Firearms Friday: Freedom Free For All

Originally I was going to post about my experience shooting my new Mossberg Shockwave that I got this week. Unfortunately, after buying $200 worth of ammo and driving 30 minutes out into the desert I find out that it’s closed to target shooters due to extreme fire hazard. I guess all those taxes I pay don’t actually mean they go and put the fires out. Not that I’m bitter or anything. Then I thought I would celebrate Independence day and make a post about the guns of the American Revolution. It turns out that’s actually a pretty boring topic overall, with one notable exception I’ll mention below. So, I’m phoning it in this week with a hodgepodge of random gun tidbits. Think of it like the evening links, but gun themed. ZARDOZ would be proud.

  • The new Tavor 7. Fuck to the Yes!

    The Hearing Protection Act is back! This time it’s called the SHUSH Act. That’s an acronym for Silencers Helping Us Save Hearing. I swear to god I picked the wrong line of work. No idea on the odds of this passing, but I sure hope it goes somewhere.

  • IWI announced they will be producing my favorite gun in 308. The new Tavor 7 will be 100% user reversible from right to left handed and be almost entirely ambidextrous. If this thing comes in at or below $2000 they are going to sell like ice water in hell.
  • Apparently the American Revolution was the birthplace of military sniping. Using Kentucky Long Rifles, American soldiers were able to pick off British officers from the treeline while the redcoats strutted around the open fields on horseback. There’s even one story of a particularly gifted individual making a kill shot from 400 yards, which quite frankly I would be hard pressed to do with a modern gun.
  • Speaking of snipers, no matter how tough you are, you aren’t as tough as this chick. I know I would have needed a new pair of depends after that.

One final thing I wanted to mention before I go. Someone mentioned this in the comments yesterday so I thought I would take a few minutes to tell you about the can cannon. It is an AR 15 upper receiver that attaches to any milspec lower and fires blanks. What good is a blank firing upper? By itself, it’s fucking useless. The can cannon, however, is designed to accept standard 12 ounce soda cans. It can launch these cans a phenomenal distance and they explode quite spectacularly at the end. It isn’t limited to cans, though. Tennis balls, apples, and just about anything you can cram into the sucker will launch when fired. They even make grappling hooks that load into the can cannon, for all your 80s ninja/mission impossible fantasies. Here’s a little demonstration video.

While these things look fun, they aren’t cheap. Right now they’re damn near $400 for the regular upper and almost $550 for the XL version. That’s a lot of scratch. I have some good news, though. If you want the fun of the can cannon but don’t have that kind of scratch, NCstar has you covered. For a mere $25 on Amazon you can pick up your very own golf ball launcher. This puppy will thread onto your AR barrel (or any barrel that uses AR threads) and let you drive those balls farther than Tiger Woods from 10 years ago. Just like with the can cannon, you can stuff whatever you want in there and see if it launches, but I would be a little more careful with this version. For one, there’s nothing stopping you from loading a live round instead of a blank, and that could cause some serious damage depending on what you have lodged in the launcher. The other issue is if something goes wrong and the gas can’t escape from the launcher it’s probably going to split your barrel, which will almost certainly wreck your day. Still, for 25 bucks you really can’t beat it, and in theory you can use it on any gun you want, not just ARs.

 

 

Comments

266 responses to “Firearms Friday: Freedom Free For All”

  1. Sun’s out, guns out.

    First?

    1. C. Anacreon

      So are these the afternoon links? Or just a thread for people to talk about guns?

      I was hoping there might be some discussion here at some point about , oh, I don’t know, stuff that happened at the G-20 today?

      1. DOOMco

        This is links.
        G20 antifa people have been chasing some reporters. they beat up a few.

      2. SugarFree

        These are the afternoon links.

      3. mexican sharpshooter

        Okay, here you go. Predictably, they rioted, tossed stuff, damaged property the way they always do.

  2. Yusef drives a Kia

    Second?

    1. Yusef drives a Kia

      CAN CANNON! FUCK YEAH!

      1. SugarFree

        Ah, there you are.

        It was Rufus that first did fuck you…

        Rufus the Monocled on March 19, 2017 at 12:48 pm (Edit)
        Fuck you.

        /This is standard.

        1. Tundra

          Sweet. I believe I was one of the accused. Nice to be vindicated.

          *clears throat*

          FUCK YOU, YUSEF!

  3. Worker and Parasite

    IWI announced they will be producing my favorite gun in 308. The new Tavor 7 will be 100% user reversible from right to left handed and be almost entirely ambidextrous. If this thing comes in at or below $2000 they are going to sell like ice water in hell.

    That looks… uncomfortable.

    1. Hell is supposed to be uncomfortable.

    2. Negroni Please

      What’s the point of a Tavor in .308? Seems like a big weight increase and the short barrel is going to leave a shitload of the .308’s energy fireballing out the front. I think the Tavor is awesome, but I’m not sure why I would want one in a larger caliber.

      1. Vhyrus

        It’s not a short barrel. Its a bullpup. It still has an 18 inch barrel.

        1. Negroni Please

          It looks like you CAN get it with 18″ but 16″ is standard. 18″ isn’t too bad. I could handle that.

          1. That’s what she said.

          2. Vhyrus

            The current 5.56 tavor is a 16 but from what I read the 308 is going to have an 18 inch barrel standard.

          3. A gun thread is one of the few threads that can’t be hijacked by a dirty joke, that’s how serious y’all are.

          4. I spoke too soon, see W&P below.

      2. mexican sharpshooter

        Its a .308 Bullpup that is NOT a Kel-Tec.

    3. Vhyrus

      It’s a bit different for the reload but if you’ve never shot a bullpup I highly recommend giving one a try. You’re in Phoenix right? I’ll let you shoot mine.

