Monday Afternoon Links

Happy Monday. Have some links.

I like this gossipy story just for this line: “One memory: Arianna Huffington explaining to me that, essentially, no one who wrote for the Huffington Post was paid; they depended on that. ‘Paying for writing is not our model,’ she said.”

This is going to upset the narrative. Another self-hating gay self-identifies as “conservative libertarian”, which being German, I assume means something we wouldn’t recognize as such.

I was initially conflicted about this. Then I read that the statues explicitly celebrated “white supremacy in the South” on the plaque, then I read that said plaque was removed in 1989 and a more broad dedication about learning lessons replaced it. Now I just see a bunch of scaremongers who wore masks and trained guns on anyone who wasn’t wearing a reflective vest while going about city business.

I prefer macrodosing myself.

Socialist Bro looks pissed.
Capitalism!

 

 

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304 responses to “Monday Afternoon Links”

  1. Pomp

    Poppy. We love you bae.

    1. Scruffy Nerfherder

      We love you too Poppy.

    2. F. Stupidity Jr.
    3. Playa Manhattan

      I am Pompey. I love fish balls.

      1. Pomp

        ^_____________^

  2. Private Chipperbot

    Jabrill Peppers has a diluted urine sample.

    I think any team taking a player without a position in the first round is nuts anyway.

    1. Pomp

      +, I like it. Another food post.

    2. Negroni Please

      taking someone who is not a lineman in the first round is nuts.

      1. +25 Aaron Rodgers.

        1. Negroni Please

          The staggering number of skill position busts in the NFL shows that no one knows if they’re getting Aaron Rodgers or Jamarcus Russell. Quality O-lineman and D-lineman generally have long careers, make a huge impact on the team, and are usually rated pretty accurately going into the draft. Go with a known commodity instead of gambling and trade for your skill players.

          1. Bobarian LMD

            Uhh, plenty of 1st round linemen are busts as well.

            My KC Chiefs have definitely picked more clunkers than Kings.

            Going back 20 years, only 2 first round OL/DL have ever went to the pro-bowl.

            Neil Smith and Dontari Poe.

            Oops missed one — Brandon Albert went once; probably shouldn’t have though.

          2. A Leap at the Wheel

            Eh, I think your OLBs are more linemen than not, and that would pull in Hali.

          3. Negroni Please

            http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2441018-which-positions-are-the-safest-riskiest-at-the-top-of-the-nfl-draft

            The bust rate is just as important as the pro bowl and all pro rate when evaluating. Looking at this data, at least, I stand by the O-line picks, but I admit that D-line is much riskier than I thought. So let’s amend that to O-line and Safety for the safest picks.

          4. Greg F

            What happens when you remove all the Cleveland Browns first round picks?

        2. Playa Manhattan

          Aaron Rodgers is dead to me.

    3. Brett L

      Is this guy to slow to be a safety and too small to be a LB?

      1. Juvenile Bluster

        Yep. That sometimes works (Thomas Davis had the same complaints coming out of college but ended up working for Carolina) but usually doesn’t.

      2. Private Chipperbot

        I think he’s going to be safety, but I’m not sure starting at a new position in pro football is a recipe for success.

      3. Playa Manhattan

        Yeah, especially with all of that water weight.

      4. Rasilio

        But if he was gay he’d be the only thing the media could talk about

    4. Pope Jimbo

      Pfft. Rookie mistake.

      Pros use The Whizzinator.

  3. Negroni Please

    Hugs with alt-text would get $3

  4. Juvenile Bluster

    I prefer macrodosing myself.

    Reminds me how shitty our drug laws are. Dealing with depression and generalized anxiety, studies say I’d be a whole lot better off if I could treat with marijuana and MDMA. Fuckity fucking fuck.

    1. Diane Reynolds

      Move to Washington or Colorado.

      1. DiegoF

        No reason to move to Colorado unless you are satisfied only with smoking weed. Wonderful, tolerant hippie paradise Colorado–the state that first had some dancing on the grave of the drug war–has some of the toughest drug laws in the country, including for drugs that are decidedly even **less** dangerous and have **more** theraputic potential than weed; they will put you in prison with a felony collar for having a single mushroom in your pocket.

        Despite everyone blathering on about how everyone has acknowledged that the drug war is a failure, what you have seen is **not** a change in attitudes toward either the legitimacy or even the **wisdom** of the government’s trying to stop you from putting pleasurable things in your body. What we have seen is one particular drug–marijuana–undergo a shift toward public **moral. Still not on that short list? Fuck off, then, **for your own good**. And fuck off young males of color getting harassed by the police; we’ll tell **you** how we wish to virtue signal, boy!

        Look at the hard **backwards** movement on nicotine-containing products not manufactured by Big Pharma (a fear undergirded by slavish devotion to the most blatant lies of establishment propaganda–you know, the folks who **totally blew** their credibility with young people **for all time** over the weed scaremongering); what previous moral hygiene movement wouldn’t have **killed** for the chance to make prohibitionism actually **cool** among young people the way it is now?

        Look at the incredibly slow progress (mixed with a bit of backsliding on BAC levels and the evil, demonic pre-mixing with caffeine) of alcohol.

        Look at the fresh moral panics–straight out of the 80s–over every new synthetic to hit suburban streets.

        And look at the mileage politicians of any ideological stripe get in this country from proclaiming that they will bring the full weight of the police drug war against methamphetamine and opioids. Because people are **dying** in this epidemic.

        Americans do not want their politicians to end the drug war. They want to smoke weed. And they want their politicians to give lip service to ending the drug war, in a show of ritual humility. Followed by the same damn show of **ritual prohibition**, the modern day public axing of moonshine casks, that they have wanted unwaveringly for a century to save their communities from these demonic scourges. It will take a sea change in attitude toward government, far more profound than anything we’ve seen a sign of so far, to end the drug war **as a whole**. Do young people seem like the future of that?

        1. F. Stupidity Jr.

          Americans do not want their politicians to end the drug war. They want to smoke weed.

          That’s it exactly.

          1. Hyperion

            Just like most conservatives who drink alcohol. They’ll defend that right all day, but they want the government to imprison other people for using their drug of choice. Hypocrite assholes.

          2. Hammercorps

            I know more than a few evangelicals who think that taking even a sip of alcohol dooms you to hell for eternity.

            More often then not they turn out to be former alcoholics.

          3. trshmnstr

            Most of the tea-totallers I know are boomers who have leftover sentiment from their parents/grandparents for the temperance movement. I’ve only met one evangelical guy who was a tea-totaller. He had an enormous stick up his ass about everything, though. Didn’t keep the rest of us (including the seminary-student group leader) from going out to get drinks after Bible study.

          4. trshmnstr

            I’ve only met one **non-boomer** evangelical guy who was a tea-totaller.

          5. DiegoF

            Makes perfect sense. They fear they need the rigidity of *becoming a new man* and a religion that considers the demon rum to be an affront to God, and of course the threat of that hellfire, to keep them on the straight and narrow.

            Just like ex-smokers are some of the biggest anti-smoking zealot assholes out there, and feel they need much the same extremism (and even better, not having to see anyone smoking those sweet sweet cigarettes anymore) to resist their cravings. Pathetic weaklings.

