain enabled reflection on the inevitability of personal mortality.”[11]

            —-“Evolutionary Origins of Religions”

            You can read a synopsis of some of Dunbar’s relevant work here:

            “Processing power limits social group size: computational evidence for the cognitive costs of sociality”

            http://rspb.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/280/1765/20131151

            Short version?

            No religion, no civilization.

            I often come across people on the web who seem to be proponents of what I call “supernatural atheism”. Somehow their atheism has no basis in the natural world. Their beliefs seem to be meme driven, or maybe it’s that they’re so used to “debating” Christian fundamentalists and creationists, that they don’t stop to think about the implications of what they’re saying.

            I’ve had similar arguments with people (some of them atheists!) about altruism arising naturally from evolution–as if that were impossible. Wasn’t that you the other day who seemed to be mystified by the idea that millions of individuals pursuing their own best interests outperform a unified society? Regardless, if altruism didn’t arise naturally from evolutionary pressures, that would be an excellent argument for the existence of God. Meanwhile, all the evidence seems to confirm that religion was a necessary ingredient in order for a society exist–much less for any particular society to survive into the historical record.

            P.S. No civilization survived into the historical record without religion.

          3. Ken Shultz

            Addendum:

            I suppose someone could argue that some “societies” survived into the historical record without religion in the form of chimpanzees or other lesser apes, but that isn’t what you were talking about was it? I don’t believe they have the neocortex for it, and that’s part of the point.

            Oh, but Neanderthals may have. There’s some dispute about the extent to which their “burials” represent ritual, but Paleolithic religion is a real thing.

            “Religious behaviour is thought[by whom?] to have emerged by the Upper Paleolithic, before 30,000 years ago at the latest,[1] but behavioral patterns such as burial rites that one might characterize as religious — or as ancestral to religious behaviour — reach back into the Middle Paleolithic, as early as 300,000 years ago, coinciding with the first appearance of Homo neanderthalensis and Homo sapiens.”

            Correlation doesn’t necessarily equal causation, but it’s consistent with Dunbar if religious ritual started about the same time that homo sapiens differentiated themselves in regards to the neocortex, right?

            Right.

          4. Brian

            That’s not what I wrote.

            I never limited my context to historically recorded history only.

            We know enough to know that history is incomplete.

          5. Ken Shultz

            Since when does an incomplete record limit the applicability of the scientific method?

            The scientific record is always incomplete. Science is built on that observation. You don’t need a citation for the problem of induction, do you?

            Yeah, science is limited by the available data, and that can lead us to question the relative certainty of scientific results–but there isn’t anything new about that here. That is always true.

            We have evidence of paleolithic religion and ritual.

            Dunbar provides evidence that the size of a society is limited by the size and development of the neocortex.

            We have evidence that our neocortex evolved as it did in response to the advantages given by language and religion.

            There is no evidence that a society survived into the historical record without religion.

            You don’t need me to put that all together for you, do you?

            You’re not Tulpa, right?

          6. Brian

            “We have evidence of paleolithic religion and ritual.

            Dunbar provides evidence that the size of a society is limited by the size and development of the neocortex.

            We have evidence that our neocortex evolved as it did in response to the advantages given by language and religion.

            There is no evidence that a society survived into the historical record without religion.”

            Here’s my point:
            1. We’ve uncovered buried Paleolithic people. I understand that scholars dispute whether or not there is religious meaning in that.

            2. Does this mean they all buried their dead? We know that burial isn’t the only way of dealing with corpses, so, at some point, multiple techniques would have developed. That’s an important question, since the act of burial greatly preserves the dead. Any society that buried their dead would more likely survive into the historical record. So, in terms of paleolithic man: does no religion mean no survival, or just no history? We don’t have the death records and burials of every paleolithic society.

            3. The capacity for language and religion does not imply the behavior of language or religion. My legs give me the capacity to dance, but I don’t.

            4. I’m sure our brains have evolved with language and religion, but “evolved with” is not the same as “can’t survive without.”

            “There is no evidence that a society survived into the historical record without religion.”
            Has there, truly, never been an atheist society? No town or village?

            Maybe that’s the issue: define “society” and “religion.”

          7. Brian

            Also, none of this has anything to say about the future, or possibilities.

            For example: no society survived without sex.

            Does that mean no society without sex can survive?

            We actually have the technology now such that people could reproduce without sex.