      1. Worker and Parasite

        I bet you say that to all the girls…

      2. Chipwooder

        Hell, I’ll fly to Phoenix. It’ll be a helluva lot cheaper than actually buying a Tavor.

        1. Vhyrus

          Sure we can have a glibertarians range day. Hopefully we can practice next to the local antifas. That’ll be fun.

          1. DOOMco

            I’m in.
            I think gun range week might beat a cruise ship.

          2. Vhyrus

            Since we were talking about the pirate hunting thing yesterday I don’t see why we can’t do both.

          3. {|}===[|}:;:;:;:;:;:;:>

            Name the time and place and I’m in.

          4. Vhyrus

            I wanna go do it out in the desert (phrasing!) but until it rains that’s not going to happen. Maybe next month.

          5. {|}===[|}:;:;:;:;:;:;:>

            Yea, I made the same mistake as you actually a couple weeks ago. Drive way the hell out past Maricopa only to find they’ve shut it all down.

          6. Vhyrus

            There is an open range in casa grande with private bays we could use. If we’re just screwing around that might work.

      3. Gustave Lytton

        Loved loved loved carrying a L85, especially with their much better sling than the one at the time on the M16. Wish someone would produce/import one for civilian use here.

        1. Vhyrus

          A Tavor would be very similar, with the notable exception that it actually works.

          1. Gustave Lytton

            Huh, well maybe I’ll have to give it a go. Only a little time on the L85 but it always went bang when I pulled the trigger. Or bangbangbangbangbang when the selector switch was fully rotated.

          2. Vhyrus

            Maybe it’s because we’re American but the L85 has a reputation on this side of the pond as being by far the worst standard issue military rifle in modern history.

          3. peachy rex

            My understanding is that it *was* ass until the krauts redesigned it; now it works fine. Then for an encore they fixed the M-16. (Ironically, their own gun… has issues.)

    4. BakedPenguin

      Damn, I hate that look for a gun. I get that it’s better ergonomically, but the bullpup design is ass for optics.

      Of course, even a half-ass user of that could probably kill me across a battlefield while I try to sight my AK, so I’m hoping for no civil war for a while..

      1. Bobarian LMD

        A bullpup is primarily so you can do ‘MP5’ type missions with full power ballistics. Shotguns, too.

        Not meant to have the full range of a battle rifle, but the .308 would probably still outshoot the AK.

      2. mexican sharpshooter

        Ergonomically they can be hit or miss. For me, a Steyr AUG feels fine just awkward to operate since I am used to the AR, but an FN P2000 is like shouldering a tuna.

    5. BakedPenguin

      It also looks like a goddamn Star Trek: Next Gen version of a gun meant to kill things.

    6. EvilSheldon

      Bullpups are the textbook definition of form overriding function. Looks badass, though.

  4. Drake

    Password Podesta thinks Trump should jeopardize our relations with a major world power because he got phished by somebody.

    1. Stinky Wizzleteats

      All those responses to one tweet?

      Trolling status: Successful.

  5. Stinky Wizzleteats

    I’d like to get a (((Tavor))) one day. Is the trigger as bad as I’ve heard?

    1. Vhyrus

      Not anymore. It’s not going to be holy shit awesome, but geissele makes drop in trigger packs that are that good if you have to have an amazing trigger.

      1. {|}===[|}:;:;:;:;:;:;:>

        Settle this for me. Geesel, Guys-lee, Jizzel. I’ve heard people use all three.

        1. EvilSheldon

          It’s Guys-Lee, according to Bill Geissele.

  6. Drake

    I like the Tavor but…

    Not a fan of the idea of a .308 with a 16″ barrel. i thought the idea of a bullpup was you could get a full-legnth barrel with a real long gun. Make a 20 -22″ barrel version available. Better yet, do it with 6.5 Creedmor.

    And I live in motherfucking New Jersey so why even bother looking.

    1. Negroni Please

      This. A 20″+ bullpup .308 is something I would purchase immediately

      1. Drake

        Here you go. Please review.

        http://www.gunbroker.com/item/665423742

        1. Negroni Please

          So close yet so far. Every experience I’ve had with kel-tec has been negative. I know people love them, but all I’ve ever seen, handled, or shot have been absolute pieces of shit.

          1. Drake

            Me too – that’s why I was trying to send out a scout.

          2. Zunalter

            Me too – that’s why I was trying to send out a scout meat shield.

            FTFY.

          3. But Enough About Me

            The Kel-Tec KSG looks badass and has a rep amongst Canadian firearms aficianados for shitting the bed at random, annoying intervals.

            Is it wrong to still want one?

          4. Vhyrus

            You’ll be pleased to know that it is not a canadian only phenomenon. Kel Tecs here are hit or miss as well.

            That being said, I very well still may buy one, especially if the prices keep dropping.

          5. But Enough About Me

            Er, “dropping”?

            **HEAVY SIGH**

            Somedays I hate living here.

          6. Somalian Road Corporation

            My P3AT has been reliable but from all the complaining I’ve heard over the years I guess I got lucky.

          7. Zunalter

            You always hear the complaining, not so much the “worked as intended”

    2. Stinky Wizzleteats

      Cheer up, maybe you can pick up one of these monstrosities.

      http://www.guns.com/review/gun-review-mossberg-464-spx-tactical-lever-action-30-30-video/

      1. Suthenboy

        *facepalm*

    3. EvilSheldon

      For general running around and blasting shit inside of 500 yards, I love my 16″ AR-10. I don’t think that the round gives up all that much in four inches of barrel, but the handling of the shorter barrel is much, much better.

    4. Vhyrus

      They make 18″ tavors in 5.56.