            Good news is for all of these there are those whose attitude instead is, **I** quit. I used to do it, then I determined it was not something I wanted to do anymore and so I stopped. It was hard, it was unpleasant, but it was my decision to make and I made it and anyone who can’t do it and take responsibility for themselves needs to sack it up and stop embarrassing the human race.

          6. Hammercorps

            Usually, these particular people are from the Baptist churches in the area. They’re pretty much elitist snobs when it comes to religion anyway, so not much of a surprise that they think anyone who drinks is a lost soul as well. (They’re the same ones who think that women wearing pants is an awful sin.)

          7. trshmnstr

            We went to one like that… the pastor made a joke about dancing being sinful, and we couldn’t tell if he was being serious about it being sinful or not.

          8. Hyperion

            “I know more than a few evangelicals who think that taking even a sip of alcohol dooms you to hell for eternity.”

            I grew up around those dickheads.

          9. trshmnstr

            I think you have to peel the onion back a little bit more than that. It’s a complete fear reaction on their part. They’re conditioned 24/7 to think that drugs are the cause of many societal ills.

          10. LT_Fish

            My folks are kinda strict with themselves on alcohol aside from special occasions, but I think a *big* part of it with my mom is being genetically predisposed to alcoholism after her dad had so many issues with it.

            I don’t really bring it up, but I don’t think they’d have much of a problem in general.

      2. Hyperion

        “Move to Washington or Colorado”

        So in those states you can use whatever drugs you want without any fear of the state coming down on you? Nope.

    2. Playa Manhattan

      I’d steer away from MDMA if you have genetic, chemical depression. It’s gonna get habit forming, and not in a good way.

      If it’s situational depression and you’re trying to work through some stuff, yeah, maybe.

      1. Juice

        I don’t see how it could be TOO habit forming. The hangover is lame AF.

        1. Playa Manhattan

          Psychologically, absolutely. Physically, not so much.

          I saw it a few times in college. Sad.

          If it were legal (which it should be), there would be time release formulations to avoid the crash/hangover, much like prescription racemic amphetamine salts.

        2. Hyperion

          I’ve always felt that the main cause of addiction is the fact that a person just wants to feel good or normal again. When that goes on long enough, you have yourself a hard to kick habit.

    3. Hyperion

      I had similar thoughts today when I heard yet another Democrat say something like ‘Everyone should support a woman’s right to choose what to do with her body and healthcare’.

      Oh yeah, slimeballs? Then state your unequivocal support for ending the war on drugs right now and stop the FDA from banning people’s choice to use whatever drugs they want to without FDA approval or a doctor’s prescription. Or STFU and rot in hell.

  5. Rufus the Monocled

    Not one link today for Joanie Cunningham?

    Very disappointed.

    Cupcakes deserved better.

    1. Bobarian LMD

      Is your ability to link somehow broken?

      Joanie loved Chachi.

      Chachi apparently loves anything with a pulse.

      1. Rufus the Monocled

        I DIDN’T FEEL LIKE IT.

      2. Not enough Canadian content for Rufus.

      3. And the following story at that site:

        Man sues saying Bose noise-cancelling headphones spied on him.

        I think Böse is a more appropriate name for the headphones.

    2. Hyperion

      Wait, what happened to Joanie?

      1. Hyperion

        Oh, damn, I didn’t know that. She was quite hot after she grew up. MILF.

  6. Worker and Parasite

    ‘Paying for writing is not our model

    That’s good since they’re certainly not getting anything that could be called writing.

    1. Brett L

      I was going to go for the old Soviet joke: “They pretend to pay us and we pretend to write.”

    2. Rick C-137

      Ha! Stole the words from my mouth

  7. Jefe Hayek

    Monday trek over to r/conspiracy

    I have never understood what the hell the jesuits are. Got a good quick summary link?

    The Jesuits are kind of a super Illuminati.

    1. Negroni Please

      They’re doing a REALLY bad job then. They’re not secret, they’re in charge of nothing, and they aren’t particularly wealthy. I guess if the Illuminati were actually a Catholic Teacher’s Union…

      1. kbolino

        they’re in charge of nothing

        They run a lot of schools. Depending on your perspective, that could put their influence anywhere between “practically irrelevant” to “insidiously poisoning the minds of our children”.

        1. John Titor

          Well, to be far, ‘insidiously poisoning the minds of our children’ was one of the reasons they were created in the first place (the Catholics’ version may be slightly more positive).

          1. Just Say’n

            Oh lord, the Jesuit Illuminati conspiracy is beyond ridiculous (I say this as someone who jokingly thinks that the Jesuits should be suppressed again). Everyone knows the Illuminati is just the shape shifting lizard people that control everything. Grow-up

          2. thrakkorzog

            Well, I think they should be suppressed, just to avoid another commie pope. Admittedly I haven’t really thought that through. After all, the Jesuits in the Vatican’s Astronomy department helped develop the Big Bang theory.

          3. Just Say’n

            True. The Jesuits have done a whole host of noble things, but so have the Dominicans

          4. Holger-da-Dane
          5. thrakkorzog

            OK, Jesuit Bukkake is a great punk band name.

          6. Heroic Mulatto

            ahem…Nukakke

          7. Holger-da-Dane

            HM, where is my Thursday Thiccakke?

          8. Heroic Mulatto

            Thicc Thursday has not been renewed for another season.

            You’re stuck with skinny white bitches, like Poppy.

          9. Time for Waif Wednesdays to swoop in for the kill.

          10. Jefe Hayek

            HM, who’s behind this decision? The Stone Cutters? The Jesuits? I demand answers

          11. But Enough About Me

            Thicc Thursday‘s being replaced by Zaftig Zundays with Zardoz™.

          12. Hammercorps

            Still down for Thinn Thursday.

      2. Jefe Hayek

        I’m not wading back through the muck to find the rest of his response, but it basically revolved around colleges, Yale and Skull and Bones, and the Gregorian calendar.

      3. John Titor

        And they kept getting horribly executed by the locals every time they even tried to take over.

        See: Japan, India, Canada…

      4. thrakkorzog
  8. Diane Reynolds

    “I did a little experiment,” says May, a 64-year-old psychotherapist in Marin County requesting anonymity. “It was this game on my iPad that I was kind of stuck on, and I noticed that whenever I was on day two of the microdosing [regimen], my performance was significantly better.”

    I do much better at Battlefield 1 when I’m slightly drunk.

    1. bacon-magic

      Any game – high. They were designed that way.

      1. Hyperion

        This is the main reason why I’m disappointed that we don’t have legal weed in MD. I haven’t played a video game high since the Atari 2600 days.

    2. robc

      I sucked at Darts until i started playing buzzed.

      At end of first pitcher, I would start dominating, peaking about end of 2nd. Then my skills would start going downhill.

      Berghoff Dark was my darts drink of choice.

      1. Playa Manhattan

        Same with golf. And women.

        There’s a backwards bending curve there. The trick is knowing what’s optimal, and then going way past that so you have a good time.

      2. DiegoF

        Alcohol, and its ability to steady your hand, is certainly the oldest known PED. Pro dart players regularly have a drink or two beforehand.

        That culture, however, is likely to change as the sport grows in acceptance and popularity and assimilates to the mainstream of international “sports culture.” Anyone who has competed internationally or for the NCAA knows that the list of forbidden substances specifically for **target sports** (alcohol and beta blockers) is damn near as long as the rest of the list! Testing for alcohol can very easily be implemented at the very lowest levels of competition, too, because it of course is far, far cheaper than testing for any other substance.