            Is it impossible?

            I wouldn’t go around saying that history shows us that societies without religion don’t survive. There are plenty of atheists, they seem totally functional, there are many societies with growing and growing atheist demographics. I’m not convinced that, at some point, their atheism will doom their society to failure because paleolithic people were buried.

            It’s awful close to an argument that “Nothing new ever happens.” If you’re willing to make “society” sufficiently small enough, I bet it already has.

          8. Ken Shultz

            “The capacity for language and religion does not imply the behavior of language or religion. My legs give me the capacity to dance, but I don’t.”

            Are you Tulpa?

            Are you a creationist? I’m certainly not certain you understand evolution.

            I’ve already cited this quote–along with an abstract of Dunbar’s study:

            “His study indicates that only after the speciation event is the neocortex large enough to process complex social phenomena such as language and religion. The study is based on a regression analysis of neocortex size plotted against a number of social behaviors of living and extinct hominids.[10]”

            Yes, the understanding is that the benefits of language and religion led to people being born with a larger and larger neocortex–and they benefited from those things. Yes, the use of language and religion was necessary in order for there to be benefits. Those things, religion and language, conferred advantages that competitors lacked. Those who could enjoy the advantages proliferated.

            Yes, we can infer use from the predominance of opposable thumbs. Their usefulness is why we evolved opposable thumbs. We evolved opposable thumbs because they were put to good use.

            If you’re not Tulpa, you and Tulpa should go bowling.

    5. Bob

      I took religion to be search for purpose in life. I mean if you want to define religion around controlling people’s behavior through a belief in moral and ethical rules than you can drop libertarianism into the same bucket.

    6. Playa Manhattan

      Um wut?

      Social media encourages incredibly bad, superficial, and shallow behavior. If your circle of friends on the internet disapproves of your behavior, you just find a new circle that accepts it.

      1. Suthenboy

        How is that different from church?

        1. Playa Manhattan

          It’s like church at the speed of light.

          30 years ago, we would have called it being a “drifter”; someone who wears out their welcome in one town could just move on, but the new town would view him with suspicion.

          It’s a lot easier to be a drifter now.

        2. Playa Manhattan

          Oh, and I get what you’re saying about church, but how many churches host websites glorifying drunken 3am bitch slapping, hair pulling, and food fights at Denny’s?

          If you aren’t familiar, please visit worldstarhiphop.com.

  35. Derpetologist

    News report of firefight in Vietnam in 1970
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89_3DgW_7mg

    Pretty much the whole war in a five minute story.

    A small group was dropped off in the middle of the jungle for a search and destroy mission. They didn’t find much. When they were heading back, they got ambushed. 1 American was wounded. No enemy dead recovered.

    1. Gilmore

      If you haven’t read it, get and read the book “Matterhorn” by Karl Marlantes

      it looks chunky but it reads very fast.

  36. AlmightyJB

    Collards simmering on stove.

    1. Hyperion

      Wifey makes a soup with those weeds named ‘caldo verde’. Good stuff.

    2. Suthenboy

      Bacon? Neck bones? Salt pork? Which part of the magical beast did she put in it?

      1. Hyperion

        Not sure you’re replying to me or JB, Suthen, but if I assume me, there’s potatoes and something, something, and something. Not sure if there’s pork or what meat. Have to ask.

        1. Suthenboy

          I was asking Almighty what his wife put in the collards. I am partial to mustard greens myself, but if there is enough suidae present I will eat collards. Also, cornbread.

          If I have been half clever or entertaining today I think that is about gone. I fell off of the wagon a couple of hours ago and I think I am now drunk.

          1. Playa Manhattan

            High five.

            First beer for me. Tri tip in the water bath. Time for a swim.

          2. AlmightyJB

            I’m considering breaking open a bottle of Woodford Reserve Ive had for a few weeks.

          3. Playa Manhattan

            I generally don’t drink liquor because it’s too easy to cross the line. Special occasions, sure. I fully plan on ruining a certain libertarian wedding next month.

            I did come across a 24 pack of Stone Original IPA at Costco. Haven’t had it in a while. Also a plus: cans. I don’t want to look like an alcoholic to my neighbors on trash day.

          4. AlmightyJB

            I usually don’t drink liquor either and I almost never drink at home. Just thinking about sipping a small one and maybe go out for tacos and brews after a shower. It’s craft week in Ohio this week so seems almost manditory.