    5. Gray Ghost

      Turns out you don’t lose as much velocity with shorter barrel lengths as you’d think. See, e.g., http://rifleshooter.com/2014/12/308-winchester-7-62x51mm-nato-barrel-length-versus-velocity-28-to-16-5/

      At a certain point, I think you’re going to reach an inflection (The HK51K is probably on the “wrong” side of that barrel length/velocity curve, but on the right side of the fun curve), but for distances where you can ID bad guys, short barrels for .308 shouldn’t make much of a difference. Moreover, a short barrel through being stiffer may be even more accurate than a long barrel. One’s also much easier to get into and out of vehicles, wield while wearing armor, etc…

      6.5 Creed is a better choice, if you’re going to go to an AR-10 length action, and you want to thump people at distance, but then you’re probably looking for something a bit more accurate than the Tavor anyway.

  7. Who knew the Daughters of the American Revolution could be so woke?

    “The Olean [NY] Chapter of the Daughters of the American Revolution will dedicate a historical roadside marker in Lincoln Park on Monday commemorating the women’s suffrage movement and a rally held there more than a century ago.

    “The marker, endowed by the William Pomeroy Foundation, remembers the movement and, in particular, Harriot Stanton Blatch, who led the Liberty Torch Rally on July 23, 1915.”

    1. C. Anacreon

      Little known fact: On Ellis Island, they changed her name to Harriot Blatch from Harriet Beeyotch.

    2. Chipwooder

      Olean is the third circle of hell, according to my father who went to college there. Absolute middle of nowhere with hellacious winters.

      1. Old Man With Candy

        Olean is rural, incredibly pretty country, lots of shooters. And super cheap to live there. Stone’s throw from the Finger Lakes and the fabulous Letchworth. Winters are fine unless you’re a pussy.

        1. Rhywun

          God I miss a good winter (from Ro-cha-cha myself).

    3. Rhywun

      The region is suffragette central – Susan B., Elizabeth Cady, etc. so not surprised.

  8. John Titor

    Speaking of snipers, no matter how tough you are, you aren’t as tough as this chick.

    I am, however, smart enough not to wear a giant ‘shoot men’ hat.

    1. John Titor

      *Shoot me

      Apparently not smart enough to proofread though.

    2. Vhyrus

      Obviously it wasn’t big enough cause the goat fucker missed. I’d like to know if her shot connected though. It’s rare to see actual live footage of a sniper battle so I found that video awesome.

      1. John Titor

        Arabic militias are not known for their accuracy in general, but it’s still pretty stupid to give yourself an obvious cosmetic marker for no reason whatsoever. Guess the Kurdish sniping program or her superiors aren’t that great.

        1. Drop some sarcastic comments on their Twitter account – they’ll get the message.

        2. westernsloper

          I would think one would have to differentiate between the Syrian Kurds, and the Iraqi/Kurdistan Kurds. Those are different groups.

    3. Drake

      I’m not tough enough to ignore all my training and stick my gun barrel and head out a window.

    4. Trigger Hippie

      ‘giant ‘shoot men’ hat’

      ZARDOZ has merch now?!

      1. Grumbletarian

        Amanda Marcotte is racing for the copyright.

    5. JD

      I might have to Google a Kurdish women dating site…

    6. Gray Ghost

      I wonder whether the whole thing was staged.

      Then again, shit happens, and not like her silly hat was her only mistake there. At least she looked like she was using the sights, which puts her above most of her Abu Hajaar (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=roROL5KdXlw) opposition.

  9. John Titor

    Grown man fires guns for the first time in his life.

    Pretty good example of how difficult it is to convince non-gun owners of their utility. This guy is by no means anti-gun, far from it, he’s a massive military nerd, but you can see how nervous and off-put he initially is just holding it.

    1. Stinky Wizzleteats

      That’s an excellent YouTube channel there. It’s surprising he hadn’t shot a gun at some point prior to this.

      1. Juvenile Bluster

        I’ve never shot a pistol/handgun in my life. A few shotguns and a rifle, that’s it.

        1. Stinky Wizzleteats

          Handguns still make me a bit nervous and I shoot them all the time.

          1. Suthenboy

            17 y/o me – “This is my first chainsaw. I have used them before but tell me Mr. Salesman what is the biggest danger to watch out for?”

            Mr. Salesman – “Don’t worry. You wont get hurt. The only people that get hurt are professionals. They think they know what they are doing and they aint scared of the saw anymore.”

          2. Stinky Wizzleteats

            Chainsaws, now those are fucking dangerous.

        2. Vhyrus

          come to phoenix. Ill make a man out of you.

        3. Rhywun

          I’ve never even held a gun but am not against the idea at all. Curiously, I’ve dreamed of it, though.

    2. Drake

      I WANT a K31.

      I’m supposed to take a neighbor shooting for the first time this weekend. Unfortunately I don’t have anything nearly as cool as a K31.

      1. Vhyrus

        You live in Jersey… how you own anything at all is still a mystery.

        1. Drake

          With permission only…

          I actually might get out the old 6.5 Arisaka tomorrow. The ammo is too damn expensive but what the hell.

          1. Suthenboy

            No shit. I have one of those. Yeah, ammo is a bitch for that one. Do you have a matching bolt? A lot of those have mismatched bolts and dont headspace properly.

          2. Playa Manhattan

            Me too. Flower is ground off, though.

      2. BakedPenguin

        Amazing how many old guns are still relevant. The M1 was amazing, and while it’s militarily “obsolete”, it’s still a fucking good gun.

    3. Raston Bot

      whoa. house just up the hill from the targets/backstop?

      1. Vhyrus

        In all fairness you would have to be way way off to hit that house.

        1. Raston Bot

          i was thinking more ND. with some of the idiots at the ranges around me, i would not discount that from happening.

    4. Pan Zagloba

      People scoff at gamers, but shit like this can ease people into shooting.

      1. {|}===[|}:;:;:;:;:;:;:>

        Truefact: Airsoft is good practice for 3 gun.