    3. Hyperion

      I tend to be better at FPS games until after a certain number of beers. I’m not sure of the exact point it stops improving my skills and starts getting worse. There is much more research to be done. This could take a really long time. Needz moar funding.

    4. Dude, me too! Sober as a judge and I get jittery. One martini in and it’s headshots from downtown.

  9. Just Say’n

    “I was initially conflicted about this.”

    That monument was incredibly offensive and ludicrous. David Duke hardest hit.

    1. Brett L

      And taking it down will help the racists claim that it wasn’t as bad as it really was.

      1. Just Say’n

        True, but glorifying it with a monument doesn’t help either. I’m not a big fan of re-writing history, but not every historical event deserves a monument

        1. Pomp

          Pave paradise, put up a parking lot. ♫♫♫

        2. Jefe Hayek

          This is pretty much where I fall on the issue. Public (that’s key here) glorification of explicitly racist/pro-slavery ideas is quite a bit different than going full Germany.

          1. Heroic Mulatto

            Ist Erbe, nicht Hass*!

            *Probably grammatically incorrect, but you get the idea.

        3. Brett L

          Thus my conflict. The cops treating it like there were going to be white hooded crackers swarming them with torches and pitchforks was a little overblown.

          1. Just Say’n

            I’m not defending the actions that the city government took to remove the statue. Far be it for me to ever praise the actions of any layer of government.

          2. Juice

            Especially the New Orleans city government. What a bunch of crooks. And I mean above and beyond the norm.

  10. I prefer macrodosing myself.

    As long as it’s not vitamin A.

    1. Rufus the Monocled

      Or Vitamin R.

      1. Mad Scientist

        Pshaw. There’s no such thing as too many Reese’s Peanutbutter Cups.

      2. DiegoF

        The most critical of the nutrients.
        (I have never understood why he wouldn’t just go with Vitamin D. But it certainly worked out well, and who am I to argue with genius?)

    2. Negroni Please

      +1 Polar Bear liver

      1. The first time I learned about hypervitaminosis A (ICD-10 code E67.0), it was polar explorers who had eaten their sled dogs.

        1. DiegoF

          Just one of the reasons modern supplements contain beta carotene instead, the stuff in vegetables your body turns into A. Worst thing carotenosis does is turn your nose, toes and fingers orange! Babies get it a lot, and it is just as adorable as it sounds.

          I got it myself back in the day. Imagine how much carrots a little **brown baby** would have to eat to turn his nose and fingers orange! I was a fucking fiend. **Really** rough withdrawal, too; my ma still talks about how much of a terror I was.

          1. Playa Manhattan

            Accumulation of carotenoids in your palms and soles is harmless, but it’s really fucking bad for your eyes. It can cause crystallization that’s not easily fixed.

          2. DiegoF

            Really? I have never heard of this before in my life! Where can I find more info?

          3. OneOut

            the internet ?

        2. OneOut

          it wasnt because they ate their dogs but it was because they ate the dogs livers.

          quite a few Western explorers learned not to eat bear liver by the same tried and true method.

          as much as I once loved Luby’s liver and onions LuAnne platter I now have it only once or twice a year.

          livers seem to be the repisitory of all that is not healty to eat.

          don’t eat livers of long living animals is my new mantra.

          1. Well, given the liver’s job, I suppose that makes sense. Says a guy who eats crabs, clams, and oysters.

    3. Pomp

      +, Soundest advice you will read today.

  11. kbolino

    Three other statues to Confederate Generals Robert E. Lee and P.G.T. Beauregard and Confederate States of America President Jefferson Davis will be removed in later days now that legal challenges have been overcome.

    Jefferson Davis doesn’t deserve a statue anywhere, and Lee is from Virginia, but Beauregard is actually from Louisiana. He went to fight for his state, it’s not like he was some foreign conqueror or despot. At least let them move the memorial to somewhere else in Lousiana.

    1. robc

      http://www.kentuckytourism.com/!userfiles/listingImages/large_129604117797915866.jpg?width=653&height=421&scale=down&crop=auto

      I drive by it whenever I go to visit the wife’s family.

      I have never stopped, but thought about stopping and doing a review for this site.

    2. Pope Jimbo

      In college a couple buddies and I would regularly go on fishing trips near the Nathan Bedford State Forest.

      Even back in the ’90s I was amazed that no one had tried to get the park renamed.

        1. thrakkorzog

          Well “The Yellow Rose of Texas” is practically the national anthem of Texas, and it’s about a hot mulatto woman who liberated Texas from Mexico.

          1. Heroic Mulatto

            They need to make a HBO miniseries about this.

          2. DiegoF

            I still remember that made for TV movie about Jefferson’s boo, starring Nick Nolte and Thandie Newton. When I went off to college I found out that Ms. Newton had been a…er, thing for all of us as younger boys. Nowadays a bunch of rich white preps would probably not admit to such a thing for fear of reprisal.

        2. Vhyrus

          It is not exactly uncommon or undocumented for outspoken white supremacists to have an affinity for women of the races they so adamantly denounce.

          1. thrakkorzog

            Strom Thurmond’s daughter concurs.

          2. DiegoF

            Interestingly enough, you would think given his mentality and the setting of 30s South Carolina with her as a family servant, that their meeting would have been all, “Come here, my fine Negro wench.” But that is not how it happened.

            Actually as you may know Mr. Thurmond was a health nut, wiping the floor with others in pushup contests as a very old man. He had been working out like a fiend, lifting and doing cardio, since his youth, back when almost no one did any such thing. And as future baby mama tells it, she would see him running in his short shorts with no shirt on and liked what she saw, and decided to go get it.

          3. Vhyrus

            If you think I’m racist you should talk to my girlfriend. Actually, you probably shouldn’t, but you get my gist.

            My other friends joke that she is obviously a victim of the brain transplant from Get Out.

          4. Heroic Mulatto

            Just hurry up and make more of me.

          5. Vhyrus

            I swear to god if this keyboard is ruined I’m billing you.

  12. Vhyrus

    Welcome to another installment of Vhyrus’s Afternoon music links. I hope this next piece leads you to a deeper love of music in general. Keep on keepin on out there, boppers!

    1. But if you really want a deeper love….

      1. thrakkorzog

        Jeez, I went through the 90’s with the promise that I wouldn’t have to hear any more hair metal.

        1. My first link isn’t hair metal, for what that’s worth.

          1. thrakkorzog

            The second link was Whitesnake though,

    2. Bobarian LMD

      Just how deep?

    3. It Stinks! /The Critic

  13. Just Say’n

    http://hotair.com/archives/2017/04/24/new-york-times-advocates-suppression-speech/

    NYT publishes opinion piece opposed to ‘free speech’. I read it and Hot Air summarizes it pretty well. Why should we listen to these people when they tout the importance of a ‘free press’, again?

    1. thom

      Exactly – the way they see it there is a right to a “free press”, which means, in their opinion, people like them who are “journalists”.

    2. Vhyrus

      Because they want the government to create a special class of licensed reporters, that they will naturally be a part of, so that they and only they can spread the ‘truth’ and crush anyone that doesn’t parrot the official narrative.

      there was a law being proposed by some lefty a few years back (I want to say Pelosi or Boxer but I cannot find the law right now) that would protect reporters from disclosing their anonymous sources. When pressed further, it was made very clear that the law was intended to only be applied to ‘legitimate reporters’ and not “Some 17 year old with a blog”.