          5. AlmightyJB

            Ended up going with some already opened BlackBerry moonshine and Sprite zero. Only had one can of the zero so going to have to go to next step soon.

          6. Gilmore

            I generally don’t drink liquor because it’s too easy to cross the line.

            if only someone had told me about this “line” thing, i’d have fewer scars, and more memories.

            *i find i am a very good drinker as long as i have beer in between my whiskey consumption. When i have made the mistake of “just drinking whiskey” all night, the night tends to end poorly.

          7. AlmightyJB

            Yeah, i used to drink a lot of liquor. Also woke up outside not remembering how I got there too many times.

          8. Also a plus: cans. I don’t want to look like an alcoholic to my neighbors on trash day.

            Drink wine. You won’t go through as many cans. Also, the neighbors will think you’re classier.

          9. Playa Manhattan

            Ted, can your trash compactor crush wine bottles?

          10. AlmightyJB

            Sauted onion, shallot, garlic in bacon grease along with 3 pieces of the crispy bacon chopped up. Added the wilted down the greens adding red pepper flakes, s&p. Added chicken stock and simmered covered 45 minutes until tender. Finished with apple cider vinegar at the end. Just ate it with some cornbread and was delish.

          11. AlmightyJB

            Oh, also used a little roasted garlic and paprika spice blend that we put on most all veggies.

          12. AlmightyJB

            I cooked the collards, wife made the cornbread which seemed to be missing something. Maybe could have used more sugar. I like mine kind of sweet.

          13. Hyperion

            Ah, sorry. Collards are wonderful in caldo verde. I just stopped drinking beer, still drinking, just mostly vodka/gin. Lost 2 kilos in a week.

          14. AlmightyJB

            “lost 2 Kilos in a week”

            So liquor making you forgetful huh

  37. Gilmore

    That O’Neil piece is the shit. Probably the only sane/sober thing i’ve read about Obama since he’s left office.

    1. Playa Manhattan

      Yeah, I bookmarked it.

      I don’t thing it’s going to go over very well when I decide to use it.

      1. The Elite Elite

        I might post that as a reply for the next time someone posts a “I miss Obama, he was sooooooo smart/wise/kind/awesome” post.

        1. Playa Manhattan

          You’re basically telling them that they need therapy.

          1. Suthenboy

            I dont think he would be wrong.

          2. The Elite Elite

            Do you think it might work?

          3. Playa Manhattan

            Sure it will, if your policy is the same as mine:

            I don’t ever unfriend people. I bait them into unfriending me.

          4. The Elite Elite

            Oh, I share a policy of never unfriending people. I’ve got one that will sometimes share the most insipid and asinine Democrat and Regressive crap, but I don’t unfriend her for it. Now, I wouldn’t say I try to get anyone to unfriend me, but I’m not afraid of posting and sharing stuff that I’m sure would trigger them if they ever actually read or watched any of it. If they want to be so petty as to unfriend me because I have a different political opinion, that’ll be on them.

          5. Playa Manhattan

            It happens.

            One of my close friends (I went to HS and College with her) posted some shit about how women’s uteruses are more regulated than guns. In California.

            I asked her if she had to lock her uterus in the trunk if she drove by a school or daycare. Unfriended.

            15 years of history, gone. Her problem, not mine. I feel sorry for her.

          6. The Elite Elite

            It’s amazing how petty some people can be over politics. It’s like a religion to many people. If you insult or speak badly about their favorite politicians it’s like you just cursed their god or made an attack on their religion.

  38. Hyperion

    Morning links? It’s afternoon!

    1. The Elite Elite

      Don’t worry. ZARDOZ will have links for us brutal this evening.

    2. Not an Economist

      I think we all agree it is Trump’s fault. This is just another in a long line of impeachable offenses committed by the man who makes Hitler look like a warm and kind man committed to Democracy.

  39. The Elite Elite

    *Brutals, stupid autocorrect.

  40. Juvenile Bluster

    (probably going to end up re-posting this in the afternoon/evening/nighttime links when they go up…)

    My mother lives in Weston, Florida, which is home to a pretty large Venezuelan ex-pat community. Was heading to help her with something and drove past a pretty good-sized protest by the Venezuelan ex-pat community. Plenty of “Venezuela Si Maduro No” posters as well as “SOS Venezuela”, which has been their rallying cry (you see it all over the place; on the back windows of cars, in signs in Venezuelan restaurants, and the like).