        1. Vhyrus

          Airsoft is good practice for actual combat, really. You get used to people shooting at you and you learn how you react with a gun in your face. The ranges are 1/10 actual ranges but at least you get an idea.

        2. Vhyrus

          Oh my GOD. WE COULD GO PLAY AIRSOFT TOGETHER!!!

          *LITTLE GIRL SQUEALING*

        3. {|}===[|}:;:;:;:;:;:;:>

          Actually, if there was I glib Airsoft squad I think I could be convinced to break out my old gear.

          1. Vhyrus

            I think there are enough AZ to make this happen. It’s not shooting pirates but shooting little kids is definitely up there.

          2. {|}===[|}:;:;:;:;:;:;:>

            Which is half the fun! I just can do it alone you know… otherwise someone will call CPS. But hell, if I’ve got accomplices its plausible we’re there for the game! Now if I could just find someone who still sells red gas…

    5. Gray Ghost

      God, what a gorgeous country.

      As to your point, John, I often think that gun enthusiasts are their own worst enemy. We often make it incredibly opaque and nerve-racking for newbies to pick up what should be a very easy-to-understand hobby. “Point this tube towards that thing way over there and don’t point the tube at anything you want to keep around.”

    6. Pomp

      His lack of flinch is pretty impressive for a first time shooter.

  10. Chipping Pioneer

    Wife and I are looking at doing Pacific Crest Trail and Appalachian Trail. Not knowledgeable about handguns (only long guns). Suggestions on what to carry?

    Also, if LH could provide information on where to look out for STEVE SMITH, would be appreciated.

    1. Worker and Parasite

      Considering the states those two trails go through, both concealed and open carry seems fraught with legal problems.

      Also, probably completely unnecessary and just added weight you’ll despise after 2 weeks when you’re cutting every spare ounce from your gear.

    2. mexican sharpshooter

      Are you more worried about 4 legged critters or 2?

      1. Chipping Pioneer

        Both. Was also thinking flare gun, which might cover any likely situation.

        1. mexican sharpshooter

          Anything meant for 4 critters will handle two. If you’re into revolvers a standard .357 Mag like a Ruger GP100 or S&W 686 will probably suit you well. I’ve been on a revolver kick as of late though.

          1. mexican sharpshooter

            legs*, not critters.

          2. Chipping Pioneer

            Come to think of it, 6-legged critters will likely be the biggest problem. Any of your suggestions work on those?

          3. mexican sharpshooter

            Hell yeah!*

            *My attorney’s would like me to add, that I am not legally responsible for you taking my advice.

        2. SugarFree

          Flare gun is good. If you get into a Blair Witch situation you can just burn the entire fucking forest down.

          “If I go, I’m taking you with me, bitch!”

          1. Chipping Pioneer

            +1 in the flare gun column

          2. Number.6

            Fuck that shit. Go for one of these

          3. Chipping Pioneer

            Yeah, that chick’s voice was annoying as fuck.

    3. Drake

      Carry guns in the middle section states of the Application Trail would be a bad idea. Bear spray would be a better idea.

      1. Chipwooder

        Or a Ka-Bar

        1. Tundra

          Those are probably illegal there, too.

          1. Drake

            A lot less illegal – a scolding versus a long haul in prison.

      2. Bobarian LMD

        I’m not sure where the Application Trail is but it doesn’t sound very libertarian.

        /Ask for permission.

        1. Drake

          Starts in Georgia and ends in Maine – both generally cool with guns. But along the way you are in MD, NJ, NY, CT, and MA. I’m not sure what the feds think of concealed guns in the national parks either.

    4. Vhyrus

      As other people have said there are quite a few gun unfriendly states on both of those trails. Don’t plan on legally carrying anything in MD, CA, NJ, NY, CT, or MA.

    5. Chipping Pioneer

      Not to go all Hihn here, but … on a libertarian site where we’re supposed to be for freedom, civil liberties, and the 2A, there’s a number of people on here who are awfully afraid of local LEOs and gun laws (and park rangers?)

      I mean, if you carry concealed and keep it on the DL, and if the 4A applies, is there a real reason to worry?

      /somewhat naive Canuck

      1. Vhyrus

        There is a saying in the gun community: ‘concealed means concealed’. The problem is if you have to actually use your gun you’re almost certainly going to have to call the police, and even if you were 100% justified in shooting they can still nail your ass to the wall for carrying illegally, which almost always is a felony.

      2. I Had a similar thought when reading TLPB’s non threaded response below – You can carry your loaded firearm into Yellowstone, but not Yosemite.
        Seems like a rather un-libertarian use of the verb ‘can’.

        1. Vhyrus

          You can do both, but in one of them the Rangers *can* and *will* shove their arm up your ass if they find it.

          1. Oh I get that. I always bristle at the notion that sans government sanction one cannot do things. Call it one part “I don’t know, can you?” smartassery and one part “Fuck off!?, I need a permit to replace three rotten treads on my back porch steps? My ass!”

      3. Chipping Pioneer

        Also, disappointed no information about STEVE SMITH.

  11. Pope Jimbo

    Touching story about a dying Minnesoda man’s last request.

    Suck it Oregon.

    1. egould310

      Lou Reed is scheduled to play at the grand opening ceremony for that bridge. I wish I could make that concert.

  12. Pope Jimbo

    Don’t know if someone brought this up before, but Gov. Mumbles did something I actually sort of like.

    The governor called the news conference primarily to announce that he was sending a letter to top officials at the state’s Peace Officer Standards and Training (POST) board asking that a newly passed police training bill be named after Philando Castile.

    1. Tundra

      More training? A new law?

      How about we institute strict personal liability and call it a day?

  13. mexican sharpshooter

    So as I mentioned on Wednesday, I sold a gun for purposes of funding the purchase of another. Has anyone here fired one of the S&W Airweight revolvers?