      1. Mad Scientist

        There is just no way having the government decide who is and who isn’t a valid journalist would ever come back to bite them. CNN’s reporters will always be real reporters. Why, we’d have to elect someone like Donald Trump for that to change.

        1. Hammercorps

          What’s her tune now that The press and Trump are going at it like two horny bulls?

          1. Hyperion

            Should I feel bad for wishing that some people would just hurry up and bite the dust?

          2. Hammercorps

            Something something literally Hitler.

            If I’m being totally honest though, I can’t say I don’t share that sentiment.

  14. Private Chipperbot

    Trainz!

    BART takeover robbery: 40 to 60 teens swarm train, rob weekend riders

    1. Bernie Goetz would have shot them.

      1. Vhyrus

        Only in Cali. In AZ We would have to throw bodies out the windows to keep the train moving.

        1. mexican sharpshooter

          or in AZ we pack a sword.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRMNwq3ehFc

          See those hoodlums slapping that guy? Seriously, its like they don’t teach kids how to fight in public schools anymore.

          1. Vhyrus

            I found out he drowned in a boating accident last year. Crazy huh.

          2. mexican sharpshooter

            The Samurai or the guy getting beat down?

          3. mexican sharpshooter

            Crazy, indeed.

    2. Tonio

      If only the passengers could avail themselves of effective defensive technology.

    3. Tonio

      FTFA: Images of the perps cannot be shared publicly​ because the suspects appear to be minors.

      1. Vhyrus

        When you commit a modern day train heist you lose your ‘minors’ protection. At least that’s how it should be.

        1. Negroni Please

          when you commit a modern day train heist you should receive a modern day hanging

    4. thrakkorzog

      Congrats California, you want to go back to simpler time, and you’ve devolved into the wild west.

      1. Playa Manhattan

        Minus the gunfight, unfortunately.

    5. Drake

      The images cannot be shared publicly, she said, because the suspects appear to be minors.

      In other words. fuck-it, we won’t bother trying to catch the little bastards. It would probably be racist and white privilegy of us to not let them rob people.

      1. thrakkorzog

        And this how you get racist assumptions. They won’t show the pics because it is probably a bunch of black dudes. Since they refuse to show the pic of the actual criminals, we’re just stuck assuming it’s some black kids.

      2. Playa Manhattan

        Even if they do catch them, probation at best.

    6. Hyperion

      Well, I bet that has changed the Raiders minds from fleeing Oakland for the desert.

  15. Rufus the Monocled

    So. My brother in law was talking-to a GC from California the other day. He was telling him the insane hoops he has to go through to get a permit and claims it costs $80 000 to get one so he claims.

    How much here you wonder? $600.

    And we though that was a scam. How in the hell does California function?

    1. Diane Reynolds

      That doesn’t sound right, even for California. Maybe the $80,000 is the cost of becoming a certified GC in the state of california? I dunno. Just doesn’t seem accurate.

      1. Rufus the Monocled

        From I understand, just to get all the necessary tests (environmental etc.) and permits it ends up being that. I’ll have to reconfirm.

        He has a Canadian passport so he’s moved part of his projects here because it’s much MUCH MUCH easier to build here he alleges.

        1. Diane Reynolds

          CA has some of the strictest earthquake standards in the country. I know the training and certification for being a GC is probably pretty onerous.

      2. Caput Lupinum

        According to this, the test itself to get a license only costs a few hundred, depending on which one you are sitting for, but you could be required to post several bonds and take out insurance policies before you can take the exam. Looks like it could cost a few thousand for an independent contractor, but $80,000 seems to high. Maybe he was converting it to tyre dollars for Rufus, which would make it about $15,000 American.

        1. Diane Reynolds

          Tim Horton Bucks!

        2. Rufus the Monocled

          Just asked my BIL – he was told “Building permit’ in a part of Calif. but doesn’t know which part.

          Includes environmental impact study, hiring biologists, making sure you’re not building on or damaging Indian artifacts on and on.

          $80 000 confirmed.

          I have no idea.

    2. Bobarian LMD

      What makes you think that California functions?

      1. Diane Reynolds

        The Zombies aren’t swarming into the neighboring states by the millions yet.

        1. Bobarian LMD

          Hmmm… My zombie mother just moved to AZ, and most of the people there were like “Don’t bring none of the CA shit here, and we’ll get along fine.”

          1. Vhyrus

            We love Californians, just as long as they stop being Californians once they move here.

            Exhibit A:

            http://images.bigcartel.com/theme_images/6467361/notcalstickermarch09red.jpg?auto=format&fit=max&h=1000&w=1000

            Yes this is actually a thing.

          2. Worker and Parasite

            I haven’t seen that NotCal sticker before. The amount of NorCal/SoCal stickers around here is sickening.

          3. Playa Manhattan

            Why? Are you exactly in the middle?

      2. John Titor

        It hasn’t sunk into the sea as a tale of extreme hubris yet.

        1. Bobarian LMD

          Old joke… You know why CA hasn’t fell into the sea?

          Because Jersey suck so much.

      3. Hyperion

        It functions as a wealth removal machine.

    3. Playa Manhattan

      The cost of the permits is specific to the particular project.

      If it’s a commercial project in a liberal jurisdiction such as the CA Coastal Commission, yeah, it’s pretty fucking expensive.

  16. F. Stupidity Jr.

    OT: My fellow Texans, I’m headed west. Or I’m planning to, anyway – we’ll see if this works out.

    I live in Victoria, my 81-year old mom and soon to be 85-year old Alzheimer’s-stricken dad live two hours away, in San Antonio. My sisters live there too, but two of them have many kids at home. I figure it’s time to get over there to help out and, when disaster inevitably occurs, I don’t want to be in this position where I can’t get over there until Friday afternoon or whatever. So I’m gonna get myself in a position to be useful. If I can find work, that is. I don’t have much in the way of marketable skills, but I’m reliable, come in early, stay late, and give multiple shits about getting the job done well. I’ve been ordering parts for auto collision cases for four years; you’d think those parts would have got here by now.

    Anyway, if you knows a guy who knows a guy who needs a useful grunt, shoot me an email: 9ricardo AT outlook.com

    1. Diane Reynolds

      Anyway, if you knows a guy who knows a guy who needs a useful grunt

      Register on Grindr.

      1. Tonio

        So not helpful. But I LOLd.

        Good luck, Jr.

        1. F. Stupidity Jr.

          Thanks, Tonio. And to Diane-Paul…well, I kind of asked for that, didn’t I? So thank you too, I suppose.

          1. OneOut

            You didn’t ask for that at all.

            I recently finished a job for a lady who is a big muckety much for the Red McCombs Dealer Group.

            I can’t say that I can definately help you but if you have performed that job well for 4 years I can get your resume in front of people who hire body shop people.

            Check your email and spam box.

        2. Diane Reynolds

          When my comments start getting helpful, start getting worried.

    2. Negroni Please

      It certainly sounds like you have marketable skills you just need to learn how to market yourself. Learn HR buzzword language and spin your resume as Supply Chain Management or some such. Damn near everyone needs a quality person running logistics.

      1. Diane Reynolds

        Now that’s how you post a useful comment.

    3. thrakkorzog

      Sorry man, I feel for ya. I had to move from Austin back to Dallas when my dad had a stroke. I wish I could hook you up with a job, but that is way outside of where I know anybody.