    When running into Mauro supporters here and there, I’ve often invited them to a meal, paid for by me, at a local Venezuelan restaurant if they told the ex-pats to their faces what they were saying online. For some reason I’ve had no takers.

    1. The Elite Elite

      They aren’t fans of Venezuelan cuisine, obviously.

    2. Suthenboy

      Drag the fucking commie pieces of shit down there anyway.

    3. Hyperion

      My wife had a class few years ago with several Venezuelans. They were pretty much in agreement that they wanted to hang Chavez from a lamp post, gut him, and strew his entrails about for the vermin to feed upon.

      1. Juvenile Bluster

        Having talked to a couple down here, I’m pretty sure they think what happened to Mussolini would be to good for either Chavez or Maduro.

        1. Juvenile Bluster

          *too good. Damn tipoz.

  41. Sinister hackers the Shadow Brokers are believed to have brought the NHS to its knees and crippled IT systems worldwide by using a spy weapon stolen from the US National Security Agency (NSA) to spread the ransomware bug known as WannaCry.

    No. The author of this ransomware wrote it to take advantage of the same vulnerability underlying an NSA exploit released by the Shadow Brokers. No one believes that the Shadow Brokers, widely assumed to be Russian intelligence, wrote some ransomware asking for $300.

    1. Gilmore

      No one believes that the Shadow Brokers, widely assumed to be Russian intelligence, wrote some ransomware asking for $300.

      I’m pretty sure that’s what everyone who reads the NYT/WaPo is currently being told

      1. I know you’re joking but I looked at the WaPo writeup (which is passable) and god, the comments:

        The group linked to this attack, Shadow brokers, is the Russian government.

        These are probably the very same hackers who broke into the Democratic server and assisted Donald Trump to pervert Democracy and get elected. They are working with a large group of Russian managed trolls generating misinformation and propaganda at places like here at WaPo

        Britains “Creaky” National Health Service. pathetic envy. America right wing bias press will never accept fact that in a first-class civilized sovereign state it is actually possible to provide all citizens or subjects with free first-world Health care, from the cradle to the grave and still remain prosporous.

        (Note: the WaPo piece also called the NHS “beloved”.)

        Trump loves hacking US IT systems and WIKILEAKS, the fact this is a result of hacked files from NSA should make him pleased as punch.

        At least it hit his pals the Russian’s systems too.

        The NSA caused the problem and the NSA can now help fix it. The Trump administration should require that the NSA track down the perpetrators and then pass the information to CIA Special Ops for the next step (or to the Russian police if the perpetrators are in Russia).

        The “Silk Road” investigation showed that Bitcoin transactions are traceable with a lot of effort. The NSA needs to step up to the task and do its part.

        Looks like the best way to treat such attacks is to eliminate Bitcoin.

        Besides the current criminal charges pending against Julian Assange, we need to add civil fines sufficient to reimburse everyone worldwide who has been impacted by WikiLeaks irresponsible revelation of NSA data.

        Also a lot of freetards in the comments.

        1. Tacit Rainbow

          So stupid they aren’t even wrong.

          My favorite (other than the Wikileaks ones you quote):

          The NSA caused the problem and the NSA can now help fix it.

          I think if the NSA wrote the protocol in question, it would have been a lot simpler.

        2. Viking1865

          Britains “Creaky” National Health Service. pathetic envy. America right wing bias press will never accept fact that in a first-class civilized sovereign state it is actually possible to provide all citizens or subjects with free first-world Health care, from the cradle to the grave and still remain prosporous.

          FREE HEALTHCARE FREE FREE FREE BECAUSE IF YOU PAY FOR IT WITH TAXES IT MAGICALLY DOENST COST ANYTHING!!!!! FRICKING TEATHUGLIKKKANS READ A BOOK.

          1. The Elite Elite

            Wait, if that’s the case, why do they constantly go on about how we spend more on military than the next 5 countries combined? Isn’t that military free?

        3. Viking1865

          we need to add civil fines sufficient to reimburse everyone worldwide who has been impacted by WikiLeaks irresponsible revelation of NSA data.

          What like, Her Highness needs to be compensated for all the lost opportunity for graft?

    2. Grumbletarian

      It’s because the NHS doesn’t have enough funding, and hasn’t for awhile.