    Not the J-Frame 640–that’s a good way to get carpal tunnel, I was thinking more along the lines of a S&W N-Frame 325 Either the PD model or the nightguard. I’m more interested in the Nightguard though. Supposedly they tend to be punishing to the shooter.

    1. EvilSheldon

      It’s a little weird, but I have an airweght J-frame in .22 Magnum that I dearly love. It’s laser-beam accurate and has zero recoil, and the .22 Magnum punches far above it’s weight in terminal effect.

      The only downside is that the trigger isn’t great, and there’s not much you can do to improve it.

      1. mexican sharpshooter

        That’s my issue with S&W in general, the triggers aren’t great unless you get something from PC. It’s like they want me to buy a Ruger.

      2. Vhyrus

        I know most people aren’t big on Kel Tec but my dad has a pmr 30 that he swears by. It is very accurate and very reliable and carries 30 rounds of 22 mag with a good trigger.

        1. Bobarian LMD

          I’ve heard some bad things about the PMR 30 ‘shooting itself out’. Problems with the rounds destabilizing, especially the early ones.

          Something to do with the barrel threading or round seating?

          I bought myself a retirement gift, a FiveseveN, which is wicked fun, and more accurate than I’m capable.

          1. Vhyrus

            The early ones had problems, but the new ones seem to be sorted out. My dad has a newer one.

          2. Bobarian LMD

            Yep, you made me go out and look, seems the early fluted barrels were the problem.

            Kel-Tec will refit any old ones and fixed the new.

        2. mexican sharpshooter

          Kel Tec has great designs that should be licensed to compotent manufacturers. Instead they are poorly executed in limited numbers, hence the less than positive reputation.

    2. Bobarian LMD

      I fired my brother’s air-weight, but that was in .38. Nice handling gun, not too punishing and pretty accurate for such a small gun.

    3. Sean

      I have the 642pc. It’s not that bad to shoot, but it’s not super comfortable either. I’m good for ~50 rounds per outing with it. It does make for a nice little carry gun though.

      Sorry, no experience with the 325.

    4. Suthenboy

      I am assuming someone named mexican sharpshooter is a reloader. Get the nightgaurd 44 special and load down a bit. If you cast I recommend wheel weights and a 240 grain bullet. Drop ’em out of the mold into a bucket of cold water. That makes them hard as a rock and they will penetrate like hell. Otherwise just buy some hard cast 240’s. Five grains of HP-38 will give you about 800 fps. That is plenty of punch for what that gun is made for and it wont kill your hand. Also that load doesnt create any fireball. The rubber grips on the gun really make a difference too.

      *I have a number of Airweight S&W but they are all J-frames in 38spl. Yeah, they are tough on the hand.

      1. mexican sharpshooter

        I don’t reload…I have no acceptable excuse.

        If I were to go up to .44 though I would definetely be getting the Super Redhawk. That beast will eat anything including those bear fucker loads Buffalo Bore sells.

  14. commodious spittoon

    Opted to treat myself tonight. Rather than buy my usual nameless rotgut, I bought nameless rotgut with a name. But it’s smooth and I’ve missed peaty scotch, and I’m not paying for Laphroaig.

    1. egould310

      Cheers! I’m sipping a Heineken poolside right now.

      1. Good Lord, man…my family came from the Netherlands, and none of us will look a Heineken in the face.

        1. But Enough About Me

          The spousal unit’s from The Netherlands, and I only drink Leffe Brune or any of the Belgians (a particular fave is Rodenbach Grand Cru, a sour). I agree with you about Heineken.

        2. Playa Manhattan

          Some people like the smell of skunk spray.

    2. Number.6

      It’s going to be a blended, made from two or more malts from Islay. Given there are only a few distilleries, you’re might be getting at least some Laphroiag in there, even if it’s only a 10- or 12-.

      However, my somewhat-well-informed inside track info says it’s probably a young Bowmore blended with Bruichladdich.

      Bruichladdich came back on line in 2007 so they’d have their first year’s whiskey sitting around with no brand awareness, so slapping at least some of it in a blended makes an awful lot of sense.

      1. commodious spittoon

        I’m a pig-ignorant cheap dumb idiot, but I like it. I bought the first run a couple years back when they were retailing at $25, and it’s gone up but the quality seems about the same. It’s the same cigarette butt backend I love about scotch.

        1. You know what is a really good Scotch? The one YOU like. Brand, price and all that doesn’t matter.

    3. Gray Ghost

      Their Shieldaig (SP?) line offers decent value. I actually like their Speyside version over the Islay, and I like Islays. The Spey has enough Island character to be interesting to me, if not a great Spey.

  15. Pope Jimbo

    OK, back to bashing Gov. Mumbles.

    There is a large lake (Mille Lacs) in Minnesoda just north of the Twin Cities. Has been an insanely good fishing lake forever. Then the natives pressed their treaty rights and started gill netting walleyes every spring. This has really disrupted fishing on the lake. There are severe size restrictions and smaller limits. A lot of part time fisherman have stopped making a trip there and the resort business is hurting. They just announced a few days ago that there will be a complete ban on taking any walleyes for the next 3 weeks. Definitely not good news if you own a resort and were getting a ton of cancelations from fishermen.

    Enter Gov. Mumbles. He gets a few of his pet reporters in and tells them that he tried to make a reservation at Mille Lacs and he couldn’t because they were all booked. See! Resorts are fine. No need to try to figure out how to manage the fishery on that lake better.

    If any of the reporters had even thought to google reservations on Mille Lacs, they would have been able to see that there are plenty of rooms available on the lake.

    The comments are pretty funny. They seem to be 100% mockery of Dayton.

    Carbon Bigfoot • a day ago
    He was mumbling so much when he tried to make the reservation, the motel clerks just gave up and said there were no rooms available.

    1. Tundra

      He is such a disingenuous fuck.