    4. Playa Manhattan

      Email Sloopy. He might need a right hand man (no homo, probably).

    5. OneOut

      I might be able to help you.

      Let’s look into it.

      I’ll email you.

  17. Juvenile Bluster

    Texas police withheld recordings of their son’s death. Now they know why.

    There was, for example, the image of a Mesquite police officer standing with his foot on Graham’s head.

    There was the image of Graham in the backseat of the police cruiser, his hands and feet bound — yet also unseatbelted or otherwise restricted — in obvious distress, hurling himself about the car. And then the ghostly image of a police officer’s hand with a Taser stun gun appearing in the camera frame, shocking Graham on the leg.

    And then, pushing him on his back and shocking him again — this time directly, and apparently deliberately, in his testicles. And Graham screaming silently as the electric shock to his genitals appeared to be repeated.

    “A Taser was deployed in an effort to control decedent, prevent escape and prevent him from injuring himself,” the city stated in court documents, adding the officer had been aiming for Graham’s leg and it was dark.

    But “It makes no sense to hurt someone who’s already hurting himself,” said Jerry Staton, a former Austin police officer who trains police departments in use of force and who is consulting on the Dyers’s behalf. Police should have been better protecting Graham, not inflicting pain, he said.

    The videos of Graham as he was delivered to the jail also seemed at odds with the police department’s explanation of what occurred. According to the agency’s in-custody death report, upon arriving at the jail Graham had still needed to be placed in a special restraint chair “until the jail personnel noticed he was having labored breathing.”

    Yet the video the Dyers received from the FBI depicts Graham lying limp on the sally-port floor after being lifted out of the cruiser. As he tries to raise his head, one of the officers pushes it back to the ground.

    Records show it would be more than two hours before an ambulance was called. Larson said the case was never presented to a grand jury, and no officers were disciplined for their conduct.

    I’d say “and nothing else happened”, but y’all already know that.

    1. Vhyrus

      Literal nut punch of the day. Lets hook these pigs’ nuts to a car battery and see how long they last.

      1. Technically it was a nut-shock, not a nut-punch.

      2. Bobarian LMD

        To be effective, you really need to hook them up to the output from the coil.

        12V vice ~30-40KV?

    2. Stinky Wizzleteats

      Civilian review boards are sounding like a better idea every day. You can’t trust prosecutors or police management to do jack shit.

      1. Vhyrus

        I like the idea of a special court system made up of elected judges to hear and try cases involving police misconduct. They will be separate from the regular court so there will be no conflict of interest on either side.

        1. Juice

          Like prosecutors who are elected? They’re much fairer and more reasonable, right?

        2. ArchieBunker

          You lost me at “court system”. Glad someone’s shooting for answers though

          1. Vhyrus

            I mean I *guess* we could just put em up against a wall but that might become problematic eventually.

      2. thrakkorzog

        It’s not like grand juries are all that great at stopping prosecutorial misconduct.

      3. Hyperion

        “You can’t trust prosecutors or police management to do jack shit”

        Of course you can. You can trust them to protect their own self interest over anything else.

    3. Juice

      Damn. Tazed him literally in the crotch.

    4. Rufus the Monocled

      That was just an awful story.

      Retard cops should face justice.

      1. Holger-da-Dane

        I read that as “Real cops should fart juice”

        *Calls optometrist for appointment*

      2. Hyperion

        Well, as usual they probably will face justice. Not the justice you would face for similar behavior, mind you, but probably a paid vacation.

    5. Akira

      In my opinion, banning police unions (and all public sector unions) would be the single most effective way to cut down on police misconduct (other than going full an-cap private security).

      Maybe when police officers are found guilty of misconduct, the money paid to the victim’s family should come out of the police pension fund. That officer should also be fired, barred from ever serving in law enforcement or corrections again, and denied any and all pension benefits forever. No more slap on the wrist and “paid administrative leave” (e.g. paid vacation).

      Yea yea, I know, cops are hardly ever found guilty of anything, so this punishment would still rarely come into play, but if we’re going to have a state-run police force, they should have extremely strong incentives to behave, and they certainly shouldn’t have the protection of those perverse pubsec unions.

      1. Hyperion

        Public unions should be eliminated now, period. There’s no way that ever leads to anything except corruption and abuse.

  18. Stinky Wizzleteats

    From the Cato Institute-looks like the left were right all along-right wingers really are the problem and always have been. Makes me wonder just a bit what criteria they use to categorize terrorists as right wing or, conversely, motivated by Islam.

    https://www.cato.org/blog/gao-weighs-countering-violent-extremism

    1. John Titor

      Already covered a bit today, ‘right-wing’ in their example includes everything from white supremacists to sovereign citizens. Basically, slap all these groups together and broadly define everything as much as possible and you get that number. Of course, as I said earlier…

      What they’re actually arguing is that, even with their bullshit garbage data, that a population that makes up 1% of the American population is engaging in a quarter of the ‘violent extremist incidents’ over the past fifteen years. Whereas vague ‘right-wing’ groups, which make up, say, 40% of the population, are apparently only engaging in three times the incidents.

      It’s almost like there’s a massive difference in per capita incidents or something.

      1. Stinky Wizzleteats

        I figured it was horseshit but it’s disappointing to see Cato pushing it.

      2. Rufus the Monocled

        Glibertarians is right-wing.

        WE’RE ALL RIGHT-WING NOW.

        1. bacon-magic

          You are right Rufus.

        2. Hammercorps

          Shit, we’re nothing. We can’t even make it on Harvard’s list of fake news sites. Step up your game admins!

          1. Rufus the Monocled

            Harvard is giving out fake degrees.

    2. Gilmore

      Among the “Far-Right Extremist Terror Attacks” the GAO report lists is the 2015 Roseburg Oregon Shooting

      White supremacist shot and killed 9 at his community college – 10/1/2015
      Roseburg,Oregon
      Deaths = 9

      From the wiki on the event =

      Harper-Mercer first shot the assistant English professor at point-blank range. He allegedly asked two students for their religion, shooting them after they gave him a response.[5][9] Other witnesses said he asked if students were Christians, telling those who replied in the affirmative that they would go to heaven as he shot them, although one victim was agnostic[10] and another was pagan.[11] Some students were shot multiple times;[5][12] one woman was struck several times in the stomach while trying to close a classroom door.[13] One witness said he made a woman beg for her life before shooting her, shot another woman when she tried to reason with him,[14] and shot a third woman in the leg after she tried to defend herself with a desk.[9] One victim, Sarena Dawn Moore, was killed while trying to climb back into a wheelchair at his orders.[5][15]

      ….Harper-Mercer maintained several Internet accounts, including one in which he described himself as mixed race.[52][53][b]

    3. The Immaculate Trouser

      Any nationalist-oriented group is pinned as “right-wing”. For example, there are a fair number of “extremist” incidents involving Mexican, indigenous, or Puerto Rican nationalists — most of which have politics well to the left of anything in US politics. Since they are nationalists, however, they get pinned as “right-wing”.

      Suffice it to say, this report should hardly be persuasive to anyone.

  19. nightvalzin

    So last weekend I met some relatives I’d never met before, since one couple lives in America and the other spends their time in between Canada, America and Mexico. It was actually quite refreshing meeting them, especially the male relatives since they’re probably the first people I’ve met who I know and also don’t think Trump is the worst guy ever. They do admit his faults, but unlike the rest I’ve seen, at least give him a chance and credit where it’s due.