      /prog

      1. Single-payer legal care.

        Because no lawyer does anything worth more than minimum wage.

  42. Derpetologist

    today’s obscure history lesson

    When the Allies were preparing a victory parade for the liberation of Paris, the consensus was that a French unit should be first, because feels. The problem was at the time most French units were about 40% Africans from French colonies. And since this was back when racism meant a bit more than a white guy wearing a sombrero on May 5th, there was a crisis. They ended up taking a French unit with the most whites and then replacing the non-whites with white soldiers from other units.

    It’s good to remember the the good guys were not saints.

  43. quincy

    They tried this with Gilmore’s avatar. There were no survivors.

  44. Derpetologist

    today’s obscure language trivia

    In medieval Cairo, the rule was that if you weren’t in the city by sunset, you had to sleep outside the gates, which sucked because of the weather. The only exception was for people bringing koosah (zucchini) to market because it zucchini spoils quickly. See if you guess what happened next.

    Well, soon enough traders started bribing the guards to let them in after sunset. A trader would bring his cart with the load under a cloth. He’d tell the guard he had zucchini. When the guard peeked under the cloth, he’d see onions or whatever and a small pile of money. The guard would pocket the money and yell “it’s zucchini, open the gate”.

    Today the word for zucchini in Egyptian Arabic means a shady situation or something fishy going on.

    1. Foreign types with the koosah pipes say way-oh way-oh, way-oh way oh

  45. Derpetologist

    Nobel Laureate in physics explains why he thinks global warming is a hoax
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXxHfb66ZgM

    My favorite part:
    from 1880 to 2013, the world population increased from 1.5 billion to 7 billion.
    for the same period, the average global temperature increased from 288K to 288.8K.

    So if people are causing global warming, how is it that such a huge increase in human activity caused such a small increase in temperature?

  46. Vhyrus

    Hopefully this hasn’t been posted yet. Your Saturday nut punch:

    State could start taxing Netflix, Spotify and other streaming services.

    http://www.al.com/business/index.ssf/2017/03/state_could_start_taxing_netfl.html

  47. peachy rex

    Hell, when the 2ieme Blindee was formed in Algeria, a lot of its units had to be reformed to be sufficiently “white” – which meant that the Free French who came back to help liberate France were substantially former Vichy, because the actual hard core there-from-the-beginning guys were mostly colonials.

  48. Tacit Rainbow

    Vulnerability Management Saturday

    The ransomware of the moment…am I screwed?

    At this point in time, just about every scanner can detect if your systems are vulnerable to MS17-010. But, maybe you didn’t pay the money for one.

    Metasploit’s auxilary/scanner/smb/smb_ms17_010 module will find vulnerable hosts, as will this guy’s Python port of that module.

    So,

    1. So, what?

      1. Tacit Rainbow

        I don’t even know. Sad, really.

  49. Derpetologist

    The only network TV show with a sympathetic conservative/libertarian character has been cancelled.
    https://heatst.com/culture-wars/abc-besieged-by-boycott-calls-as-uproar-intensifies-over-cancellation-of-conservative-tim-allens-hit-show/

    the best part
    ***
    ABC came under fire last year for its failed sitcom The Real O’Neals which cruelly mocked Irish Catholics. The hopelessly homophobic fictional Irish Catholic family in the sitcom had a statue of the Blessed Virgin above their toilet and made Jesus-shaped pancakes for breakfast. The executive producer of The Real O’Neals, Dan Savage, on whose life the sitcom was based, is known for his obscene sex advice column, and for gaming Google search results on conservative Christian Senator Rick Santorum so that the first search result for “Santorum” was a page defining the Senator’s name as “a frothy mixture of lubricant and fecal matter as an occasional byproduct of anal sex.” Savage also famously once tried to sicken conservative activist Gary Bauer by licking the door handle to his motel room.

    ABC also recently was fiercely criticized for mocking police and Middle America with its March gay rights miniseries When We Rise, which appeared to glorify the firebombing of police cars and overwhelmingly portrayed white, straight characters as ignorant, hateful rubes.

    Unlike The Last Man Standing, When We Rise was a catastrophic ratings bomb.
    ***

    1. People still watch network TV?

      1. Derpetologist

        Old people mainly. Ditto for cable news, which explains why all the commercials are for medicine and retirement planning.

    2. Fatty Bolger

      8 million viewers is great by today’s standards. There’s no way this was canceled for ratings.