      Do you think we’ll ever see the proper management of Mille Lacs, Holiness? I haven’t been there for years – there are too many other, better options.

      1. Pope Jimbo

        Until someone sacks up and tells the tribe that they can have the casinos or the treaty rights, no they will never fix Mille Lacs.

        I was never a big Mille Lacs guy myself. Like you said, there are other options. Every few years I would go on a trip there (usually ice fishing) and would spend most of the time drinking. I’m also not a meat fisherman so I wasn’t necessarily put out by the size/catch restrictions (although if you aren’t going to fish walleyes for food, why try? They fight like shit).

    2. SugarFree

      We passed a hat around in the break room just for you, Jimbo.

      1. Pope Jimbo

        w00t!!!!!

        Unless saying something nice about Gov Mumbles is a real cat butting. Then I will grovel and apologize for my offenses.

        1. SugarFree

          No, this is just a special one-off butting just for you from us, the staff of Glibertarians.com.

          1. Pope Jimbo

            *sniff*

            I am going to put on my Warty lifting singlet and take a victory lap. Tundra you may want to put your kids down in the storm cellar if you don’t want them scarred.

      2. Tundra

        So is that approval, then?

        1. SugarFree

          No, he just asked for a little sparkle butt action and we decide to raise the funds to give it to him.

          https://glibertarians.com/2017/07/technical-difficulties/#comment-168599

          1. Tundra

            Awww. How thoughtful.

  16. Lachowsky

    So today I saw on my Facebook feed a post from the Local Police department. It was a list of about 50 names of people that all had warrants. The Local PD asked at the bottom of the page for any info on the whereabouts of any of the listed people. The post had a couple hundred comments from people all giving information to the police about what they knew about where someone is.

    This makes me sad. I’d imagine 95 percent of those people had warrants from being behind on payments for tickets and the like. I read the comments for awhile, but the cop sucking really disheartened me.

    1. Worker and Parasite

      We are a society of snitches.

      1. DOOMco

        ^FED^

      2. Lachowsky

        I know. If you see something, say something is alive and well. It just makes me sad. I would get in trouble as a child for telling on my siblings. I guess not everyone had that.

        1. Rhywun

          Brady Bunch had an episode where they mocked Cindy for snitching. That would be unthinkable today.

    2. Local TV news had a “how do our Heroes in Blue® protect their drug-sniffing dogs from that horrible super-strength heroin” story?

      Ending the morally wicked War on Drugs was not one of the ways.

    1. DOOMco

      yep, that looks like a fantastic representation of the 3 branches of the federal government. There’s no straw man there.

      1. wdalasio

        “Cause you picked him. I want a cool boss.”.

        Hmmm…and I’m absolutely sure that these folks’ interpretation of the presidency as the “boss” of Congress is going to remain lock solid now that Donald Trump is in office.

    2. commodious spittoon

      “They don’t even have cool ties!”

      Yep, checked out. Definite comedic potential, until I realize it’s American actors trying to make sense of American politics, which is like trying to get an infant to smear around chihuahua shit into something sensible.

      1. Fatty Bolger

        Yep. And it started out almost promising.

    3. Raston Bot

      if that’s their argument, then i think i know why they’re getting their asses handed to them.

      “this frightens AND arouses me”

      lol

      “i’m the boss of you and your body”

      LOL

      1. F. Stupidity Jr.

        “Our “gun ownership is men compensating for their inadequate penises” argument is so compelling, we’ll use the same logic on this video! And it’s got Chris Pine! We’re sure to win now, huzzah!”

        1. Pope Jimbo

          If that is true, this guy is going to have to buy a bigger gun next time.

    4. mexican sharpshooter

      It’s funny, but in a Courage the Cowardly Dog kind of way.

    5. I see wood chippers

      If Congress was their coworker, then the rest of the employees would be fairly evenly split between supporting, condemning, and not caring about everything he did. That microwave? The pyro who likes it might be paying Congress, yeah, but a third of the office would like it too and not pay anything. The money doesn’t matter.

  17. IntraveneousWoodChipper

    Just saw the new Spiderman movie. It was cute but at one point a woke character points out to her teacher that “the Washington monument was built by slaves”.

    They just can’t leave it alone can they?

    1. John Titor

      It’s also wrong. The Washington Monument was finished twenty years after the end of the American Civil War, and I’ve seen zero evidence or sources that prove that slaves were used in the construction before that.

      The White House on the other hand…

      1. IntraveneousWoodChipper

        Never let historical fact stand in the way of wokeness brah!

        Historicity aside it just makes me uncomfortable that not even comic book movies are safe from proggie virtue-signaling these days.

        I took my little cousins and I wonder sometimes how all these subtle little Marxian mini-commentaries affect their still-developing worldview, one movie at a time. It’s freaking creepy, man.

        1. F. Stupidity Jr.

          I wonder sometimes how all these subtle little Marxian mini-commentaries affect their still-developing worldview

          I don’t wonder. It’s how they beat the socons for the past 30 years. That’s why they’re freaking out about Trump; they’re not supposed to lose! They’ve got Hollywood, the mainstream media, education – how could people turn their backs on all of this wisdom??

        2. Pan Zagloba

          Ha! You should take a look over at Marvel Comics print branch and get yourself super-woke.

          1. John Titor

            Yeah, I was going to say “Dude, Thor’s a chick and Iron Man’s some black woke girl now, Marvel isn’t even drinking the kool-aid anymore, they’re mass producing it.”

            DC seems to have got their shit together a bit though.

          2. Vhyrus

            Which is sad cause marvel has (had?) the more interesting characters by far.

          3. John Titor
          4. {|}===[|}:;:;:;:;:;:;:>

            “I can make puppies appear anywhere!”

          5. Pan Zagloba

            Someone (many someones?) pointed out how counter-productive that is.

            “Hey, my kids love the Avengers movies! Captain America is their favorite!”