    1. Vhyrus

      There are plenty of people that see Trump for what he really is, and plenty of them that have elevated him to Ronald Reagan deity status already. My mother thinks he is the greatest living person on earth right now.

      1. John Titor

        If the progressives hadn’t thrown such a temper tantrum, I’d probably be way more worked up over the people I see talking about ‘remaining loyal to Trump’ every time he’s criticized (especially for things like, you know, not doing his election promises). It’s pretty disgusting and is starting to cement him partially as the Obama of the right.

        1. F. Stupidity Jr.

          “Those goddamn Democrats really did it this time, they went and elected a celebrity-in-chief! (beat) Where can we get one of those?”

        2. Vhyrus

          This is true, I get into fights quite frequently with my mom about it. I got into a BIG one over the Syria strike. It is still extremely early in his term so I am hoping that it is simply a case of him dealing with the learning curve of becoming president combined with the massive establishment push back against him. I am getting a little nervous though. My only solace is that if he does not keep his promises he will definitely be a 1 term president, provided the other candidate has his (or her) head at least halfway removed from their ass.

          1. F. Stupidity Jr.

            provided the other candidate has his (or her) head at least halfway removed from their ass.

            That’s asking a lot.

          2. John Titor

            Yeah, who’s the Democrat who fills that position right now? Jim Webb? Not going to happen.

          3. Hyperion

            Their next presidential candidate will be Hillary. Probably with Bernie or White Squaw as VP.

          4. Gilmore

            Their next presidential candidate will be Hillary

            nope. she’s done. so is bernie, and i suspect Warren is also never going to run.

            they really have zero on the bench. 2020 is going to be a shitshow, and i suspect the “hot ticket” is going to be someone from outside the normal political scene. like a CEO of a major company, or some media figure. Not anyone associated w/ mainstream democrats.

        3. Hammercorps

          I’m a little more worked up about it then usually, mostly because there’s basically no Progressives where I live but a metric fuckton of diehard Trump supporters. If it’s not that, it’s people who spend four years complaining about the president (regardless of which one) then just vote straight partisan because “We’ve got no choice.” I’m not sure which is more irritating.

      2. Stinky Wizzleteats

        Your mother’s a cuck, he’s better than Jesus and Gandhi combined times ten, and just 100 days in at that.

      3. Your mother obvious has never met me.

      4. stilljustcarol

        So far I’m okay with Trump. I’m hoping he does well and won’t be the least bit surprised if he sucks. But I can’t get over the people who literally worship him. I’ve got a co-worker that starts every conversation with “What about that Trump!” and then goes on to gush like a little school girl over every single thing Trump has done so far. That level of dedication scares the crap out of me. I have an old college friend that I’ve kept up with on Facebook and she thinks that Hillary is perfection personified. Some how she can justify ever single evil thing Hillary has ever done. I just don’t get it.

        1. John Titor

          Politician worship is so antithetical to most libertarians that there’s got to be something involving brain chemistry that causes it. Hell, I didn’t even like the worship around Ron Paul.

          1. OneOut

            It’s chlorine in the water.

            Yes it really is.

            There are scientific studies plus scientific consensus that prove it.

            Cholorine on the water makes people suffer in so many ways you can’t imagine.

            Don’t even get me started on Flouride.

        2. Hyperion

          I have to like him so far just for defeating that evil hag. I actually spent about a year liking Obama for the same reason. Let’s see how long Trump can go before I hate him also.

  20. Rick C-137

    Just finished my Corporate Hazmat training which included an ominous warning about breaking EPA rules. Ugh, what a bunch of tripe. Anything the EPA does the market could handle so much better

    1. Hyperion

      I actually had to watch a workplace thing today that is the first time I have ever seen a trigger warning. Not making this up. The very first screen in the thing contained a trigger warning. Guess if I was smarter I would have just screamed ‘I’m triggered and I feel unsafe!’ and would have gotten out of it. Duh! I have to think faster in the future.

  21. Juice

    Isn’t LSD already microdosed? It only takes about 100-200 micrograms to make you flip your wig.

    1. Hyperion

      The first time I ever saw it, it was a tiny tiny tablet named purple microdot. The guy who had it said ‘maybe we should just split this, it’s supposed to be really good’. And I laughed and said ‘you’re fucking crazy, what is this shit? This cannot do anything to us’. So we wound up taking one each. It did something, for real. I was wrong.

  22. Juice

    Is that a Freudian typo on the PJ Media link?

    5 Things I Learned White Teaching Kids About the American Civil War

    1. F. Stupidity Jr.

      I thought John was a lawyer, not a history teacher.

      1. F. Stupidity Jr.

        <a href="http://www.betterwritingskills.com/tip-w005.html&quot; title="Excuse me, an history teacher.” target=”_blank” >Excuse me, an history teacher.

        1. F. Stupidity Jr.

          …and that was some messed up tagging.

        2. thrakkorzog

          So I’ve got ask for ruling, Did he Gilmore the link?

          1. Drake

            Borderline – it’s a mess but does actually work.

  23. Gilmore

    File Under = “Two Can Play @ That Game”

    US general in Afghanistan suggests Russia arming the Taliban

    Setting aside the whole “Bizarro-Charlie Wilson’s War” stuff….

    …. wtf, it doesn’t even make sense. 1) we’ve been @ war in Afghanistan for how long? 16 years? and i don’t recall the Afgan Tban or any of the satellite-armies (hezb i islami gulbuddin, TTP, etc) ever having a problem getting things that go, “bang”. and 2) are we supposed to be like OMG SO NAUGHTY when this whole “Arming people who fight our enemies” thing is something the US does constantly, ranging from Syria to Libya to Somalia to Yemen to Ukraine etc etc.?

    I mean, i don’t see there being any upside for the Russians – give the jihadis guns and…what? more of the same shit we’ve seen for the last few decades? and didn’t we abandon that place anyway? and aren’t the Indians and the Pakistanis already going to arm the same people anyway? Am i sinking into one of these Judge Napolitano Question Asking Things? Oh shit.

    1. John Titor

      are we supposed to be like OMG SO NAUGHTY when this whole “Arming people who fight our enemies” thing is something the US does constantly

      The U.S. only arms moderates, not doubleplus ungood radicals.

      /Actual argument I’ve had.

      1. Vhyrus

        I hope your response was “Like Bin Laden?” before a righteous mic drop.

        1. John Titor

          I asked him to define moderates and got a response that basically framed any American supported rebel as a mix of Arabic Lawrence of Arabia and Malala Yousafzai. I then asked him how many child soldiers do they have to use before they’re ‘not moderates’ anymore (this guy was also a big Kony 2012 supporter).

        2. thrakkorzog

          And Saddam Hussein.

        3. Gilmore

          The US never armed bin laden

          Bin laden’s time in Afghanistan in the 1980s was short; his role while there was largely as a ‘financier’ himself, mostly helping run a conduit of charity money from the saudis to pakistan that helped finance Mujahedin activities; he himself rarely even had any direct contact with the Afghans, instead working with Pakistani ISI people who took the money off his hands and funneled it into the bigger pipeline. The US literally hardly knew he existed in the region and definitely had no interest giving him any money or guns because he and his rich arab buddies had no need of either, did zero of the actual fighting, and at best were just “tourists” to the war there.