            “Well, he’s a Nazi now, and Falcon is Captain America”

            “OK, Thor…”

            “Lady.”

            “Iron Man?”

            “Teenage girl”

            “Who is not changed from the movies?”

            “Black Widow…but oh no, you DON’T want to have your kid read that!”

          6. F. Stupidity Jr.

            Razorfist: (paraphrasing) “So they name the new Iron Man after an 80s British metal band, and they don’t even use the one everyone fuckin’ knows!”

        3. Rhywun

          I read a lot of SF and practically every novel is full of subtle and sometimes not-so-subtle digs at KKKorporations and shit. It’s so fucking tiresome.

  18. The Late P Brooks

    I ordered a GSG .22 top end for my 1911 a while back. The magazines are a terrible fit. I don’t know what they were thinking, but the depth (nose of bullet to base of casing) of the magazine is way off, and they flop around so much one of them actually gets off the mag catch and falls out. So after considerable contemplation, today I whipped up a batch of J B Weld and bondoed up the back of one mag. When it cures, I’ll sand it back to proper dimensions and see how it works.

    So there.

    1. Suthenboy

      I tried that and had similar problems. I ended up buying a colt in .22 and then a Sig 1911 22. Holy crap that Sig…it has an aluminum slide and when you shoot it you can keep the sights on the target and watch the slide cycle at the same time. The Colt has a steel slide and when it chambers a round after you shoot it the heavy steel causes the gun to tip down.

  19. The Late P Brooks

    I’m not sure what the feds think of concealed guns in the national parks either.

    Conform to state law. You can carry your loaded firearm into Yellowstone, but not Yosemite.

  20. mexican sharpshooter

    Screw it. I’m going home.

  21. Pope Jimbo

    I don’t know what to make of this story.

    1) Holy shit, why would you actually confess to fucking a 14 year old on your application to the Mounties?
    2) Why would you be fucking kids from high school parties?
    3) I’m sure it would have been the same for any guy who had this happen.

    1. Suthenboy

      I had a MILF lay me when I was 14. It was fan-fuckin’tastic.

      *giant double thumbs up*

      1. {|}===[|}:;:;:;:;:;:;:>

        Where were these women when I was that young?

        1. Suthenboy

          On a pool table with me in Pineville, La apparently.

          1. Vhyrus

            Christ that made me cry and I wasn’t even part of it.

          2. Vhyrus

            Alternatively are you Finch from American Pie?

          3. Suthenboy

            Heh. This was…uh…35 years ago. Also, the felt on a pool table will give you one hell of a friction burn, or so I am told.

  22. Pope Jimbo

    Future Glibertarians? or future FL men?

    1. Suthenboy

      Yes

    2. “A Florida Glib…”

    1. BakedPenguin

      Fuck. Oops.

  23. {|}===[|}:;:;:;:;:;:;:>

    So, hypothetically, lets say I get me a fat lawyer moneycheck. What’s the hotness I should add to my armory as a present to myself? I’ve been kicking around the idea of a 5.7 or maybe ordering an Infinity.

    1. Vhyrus

      I would get a p90 if I had the money. Although a car does sound nice.

      1. {|}===[|}:;:;:;:;:;:;:>

        I was thinking more this kind of Infinity, otherwise I’d have just called it a Nissan.

        Not that I couldn’t use a car newer than the 90s.

        1. Vhyrus

          If you’re gonna spend that kind of cash you should get a wilson combat X9.

          https://www.wilsoncombat.com/edc-x9/

          1. EvilSheldon

            What he said.

    2. Akira

      I don’t know if you’re into old-school guns, but I’ve been dreaming about a Sharps rifle in .45-70 for several years.

      1. {|}===[|}:;:;:;:;:;:;:>

        AAAAAAaaactually…. that’s not a half bad idea. I like the Russian Schofield

        1. Akira

          Are you me?

          I’ve been checking out that bad boy, too. It looks like something an old West supervillian would carry.

          1. {|}===[|}:;:;:;:;:;:;:>

            I know right? I’m torn between it and the Le Mat, but I don’t think anyone has done a proper cartage conversion for it. That and it would probably be just horrible ergonomically in comparison.

        2. Suthenboy

          I have a number of Uberti’s and I LOVE them. All in 45LC but one which is in .357.

      2. Suthenboy

        Ahhhhhh. Akira scores a bullseye.

    3. mexican sharpshooter

      An Infinity? That must be one hell of a lawyer check, did you sue somebody because they didn’t have a {|}===[|}:;:;:;:;:;:;:> bathroom?

      1. {|}===[|}:;:;:;:;:;:;:>

        Would that I could. I’m more of a transaction guy.

    4. mexican sharpshooter

      How about a FiveseveN and an AR5.7 upper?

    5. I’d pay off any debt I had first.

      1. {|}===[|}:;:;:;:;:;:;:>

        What are you, my wife? Seriously though my only debt is what’s left of the mortgage I’m keeping for that sweet, sweet, tax break.

        1. There are no female libertarians….

          1. Sean

            My gf has read Heinlein and owns her own guns…close enough for me.

    6. Sean

      Sig Legion 226 sao.

      1. {|}===[|}:;:;:;:;:;:;:>

        Sonofabitch I’d forgotten! The trigger is amazing and I do regret selling my 226NSW… Thanks for all these suggestions.

    7. Suthenboy

      5.7 = centerfire 22 mag. It is a specialized round with fairly narrow purpose. Get something with cheap ammo available: 22 LR, .223, .308, 30-06, 38spl, 9 luger, 45 acp etc. That way y ou can buy bulk ammo and burn more gunpowder.

      Personal recommendations: Springfield M1A, Ruger Mini-14, Winchester 1894’s are fun as hell too in any caliber, any 1911 pistol, any Smith and Wesson revolver. I see some above complaining about Smith triggers. Buy a used, old Smith, the triggers on them are the best ever made. Why they started making crappy ones is beyond me.