          Bin Laden wasn’t even particularly radicalized until years after the Afghanistan war, when he was kicked out of Saudi Arabia for agitating against the regime. He only appeared on US radar when he was living in Sudan and was beginning to finance what became the early-beginnings of Al Q, and organizing his first terror attacks in the region.

      2. Gilmore

        The U.S. only arms moderates

        Yeah, about that….

    2. Playa Manhattan

      If true, it reflects poorly on us for letting the weapons in in the first place.

    3. Hyperion

      Makes no sense at all. Russians have their own terrorism problem. Of course it doesn’t make sense for the US to arm terrorists either, unless you’re Hillary or McCain.

  24. Drake

    I noticed German politics article on Handelsblatt Global.

    I’m guessing anyone not a full-on open-boarders global socialist is part of the Far Right in their opinion. Nothing about that lady seemed particularly radical.

    1. Gilmore

      anyone not a full-on open-boarders global socialist is part of the Far Right in their opinion.

      that’s pretty much what they said in so many words.

      unless you’re welcoming the tide of Arab/Afghan immigrants with open arms, you’re a far-right lunatic

      1. Heroic Mulatto

        This pretty much sums up my views:

        1. Gilmore

          That would be a really weird sight in Germany

        2. Vhyrus

          less scarf, pls.

        3. thrakkorzog

          If they looked like Mila Khalifa, they can crash at my place.

          1. Would she need to seek asylum for her ridiculous fake tits, too?

        4. Stinky Wizzleteats

          Almost perfect. If only she wasn’t missing her clitoris.

        5. Hyperion

          Needz moar nekked.

    2. bacon-magic

      You no nutting, Schultz Drake!

  25. The Late P Brooks

    DiegoF on April 24, 2017 at 3:57 pm

    No reason to move to Colorado unless you are satisfied only with smoking weed. et c

    It’s a good comment, but long-ish.

    This is why character limits (cough, cough- not namin’ no names) suck.

  26. mexican sharpshooter

    So, there are some people from DC that have been reviewing our IT guy for the past week or so. I keep getting requests for information simply because I’ve been reliable at providing it. Somebody asked me for a policy regarding a program that isn’t mine. I wrote back that this is not my program and the policy can be found with a simple search in the facility policy memo library. Just put in a relevant search term.

    It also amazes me how they can keep asking me for the same report, and I send it to them, only for the same people to ask me for the exact same report. Seriously, its like they don’t know I spend the last two hours of my day screwing around on the internet.

    //Opens closed door without knocking.
    “Hey man, I need the matrix.”

    “What matrix?”

    “The one that says you can have this key but not this one.”

    “I sent that that you on Friday.”

    “??Okay, can you go ahead and send that to me…??”

    I’m afraid of what the state would look like if the people in charge of running were reasonably competent.

    1. “It also amazes me how they can keep asking me for the same report, and I send it to them, only for the same people to ask me for the exact same report.”

      The TPS Report?

      1. mexican sharpshooter

        No, the Segregation of Duties report.

        Yup. Segregation. Way to be, VA.

          1. mexican sharpshooter

            Right. +1 the reference—I forget this place has like 6 rules.

            – Don’t mention Michael Hihn by name
            – Immediately recognize an obscure cultural reference
            – You’re probably Tulpa
            – Deep dish is not a rabbit hole you want to go down
            – FYTW
            – Mexicans, something, something…

    2. Juice

      “I sent that that you on Friday.”

      “??Okay, can you go ahead and send that to me…??”

      I would keep the conversation going without every giving it to them again.

      “Did you delete it?” [end email]

      Can you send it again?

      “What did you do with the last copy I sent you? Surely the document is still attached to the email I attached it to.” [end email]

      Can you send it?

      “I’ll bet if you look in your deleted email folder you’ll find it.” [end email]

      and on and on

      1. mexican sharpshooter

        I would, but the DC team is two doors down from me. They already threatened one guy by coming back with a warrant, so….

        1. Vhyrus

          If they came back at me with a warrant I would scoot back from my computer and say “have at ‘er, chief!” before pulling out my phone and playing games while they search.

  27. “no one who wrote for the Huffington Post was paid; they depended on that. ‘Paying for writing is not our model,’ she said.””

    She follows the same model as John Grisham’s publishers – pay people what they’re worth.

  28. JD

    BBC: Ontario to try giving poor a basic income

    The idea is popular with both progressives and libertarians alike because it has the potential to reduce poverty and cut out red tape.

    Free shit is libertarian in Canada now.

    1. Vhyrus

      The idea is popular with both progressives and libertarians alike because it has the potential to reduce poverty and cut out red tape.

      [citation fucking needed you lying cunt whore]

      1. Pan Zagloba

        Do you even Reason, bro?

      2. John Titor

        The Other Site’s an advocate for basic income, they runs stories on the test environments. Used to be based on Friedman’s logic of a more logical and efficient replacement to the welfare state but now it’s more just a ‘trendy libertarian’ social program.

        1. JD

          I assume this going to be funded through voluntary contributions, then.

        2. Juvenile Bluster

          I’ve long been an advocate of UBI based on Friedman’s system, as a total replacement for welfare. It’d be far more efficient and far cheaper in the long run.

          I know, unfortunately, that it would end up costing more, be a complete bureaucratic nightmare, and would be in addition to, instead of a replacement for, the welfare state.

        3. Hammercorps

          Pretty sure Friedman changed his views on it after it was tried and didn’t work.

          1. Hammercorps

            Oh, wait, it might have been the reverse income tax he changed his view on. I don’t recall him ever being in favor of a UBI.

          2. DiegoF

            He changed them, if I’m not mistaken, because it ended up being “implemented” as just another little benefit program that no one pays much attention to, as with the American EITC, rather than a revolution that was going to expand and replace the bureaucratic welfare state. As with tax withholding, Friedman was reminded that his economic genius counted for jack shit as political expertise.

        4. Vhyrus

          How is it any different from welfare? Because you can spend it on booze and hookers instead of only food? Unless this is not coming from other people’s taxes I don’t really see the difference.

          1. John Titor

            No massive costly bureaucracy required to keep the whole thing going, also means that there’s less incentive for a permanent class of welfare bureaucrats who will enrich themselves from the system and continue to push its expansion for its own benefit. That’s the theory anyway.

          2. DiegoF

            Yes. It’s better. This is a big cultural difference among people who might self-identify as being pro-liberty. Your average Tea Party Joe on the street is all, “Well, if they’re spending my money I am damn well going to be paternalistic about it! Libertarian economists, on the other hand, zealously reject this line of thinking and consider cash transfers to be preferable to any other economic intervention on behalf of the poor. And philosophically dedicated but economically lay libertarians run the gamut in between.

          3. Vhyrus

            I understand the concept in theory. However, I am just about 100% sure that what will happen is that the people will get their lump sum check, they will proceed to spend all of it in a month, and then they will promptly find the highest mountain they can and proceed to scream about how they have no money and their babies are starving to death. Some prog will come along to increase their money because we can’t have people STARVING! Repeat until there’s no money left.

          4. Hyperion

            “No massive costly bureaucracy required to keep the whole thing going”

            That’s the entire basis for my quasi support for a UBI. That and the fact that most people are too retarded to work in a future economy where dumb labor is not needed.

            But as many tell me, and I sort of have to agree, it would just be added to the welfare we already have, instead of that being removed.

          5. trshmnstr

            That and the fact that most people are too retarded to work in a future economy where dumb labor is not needed.

            Meh, reports of the end of menial labor are greatly overhyped. Sure, if public education doesn’t keep up, people will be poorly trained for the workforce, but the UBI is trash, no matter what technophilic utopia is envisioned.

            The inefficient machinations of government are the only thing standing between us and Soviet-style communism. Streamlining the wealth confiscation and redistribution process will embolden the commies to take it all the way. UBI is a guaranteed first stepping stone to 100% wealth confiscation.

      3. DiegoF

        The devil is in the details. Libertarians only like it as a potential *replacement* for bureaucratic welfare, as a second best to no intervention at all. Whether one thinks a particular proposal constitutes such within the contours of political debate is a judgment call. Heading off the recent calls for a $15 minimum wage by saying, “Why not an EITC hike instead?” for example, would be an unambiguous victory for economics even though it would be a “new” benefit.

        1. kbolino

          Heading off the recent calls for a $15 minimum wage by saying, “Why not an EITC hike instead?” for example, would be an unambiguous victory for economics even though it would be a “new” benefit.

          Since the first law of economics is scarcity, this is not a “victory for economics” at all. While an EITC hike might be better than a MW hike in certain ways (and worse in others), it’s still a reallocation of scarce resources away from productive use. The choice between the two is like the choice to pay the same bill from your checking account or your savings account. You might avoid some kind of short-term penalty, but you’re going to suffer the same in the end.

          1. DiegoF

            There is essentially no way in which a price control is better than a transfer. They are in no way equivalent. The social loss is strictly greater on the price control.

          2. kbolino

            If you rephrase transfer as an income control (taxes) or value control (debt), then you might see the equivalence. And how do you measure “social cost”?

          3. kbolino

            Maybe this will make my point clearer:

            If you raise MW to $15/hour, why is it bad? Employers have the same amount of money, but employments costs more, so employers won’t hire as many people because they can’t afford to.

            If you raise taxes or debt to pay for UBI, why is it bad? Employers have less money, but employment costs the same, so employers won’t hire as many people because they can’t afford to.

          4. kbolino

            I suppose the counter-theory is that UBI would lower the cost of employment, in part since it would eliminate the marginal rate problem (+ supply of labor) but that could be canceled out by greater aggregate consumption (+ demand for labor) and less incentive to work (− supply of labor).

    2. Glitterstorm

      What defines basic?

    3. Pan Zagloba

      And according to the article, they fuck it up

      Single adults will be given a yearly income of C$16,989, while couples will earn C$24,027, minus 50% of any income earned from a job.

      By allowing people to keep part of their earnings, the government hopes people will be encouraged to work and not rely solely on assistance.

      The whole fucking point is that Universal Income doesn’t prevent you from going out to do other work! FUUUUUUUU

      1. Vhyrus

        You we’re expecting… something else?

      2. DiegoF

        OK, well that is just fucking stupid. I will concede that. That is not UBI as most people talk about it; UBI is supposed to not be means tested.

        Of course means tested and non means tested benefits both have their hazards and disadvantages; in the case of means tested it’s mostly about the marginal tax rate. This in particular sounds like just almost a willfully stupid way of structuring things.

      3. jesse.in.mb

        Isn’t that more like Friedman’s reverse income tax proposal than a strict universal income?

        1. DiegoF

          Yes, an exceptionally poorly conceived one. The big distinction, regardless of what you *call* the program, is means tested versus not, the former of which saves a lot of money but gives the poor an enormous marginal tax rate. This just sounds like a bizarrely stupid way to structure means testing.

          1. kbolino

            To solve the “enormous marginal tax rate” problem, make the basic income taxable. If you pay the same tax whether you get $1 from the government or from a job, then your marginal tax rates are identical to the rate schedule.

          2. DiegoF

            Of course. The marginal tax rate problem comes with the means tested benefit, not the non means tested one. Maybe I should have made that clearer.

          3. kbolino

            I’m saying with the means-tested benefit, if you make the benefit taxable, then the marginal rate problem is reduced*. Although, if you wanted to keep the marginal rates reasonable (<50%), then you'd also need to keep the percentage of earned income that gets discounted from the basic income low (<30%).

            * = I originally said solved before I ran the numbers; it's definitely not solved.

          4. kbolino

            The numbers in my above post are based upon a rate schedule similar to that of the U.S. The only way to truly eliminate the marginal rate problem would be to have a UBI (no discount for earnings) with a flat tax (on all income). Then you pay the same marginal rate whether you make $1 or $1 million.

    4. DiegoF

      Also in the United States, and everywhere else in the world.

      Cash transfers have a long and distinguished history of support from libertarian economists, if perhaps not from the rank and file. Of course they would rather there be no wealth transfers, but simply writing the poor a check, rather than the current mess of bureaucratic, inefficient excuses for subsidizing others than the poor themselves, is a near-universal second choice. Finland has already been batting around the idea of moving toward this, to the universal applause of libertarian economists. If every call for a minimum wage, free pre-K, government housing, government health care, price controlled goods and services plus paternalistic measures to keep people from “wasting” them, etc., had been met with a simple, “Why not allow the market to work, and write the poor a check and let them make their own choices if you are so worried about them, then this country would be a much better place.

      Whether one should celebrate the introduction of a new benefit, over and above the present system, is of course more dubious. I am optimistic that it might be a good Trojan horse. No one I have ever met has been able to give me an answer that satisfied any third-party listeners for why shit like the minimum wage should not be replaced entirely by an EITC. We need to bring cash more into the spotlight, and more actively use it as a rebuttal to the bureaucratic welfare state.

      1. DiegoF

        *not sure I have proper up to date info about Finland and reaction.

      2. Raven Nation

        Here’s a Jan CNN story on Finland’s implementation of a pilot program (Warning: Auto Start video):
        http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/02/news/economy/finland-universal-basic-income/

      3. Akira

        “No one I have ever met has been able to give me an answer that satisfied any third-party listeners for why shit like the minimum wage should not be replaced entirely by an EITC.”

        The most common answer I’ve gotten is, “those corporations need to pay the rightful amount to their workers, though… I don’t like the idea that I’m paying more in taxes so that the corporations don’t have to give their workers a living wage!”

  29. Glitterstorm

    As a male feminist,

    I bought a fleshlight just to eat it out.

    1. mexican sharpshooter

      kinky.

    1. Hammercorps

      If only I’d stayed away from those C&C mods….

    2. Vhyrus

      When napster was the awesome wild west circa 1999-2001, I became quite the script kiddie on there and was able to do some wild shit like ddos people right off the internet, find their IP address and consequently their actual address, etc. Fun times.

    3. DiegoF

      Ooo! I know how America will react to this, in order to keep the kiddies away from being socialized into criminality! We are going to declare that activities that are essentially impossible to stop, and that probably shouldn’t be crimes in the first place (and thus are things that a young person of no real deficience of conscience is inclined to be willing to do), should be LEGALIZED–keeping kids of no deficience of conscience clearly away from contact with the criminal community!

      Right? Isn’t that how this kind of panic always resolves itself in America?

  30. FreeSociety

    Greetings and Salutations.

    1. Hammercorps

      Hi there, I’m Poppy.