      That’s just me. Yes, I am old.

      1. {|}===[|}:;:;:;:;:;:;:>

        I don’t actually own a .22 LR platform so that might be something for the list and, having recently had a chance to play with a Winchester lever action, I can say I am intrigued by lever guns if not for the difficulty in loading them.

        1. Suthenboy

          22LR lever guns usually have a top loading tube instead of the bottom loading with a spring plate, they are easier to load.

          Dont diss single action pistols and lever action rifles for being difficult to load. It actually makes your ammo last longer.

      2. {|}===[|}:;:;:;:;:;:;:>

        Also, can you even get bulk 30-06 anymore? I recall as I kid there was all kinds of hella cheap Turkish surplus from the war but I assume its all gone by now.

        1. Suthenboy

          I saw some not long ago, I cant remember where but it was about the same price as bulk .308. Oh wait, I do remember, it was Midway and it was in Garand clips.

          1. {|}===[|}:;:;:;:;:;:;:>

            All the more reason to pick up a Garand.

  24. Haybob

    Internet explodes after Pence touches flight hardware labeled do not touch.

    1. This is news?
    2. Did WaPo learn anything from CNN

    1. Vhyrus

      Thats the best thing ever.

    2. “‘Do not touch Willie.’ Good advice.”

      [turns up thermostat]

    3. Diane Reynolds

      This ‘internet explodes’ and ‘twitter storm’ reporting is becoming increasingly annoying. This is the first I’ve heard of it, and not only am I not hearing of it from the internet that’s exploding, I’m hearing from someone who’s telling me the explosion is happening… somewhere.

      I think what journalists mean when they say there’s an eruption or explosion on some topic is, all their journalist friends are talking about it.

      1. straffinrun

        Until it literally explodes, they need to stop using that. Then again, who’s going to give us the news after the world is destroyed?

      2. John Titor

        Yep. Mass confirmation bias. ‘Journalists’ now think that reading their Twitter is actually an investigation that provides a solid representation of the zeitgeist.

      3. Rhywun

        This ‘internet explodes’ and ‘twitter storm’ reporting is becoming increasingly annoying.

        I know! And it’s not like a giant Kardashian ass is involved or anything.

  25. Diane Reynolds

    Has anyone ever seen a fire started by target shooters, or are they afraid the target shooters are shooting at exploding targets… which I definitely get.

    1. {|}===[|}:;:;:;:;:;:;:>

      Maybe firing in the prone in very, very, dry grass… of course there is no grass here in the valley. Because, dry.

    2. leonadasiv

      Personally? No. But the Utah NG set a pretty big fire a few years ago from their machine gun range.

      1. Gustave Lytton

        Belt fed weapons will do that. Particularly the tracers in the mix.

    3. Suthenboy

      I started a fire once by shooting. I shot an car engine block that someone had tossed out in the woods with a 8×57 mauser. It drilled holes through the block and the metal shards were hot enough to ignite the oil inside the block. I ran around frantically for 20 minutes throwing handfuls of dirt on it until I got it extinguished. It seems very unlikely under normal circumstances but I could see it happening if you hit a rock or piece of metal.

      1. {|}===[|}:;:;:;:;:;:;:>

        That there, sir, is a solidly American redneck story.

      2. westernsloper

        Motherfucker that was you? That is where I keep my engine blocks. You owe me an engine block.

    4. Gray Ghost

      There’s always the Dragon’s Breath idiots. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gRKzMMPozs There’s another one of those floating around, which I my Google-fu is too weak to find now, where Tactical Timmy manages to set a large chunk of BLM sage on fire with the things.

      I think it’s just extreme paranoia on the behalf of the Forest Circus/BLM guys, and it’s only shooters, right? Probably start more fires with ATVs anyway.

  26. westernsloper

    Did anyone else just get thrown back to the hat and the hair mega post?

    1. westernsloper

      I am blaming it on following links after the shiny cat ass. Glib worm holes? Disregard. I blame SF.

      1. Pope Jimbo

        Don’t you dare try to rain on my parade. I don’t care if all of you are redirected to SF’s illustrated version of the hat and hair’s escapades, I want my Twinkle Tush Cat Butt!

    2. Akira

      I’d be pretty creeped out if that happened… Kind of like the time I was watching Blankman on a flash drive and it suddenly cut to The Shining (which was on the same drive).

  27. straffinrun

    The wound it seemed both sore and sad.

    I wish that would have been the teaser this article instead of the previous one.

  28. straffinrun

    Sarah Palin’s sneaky little dog whistle.

    Sarah Palin ✔ @SarahPalinUSA
    Trump Gives Speech to the People of Poland, Says 14 Words That Leave Americans Stunned http://fb.me/vfjqQSAg

    But “14 Words” is also the name Neo-Nazis give to their creed: “We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children.”

  29. westernsloper

    Re C. Anacreon’s post at the top of the links as it where. (Some of us get here late) but, I hope this is huge progress.

    The United States and Russia struck an agreement Friday on a cease-fire in southwest Syria, crowning President Donald Trump’s first meeting with Russian President Vladimir Putin

    (maybe covered before)

    1. straffinrun

      New links up.

    2. Gray Ghost

      Jaw-jaw is better than war-war.

      Though the US and Russia shooting at each other was never the problem there.

  30. Timeloose

    Based on the topic in this post I’ll leave this here

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R2I2mK_3_ns

  31. Jefe Hayek

    Thinking about getting a Henry .22. Need a decent squirrel gun.

  32. Tacit Rainbow

    I always miss the good gun threads. Oh well.

    I have an X Products Can Cannon. It is awesome. That’s all the contribution I got.

  33. bacon-magic

    Now I want a Tavor 7. Thanks. A lot. For real.